EP 78: So You're Walking in the Woods...

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As always, listener discretion is advised. And what are your putting? We

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got someone or something growing around out
here? Does a legend walk among us

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working in the forests of our world? Did you see what it was?

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Well? Did a person or an
animal? Or I can't go. All

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I know is that my thunder light
came on and I hit that with a

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glimp, And see this thing running
across the yard, a good side man

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or something looked like a man.
I don't know what it was. For

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over fifteen years we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators, and witnesses trying

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to gain insight and truth around the
exist instance of this mysterious entity. Quite

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sure, here, Hello, get
somebody out here. What's going on downstairs?

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Thought of a pictures about sixty foot
All right, I don't know eas

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the amount there? Yeah, I'm
looking right out. Oh, okay,

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hang on, he's right? Is
he in your yard? Turn? Yeah?

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You got you big? Okay,
what's he doing? In your yard.

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Yeah, we're gonna bring you join
us as we continue into the investigation

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of the Sasquatch Experience. And good
evening everyone. Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience.

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I'm Sean the Fort Shop Forker Tonight, August twenty eight, twenty twenty

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three. I don't know, guys, nothing gets me jazzed as much as

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the Sasquatch Experience intro. When I
hear that, I know it's time to

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get going, and I want to
make bands do that live from here on

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out, you know, listen new
discretion advice. I watched him. I

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watched him recited in the green room. We're all lot there, and you

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know what, You're just gonna do
it live from here on That all right?

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For a man to tell another man
not to touch his never mind?

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Wow, well, I don't know. It's Welcome to science class kids.

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Oh guys, what a weekend it's
been. Last episode. Daniel Perez.

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Folks, we do apologize for the
delay in the launch of that episode that

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podcast. I don't think I've ever
been so frustrated editing an episode as I

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was with that, and we used
AI to help us volumize. Daniel Perez

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and I know it did a little
bit to the voice quality, but the

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fact of the matter is that we
were able to salvage a good part of

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that interview and bring me a podcast
that was pretty decent, and gentlemen,

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I apologize for my technical difficulties.
He's all stepped up and did well,

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and I was still able to produce
from behind the scenes. So a little

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starting the show off with a little
gratitude is never a bad thing. So

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thanks to you, guys, and
thanks to our listeners. Absolutely. Among

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other news, of course, Matt
and I spent the evening overnight in our

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area where we're researching it. And
though it was not an incredibly fruitful night,

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Matt, it was a good night, was it not. Oh?

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Absolutely, it was a great night
to be out there. It was.

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We got out there at wow,
I don't know, probably about six o'clock,

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and between the time of six o'clock
and nine am the next morning,

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there was not one car that came
up that road, So we were in

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a very very good area. And
we did have something strange that occurred,

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the rumbling sound. The rumbling sound, yeah, yeah, we could not

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identify anywhere. It was interesting.
Do explain give a little more detail.

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Well, at first, were just
sitting there around the campfire myself, let

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us think of it, jar research
partner, my son Gabe, Matt,

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and I and just having normal nighttime
sounds, you know, crickets, and

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then all of a sudden, this
loud, kind of mechanical rumble that just

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came out of nowhere and then ended
it. And there was no way it

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could have been a vehicle because we
would have seen it. M That was

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bizarre and really the think of it
is and we all commented that we were

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able to feel uh you know,
uh you know, just that base kind

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of going through us. It really
didn't scare us a whole lot. It

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was just one of those things that
we were intrigued by. But it sounded

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to me almost like a tractor,
uh starting up that's coming up there.

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And there were some uh you know, vehicles that were down in the lower

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part of the valley that the state
has there to to work on drainage and

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such. But this here, there
was nothing for I think about three miles.

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There was no mechanical equipment there and
we just heard this, uh you

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know, we just heard this rumble
that that kind of went through us,

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and it was unexplainable. The one
thing that I wanted to know with that

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particular location. The only thing that
we get that that's really not a natural

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sound is, uh, unless our
our events as as a pilot, you

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know this WI be intriguing. We
have what's called the slate run. I

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guess it's the it's one of the
towers, or I guess it's a radio

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beacon that when the planes are flying
commercial or any sort of commercial instrument flights

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going from basically from less to east, if they're going into LaGuardia, JFK,

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Boston, any of those airports,
they fly over what's called the slate

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run, And I forget what the
what the term is for it. Yeah,

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that's okay, go on a lot
of us called VLR. But you

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know, yes, you are so
so slight run does have one. So

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the only unnatural noise that you're hearing
outside of just you know, just the

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people that are there, is the
sound of airplanes. Now, usually at

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night you might get an overnight a
red eye flight. You might get a

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lot of them are actually transport planes
that that go back and forth like fed

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xups. They'll be flying in the
middle of the night. But uh,

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there's a distinct difference between what we
heard in when you have the aircraft go

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over, you can hear it tail
off, you know this here it was

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just it was loud and we're all
looking down the road waiting for headlights.

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Yes, and and then it was
as you know, it probably went I

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don't know, probably about fifteen seconds, twenty seconds at the most, and

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then it just died. But it
was a very odd sound. Yeah,

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well, I guess between that sound
and then the sound of a woman's voice.

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Yes, that was the other thing
that was interesting, but you couldn't

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localize, right. It's just several
times that Less and my son heard and

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they were sitting on the other side
of where Matt and I were sitting.

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Both of them had indicated that they
heard what sounded like a woman just like

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whispering or yeah, wow, interesting, But I just that has to be

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probably and I'm just taking a ballpark
swing here, probably the sixth time in

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a encounter story where I've heard those
terms being used. It's und of like

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a softly spoken or a woman or
a woman whispering or a woman speaking.

