EP 73: The Swamp Apes

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guests of Sasquatch Experience do not necessarily reflect

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the opinion of the host, sponsors, or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience.

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As always, listener discretion is advised. We got someone or something crawling around

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out here? Does a legend walk
among us working in the forests of our

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world? Did you see what it
was? Well? That a person or

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an animal or I can't go all
my knowledge? If my thenter light came

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on and I get that with a
glimp, and see this thing running across

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the yard, a good side man
or something. It worked like a man.

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I don't know what it was.
For over fifteen years we've talked with

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scientists, researchers, investigators, and
witnesses trying to gain insight and proof around

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the existence of this mysterious entity.
Jesus great, Hello, get somebody out

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here. What's good amount there?
I thought of amction about sixty foot?

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All right, I don't know,
easy amount there? Yeah, I'm working

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right out. Okay, hang on, he's right. Get in your yard

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there, yeah, got you beggar? Okay, what are you doing in

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your yard? What can I do? Join us as we continue into the

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investigation of the Sasquatch Experience and evening. Everyone, Welcome to The Sasquatch Experience,

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Juneteenth, Monday, June nineteenth,
twenty twenty three. I'm Sean the

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Fort Chop Forker, Vince Nesbitt,
James Baker, Matt Arner, and Henry

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May, who joined us during the
intro. Hey, Henry, how you

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doing, buddy? I'm doing great? There are you good? You're faring

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well down there? Okay with all
the weather you guys have going on,

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Yeah, it was rough for a
while. Away well good. Always happy

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to see your smiling face there you
ribbed cheek, wait, worried face of

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joy? Henry May right there for
I don't know, Henry. You split

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into this show tonight like a great
baseball players sliding in the home plate.

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Man, you just nucket right in
there. That was awesome. Good for

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you. Yeah, guys were back. We had a week off as per

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usual this week talking about the swamp
apes, something a little different going down

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south, taking a little break away
from the northern tier and what's going on

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in Pennsylvania to the south. We're
talking about the you know, Boggy Creek

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Monster, the swamp apes of the
Everglades, the skunk apes. And every

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time I think of skunk apes,
guys, I think of David Sheey from

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the old Unsolved Mysteries episode, somebody
I've outlowed for many years who has quite

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the h I don't know, dubious. I would say, he's kind of

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you. You can like the guy. I tell you what, He's really

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hard to not like because he's very
interesting. But you know, as with

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people that tend to make a lot
of outrageous claim sometimes they lack a little

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of the kind of evidence to back
that up. So, Henry, what

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do you think of, Henry when
you hear swamp ape or skunk ape?

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What comes to mind for you?
Well, definitely, you say the monster

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or greats So let's not forget about
the High Island swamp monster, also a

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Louisiana. Yeah, but the Honey
Island swamp monster, Henry, was that

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more primate or more reptile? Oh, that's a good question. I don't

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know, because that toes, remember
those those toes that were pretty well,

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Matt, you and I were talking
about this the other day. For some

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reason, you and I were sending, well, it's not unusual for Matt

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and I to talk back and forth
several times a day, that's not usual.

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But we were talking about a particular
footprint that we found that we saw

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from I think it was Florida,
and as we were talking about it,

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that had that distinct forete impression.
But then I pulled up alligator prints and

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showed them the matt and and truth
be told, you could draw a lot

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of similarities between the two. Yeah, I saw those alligator prints. Yeah.

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Yeah. The one thing is too, is that with the alligators,

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say, they do have uh basically
two of their uh I guess appendages that

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that are first are webbed, and
there's two appendages that are very close together,

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so it couldn't look like uh three
as opposed to four or five appendages

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on that foot. Yeah, and
where they come together, Yes, it's

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kind of like in that middle it
looks like that middle toe. Well,

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it becomes like a middle toe,
and which gives you that four toe impression,

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which looked a lot like those footprints
we were talking about the other day.

