EP 83: 50 Years of High Strangeness

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Folks, it's Monday night. You're
watching Sasquatch Experience. Tonight, episode eighty

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three, fifty years of high Strangeress. We're going to talk about the UFO

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big Foot flap of nineteen seventy three. It's going to be a great show.

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Stick around. We'll be right back. The views and opinions expressed by

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the guests of Sasquatch Experience do not
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sponsors, or affiliates of the Sasquatch
Experience. As always, listener discretion is

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advised. We got someone or something
crawling around out here. Does a legend

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walk among us working in the forests
of our world? Did you see what

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it was? Well? It a
person or an animal? Or I can't.

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Oh, I know, it's if
my thunder light came on and I

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get happened to glim say the thing
running across the yard a good fight,

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man or nothing? It works like
a man. I don't know what it

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was. For over fifteen years,
we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators,

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and witnesses trying to gain insight and
truth around the existence of this mysterious

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entity. Quiet, hello, get
somebody out here. What's going on?

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Announce thereablement about I don't know,
easy announce there. Yeah, I'm working

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right. Oh okay, hand yeah, got you bigger? Okay, what's

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you doing here? Your join us
as we continue into the investigation of the

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Sasquatch Experience, and Welcome to tonight's
show, folks. Sasquatch Experience Seawan Forker,

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James Baker, Matt Arner, Henry
May and Vance Nesbit. Down there

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in the bottom corner. It's like
Hollywood squares, but it's not a square.

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It's just some strange shape that we
happen to be occupying. But welcome

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to tonight's show. Guys. Yes, you've got us back to back weeks

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because we just love you so much. But guys, this show and I

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hope you all had a great weekend. I know we chatted. Matt you

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were sick, and Baker you've had
some stress going on. I'm glad you

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guys are both with us tonight and
feeling good. Henry, you got some

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monster storms rolling through there, so
I know you're trying your best to stick

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it with us, and Vance and
I are just two boring old guys who

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have been pretty much Yeah, you
guys, have all that fun stuff.

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It's just Vance and I doing our
normal thang. It ain't nothing the thing

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right, But this show started Matt
Napp, a good friend of mine,

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partner of mine, over at Bigfoot
Crossroads. Very interesting episode. We talked

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about the mysteries of the Chestnut Ridge. Last week he asked me to come

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on and be a guest with him. Him and I always have good dialogue

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together, so it was, you
know, much appreciated and a lot of

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fun. But as we were talking, I just came to the real of

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eight revelation and I can't talk tonight
that it's been fifty years since the nineteen

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seventy three UFO flap in Westmoreland County. And actually we called the west Moreland

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County clap Clap Clap. It isn't
it incorporated a lot more than just Westmoreland

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County. There's actually quite a few
places, but interesting none the last.

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So I just want to get your
guys' thoughts on this going into this show

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tonight, I don't care who goes
first. Aker. You were born in

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seventy three, so give us your
thoughts. You know, I don't remember

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a lot about that. You know, a lot of a lot of incontinents

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and getting Bob it was unique here, but I was reading a lot of

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articles on it. And I'll tell
you what, just not just the UFO

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sightings. They were they were nationwide
and they were also across other countries.

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But there was a lot going on. Nixon had his troubles. There was

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the Jan Kapor War I think I
pronounced that badly, but with Israel and

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basically all the Arab nations around them, that could have ended with a nuclear

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response. There were so many sightings
of different alien spacecrafts, and then there

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was also creatures. But you know, in some areas, like you were

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saying in Pennsylvania, it was starting
to tie into the bigfoot community. Some

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of the some of the major people
that we talked about today really got their

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you know, really got their feet
wet into that where people started to know

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them as common names. One of
them would be like Stan Gordon. I

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know, there were a few other
ones. A lot of them are unfortunately

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have passed on due to natural causes
and or just you know, because fifty

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years ago when they were twenty another
seventy, you know that would be natural

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causes. Yeah, right. For
one guy got hit by a drunk driver.

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Well, that's not natural. I
did post up the artic and the

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chat, so if anybody wanted to
follow along, Oh, thank you makes

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no, that's that's that's incredible.
Actually, Bake, you're absolutely right.

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In nineteen seventy three, there was
a lot of strange things going on nationwide,

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not just focused on what was going
on Pennsylvania Flap, but there were

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things going on nationwide, and I
would bring up a couple of interesting points

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to just keep in the back of
your mind that in some of these circumstance

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ch answers, it was described as
a Bigfoot like creature that was seen along

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with these UFOs. Now, with
that said, the Patterson Gimlin film had

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come out only five years prior to
that. The Patterson Gimlin film was only

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seen under a public distribution through local
media, So whether the news source or

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a television show decided to show that
clip, those were the only people that

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saw it. So there were millions
of Americans that did not see that footage

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and had really no idea of the
concept of Bigfoot at that time, even

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five years after the fact, and
I found that really interesting and another interesting

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name to bring up, along with
Stan Gordon, which you know, my

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heart, it's all to Stan Gordon. He's done such amazing and a plethora

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of work that you know, sir, I can't put it into words as

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to what that man has contributed to
this entire topic. But Stanton Friedman took

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an interest in this whole seventy three
flat and even though he was investigating the

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things that were going on in nineteen
seventy three in Sacramento, California, and

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he was more focused on the UFO
incidents that were happening at the time,

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Stan was looking more at the contribution
of both things being tied together with each

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other and if there was any kind
of similarities or if there was an actual

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tie between both a hominid that walks
our earth and UFOs And you know,

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I just I just wanted to put
that out there that again, millions of

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Americans were unfamiliar with seeing the actual
Patterson Gimlin film at the time, unless

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they saw it at a local library
or whether their local television news happened to

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show a clip of it. But
again, millions did not see it at

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that time. And we're talking five
short years after or prior to that fact

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that this what this film was released
when this whole seventy three flap happened.

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Yeah, Matt, go ahead.
You know, going back into that particular

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era, we were also you know, we were in the Cold War.

