EP 86: Alasquatch

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We got someone or something crawling around
out here? Does a legend walk among

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us working in the forests of our
world? Did you see what it was?

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Was it a person or an animal? Or I can't go. All

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if I know is that my vener
light came on and I just happened to

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glimp and see this thing running across
the yard. A good side man or

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something works like a man. I
don't know what it was. For over

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fifteen years, we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators, and witnesses trying

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to gain insight and proof around the
existence of this mysterious entity. Jesus quite

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er, do you hello? Get
somebody out here? What's going on out

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There's got to avet of about four
I don't know, easy amount there.

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Yeah, I'm working writer. Oh
okay, hand on your y Yeah,

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I got you big? Okay?
What's he doing in your yard? Join

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us as we continue into the investigation
of the Sasquatch experience. You know,

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I still got to fix those opening
titles, Matt, your name is still

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not on them, so don't take
it personal. Oh not at all.

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I just got to get the I
just got to updated. Good evening,

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folks, Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. Monday, December eleventh, twenty twenty

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three, guys were getting towards the
end of the year, our eighty sixth

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episode with our special guest tonight,
our good friend Larry Beans Baxter. If

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you guys have been doing anything Bigfoot
related and following small town monsters, he's

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been all over this last season of
Beyond the Trail of Bigfoot Dark Coast,

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which is pretty it's been pretty spectacularly. It's been great. I've thoroughly enjoyed

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that. I love this kind of
long form expose they're doing into Alaska,

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the Last Frontier. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was quite an

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experience because we went out there with
the intense intent purpose of just spending as

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much time out there as we could, and in typical Alaska fashion, you

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know, the weather did not cooperate. It rained almost the entire time,

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so much so that by the end
I was starting to run out of dry

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clothes and we were I was I
was getting into a situation where I was

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like, I'm I'm gonna have to
start wearing wet stuff because I can't get

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stuff dry quick enough. But right, is there anything more uncomfortable than wearing

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wet clothes though, like I don't
think of many things, especially socks,

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wet sox and the little no seam
flies going in those are in the ass

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too. But yeah, we were
out there for fourteen days and then actually

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it was a little I was pretty
much out in the field the entire month

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of June because I spent the fourteen
days there. We spent the beginning of

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the month at the Boreo Bigfoot Expo
and Fairbanks, and we went out to

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Manley Hot Springs together, and then
after the fourteen days we rest and recruited

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a little bit here at my place, and then we went to my area

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here on the ken I Peninsula for
a little bit. So it was a

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it was an eventful month. It
was I pretty much did all my my

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squatching and one go I didn't really
go out much more after that. Well,

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you know, and I think it's
a great testament to some of the

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things we've talked about that one of
the problems that is pervasive in the field

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is that we don't get to spend
enough consistent time in an area. And

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one of the things I love the
most about this episos this little season series

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whatever we want to call it there, Larry, is that you guys got

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to spend the time. There were
some things you got to do and some

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things you didn't get to do.
The with the duck blind, with the

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thermal camera, right, some things
I would have loved doing seen, but

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understanding there's limitations. The blinds over
here in my corner just still in the

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box, unused. We just didn't
get a chance to get it out,

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and it was just too too wet
and it rained too much. It's something

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I mean, I'm definitely keeping it
in my in my pocket and we're gonna

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We're gonna try it again eventually.
I'm curious to see if maybe I can

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shoot thermal through and I think maybe
I can because it's just like a thin

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plastic blind. So that might be
something we try in the future where we

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just maybe leave it unmanned with maybe
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You definitely got to keep this informed
of that. I think the advantage

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you have there that we don't have
in the States in most parts is the

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traffic significantly less. You don't have
to worry I think of somebody stealing it

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as quickly as we would have to
worry about it here in the lower forty

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eight. Yeah, well, especially
out there. I mean, it's it's

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pretty hard to get out there unless
you've got a boat, and there's not

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really any reason to be out there
unless you own property out there, or

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maybe you're with fishing game or something. But it's not a lot of a

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will Smith. I was just I
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and you know, we've never you
know, there's been people that come into

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Bay occasionally and maybe they're fishing or
maybe looking for shelter from a storm,

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but you know, as far as
just being out in the woods walking around,

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people don't generally just disembark and head
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absolutely correct. And once you if
you check it out, go to YouTube

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and check out Small Town Monster's Dark
Coast. You'll see exactly what Larry's talking

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about. And it's not the only
documentary Larry's been. And I'll give you

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guys a little bio on Larry Beans
Baxter our guest tonight. If you're just

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joining us, I'm Sean Forker.
That's James Baker over to my left,

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Matt Arner over in the corner,
Henry May down on the bottom, vance

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Nesbitt in the middle square and then
of course Larry down all the way at

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the other bottom underneath Matt. That's
our panel for this evening. Larry is

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a military and law enforcement veteran passionate
about investigating the unexplained. He lives works

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in podcasts from Homer, Alaska,
and is available for travel and speaking engagements.

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Folks. If you'd like to book
him, get a hold of him.

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He runs the Last Squatch Podcast to
Lastquatchpodcast dot com all around good dude.

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This is his second time on our
program here at the Sasquatch Experience.

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We always love having Larry. Got
to hang out with him in Tennessee just

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a little bit at the Smoky Mountain
Bigfoot Conference JB and I and we're just

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glad you came back on with us, Larry, and continue this conversation.

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You got a lot more to talk
about with us this time. Yeah.

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Well, I really enjoy your guys'
show. It's one of the few that

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I listened to regularly and keep a
rest on. I really like the format,

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you know, and you guys are
very grounded and you bring up some

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good points and it reminds me of
the old school the Bigfoot show, and

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there's just not a lot of that
anymore, where a lot of the podcasts

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and YouTube shows out today are just
pretty much creepy pasta and scary stories.

