EP 79: J Michael Long - Filmmaker

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Is. Of course, we are
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always, listener discretion is advised on
what are your putting? We got someone

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or something crawling around out here?
Does a legend walk among us working in

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the forests of our world? Did
you see what it was? Well?

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Did a person or an animal?
Or I can't go all that knowledge that

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my dner light came on and I
get happened a glimp and see this thing

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running across the yard, a good
side man or something. It looked like

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a man. I don't know what
it was. For over fifteen years we've

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talked with scientists, searchers, investigators, and witnesses trying to gain insult and

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proof around the existence of this mysterious
entity. S here, Hello, get

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somebody out of here? What's going? Announces their thought able pictures about sixty

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foot All right, I don't know
easy, announce their yes, I'm booking

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right out. Oh okay? On
is right? Is he your yard?

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Sir? Yeah, go out your
picture. Okay, what do you do

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in your yard? What can I
bring you? Join us as we continue

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into the investigation of the Sasquatch Experience. And good evening everyone, Welcome to

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the Sasquatch Experience. One day,
September twenty five, twenty twenty three.

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Guys, it's been a while since
we've been on the air, but we're

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back. It's been a couple of
weeks. We've got a lot going on.

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We've been from here to West Virginia
and back. We've been to the

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Mothman Festival. Some of us were
abducted and impersonated by the Men in Black.

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What an exciting weekend, a couple
of weeks we've had just being with

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our friends out in Point Pleasant,
West Virginia, Vance Bike. It was

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good to be with you, guys. Henry Matt you were missed, and

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of course our special yesternight, Jay
Michael. Will get him in here in

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just a second. But guys,
just some quick thoughts on moth Man.

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I'd love to hear what you were
thinking. I had an amazing time for

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a plethora of different reasons. However, it was my first time to go

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to the T and T area,
and I just absorbed everything and I don't

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know, I just became part of
the environment there to understand what happened back

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in nineteen sixty seven out of that
area. So it was a privilege.

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And to hang out with you guys
and have breakfast that was just the cap

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and the icing on the cake.
It was great. We only got one

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meal together. We were there for
the whole weekend. We had some island

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noodles, was the last sunder.
The island noodles were yeah, fantastic.

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Yeah, but it was a good
time. The weather was perfect aside from

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Sunday morning. The weather was perfect
for the entire weekend. No, it

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wasn't. It didn't rain during the
whole during the haywarde Oh yeah, so

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a wait, because we were out
there on foot hecky the Hey Ride goers

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as the men in Black. It
was a lot of fun. We really

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did have a lot of fun.
By the way, guys, that was

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six to eight Hey rides an hour
for six hours. We were original material,

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all improv I mean, kudos Debake
and Jeff Thomas and myself. I'm

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giving myself a pat on the back
for that. It's hard enough doing that

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in real suits. By the way, and I wore dress shoes. I

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really committed to the part. No, this was completely authentic. It was

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very authentic. Yes, Jay,
I wore actual dress shoes. And I

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guess sometimes I forget I'm a sizeable
fellow because I didn't manage to jump on

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one of the trailers and heckled the
goers. And then as I got up

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there, I'm like, well,
shit, at some point I have to

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get down and this isn't going to
stop. So to quote John Pinett,

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but he's a law I should obey. I learned the hard way. I

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did dismount, but I did do
a little. It's okay. No one

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was hurt seismically or physically. Point
pleasant was not a victim of my calamity.

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But it was a great weekend.
But Bake or any take go ahead,

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Jake. They're probably casting your footprints
where you jumped. Right now.

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I'm wondering what was so ahead that
made this. Yeah, they're gonna be

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h They're gonna be more circular than
footprint shaped, you know as money bill

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rigby high bill. Go ahead,
Bay. I really enjoy the festival every

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year because it's it's the one festival
that I go to that there are no

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real experts compared to like maybe Walmsley
and a few other ones, but they're

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not. It's not like when you
go to some of these like big Foot

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Festival, there's always like I've got
better evidence or I've got whatever. Like

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the Mothman is just a mixture of
all kinds of weirdness and everybody's just like

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waiting in line for noodles. Yeah, I know, and everybody's happy.

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You know, there's no even the
speakers aren't like trying to work, you

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know, like they're like, hey, this is what we know about this,

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or they'll talk about South And I
always love that Star Wars crowd is

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there, and the Ghostbusters are there, Mountain Monsters was there, so miss

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Trapper moth Boys, right, moth
Boys were there. I can't remember his

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name, but he's the guy who
always dressed like he's like a forest ranger.

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Tin. Okay, I'm gonna go
on mute because you know train,

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you're the train to come. That's
okay. It only goes through his laundry

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room. It's not a big deal. No, did we mute everybody or

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just happened? No? No,
I don't think so. But Henry,

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you were missed at Mothman. That
would have been a complete puzzled piece to

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have had you there too. But
it'll happen one day, I know it

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will. Yeah, hopefully crossing my
fingers, Yeah, cross bowl fingers.

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Why not anyway, Wow, what
a gap? Well what happened here?

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There's a gap there, There's a
huge gap. But nonetheless, to wrap

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up, you know, the whole
moth Man thing, it was a privilege

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to hang out with plethora of friends
there that are researchers, and you know,

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they dive into all the aspects of
the cryptid world, not just Bigfoot,

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but they do dive into all of
it, and they have a very

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intellect opinion on everything that's about all
these subjects altogether. And that's one thing

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about Mothman. It's just not focused
solely on Mothman. It's all the cryptids

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that are within the region that are
focused on. So you have people from

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all different genres and yeah, it's
kind of turning into a little bit more

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of a cause play festival, but
I think at heart it's still the Mothman

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Festival. So I would try to
wrap it up at that and you know,

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we'll get into our whole bigfoot thing, because you know, after all,

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that's why we're here. We're talking
about the eighteen inch footprints that are

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found and the research that continues.
And you know, if anybody wants to

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add to that, please jump in
at any moment and and tell us what

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what has been discovered within recent days. Well, I was going to say

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one it probably one of the biggest
things I came up since the last time

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we met, was the discovery of
the uh the mine at Ape Canyon.

