EP 76: Doug Hajiecks Quest for Monsters

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As always, listener discretion is advised. And what are your pointing? We

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got someone or something crawling around out
here? Does a legend walk among us

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working in the forests of our world? Do you see what it was?

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Well that a person or an animal
or I can't go all I know as

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if my thunder light came on and
I just have with a glimp and see

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this thing running across the yard,
A good sized man or something. It

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worked like a man. I don't
know what it was. For over fifteen

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years, we've talked with scientists,
researchers, investigators, and witnesses trying to

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gain insight and truth around the exist
of this mysterious entity. Hello, get

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somebody out here. What's going announce
their thought mentions about? Thank you?

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All right? I don't know easy
amount there, Yes, I'm working right

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here. Oh, okay, get
eat your yard? Turn yeah, got

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you bicker? Okay, what's he
doing in your yard? Join us as

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we continue into the investigation of the
Sasquatch Experience, and good evening everyone.

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Welcome to the SASA Squad Experience for
Monday, July thirty, twenty twenty three.

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I'm Sean the Fort chop Forker,
joined by Henry may Live and in

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color purple, Matt Arner, Vance
Nesbitt, James Baker, our executive producer,

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downe at the bottom, mister Brian
Corbyn, and of course our special

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guest tonight, mister Doug Hichik.
We all know him if you're watching this

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show for a reason, the brains
behind Monster Quest. An award winning film

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producer, documentarian, and an all
around pretty cool guy. You can check

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him out an untold FM. He's
got all kinds of podcasts going on,

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he's busier than I am, and
he's got better hair. So, gentlemen,

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welcome to the show tonight, Henry. We'd be remiss though, if

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we didn't start this off with a
little Peter Byrne discussion right grade fell the

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big Foot Field Friday. Peter Byrne
passed away at almost ninety eight years old,

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one of the four Horsemen, the
original kind of pioneers in this in

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this research, and it's just a
kind of a dark day for Sasquology.

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Yes, it is. He was
the last of the four Horsemen. It

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was unfortunate, but you know,
he left a good legacy and I was

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I was fortunate enough, of course
to meet him in twenty sixteen at beach

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Foot so and get three of his
books signed. So and he, he

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and I we sat at the campfire, I think it was Saturday morning at

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Beechfoot. We were just talking about
sasquats, but just about just about life,

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you know, just about our lives
and what we do and what we're

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involved with everything. So that was
just a nice little conversation. Yeah.

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I mean, it's those moments that
that you remember. God, I just

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remember as a kid, you know, one of the mainstays in the documentaries

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Ancient Mysteries in Search of um Unsolved
Mysteries, Right, just one of the

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gentlemen captivated my imagination, really brought
me into this and it was just it's

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just sad, and you know,
unfortunately, it's one of those things that

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happened as we as we age,
you know, we know there's an end

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date. But he left a mark
on the field and a you know,

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just a contributions like no other end. It's just sad in our condolences to

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all his friends and family. Just
a sad day. But you know,

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you know his uh, he was
able to he was able to raise from

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what they sell Saspall Tibacy three million
dollars of other people's money to have things

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like helicopters and ground sensors and even
the White Herod Bigfoot hotline. Right.

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Well, I think the telling part
about that is if you're somebody that you

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know, depends on money to do
this research or these projects, that's quite

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an accomplishment. I'd be proud of
that too, being able to get three

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to four million dollars to somebody else's
money to do this work. You're a

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you're a film producer and a you
know, that's a that's a remarkable feat

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to raise that much money, especially
for something like Bigfoot. Yeah. Oh

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god, Um, I grew up
watching Peter. You know you would certainly

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had an impact on me. Um. He was the guy. And I

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sent my VHS copy of the footprints
um that we photographed up in the Arctic,

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and I sent that VHS to Peter
and I told Todd, who knew

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Peter really well, Todd knees.
I said, Todd have you ever can

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find that tape, it's probably still
at Peter's because I am I have no

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copy. Look nice to get that
back a constantly day. It really is

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uh. And you know for people
that knew him, like Todd Todd Nis

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of course a good friend of ours, and you know, someone that you're

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you're familiar with. Uh, almost
devastating loss for Todd. Yeah, yeah,

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he was close to Todd. Yeah. So again, folks, our

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condolences out to him. But you
know, we can't get invest on the

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sad. We got to move on
with some of the happy. And that's

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why we got Doug on here tonight
because we're gonna talk about some great things

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vance Matt. I don't want to
overstep and steal the show or take anything

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from you. Do you have anything
before we get started, any any news

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or memories? Uh, well,
we'll get to the news at the bottom

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of the hour with a little bit
more of Peter Burne. But yeah,

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well we'll you know, kind of
envelop all of this crypted zoology thing with

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Doug himself, and I just want
him to unleash on to us, especially

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what you just released, Doug personally, what you got from your cameras,

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that you had set up. Oh
yeah, So Adam Cold, who I'm

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working with and known obviously for years. Adam is a US. He's like

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me in a lot of ways.
He likes to different types of technology and

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combine them like a mad scientist.
And he'll call me with an idea and

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he'll say, we can do this. We connect this to this and this

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to this, and I can sorer
up these chords and these cables and then

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we can broadcast live from the forest
up to you know, twenty five thirty

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cameras whatever. And I'm like,
okay, that sounds good. You know,

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I'm thinking more in my mind,
it would be really cool to do

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five. Adam's thinking twenty five twenty
set of twenty seven. So anyhow,

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so all of a sudden he's like, okay, I'm ready to go,

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and I'm like what, you know. It was kind of a little bit

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of a surprise. And his plan
was to go up for thirty days all

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Buy and Loan All Buy is lonesome
solo camp and do nothing but work on

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tech all day and putting cameras up. And so we've been working every night

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trying to come up with a new
game plan. Every night because there's some

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we can do these cameras that have
never historically, he's never been able to

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be done. So literally he set
it up so on my phone I could

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monitor multi cameras live all through the
night, which of course I've not slept.

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Now I'm going on day ten without
sleep. You know, we're all

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sleep a little bit in the morning, but I gotta get up, you

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know, I can't, so I
was a little woozy today. But so

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I can watch up to four cameras
at a time in banks of four,

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and then we've got in those cameras
we have no ir lights. You know,

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everybody for years has been seeing these
things, can see ira ir light.

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And I you know, I've not
argued about that. Um, it's

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certainly it's a very good theory,
because why else are they avoiding camera traps

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over the last twenty five thirty years. There's got to be a reason.

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Although camera traps normally are not broadcasting
anything because it's a passive sensor, So

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that still didn't really make a lot
of sense. So I'm still kind of

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on the fence on that. But
maybe they can hear a hum or,

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there's electronics, or maybe there's savants
and they just know they're damn for us

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so well photographic memory and they can
spot something out of place, just like

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I would in my own living room. Still notice if there was something wrong,

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and I see Jim maybe agreeing with
me. Yeah, right there.

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That's the conversation we've been continually having. It's not as much about the cameras.

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I think it's the fact that you
touch the forest and then they're interested

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in what's going on, but they're
smart enough not to get in front of

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the camera. But here's why,
here's why we're doing what we're doing.

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So we have this huge camp,
right, So we have a huge footprint

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in the middle of the forest,
and so Adam is it's taken a long

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time to set this camp up.
It's a thirty day venture. We have

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a TP he's set up. It's
a three hundred square foot office for all

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these electronics and computers, and we've
got you know, breastrooms and showers and

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clothes lines and you know, there's
just a TV and there's all sorts of

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stuff. So our goal at first, so we're not we're not sure we're

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going to stick to this plan,
but it's to watch the camp in the

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surrounding part of the camp. So
that way we can disguise the cameras,

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which are very man made into things
like a box of dried old mill a

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six pack of beer sitting on the
picnic table. So we have cameras hidden

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in more a little more sneaky ways. And then some are just kind of

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distraction cameras. So here, avoid
these but here. But here's what we're

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doing right now. No our lights
at all. Cameras some of them are

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many of them are off, completely
off, so they're not giving out buzz,

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they're not giving out electricity. But
I have a secret button if Adam

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here's a noise, or if I
do because I have some cameras on in

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camp and I'm listening all night,
I can then turn on a big bank

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of lights. I are lights.
I can not turn on ire lights.

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I could just hit record on ones
that are not using are light. I

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could do what kind of whatever I
want, and I practice and I practice

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so I could be quick. Well, last night was one of the first

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real alarms that set that Adam didn't
hear. But I did something lifted.