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And that's good and that's cool.
But it's always nice to just sit back

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and have a serious, grounded discussion
every now and then. We really appreciate

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that, Larry. We do,
and we try. I mean, it's

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you know, the show's not for
everybody. If you like that kind of

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scary bump in the night stuff,
this isn't always that show. But I

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think what sets us apart is at
least the majority of us are researchers,

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or have researched, or do active
field work. Right, Matt and myself

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have a pretty local area. Matt's
been stomping all of Pennsylvania trying to find

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us a new place to really go
deep and investigate, because you have to

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without We're trying to kind of do
what you're doing in Alaska, but in

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Pennsylvania, and I'm sure you can
understand the population density and difference makes that

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a lot more challenging. But Matt's
doing a great job finding us some spots,

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Larry, But you know, we're
passionate about the subject. We care

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about, you know, the research
and and I guess that's why. You

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know, I enjoy having researchers such
as yourself on and I enjoy supporting and

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following small town monsters. And I've
watched the other documentaries you've been in the

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Search for the Port Chatham Harryman Bigfoot
Encounters in the PNW with Amy Boo,

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like those are really good. I
don't want to take anything away from the

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great documentaries as well aside from the
small Town Monsters, But you know,

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you're really showing through your research and
efforts. I think you're giving people this

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glimpse into an area very few of
us are ever going to get to experience,

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you know. Sadly, you know, not everybody can make it to

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Alaska, either financially, physically,
or even just have the time, because

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it's not a it's not an easy
place to get to, especially where you

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research. That's true. It's it's
a challenging place. It's not for everybody.

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You know. We have a lot
of people move up here and they

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don't usually make it through the first
winter. They'll you got to be there.

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You have to have a certain level
of self sufficiency up here. You

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have to be able to you know, shovel your your driveway or your walk

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or you know, you just you
just have to be prepared. And a

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lot of people get up here thinking
that a lot of the same infrastructure and

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and luxuries that they have where they
came from, they're going to have them

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up here, and that isn't always
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to say nothing of the fact,
the last time you were on our show,

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didn't a moose run through your yard? Yeah? I looked at my

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blind before we got started because I
was like, if it happens again,

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I want to be ready. Go
ahead, James, I'm sorry. Well,

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the Northwest is the same way.
I know that a lot of people

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look at that as the Homestead Act
and some of the places where they can

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get free land to do is that, you know whatever. But they don't

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realize also there's not a local convenience
store attached to so like you watch,

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I watch a lot of the off
the Grid shows, and they do some

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in Alaska, and they do some
in you know, some of these states

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where you know, there's not a
town for fifty miles. If there's an

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emergency, you better either have a
really good vehicle or know where the helicopter

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will end. And you know,
working in law enforcement, I got kind

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of a look behind the curtain to
a lot of that. You know,

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the state Troopers are in charge of
search and rescue for the state of Alaska,

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and you know, I was privy
to a lot of radio traffic where

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you know, the dispatch would call
the troopers and be like, hey,

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there's there's this person. They're stuck
on this mountain for with whatever problem and

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they can't get down, and the
trooper would be like the supervisor would be

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like, well, we can't get
anybody up there till you know, at

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least tomorrow afternoon, so tell them
to buckle down. And you know,

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logistically I understand why they did that, but at the same time, I'm

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like, think of that poor sap
that just called for help, and now

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they're going to get told you got
to wait. Because people don't usually call

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for help at the first sign of
distress. They wait till it's too late

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usually to call for help, and
then they get told, well, we're

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not coming. You know, you
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bit longer. Well, well,
I'll tell you, Larry, for one

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thing. It's an absolute pleasure to
have you on the podcast. We do

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have to we do have to get
you down for the STM Monster fests,

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so that that's like a must get
down there. That is awesome. Yeah,

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well, well we'll be there.
So by the way, we have

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a good burger place in that town
that that me and Seawan and James will

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take you. So but anyways,
with you mentioning about the search and rescue,

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have you heard any radio traffic through
the dispatch of anything having to do

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with you know, possibly a big
foot sighting, any other cryptology, cryptozoological

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you know, entities that were called
in through dispatch to either Alaska State State

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troopers or to local police. I
can't. I do have one bigfoot story,

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but I can't say I ever heard
the troopers get any calls related to

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that. Of course, you know, I could only we weren't on that.

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It was just a channel we could
scan and I didn't scan it all

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the time. But I don't I
don't remember ever hearing anything that could be

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cryptid related or you know, like, yeah, oh it's not a bear,

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but it's something. I don't remember
hearing anything like that. We did

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get a call one night, me
and my partner of a gentleman in a

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local campground here. It said Bigfoot
stole his potatoes. And he was one

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of our our frequent flyers that we
dealt with quite a bit, and he

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uh it was it was amazing because
we had this new dispatcher that had just

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got released out of training and was
on his own, and he was a

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really he was a sharp kid.
He was really, you know, really

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quick. So the guy calls up
and is like, I'm at the so

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and so campground and Bigfoot just stole
my potatoes. And this kid doesn't miss

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a beat. He goes, sir, did you see the beast? And

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so we uh, me and my
partner are head up there. This gentleman,

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you know, he's got a lot
of controlled substance issues, you know,

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he's got a lot going on.
Yeah, he was telling us about

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what happened, and I actually went
over and looked, and you know,

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it has been raining. The ground
was south there was no tracks or anything.

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This campground in the middle of town. It's not like it's like in

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the middle of nowhere. Yeah,
so you know, obviously we were pretty

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sure he wasn't telling telling the truth, and we ended up taking him in

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for a well wellness check and holding
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But yeah, that's the only bigfoot
related call that I ever And while

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we're at the hospital, he keeps
telling me. He starts telling my partner

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I've seen I've seen bigfoot in Idaho
and you know, Florida and Montana,

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and he like names off like four
or five states and my partner, my

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partner says, well, you need
to start carrying a camera, dude.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Yeah, right, I'm sorry.

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I don't mean to laugh at you
know, people that say, oh,

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I've seen it, because you weren't
there. You don't know if he actually

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saw something or not. But it
sounds a bit of forty eight states.

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You know, you might still questioning
a little bit. You know, I

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saw him in Nebraska. Yeah sure, God man, it was in my

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ramen the other day. But looks
just like it. Larry, as you've

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gone through the law enforcement military,
was this assquatch something you always kept on

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the forefront of your mind or was
it something that eventually you came into going

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to some of these areas. I've
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it's always kind of been in the
back of my mind. And I can't

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say, you know, when I
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that, because we went to some
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geez, what's the other one up
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can't say that I ever heard or
saw anything that really made me think Bigfoot.