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There was a lot of syops that
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you know, NATO and the Soviet
Union. A lot of I think,

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what the UFOs. Some UFOs were
attributed to, you know, craft from

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say like the Skunk Works and from
from some other places. But you know,

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some of you know, just reading
through with some of the accounts,

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I'm not a UFO person myself,
but you know, it just seems that

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we just had this major, major
influx of activity in that particular year,

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during that particular era. And again, you know, having the Cold War

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going on plays a big factor into
it. But there could be also other

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factors as well. The fact that
we are using at that point a lot

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of nuclear energy. That could be
we're starting to send signals into space.

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You know, it could have been
something to trigger something, you know,

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to come forward. But as for
the Bigfoot phenomena tied into it, I'll

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go into my little theory a little
later. I think it is interesting,

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No, you bring up some you
all brought up some really good points.

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You know, I didn't come along
till many years later, Right, I

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wasn't even a thought at this point. My dad was still legitile. But

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this is the stuff I was raised
on, you know, the seventy flaps.

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As a Pennsylvania researcher, you come, you know, you come to

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terms that there's some strange shit that
happens in this research. It's just unavoidable

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that these things interweave, and in
that seventies was like the apex of that.

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Right, You've got John Green talking
about it in Sasquatch stapes among us.

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You've got stuff going on all over
the country California, Mississippi, Indiana,

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Illinois, Pennsylvania, Cincinnati, Ohio. There's this confluence of the UFO

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flaps. But why is Pennsylvania the
only one notating the bigfoot component of it?

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And I know there's folks listening to
it. They would be like,

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oh, here we go, it's
a UFO Bigfoot connection, which you can't.

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It's unavoidable, Like we have to
talk about this mainly for historical preference,

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but also to the fact that you
know, it happened, It's been

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you know, documented very well and
you talk about people that were part of

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this, who's been researching this now
for over fifty years. You see some

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photos on there from Stan at the
time. That photo you see with the

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three toad print there. The one
story I like to tell quite frequently about

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the bigfoot ripping the electrical box off
the back of the trailer, off the

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side of the trailer. That creature
left three toad footprints behind. So again

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when you make the comment bigfoot like
creatures vanes, that's part of it,

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right. And then we go back
to what we talked about last week in

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Boggy Creek, right with the three
toad prints. And then Matt brings up

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the point, well maybe it's not
three toe, maybe it's just how it

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walks. So you know, there's
a lot of connection points. But Stan

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Gordon wasn't the only person to be
investigating some of these. There was also

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a man by the name of doctor
Paul Johnson who also investigated UFO activity in

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Pennsylvania bigfoot activity. Doctor Paul's a
great dude. I got to know him

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over the years. I'm acquainted.
I don't want to say we're biffs.

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We're not going out for breakfast or
anything like that. But good guy doesn't

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get nearly the credit because he's not
out there like Stan Gordon is. He

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wrote the book Chasing the Elusive Pennsylvania
Bigfoot for anybody who wants to pick up

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a really good read, you can
get that on Amazon, which you know,

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part of that book was written with
Joan Jeffers. And I was talking

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to Henry before we came online.
You know, Joan was you know,

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part of the Pennsylvania UFO Research Center
at that time, so she was one

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of the people that were taking these
calls and doing these investigations. She's not

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with us any longer. I had
one picture of Joan and I can't find

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it on this computer. I just
got this computer, but I couldn't find

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it in any of my files.
And when I went to do a Google

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search to and I couldn't find anything
about Joan Jeffers. So it kind of

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breaks my heart a little bit that
just aside from some footnote, she's not

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talked about. And you know,
I told Henry, like, I really

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want to get with Lauren Coleman and
maybe Heather Moser, somebody that could help

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me do the research to really tell
Joan's story, because I just have this

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like connection with her. I don't
know what it is why I'm drawn to

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her, but I feel like she
has a story that needs to be told

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and it's important to this because you
know, she was part of it,

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and she's just something that just goes
someone that just goes on, I don't

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know, uncredited, and it bothers
me all of them, because we're all

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important, you know, and when
you take the time and you, you

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know, contribute to this, everybody
should be recognized for the contributions. And

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she had a hell of a lot
of contribution to this. Let's get to

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it, guys. Pullet notes here. Yeah, so this really started.

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According to various sources, December nineteen
seventy two, residents of Greensburg reported seeing

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a hairy, bipedal creature chasing their
neighbors to dogs in the middle of the

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day. The following month, glowing
spheres of pure white light were reported hovering

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in the sky, from which shards
of luminous material fell towards the ground.

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Now standing his team recovered some of
this material and my understanding of it and

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see where I put that article,
because I did collect the article, it

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did come back with some Oh shit. I hate when that happens, I'll

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find it. We'll talk about it
again a little bit. But he did

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take it, some of it analyzed
and had some pretty interesting results. It

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was a material was plain old aluminum. Five percent of it couldn't be identified.

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So there was five percent of the
material taken from that luminous UFO or

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that luminous object that couldn't be identified, which is pretty interesting. I wonder

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if we ran that material today,
but that would come back, maybe that

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our advances in science could identify what
that material could be. Matt Well,

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I mean you look at the periodic
a child of the seventies. I remember

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our periodic tables of the elements were
like, you know, only like this,

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you know this big. Now it's
a lot more. So there's always

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a great possibility that we do,
you know, we may have something that

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can match that unknown property for the
metallurgy. So yeah, so I mean

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it's something to look into and perhaps
maybe find an answer to that. Guys,

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I don't know. Thanks, But
the same similar incident happened with the

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Raswell also there were materials that were
analyzed that were not identified at that time.

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I find that kind of interesting,
right, Yeah, But if we

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still had access to those materials.
It's something we could test today and what

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right, you know, go ahead
games. The fact that you bring up

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Raswell is kind of important to the
whole thing, because the article I read

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was because of some of the other
things that were going on around the war

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world, like the Israeli War and
a few other was we were actually gearing

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up to get involved in that,
and we were actually at the right Patterson

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Base, which is where they're actually
assessed that the Roswell ship in Area fifty

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one is based. So they're saying
that some of the some of the article

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states kind of gives you the idea
that the reason that we had so much

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of new activity is the fact that
because there was so much going on in

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an area near a supposed supposed vehicle, that the people that created the vehicle

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were kind of like, Okay,
they're moving around it a lot, maybe

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we should start doing stuff. And
that's why they were more visible and more

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hunting. You know, we have
Henry back here with us, so let's

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give Henry a minute to say something
before we lose them again. Henry seventy

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three, Bigfoot, what's on your
mind? Well, Jean said this.