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Oh yes, uh so I heard. You know, I think Cliff Rockman

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was down there. There was a
few others I guess are they're actually descendants

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of the miners that that had the
that had the cabin at Ape Canyon,

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and uh it was I believe a
great grandson had. Actually you went down

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and actually discovered where the mine was, Henry, do you know anything more

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about that? Or Wow? I
know that Mark Mark Moisselle has been diligently

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researching the Ape Canyon story and where
the location of the cabin was, and

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he's pretty sure he found it.
So and it's an amazing story. If

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if you read his little book with
about Ape Canyon, it's really well,

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really well written, really well done. Yeah, definitely. And so I

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mean they were saying that there was
there's possibly in this mine shaft, which

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is a little dangerous to get to, uh and to go inside. Just

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getting there in itself is life threatening. But once you do get inside that

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there are supposed to be actually tools
that the players left behind on their way

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up and uh so that would definitely
be interesting for people to check out.

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So that was definitely definitely big,
big news over the over the last couple

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of weeks since we've been on Oh
well, I would say, and not

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only big news, but that's huge
news because that that puts nails into the

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into the coffin of the entire story. Yeah. Wow, because without that

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discovery of the mind, because that's
why they were there. Wow that I

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haven't heard this until now, So
now I'm completely enthralled in that whole and

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that whole thing. Holy cow.
Wow, I can't even inform words right

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now. That's great. After they
after they were throwing the rocks the sasquatch

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onto the cabin, they abandoned and
left it. Yes, oh yes,

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any tools left in there with literally
the tools they were using that day,

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yes, yes, And I know
that they did find the campsite itself that

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was that was a couple of years
ago, and but they're still in the

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process. They have original beams,
uh from the cabinet itself, they have

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uh you know, but I guess
there's so much debris because it's so close

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to Mount Saint Helen's, so there's
uh, there's been debris that that's really

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changed that landscape over over the last
was forty years since uh, since that

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occurred, you know, since the
Mount Saint Helen's occurred. But uh,

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there's still the possibility, yeah,
absolutely that that they'll find a lot of

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relics in there. And again they're
stuff like that back in that day.

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That was not cheap for those guys
to It's not like they had Walmart and

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they can they can run down and
get picks and shovels. Stay they put

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their life savings into in defining uh
you know, getting these materials to go

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out there. So so it's for
them to leave that there, it really

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adds credence to the to the legend
you mentioned Mountain Helen's when it blew,

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it sort of destroyed that whole area, right, Absolutely, get into it,

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yep, yep, absolutely so.
Well listen while we have Well,

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Sean's there all right, So I
was king Jay. Thanks Jay, if

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you can introduce yourself to the uh, you know, to people in the

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audience, I mean not you know, I know who you are. Yes,

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yeah, sure I can do that. I'm Jay Michael Long and the

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J is not Ja wis J period. And I became a documentary filmmaker in

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two thousand and eight. I've got
about fifty to seventy five titles out right

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now. Most of them were on
UFOs and aliens and ancient aliens and conspiracy

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theories, things like that, because
my executive producer that's what he tends to

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hand me to do. I've done
a couple of big Foot things. I

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started in getting interested in all of
this and seventy three when two guys in

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Pascagoula were abducted and I saw a
UFO that same night. And I've always

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been interested in in UFOs and things
of that nature. And then, of

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course, like most of us,
in nineteen seventy three, I went to

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the theater watch a little movie called
The Legend of Bogy Creek. There you

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go right here. For me,
I wouldn't go in the woods for a

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year after watching that movie because I
was like terrified there was a folk monster

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in there or something. And I
loved the movie and been interested in Sasquats

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since then. Around nineteen ninety eight, I produced a CD rom on let's

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say, I did one on the
ISS, but I also did one that

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had to do with like UFOs based
stuff and all like that, and I

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figured, well, I'm going to
throw a section in on sasquatch also,

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and I put it in there,
and I had to do some research to

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do that, and you know,
got to thinking about the movie in seventy

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three and some weird things that had
happened to me, and I decided that,

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well, I'm I'm really wanting to
explore this bitfoot thing. So I

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started going to meetings of the gcb
R O and I got invited to go

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to a couple of picnic things that
they would have out in Monster Central,

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and you know, really fascinated by
the whole thing. I've had one encounter

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myself that I'm convinced it was a
southern Sasquatch, and then another one that

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I really don't know what I was
seeing. But the one that I saw

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that in Louisiana ran across a little
cutthrough road going back to like rounding in

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the wood, surrounding with the edge
of a cornfield, and getting deeper and

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deeper down into Monster Central, and
I saw it run across the road.

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I didn't tell anybody what I saw
because it didn't fit what I was hearing

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from people about this creature. I
had seen an image of as muston Villas.

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Musson had drawn it of a sasquatch
and all four and it was basically

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been at the waist, long legs, long arms, and it was walking

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almost like a dog would walk or
something like that. But what I saw

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was very great, flat to the
ground, and ran across that cutthrough,

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and I thought, I wasn't sure
what I saw, and so I didn't

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tell anybody because I was like,
that doesn't fit what we're supposed to be

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out here looking for. We're supposed
to be looking for a big foot,

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you know, the across the sasquatch
and this thing, the way that it

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moved across the ground was impossible for
me to to figure out how it was

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doing it. And if you want
me to, I'll go into that.