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That's crazy. The other thing that
I'll note, and my son and I

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decided to sleep in our car because
we arrived late. And you know,

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Matt and Less also decided to sleep
in their vehicles for no reason, not

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a not a fear thing or anything
else, just a comfort thing. And

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we left at about three am and
drove back home too, and there was

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an absence of animals the complete drive
from our campsite down that twelve miles to

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the bottom of the road on that
mountain road. There were no animals.

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Nothing, not a deer, not
a porcupine, not a fox, nothing.

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I just found that very interesting.
We saw no wildlife at all.

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That we heard things walking around the
forest, but we saw nothing. Okay,

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in an let's say, in a
different situation where you didn't have any

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kind of strange outside interference, what
would the wildlife action be if you travel

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back, there would there be activity
from porcupine and deer and Skunk's typical.

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It's typical everywhere. And I just
found it strange that we even went out,

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we walked the road that no matter
where we went, there was no

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wildlife presenting itself. We went into
that field, no wildlife, and Matt,

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you kind of have to set the
stage form with the type of forest

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that this is and before we do
that, Less said, it was as

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if you could hear a woman having
a normal conversation but out in the distance,

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and she heard that. Yeah,
you've heard that crazy game. You've

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heard that several times. Could could
you hear the bees? No? Not

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this time? We actually Less and
I had both in the morning. I

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took him over to the meadow and
the meadow area is where Sean, James

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and I had gone previously, and
it's actually an incredible natural area wherever.

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It sounded as if we had a
swarm of bees that were probably uh somewhere

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not that far from us. And
you would think that if you walked in

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the woods you'd find a big,
you know, a tree covered in bees.

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That's how loud it was, That's
how many there were. What it

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was, it wasn't bees all centered
in on one location. It was the

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bees spread out amongst this whole meadow. But literally every foot that we that

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we stepped there were there were honey
bees out there collecting pollen, which was

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which was absolutely amazing. We could
hear them and the frogs and like this

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was during the day. That's why
I'm kind of interested. We were there

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two weeks ago. It was,
but it was it was an average day.

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It wasn't overwarm, it wasn't over
cold. But you could hear all

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the you could hear the life the
animals. And when we looked over that

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one the fringe area, you saw
you could see animals, yes, and

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when you you could hear birds moving
from tree to tree and things like that.

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Yeah. So it's not like it's
not like the animal of the places

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devoid a life, you know,
it's just you know, and it's not

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November. Is that Is that region
a hunting region or is that a preserve?

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Oh, that's a big, big
hunting region up there. So okay,

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because usually around October November they back
off of that, you know,

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like deer and the bigger animals because
they're like, oh no, wait,

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gun, people are coming, we
need to you know, right. Yes,

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Well, and again with this particular
area, and I had shown,

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uh, you guys to the maps, there's literally when from the road where

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the road is and it's just this
little dirt waking road, Uh that stretches

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you know, a pretty good distance, but to the west, it drops

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down into the valley, then it
rises up to another ridge, then it

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drops down to another valley. It
rises up to us to a second ridge,

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then it drops down again and then
you have the creek and the next

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road. So there's put it this
way. There's deer up there that probably

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never saw a person. Sure,
yeah, yeah, especially in some of

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those back halls. And there's a
lot of little hollows throughout that whole uh

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mountain range up there. But to
try to set this set this up for

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everyone, it was where this is
again, it's a very remote area.

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It's a mix of hardwoods. Uh, there's a lot of pine trees throughout,

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especially in the hollows. It's a
very mountainous region. So it's uh

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not I'm usually going to an area
where it's more of a plateau. This

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is ridge and valley, Ridge and
valley, Ridge and valley. The only

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real uh uh you know, I
guess, uh impact from people up there

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other than for for camping and other
outdoor activities is the gas industry. And

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the one thing is is we do
have the gas lines that come through,

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which, believe it or not,
they make great corridors for ball life coming

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through. And the gas walls themselves
are very you know, they're very small.

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You know, they don't they don't
have that that impact to the environment,

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you know, just on the whole
as you know, like coal mining

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or yeah. Yeah, like you
see them and and you have to look

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for them, you know, otherwise
you just see the strips, you know.

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So where we were, we were
actually uh, we were at the

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first camp site, which I'm I'll
go back to the second camp site afterwards.

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But the first camp site backs up
to the field which is this uh

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basically it's not the meadow. This
is a basically a run where the gas

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line was. It's about i'd stay
a good fifty yards in width and it

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just stretches for miles. When Lesson
I had first got there, we came

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out and directly in the field there
was a skull there which we believed to

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be probably it looks like an unguluts
so it's probably going to be a fawn,

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you know, a baby deer off
probably about ten yards away. Getting

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closer to the middle of the field, we actually found the fem or bone.

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So going through that particular stretch we
did see a lot of animal scat.

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Less and I had found bear scat
through there. You could tell he

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was eating berries, and there was
also what I didn't see much sign of

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elk there, but we do know
that elk do travel through there, but

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there was definitely signs of deer throughout
that area. So again where it was

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a long long drive up uh to
this area and really to the next you

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know little uh collection of camps.
It's about another eight miles. And when

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we drove through there on Sunday morning, me unless there was only one person,

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you know, one one camp that
was being used out of maybe about

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ten camps in that in that little
area, so there were not a lot

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of people out there. The one
thing is is uh that John and I

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were talking about, is we have
an area up here where we have you

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know, just an immense uh you
know, a system of ridges valleys with

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no roads to them. We have
uh, so you have a place for

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something a large mammal to hide.
We also have food throughout there. The

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one thing is is when Less and
I examine the bear scat, we found

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that there was a lot of berries
in the scats. So that was evident,

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you know, just from you know, we didn't take it apart,

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but you know, you could just
tell it was loaded with berries. So

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there's obviously enough food there to to
keep you know, to keep bears happy.