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It looked like something lifted up a
camera like maybe four or five inches tilted

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it and then set it back down, and I heard um like tapping in

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all sorts of noise the camera clearly
it really moved a lot, and I

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thought, oh god, so I
got all my heart's pumping, my you

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know, my heart's racing. What
do you think I did? I forgot

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to turn on any record buttons on
the cameras, so I completely failed,

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like an idiot. I've been thinking
about that all day because the first thing

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through my mind was, well,
maybe Adam got up snuck up, and

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maybe he was adjusting a camera that
bugged him, and I wasn't a where

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he was up, So I failed, but I still I should have done

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it. But then later on we
went back and we reviewed other cards because

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we had some that we're in continuous
record mode farther away, and it looked

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like a battery just tipped over inside
a box of oat mill. I don't

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know where we had the camera,
you know, hidden, and then the

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cord stretched and it kind of yanked
the box and it you know, it

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went up and so a complete you
know, false alarm. So I didn't

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screw up in the end, but
I'm kind of glad he found that because

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I feel like an a. But
this is really you know this many cameras,

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don't mean in a you know,
in a camp or in the woods

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or on the edge of the woods. Is quite historic. I've done it

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before with one or two cameras,
which caused it was a huge team of

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people to pull it off. We're
talking solar panels, control panels, you

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know, this big put together by
computer experts, cellular plan you know,

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to be able to be the information
of and we could only stream one camera

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a little bit on a jerky end. Well here we're running far more and

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Adam figured out all these things that
we can do with you know, switching

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and you know, shutting lights off
independently, so it's it's really flexible.

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So we're experimenting and we're on day
thirteen, I guess today or day day

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fourteen, so we still have sixteen
days. Yeah, it's still on its

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infancy. Yeah. And I've also
I just found a volunteer who said he'd

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be willing to stay past Adam because
Adam has to leave. Me and Adam

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are going together on another expedition,
so he has to leave, so maybe

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somebody else can take over this camp, which is actually quite luxurious it's got

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electric shower. You know, there's
air mattresses. You know, it's it's

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not too shabby. It's pretty nice. Yeah, maybe I'll even go I'm

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volunteering, right, Okay, ticket, I gotta get you to okay,

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Right. But I think I posted
a picture, just a still picture of

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like one of the banks of cameras, and I'm monitoring, and I would

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imagine everybody was kind of like,
oh, they got ir lights on.

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No, that's no ir lights on. It all just moonlight and very very

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low light cameras, which I thin
think is going to be key to getting

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footage of a big foot. Cameras
are getting lower and lower and lower light.

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You can buy cameras now that have
shutter speeds of as low as five

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hundred and thirty isso, which means
they'll see without any ir projection lights in

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total darkness, which is amazing.
That stuff's all coming, That stuff's all

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going to be in our pocket soon, you know. I mean it's going

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to be a game changer. Well, I hope it is. You know.

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Again, we go back over a
few of our past shows, DUG

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where I've had the conversation with Sean
and it seems like old technology was what

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was capturing images, whereas new technology
may discourage any of the capture. Not

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to say that VHS tape, you
know, cameras of you know the eighties

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and really nineties or capturing things too, but they were handheld devices and they

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see something, okay, they turn
the camera. But as far as something

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that is permanently mounted or temporarily mounted
to capture something, I'm wondering if older

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technology was more successful. So what
you're saying is a lot more encouraging,

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and to kind of eliminate at least
some of the infrared spectrum of it.

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Because those photos that you posted,
I would not have been able to tell

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that was not infrared, that was
just natural light. And that's pretty incredible.

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Yeah. And plus, you know
many of our many of our cameras

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are off. They're just off.
But I can push a button turn them

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all on all at once, simultaneously. Within two seconds, I can be

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filming from twenty cameras. Tuck,
I just have a quick question. Um,

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the area that you're researching is hit. Does it have cell phone coverage?

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Yes? Yes, that was that
was the key, um Abe del

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this. That's, you know,
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Abes in the chat room. Hey
Abe, how you doing? Um?

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So we couldn't even have done this
really without Abe, because places like this

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are rare. You know, where
you've got vast for us and you're out

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in the middle of the forest,
you've got a decent cell phone signal strong

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enough to run many, many cameras
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high Depp dude, it's my definition. That's great. I know with us,

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the mountains and especially in the Alleghenies. Uh, once you you hit a

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certain ridge, there is no cell
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of see what we can do without
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do you have any suggestions for that? Well, the only option right now

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is satellite. But you know,
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becomes just an everyday thing for everybody. I mean, I think everybody's going

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to switch to Starlink at some point. That's going to be a big game

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changer because now everybody's going to have
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The technology is going to get better
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in the next three years. Here's
what I'll make some predictions. Desktop DNA

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machines. Yeah, literally, Like
you remember when printers were five grand?

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I remember I had to purchase these
things. Now they are what twenty five

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bucks? The same thing is happening
with DNA technology. It's getting smaller,

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smaller, smaller to these little desktop
units. How long will it be I

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think a few years before you be
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your own DNA testing. Well,
look at the footprint scanning you can do

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with your light oar radar. We're
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from these damn cell phones. And
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I was gonna it's a very very
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thought about with the tool you have
in your in your in your pocket.

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Okay, that thing is flashing a
lighter bunch of I don't want. It's

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like forty thousand lasers every few seconds
at your face, at your home,

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at your walls, at your wife, your kids. It's completely by now

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mapped your entire house. In every
square inch of everybody in your home,

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including um um. You know every
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your bathroom. But this information can
all be put together by a foreign

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government. I want you to picture
a map of everybody's interior home, every

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scuirne of the US mapped in LDAR
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So and the reason one of the
reasons we were talking about it last

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night because one of our game plans
is for Adam to hear something, which

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we've had many nights where we've had
the ten slapped really hard. Twice there

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was better. You know, a
rock came sailing into camp. His wife

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came up to join him for a
couple of days. She heard some mimicking

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going on outside, on and on
and on. So I said, Adam,

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let we have to have to communicate
to me because I can then switch

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all the cameras from off to on. And so the problem was to get

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him in an area where that LDAR
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a sleeping bait. Guys, right, it's scary. So you're getting hit

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in the face by forty three thousand
laser beams every few seconds, and this

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was penetrating through layer layers of sleeping
bags. We actually need have wrapped tape

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around his camera go under numerous sleeping
bags before I could not detect the flash

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off that damn It really angers me
because facial recognition, when you're opening your

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phone, that's one thing, right, but to take your photo every five

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seconds, that's a whole other thing. What is that for? That's what

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I'd like to know. Yeah,
that's that's that's a topic that more people

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should be aware about, because yeah, it really irks me. Um,

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the fact we couldn't even field the
damn things with layers of thick sleeping bags.

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That's a little light our cameras that
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we're like, well, if if
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flashing, it's gonna know Adam's up, and we need to make sure Adams

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sleepy. While he's telling me.
Doug turned the cameras on now, and

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I think this is probably one of
the best game plans anybody's ever had,

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because we do have this thing coming
into camp, but it's beat us every

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night for one reason or another.
Although last night was a complete false alarm

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and every actually every night could have
been a false alarm. But it's still

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you know, um, it's hard
to figure out what would have slapped his

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tent and one of those slaps broke
a carbon fiber tent pole. Right,

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there's something, Yeah, what does
it? So, you know, it's

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kind of the anecdotal, but but
we do we do trust abe that this

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is a good area and there's been
numerous sightings. There were sightings there as

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early as July eighth, as late
as July, as Vinson talked about,

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we had theorized for a while and
you know, postulated conversation wise that there

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was something about the older technology that
worked. You know, the Sierra sounds

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were done on analog. They weren't
done on why why there had to be

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something about it. Doug that that
was the catalyst for that. It could

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be you know, why can't people
buy an old You can still buy old

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reel to real Panasonic with the Capston
drive, you know, the old little

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caps and drive that you put on
there to slow down footage or speed it

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up, and or and also film
cameras with real film movie movie cameras.

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You can buy them for a song
you can get sixteen millimeter movie camera.

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You can still buy footage or the
raw film at Walmart. They'll still develop

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it. Um. And it's an
instant on thing. That's spring wound.

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I have spring wind camera. Um, no electronics. That's your theories.

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Don't just talk about him. The
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waiting for that film to get development. Oh yeah, it's all about that

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anticipation of the I want to see
what I captured. You could have been

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to what Roger and Bob felt like
when that stuff was the soup and the

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chemical soup. Because man, the
guy, the guy that's dipping that film

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in the soup could ruin it.
Yeah, just by you know, just

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not doing his job, all right, So I could have been ruined.