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But anyway, i'd seen that.
I saw a down around south Mississippi.

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I lived in Mississippi at the time
and around the Beaumont area and in Desota

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National Forest. There was a group
of us that gathered sometimes thirty forty fifty

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people. And this is before all
the TV shows and stuff. We were

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just kind of as a community down
there. People were coming together to listen

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into the woods because we were people
were reporting seeing and seeing them and hearing

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them how and so we would all
just started. It started as just a

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few people and it grew to like
thirty forty folks. But I had got

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there early one day and had a
digital camera in my hand. This isn't

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important, And I got out of
the car and I stood beside my car

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looking into the woods. Understand that
how visually showed this. Desoda National Force

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was on this side of the road, and Camp Shelby is on the other

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side of the roads. This whole
road running down through the woods. You

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turn around, you look one way, you're looking at Desoda National Forest.

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You turn around, you look at
the other way. You're looking into this,

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I mean into Camp Shelby. So
I was standing there and when I

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got out of the car and looking
into the area towards Camp shelby in the

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forest there, and there's a kind
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something with like a head and shoulders, and my mind, immediately, I'm

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kind of a skeptic myself, but
my minding me he at least, said,

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paradolia, You're just seeing a collection
of leaves and shadows and all that

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kind of looks like a head and
shoulders. And I was actually just kind

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of laughing to myself about, g
you know, that looks like there's a

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big foot there, but I didn't
think it actually was. So I turned

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around, I turned to the right, I turned behind me, and I

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turned back and I turned to face
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The shape was gone. And I
thought to myself, well, maybe it's

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just a collection of shadows and things
like that. So I'm like shifting over

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here trying to get it to sort
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do it. And I walked around
the car directly in front of it and

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walked straight into the woods to stand
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it was actually a kind of a
clearing of hollowed out area there in the

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woods, and the ground was depressed, the straw on the ground. There

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was no footprints, but you you
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And I was like, wow,
maybe there really was something here or

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somebody here. And so I turned
around and looked to see what my car

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would look like from its vantage point, and you could clearly see me and

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and I'm looking at my digital camera. If I had just thought to take

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a picture of it, then I
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and I could compare the two.
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had the camera in my hand,
I didn't take a picture. I wish

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I could say that was an uncommon
event, that's more common than any you

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know. What's what's more, you
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is that in your mind the first
thing that comes to mind, I'm

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just seeing things. This is a
mirrage. I don't know if if you

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had that sighting today, as experienced
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would you have the same thought process
or would you build Maybe? But at

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the time, I mean I should
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had, but I was. I
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know, we always looked for a
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over, that's got to be what
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walked out of the wood and one
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up showed up, and I told
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don't report it as a bigfoot sighting
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And I started thinking about it.
I'm facing the area of Camp Shelby

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Dasoda National Forest behind it, and
my skeptical mind searching for something that might

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explain what I saw. I thought, well, what if it was a

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guy in a Gillie stick and he's
a sniper, and he's training at Camp

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Shelby, the base, and he
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of the base, so it would
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I pull up at a car and
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I wonder if he thought, maybe
I've been spotted, you know, they

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found me. But I never said
anything, never did anything. I just

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looked in that area and then I
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he left. So in my you
know, trying to think of something that

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might explain it, I thought,
well, it could have been a guy

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to Gillisi, but to this day. I don't say it was a big

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foot. I don't know what it
was. All I know is that I

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saw this shape in the woods that
was in thirty seconds of being able to

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turn around, it was gone.
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the one that I saw in Louisiana, I'm now convinced that that's what that

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was. That was a sasquatch and
it was very low to the ground and

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it ran across a cut through,
was there. Yeah, I was gonna

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say, going back to the Louisiana
in counter, could you tell us like

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a little more detail, like what
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night? And particularly how it crossed
the road? You said it went flat

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And there's a couple of questions I
may have about that. Okay. We

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were in the back of a pickup
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I never even told this Rick Tullis, but I was talking to him.

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We're sitting on the tailgate and the
truck's going down through the woods and

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we were making it turn to go
like deeper into the woods. We're sitting

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there, we're talking to each other, and I looked over his shoulder as

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he was talking, and this thing
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it was kind of this angle.
It ran across the road at an

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angle. To describe it, this
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in my mind trying to understand.
It was very flat to the ground,

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like it's belly couldn't have been more
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It put it foot feet forward,
and it would put its hands down

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and pull like that. Now,
it's back legs were not up in any

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way. The knees were bent and
the feet were flat on the ground.

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This thing is squatted all the way
down to the ground and its feet are

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flat on the ground. Paus were
flat, and it pulled itself and then

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was kind of pushing with the back
legs. Now, the thing about that

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is if you look at your foot
or your hand, you cannot bend the

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top of your hand and turn.
You can't do that. Humans cannot do

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this. You can't do it your
foot either. This thing did this thing.

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When it put its back legs down
and bent forward, the top of

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the toes and the top of the
foot touched the bottom of the shin or

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the knee, and it pushed that
way. The hands did this thing when

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it came back this far, its
hands were always flat on the ground,

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and it's scowed it very quickly across
that cut through area and into the woods.

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That's creepy as hell. I know. Human beings cannot do that.

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And though can't do that that I
know of, Sean, have we not

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heard of the fact of these things
do what we quote the spider crawl?

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Yeah? Very The reports of the
spider crawl few and far between, but

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are have been reported in a very
similar movement that you're just you're talking about,

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Jay Matt. I think you know
that's probably if I knew where you

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were going, probably along the lines
of questions you were going to ask next

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because of because I go ahead,
yeah, go ahead to ask the question.