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And then you have the water sources, so there are you know,

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you'll have the creeks that feed into
you know, one of the two major

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streams up there, and then not
only do you have those creeks, but

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then you have the feed or streams, you know, and they kind of

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cut off into little little valleys themselves. So there is enough places there too,

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you know, for something to hide. And we've had they were the

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active those feats, truly absolutely.
Now the one thing is is, like

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we described it, it's like a
needle in a haystack. So uh,

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you know, we could have been
there and they could have been eight miles

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away, you know. But you
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historical you know data, so you
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cliff rockman you know train of thought. You know, if there are historical

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sightings there, especially for how long
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a good chance, especially if nothing
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both you know, talk to people
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had a you know conversation with a
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fact that at the end of August, which is the time we were up

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there, he begins to notice something
being around his problem pertice, he notices

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the smell coming back that is absent
for a while. He uh, you

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know. And then towards November that
one year, he had a deer stolen

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right off his back porch that was
hanging and it wasn't dragged, it was

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picked up and taken. It isn't
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out. And then there's been other
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I know sometimes it seems like will
the eighties, that's a long time.

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You guys have to understand a listeners
and the folks watching that Pennsylvania has a

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lot of big Foot activity, but
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predominantly it's in the southwestern part of
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that's where most of the researchers have
been. Very rarely have there been long

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term researchers out here aside from myself
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And we're just now getting people comfortable
talking about it. And I think

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part of that is just Matt's pleasant
demeanor. He's just so nice and trusted.

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You want to talk to Matt about
the big foot siding and as people,

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he spends more time up there.
He doesn't shy away from it.

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I don't. He doesn't go out
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researcher. But if the opportunity comes
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from it. So I think part
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Matt, is why we're starting to
get more information and to say nothing of

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the festival. When we were down
there, you know, people coming up

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to us and like reaffirming the things
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about. Absolutely absolutely, And I'll
tell you with you know, just talking

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about, you know, just having
pleasant demeanor. I was talking to a

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gentleman. This is going back about
six or seven years ago, and uh,

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you know, he had told me
he said, hey, you know,

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I just saw something weird, you
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what, We're coming up on Turkey
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and you also have Troud season,
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About two weeks before Turkey season.
I was up there about a week

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before because I wanted to get out
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know, the campers got up there
and he had mentioned that he saw a

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guy on a Gillie suit crossing one
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was about three quarters up the mountain. The mountain itself is just a very

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treacherous climb going up and down.
But to him, he thought it was

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a person, you know, he
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scouting for turkeys. He just thought
it was weird that somebody went running across

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the power line's stressing the Gillie suit, you know. And it's conversations like

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that where you know, you don't
have to say, oh, you definitely

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saw a big foot. It's hey, you know what that that's interesting and

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uh, you know, and you
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Could you know? Uh, you
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that you know again, you know, there's no trails. It's it's extremely

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off trail. There's no way to
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without you know, being seven foot
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you know, so you know,
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just I don't want to scare Sean, but when I was on my way

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home on Sunday and I was going
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to see two rattlesnakes. I know, I know, they were on the

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road, so I was gonna stop
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somebody that I have an unsettling fear. Yeah, yeah, we know,

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you know, Matt. I'm sorry
to interrupt, but this one really begs

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a question to me. So in
the let's say, the turkey hunters or

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the trout fisherman are I don't know. I would like to take a survey

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of people to find out how many
of these hunters and trout fishermen and and

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out doors men that that want to
shoot rabbits are aware of the whole sasquatch

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community. And why would you be
out there in a gilly suit because you

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may be putting yourself into some serious
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Yeah. Absolutely, absolutely. Now
for bo hunting and for turkey hunting here

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in Pennsylvania, you you know,
you should have your fluorescent orange on when

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you're going to your tree standards,
You're going to your uh to where you're

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going to call the turkeys. But
once you get to that spot, you

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can take that orange off. So, but somebody just running arbitrarily, you

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know, in a gilly suit three
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seventeen hundred feet. Uh, you
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I would think it just off hand. I would think that there has to

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be some sort of the thought process
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something else, and maybe I'll get
shot at. A gilly Spuit's a wonderful

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thing, believe me, but not
in that type of environment. I can

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understand for you know, the sniper
purposes, or if you're in a duck

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blind, you might want a gilly
suit, But if you're running around with

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the thing, that's a whole different
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And I don't know how other hunters
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And again, I'm an outdoorsman.
I spend a lot of time in the

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outdoors, and I'm a hunter,
I'm a fisherman. What I generally do

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is I'll hike into the into the
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But you know, when I'm out
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out there during in the spring turkey
season and I'm gonna go, I'm not

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hunting, I'm going to go out
and hit you know, one of these

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little wilderness trout streams. You know
they're here in Pennsylvania. I will wear

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an orange hat, you know,
I will have you know, if I

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have a fluorescent orange vest, I'll
wear that vest. I want to be

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seen. But man, you would
know because I'm not a hunter. But

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yeah, is there a percentage of
orange or fluorescent that you're required to wear

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to have a haunting license? Two
hundred and fifty square inches for rifle season,

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which is going to be a vest
and a hat. So as long

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as you have a vest and a
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a little different. Turkey's a little
different, but you do need to at

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least have orange on when you're going
back and forth to the stands. So,

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but if you're going out for a
small game, which is generally you're

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out in the field or you're you're
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can have a little less fluorescent orange. Usually you'll you'll have just the best

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or you know, maybe just a
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don't want to dick Cheney situation.
No, absolutely not. Yeah, yeah,

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wow. But the other thing too, going and I'll tell I'll talk

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a little bit about hunters in Pennsylvania
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I have a train coming through,
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I know, yes, yes,
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say is the majority of hunters in
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from where they either part their car, the or a TV. You don't

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get a lot of people going into
you do, but you don't get that

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mass, you know, we call
it the Orange Army, you know in

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the fall where they're going out and
you know, driving gear. Most of

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the time they're you know, they're
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from where the logging road is.
They're not that far from you know where

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they where they part through ATV.
Yeah. Because again and just a little

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bit. Yeah, So so they're
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They're not going into these areas.
We went in last year. We

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were hunting an area and uh,
we were kind of going in there blind.