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We're lucky it came out as good
as it did. The original Legimian science

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film. I shot that in thirty
five millimeter. Well, and I had

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to do you know, we go, you know and shoot a bunch of

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stuff, very complex, and then
I couldn't look at it. I had

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to you know, send it to
the guy and he put they all put

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it in the soup, and you're
just praying everything's okay, and X ray

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machines at the airport didn't ruin it, and blah blah blah blah blah,

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And I'll tell you your tense moments. My wife and I were the last

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of our class to do dark room
developing and with chemicals. And then they

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translated everything in our image setters so
the digital image, so they weren't needed.

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The dark room wasn't needed anymore.
But that's a progast and things can

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go wrong, like when I opened
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you know, ruined a whole film. Yeah, you know, things like

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that. Thank god I didn't develop
the Patterson film. It would have been

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screwed. But Henry, you had
a question. Go ahead, buddy,

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Yeah, I'm going to ask you, how in the world did you managed

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to film the giants? Wid you
know, this was a species that had

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been only been being dead on our
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was inspiration, no, you know, knowing they're alive. But my theory

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was they were in the Sea of
Cortez. I was scopped at by experts

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told me, no, there's no
either there, m there's no way I

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could there. And literally right before
Expedition one washed up on the shore in

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the Sea of Cortez. A dead
arctutis wasn't real big and that boy that

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shut that expert up quick. But
my goal was, um, like it

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is with Bigfoot, it's going to
be a multi step effort. It's not

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just going to be extrapic camera on
a tree. So me and Adam are

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going to great lengths to strategize.
Always spend hours on the phone each day

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strategizing, debating, arguing, whatever
it takes to figure out what is the

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best method tonight to try a multi
step effort to get one of these things

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on films. So I knew,
because I'm a fisherman, I thought,

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well, let's build a big lure, right, and the divers agreed that

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was good. And there were squid
experts that were humble squid experts. If

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only deal with humboldts, they thought, okay, yeah, that's that's my

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work. So the idea was to
build a big lure to catch a big

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enough squid to put a payload on
that big squid to carry down. Because

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I had a theory that the really
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that may have also got out of
its breeding niche and never bread and lived,

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you know, beyond their normal two
three years and just kept growing.

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Would be to send something down to
where they are because they don't go up

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and down the water column. The
smaller squid I knew, would travel up

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and down the water column bringing nutrients
down to the bottom, coming up to

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the surface, feeding on whatever,
shrimp and so on coming down, and

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then the big ones would just eat
them cannibals. So that was my theory.

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And I actually got that theory from
Lake Trout and from reading the inn

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Fisherman magazines and the in Fisherman books
when I was a kid, because eland

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Or would talk about northern pike that
got you know, massive size in Europe

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because they would get out of their
niche. Maybe they wouldn't breed and they

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would catch these giant northern pike.
They would put them in moats to protect

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castles and all this stuff captured my
imagination, but it made sense a fish

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that would get out of its damn
niche. So I thought, maybe the

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big giant arcatuthus is just a normal
sized arkatuthus that you would pay no attention

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to, but that it would not
breed and just stand those cold, sterile

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waters of the ocean, deep in
the darkness, and just feed on whenever

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it comes downwards towards its mouth.
It's not expelling the energy, it's not

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breeding. So I believe it was
a female. And what's so funny is

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that may not ever be done again
for another fifty damn years, just like

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the Patterson footage. I might have
just been really lucky and we had the

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perfect storm in the right place at
the right time. And I mean literally,

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there's been four networks. I've tried
to do what we did in a

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failed. I tried to do what
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So maybe it just doesn't get done
for fifty years, seven years,

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or maybe you get stuff tomorrow.
I have no idea. Sometimes luck luck

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plays it, lady. Luck is
on your side. Yeah, so I

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you know you just you know,
um, you can never downplay luck.

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Why does one person win a billion
dollars in the damn lottery? Why wasn't

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it Jim Baker, Because then Jim
would say, hey, guys, ever,

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every researcher gets too old, the
world would change. If I want

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a billion dollars, I'm gonna let
that thought faster as we go to the

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news Sean Walker, James Baker,
Henry May, matt On her, Vince

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Nesbitt, Brian Corbett, and our
guest tonight, Doug Hichick. We'll be

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back right after this. Smoke him
if you got them or don't do that,

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that's bad. Team a symbo.
Yes, welcome, So the Big

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Quod Bullhorn exclusively on the Sasquatch experienced
anomalous entertainment. Welcome to the very last

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Monday Night in History. August thirty
first, twenty twenty three, And in

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honor of tonight's guest, We're going
to go through a popular top ten list

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in a survey taken by two thousand
people nationwide of top ten favorite cryptids.

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Now we're not speaking cryptids that are
most real or most prominent. All these

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are favorite. It crypted, So, without further ado, Number ten is

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the Mongolian death worm. Creepy,
I give you that much. Kind of

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has this attitude for taking the name
of the area in which it lives in.

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The Mongolian death worm is said to
be anywhere between two and five feet

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and surfaces when it wants to claim
a victim by sprain venom, and some

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say it even has an electrical charge
coming in at number nine. Thunderbirds seen

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all around the globe, but especially
in North America. But not in Antarctica

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though. But thunderbirds, Yeah,
I put that in one of my favorites.

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Number eight Phantom cats not really one
of my most favorite, but considering

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ever since the discovery of Siberian tigers
that can live in extremely cold tapatures,

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I suppose a big cat could live
just about anywhere it chooses. Number seven

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is actually kind of a favorite of
mine. Considered by some to be a

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modern dinosaur, the Mocli memembae is
a water creature said to exist in the

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Congo River basin in Central Africa.
It is said to be a large reptilian

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creature with a body like an elephant
and a long neck. Stories and sightings

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of Makaliu memembae can be found as
far back as seventeen seventy six, and

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since the early nineteen hundreds, missionaries
and explorers that visit the region have been

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told of a massive surapod that dwells
in the local rivers. Now, keep

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in mind, the Congo River basin
itself is three and a half times larger

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than the state of Texas and most
of it is unexplored by foot, so

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there is that possibility. Moving on
to number six, show hand from everybody

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in the room here if this is
a favorite of yours or not. Yeah,

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it's the Mothman. We won't get
too much into the whole Mothman deal

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because we're all aware between nineteen sixty
six and nineteen sixty seven the sighting of

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the Mothman by several witnesses in Point
Pleasant, West Virginia. And yes,

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the Mothman festival continues from here on
out in Point Pleasant, West Virginia.

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Coming in at number five. Hey, we're halfway through the list. Perhaps

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the only cryptid to be the mascot
of a major sports franchise and in this

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case, the New Jersey hockey team. Yeah, you guessed it, the

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Jersey Devil. It's one of the
most well known folk creatures and its legend

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dates back to the seventeen hundreds.
Number four in our top ten favorite cryptids

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from a survey at Crest the Nation. Also known as the Abominable snow Man,

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the Yeti is a large ape like
creature that is said to exist in

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the Himalayas of Nepal and Tibet and
how many novices believe that the YETI is

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actually white hair colored. We don't
know. Number three, Oh, I

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can see the excitement building in the
room. Sean's like, come on,

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Bigfoot. B number one B number
one, Number three l Jupacabra is one

407
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:32.360
of the most well known cryptids in
popular culture, and has supposedly been spotted

408
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:37.760
in the United States, Latin America, and even in Russia. Its name

409
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:43.079
literally means goat sucker because of the
supposed method of attacking and drinking the blood

410
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:51.760
of goats and other livestock. Number
two, perhaps the most recognizable of all

411
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:57.960
famous cryptids, the sasquatch. It's
bipedal ape like creature that is alleged to

412
00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:04.320
inhabit the forests of North America and
around the world. Also known as Bigfoot

413
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:09.440
because of its especially large footprints.
Sorry, Sean. Number two of the

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most favorite cryptid survey, which brings
us to number one. And if you

415
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:20.519
haven't figured it out by now,
well I'm about to give it away.

416
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:25.000
Probably the most well known of all
cryptids is Yeah, you guessed it.