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Of course, those are areas where
you know, the soldiers are always

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going. They always have the exercises
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so, about the same time of
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Like the animals knew that they were
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all these soldiers to come in,
so if they were around, they probably

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made themselves scarce. I do remember
we were, you know, hurry up

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and wait. We were sitting around
waiting to go move to our site and

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set up. And about this big
long line of convoy, this convoy of

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humviyes, and everybody's just kind of
sitting on their hood and just kind of

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waiting to hear what's going on.
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start howling just ooh, and all
these all these city kids that have never

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been out in the woods, they
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shutting the doors. And that's great, Yeah, but that is kind of

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kind of a human nature reaction for
those that do not spend a whole lot

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of time in the vast wilderness or
even in forest lands. And you hear

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a common animal start spouting off,
whether it's a mating call or it's just

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pissed off, you tend to get
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your spine and in gonna go seek
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when we were in Washington, I
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and you know, I'm like,
I'm like, oh, you know bears

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whatever, you know, moves,
you know, Like I know I have

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a frame of reference. I know
what to do if I deal with those

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animals, not so much with mountain
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it kind of nerved me a little
bit. I'm like, I don't know

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what to do for right, laser
pointer that always works? Water bottle.

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Yeah, and Tom the other day
the guy got in the tiger cage and

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the mountain lion cage and all they
found was his shoes. Oh way,

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it was on this morning while I
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Okay, wow, boy that quickly
derailed for some reason. I was like,

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is this a punchline? Is this
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where there was there was there was
a zoo that had a mountain lion,

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and some guy crept into the cage
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or the mountain lion or one of
the cats, and he was chewing on

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a shoe and they found the guy
like twenty feet away from him, and

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they were like, yeah, stupid
of her reins. Kind of right,

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it does animals. And that's the
thing is, when you're out in the

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woods, animals like that are just
so random. Because like, while I

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was working on my little mini putt, I had a deer maybe five feet

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away from me, just looking at
me, and when I turned around,

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he was in there. He had
been standing there probably ten minutes before I

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noticed, And like, you know, if he'd have been a mount lion,

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I'd have been dead. You know, I've never seen that coming,

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so kind of it kind of relating
to the to the same feline experience from

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the Dark Coast. You guys found
a lot of sign of links is there

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anything that you have to be as
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I don't know that I've ever heard
of my encounter where a lynks attacked

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a person. Yeah, maybe there's
some out there, but any anytime,

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I've which it's funny. So I've
seen all I don't know, four links,

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I think since I've been in Alaska, and I've been in Alaska for

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like about twenty years now, Yeah, and I've seen like four links.

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One of them, I mean,
like as close to me as that bookshelf

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back there, I could have I
could have grabbed it probably if it didn't

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run away. And I've talked to
people that have been up here much longer

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than I have that I've never seen
one. Oh wow, right, But

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I don't think a lynx is near
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on a prey that it could actually

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have the realization it could take down
and drag away and have for lunch.

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I don't see a lynx as that
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Yeah, I don't. I don't
think they get over thirty pounds.

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Yeah, right, so it's probably
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round here. So it would be
smaller animals like rabbit and mice and stuff

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that would be I would think,
so yeah, or like you know,

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dingoes would eat a baby or something
that, well, we have a lot

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of ermine meant you know, a
little little Martins stuff like that. I

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imagine that's probably yeah, So okay, So I and again I don't want

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to divert too much from the bigfoot
talk, but I still have to know

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with the Dark Coast, you guys
found signs of Sitka deer. I found

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that we've got them. I mean, there's no doubt in my mind,

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Like they're so yeah, they're not
supposed to be in that area according to

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Fishing Game, but we had a
drone sighting, we had footprints, we

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found scat, we found bones the
jawbone, and we got trail camera footage

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of of one. Like did you
did you contact Fishing Game about that then

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to let them know that they are
in that area or screw them? Yeah?

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Look, you know what animals,
of all animals, they do not

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have any sense of what borders are
state borders or county borders. They don't.

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And I'll cover a little bit of
that in our bottom of the hour

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news segment that animals have no clue
as to what borderlines are in states that

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are made whatsoever. So yeah,
they can certainly appear in there where it

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was not expected to be in the
you know what, it's an exploration for

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them too. Baker makes a good
point saying the government is it right.

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I mean, that's like they just
recently there was an article where the fishing

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game in Arkansas finally admitted there's mountain
lions down there, and somebody got a

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clear picture of one on a trail
camera. And you know, like,

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like I said, we got I
mean, we got other than like,

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well, we do have the bone. I think Alex has it. So

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I mean we got everything. We've
got visuals, we've got trace evidence,

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and we've got DNA, and we've
got pictures of live ones on camera,

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more than enough to prove it beyond
a reasonable doubt, and they can watch

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it on YouTube. And I think
that point Sorry, go ahead, James,

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but I think that point is valid
to the whole conversation on what we

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talk about, because the fact is, it's like a lot of times,

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even Pennsylvania, there are a lot
of animals in Pennsylvania that that the Pennsylvania

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dcn R or whatever they're called,
say don't exist. Oh, that can't

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be there, that can't be there. You have a animals in Alaska that

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aren't supposed to be there. But
I'll tell you now that if they can

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be wrong about that, then don't
you know you've got to You've got to

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use your senses to say, Okay, I see this. Okay, yes,

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this person says it can't be this. But here's the thing is,

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you're also telling me there's no bobcats
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Right, like Van said, they
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I've got coyotes. Yeah, I've
got coyotes here on my property that I've

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I've caught on before. We're not
absolute, they're not really supposed to be

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here either, like they're relatively new
import I believe, I mean the mountain

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lions in the city of Chicago three
times now over the last ten years.

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Three times with a mountain lion in
the City of Chicago boundary lake front.

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And Okay, so it happens that
goes to your point vance of you know,

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these animals don't know boundaries, right, And as we continuously push out,

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we're pushing out, and maybe not
so much in Alaska, but down

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here in the lower forty eight,
you know, we're pushing out and they

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have to go somewhere, and where
are they going to go? Well,

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when there's resource available, So how
do we not think that's not going to

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apply to you know? Eventually,
larger creat scared the living crap out of

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them, and I'm like, you
know, when I think I'm just going

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to go into the metropolitan area and
hang out there, well, listen,

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if you guys remember I think it
was was it Mike Green and North Carolina?

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It was investigating I think an area
he lived, maybe that, or

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maybe it was an episode of finding
Bigfoot. My mind's failing me here.

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This culled to Sack that was there
wasn't always there. And they think that

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the reason why they kept having sightings
is because they kept passing through this area

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that they used to go through all
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know, new obstructions there, they're
going to go through it, but they're

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going to be a lot more you
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their range and that's their habit and
you know how many other areas, you

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know, are they experiencing this.
You know, we talk about habituation as

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if it's I don't open up that
can of worms. But you can't say

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the age word without you know,
at least glancing through. It may not

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necessarily be a behavioral anchor may just
be a reflex or a you know,

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continual route through that They're not there
because somebody's keeping them there. They're there

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because they're always there. Habituation has
gotten a bad reputation because say it.