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Well, the one the one thing
is is when you see set that

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the hands and the and the feet
had that it had that ability to go

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all the way back. It was
it splayed out in other words, where

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the uh where the feet in the
in the hands very far out from the

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body or was it was very tight
against the body when it did Okay,

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So when it was there, yeah, moving like this, the back was

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perfectly flat, Okay, the head
was rounded but it's like that, you

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know, because it is up rounded, no snout, rounded like head,

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flat back, no tail. I
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And it ran like you know,
it was like going okay. Thing it

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was also was it was either wet
or oily skin because there was a full

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moon that night, and it glistened
as it ran across there. You could

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just see the light reflecting off of
it that it was like jet black but

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had a glisten to it. And
it was enough light that I could see

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what its feet and all we're doing, and it just it guarded very quickly

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when it went across there was there
anything else you can you said about the

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head being more of like a round
shape, no snout. Did you get

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to see the face because it was
at a slight angle, but I didn't

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get to look like directly into the
face. Yeah, And I think it's

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as I recall it, its face
kind of wobbled a little too as it

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was going okay. Now, I
didn't get a clear look, but I

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did know that there was no snout
okay, and it was a roundish head

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rather than like you know, a
panther or something. It would have happened,

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no visible here or so I could
see. How about size? Uh,

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do you think that this was something
that was uh, you know,

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six or some feet tall, bigger, smaller. I think that if it

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stood up, it was at least
six foot tall. Okay, man,

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it was big. It was shoulders, but it like this, you know,

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it was running yea on a small
back. You know, you could

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tell the back was small, but
their chest obviously must have been bigger.

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But again, it's it's down like
this. If it stood up, it

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probably would have looked bigger and whiter
and even store you know, but it

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was ba like that, and I
wouldn't. I didn't say anything about it

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and talk about it with anybody.
I thought, well, I don't know

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what you saw, but you didn't
see a big foot. Big foot's don't

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do that. And I was afraid
that, you know, people might laugh

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at me everywhere. I don't know
what you saw, you know, I

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think we're out here. Look.
Yeah. So years later, trying to

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think of his name, Michael Humphrey, we were at another event, a

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meeting kind of thing, and he
told a story of what he saw and

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it was identical, okay, only
the different was the one he saw was

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coming straightforward him, realized he was
there, freaked out for a second,

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and then turned and scoot it off
to get away. And once I heard

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that, to me, that was
validation. Okay, now somebody else has

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seen what I saw, and this
part of what people see. So now

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I'll talk. And you didn't put
it out there. No people would think

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he's just trying to come up with
a story or something, you know,

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or no, that's not what we're
out here looking for. We're looking for

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big foot, you know. Well, and that's interesting. That's interesting.

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And when we come back from the
break real quick, we'll jump right back

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into this. H Jay Folks,
Sean Forker, Henry made, James Baker,

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Vance has been mad Mar Arner,
and tonight's guest Jay Michael Long.

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We'll be right back after this brief
message, well sort of brief, but

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we'll see. On the flip side
team, I'll sit it is the big

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quick bullhorn exclusively on the Sasquatch experience. I hope you're all having a wonderful

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Monday night. As we were chit
chatting about the Mothman Festival, a point

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Pleasant, West Virginia, asked James
Baker about desert dry triangles with a hint

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of apple flavors sprinkled with sugar.
It was all part of a breakfast on

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our depart out of Point Pleasant,
West Virginia. Actually to be technical Gallipolish

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or Gallapolis or Gallipolis. There are
several ways that people pronounce that. But

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nonetheless, enough of my ramblings.
Let's get on with an unusual news story

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out of Florida. No, it's
not a Florida man's story, but a

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Florida authority had killed an alligator that
was seen with human remains in its mouth.

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Say what now, No, that's
never happened before. A large alligator

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was killed by officials after it was
seen with human remains in its mouth in

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the Tampa Bay area of Florida.
JaMarcus Bullard said he witnessed the horrific scene

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in a canal and unincorporated Largo before
reporting the sighting to authorities on Friday.

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When the scene turned gruesome, Bullard
hit his record button on his phone.

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Well, of course he did.
The thirteen foot eight and a half inch

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mail alligator was humanely killed. Sure, you violently kill a person, but

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you get to be humanely killed and
removed from the water with assistance from Florida

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Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission. The
Sheriff's office had identified the deceased person as

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forty one year old Sabrina Peckham.
The manner and cause of death is pending

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an investigation and is on officials said. My guess is she died by,

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Oh, I don't know, an
alligator. It's not yet known whether the

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alligator killed Peckham, but recent high
profile alligator attacks on humans have left some

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Floridians on edge. In February,
an alligator killed an eighty five year old

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woman in Fort Pierce while she was
trying to save her dog, and then

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two weeks later, a man survived
a bite after opening his front door to

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a gator. Note to sell,
don't open your front door if they're an

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alligating when we come back. An
announcement to be made out of Tennessee.

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well, it's announcement time. This

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is an up and coming event on
Saturday, October forteenth if you want to

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make your travels to Tennessee to the
Tennessee Wildman and Cryptid Con. The address

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for this event is one zero two
zero Jackson Hill Road in Burns, Tennessee.

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Here's a little bit of the history
across the volunteer state. A myriad

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of local and regional names stand for
bigfoot like creatures, scene and encountered just

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outside local townships and communities. From
the Flintville Monster to the White Screamer of

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White Bluff, to Old Green Eyes
of Lookout Mountain and the Screaming Jacks of

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the Cumberland Plateau. Reports of a
hairy wildman have remained constant across the ages.