417
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:32.119
The Lochness Monster, a famed late
creature supposedly found in Scotland's Lochness. Its

418
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:37.639
legend dates back to the sixth century, when an Irish monk called Saint Columba

419
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:43.119
is said to have confronted a water
beast after it killed a man by dragging

420
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:47.079
him underwater. That wraps it up
for our top ten list of most favorite

421
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:52.639
cryptids across the nation. And when
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Book. And as was mentioned at
the beginning of this show, this past

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00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:19.199
week, our community has lost a
legend, Peter Cyril Byrne. All of

432
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:24.480
us at the Sasquatch Experience extend our
thoughts of sympathy to friends and family of

433
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:31.440
Peter accomplished author of nineteen books,
most famous ones being The Hunt for Bigfoot

434
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:37.960
and the Search for Bigfoot, Monster, myth or Man, the Last of

435
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:43.079
the Famous Four Horsemen, Grover Krantz, Reneed de Hindon, John Green,

436
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:49.719
godspeed, mister Byrne, You will
be missed. Thanks again for listening to

437
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:55.840
this edition of The Bigfoot Bullhorn exclusively
on the Sasquatch Experience. Until next time,

438
00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:00.280
keep your toes in the mud about
keeping my toes in the mud.

439
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.480
But I want to put my foot
up your ass with that Nessy number one.

440
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.519
Really, you couldn't have lied and
just changed the list. I'm not

441
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:15.320
the one that did the survey,
is I know she put an over under

442
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:22.159
on that won some bucket watch experience. John Porker, Henry May, Matt

443
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:23.440
Arnoerd, James Baker, Vince has
a Bit, Brian Corby, and our

444
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:27.320
guest tonight, Doug high Check.
Of course you're all here for Doug,

445
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:30.519
which is the great thing. But
vance thank you for that marvelous news segment.

446
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:35.880
As always, even though it was
postated in the future. That's okay,

447
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:40.280
we'll let it slide this time for
July thirty first, not August July

448
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:44.280
thirty first. That's what I said, Yeah right, yeah, yeah,

449
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:47.840
we knew before we uh, before
we took our break and went into the

450
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:52.239
future. We were talking about Dan
know. Henry brought up a good point

451
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:57.239
of you know, Doug and Company
filming a giant squid, Doug, when

452
00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:00.800
you're trying to put together a project
like Monster Quests or uh, you know,

453
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:06.440
how do you how do you present
something like that to someone to create

454
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:09.840
a create a television show because that
nothing like that had really happened long form.

455
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:14.599
They were kind of one off episodes
on other other shows, but nothing

456
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:20.079
full form, like well it's it's
it's tough. Um. I got a

457
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:23.559
little bit lucky on Monster Quest because
I did allege me. Okay. So

458
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:30.440
I started out doing them just wildlife
research and um doing outdoor shows. Then

459
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:36.079
I got a job filming for a
show called Wild About Animals with Mary at

460
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:40.440
Hartley I remember her from the Rockford
Files. And then from there, um,

461
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:47.119
I did a Animal Planet documentary called
The Man Who Walks with Bears um,

462
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:53.159
and that's where I did my first
outdoor TV station to try to film

463
00:39:53.599 --> 00:40:00.800
um a wild black bear give birth, and of course the bear had absorbed

464
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:06.079
her cubs, she wasn't heavy enough
to actually give births. That we failed,

465
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:12.519
did it again, finally succeeded on
that. But it's so cool to

466
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:16.719
see people like Adam because I'm getting
old, but Adam has taken things like

467
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:22.639
he gets expired by inspired by things, and Adam Colt has gone, you

468
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:28.239
know, damn times over what we
what I ever did, but still using

469
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:32.559
kind of that same inspiration of trying
to do something that's never been done.

470
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:38.239
Adam it recognizes better than anybody that
this is going to take a great effort

471
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:43.880
to get footage. And once again
you're not strapping a camera on a tree

472
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:46.400
and expecting to have a big foot
walk by and wave at the camera.

473
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:51.880
And the same with the giant squid. It was many, many steps.

474
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:57.360
I remember the boardroom meeting I was
in with his Tree Channel. I remember

475
00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:00.599
everybody rolling their eyes explained, well, first we're gonna do this, I'm

476
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:04.199
gonna build this, and we're gonna
do this, and we're gonna catch a

477
00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:07.280
squid. Then we're gonna we're gonna
put a camera on that squid and attach

478
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:13.599
it with bolts and washers and cottage
bins, and then we're gonna release that

479
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:17.559
thing down and hopefully it wims straight
down like it did, completely natural,

480
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.599
and there there it was. It
was just it seemed so simple, you

481
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:25.760
know, once it was done,
just like I'm sure Patterson felt like,

482
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.920
oh my god, that was so
easy. You know. They got reports

483
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:34.480
that were tracks in an area they
started exploring. They had a perfect storm,

484
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:38.360
they had a big downfall of a
bunch of roots, They had a

485
00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:44.679
creek that was running fast. They
were on horseback to cover their scent and

486
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:50.360
sound. Roger had practiced pulling that
damn you know, sixteen millimeter camera,

487
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:54.320
hunting a scabbard quick and pulling the
trigger and the right kind of cameras focused,

488
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:58.440
and it just all came together.
And so I felt kind of that

489
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:04.320
way too, not really deserving of
anything, and a great team of divers,

490
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:08.159
because they could have easily have failed
getting a squid big enough to put

491
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:13.280
a camera on. That could have
happened so easy. Because that wasn't my

492
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:19.480
first squid expedition. I went on
one for Discovery Channel, and I remember

493
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:25.079
sneaking on a big milar tail and
a well camera. We had a thousand

494
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:30.119
foot of cable on it, and
I snuck it in the luggage with all

495
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:36.519
this other gear. Discovery paid for
stuff, and I remember when everybody was

496
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.559
kind of doing their CST but the
boat was going to another location. I

497
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:46.199
was trolling for a big squid and
something grabbed my camera and tore the cable

498
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:52.039
off, literally ripped a six hundred
pound tencil rank cable right now, and

499
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:55.199
I went, oh, someday,
I'm coming back here with the right goods

500
00:42:55.239 --> 00:43:00.360
and the right team, And that's
kind of what happened. UM asked about

501
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:07.000
Sean about how I got Monster Quester, how that came about. I was

502
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:12.679
interested in Bigfoot because I found tracks
up in the Arctic, and Peter Byrne

503
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:15.840
was the guy that I sent the
film to and he gave me a response

504
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:20.360
on the film. He agreed they
were footprints, and he said, yeah,

505
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:23.800
there was a sighting up literally near
that lake. Was selling lake up

506
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:29.440
in Northwest Territories back in the eighteen
hundreds. So I was like, oh

507
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:31.880
cool. And so I did get
to talk to Peter on the phone a

508
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:37.280
little bit and he was nice enough
to get back to me not nice enough

509
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.760
to return my damn tabe though,
So I hope, I hope, I

510
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:47.000
hope Todd can find it anyhow,
So I um um got really interested in

511
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:52.760
Bigfoot. UM got all the Matt
moneymaker. Matt was kind enough to spend

512
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:57.159
a ton of time with me,
fill me in on you know, kind

513
00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:00.320
of the basic stuff. Man.
These sightings happened where there's woods, water

514
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:07.679
and hills, and so that really
hearing all these facts kind of got me

515
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:10.039
going, oh man, we need
to do a show. So I did

516
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:15.559
Legamide Science. Then I went on
to do Mysterious Encounters for the Outdoor Life

517
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:21.360
Network. I think that was the
first really science he big It was the

518
00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:25.320
first Bigfoot series. We even had
the backpacks that they used in finding Bigfoot.

519
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:30.480
We had rolled back in the early
two thousand, two thousand and one.

520
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:35.440
We had drones, We had helium
balloons with Gimbal's thermal cameras. We

521
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:39.960
had camera traps that were I think
way better than the common camera troops.

522
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:45.559
Now a little more similar to what
we had. We would bury. We

523
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:50.239
would bury the recording unit, you
know, a long ways away, and

524
00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:53.519
then we would take just a thin
coaxle and bury that and then just put

525
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:59.039
the camera with him for red lights, and of course we had filmed a

526
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:04.079
lot of wildlife and ever bigfoot.
Um. So then I started pitching to

527
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:07.679
Kanto. UM, couldn't sell it, couldn't sell it, nobody was interested

528
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:10.639
in it. And then one day
I was watching TV and there was a

529
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:16.719
movie, a movie trailer for King
Kong that um, Peter, I can't

530
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:22.840
think of Peter's last name. They
got the producer and I went, Peter

531
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:25.239
Jackson, right, yeah, Peter
Jackson, and I got really excited.