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They think of bigfoot knock them on
the door and asking for sugar, and

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that's not necessarily I mean, I've
got a habituation situation going on with the

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moose in my yard. They came
in and they like to eat the plants

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in my in my yard and my
trees, and I don't put them out

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there for them, But they're there, and I know they're going to become

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and I know they're going to I
get pictures of them all the time,

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and I don't run them off.
I just let them do their thing.

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It's you know, I'm not I
don't have a relationship with the moose.

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We're not like I don't go pet
them or anything. But I know they're

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going to come. I know when
you know the plants are gonna want to

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eat, and I get pictures of
them. But that's a valid point,

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right there, is you know when
they're coming, you get pictures. You

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know that if you went ten miles
down to the general store, the moose

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wouldn't follow you and you'd see it
again. So there's a difference between what

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you're saying and some of these people, like the gentlemen earlier, I've seen

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it twelve different states. No,
you think you saw it in twelve different

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states and you made a bunch of
circles on a bunch of pictures. Those

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are the people that make habituations the
look back. Absolutely, Henry, we're

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going to say something there, buddy. Yeah. I wanted to ask Larry

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about the ka the otter Man land
man. Yeah, So that's that's more

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in Southeast Alaska. I don't have
a lot of experience or reports with that,

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but I do know it's the natives
down there, the Clinkett They'll they'll

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be quick to tell you that bigfoot
and kushtaka are two separate things. They're

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not the same thing. And there's
a lot of a lot of the legends

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about like, oh, they'll take
you and they'll turn you into a kushtaka.

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You know, that's that's kind of
their thing. So I want to

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get down there to southeast Prince of
Welles Island is one of the places on

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my on my bucket list, and
we actually had a trip plan. I

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think it was back in twenty twenty. We were going to go and of

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course we all know what happened in
twenty twenty. And I had the camp

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I had a campgrounds reserve, I
had a car rented. I mean,

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I had everything, and we ended
up canceling the trip because of what was

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going on. But it's it's going
to happen eventually, Larry. You've had

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shows like The Alaskan Killer Bigfoot,
and you know other shows that have really,

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you know, probably taken some liberty
with por Chatham in the area.

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Sure, anything you want to set
the record straight on regarding some of those

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shows and what's really transpired and taking
place, Well, it's just it's been

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very dramatized. It's a lot like
if you think about the Salem witch Trials,

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where the salemnch Trials has been turned
into this like massacre you know that

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that went on for years where these
witches were burned at the stake and in

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reality, you know, there was
some witches. I believe they were hung

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and I think there was like less
than twenty or something it was, And

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that's kind of what's going on with
por Chatham. There's definitely some negative connotations

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around the Nanta knock down there.
They you know, they're afraid of him.

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There's been some mysterious deaths there.
There's been some missing people there,

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but it's not quite the massacre that
everybody quite makes it out to be on

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the internet. But there is some
I mean, there's some really squatchy stuff

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going on there, and there's some
sightings and some some Bigfoot legends that go

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back way before you know, the
big Foot Fever hit the United States and

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you know with like Jerry Crew,
Patterson, Gibblin, you know, stuff

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going back to like the twenties,
the thirties. You know, Bigfoot was

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being talked about up here, and
they've just kind of turned it into the

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like the creepy pasta. You know, they want to produce scary stories and

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yeah, they've just they've just kind
of taken it and dramatized it for you

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know, for viewers. I think
that's a critical point that you made,

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and I think more people need to
know and maybe we need to talk about

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more as these early sightings of Sasquatch, nati nach and whatever. You know,

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the Native term is for this the
Alaskan term is for the Bigfoot in

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this area. And I found that
fascinating just because I have this book sitting

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right in front of me that's a
thousand and some pages of the historical Bigfoot,

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right, and I think a book
like that is belongs in every bigfooter's

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library. But you tell a much
more comprehensive story of the background and folklore

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the area before these stories have been
bastardized and turned into silver screen productions,

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right. And you know, for
crying out loude you've got Eastern Orthodox priests

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doing exorcisms and you know things that
you know probably aren't very aren't very accurate.

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And it just kind of bothers me
that, you know, these shows

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get a lot of you know,
excitement hoopla generated from nothing more than yeah,

406
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.279
they're nothing more than you know,
buzz and camera tricks and what would

407
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:08.000
you guys do? And you know
Alex's much difference. Alex addressed this in

408
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:11.960
the new episode of Dark Coast where
he basically, you know, we were

409
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:15.279
out there for fourteen days and some
interesting stuff happened, but nothing mind blowing

410
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:19.000
or earth shattering, and he basically
says like, yeah, you know,

411
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:23.759
it's it's a shame we're out there
putting in in the work. And then,

412
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:27.279
you know, these shows that dramatize
things, you know, they get

413
00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:32.720
all the attention and the the fame
and the and the you know, the

414
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:37.119
viewers, and they condition people to
think that something's supposed every time I turn

415
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:40.759
my camera on and I'm out in
the woods, something squatch He's supposed to

416
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:44.480
happen. And that's not the case
at all. I Mean, most of

417
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:45.440
the times I go out, I
camp, I have a good time,

418
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.720
I come home, nothing happens.
You know. Another time I might go

419
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:52.519
out and camp and I might hear
one or two woodenknocks and nothing for the

420
00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:56.119
rest of the time. I mean, it's just that's how it goes.

421
00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:00.519
It's not it's not all squatch action
all the time. And I think shows

422
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:04.640
you know that that's probably more appropriate. Baker. Big Foot's like a fishing

423
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:10.000
show. You know, well it
is because you think about it that you

424
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:12.279
get five minutes. There's a red
snapper, five minutes more, there's a

425
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:17.440
trout five minutes that was like twelve
hours in a boat and then sitting there

426
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:21.799
scratching each other and drinking beer.
Okay, well, and like Cops too,

427
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:25.240
Cops has edited all hell because you
know, they don't show you the

428
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:30.359
three hours the guys drove around with
nothing going on. Yeah, well,

429
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:33.519
it depends on which city. Though, let's be fair, some of that's

430
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:37.240
probably pretty accurate. You know,
they just do Wilkespur Yeah, wolf On,

431
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:42.480
Yeah, that's on the news show. And then Cops was ray up

432
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:48.920
the road from us in Heazleton and
yeah, they actually they actually told him

433
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:53.880
to shut it down because it was
speaking the tail looks so bad. That

434
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:57.119
doesn't take a lot of effort,
and it takes long for them to get

435
00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:01.960
footage right. But you know,
to the main point we were making,

436
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:07.119
like it's not sexy and it takes
a lot of effort and patience, and

437
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:09.519
it's frustrating. You know, how
have you dealt with the frustration with some

438
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:13.799
of this? Larry, you go
out, you spend all this time and

439
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:17.160
you know, twenty years or more. I've been doing the field research thirty

440
00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:22.440
years or more. I've been really
into this story, and we're no closer.