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And I'm trying to find them right
now. For some reason, I

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didn't have them at the ready.
You know, the only thing that was

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missing from the cast print that would
have compared it to an alligator. Um.

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The only thing that I saw that
was missing was the claw in print,

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because they do have claws on their
feet, and I didn't see any

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impressions of a claw imprint, which
would be separate from the foot imprint itself.

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Whether those got casted, they probably
would have been casted separately from the

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footprint, but I didn't see any
representation of that. Well, what I'm

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gonna do here is it? Go
ahead, James, Well, you go

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ahead and talk out. Could also
be a chimmy, you know, because

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it's it's and then the body and
then the tails moving and I mean the

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distribution sounds about right fairly though,
because when an alligator or crocodile gets up

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to run, its body is not
on the ground dragging. Okay, so

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they run run, I'm not an
alligator specialist. Yeah, that's just scary.

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They are on all fours and that's
the only thing making contact with the

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ground. That's how they can get
up some speed to take down a prey.

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Okay, yeah, okay. I
wondered about the shimmy because you know

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that makes you think about it.
Yeah, you know, yeah, I

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could just see an hour in Florida
and somebody knocks on my door with candy

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gram that's an alligator doing us.
I'm like, yeah, we done.

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Yeah, I don't know. Oh, we're still taking up donations for w

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D forty for Baker in case anybody. I gotta get a new chair.

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The last two weeks have been a
little eventful. I'm gonna get one.

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I might swap it out for my
office chair. Oh okay, well,

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well we'll dip it in something.
I don't know. I really like this.

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It's just the right comfort that I
could actually just sit down one day

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and put the screwdriver and white broken. What we were talking about Matt and

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I were actually David Hilly's footprint castings
that he had in that case like a

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shadow box, and both those prints
that he has, I'll put him in

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the I'll put him on the show
page here after the show tonight so folks

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can reference them Sasquatch experience on Facebook. Both of those prints could very well

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be gator prints. I think Matt
and I kind of discussed and determined that

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they were. Producer Brian Corbyn swamp
ape. He's a gas he also has

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a gap has gas hey AND's forth
the whole Yeah, I get it,

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totally get it. But you know, guys, I guess the one thing

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is in nineteen fifties, the skunk
ape really starts taking off of popularity,

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really going into seventies and then doesn't
really slow down. I think skunk ape

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sightings have been pretty prevalent since the
fifties. But there was something else that

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happened in the nineteen fifties that was
pretty interesting. And I'm kind of kind

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of que Baker up for something he
wanted to talk about and something he's talked

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about in the past. Guys,
do you know one form of entertainment that

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started to die down in the nineteen
fifties? Boy, no, go ahead

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and do share the circus? So
the circus started dying out right after World

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War Two, when television started becoming
the media medium of choice. And then

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the nineteen twenties, the animal rights
groups you know, kind of started getting

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after, you know, the big
circus companies for the treatment of animals,

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mainly minds and tigers, and they
started walking back their use from them.

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But we all know Florida tended to
be a pretty uh you know, big

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home for some of the circus circus
folk, right, Jupiter Florida itself,

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right, was the kind of base
camp for some of these circus purveyors.

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And sure enough, like, what
do you think may have happened to some

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of these apes that they didn't need
anymore as the circus was starting to no

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longer come to town frequency, Right, So just something I like to point

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out, because when you talk about
the skunk cape, you're talking about an

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ape that's five to six feet tall
on average, not nearly as big as

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a sasquatch in terms of overall build
right, you're talking about one hundred pounds

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or more depending on And then you
go and the Mayaka skunk ape photograph that

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Lauren Coleman got sent to him anonymously, right, I think it's a late

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nineties, early two thousands. He
got that photograph, which to me looked

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like a chimp, kind of a
white beer chimp. Added more credence to

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that that perhaps the skunk cape that
we're seeing maybe an ape. Go ahead,

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Baker. So my biggest thing was, as we talk about there's a

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lot of sightings between Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas where the swamps area

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are up into Mississippi. Excuse me, with the BP. But if you

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look at you look at the past
history. He mentions of a nineteen fifties.