532
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:30.800
I'm thinking the real King Kong.
Giganto there o King Kong, and of

533
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:35.320
course had this right up. Stacy
heat was Night nice enough to voice this

534
00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:42.280
demo for King Kong. I pitched
it to NBC through my agent UM and

535
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:46.119
they said, no, will take
it. And then it got signed off

536
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:50.880
by everybody at NBC. It was
going to be a primetime special in NBC.

537
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:54.800
Finally it got vetoed by I believe
the president of NBC. They said,

538
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:59.119
just take it to History Channel.
So they took it to History Channel.

539
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:00.880
They said, yeah, we'd love
to do it. So I did

540
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:06.440
it and literally it was like the
next morning when the overnight ratings came in.

541
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:09.199
They were. They were blown away
by the high ratings. I guess

542
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:13.920
it was like their highest rated showever. And they said, Doug, can

543
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:17.440
you do more of these? And
of course I answered, yeah, of

544
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:22.559
course, yeah, you know,
send the contract over, and so they

545
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:28.440
did. We ended up signing a
contract and literally negotiating everything a little.

546
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:31.320
I think within the twenty four hours
it was all done and I started doing

547
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:36.119
Monster Quest and from day one it
was a big hit, and you know,

548
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:40.280
it was shattering and shattered all the
ratings of everything. And you can

549
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:45.599
see they're kind of into the paranormal
shows to this day. Um right,

550
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:49.960
and I keep going, hey,
how come you don't want more Monster Quests?

551
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.920
Oh? Dog, it's so good, we don't need anymore. And

552
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:57.719
so it's all over Europe. But
it's still bringing in, you know,

553
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:02.480
residuals, and it's still doing good. You know, Doug, go ahead,

554
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:07.519
shut Henry and I started Sasquatch Experience
in two thousand today. Okay,

555
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:12.280
so we've been podcasting about this a
very long time. But I you know,

556
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:19.000
to a credit to you for helping
to keep the fervor going with the

557
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:23.440
public so that they care about it
more than just kind of a pop cultural

558
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:29.679
kind of side show to something tangible
and real, and I went with Monster

559
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:35.320
Quest. Yeah, Church or today
Matt Napp on the phone and Matt and

560
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:37.719
I were talking, how you know
Monster Quest. You didn't have just the

561
00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:43.199
talking heads of the Peter Burns and
the John Greens and everybody anymore, the

562
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:46.360
Lauren Colemans. You had real researchers
on the ground in these areas, and

563
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:52.320
you connected people with them. So
I think some of this renaissance is due

564
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:57.400
to you and Monster Quest for kind
of creating that excitement and bringing legitimacy back

565
00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:01.239
to people can see what we're doing
now. I appreciate that. I appreciate

566
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:07.239
that, Sean. Always. I
always try to tell people the reason Monster

567
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:13.440
Quest was different because I was not
a producer. First, I was a

568
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:20.960
wildlife researcher who had Bigfoot experience.
I wanted answers. I wasn't just trying

569
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:23.400
to make money thinking oh this is
a great fad, let's jump on board

570
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:30.440
making you know, monster films.
I wanted damn answers because I wanted answers

571
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:34.239
to what I had, you know, what I had seen, So that

572
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:37.519
made it passionate. So I didn't
just do the I didn't take the easier

573
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:40.280
out. I could have taken a
much easier rout. With every episode,

574
00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:46.800
I put a lot of work in
passion into planning and technology trying to get

575
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:52.280
answers. We may have failed many, you know, many times, which

576
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:55.599
we did, but we did accomplish
a few things. But I think the

577
00:48:55.599 --> 00:49:01.320
biggest accomplishments was just to raise the
topic a bit, right, you know,

578
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:06.639
And and I'm proud of that.
I'm hoping LEGI meets science too,

579
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:10.519
that we're working very hard at looking
for field efforts. First. We still

580
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:17.320
have some very stunning field efforts coming, and we start filming on the fourteenth.

581
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:22.599
Actually other categories, because we are
going to be looking at twenty four

582
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:32.480
Listen to this, guys, twenty
four new categories of evidence, not not

583
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:39.360
not twenty four pieces of evidence.
Twenty four new categories. That's going to

584
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:43.000
open up, I think, a
whole new world for a lot of people.

585
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:45.880
The one it's going to give them
new things to look for, to

586
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:51.960
collect, reasons to do it.
I think it's going to open up the

587
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:55.039
eyes of a lot of scientists and
maybe we'll even get some you know,

588
00:49:55.159 --> 00:50:00.840
DNA and some hard stuff going because
the man, we have a lot of

589
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:06.280
really good vetted samples. For instance, Aba just mentioned the rock. We're

590
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:09.159
in the area where a rock where
one of his team members got hit in

591
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:14.079
the head with a rock. I
have the rock right here, I'm looking

592
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:17.679
at it. It's wrapped in paper
and sterile paper. But they collected it

593
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:24.480
because there was touched by something.
There should be DNA because now we don't

594
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:30.039
need as much DNA to get really
good results to get the full genome.

595
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:35.639
I'm working with people that are solving
fifty year crimes on one to two three

596
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:43.440
skin cells and getting convictions on a
few skin cells old DNA fifty years old.

597
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:46.880
What's on that rock is brand new. It's just literally less than a

598
00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:52.360
month old. It's not fifty years
old. So that's where I'm kind of

599
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:55.559
going. I think you can throw
out everything that's been done in the past

600
00:50:57.079 --> 00:51:00.679
on DNA. I am working with
it like Derby or cut the University of

601
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:05.559
North Carolina. UM. I think
I certainly helped get Darby kind of excited

602
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:09.400
about this project because I've got I'm
sitting on so many vetted samples. Hey,

603
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:15.960
I've got I've got hair back from
the Freeman footage. Still Paul Freeman

604
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:20.400
collected that I've personally vetted. Um. I go way back with all sorts

605
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:24.320
of samples. We have skin sebum
samples that should have sloughed off skin cells.

606
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:30.000
There's also the chemical compounds that are
in the in this sebum, which

607
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:37.039
seems to be much thicker, um, much waxier than normal normal human sebum,

608
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:40.960
and sebums keeps our skin moist.
It also helps us grip stuff,

609
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:45.320
which would be really handy in the
woods from a big foot to be able

610
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:49.920
to grip things. Sure. Um, and there's some correlations with gorillas.

611
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:53.320
Is that I just found out about
with this thick, waxy sebum. I

612
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:59.519
was talking to a zookeeper and this
is this is not any scientific papers,

613
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:04.679
He tells me, Doug, when
I heard you talking about this sebum,

614
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:08.760
and I'll thick it was and it
was white. He goes One day I

615
00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:15.960
was letting my male gorillas out of
the pin and they were covered with this

616
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:22.760
white, sticky stuff that was bubbling
out of their armpits. And I went,

617
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:25.239
oh, maybe it doesn't see them. What still is even if it's

618
00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:30.559
coming out of their armpits. Maybe
it's something that they make an excess when

619
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:35.559
they get agitated or scared. Or
whatever. But then maybe they wipe it,

620
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:37.159
you know, they get it on
their hands. It may serve a

621
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:42.119
lot of purposes. It could be
a their mosquito repellent for all we know.

622
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:47.199
So that's just one area, which
it's something I call three D evidence

623
00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:54.679
because you have the forensic you have
the forensic latent prince, then you have

624
00:52:54.960 --> 00:53:00.199
the chemical compounds that are in the
sebum, and then you have DNA,

625
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:05.440
three different things from one sample.
That's kind of a big deal. Yeah,

626
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:07.599
it's incredible, better than any footage
that you're gonna get. You know,

627
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:12.400
footage is great because it makes us
all feel good, you know that

628
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:15.159
we're not crazy. Oh there it
is. Yeah, yeah, it's every

629
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:16.800
time I look at the Patterson footage, I go, okay, I'm not

630
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:22.800
crazy. But that's just a feel
good thing. It ain't gonna prove anything.

631
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:27.239
It raises the bar, but don't
prove anything. So um, but

632
00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:31.480
just skin and sebum. So Abe
and his crew took on this project,

633
00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:37.159
the Sebum Collection project, and literally
within I can't even remember the exact days.