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He said it would it does we
lost them all right, We'll have to

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bring on Mary Henry. Sorry,
Henry. He's got bad weather going on,

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folks, and coupled with the always
challenge with his connections, so we're

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going to try to get that straightened
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didn't mean to lose you there.
But interesting enough, guys, when I

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was going into this, I went
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sightings that were happening okay, And
there were some instances before December nineteen seventy

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two in the Fayette County area which
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flap, And I think they should
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end of October, as it starts
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thirty first, nineteen seventy two,
Jumminville, several witnesses in a car saw

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a gray haired, bipedal creature with
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eyes, and the creature looked into
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then November nineteen seventy two, several
kids threw stones at a five and a

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half the six foot tall creature that
growled at them, So dumb kids throwing

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rocks at big feet and was surprised
one of them didn't get eaten. But

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so those kind of events happened,
and then of course there's the nineteen seventy

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two incidents. But then this is
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January nineteen seventy three, residents of
Greensburg reported seeing a hairy, bipedal creature

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chasing their neighbors two dogs in the
middle of the day, kind of like

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that they were talking about there earlier. Right when the bigfoot was confronted,

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it fled into the woods which boarded
the back of the homeowner's property. The

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bigfoot had a lopping gait into Its
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body save for its ape like face. Those present also reported a rotten egg

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smell, and that's when you start
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of these creatures. Now, for
the rest of January into February, grizzly

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evidence of bigfoots or some other immensely
powerful animal mounted chickens were killed, coops

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have been violently ripped apart. A
few families woke up to find their dogs

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dead in their yard with their spines
broken. Yeah, pretty terrible. Many

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of these fatal attacks occurred in and
around Pottstown in Montgomery County, which is

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on the other side of the state. So as we start talking about this

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becoming more than just a localized situation, we call it the Westmoreland County big

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Foot Flap. I mean it it
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And that's what, Matt. How
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hundred and seventy four maybe from way
more than that, yeah, because I

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think interstate eighties, what three hundred
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And so I mean you're talking to
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in Pottstown, you're not that far
from Philadelphia. So I just googled

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it here quick, let's find out
it is two hundred and fifty eight miles.

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Man, Okay, what's over two
hundred miles? Yep. It takes

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me ninety one miles to get the
Scranton so yeah, it's yeah, that

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seems about right. So you're talking
about two hundred and fifty nine, two

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hundred and sixty miles across the state. You have other things happening, and

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you know that part of the state
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southwestern southeastern PA has probably just as
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And I just wonder why there's not
as many creature sightings that happened in in

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negotiation with that. Maybe it's just
because at that point in time, there

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wasn't anybody there to talk about it. And that's something else to think about.

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You know, you have Stan Gordon
who's out there, who's now known

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by the you know, the state
police as having a hotline and as a

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resource to report these too. They're
the police are getting so inundated with these

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sighting reports they're reaching out to STAND
to help them meter that out. Matt,

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what's that say as a member of
law enforcement? What what? How

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does that true? You know?
What's that say to you? Well,

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you know what, they they have
a trust in STAND that they know when

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they send somebody that that went through
an experience like that, uh to someone

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like Stan Gordon, he's going to
be someone that's that's going to be as

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good good with interviewing and treating the
person that's giving the report as they would.

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So for someone to for one of
us to to send somebody to a

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person like that, we really have
to have a high regard for them,

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and we have to know that they're
not gonna be you know, some guy

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that that has a hotline. Stan
really established a great relationship with the with

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the State Police, and they probably
saw the way that he interviewed, you

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know, some of these witnesses and
if it's doing it, you know,

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as as they would all the power
to them to uh to have him take

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those reports. Right. And with
that said Matt at which is a very

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good point, Stan Gordon was just
relaying the information that he took in and

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the way that he took that information
in was in a chronological order, and

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that's how the state Police took a
look at it. Yeah, Okay,

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all he is is he's the sounding
board for these incidents. I would also

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interject one other really kind of interesting
point. It was in nineteen seventy three

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when then Governor of Georgia, Jimmy
Carter reported his UFO experience. With that

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said, we'll let that go forward. And on that note, we're going

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to jump into our big show break
here, folks, with almost that nine

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to twenty five guys, if you
can believe that, stick around, guys,

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will be right back. We're going
to regroup, continue on our discussion

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of the UFO big Foot Flap.
Fifty years of high strangeness. We'll catch

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you after this, Tu steave a
symbol. Ah. Yes, it is

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Monday Night live once again right here
on the Big Distraction Bigfoot Bullhorn, on

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the Sasquatch Experience, and we are
quickly approaching the Turkey Week. We're only

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days away, folks. And if
you're listening to this on the Turkey Day,

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well enjoy. And of course,
out by me we have the annual

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Turkey Testicle Festival. No, thank
you, I will stay at home on

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that date, but let's kick things
off here staying in concert with what we

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are talking about tonight, the big
Muddy Monster of Southern Illinois. I know

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what you're thinking, the big Muddy
Monster. No, we're not talking about

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Michael Moore's undercarriage. Believe me,
I've stood close to that guy. He

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smells bad. I'm not sure he
knows that water can actually clean the human

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body. But I digress. Out
of Murphy'sboro, Southern Illinois, there are

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two dates in Murphy's Borough that still
leave some haunted or at least curious.

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Two police reports dated June twenty fifth
and June twenty sixth relate the sighting of

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an unknown creature. It was in
those two evenings that the reports came out

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of a loud, tall, white
haired creature caked with mud, being spotted

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in the woods on the outskirts of
the town near Big Muddy River. It

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was later dubbed the Big Muddy Monster
because of its indefinable features and mysterious presence.