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Nineteen fifties people decided to stay home. Before that, you know,

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once every Saturday or once a month, the carnival come through a side choven.

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They went to live theater. So
they would these live theaters had to

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do more and more outrageous things.
So they bring exotic animals in. They

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bring a variety of things. Well, as these shows died out, they

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would you know, they wouldn't kill
the animal unless they were hungry, but

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they would usually just let go,
or they had ones that escaped, you

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know, in different parts of the
country. Now most of them that They

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also had a lot of pharmaceutical companies
that were doing some things, makeup companies,

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things like that, we're doing things, and they were testing on apes.

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They didn't actually declare how many apes
they were testing on and things like

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that. So some of those apes
were just free or someone helped them out

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of the cage. As you said, you know, some of the groups

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and so these animals, Let's say
Bobo is in New York, Okay,

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and it starts to get cold,
Okay, so he makes his way to

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what where it's getting warmer. Well, the appellation trailed to me, has

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always been a straight shot from a
cold environment down to a warm environment.

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And we see a lot of people
that see things in different areas. We

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also at zoos that flooded or shut
down and things like that. Well,

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well these people didn't have the money
to take care of the animal properly,

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and there was no government sanctions that
noticed anything. So they all flood down

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to Florida or Georgia or Mississippi somewhere
the climates a little more closer to what

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they're used to, and they start
breeding, you know, Florida. Of

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course, we have NASA. NASA
never really tells you how many apes they

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used for their different programs and testing
for two main reasons. One they don't

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want to kind of have a report, and two some of the things they

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did we are not supposed to know. Okay, So you take those apes,

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and you take the apes that are
funneling down through the Appalachian Trail.

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They meet, they make babies,
they're like, where should we go?

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Well, we got they got Swampland
and all these other areas where no humans

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are at for miles, and they
just start bunny in it, you know,

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So I think some of I've been
saying this for years is I think

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some of these natural gunk apes we're
seeing are apes right, and that you

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know, they might be, and
they might not all look right because the

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orangon tang doesn't care what the chimp
woman looks like. He's just kind of

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what some you know, and I'm
sorry, but you know, or you

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know the girl, the poor,
the poor one that they use cosmetic and

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she can't see she didn't really sees
on the other end of that dating pool,

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and then she has four kids and
they look like blah, and then

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evolution takes us. Now I've talked
to worker about this one. And if

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you know anything about Florida, Florida
has a really big population of I'm trying

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to think the word they use unnatural
animals. I'm going to use that word

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because I can't think of the word. I've got a small sinus bl invasive

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species non indigenous right or non indigenous
invasive species both. The cober population in

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Florida is amazing. Not all those
came from not all of them came from

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Florida. Certain certain people one you
know, somebody bought a weird lizard or

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gecko or whatever it is in New
York or and Mama said, you have

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an this is threw it outside.
Well, sooner or later it's gonna find

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warmth or die, right, and
they move down to the warmer states,

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Florida being one of the consistently weathered
states. Pythons. There are some cobras

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though, yeah, but pythons are
pretty much And then they get into the

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regions. Go ahead. Sorry.
There's a couple um major invasive species in

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Florida, uh that are really big
right now. One is the is the

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boa constrictor, which a lot of
these repets released into the Everglades. Uh.

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It's a subtropical environment which is absolutely
perfect for them. There's a lot

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of food for them, and they're
thriving at the point where they have the

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bounties on them right now. But
the other one, um that that's really

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kind of uh melded into the environment
is something called the peacock bass, which

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is originally from UH South America.
It was brought up and dumped into canals

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in UH in the Miami area and
they are nasty looking tropical fish, but

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they could fight and they're actually really
good to eat, and uh they've actually

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they haven't really destroyed the ecosystem down
there like they thought it would. But

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um, I think that's because there's
such a big you know, sport um

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fishery for them. And then we
also have James, like you were saying,