634
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:43.960
It was just a number of days
they had five of the sebum collection

635
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:47.800
or four sum you know, it
was five, I believe maybe abe can

636
00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:52.320
correct me. It was four or
five sebum collection plates, which is blue

637
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:59.000
plexiglass, get ripped off of trees
and go missing. Oh wow, because

638
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:04.480
I in a theory they like blue
only because of things I've seen and things

639
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:07.079
I've heard for many, many,
many years, and so they were willing

640
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:12.079
to get on board with this and
do a lot of work. Build things,

641
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:15.559
put things up in trees up high. These things all went missing,

642
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:20.199
and many in different areas. These
weren't all in one area. These were

643
00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:24.440
hundreds of miles apart, one hundred
miles apart in one instance. They put

644
00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:29.280
they all ended with the same feat. I spent a thousand dollars on a

645
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:34.840
drone two weekends ago to look for
one of those plates. That's how valuable

646
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:37.960
they are to me. And of
course we failed, as the thousand bucks

647
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:43.400
just gone. But I hired one
of the best drowne operators in the country

648
00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:46.480
to do this, and he gave
it, you know, a college shry.

649
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:50.559
The weather didn't cooperate, blah blah
blah. You guys all though the

650
00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:55.719
story, but we didn't find anything. So so now well, oh yeah,

651
00:54:55.719 --> 00:55:02.239
ig oh, just one sorry,
that's fine. Here, he's just

652
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:07.920
gonna mention one thing we also then
put since they were disappearing, we put

653
00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:14.239
small GPS trackers on the new ones, and of course we put these GPS

654
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:17.400
trackers. As far as I know, none of them have been touched now

655
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:22.559
with the GPS tracker on them,
So it's like, what is with these

656
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:25.920
things? Yeah? Why why?
Why are you not touching these now?

657
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:30.719
I know, And it's like you
feel like I do feel like the coyote

658
00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:39.320
trying to get the road runners just
laughing at me, and so thank you

659
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:43.840
Abe for all your help. And
he said, yes, five went missing

660
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:47.400
different areas. Abe said five.
And well, we're excited about Legend Meat

661
00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:53.239
Science too, I know several of
us are back. Legend Meat Science is

662
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:57.599
one of the first documentaries, uh, you know, in the early two

663
00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:02.159
thousand Set Again rejuvenated a lot of
this. It was for me. Sasquatch

664
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:06.400
The Apes among Us was a book
I read when I was nine and catapulted

665
00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:10.119
me into this and then Sasquatch Legi
Meat Science, which you know, energized

666
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:14.519
and goddess you know you think about
it, Doug, there hasn't really been

667
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:19.599
anything of substance in terms of video
besides the Patterson film. Everything else has

668
00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:23.119
been kind of sound and you know, kind of anecdotal stuff. But we've

669
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:29.440
been rested on the Patterson film for
a long time. We need something different,

670
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:34.480
and I think what you're doing here
is the direction. Maybe it's maybe

671
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:37.800
it's not the film. Maybe it's
these other components in the DNA collection and

672
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:43.079
the cumulative efforts of that that really
proved the thing exists. It's very elusive,

673
00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:45.519
we know that, and if it's
starting to evade technologies, you know,

674
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:50.800
we're definitely not dealing with something that's
got limited intelligence. No, there's

675
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:54.800
no way. I was going to
mention one of the films that will be

676
00:56:54.920 --> 00:57:00.079
in Legi Meat Science and it's going
to be debuted at Squatch cun squatchkohn Idaho

677
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:06.079
on August twenty six, and people
can they can purchase an online ticket.

678
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:14.440
Is there is a baby being lifted
in that footage that I found way back,

679
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:19.320
way way back in the nineties and
it's now been enhanced really well,

680
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:29.119
and that's gonna debut um at squatchcohn
Um in August twenty six. So yeah,

681
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:32.239
the Freeman footage, John Yea And
if you know, um, I

682
00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:36.599
still have to always say, you
know, Paul was such a dedicated researcher.

683
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:38.760
And I know some people have accused
him of being a hoax or because

684
00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:45.000
he collected so much evidence and blah
blah blah. But um, I can

685
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:50.519
tell you I put his footage through
tons of paces and couldn't have proven anything

686
00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:54.920
with just the Freeman footage. And
it wasn't until I saw a creature bend

687
00:57:55.000 --> 00:58:00.800
down and pick up a baby and
the legs wrap around the way and the

688
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:04.840
head articulate on its own. Then
I went, oh, that's a hundred

689
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:10.280
percent at this point, wow,
So I was gonna mention Doug. I

690
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:16.639
have a rock Kathy Strain gave me
from Area X which had which is wrapped

691
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:22.519
in plastic. She said it was
thrown onto they there's some old cabins they

692
00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:24.800
have out there and Area X,
and she said it was felling on the

693
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:30.760
roof and they collected off the roof. And I still have that rock.

694
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:35.039
Well, yeah, we should maybe
talk about it. Um. Plastic,

695
00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:42.239
unfortunately, is one of the things
that destroys DNA rais. There's a lot

696
00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:46.719
of oils and plastics. I shouldn't
say I know anything about saran rap I

697
00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:53.159
don't, but a lot of plastics
have oil compounds that really it's a petroleum

698
00:58:53.239 --> 00:59:00.039
based right, so you always want
to cove. You collect like fingerprints are

699
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:06.719
handprint or other things hair, put
it in paper, Put it in a

700
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:10.320
paper envelope of acid free paper.
If you can buy some envelopes of your

701
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:15.559
researcher and paper, look for acid
free, it's even better, right right,

702
00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:21.840
go ahead, jabe I, Well, I have two points. One

703
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:28.360
is that Temple grandin one of in
her many studies of animal research, because

704
00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:34.239
she was trying to make cattle ranching
easier, she noticed that blue is a

705
00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:39.719
color actually calmed a lot of animals. It was a serene color, and

706
00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:44.599
that was part of that was part
of the reason why that when she made

707
00:59:44.679 --> 00:59:50.159
her device, because cows can't swim
to a degree, but they were dying

708
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:52.599
when they were bringing them from one
air to another. One that went to

709
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:57.920
clean them because the cows were so
inundated with so much stimuli, and her

710
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:00.840
being autistic actually made it easier for
to see that from the cow's perspective.

711
01:00:01.519 --> 01:00:07.519
But when she painted all the cow
carriers blue, that it actually calmed and

712
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:14.719
they had less deaths due to drowning
because the cows didn't get as affected because

713
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:20.119
it was all one sterile color that
they liked and calmed them down. My

714
01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:24.239
second point, yeah, my second
point, there's a really The movie on

715
01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:29.079
her is really amazing and it does
explain some of those points better than my

716
01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:34.960
dumbass. But the other point I
have is, you know you were talking

717
01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:38.880
about plastics. Could you use the
same stuff you use for comic books and

718
01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:45.159
put it in bags like that?
No, I wouldn't. That's that's supposed

719
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:49.800
to be that it doesn't affect the
paper at all. What that has I

720
01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:55.320
believe is a would base plastic mum, And I just it's just so safe.

721
01:00:55.679 --> 01:01:01.119
The paper envelopes are so cheap.
Point pain still has an oil base

722
01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:07.719
to it though, because most plants
do produce their own oil and it will

723
01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:14.440
contaminate a DNA evidence. So yeah, I believe you're absolutely correct. U.

724
01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:17.559
Yeah, used acid free paper,
if at all possible, tissue paper

725
01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:22.480
or even you know, just a
standard envelope, you could use that too,

726
01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:27.880
but the acid free paper would be
the best way to go. Yeah.

727
01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:34.239
I'm a detective and with my police
department I do forensics. I'm still

728
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:37.159
involved. Yes, and uh yeah, we would never put anything that we

729
01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:45.599
were testing DNA into any sort of
plastic for that particular reason. So the

730
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:51.039
paper bags. One of the first
things that we do is teach guys how

731
01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:54.199
to make the little envelopes with a
piece of paper, you know, with

732
01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:58.320
a just a sheet of paper.
So if you do have something, you

733
01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:05.880
can do a quick envelope. Well
that's what Adela Real did with the rock.

734
01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:08.639
He made a paper envelope. They
collected it with you know, Robert

735
01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:14.480
Latex gloves through it in the and
this homemade envelope pulled it it all up

736
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:17.679
and I got it handed to me, and I'm really excited to get it

737
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:24.480
tested. That's awesome. So and
that's you know, those things um may

738
01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:30.000
yield amazing things. We just don't
know. We don't know what we're dealing

739
01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:35.280
with. Because I have tested so
many hairs at this point they always come

740
01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:38.960
back human, even though the morphology
says no, there's no way it's human.