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This year's special speaker at the Tennessee
Wild man and cryptocon is Ronald Moorehead,

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or well known to us as Ron
Moorehead, who was the author of

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Quantum Bigfoot and producer of the infamous
Sierra Sounds Bigfoot recordings. Tickets range anywhere

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in price from twenty dollars to five
hundred dollars, and I think for five

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hundred dollars you'll probably get to sleep
and at tent with Ron Moorehead with an

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audio recording device of some sort.
I don't know, I'm just made that

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part up. Thanks for listening to
this edition of The Bigfoot Bullhorn exclusively on

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the Sasquatch Experience, and as always, remember keep your toes in the mud.

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Thanks Vance for the news segment there
and your fantasy role playing of an

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evening with Ron Moorehead. That's a
great way to close that out. Yeah.

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Thanks folks, Sasquatch Experience the Monday
night show you've all been waiting for,

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and we don't know why you do, but we're glad you're here.

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Of course. Sean Forker, James
Baker, Henry May, Matt Arner,

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Vance has bitten tonight's guest Jay Michael
long Jay. Before we took a break,

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you were talking to us about your
bigfoot sightings plural. We were going

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back to the Louisiana siding and that
strange crawl, and just briefly we were

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talking about the you know, you
had expectations of what bigfoot was in the

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South and then you see something that's
completely different than what you expected exactly,

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and that's not unusual for this that
part of this country, as we come

411
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to know, right and as your
research, I'm sure you've found out.

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Well, yeah, later on,
you know, there was another person on

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one of the forums on Facebook that
described the exact same thing, and he's

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from Texas over here. And so
later as I began to search for more

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stories about how they walk at all
fours, the image I had in my

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mind was at that time billis Musan
had drawn in a painting of a sasquatch

417
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and it was it was standing.
It was like you've been at the waist

418
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like this, and the legs were
long and the pall the arms were long,

419
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and it was walking like say a
dog would. In my mind,

420
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that's what I thought a a bigfoot
on all fours looked like. And this

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is what was accepted apparently, is
that's what they looked like. So when

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it was that load of the ground
and its knees, we were been up

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to its sides and his arms doing
the push pull thing and his legs doing

424
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the push thing. I was like
that that didn't fit, you know,

425
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And so I was afraid to say
anything about it. I thought people would

426
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look at me like you are crazy, you know, And I didn't want

427
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to be thought of as crazy,
so I didn't say anything about it.

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I didn't until Michael had another event. Humphrey I think it was his name,

429
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I don't know. Anyway, he
described the same thing, only he

430
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described it coming towards it noticed him. Both of them sort of flipped out

431
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for a second, and then it
darted off. But he described that same

432
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motion. And you called it a
spider walk. I've never heard that term.

433
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So tell me what a spider walk
is. Well, I don't mean

434
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to interrupt. That only came to
me. That only came to me from

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West West Skirmer and his experience,
and he referred to it as a spider

436
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walk. And when it did that, it used its fingers to prop its

437
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hands off the ground and to propel
itself forward, and he referred to it

438
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as a spider walk. And from
there on end. I just that's how

439
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I coined that phrase as a spider
walk, but not that that's actually a

440
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thing. But I don't know if
he saw it actually used its fingers to

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help propel, or if it was
just the hands itself with the fingers,

442
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you know, sprayed and I don't
know. It's just kind of crazy and

443
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creepy. Yeah, this was creepy
enough, but its hands were flat on

444
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the ground. I never noticed the
thing that came up. We had gone

445
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back, we probably would have gotten
very good handprints and the back feet prints

446
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because they were flat the whole time. But you know, I didn't say

447
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anything, you know, Matt,
Was it Sibylla who did the kind of

448
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the artists rendition of that? I
believe so, yes, And that's why

449
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you asked, yeah, And that's
why I asked whether it was the hands

450
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were in or if they were wide
out. One of the renditions that that

451
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we've seen from and heard from from
witnesses is, uh, the arms will

452
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be out wide and the legs will
actually splay out as well, allowing the

453
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body then to to be close to
the ground and having the there'll be coordination

454
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between the between the hands and the
feet uh, you know, like you

455
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would with it like a dog,
but yet it's so down to the ground

456
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almost like it's doing a push up
with supper body. But then the lower

457
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body as well is almost in a
similar position. And again you're talking about

458
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an animal which may have a different
hip structure than we do. Uh,

459
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so it would be it would be
out is similar to the top half like

460
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a push up and just going back
and forth like that, which is pretty

461
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dark scary if you if you ask
think about the the month structure in order

462
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to do that. That's a balls
of my mind. Uh wow. Then,

463
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but even thinking for for how jay
is is talking about the movement there,

464
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I could see I can see something, you know, doing that,

465
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particularly if it if it is trying
to remain low profile, doesn't want to

466
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be seen, you know, especially
now it has to cross the road.

467
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But if it's going through brush,
if it's going through uh something like that,

468
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and uh, you know, I
could definitely see there's something going through

469
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like that. You know. If
you if you can imagine your elbows are

470
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it's like this, and you're straight
with your body, and now imagine your

471
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legs are the same way. Yeah, all the way up to your side.

472
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They're not you know, splayed out
like that. They're their arm and

473
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your knee are passing each other as
you're doing this yep, and almost kind

474
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of like it's version of a military
crawl away. Yeah, it was like

475
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you move, you move like a
dog where the paws are kind of like

476
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this, and then let's locked the
elbows and then you're Yeah, but then

477
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front hand when it pulled all the
way back the arm. It's hard to

478
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do it because humans can't do it. Imagine from your elbow to here went

479
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all the way over. So okay, the top of your fingers are touching,

480
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yeah, you're arm, and then
the legs, the back foot as

481
00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:12.719
it pushed away, the top of
the foot can touch your ship. Yeah.