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We didn't we saw the area from
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get a chance to put a lot
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not open day, We did not
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the area where you know, it's
a little more population. So just imagine

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going where we are in our research
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of these hollows. I mean usually, I know, for somebody like myself,

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it would be almost like an overnight
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and James, Uh, the one
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you were with us, and you
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one gasoline, how steep that that
terrain was. You know, it was

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almost like a cliff you know,
so you had to deal with train like

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that. Lesson I When we were
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the overlook and we looked down.
Believe it or not, there is a

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trail that goes down, but the
trail to go down you it's it's nearly

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vertical, so I mean it's uh, you know, we don't know what's

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coming up if that's it looked like
it was pretty warm, but it had

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to have been uh you know,
maybe you know a game trail at some

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point. Yeah, yeah, but
yeah, the area, uh, Sean,

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if you want to you know,
pipe in on a couple more observations

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you had, you know, being
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I mean at night time was a
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Uh, there's a lot of Wow, how how do you explain it?

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Like for me, there's a level
of comfort because I can see where

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I'm going during the daytime. At
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like you really where you're going.
And again, rattle snakes not a

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fan. So you asked, Dad, I'm walking around like a blind man

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and my cane tapping on the ground
so I don't get bit, which is

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acceptable. Yeah, yeah, which
is fine. That's that's a good thing

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to do. So between that and
being aware, you know, you could

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potentially, you know, run into
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most part, the bears aren't you
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they're much more timid of people.
We didn't have, you know, even

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for you know, uh, you
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we didn't have any food out,
but you would think that we would have

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had a bear come through our camp
and we did not. Nothing. That

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was the thing. Nothing And we
had crickets. I mean, it wasn't

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like there was an absence of any
kind of noise, but it was just

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to me it was strange. Maybe
they're just that not used to people that

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they just keep themselves hidden when somebody
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because there was no vehicles that came
through besides ours that entire night. Yes,

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even at three am when I drove
back down that mountain, which seems

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like it's not a big drive,
but it's a big drive. There was

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nobody else in the road. It
was just me and my son driving down

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a dark, desolate mountain road and
no wildlife, which is just freaking me

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out because I'm like, at some
point we were going to see a deer.

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We saw one deer on Renovo Road
in somebody's front yard. Matt.

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That entire time I had to leave
the forest to see a deer. Go

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figure. So we gotta take our
we gotta take our news break. We

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come back. We'll actually get to
the meat and potatoes. It was a

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good weekend. We had a great
time. Just to put a cap on

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little bit Neo ste A symbol.
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of the hour the big Foot Bullhorn
right here on Sasquatch Experience. I hope

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you're all having a wonderful Monday night
as we are heading from full speed head

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first into the dark season. Hope
everyone recovered well for this past summer weekend,

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which is coming to a close quickly. I think I kind of made

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that point already, But here we
go on the Bigfoot Bullhorn out of the

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state of Indiana. When Leroy Nail
first heard Bigfoot reports in Indiana, he

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was skeptical. Maybe the international notorious
Sasquatch lived in California or Canada, but

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here in his home state, no
way. Leroy said, our woods are

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not deep enough. We don't have
even enough forrests. There was no way

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that a seven or eight foot tall
creature out here could live comfortably and that

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nobody has seen it. That all
changed when he attended his first meeting of

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the Indiana Bigfoot Research Organization over ten
years ago. It's founder, Steve Abney,

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presented evidence that not only is there
one of the Harry Forrest dwellers here,

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there are thousands, and Abney claimed
to have lived with some of them.

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Wait what now, I'm gonna have
to get back to you on an

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upcoming show about this guy who lived
with a sasquatch. But the article doesn't

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talk about that. Well, it
didn't take me too long to realize,

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Hey, he's telling the truth,
le Roy said. Just like that,

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the Martinsville native was converted from a
Sasquatch skeptic to a die in the wood

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believer. Highly intelligent, apelike humanoids
roam the Hoosier State, often just out

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of sight of watching us, Nail
said. Today, the state highway technician

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leads Indiana's Bigfoot Research group, which
has steadily attracted more members over the years.

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The organization's Facebook page has over three
thousand followers, making it the largest

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group of its kind in the state
of Indiana. Interest in the mythic creature

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is only growing. According to Nancy
Nail, who is married to le Roy.

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The two and invited to give more
talks this year at libraries and other

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venues than ever before. She said, even so, it seems more people

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are willing to actively and seriously believe
in the forest dwellers existence than in years

410
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:20.400
past, Nancy explained, I think
it's more talked about now than it used

411
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to be. She said, more
people believe than they used to, or

412
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maybe some people are just a little
less intimidated to say something than they used

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to be. During the past ten
years, Leroy and a dedicated group of

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researchers have responded to calls from people
around the state of Indiana reporting a tall,

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hairy animal or animals near their homes, or unearthly screams from the woods.

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Leroy doesn't take their word for it. Usually within minutes of receiving a

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call, he's in a truck,
driving sometimes for hours, to collect evidence.