741
01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:45.000
No Mandela tapered end. Uh,
it's whisper, it's thinner diameter,

742
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:50.239
almost like a baby hair. Um. It's just that all the properties of

743
01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:54.159
a wild human. And there's no
way that it came off a human ten

744
01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:58.159
feet up, off you know,
in a tree or in a pole.

745
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:02.519
Um we look at like powerline cuts. A lot of times they they I

746
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:07.599
think there isn't was backscratchers because there's
no low branches, so they can really

747
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:13.440
get in there and scratching their back
on these wooden powerline plus plus I think

748
01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:20.280
they're using those powerline cuts as travel
routes are. Yeah, right, it's

749
01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:23.679
We had a question the beginning of
the show dug around the height of the

750
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:27.440
cameras that you were placing. Do
you have them at varying heights around the

751
01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:30.960
camp or just kind of the box
I thought got lifted was just you know,

752
01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:35.679
two and a half feet up.
It just looks like, you know,

753
01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:37.320
we're trying to make it look like, oh I had some oatmeal and

754
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:43.480
I left the box out, just
a regular camper eating oat mill and good

755
01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:45.519
night, just like everybody does and
they go camping, you know the mess.

756
01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:50.480
You always got to pick up a
bunch of crap people leave out and

757
01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:53.239
uh, and that's kind of the
that's kind of the game plan these first

758
01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:59.000
few days. Um, no doubt. We'll just keep changing things. But

759
01:03:59.239 --> 01:04:05.440
there's tonight it's nothing, no ir
lights on any camera, nothing continuously.

760
01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:12.400
We're gonna be recording continuously, so
cameras will be on tonight, all of

761
01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:16.440
them, but no lights um and
then we'll change it up tomorrow. So

762
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:21.639
we like the experiment you try at
snow Grove Lake, but on steroids.

763
01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:28.159
Yeah, Snowgirl, Oh my god. Yeah. We put infrared cameras under

764
01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:32.400
the eaves, and then we made
it look like we I built a a

765
01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:36.280
blind that went in the game.
Was probably idea. I thought, build

766
01:04:36.320 --> 01:04:41.639
a blind in the cabin that was
really thick black material so the creatures would

767
01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:46.639
think we're sleeping. Meanwhile we're watching
everything. We had surveillance cameras all around

768
01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:55.800
the camera, and of course nothing
happened zero. Oh those are heartbreak moments.

769
01:04:56.280 --> 01:05:00.519
Yeah, yeah, well I think
break throwing on the if that was

770
01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:04.760
different. That got everybody moving,
didn't it. Yeah. You know what

771
01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:06.880
I was going to say there though, Doug, is that. Yeah,

772
01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:13.800
it's heartbreaking, but it still gives
the truth to people that may be interested.

773
01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:16.360
And I say this time and time
again at presentations or anything I'm doing.

774
01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:19.800
You know, in all the years, I can have a handful of

775
01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:26.119
experiences that were amazing, but the
rest of the time in the twenty eight

776
01:05:26.239 --> 01:05:30.599
years is just being in the woods
and it's not always dramatic or exciting,

777
01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:33.199
and you got to take that as
well as the good stuff, you know,

778
01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:36.480
like because if you're having stuff happen
all the time, I think that's

779
01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:41.360
a different problem. Either you hit
the running spot or you've got a mental

780
01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:45.800
illness. Like you know, there's
there's very rarely is there that that golden

781
01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:50.679
opportunity that's well, that was kind
of an example number one. The first

782
01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:54.400
time it happened, we you know, we had all sorts of stuff happened.

783
01:05:54.920 --> 01:05:57.639
There was even more stuff that happened
that didn't make it in the show,

784
01:05:57.800 --> 01:06:01.320
believe it or not. Um,
But second time we went up with

785
01:06:01.519 --> 01:06:10.039
more gear, better technology, more
ideas than nothing happened. Ye completely uneventable.

786
01:06:10.599 --> 01:06:14.199
And that's really hard when you're doing
a TV show. Sure, but

787
01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:16.880
you just got you know, we
told it like it was. Thank god.

788
01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:21.760
The floatplane pilot landed and goes,
hey, there were some Native women

789
01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:25.800
that had a sighting, you know, one hundred air miles from here.

790
01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:30.280
Dude, I said, you guys, go they got a plane and went

791
01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:33.920
to interview them. They saved the
show, those two native ladies. And

792
01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:40.159
they were of course picking blueberries,
which is why everything we didn't have any

793
01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:45.920
Actually, blueberries weren't ripe yet.
You came up too early. That's a

794
01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:48.440
really tough thing to do, is
to time it, you know, when

795
01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:54.280
all the conditions are right. An
expedition, because you can't control blueberries ripening

796
01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:58.239
the weather. No. No,
but every year before that they were riping

797
01:06:58.559 --> 01:07:02.119
August seventeenth. Up there, it's
one year they weren't. You know.

798
01:07:02.239 --> 01:07:09.440
You brought up an interesting term called
timing. And I'm gonna go and step

799
01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:13.679
back, probably I don't know,
fifteen twenty minutes back into this conversation.

800
01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:18.840
But man, I'm telling you,
Robert Stack nailed it for unsolved mysteries,

801
01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:24.559
but Stacy Keach nailed it. Might
tell what you did, I'm telling you,

802
01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:29.760
man, that's that. That's what
immediately snaps my interest. I don't

803
01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:32.840
care. Clearly they're in rerun,
but as soon as I hear that voice,

804
01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:36.119
I'm part of my ass on the
couch and watching it. Whether I've

805
01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:42.039
seen it one or if I've seen
it twenty times. Oh, stay just

806
01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:45.639
alone. Just so you know,
Van Stacy is the nicest man you'd ever

807
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:50.239
I know he is. We ended
up hanging out constantly. He flew up

808
01:07:50.280 --> 01:07:55.039
even when my son got hit by
a car. He flew up to signs

809
01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:58.679
gass and he would do things like
he was just a great guy. We

810
01:07:58.840 --> 01:08:03.480
ended up yeah, really good friends
and doing projects together. Yeah. He

811
01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:08.360
was a native from the area on
which I'm in. But yeah, he's

812
01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:11.559
a Chicago boy. He's one of
those, one of one of those.

813
01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:14.199
I don't know if they're rare,
but he was one of those, um

814
01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:18.079
very famous actors that just he was
just so down to earth. Yeah,

815
01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:21.399
but boy he nailed it from Monster
Quest. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

816
01:08:23.079 --> 01:08:27.680
Okay, say Stacy didn't do Monster
Quest. He did Legimian Science.

817
01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:32.079
Yeah he did, he did.
You're right, My Monster Quest was done

818
01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:40.119
by another amazing guy, Dan Bernard. And Stan not eighty two years old

819
01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:45.079
when he was doing a Monster Quest. Yep, wow, doesn't at all.

820
01:08:45.319 --> 01:08:46.680
Huh, all right, doesn't sound
like it at all. I to

821
01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:51.159
find another guy like Stan. Did
Ed Herman do one too, didn't he?

822
01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:57.760
Yeah? He did Gigantos. He
basically did the pilot. Um.

823
01:08:57.920 --> 01:09:00.720
I think ed Ed's passed way now, yeah, he passed away. And

824
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:06.399
Ed was brilliant. I remember me
and Ed going out and over you know,

825
01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:11.279
certain words, and he was really
good. Now, well he was

826
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:15.199
he was he was particular. But
yeah, I worked with Ed Herman on

827
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:18.560
Giganto The World King Kong. Yeah, that's awesome. That's the kind of

828
01:09:18.640 --> 01:09:25.920
nerds we are here watching. I
remember watching Giganto and they going to see

829
01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:30.960
King Kong next night. Oh really, so he went to Peter Jackson's movie

830
01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:38.560
and j Yeah, Yeah, that's
that's absolutely Um, it's just that's cool

831
01:09:38.600 --> 01:09:44.000
to hear this stuff really cool.
Well, a long time kind of coinciding.

832
01:09:44.039 --> 01:09:46.039
It's a shame it's taken us almost
twenty years to get you on sasquatch

833
01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:50.720
experience. But jeez, I w
I would have come on anytime. I

834
01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:57.800
don't care. We talking about people. We love the subject. And you

835
01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:01.359
know I do field research. Mattre
Or and I are research partners. I

836
01:10:01.479 --> 01:10:04.680
get a fortunate privilege of getting to
spend a lot of time with members of

837
01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:12.840
law enforcement and learning methodology and forensics, not just from Matt but from some

838
01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:16.560
others. So I fed a good
research background, which I enjoy now.