482
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Like if you've ever watched the movie
The Ring or The Grudge, some

483
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of the old Japanese horrors, that's
how they walk to kind of make the

484
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creature look more supernatural. So if
you want to like a video reference,

485
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go ahead and watch that movie.
It'll give you an idea what he's something

486
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like that. Yeah, it's just
creepy. I mean, it's hard to

487
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describe it. It's creepy that it's
because you just knew that moment when when

488
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you see that hand do that,
You're like, people can't I'm leaving the

489
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middle, gone right and done.
Yep. Wow, I'm gonna try to

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upload a photo of this for Jay
real quick, just so we can show

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you know exactly what it is that
we're really let me just present anything like

492
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that. You know that the way
it moved like it would make more sense

493
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if it did kind of do this, you know, crawling on the ground,

494
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but it didn't do that. It
was okay, see how I look

495
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very day Yeah, that very top
picture. You see how the arms and

496
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legs are are extended out, the
legs all the way up next to the

497
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body. Okay, it did not
look like it looked like it was trying

498
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to be thin. You know.
It's like, oh, I'm gonna like

499
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almost like it trying to fit through
a hole or something. You know,

500
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well, if it's got to move
their brush and wouldn't make sense, right,

501
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:52.519
Yeah, trying to be low key. But you see the distance from

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it in that first drawing, the
distance from it to the ground. Narrow

503
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:01.599
it down, narrow it down some
because it was it might have even dragged

504
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its belly, but it was very
very loud yep, I would never sleep

505
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:16.519
again. On one thing that I'm
thinking about and just from Jay from from

506
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uh uh you know, your observations
and from what I know too about wildlife,

507
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is it could have been actually a
feeding behavior as well. Uh.

508
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Maybe it's it's doing that. It's
collecting groups, it's collecting uh you know,

509
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something on the on the forest floor
or something along the swamp floor,

510
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uh, for food. And maybe
it's just so used to to to being

511
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that way and having you know,
the hands and the feet you know as

512
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uh, you know, movable as
they are, especially with the feet compared

513
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to ours, probably makes it very
efficient for you know, for basically scavenging

514
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:06.559
off the off the forest floor.
Yeah, I thought it could be.

515
00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:09.599
But I think that my my just
thoughts of it is we had just come

516
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through there with on that truck.
Yeah, trucks barreling down, and we

517
00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:16.880
come around that corner. We're both
in the in the back, so we're

518
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:22.719
looking behind the vehicle okay forward like
everybody else. We're on the on the

519
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:27.360
tailgate, and it just came around
that corner and as we came around that

520
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:30.280
corner, it darted across. Okay, like oh my gosh, I'm getting

521
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:34.000
out of here. There's people here. Yeah, yeah, it was my

522
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:42.400
thought. Ye, Henry, Yeah, You've you've known Jay a long time.

523
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:46.960
What do you think about these sightings? This is amazing. I mean

524
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:54.559
I've I've heard and read about supposed
sasquatch, probably on all fours, but

525
00:46:54.760 --> 00:47:01.440
this is very interesting. Never heard
did love emotion of It's strange? Yeah,

526
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:07.079
yeah, it was strange. Yeah. I think that's funny. We've

527
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:10.599
known Jay for so long, but
we don't recall the particulars of that sighting,

528
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:16.880
and the the atatomical sense of this
is just mind boggling. Like I've

529
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:21.840
not heard of that particular splaying,
and I've heard of the spider crawl,

530
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:23.760
just like if we showed you,
I wasn't familiar with when Vans was talking

531
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:30.519
about really either. I've just heard
it from that that photograph that I've showed

532
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:35.480
you there. I've seen that several
times. You know how they move,

533
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:38.960
you know, getting from point A
to point B through the terrain they have

534
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:43.079
to cross. Uh, you know, it makes sense that they would have

535
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:45.760
some sort of adapted way of moving
to go on detective. It's not always

536
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:50.639
going to be this flash across the
you know, across in front of uther.

537
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:53.280
I'm sure they found ways to evade. The other thing that I think

538
00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:57.360
is interesting, Jay, is that
you know, you thought it could have

539
00:47:57.440 --> 00:47:59.760
been a man in a gilly suit, But how the hell would you validate

540
00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:02.440
that. It's not like you could
go to the camp and ask right right,

541
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:06.760
exactly, that's the other siding,
that's not this one. Yeah,

542
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:12.079
but you just showed me that picture, So now my mind is absorbing that

543
00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:17.400
and thinking maybe if it was in
that sort of spider thing and a truck

544
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:22.880
goes by and it's like scared,
it just come backed in quickly started,

545
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:25.840
you know, yep, and then
maybe once it gotten the woods on the

546
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:31.159
other side, it might spread back
out again. But this was a moving,

547
00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:36.960
real close shoot across the cut through
and then figure out what that truck's

548
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:44.800
doing. But would it not seem
to anybody that if a creature were to

549
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:51.440
do that type of a quote unquote
spider crawl, you'd be burning a lot

550
00:48:51.480 --> 00:49:00.760
more calories, which you may not
have that much to afford to do that.

551
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:02.840
It seems like it would take a
lot of energy to do that,

552
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:07.559
and you might get to a point
where you're out of sight and then come

553
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:13.840
back to a bipedal position. Again, I don't know. That whole thing

554
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:19.320
is just creeps me out. But
we're the only we're the only species that

555
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:22.480
counts calories. Okay, bigot girl, Jenny Craig in the moment, he's

556
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:27.239
not sitting there thinking, oh,
I wonder if I have Yeah, maybe

557
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:35.320
not, but it still has hunger, tennessees it doesn't not so so put

558
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:43.519
yourself in a position die or survive
another ten minutes, right right? Absolutely,

559
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:47.360
yeah, no, you're right.
That's a good point. I wonder

560
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if this motion is something that they
only do, like for a short burst,

561
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and then they stand back up again, or maybe be brought down first

562
00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.599
and stand back up fighter. And
I got my mind around that. It's

563
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:06.639
like, well maybe they're like then
they come are they stand up later?