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It set off a media frenzy after
the initial reports on those two days,

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said former patrolman and retired Murphy's Borough
Police Chief Rod Man Warning, those

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are the most copied and most looked
at reports in the history of the department.

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He said, letters came streaming in
from those as far away as California

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and New York, winding a piece
of information or piece of the prize.

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But that prize is still elusive.
It is unsolved case because I can't tell

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you what it was, he said. Having retired eighteen years ago and having

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not seen the Big Money Monster police
reports in years, Man Warning is still

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able to recount those haunting evenings as
if they just happened yesterday, and he

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recounts the stories as if he were
writing the police report. All over again.

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There were numerous sightings and people interviewed. The first report came in just

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before midnight on June twenty fifth.
A couple had been parked near the boat

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dock on the southwestern edge of Riverside
Park, next to the woods. The

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two were not married, said that
they were in a car and when they

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heard very loud screaming sounds coming from
the wooded area and observed a large creature

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approximately seven feet tall. The creature
appeared to have light colored hair that was

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matted with mud. The creature appeared
to be walking on two legs and was

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proceeding towards his car. According to
the report, police searched the area with

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flashlights and spotted tracks in the mud
approximately three to four inches deep, ten

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to twelve inches long, and three
inches wide. While officers were searching the

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area, they reported hearing another scream
coming from the woods, but nothing could

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be found. When we come back
the second report of the Big Muddy Monster.

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You're listening to the Sasquatch Experience.
We take you back now to the

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audition Sport Star Trek the Next Generation. Okay, people, today we're auditioning

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the part of Captain Picard. Please
read the line in the script the guy

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in the bow tie, I'm John
Luke Picard, Captain of the Enterprise.

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Thank you you, sir. Next, i am Jeane lying here. Okay

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you sir. Ball guy, I'm
Jean Lupicatt, Captain of the Enterprise.

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well. As mentioned at the top
of this news break that we were staying

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in concert with the subject matter in
which we are speaking of tonight. These

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two reports of the Big Muddy Monster
happened on June twenty fifth and twenty six

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of nineteen seventy three, So the
next report follows that. The next morning

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after the first report, Officer man
Warning said he was the officer on duty

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when a call came in from the
Westwood Hills Subdivision that two teenagers were sitting

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on the back porch when they spotted
a tall, white hair covered creature in

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a field on the edge of the
woods. Man warning said, officers responded,

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and while they were in the area, a neighbor said their five year

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old son had just come in ten
minutes earlier, saying he saw something on

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the edge of the woods. My
partner and I decided to go down to

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the area where they said they saw
this thing. Man Morning said he started

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traveling in a footpath through the bushes
and noticed a stench and slimy film on

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the tree branches. I saw the
substance and smelled the smell myself, he

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said. Now. Jerry Nellis an
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At the time, was a dog
handler and was called to the scene.

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The dog did track the scent all
the way to a barn, but

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once it got to the barn,
the dog refused to go inside. We

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never got a good view of any
tracks. Nellis said, Is there a

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sasquatch? And I don't know,
but it does make for a good story.

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Thanks again for listening to this edition
of The Big Distraction, Bigfoot Bullhorn

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exclusively on the sasquatch experience, and
as always, remember keep those toes in

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the mud. Well, thanks Vance
for the big Foot bullhorn this week the

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Muddy Monster. If I could just
interject, I was just so entranced by

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the new Bigfoot bullhorn graphics. Pretty
cool, you're outstand. Yeah, you're

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welcome. Sean John did awesome with
that. That was all Vance and I

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discussing this morning about how we need
to give some things a facelift. Here.

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We were talking about ourselves because you
know, we're getting old and every

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time we fired it smells like cream
corn. But uh, and you can't

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trust it. Were trust but as
we age gracefully, you know, we

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also figured we'd update some of our
graphics here. But folks, if you're

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just joining us, regrettably you're listening
to the SaaS Bunch experience. I'm Sean

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Forker, that's Vance Nesbit, James
Baker's forehead, and Matt Arner down there

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in the bottom corner. We've been
talking about the nineteen seven teventy three UFO

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flap. We're gonna, I think
we're gonna stop calling it the Westmoreland County

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flap because we've discussed it's affected a
lot more than that. It's hit Washington

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County, so you know, we
all know I love John Green. Right.

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John Green, the prolific bigfoot investigator
writer, wrote Sasquatch he had some

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among us pretty much the best book
written on the subject, although Matt Prewitt

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may be giving him a run for
his money. We can send a little

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shout out to our Matt Prewitt.
There. From June nineteen seventy three to

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February eighteenth, nineteen seventy four,
the UFO Group, which was Dan Gordon's

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group, documented one hundred and eighteen
such sightings with two hundred and forty five

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witnesses. Two hundred and forty five
ninety one reports were in Westmoreland County,

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seven in Alleghany, six in Indiana, five each in Fayette and Washington Counties,

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three in Beaver, and one in
Somerset. Only about thirty of these

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sightings took place in daylight, while
there were twenty four at dust and thirty

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in the vicinity of a ten and
eleven PM. Forty nine of the creatures

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were seen in wooded areas, but
there were nineteen year trailers in eighteen near

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houses. Only ten were seen on
roads, so just kind of interesting.

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As you know, he looked at
these reports as they were coming in.