839
01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:21.720
Matt and I actually I'm wearing my
Mountain op shirt. Matt are using there

840
01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:26.600
you go, we're using the Mountains
program to get ourselves in shape so we

841
01:10:26.680 --> 01:10:30.600
can do this for another thirty years
and Y and Matt, are you an

842
01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:33.840
active detective? Are you still doing
that? I am, I am,

843
01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:39.319
I have. I'm counting down to
day. So I got about if I

844
01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:43.199
leave early. I'm thinking I can
leave in about three years and retire,

845
01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:45.720
or if I stick around, it's
going to be like six or seven.

846
01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:51.399
So but in fact, actually tomorrow
I have court, so I'm pretty busy

847
01:10:51.479 --> 01:10:57.000
with this. So yeah, well, thanks for your service. About I

848
01:10:57.119 --> 01:11:00.760
really respect police officers. Thank you. Matth good one too. He's a

849
01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:04.159
he's a good dude. Uh does
a lot for his community that he serves

850
01:11:04.199 --> 01:11:13.560
him gentlemen at that time. Uh, Man, Henry, I'm gonna let

851
01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:17.239
you go first. Final questions or
final thoughts for Doug. Well, Um,

852
01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:20.880
I just want to say this was
awesome. I love this show and

853
01:11:21.399 --> 01:11:26.039
I'm glad I was able to be
here for the whole show. How about

854
01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:30.079
problems, Well, I want to
thank you, Henry, because you always

855
01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:34.199
have been a big supporter um of
things I've done in the past, and

856
01:11:34.359 --> 01:11:41.840
I do. I really do appreciate
it. You're welcome that problem, mister.

857
01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:46.479
I'll tell you what I get is
such an honor to have you on

858
01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:50.560
tonight, to be able to talk
to you. I love your your podcast.

859
01:11:50.760 --> 01:11:55.520
I also listen to doctor Jones too, who's on your network, And

860
01:11:55.880 --> 01:12:00.840
yeah, I really try to emulate
a lot of what he does out in

861
01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:05.159
the woods. I'm a little farther
north, but U but uh, you

862
01:12:05.239 --> 01:12:10.680
know, from listening to you,
I'm getting some technology tips and uh,

863
01:12:10.920 --> 01:12:15.359
you know, just some general research
tips between you and doctor Jones. So

864
01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:20.159
I thank you so much for for
everything. Well, thanks Brian, mister

865
01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:26.039
Baker. It's a lot to digest, like just the conversation you had about

866
01:12:26.039 --> 01:12:29.600
the cameras, the colors, things
like that. Um, I want to

867
01:12:29.680 --> 01:12:31.640
thank you for the time because I'm
gonna be going through this for a little

868
01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:35.560
while and trying to kind of see
what because I have cameras up where I

869
01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:40.199
am and we're not searching for Bigfoot. But some of the things you say

870
01:12:40.520 --> 01:12:44.960
are very you know, are very
existent to what me and Sean have found

871
01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:49.399
just looking at regular animals, you
know, dear bear, just squirrels,

872
01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:54.279
you know what I mean. And
and to to kind of take these shows

873
01:12:54.359 --> 01:12:58.239
lately, especially what you're telling me
a lot of that is now going to

874
01:12:58.359 --> 01:13:00.800
look at it with a different lens, and so I thank you for the

875
01:13:00.920 --> 01:13:04.880
time. Yeah. Well, as
you know, bears and deer and even

876
01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:11.199
wolves are very weary of game cameras. They're all weary, all of them.

877
01:13:11.319 --> 01:13:14.399
Yes, that was what one of
my main points was. When we

878
01:13:14.479 --> 01:13:17.079
first put up the cameras. For
the first week, they got near the

879
01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:20.520
trees to figure out why we were
near the trees, but they didn't really

880
01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:25.560
get near the cameras at all.
And then a couple of weeks went by

881
01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:29.399
and honestly they forgot they were there
unless me or him were messing with them.

882
01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:33.840
Should We got great footage of them
just doing dear things. But the

883
01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:36.680
deer when they first saw him,
they were scared. I guaranteed they were

884
01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:42.840
looking into the camera, yeah,
trying to figure out what. And you

885
01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:45.960
made a valid point where you were
like, it might not just be that

886
01:13:46.039 --> 01:13:49.000
the camera makes noise. It's because
they you put it in their house,

887
01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:55.319
you know, and they know it's
not supposed to be there. So true,

888
01:13:55.560 --> 01:13:59.119
so true, so true, And
you know, I guess for me,

889
01:13:59.239 --> 01:14:03.600
I was just really want to thank
Adam Cold and Abe del Rio for

890
01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:10.640
making this teamwork possible, for doing
studies that may be successful, may not

891
01:14:10.840 --> 01:14:15.640
be still a lot of work for
everybody, and we really we just appreciated

892
01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:18.920
everything's such a teamwork. That's what
makes it work. When you've got great

893
01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:24.960
partners and people to work together and
good collaboration. It's it's really important,

894
01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:28.439
and now more than ever, I
think when it used to get stuck in

895
01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:31.199
the mud where Sasquat's research was a
very personal Mimi me thing. The more

896
01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:35.399
you open your mind and you share
with others, the more we're starting to

897
01:14:35.479 --> 01:14:41.359
realize and gather and collect and make
some headway on things that we've been absent

898
01:14:41.680 --> 01:14:45.359
for the last you know. But
if you think about what it takes dude

899
01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:49.319
go and camp alone, sure,
in the middle of the forest alone and

900
01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:54.720
have to work all day and you
know even into the night. He works

901
01:14:54.880 --> 01:15:00.520
on doing you know, camera maintenance
and doing battery maintenance and swap and stuff.

902
01:15:00.880 --> 01:15:02.720
It's pretty amazing. So I really
do want to think at him.

903
01:15:03.159 --> 01:15:08.039
But we've got lots more coming and
leging mead science too. If people do

904
01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:11.520
want to donate money, we do
need it. Let I just go to

905
01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:16.000
Hanger one Publishing and there is a
soft you know, people can pre order

906
01:15:16.039 --> 01:15:19.600
it and that's how it would help
us. Just to pre order the doc

907
01:15:20.079 --> 01:15:23.600
absolutely folks, get out there and
get it. Hanger one Publishing, go

908
01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:29.359
out and get a copy our pre
order your copy of legendet Science, the

909
01:15:29.399 --> 01:15:32.680
credits. Let's naming the crowded so
it really helps us. So Hanger one

910
01:15:32.760 --> 01:15:36.560
Publishing dot Com put a link up. Thanks, We've got the abe.

911
01:15:36.880 --> 01:15:41.760
Abe got it up there for us. Please, um contact me on Facebook

912
01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:45.359
or Messenger, Matt, I'd love
to have a conversation with you two about

913
01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:48.359
forensics and yeah, definitely from your
work if you can get a hold of

914
01:15:48.439 --> 01:15:54.840
me and loved to love absolutely soon. Ye Um, there's some reasons I

915
01:15:54.920 --> 01:15:59.920
want to talk to you and I
don't know. Thanks guys, Yeah,

916
01:16:00.079 --> 01:16:04.119
thank you, really appreciate it and
definitely rest in peace. Peter, you

917
01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:09.119
know he really did. He you
know what he Peter didn't better than anything.

918
01:16:10.119 --> 01:16:14.560
He gave us all a bit of
integrity from way back. I mean

919
01:16:14.840 --> 01:16:17.760
he he had a ton of integrity
from it, and he was a great

920
01:16:17.800 --> 01:16:23.399
spokesperson. You know, here's this
good look and polished, educated man,

921
01:16:24.239 --> 01:16:29.479
and it made us all feel like, oh we're not crazy. Absolutely yeah,

922
01:16:29.880 --> 01:16:32.760
gave it that professional air. Yeah, he really did, and he'll

923
01:16:32.800 --> 01:16:39.079
certainly be missed. A giant that
has left us, but his you know

924
01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:43.039
aura and his research still lives on. Folks. I'm Sean forker On behalf

925
01:16:43.079 --> 01:16:45.640
of Vancenz, but Matt arnerd James
Baker, Brian Corbyn, Henry May and

926
01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:50.399
Doug Hijack. Henry give us those
last words. Ye'll be good there.

927
01:16:50.439 --> 01:16:54.159
It as as simple as that,
Folks, Keep on squatching. We'll see

928
01:16:54.199 --> 01:17:05.159
you in two weeks. Good night, everybody. You've been listening to Sasquatch

929
01:17:05.279 --> 01:17:11.439
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930
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931
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