564
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:09.920
I've heard I'm saying they were on
all tours and they stood up and walked

565
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:14.239
away, you know. And well, let me tell you if this is

566
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:16.760
the common form of low emotion for
sasquatch. I'm moving to the pro gilt

567
00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:22.400
category very quick, okay, because
I'm done. I'm empty in that.

568
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:28.440
But yeah, I have always said, I've always said, if you're going

569
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:31.800
to if you want to prove the
existence of sasquatch. Go get a sasquatch?

570
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:37.719
Yeah, one, or whether you
can capture one, a lie one,

571
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:43.000
whatever, you know, if you
were doing the suit. Sorry,

572
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:46.679
So, Jay, you've been you've
been down the road now while you've had

573
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:52.039
your own sightings, You've talked to
a bunch of people, you've produced documentaries.

574
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:57.239
What's your take? You know,
we try not to beat the Paterson

575
00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:00.440
Demman film to death here because it's
been talked about ad nauseum for you know,

576
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:06.119
as long as the video has been
around. But to you, you

577
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:08.320
know what, what's your take on
Bigfoot? Is it real? I mean,

578
00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:13.440
you know what you've seen, but
what else aside from your sighting says

579
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:16.719
hey, this is a legitimate,
legitimate creature. Well, my sighting,

580
00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:22.280
the things that I've seen, to
me, I know there's something out there.

581
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:28.360
I just don't know what it is. My personal idea on Bigfoot is

582
00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:30.519
you know, some people say,
well, it's an offshoot of humans or

583
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:35.280
it's an offshoot of apes, and
I don't think that it's either. I

584
00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:39.960
think it's its own thing. I
don't think that it came off the evolutionary

585
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:46.239
tree from humans or it came off
the evolutionary tree as a branch off of

586
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:51.239
apes. It's not an ringut,
and it's not a big it's not a

587
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:59.639
gorilla. It's not a chimpanzee or
a binobo. And I don't think that

588
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:02.159
it's human either. I think it
is its own thing. It's you have

589
00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:08.039
the human branch, you have the
ape branch, and it's somewhere in between,

590
00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:15.639
and it is its own thing.
It has its own evolutionary patterns or

591
00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:22.679
whatever. Gigantopithecus Blackie might be an
offshoot of it from years and years ago.

592
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:25.639
But I don't think that it's human. I don't think that it's eight.

593
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:30.440
I think it is its own thing. Do you think it's just human

594
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:36.840
nature to try to assign it to
something closer to us. Yes, that

595
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:39.519
we want it to be that,
So that's what we pointed to. We

596
00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:43.519
want to try to explain it or
we want it to be like us,

597
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:45.719
so we you know, it's a
gentle giant, it leaves, it lives

598
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:50.079
in the woods and it wants to
be left alone. Or we're like,

599
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:52.840
you know, it's an aggressive creature
or something like that, or it's supernatural

600
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:59.079
or it's alien. The thing is
is that if it were human. We

601
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:07.079
humans have a lot of baggage,
especially emotions. If it is human,

602
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:10.960
where are the sasquats wars? Where's
the need to explore? Why hasn't one

603
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:15.079
just walked out of the woods and
walked in the middle of town when hey,

604
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:19.400
I want to see what all this
is and and been photographed scene or

605
00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:23.119
even walk up to somebody, you
know, Where's the anger? Where is

606
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:29.480
the lust? The greed, the
vanity, the attachment? These are all

607
00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:35.320
human emotions. They're all negative emotions. People tend to subscribe the good emotions,

608
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:38.159
the good things they're they're little gentle
giants. They want to be left

609
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:42.360
alone. They live in the woods, and they're good. We're good,

610
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:47.559
little free creatures. No, there's
probably some negative to that too, But

611
00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:52.559
but so, I mean, if
it's human, it would have the same

612
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:55.480
emotions we have, and we don't
see any any sign of that. If

613
00:53:55.519 --> 00:54:00.039
it's primate, it would be far
more vicious, you know, because the

614
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:02.519
animals, hey, don't rip you
apart. Gorilla can take a part,

615
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:07.000
you know, and orangutan ked too, and a big enough chimpanzee will beat

616
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:13.159
you to dad. Well, it's
not in their behavior, so they're not

617
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:20.159
human and they're not typical animal in
my opinion. I don't know if I

618
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:23.199
have any more to sum that up. That was pretty spot on that yeah,

619
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:28.159
yeah, yeah, like you don't
think of it in those terms.

620
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:30.199
You know. It's the frustrating thing
with me that it's been there for,

621
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:32.679
you know, for a while,
is that, you know, we have

622
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:37.199
this incessant need as of people to
anthropomorphicize things and make them like us.

623
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:43.239
And there's so much of this that
says this isn't human. And you know,

624
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.760
when you were saying where's the lust? I had to point up this

625
00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:50.360
book I got in the mail from
a listener called The Sensual Sasquatch, which

626
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:53.599
is not in the same category,
has come for bigfoot folks. It is

627
00:54:53.639 --> 00:55:04.119
a legitimate book that documents sas squads, you know, coupling, and it's

628
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:06.880
been actually a fascinating read. So
if you get a chance to pick it

629
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:08.840
up, I'm going to have the
writer on the show here at some point,

630
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:14.280
the Central Sasquad. It is worth
the read. I thought it would

631
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:17.280
be a little blushing Letters to Penthouse
esque, it's not. It's actually a

632
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:22.800
pretty decent read. So for just
because Jay happened to say where's the loss?