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You know, Sasquad James among Us
written around that time, so that's fresh

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material. And he went through and
dived in and you know, did a

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little deep dive on that. And
I think we've got Henry back. Henry,

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how are you doing there, buddy? I'm hanging in there, which

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by connection was so as we're talking, Henry, what's your thoughts on seventy

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three. You've heard some of the
things going on, You're familiar with the

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material. What's Henry May thinking on
this? Well? Now, John Green

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said best. He said he didn't
like to explain another mystery, right,

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he didn't like to explain a mystery
with another mission. Well, the thing

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is you can't deny what was going
on, especially in Westmoreland County, right,

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is a big deal and it's documented
well documented overall. How do you

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do you think it impact how do
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I think it brought gotta love it. Sorry, Henry, Sorry folks,

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it's a weather thing. It brought. Like I said, it brought

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a new element into the studies of
Sasquatch in that we had something interesting and

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new and even controversial going on with
the UFO flat. When do you think

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when do you think it became controversial
that these two subjects were starting to overlap

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from the get go. Was there
always some sort of hesitation or some sort

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of like alienation between the two groups
that said, you shall not commingle and

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share documentation and you know, these
topics should not intertwine, or did that

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come later on, because that's that's
a question I have. When did that

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become such a a hotly debated,
hotly divisive topic, you know, Sean,

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I think it really got divisive within
the last ten years, maybe with

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00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:08.519
social media. I know, from
even with the old group. You know,

406
00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:14.840
there was a lot of people that
you know, had varying concepts of

407
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:21.360
what a bigfoot was. You know, we I'll use the word. You

408
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.079
know. There was people in the
WU crowd, and there's people in the

409
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:29.880
in the Ape crowd and everyone.
You know, Hey, we'd we'd sit

410
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.840
there, we'd have our discussions face
to face, you know, or at

411
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:38.239
at a conference or or whatnot,
and hey, you know what, we

412
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:42.280
have difference of opinion, but we
still believe that there was something there.

413
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:46.519
Then it seems within like the last
ten years, probably really with the with

414
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:52.360
the Onslaught of some of the claims
coming forth on on Facebook. It really

415
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:58.800
started, we really started to see
a divisiveness in the community. And you

416
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:02.280
know, I have an open mind, you know. With that, said

417
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:07.199
Matt, and you bring up a
really good point. This does not mean

418
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:20.679
that one creature may be similar to
another creature of extraterrestrial origin. Only because

419
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:24.199
of the fact that it seems that
and I brought this up in the past,

420
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:32.280
a head that sits on the shoulders
with two appendage arms with opposable thumbs,

421
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:37.559
and on the thorax and legs,
it may be the perfect design,

422
00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:46.679
and therefore it was created that way
to bring another species from someplace else to

423
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:53.199
mimic something that is already an indigenous
creature here. So there could be two

424
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:59.320
different things that we're experiencing, but
yet it seems like the argument is it's

425
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:04.480
either one or the other. It
could be two different things all together.

426
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:09.239
And I've always had that argument with
myself going you know, with the flat

427
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:16.599
that happened in Pennsylvania, with this
red sphere that Stan Gordon reported that landed

428
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:23.000
on the farm that was bigger than
a farmhouse itself, and these two bigfoot

429
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:30.440
like creatures came out and you know, George fired to trace a rounds over

430
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:35.480
it. If you don't know that
story, it's fascinating within itself. But

431
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:44.440
these could be similar looking creatures,
but yet two entirely different type of creatures

432
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:49.599
altogether, not to be confused as
one. So you're saying that just because

433
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:57.239
you could have different different scenarios going
on at the same time and they don't

434
00:36:57.320 --> 00:36:59.639
have to be related at all.
What do they call that? Correlation?

435
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:05.119
Not causation, right, or you
know, not causation, And that's a

436
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:07.679
potentiality too, Like we have to
you know, acknowledge. But you know,

437
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.639
when you look at this just shit. By the sheer amount of dates,

438
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:17.159
So many of these accounts happened as
we start going through August of seventy

439
00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:22.320
three, like so much of this
is occurring, and when some of its

440
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:27.199
coming from newspaper articles, right,
but also I'm just trying to find some

441
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:30.079
of it. Once again, here's
the rotten eggs smelling bigfoot sighting on a

442
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:35.119
golf course. Again, people start
talking to the state police at the end

443
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:38.000
of August. August twenty fifth,
nineteen seventy three, that's the story where

444
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:44.079
a woman in a trailer cart court
saw a huge black creature around seven feet

445
00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:47.199
tall, rip open an electrical box
attached to a trailer, and as the

446
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:51.800
woman screamed, the creature fled and
it left behind a three toed prints.

447
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:53.599
So I talked about that earlier.
That happens right in the middle of all

448
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:59.840
this. Now you're talking about that
really interesting story as well with the you

449
00:37:59.920 --> 00:38:02.960
know what happened. I think that
happened was that the twenty October twenty fifth,

450
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:07.039
nineteen seventy three North Union. Yes, yes, yeah, now what

451
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:10.840
he's talking about, folks. For
those of you listening, a man and

452
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:15.679
two boys saw a UFO land in
a field. Upon investigating, they observed

453
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:20.119
two tall, hairy, bipedal creatures
walking along a fence line. The creatures

454
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:22.639
had matted, dirty brown hair,
glowing green eyes, broad shoulders, and

455
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:28.440
small necks. They walked stiff leg
giving them the giving them an overall robot

456
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:32.119
like appearance. The man shot at
the creatures, which caused the spherical UFO

457
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:37.320
that had landed in the field to
leave the area immediately. Although the witness

458
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:40.199
felt he didn't miss, the shots
had little effect on the strange creatures.

459
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:45.840
They simply turned around and traversed their
way back to the ufo along the fence.

460
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:50.599
Right, a luminescent ring on the
ground remained where the UFO had once

461
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:53.000
been. The witness left the area
and returned later with a state trooper.

462
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:58.679
Although the glowing ring near the ground
was still visible, its intensity had diminished.

463
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:02.920
Several hours later, the luminescent ring
completely dissipated. So they're talking about

464
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:07.199
this happening in twenty fifth Small Town
Monsters does a great reaction of this go

465
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:13.480
ahead vance right. No, when
the state trooper arrived at the scene,

466
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:19.960
he didn't make this specific statement that
the glow on the ground was still bright

467
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:24.119
enough to be able to read a
newspaper by. And the first round that

468
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:30.079
was shot at the creature was not
shot at the creature to kill it.

469
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.719
It was a trace around. If
you don't know what a trace around is,

470
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:37.599
it's a lit magnesium round to light
up the area, and it was

471
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:43.519
shot over the heads to try to
intimidate these creatures to move away, But

472
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:47.280
it was not shot at the creatures
to kill them. And there were two

473
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:52.480
of those tracer rounds that were fired. The third round was fired at the

474
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:58.960
creature because now they're being intimidated,
and that's when these creatures turn around and

475
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:00.840
walked away. I mean, and
they do a great reenactment of it through

476
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:05.840
the you know, animation and small
town monsters. What is innovation chestnut Ridge

477
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:08.000
is that where they tell the story
and so go check that out. It's

478
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:12.280
playing in the background, actually on
one of the monitors here in the back.