441
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:23.839
You know, maybe we are,
and I just don't give us enough

442
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:27.519
credit. We are getting closer to
solving the mystery, but we're still so

443
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:31.519
far away. How don't deal with
that? I make therapy memes you do

444
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:37.839
between you and Matt Knapp. Half
my morning is looking at I mean,

445
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:42.160
working, is half the mornings working. The other half is looking at memes

446
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:47.079
that these guys post. It's pretty
good shit. Well, speaking of pretty

447
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:50.920
good shit, we do have to
take a moment for the news vance Nesbitt

448
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:53.079
with the bigfoot bullhorn folks, We're
going to give you a few minutes.

449
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:55.720
Smoke them if you got them,
we'll be right back. Stretch your legs,

450
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:59.319
do whatever you got to do,
Sasquatch experience. Sean Forker, James

451
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:04.119
Baker, Mattarn't and Remay Vincenz But
and Larry Beans back, sir, we'll

452
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:12.160
catch you up right after. This
news team a symbol. There's this guy

453
00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:15.759
on YouTube might watch all the time
and he sees bigfoot and he's a redneck.

454
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:17.599
He's a self proclaimed redneck too.
I'm not saying that's a bad thing.

455
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:22.359
I'm just saying that's what he is, right, Because who else is

456
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.200
gonna see bigfoot when you think about
it, right? No, Like,

457
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:29.960
it's never like somebody that's been to
Harvard or Brown or Yale or Princeton.

458
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.119
They have a degree in a bigfoot
store. They always want to talk about.

459
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:36.839
You know, nobody's ever been like
my driver and I were in my

460
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:42.440
Lexus and a large bipedal beast leapt
out in front of us. I nearly

461
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:51.200
lost my monocle. Nobody's ever lost
a monoca looking for bigfoots. It's never

462
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:52.799
that guy. It's always a redneck
type like guy. He was at my

463
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:59.920
bird feeder. I said, get
bigfoot. Ah, yes, snirky,

464
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:05.599
I remember when comedy was funny.
Well, a happy Monday night to you

465
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:09.719
all. This is the big football
horn right here on the Sasquatch experience.

466
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:15.920
And of course we are in full
swing of the get fat and sassy season.

467
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:21.480
I guess the goal is not to
become as large and smelly as Michael

468
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:25.559
Moore Speaking to Michael Moore. A
herd of followers are tracking a moose on

469
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:31.840
the loose in southern Minnesota. Hoping
the majestic animal's journey ends safely after it

470
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:38.199
was spotted last Tuesday one hundred and
forty miles northwest of Minneapolis. Fans have

471
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:44.599
been tracking the young male moose for
weeks and posting updates on a Facebook page

472
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:50.880
that as of Tuesday, had eighteen
thousand followers. Admirers call the animal get

473
00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:57.760
this bullwinkle or rut, the latter
in homage to the scatterbrain moose from the

474
00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:01.960
movie Brother Bear. I haven't seen
that one now. A Minnesota Department of

475
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:08.679
Natural Resources big game expert told the
Minnesota Star Tribune that moose typically only roman

476
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:15.039
northern Minnesota, making the now famous
moose visit to south and central Minnesota a

477
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:21.800
rare treat. Todd Froberg, the
agency's big Game program coordinator, said the

478
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:25.880
young moose is likely looking for home, territory or other moose and is expected

479
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:30.760
to continue moving north. He's lost
and he's trying to get home to his

480
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:37.000
family, said Bernie Stang, a
moose fan who spotted the animal in late

481
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:43.519
October. Amateur moose tracker Brenda Johnson
said traffic on the Facebook page, of

482
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:47.000
which she is the administrator, picked
up in September when the moose was spotted

483
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:53.639
in Iowa, near the border of
Minnesota. She suspects Rut or the moose

484
00:35:54.000 --> 00:36:00.599
traveled from North Dakota through South Dakota
and Iowa before coming back to Minnesota,

485
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:06.840
based on news reports of moose sightings
in South Dakota that matched his description.

486
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:14.480
Now Danielle Magnuson began searching for the
moose last month as a distraction from stressors

487
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:17.119
in her life. This is why
we call the big football horn the big

488
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:22.480
distraction. She spent several days a
week searching before she finally found him on

489
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:29.199
November thirteenth near Sock Center. It
was almost like seeing a bigfoot, Magnuson

490
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:31.920
said. Now, she didn't say
that, she said unicorn. They're just

491
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:37.280
really beautiful animals and we don't get
a chance to see them around our area.

492
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:42.760
Stang said seeing Rut was especially touching
for her twenty six year old daughter,

493
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:45.760
Holly Stang, who had never seen
a moose before. She said,

494
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:52.519
Holly Stang first named the creature Rut. This moose has brought so much joy

495
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:59.280
to so many people and so much
hope, Bernie Stang said, because most

496
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:05.559
people in their lifetime never get to
see a Moose said Larry Bean's Baxter never

497
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:17.239
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Channel six. So a few years
ago I had Dunwood Sean coined as Man

515
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:53.480
on the Street interview with some people
that I know and some people that I

516
00:38:53.639 --> 00:39:02.400
just have acquaintances with reguarding the subject
of bigfoot and what's your opinion? So

517
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:09.440
the following its two people's opinion?
What's your take on bigfoot? I actually

518
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:14.559
saw one in my backyard the other
day. Did you get it taken down

519
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:19.159
to this deer? It was just
rhythm, its handlers off, trying to

520
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:22.760
eat it. It was just horrible. Wow, there was blood everywhere because

521
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:28.480
dog came out in the bigfoot bad
way, like he was nothing. This

522
00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:32.039
thing was tough like dogs. It
was Harry. First I thought it was

523
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:37.960
my wife. She wouldn't be tearing
the antlers off the deer. No,

524
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:43.320
she'd just go out there with the
knee ACKs and head off. Oh that's

525
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:47.039
great. What's your take on do
you think there is such a creature or

526
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:52.159
it's easy. I think it could
exist. Yeah, I haven't seen one,

527
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:57.000
but that doesn't mean it's not real. Oh that's a great answer.