633
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:24.440
It's in that book. They do
get it on quite a bit.

634
00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:30.320
But Jay, it's we're almost out
of time again, and I feel like

635
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:35.000
we just scratched the surface of of
of you and what we've done. But

636
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:37.760
somebody that's been in this field as
long as the rest of us, probably

637
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:40.000
twenty years or so, you've seen
a lot. You've been through a lot.

638
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:46.440
We've been through the Bluff Creek massacres, we've been through the Bigfoot hoaxes,

639
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:49.960
right, And we definitely have to
have you on for a part two

640
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:52.360
to talk about some of those things
because I think now more than ever,

641
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:58.480
folks have to understand those controversies happen
for a reason and we can't go back

642
00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:04.320
to them. Yeah, I had
big Foot in the Freezer's my favorite that

643
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:08.800
But you know, you know,
Jay, what I've come to understand as

644
00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:14.360
people entering this community in the last
couple of years just don't respect the history,

645
00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:16.599
and they don't go back and read
it, and they don't go back

646
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:21.440
and look at these mistakes and follies, so we don't go through them again.

647
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:25.360
And that's why it's nice to have
folks like you and Henry and around

648
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:29.679
so we can talk about those things. Even though people that listen to this,

649
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:31.400
we might get a new listener who
said, oh, I've never heard

650
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:35.320
that before, But there's a reason
we don't want you to hear about it,

651
00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:37.760
but we want you to hear about
it. We want to give you

652
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:39.360
this story. So I'd like to
get you back at some point Jay to

653
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:43.280
talk about that. But go ahead
and plug some things you got out there

654
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:46.000
now. I know your documentaries were
still out there on too. Me well.

655
00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:52.119
I was also a witness to the
Pasca Goal of UFO where Charles Hickson

656
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:57.519
and Calvin Parker were abducted, and
I have a DVD out now that tells

657
00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:00.960
the story from all of us who
saw something that night, as well as

658
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:05.159
Kelvin, and he recently passed away, so we will not get any more

659
00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:09.960
information from him, unfortunately. But
there's a new book out and I'm in

660
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:15.960
it, and there's my film that
you can see in a new documentary that

661
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:19.159
I'm also a part of that being
produced in the UK, will be coming

662
00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:22.880
out later on this year or the
beginning of next year, so there's lots

663
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:27.280
of information on that. Also.
As far as Bigfoot, I haven't done

664
00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:31.079
one in a long time, but
Sasquatch Hunters is out there and it's when

665
00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:36.280
I did a while back, and
you might enjoyed seeing that one as well.

666
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:39.840
I did, you do put out
some great documentaries, man. Something

667
00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:44.079
I was going to just throw in
here. Last week in one of the

668
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:49.519
local forums here in Texas, somebody
reported a bigfoot siding because they had the

669
00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:53.400
thing where the police had written down
that the individual said that he thought he

670
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:58.559
saw bigfoot and it was reported and
it got out there and it was on

671
00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:02.119
one of these others services, you
know, like Facebook or whatever, and

672
00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:06.840
I just thought, well, that's
interesting. We just have one last week

673
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:10.119
here in Texas. Yeah, you
know, well, you know Texas is

674
00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:15.719
a hotspot for bigfoot activity, right, the lone Star state has its own

675
00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:22.320
especially things. Yeah, so,
Jay, thanks so much for coming on

676
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:24.519
with us. We're out of time. Where can folks find out more about

677
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:30.079
you? You can go to my
Facebook group just look up Jay Michael.

678
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:37.599
I'm Jay Michael Underscore Official on Instagram. Those are the two best places because

679
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:42.159
I posted pretty much anything that's going
on and posted about this, so if

680
00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:44.880
you want to know anything about me. Also, my Instagram, I have

681
00:58:44.920 --> 00:58:47.639
a link tree on it and my
profile you can click on that and there

682
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:52.880
is a whole litity of things you
can see, watch movies, stuff like

683
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:55.480
that that you can go that I
made very cool, tons of stuff,

684
00:58:55.559 --> 00:59:00.519
tons of things. Can't mention all
of them here. Well, we'll get

685
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:01.719
you. We'll get you on again
so we can talk more about them.

686
00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:07.760
We love guy and talk more.
Yep, excellent guys. That hour went

687
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:13.440
by quick. In fact, I
think it goes by two quick times.

688
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:17.679
Again. We're making the migration here
to a permanent will more permanent home for

689
00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:23.800
anomalous entertainment sasquatch experienced studio. I've
been working on that as much as I

690
00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:28.440
can between my real job and my
real life, so we'll have an actual

691
00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:32.119
studio space to bring you some more
great productions. I've got a couple more

692
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:36.400
irons in the fire, guys,
some great stuff's coming along. We just

693
00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:38.480
asked you to be patient and truck
along with us. Matt and I have

694
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:42.599
been out in the woods. Matt's
been really getting out there. We hope

695
00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:45.199
to bring you some good stuff,
and I know the guys have been working

696
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:49.239
on their projects. So again,
stay tuned. We appreciate your patience.

697
00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:52.280
We appreciate you, the listener,
because without you, we'd just be some

698
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:58.280
guys walking around in the woods looking
for Bigfoot with no reason to continue doing

699
00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:02.320
this. So guys, thank you
Han Henry give him those beautiful closing words.

700
01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:07.559
Yeah, I'll be good or be
good at it. Keep on squatching.

701
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:19.480
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702
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