479
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.760
Sorry, Seth and team. Not
copyright infringement, it's just thematic.

480
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:22.719
Well, in November of seventy three
in Fayette County, a man shot at

481
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:27.599
supposed a bigfoot creature and it disappeared. He saw the same creature later and

482
00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:30.079
shot at the creature again. This
time the creature grunted and cried. So

483
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:35.920
you go from October to November you
get two bigfoots getting shots taken at,

484
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:39.400
which is interesting because you know,
you add some clarity when I read the

485
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:44.719
when I read the report that was
reported to an organization locally, it makes

486
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:47.119
it sound as if he took shots
at the sasquatch creatures. You know,

487
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:50.679
you're saying tracers, you know what
I mean. So there's differences in the

488
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:52.480
stories that we're getting, you know, and how they're portrayed, which is

489
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:54.760
interesting. I mean, it doesn't
mean anything, but it's just interesting.

490
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:59.400
On how those reports are interpreted and
then put out there on the internet,

491
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:01.559
and just going going through here some
more, just trying to see here we

492
00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:07.159
go. February sixth, nineteen seventy
four, one of the strangest things happening.

493
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:10.119
A woman heard a noise outside her
trailer, went to the doorway with

494
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:15.280
a sixteen gage shotgun, opened the
door and saw seven foot tall a white

495
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:19.320
creature in the doorway. She claims
to have shot at the creature and it

496
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:22.360
disappeared into the flash of light.
Her son, who lived nearby, went

497
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:27.440
to the area to investigate and saw
several hairy creatures there. He shot at

498
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:30.119
them with a pistol. A large
red light hovered over to a wooden section

499
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:35.320
about five hundred yards away during the
incident. So now take that February sixth,

500
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:39.239
nineteen seventy four, partner that with
the October twenty fifth, nineteen seventy

501
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:44.800
three, some very similar incidents happening
there. A witness was watching television when

502
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:46.639
he heard a noise on the back
porch. When the witness went to the

503
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:51.960
doorway to see out the back door, he saw a big hairy thing standing

504
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:54.480
on two legs, looking through the
screen door at him. The witness ran

505
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:58.840
back to the living room and grabbed
a loaded twenty two caliber handgun. He

506
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:01.679
then fired through the screen door at
the creature, and the creature ran off,

507
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:07.599
screaming. A neighbor heard the shots
and then the scream At the time,

508
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:09.880
he turned on all the lights in
the house and outside, but could

509
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:14.679
see nothing. The next day they
went to the area to see if they

510
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:16.840
could see anything. No clear footprints
were found, but you could see that

511
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:21.960
something big had run through the grass. The creature had also run through a

512
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.559
barbed wire fence that had the strength
to keep a fifteen hundred pound bull from

513
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:30.679
running through it. Right. Wow, So it's saying around that same time,

514
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:34.119
a group of young men were walking
along the railroad tracks in the evening

515
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:37.559
when they heard something running through the
brush on the hillside above them. They

516
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:39.880
look up to see a dark brown
animal running on two legs across the top

517
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:44.559
of the hollow above them. And
that's kind of the last story I got

518
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:47.559
around nineteen seventy four in that time. Anything you guys want to add to

519
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:51.800
those because if you for some reason, it's southwest Pa. They like to

520
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:57.400
take shots at this damn thing,
right, Well, say, I blame

521
00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:00.880
them well bing you know, vance
been a good point in the beginning,

522
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:06.480
being that the Patterson Gimmelin film wasn't
a huge thing, and that Bigfoot as

523
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:13.079
an animal wasn't considered a big thing
to reporting like that. The people outdoors

524
00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:16.519
may have saw it as an intrusive
animal, not as much bigfoot, like

525
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:20.239
hey, you know, that's kind
of bear like, but it's not a

526
00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:22.800
bear. But it's coming towards us. And they're already in the woods with

527
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:29.079
guns to hunt something else, so
like aggression's already up and they're like fight

528
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:31.119
or flight, and hey, I've
got her rifle, you know what I

529
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:35.719
mean. So I don't think it's
the same. I don't think it's the

530
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.280
same group that you would look at
today that might be in the woods or

531
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:44.239
out there to commune with nature or
to to you know, have a picnic,

532
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.639
or to you know, something like
you forage for mushrooms. These guys

533
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:52.239
were out there to hunt something else
and ran into this thing, so that

534
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:57.800
I think that their mindset was,
yeah, why not, We'll see what

535
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:00.960
it tastes like. You know.
Yeah, not a damn thing safe about

536
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:06.280
any of these scenarios that happened here. Gentlemen, Let me tell you orange,

537
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:08.360
back then that could be said to
these folks. You know, you

538
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:13.079
just talk about open doors and pulling
triggers like I mean, I guess you

539
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:15.440
didn't have to worry about the castle
doctrine back then. But my god,

540
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:19.159
these things are out there that you
know, with all these big foot shot

541
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:22.880
I'm surprised there's not been a body
that turned out somewhere. It's also a

542
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:29.239
time differential because back then you didn't
have the you know, security systems we

543
00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:32.719
have today, and you would call
a police officer if you got one,

544
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:36.239
he could be two hours before he
gets to you. So a lot of

545
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:39.920
people are ready for home defense.
Apparently they security systems in the world Smith

546
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:45.320
and Wesson and Remington plus yeah,
plus you're looking at the time variance is

547
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:49.519
like a lot of like you know, we were talking about how Sylviet Union

548
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:52.039
was considered the big red you know, scare and stuff like that. So

549
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.480
they were already on edge of somebody
coming to their house, you know,

550
00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:00.840
to start trouble. Yes, because
that's exactly where it's to happen with a

551
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:08.559
Soviet invasion in the farmlands of Westmoreland
County, Pennsylvania. Yeah, you got

552
00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:16.400
an entirely different culture. Yeah,
it's an entirely different culture and mindset at

553
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:24.119
that time period. Again, I
will mention there's no social media whatsoever.