528
00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:02.000
But I love the fact that you
saw in your backyard. So what's your

529
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:09.320
take on Bigfoot? Real? Not
real? Interesting? Okay, it's interesting.

530
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:14.800
What's your personal opinion? You think
it's all? I think? I

531
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:22.000
used to work for him. Stop, I'm serious. I'm sure you probably

532
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:25.320
think you did. No, and
it's serious. If you were to go

533
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:30.519
out into you know, great Northwest
or into Florida or into Montana. I

534
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:38.039
know him Bigfoot personally. His name's
Biggieman. Yeah. Wow, see I'm

535
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:43.639
asking him the same question. What's
his take on Bigfoot? I used to

536
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:46.760
work for him at National Tractor Parts. Oh he's even mentioned the names.

537
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:52.079
That's even better. Real or not
real? Always real? No? No,

538
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:57.880
not satirical. No, seriously,
his Biggie Man. That's that's his

539
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:00.480
real name. People don't know him
personally like I do. Well, what

540
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:06.880
about Sasquatch or YETI his family?
Boy? Thanks again for listening to this

541
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:10.559
edition of Big Football Horn exclusively on
the Sasquatch experience, and until next time,

542
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:25.639
keep those toes in the mud.
Again, Van's proving the theory of

543
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:32.079
morphic resonance. Correct, assholes do
attract assholes. So well done that one

544
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:35.960
vance. Where do you find those
idiots? Where do you work with them?

545
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:39.360
It's an associated thing and I'll just
leave it at that. Gotcha.

546
00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:45.920
Here you go, guys, speaking
of moose. First, I thought it

547
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:52.880
was a pop so I like to
practice. If I find some in my

548
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:54.960
yard, I'll just cast them.
Mm hmm. This is pretty cool.

549
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:58.320
And there's actually I don't think you'll
be able to see it on the camera,

550
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:06.760
but there's actually a hair sticking out
right there. So but yeah,

551
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:09.159
this is a loose track that I
cast that I found in my in my

552
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:12.960
yard a couple of years ago,
just to keep you know, keep in

553
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:22.280
practice and cast something well like I
sent in the in our little private group.

554
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:24.760
Sasquatch rides on the back of a
moose. That's why there's such a

555
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:35.679
lack of tracks of sas It rides
like a horse like a cowboy. Well,

556
00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:37.360
you know, I think it's great
that you keep your skills sharp.

557
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:44.800
Do you have a particular favorite type
of material you used to cast for prints?

558
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:49.079
Not really, uh, you know, the most readily available I can

559
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:52.159
get up here is a plaster of
Paris, and it's not really the best,

560
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:58.039
but it's what I can get and
get in large quantities. But that's

561
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:00.719
that's usually what I carry around with
me. I need to get some like

562
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:05.360
hydro col or something a little bit
better, but especially the plaster of Paris.

563
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:08.639
It's it's it's cheap, it comes
in a large quantity, and it's

564
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:13.199
you know, it's a good,
a good substance you can you can train

565
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:19.159
with mm HM and Matt usually keeps
an abundant amount on him usually when we

566
00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:22.760
go to conferences and yes, yeah, you know it likes to bring it

567
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:28.960
out like it's bricks of cocaine and
put it on the table. I found

568
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:36.039
a footprint and it's sketchers. I
don't care, it's a footprint. I

569
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:39.039
have my friend kit. It was
set up with a bag, a sealed

570
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:44.400
bag with a water bottle already there. You know. It was kind of

571
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.599
like the searchy kit that you get
that has the water bottle, the you

572
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:52.400
know, the plaster and all sealed
up. Well. I made my own

573
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:59.679
and unfortunately, the the glad uh
reseal bags I had weren't really one sealable

574
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:08.239
and next thing, I know,
there was powder all over the the UH

575
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:13.719
and d It was great. I
got great. I got excited when I

576
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:16.280
saw the searchy with the packs with
the water bladder in it. Yes,

577
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:19.559
and I realized I thought about it, and I'm like, that would that

578
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:23.280
would last in my backpack for about
ten minutes and then it would probably just

579
00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:30.239
go everywhere. Yeah, exactly exactly. So that just goes to prove that

580
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:35.800
Matt's prepared anywhere we go at a
moment's notice. The cast of print.

581
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:39.920
Yeah, I do keep a little
forensics BacT with me anyways for work,

582
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:44.679
and a lot of stuff that I
that I used for work. You know,

583
00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:49.920
I'll I'll get replicants of that that
I can have in my UH in

584
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:53.639
my field research bag. So you
know, it's something you know, and

585
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:59.239
it keeps up. I'll tell you
Larry. When I saw Larry doing the

586
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:05.079
anal basically, well not the analysis, but doing the collection. Yes,

587
00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:07.880
the collection of the it's been a
long day, I'm sorry. The collection

588
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:14.599
of the of the DNA and the
h and the handprint. I was super

589
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:17.559
super like. Everything that we did, everything that I've been trained to do,

590
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:23.400
was everything that Larry did. And
again bringing that that type of skill

591
00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:30.320
set out in the field is extraordinary, whether you're doing wildlife research or if

592
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:35.400
you're doing forensics as well. It's
something I think that a lot of researchers,

593
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:40.320
you know, they should look into
evidence collection. It's a fascinating field.

594
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:45.039
Yeah, it's it's kind of we
hear somebody say like, oh,

595
00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:46.920
I I found this and I picked
it up and then it sat in my

596
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:52.079
closet for you know, six months, or in my garage during the summer,

597
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:55.239
and yeah, it's probably whatever it
was, it is probably long degraded.

598
00:45:55.639 --> 00:46:01.360
Yes, yes, you know,
Larry, with that most print that

599
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:07.320
you just showed everybody, And I
understand in the podcast version you're not going

600
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:12.480
to be able to see it from
what I'm seeing. I'm just guesstimating now.