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information, just go to Mothman Festival
dot com. Thanks again for listening to

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this edition of The Big Football Horn
exclusively on the Sasquatch experience, and until

440
00:37:52.000 --> 00:38:13.440
next time, keep your toes in
the mud. Thanks Vance, watch Tender

441
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:17.760
get a little excited over that there
on the background. Hey, Henry,

442
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:22.920
how you doing to do good?
All right, folks, Shaan Forker,

443
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:27.800
Vance and Nesbitt, James Baker,
Henry May, Matt Arner all here tonight.

444
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:30.920
And now that we got our recap
of Matt and I and our friend

445
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:36.440
Less's adventure and my son Gabe from
the weekend, We're going to get into

446
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:38.440
the meat and potatoes of the show. And I'm anxious through this because I

447
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:45.400
was you was doing my typical social
media perusal not long ago, and a

448
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:50.159
man by the name of Karl Rose
posted a question in the Coalition for Critical

449
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:58.039
Thinking in Bigfoot research research, and
his post goes as follows, exercise and

450
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:04.760
ethics. Hypothetically, you are a
bigfoot believer hiking in a national park and

451
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:09.239
happen upon a skull that is clearly
too large and too different to be human.

452
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:15.719
It is likely a bigfoot skull.
What do you do next? He

453
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:20.599
further writes, being found in a
national park, it is public property,

454
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:23.400
which means if you report it,
those foul skeptic scientists will get their hands

455
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:27.840
on it. If it is in
fact a bigfoot skull, it will likely

456
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:31.599
be worth millions to the skeptics.
Do you report it and preserve the integrity

457
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:35.719
of the site or sneak it out
of the park to make a fortune through

458
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:39.599
black market auctions? Which of many
possible actions do you take? So I

459
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:45.199
took this question and spun it to
the gentleman here, and of course I'm

460
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:50.039
sure they'll have their own variations upon
the same said question. But guys,

461
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:55.199
who wants to go first? What
would you do? I will? I

462
00:39:55.360 --> 00:40:01.559
will, I will? I got
my hand up, go ahead? Okay,

463
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:07.000
Well, once that question got presented
to me, I really dug into

464
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:14.119
what would the reality be instead of
the fantasy. The reality is he come

465
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:16.400
across. At first, off,
it's shock and awe to see something like

466
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:23.239
this, and do I take it
with me? I think my first reaction

467
00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:30.159
is I am gonna scour visually every
squore inch in one hundred and eighty degree

468
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:36.639
radius around me to see if there's
a century in the area. My mind

469
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:43.480
goes off to the point of okay, so Sasquatch exists. Is there such

470
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:46.880
a thing as murder in the Sasquatch
community where one takes another one out and

471
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:52.119
it's not buried. We've heard many
stories. Maybe they bury their own,

472
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:59.039
but that doesn't mean that they all
are of the same family and thought process.

473
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:04.719
Maybe maybe it was a criminal scene
in the who knows. I think

474
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:08.880
the shock and aw the whole thing
is but I would do my best to

475
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:15.880
collect it, get into my backpack
after pooping my pants, and get out

476
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:19.519
of there as fast as I could. But then I'm left with the dilemma

477
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:23.199
of what do I do now?
Who can I share this with? I

478
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:28.360
could only share this with trusted friends. The question was brought up. It

479
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:32.199
could be worth millions of dollars,
But then who is going to come and

480
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:37.239
attack to get hold of this evidence. Who am I going to share this

481
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:43.800
with? I could share this with
close trusted friends and they may head,

482
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:47.360
wow, okay, this thing is
real. But is it going to go

483
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:52.400
onto the market for any kind of
financial value. I don't know that I

484
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:57.599
would do that. I think I
would keep it under wraps under promise of

485
00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:02.239
my close friends, trusted allies such
as you, gentlemen, and keep it

486
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:07.000
at that point that if somebody needs
to study it, that is a trustworthy

487
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:13.440
value. Okay. Maybe so maybe
I could give some DNA sample from it,

488
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:17.440
But I don't know that my home
would not be completely destroyed to get

489
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:22.480
hold of this by any other entity
if they ever found out about it.

490
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:28.119
Fair enough, I get your point, and I and I there's about a

491
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:31.480
lot of value to that. My
counterpoint on that one thing is is like

492
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:37.880
who do you trust? Like if
I found a skull, first thing I

493
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:39.320
would do is back away from it
a little bit, try to take as

494
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:43.880
much photographic evidence as I could,
kind of look around to see how the

495
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:46.519
skull got there. Like, if
it's just a skull and not a body,

496
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:52.159
then clearly something detached the head.
We'll put it that way. And

497
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:58.840
I don't want it to detach my
head, you know, and then like

498
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:01.559
you have to look at you know, was it? You know, what

499
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:06.519
kind of area are you in?
And like me, honestly, I would

500
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:10.800
probably call Matt, just because Matt
understands forensics and some of the other bs

501
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:15.519
that ninety people are going to ask. And then after I consulted with him,

502
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:19.400
if I was able to do it
in the moment and I knew that

503
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:22.960
it was only taking the skull and
the moment was the only way I could

504
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:25.960
preserve it, that I'd find the
most easiest way to preserve the evidence that

505
00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:32.519
wouldn't taint it as much as possible. And I probably would then consult Matt

506
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:38.360
again. But probably the question is
is well, because he does this kind

507
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:42.400
of thing you pick, you know, kind of like if I had foot

508
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:46.000
print, I'd send it to Meldern, you know what I mean, Like

509
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:50.519
if I had you know, my
only my thing with it is is the

510
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:57.360
biggest concern would be is one how
the head got there? And two is

511
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:02.400
if I take this adviends you have
a valid point where people would destroy your

512
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:07.880
world and things like that. But
I think if you did it semi discreetly,

513
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:13.599
because I believe that we all as
researchers have that pocket, have that

514
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:19.000
little bit of a pocket. I
can't evidence, we'll call it a pocket

515
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:22.760
evidence. We have it in a
drawer, or we have I don't have

516
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:25.280
any, but I know that the
guys that do this every weekend got something.