554
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:30.400
All you had was three or four
channels on your television set. If you

555
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:37.719
came across something happens stance that presented
some information to you that you took an

556
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.599
interest in, okay, you're going
to take it to your local library.

557
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:45.920
What's the local library have at that
time, it did not have a whole

558
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:51.079
lot, So the fear factor kind
of raises the temperature quite a bit.

559
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:54.880
At that time. You're going to
have home defense, especially in the areas

560
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:59.360
in which we are talking about.
You're going to have that home defense,

561
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:02.440
and if something strange does happen,
what's the first thing you're going to do.

562
00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:07.920
You're in the Cold War right now
with Russia. Yeah, you're going

563
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:10.719
to fire on something, and if
something strange happens, you're going to report

564
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:20.320
it. I would be absolutely privileged
to the fact of how many reports were

565
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:28.920
not reported of being fired upon something
that either disappeared. We get one or

566
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:36.159
two of those reports, but I
wonder how many cases actually happened that were

567
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:40.199
not reported. That would be completely
fascinating. To what we're talking about right

568
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:45.679
now. You got to also look
at the fact that this is the same.

569
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:49.800
Yes, there's a difference in decades, but you know the fact that

570
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:52.360
you know, when they had the
radio would tell them that aliens were coming,

571
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:55.440
and people were actually afraid it was
going to happen. You know,

572
00:46:55.920 --> 00:47:04.039
there was civil civil disobedience, civil
unrest. You know, you're looking at

573
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:07.039
You're looking at the you know,
the end of the Vietnam War. You

574
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:14.199
know, you're looking at a lot
of people that were scared and didn't didn't

575
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:19.079
believe that if they couldn't protect their
family, you know, kind of like

576
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:22.320
gather around the family with the pocket
full of shells. You know, they

577
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:25.880
they believed that they couldn't protect the
family. Who could So when somebody they

578
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:30.679
didn't know hit the front door,
they were ready and sometimes they didn't think

579
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:36.079
before they shot, because in a
small town you could kill a man and

580
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.360
it was an accident by the time
the Federals came. You know, no,

581
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:46.039
very true my bigfoot UFO theory.
And I've taught to you Sean about

582
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:51.760
it, and I think we talked
about privately. So what the what the

583
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:58.760
theory is is people talk about UFOs
and Bigfoot uh together and they you know,

584
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:01.519
automatically associated that, Okay, Bigfoot's
coming, you know, it must

585
00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:07.360
be an alien. The way I
figured it is, we have people that

586
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:13.400
claim that they are abducted. So
how many people are there in the world?

587
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:22.400
Seven billion? So you have a
small population of humanoid creatures, yeah,

588
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:30.079
that are maybe I don't know,
you know, maybe anywhere from fifteen

589
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:35.119
hundred, you know, individuals to
you know, maybe fifty thousands spread throughout

590
00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:39.079
North America. If UFOs are coming
through to like abduct people and you know,

591
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:45.119
do their bad things, don't you
think that there's only a smaller population,

592
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:51.039
so you're you're gonna see more UFOs
trying to find these big harry creatures

593
00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:53.199
that are out in the woods because
there's so few of them. Man.

594
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:55.760
I think you make a good point
on that, and it's something that you

595
00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:59.280
and I have talked about in the
past, and I'm glad you brought it

596
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:02.639
up, particularly in this show,
because I believe there was also somebody who

597
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:08.559
was abducted that reported seeing other animals
and creatures that were also being held in

598
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:12.400
the craft with them. And it
makes sense that, you know, if

599
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:15.840
this being is native to our planet, the Sasquatch right, that it would

600
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:21.840
be one of those creatures that would
potentially be of interest to the our extraterrestrial

601
00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:23.559
visitors. I mean, I think
we'd say for us to say now that

602
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:30.639
we know we're being visited by beings
from another planet, without being conspiracy theorists

603
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:35.400
or crazy. Nonetheless, Matt,
your points, your point to me is

604
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:38.320
valid and on point in that respect. But as you know, we talked

605
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:44.920
about guys for fifty years. You
know, fifty years ago this became this

606
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:50.840
flap. The hundreds of reports and
witnesses that came forth and had these experiences

607
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:57.320
in coinciding with one another, it
can't go unnoticed and it can't go unremarked.

608
00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:00.920
And Stanying Gordon, who's been in
the forefront for that for a long

609
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:05.039
time, doctor Paul who's been more
behind the scenes, and the other researchers

610
00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:08.039
that investigated at that time, they
went through some strange shit, and they

611
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:14.920
went through a very interesting time that
I don't know if we'd ever experience in

612
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:19.159
our heyday we did, would it
be as dramatic as it was back then.

613
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:22.719
And I think there's something else to
say for the fact that a lot

614
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:30.400
of that activity has ceased that you're
not getting hundreds of reports like that happening.

615
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:32.880
And Matt that could be right back
to the point you made earlier.

616
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:37.679
It was the Cold War. We
are experimenting with nuclear energy and we know

617
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:43.559
that that leaves isotopes and it leaves
residue, and if it's something these things

618
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:46.719
were looking forward to as a sign
of what maybe that's how they measure intelligent

619
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:51.119
life. You know, Star Trek
always used the you know, warp drive.

620
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:54.039
Did they had the ability to you
know, what if they're the extraterrestrial

621
00:50:54.079 --> 00:51:00.119
equivalent. So that was nuclear you
know, harnessing nuclear power and again and

622
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.840
that's a lot of scipercal No,
I get it right, But I mean

623
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:07.559
it's a thought process, the logic
that's there right right. I would say

624
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:16.159
too that in this timeframe of the
early nineteen seventies, the lack of technology

625
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:22.400
which we have in our lapse today, it brought a romanticism to it,

626
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:28.000
if that makes any sense to anybody. You could only communicate through CB or

627
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:34.360
Ham radio, through a dial telephone. This is how you were communicating all

628
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:42.000
your information of things that were just
not explainable at the time. Very lack

629
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:50.159
of technological communication at that time,
and when Stan Gordon was compiling all this

630
00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:55.440
information, he's face to face with
all the information that he needs to be

631
00:51:55.519 --> 00:52:01.840
given to present that information to the
general public. Because it wasn't a social

632
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:07.000
media event at that time. You
had to literally do face to face,

633
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:15.360
do a report, get the emotion
physically of what the witnesses experienced, and

634
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:22.719
then transpons that upon all of us. It's a whole different environment today.