601
00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:19.239
I'm guesstimating from what you just showed
us in the video format, probably

602
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:30.280
somewhere between four hundred and fifty and
five hundred pounds. I would probably say

603
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.440
a little bit more than that.
Yeah, this was, if I remember

604
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:37.880
correctly, it was it was a
mother and a cat, well not a

605
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:40.280
calf, but a yearling. And
I believe that's the mother's footprint, and

606
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:44.920
it was later in the summer,
so she had started to fatten up a

607
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:50.039
little bit, so she was she
was probably on the probably on between five

608
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:54.800
six hundred pounds. Wow. And
of course I understand it depends on what

609
00:46:55.000 --> 00:47:00.519
the environment of the earth is at
the time when which it laid at print

610
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:05.559
down. I don't know how moist
the ground was, and this all is

611
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:10.320
relevant to casting footprints of a big
foot. It all depends on how soft

612
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:15.920
the ground is from moisture and how
deep that footprint would go down, and

613
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:21.039
you're trying to guestimate what the weight
would be. But yeah, that's a

614
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:23.400
pretty sizable print that you showed.
Well, like out of area A.

615
00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:27.880
You know, we found some impressions
in the ground and I'm not a little

616
00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:30.920
guy, and I'll step on it, you know, step up and down,

617
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:35.199
and I can't leave an impression in
that substrate. So I'm like,

618
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:38.719
what the hell was what could leave
the impression here? Right? I think

619
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:42.920
in the last day we got to
see you and al you, Alex and

620
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:49.639
Rebecca really kind of show that where
where there was something found, you know,

621
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:53.000
like it was it was you know, it wasn't conclusive that you could

622
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:57.760
say it was a it was a
footprint, but you found impressions that were

623
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:01.599
really I mean, you know,
when I saw him on the video,

624
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:06.559
I was like, wow, you
know, I mean those kind of look

625
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:09.480
you know, they're around the same
dimension. When you were out there with

626
00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:14.800
the with the way the vegetation is
and everything, were you able to actually

627
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:21.920
see toe separation? No? Not
not in that like mossy spongy. There

628
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:27.119
has been some some towed tracks found
around the cabin where some dirt was dug

629
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:31.239
up. Robroy has a cast that
they actually did in like spray insulation that

630
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:37.280
they found they had dug an outhouse
and in the pile of dirt they had

631
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:43.159
dug for the hole in the outhouse, there was a five toad track found

632
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:47.920
in that dirt and they had they
didn't have this is you know, they

633
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:51.599
were just kind of starting in on
the big Foot thing. It wasn't really

634
00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:53.280
like, oh, maybe we should
have some supplies and stuff out here now.

635
00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:57.760
And all they had was like spray
insulation foam, so they that's what

636
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.559
they used to cast it. But
yeah, yeah, you know, it's

637
00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:02.320
it's not a lot of areas,
you know, the beaches real rocky.

638
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:06.719
There's not it's not a sandy beach. And then once you get into the

639
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:09.920
woods, it's all that spongy moss. You know, there's just not a

640
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:16.639
lot of places around there where you
could find a good track that would show

641
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:30.039
definition And like toes can't hear you
at fork? Why because I muted myself

642
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:34.199
when I coughed. Matt set us
up for a good question there. And

643
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:38.280
it's one of the things I think
is frustrating here is the different types of

644
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:45.239
vegetation and soil substrates that make it
very difficult to cast footprints. Do you

645
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:50.719
find that a lot up in area
A that it's going to be more difficult

646
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:53.360
to capture prints just because of the
different types of terrain that are there in

647
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:57.239
that area. Yeah. And in
fact, you know, most of the

648
00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:04.840
areas that I've researched in Alaska,
they all seem to have that that substrate

649
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:07.199
in common. It's always seems like
it's a spongy, mossy area, maybe

650
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:12.639
near a marsh or a river or
something like that. It seems like that's

651
00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:15.360
where they like to hang out.
I don't know if it's because they're aware

652
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:20.400
of how concealing that ground can be, or if it's just coincidence that whatever

653
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:25.320
they like to do is near that
that type of ground, but Porch Chatham

654
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:30.000
very similar, you know, the
rocky beach and then spongy, spongy substraight.

655
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:37.000
Yeah, it's just it's frustrating.
I like to draw those comparisons just

656
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:38.280
because of you know, wheld our
listeners are coming from. I know,

657
00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:42.840
it's something that Matt and I have
talked about. Ad nauseum is the big

658
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:46.079
frustration of half the reason we can't
good get prints is because either it's rocky

659
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:51.400
soil or we've got moss you know
everywhere. Now, doctor Meldrum did show

660
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:55.760
us a time or two that that
spray foam insulation's a great substitute if you're

661
00:50:55.760 --> 00:51:00.000
going to have an area where it's
you know, you may not be conduced

662
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:05.119
to use plaster. But you don't
get that detail either. You get with

663
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:07.679
the you know, with the pouring
plaster. You don't get those what the

664
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:12.719
dermal ridges are, which is something
I think people have stopped talking about more

665
00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:15.440
recently. When it's come to prints. You don't have the dissertations on dermal

666
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:20.599
ridges anymore like you were having there
for you know, months and years at

667
00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:22.559
a time. Yeah, I mean
that was a big thing twenty years ago.

668
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:27.400
As dermam ridges. Now we're talking
about e DNA and you know,

669
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:30.280
new different ways to collect when you
were out and Alaska to do the opportunity

670
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:37.159
to try to do any e DNA
collection techniques, I've looked into it.

671
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:40.440
There's a there's a lake near Port
Chatham that I want to get up to

672
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:45.400
and I want to try and take
DNA samples from, but it's pretty pricey,

673
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:46.719
I think to get the equipment to
do it. I'm sure maybe in

674
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:52.559
the next few years it'll come down
to a more affordable apparatus that I can

675
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:55.320
I can buy and lug up there. I think it's actually like there's a

676
00:51:55.360 --> 00:52:00.480
pump with a bunch of different filters
and stuff that come with that. So

677
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:05.119
it's definitely on my radar, but
it's not something that I've tried yet.

678
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:08.440
That the handprint that we found on
the cabin it actually had some pretty defined

679
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:13.159
dermal ridges on it, and Doug
Hichek has sent that off. I guess

680
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:15.280
it is hopefully being tested as we
speak. I don't know when we'll get

681
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:20.639
the results on that, but I'm
waiting with baita Bread at that talk about

682
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:22.320
that for just a little bit there. Larry for folks who may not be

683
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:27.679
too familiar with the handprint. So
Alex was out at the cabin I think

684
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:31.519
I believe this was last year,
and he on the back of the cabin

685
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:39.360
he found a real large, greasy
handprint, almost like a whitish film,

686
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:43.719
like you know, you hear a
lot of people talk about the what's it

687
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:47.960
called, like the album Varnix or
something like that. And he called me

688
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:52.719
out and asked if I would come
and swab it for DNA. And so

689
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:54.800
it took me a little There was
some weather. It took me a little

690
00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:57.800
bit to get out there. I
wasn't able to get out there like right

691
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:00.880
away. But even by the time
I showed up, like it was still

692
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:02.559
visible. It had started to fade
a little bit, but not to the

693
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:07.519
point where you couldn't see it with
your naked eye. And then so I

694
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:12.639
documented it, took photos, took
some pictures, I took some video.