517
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:29.840
They've got it. They've got in
a room, They've got a drawer.

518
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.480
Lauren Coleman hides it in his basement, God knows whatever, you know,

519
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.119
but that stuff is all like that
would be where I'd hide it until

520
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:42.519
I could say, Okay, I'm
a hundred percent sure this isn't a human.

521
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:46.519
I am a hundred percent sure this
isn't an ape. I've sent it

522
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:52.239
to I've sent the pieces to three
different people and they've come back with,

523
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:54.400
Yeah, this has got to be
something else. And then I would be

524
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:59.880
kind of like, you know,
all right, let's give this to somebody

525
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:05.559
who can release it into the wild
blue yonder of people. Right because I

526
00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:10.320
had this discussion with Sean what an
hour ago. If they found Bigfoot tomorrow,

527
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:17.840
if I found it, once the
general media and everybody found out and

528
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:22.599
they could prove it was, we
would all be involved for probably six months,

529
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:30.280
and then the corporations and the billionaires
and the and the high end scientists

530
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:35.199
and all the all the people that
said we were not right would all swoop

531
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:37.239
in and go, hey, you
guys can go home now we got what

532
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:40.679
we needed from you, And hey, Baker, here's a check forget you

533
00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:45.760
know us right, you know?
And that's that's how I feel about that.

534
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:49.960
But like, if I found a
skull, I mean, I'll just

535
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:52.639
brief about it is, I'd find
out why it's there, and scoop up

536
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:57.440
as much stuff as I could and
then wander off right, you know.

537
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:02.719
Yeah, And I think I would
do the same thing. I don't know

538
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:07.320
how the rest of the gentleman here
feel, but I think I would do

539
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:12.960
the same thing. I think I
would scour the area and try to figure

540
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:17.280
out as fast as I could what
created just a skull to be here.

541
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:23.000
And those thoughts that I brought up
earlier, maybe murder does happen in the

542
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:28.480
squadge community. I don't know.
I have no clue, But if it's

543
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:32.760
left exposed where I come across it, yeah, I'm going to take it

544
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:37.960
with me. But then how do
I how do I destroy part of that

545
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:44.679
skull to send samples off to somebody? Else to confirm what it is.

546
00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:47.440
Well, where did you find it? Where was it at? We want

547
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:52.679
more information about where the sample came
from. I don't know how much more

548
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:57.199
I'm going to give up about the
area in which I found it from.

549
00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:01.000
Because once you leak it to one
person, and that one person's gonna share

550
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:05.360
it with six other people, those
six other people are gonna share it with

551
00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:08.280
twelve other people and before you know, you got somebody knocking on your door.

552
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:14.400
I was like, I don't know. I mean, you guys have

553
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:19.159
both made some pretty good points so
far, Henry, what yes do you

554
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:24.679
do? Oh goodness, I'll probably
get in contact with boy you guys first,

555
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:37.519
not me, most likely that because
he's the forensic guy. And then

556
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:44.960
probably you know, after after after
a little bit of soul searching. I

557
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:59.119
probably most likeness in it to Meldrum
for sure. Man. So yeah,

558
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:02.880
and nursing I have. I don't
know, I'm probably just the way I

559
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:09.079
am. I would be, uh
well, the very first thing I would

560
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:15.559
do is I would find something of
scale from which I can take photos,

561
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:22.920
because you can have a skull like
h and I'll just go back to our

562
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:29.320
skull in the field that was a
very small, uh deer skull. So

563
00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:31.920
but if I took the camera,
I put up clothes, I could say,

564
00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:35.880
oh my god, it's a it's
an elk. So I would take

565
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:37.599
something of scale. If you don't
have a ruler, if you don't have

566
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:45.480
anything, well guess what. What's
always one size that they don't want us

567
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:49.119
to use. But hey, in
a buying you can use it as a

568
00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:54.039
dollar bill. Absolutely, yeah,
absolutely, because it's all it's all one

569
00:48:54.119 --> 00:49:00.119
size, yes, James. So
that's one thing that I would do.

570
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:07.199
However, it would be a shame
because the skull itself that I find might

571
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:10.880
be missing a mole or tooth or
two, you know, when the photos

572
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:19.639
are taken. But I would probably
have something small like that that I can

573
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:23.719
actually uh you know, have tested
independently. What I would do is,

574
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:28.119
once I'm in cell ranger, if
i've you know, the satellite phone,

575
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:34.199
I would be calling news station first, then the park rangers just say it's

576
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:39.280
on National forest Land. I would
be calling calling both, and but I

577
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:45.199
would make sure that the that the
news people get there right before the park

578
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:50.119
people do, that they're able to
see this and document it. At that

579
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:54.440
point, you're probably going to have
a forensic team or anthropologist come in with

580
00:49:54.599 --> 00:50:00.519
the forensic team to examine how that
skull is late is laying there, if

581
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:07.199
there is a body there, you
know, if there's other bones there,

582
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:09.880
because what they can do is they
can you know, they'll actually see through

583
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:16.880
the soil to see if there are
any remnants of other bones there. If

584
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:20.840
just in case, like the head
was standing, you know, it was

585
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:24.079
basically up and the rest of the
bodies down almost like in a diagonal.