635
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:30.880
The technology today is kind of and
excuse the term, but retarding the emotion

636
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:36.920
of what is experienced today. Yeah, go ahead, Sean. To illustrate

637
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:38.800
the point you're making, if you
see that photograph of stand up in the

638
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:44.119
corner with all that electronics behind it, is radio communications there, right.

639
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:46.719
Yeah, you know, that's what
it took to communicate long distance. You

640
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:51.480
know. I remember my great grandmother
having a CB setup like that in her

641
00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:54.000
in her house and she'd be able
to talk to people long distance with her.

642
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:59.000
She had a massed antenna and my
great grandma loved her CB man.

643
00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:01.880
She could talk to people everywhere.
That's how you communicated. That was the

644
00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:06.000
social networking of the time. You
had a handle. I remember my PABs

645
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:10.079
was Muddy Buddy and the big money
monster. It's funny that you brought that

646
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:14.960
up. You know, this was
muddy buddy, and wow, that's awesome.

647
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:17.119
But you also got to realize back
in that day, it was the

648
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:22.480
days of the newspaper and the barber
shop and the beauty shop, where people

649
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:25.599
talked at the diners and stuff like
that. And the thing was is we

650
00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:30.679
didn't have the we don't we have
the ability now to if I want to

651
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:37.280
say something, I can reach thousands
of people within five minutes if I hit

652
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:40.440
the right forums. I didn't have
that back then. And if your story

653
00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:46.280
wasn't something that the editor wanted to
hear, you were shut off. Yeah,

654
00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:52.159
you were touching. Well, there's
not this like there's conspiracy theories and

655
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:54.119
there's whatever. But you realize that
if we were working on the days of

656
00:53:54.159 --> 00:54:00.719
the newspaper and the and the small
town gossipers, you couldn't say a lot

657
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:04.920
of the stuff that we say now
because somebody in some room would go stuff

658
00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:08.800
listening to the baker, and then
I would basically have been silence. I

659
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:12.400
don't know that's much different today.
We just have a lot more freedom with

660
00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:16.239
it. Yeah, but I could
find the worst thing is we've had this

661
00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:21.480
conversation of multiple times. I could
take a picture of the river, make

662
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:23.199
a circle, and I could get
a hundred people to believe me I saw

663
00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:27.400
NeSSI in this Susquehanna, and then
those one hundred could turn it into a

664
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:30.320
thousand. In a small town,
I could chose somebody a picture with a

665
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:35.480
circle and they'd be like, go
home, Baker, get drunk, fair

666
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:38.000
enough, And that's you know,
the newspaper was how these stories were told.

667
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:42.000
They can't tell you how many of
these I was looking up tonight that

668
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:45.480
were taken right from the newspaper.
They weren't even necessarily investigated by the research

669
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:49.280
organization. You just put right out
there, go ahead. No, I

670
00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:52.920
was gonna say. You know,
if you came up with something like that,

671
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:57.719
you would be shunned, you know, from your community. But really

672
00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:02.800
the only thing you had was church, bars, the diner, and really

673
00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:07.239
the newspaper that was that was it. You know, if you look at

674
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:10.320
some of these old time newspapers,
you'll actually see you they'll actually have little

675
00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:16.000
gossip columns where they'll say, Sean
Forker left, you know, left his

676
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:22.079
house to go to Monteursville. You
know, on this day you know,

677
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:25.280
it's just weird, weird stuff that
they would have. But if something came

678
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:30.280
up that and I always looked for, especially in the local papers where I

679
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:34.199
live, for any sort of you
know, the wild man, the the

680
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:37.239
you know, gorilla or there's been
actually a lot of mountain lion signings,

681
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:43.320
so I looked for for those.
And every so often you'll you'll get something

682
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:46.079
like that, but it'll be all
the way, you know, on the

683
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:51.599
on the third page, at the
bottom column. And it's something that the

684
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:54.320
editors didn't want to you know,
didn't want to put on their front page.

685
00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:59.239
You know that right, you know
there's something something weird in the woods.

686
00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:01.760
Yeah, they've we didn't want to
turn it into a tabloid newspaper.

687
00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:07.480
No I did it just tabloid column, yes, yes, no, fascinating

688
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:10.360
guys. I'd also be remissed to
say we did get a phone call last

689
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:15.559
night. I was talking to you
guys about it ago from Miss Grady out

690
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:17.960
in Loser And County, who had
a very interesting tidbit to share with us

691
00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:23.360
that while doing renovations and homes,
he came across a wood carving in one

692
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:29.159
of the barns from eighteen oh two
of a large hairy figure carved in the

693
00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:32.760
barn. So it was pretty interesting
and some interesting cool encounters he had out

694
00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:36.960
that way. He's going to stay
in touch with us. But I talked

695
00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:39.480
to him for over a half an
hour last night about interesting things happened in

696
00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:45.599
Loser and County. So more to
come from Grady fingers crossed that you too

697
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we want to thank you for tuning
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714
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:08.480
a lot. This only scratched the
surface again of these topics. I feel

715
00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:13.159
like an hour it's just not enough. No kidding, it's not. It's

716
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:15.960
not. But you know that's why
we have more episodes and we can come

717
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:21.599
back and revisit this topic. I'm
Sean Forker, that's James Baker, Matt

718
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:23.920
Arner, Vance Nesbit, Henry May
who's been on and off. We hope

719
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:28.239
he's okay with the bad weather.
And if Henry was here, what would

720
00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:31.920
he say, Vance, y'all be
good or be good at it? All?

721
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:36.559
Right, folks, we'll see next
week. Our episode is going to

722
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723
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