695
00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:15.920
I threw some mobile gliding on it, which I'm sure Matt's familiar with,

696
00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:17.440
which made it kind of pop and
you could see it a lot better.

697
00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:22.039
And then I swabbed it. I
took I think I believe it was two

698
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:25.840
swabs from each finger and two from
the palm, and I use the capture

699
00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:29.880
swabs, which I'm a big fan
of, which had the little plastic has

700
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:32.119
a little plastic cap at the top
that you can open up and slide down,

701
00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:36.599
and then after you swab your whatever, you can pull a little top

702
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:38.679
up and close it and it protects
that swab. I'm a big fan of

703
00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:44.400
those, and we sent them off
to Doug Hicheck and he has sent them

704
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:46.639
off. I assume it's part of
his legend Meet Science to documentary that he's

705
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:52.039
making that He's collected quite a bit
of evidence that he sent off for that,

706
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:54.880
and I'm hoping to get the results
for that here pretty quick. And

707
00:53:55.559 --> 00:54:00.760
you know, I don't understand.
I mean, it's either human or it's

708
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:04.199
it's bigfoot. There's no I don't
think there's really any any in between.

709
00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:07.039
And I don't see how it could
be human. The placement of it.

710
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:10.599
It was actually right out about my
head height was about five to eleven six

711
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:17.239
footish and it was right on the
other side of a large water tank for

712
00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:21.960
the cabin. So for somebody,
for a person to put that there,

713
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:28.079
they would have had to basically lean
over that water tank and put their hand

714
00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:34.480
like up about six foot in height
and then have something on their hands that

715
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:42.920
would leave a shiny, whitish stain
that that persisted for over a week them

716
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:46.599
right, that's what does Yeah,
and Doug has been when we had him

717
00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:50.440
on the show. You know,
he's putting a lot of eggs in that

718
00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:54.079
basket that it's pretty remarkable that,
you know, we've got something new to

719
00:54:54.079 --> 00:55:00.760
try to test and collect and examine. And there's been some pretty good samples

720
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:04.119
of that collected. Like you were
just telling us about the handprint, there's

721
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:07.199
been some in in some other places
that he was telling you that the folks

722
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:09.800
can go back and check out that
episode with Doug high check. It was

723
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:16.119
really really good episode with him.
But I'm just excited to see what this

724
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:22.239
is going. Is there anything you
didn't get to do that you need to

725
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:24.960
do That's like Larry's like, I
got to get on this and I got

726
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:29.480
to do this as soon as possible. Oh geez, I mean, I

727
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:30.920
just I want to get back out
there and just spend some more. I

728
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:37.920
would like to set that blind up
and maybe just let it set for a

729
00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:42.000
few weeks and then get back out
there and just maybe set in that blind

730
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:47.199
is overnight with some thermal and a
recorder and stuff going, and or maybe

731
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:52.320
just leave some stuff in it unmanned
while it's running and you see what happens.

732
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:57.719
But yeah, I'm just really excited
to continue to get out there and

733
00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:02.719
just see what I can see.
It's amazing place. I can't really explain

734
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:07.280
the lack of activity other than maybe
the novelty, either the novelty of the

735
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:10.199
cabin has worn off, or maybe
they're making a circuit around the area and

736
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:13.719
they just haven't got back that way. You know, they may be a

737
00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:17.639
food source, you know, two
coves away that they're really into this time

738
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:22.519
of year or something. I don't
know, but you know, I can't

739
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:24.519
I can't deny the I mean,
I've heard some some of the Christmas knocks

740
00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:29.079
I've ever heard out there. I
heard vocalizations, you know, I've seen

741
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:32.800
the tracks that Rob Roy and those
guys have collected, and it's just I

742
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:36.440
think, you know, if there, if they would be anywhere, they

743
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:42.679
would be there. There. You
have it, guys, this hour's gone

744
00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:45.639
already. We've blown it right through
it. We've got to get Larry back

745
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:49.719
again for another episode of this a
little bit down the line. Thanks so

746
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:52.480
much for spending some time with us. Larry, appreciate it. What's next

747
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:53.880
for you? Any new projects that
you got going on? They're going to

748
00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:59.079
be coming out? Oh geez.
Uh, I'm working on my fourth book,

749
00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:01.280
which is not Bigfoot or Cryptid related
at all. I'm gonna try something

750
00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:06.000
a little different. It's gonna be
coming out next spring. And then.

751
00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:09.039
Uh, I don't know. I've
always got something going on, just either

752
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:13.719
getting out in the field or doing
a video with somebody. I've been hanging

753
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:15.760
out with Chuke from Chukes Outdoor Adventures. He's a cool guy up here in

754
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:20.719
Alaska. But yeah, that's uh. I always got, always got something

755
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:22.079
going on. You just got to
check out a Last Watch podcast dot com

756
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:28.639
to find out dot com Go ahead, man, I I just want to

757
00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:34.920
one ask one last question here.
What would it take Larry to get me

758
00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:40.199
Sean and James and Henry in dance
too if they want out to Area A

759
00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:45.679
with you to we'd have to talk
to the owner a little bit. I'm

760
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:47.679
not the travel agent for Area A, so I get a lot of people

761
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:50.280
asking me to go out there,
and I'm like, oh, we got

762
00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:52.679
to talk to the owner. I
just it's kind of up to him if

763
00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:55.440
he feels like, you know,
you guys would would have a good time

764
00:57:55.480 --> 00:58:00.400
out there and not you know,
you just got to pass his vie check.

765
00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:05.719
I guess I think James would be
our key for everything. So I

766
00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:12.199
hope he doesn't charge per pound or
we're screwed. We're gonna need a couple

767
00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:16.199
of rascal we're gonna need. And
on that note, folks, you've been

768
00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:20.679
listening to The Sasquatch Experience. Sean
Forker, James Baker, Matt Arner,

769
00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:24.599
Henry may Vance Nesbit and Larry Baxter. Henry take us home with those dulcet

770
00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:30.480
tones. You'll be good, be
good. We'll see you next time,

771
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:34.480
folks, next week, we'll be
back. Good night, everybody. Keep

772
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:45.679
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773
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