586
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:29.400
So that's the one thing that's definitely
something I would do. But I would

587
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:34.599
definitely take the uh, you know, take a moler or two just so

588
00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:38.679
that I have it, and i'd
be sending it off right now. I'm

589
00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:45.440
pretty much sold on the North Carolina
State program, you know for the DNA,

590
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:50.760
so i'd probably be sending a sample
of that out to them and seeing

591
00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:52.239
what they can get out of it. So I have a question for you,

592
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:55.800
Matt, in the scenario and what
you just laid out that you would

593
00:50:55.880 --> 00:51:04.280
contact media and then you would kind
contact authorities beyond that, would you feel

594
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:12.360
comfortable to continue video recording that action
that took place once the media got there

595
00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:16.760
and once the authorities got there,
and your video recording and you're you may

596
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:21.800
I'm not saying it would happen,
but you may deal with some pushback of

597
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:27.559
uh, don't record this and we
need your we need your phone. Would

598
00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:30.039
you would you do that? Well, I don't know. I don't know

599
00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:37.159
Goes, I don't know if you
do Facebook live or not. I don't

600
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:42.039
know. I probably would. And
I have to laugh at that because the

601
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:45.559
people that you know in my profession, that that you know really kind of

602
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:49.239
yeah, I can't say they get
under our skin at all, but you

603
00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:51.960
know, for there's some of the
younger guys. They do is the like

604
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:54.719
First Amendment auditors, you know,
the people that go into the police stations

605
00:51:55.159 --> 00:52:00.960
with their cameras up, you know, wanting to you know, think we

606
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:04.400
deal with them all the time.
And and honestly, the way I deal

607
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:07.679
with is I'll actually go out and
introduce myself and uh, you know,

608
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:13.239
I don't give them a hard time
because there there's laws in there that you

609
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:16.079
know, if it's uh you know, if it's viewable by the public,

610
00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:22.199
it's something that could be recorded.
So uh so that's one thing where you

611
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:25.800
know, uh, these First Amendment
orders, we're actually come a hand.

612
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:30.400
But maybe I'll give one of them
a call. They can come up and

613
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:35.280
and video sate. But uh,
they get a little uh, you know,

614
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:42.079
sometimes a little too pushy, and
I would definitely have the camera going.

615
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:47.480
And the other thing too, is
uh and this is something from uh,

616
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:52.280
you know, from my experience as
a police officer, is I would

617
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:58.440
document every single person that that comes
to that to that scene, you know,

618
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:04.440
whether it's media, you know,
Uh, park rangers get names,

619
00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:08.480
you know, start a lock,
you know, and uh yeah, and

620
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:14.280
that way you know the people there
there and until it's handed off, you

621
00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:17.320
know, minus one or two molars. Once it's handed off then to you

622
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:22.079
know, forensics or anthropologists, then
uh, you know, they can they

623
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:27.039
can run their own at that point. And at least then you can kind

624
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:29.719
of go through and say, okay, here's what I have. I had,

625
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:34.159
you know, uh you know this
guy from ABC News, Uh,

626
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:38.280
this person from you know, uh, National Park Service were the two initial

627
00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:40.920
people that came in. There was
a cameraman, there was this you know,

628
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:44.679
and I have their names. You
know that they can't come out and

629
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:47.000
say, okay, well you know
we just had you know, this was

630
00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:51.480
found by by some guy and you
just left it there and you know,

631
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:54.079
no, you document everything. You
know, it's treated like crime scene,

632
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:59.320
right potentially, And the one thing
is it is potentially it could be a

633
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:02.840
crime scene because unless it has a
crowned head, you know, which is

634
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:07.559
which is indicative of some of the
signings that we have. You know,

635
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:13.119
you don't know if you know Andre
the Giants Twins, you know that's a

636
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:15.480
good point, that that is a
good point. You could be, you

637
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:22.960
know, completely disrupting a huge event, a crime scene that you had no

638
00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:27.400
idea that you just you know,
bastardized by stuffing it into the backpack.

639
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:32.599
I totally get that. I don't
know. Again, I tried to put

640
00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:37.960
myself into that scenario. Uh,
in the most rook I closed my eyes

641
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:43.559
and I put myself into this scenario
and and I'm trying to play through the

642
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:47.880
entire act. Is well, what
would have what would I actually do?

643
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:52.199
Initially? Yeah, I think I
would have picked the thing up and shoved

644
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:57.800
it in my backpack and ran like
a you know, scared little school girl

645
00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:00.719
out of the parking lot, but
you know, to get out of the

646
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:05.400
woods. But you know, it's
what do you do with it after the

647
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:09.079
fact, and you bring up a
really really good point is that you start

648
00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:15.559
documenting pictures, you see if there's
any other body parts there. And I

649
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:20.000
kind of found my point that I
brought up at the beginning, Uh do

650
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:25.840
Bigfoot actually commit murder amongst teach others? I know, that's a whole different

651
00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:30.840
show. I get that. I
totally get it's a whole other show,

652
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:38.559
right, I totally get that.
But we haven't found a skull yet amongst

653
00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:44.760
the general public that we know of. Maybe authorities have come across a skull,

654
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:49.840
but as as far as researchers go, I don't see Jeff Meldrum with

655
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:53.440
other than you know, cascid footprints. He does not have a skull sitting

656
00:55:53.719 --> 00:56:01.840
in his office, so he probably
probably that, Uh it's probably that bones

657
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:13.800
Clones reproduction of the Gigantophithicus skull.
Henry trying the munist, I think I

658
00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:21.920
think he's he's watching Star Wars.
Yeah. So for two dollars, you

659
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:24.559
can be a Patreon and if you're
we get enough patreons, I will do

660
00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:30.280
videos and me sending skulls the Meldrum. So we got them. So listen,

661
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:32.840
We've got some comments from the listeners. You know, Hector welcome hector

662
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:37.119
to the sas Flogic experience. He
said he was a first time listener.

663
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:42.559
I wouldn't let anyone know so the
government doesn't un alive me, which is

664
00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:46.480
a fair assessment. Smithsonian would confiscate
it and it would never be found again.

665
00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:51.159
And that to me, which we
haven't said what I would do yet,

666
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:55.159
and you may not find out until
next week. And he strongly believes

667
00:56:55.199 --> 00:57:00.920
that Bigfoot buries they're dead, which
kind of goes into Vance's point. Uh,

668
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:04.079
you know, if they bury,
they're dead. Why the hell wasn't

669
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:07.400
this one buried bump bump. Uncle's
end says, grab it and run like

670
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:12.519
hell out of the woods. And
then who knows what? Spoken like a

671
00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:15.519
true worker right there. And your
dollars is a bargain. That's our executive

672
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:20.679
producer talking about, of course,
guys, our Patreon, which you could

673
00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:29.840
subscribe for as little as two two
dollars. Now I have to I have

674
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:34.239
to tell you and bank I'll let
you jump in then, because my methodology

675
00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:37.079
is very similar to Matt And when
he said pull the teeth, I'm like

676
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:39.760
that son of a bitch, because
that's the first thing I do. I'd

677
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:45.880
be yanking some teeth and then taking
pictures of everything, making some phone calls,

678
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:50.719
and I'm going to stay there and
film everything, video everything, and

679
00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:53.199
dance. If anybody wants to steal
my phone, it's all going to be

680
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:58.239
uploaded to our Google one drive anyhow, So go ahead, they can take

681
00:57:58.280 --> 00:58:00.039
it all they want. That should
just going to the before they get out

682
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:06.000
of my get hands. Good for
you. Uh And as for you don't

683
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:09.599
need the whole skull, that's that's
the thing, Like I understand. I

684
00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:17.840
think there's so much material that we
get from the teeth. Yes, we

685
00:58:19.039 --> 00:58:22.400
get from the teeth. To MAT's
point, you know, it's just extra

686
00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:24.679
work trying to take the skull with
you and try not know. And it's

687
00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:30.079
true because gigantipithecus, you know,
look and teeth to work with. That

688
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:37.000
was it. But now also think
about this guy's You are removing something from

689
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:44.719
federal land. You can get felony
charges for stealing rocks from national parks.

690
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:50.920
How does that work with quiet?
Well, I will share something with you

691
00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:57.960
real quick. In the bad lands
of South Dakota, I found a partial

692
00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:04.480
jawbone with a moler of a prehistoric
something and I chipped it up. I

693
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:09.320
chipped that thing out of you know, the Lancil. It's sitting on my

694
00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:14.199
shelf here. I'm not going to
share that with you know, any authorities

695
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:17.960
because yeah, it's federal lands.
But who pays for those federal lands?

696
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:23.320
Sean Forker does, Man Snezbitt does, Henry May does, Matt arnerd does

697
00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:29.280
James Baker does? We all pay
for those federal lands. And it's still

698
00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:32.400
sitting here. I don't know what
the job own is from what prehistoric animal

699
00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:36.320
it is. I have no idea. I never sent it off to get

700
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:40.320
any DNA done. But it's pretty
damn cool. Well, you know,

701
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:45.719
when the government decides to get petty, yeah, that's the problem. And

702
00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:50.519
when you're dealing with this, you
know, Hector, you know you haven't

703
00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:52.719
heard the story of the guy videotaping
that giant that ended up dead. I

704
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:57.679
don't think it has to be anything
that's serious for the government to take action

705
00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:00.159
against you. Once you have proven
at some point of broken a law,

706
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:06.639
depending on temperamental the prosecutor decides to
be is how much time you're going to

707
01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:09.400
end up fighting? Uh, And
that's not even having to be undebted.

708
01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:15.599
If you did back find something that
the government still doesn't want to exist.

709
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:19.400
I mean, that's just the reality
of it. And when they're looking at

710
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:22.000
you, they can add whatever they
want that you did that you know,

711
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:24.880
you, you know, sure committed
some kind of crime that we're not aware

712
01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:32.840
of. You know, what's happened. I just gotta be some ritten mattress

713
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:38.039
tags, tag of a mattress.
But it could be something as stupid as

714
01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:42.599
that. But if a prosecutor really
wants to be special about you. We

715
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:45.880
just had that discussion earlier about you
know, if the government really wants to

716
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:51.280
get you, they will you show
me the man, I'll show you the

717
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:54.480
crime. Yeah. A point that
Hector pointed out was and I never even

718
01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:59.079
thought of, was as honestly,
the smith's own name probably could take the

719
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:04.400
skull, throw it in, use
it in an actual display. Mislabel is

720
01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:07.360
something else. They could sit there
for years and nobody even knows the difference.

721
01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:12.760
Well, and that may in fact
be the case, and we don't

722
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:22.719
realize that's not even conspiratorial, that's
just reality. Oh yeah, we get

723
01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:27.079
the dog Don Baker. What happened? Oh no, he left? What

724
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:30.519
happened? I know he's back.
I'm just kidding. I'm just messing with

725
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:34.079
everybody. Folks. We've run to
that point of the show. Guys,

726
01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:37.960
I think this, you know,
good fun topics there. As Baker's getting

727
01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:43.760
dogged by the popo, we'll get
him out of jail, folks. Don't

728
01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:46.000
worry, we'll bell him out.
Got a good show tonight, Guys,

729
01:01:46.119 --> 01:01:51.199
we've all been tired up. It's
been a long weekend. I want to

730
01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:53.800
thank you all for listening. Uh. We don't know what the show will

731
01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:57.599
be for the next time, so
stay tuned, stay listen, stay focused,

732
01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:02.360
Henry, give him those parting words. Yeah, I'll be good.

733
01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:06.760
You can did it? The hell? Was its time? All right?

734
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:10.639
Folks, you keep on squatching.
We'll see uh the next time.