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with the monkeys, I always think
of Tampa they have I think they're

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vervet monkeys that are living they've been
living since the nineteen forties right outside of

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the city of Tampa, and that
population has just been you know, been

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getting strong, you know, over
the years. So the point, yeah,

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you know, the theory is very
solid. You know when when Sean

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brought up the whole skunk Ape,
you know, I was doing research for

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this skunk Ape project for probably the
last six years. Now. There's a

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lot of good docu mentation journalist going
back to the seventeen hundreds up into the

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early eighteen hundreds of the rum trade. Now you're bringing a lot of ships

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across the Pacific Ocean from Africa.
You're bringing it up from South America into

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the tropics. So you're talking the
Bahamas, you're talking Cuba, you're talking

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Florida. Wherever the ships landed,
they would bring all sorts of tradeable things

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with them, including animals, and
oragon tang was part of that animal trade.

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Now you let an oragon tang go
with male female species in a tropical

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swamp environment two hundred and forty three
or two hundred and fifty years later,

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there's going to be an adaptation of
that animal to that environment that they generally

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their mode of transportation is on all
fours, but if you're talking a lot

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of water, they learn how to
walk upright. Just like the billy eate

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that was discovered in the early two
thousands. They walk through the water lands

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bipedally so that their entire body isn't
submerged in the water. And I'm wondering

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if then that two hundred and fifty
year period of time, if these have

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evolved geeven just a little bit to
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to transport themselves through extreme conditions in
a swamp land in order to get food

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and be able to sleep in an
environment where it's not so because there is

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a lot of places in the Everglades
that yeah, you can bed down for

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the night. But I'm wondering if
there's been an evolutionary change, and maybe

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that's part of what you're saying,
bake, you're bringing in these exotic species

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from all over the world when we've
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the west, and they didn't.
No, nobody cared. Nobody cared at

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all. I see it today here
with an animal that's called the camrand.

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That's an Asian bird. We've never
had camrands here when I was a kid,

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never saw it there. They look
very much like a loon that they're

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a duct type of aquatic bird,
but their bodies don't float on the top

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of the water. All you see
is their neck in their head and and

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they fish. Now, all of
a sudden, we're just completely dominated with

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camrands here. Why. Well,
because they came over on container ships.

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They were on the container ship they
come here. Well, now they thrive

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in this here because we're on the
same parallel of the you know, uh,

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you know, with the longitude as
with Asia. Okay, so the

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temperature is a whole lot different than
the foods. We'll eat a fish,

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it's a and I'm well, will
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I'm wondering if you know in a
rang and tang or maybe this is a

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big foot type of creature that's undiscovered
that's in considered, you know, the

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skunk cake that's living in Florida.
It could be either or. And I

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don't want to hear anybody say,
well, I'm an expert and I know

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and that's not because I would just
you know, know, it's not a

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thing. You make a point,
and I'll counter that it's not a bad

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point. I may be wrong.
I will admit that. Anybody knows me

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there's a good chance. Okay,
But here's the thing. The skunt cake

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might also be an offshoot. Hey, right, big Foot's all bobo is

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like, yeah, we have in
some of that, you know, And

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then they had little bobo ets that
we're kind of Bigfoot, we're kind of

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ape. Right. We don't know
enough about both animals, well we know

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about one animal, but we don't
know about the other animal to say he

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can't breathe with that, right.
No, That's why I think your point

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is extremely valid that if you had
an orangutang and there's chimpanzees or other you

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know, primates, yeah, maybe
there is a little bit of cross freedom

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going on there, and and now
you got something completely dever looking that you

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just don't recognize. In the normal
spectrum because in their environment, in their

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natural habitat, No, they're breeding
with each other. But if you're talking

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one female orangutang and one male chimpanzee, well you know, my desires kind

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of see us a little interracial here, and you have to wonder, you

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have to wonder if that's genetically possible. Well, that's a Meldrum question.

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Probably. Yeah. Well Meldrum's a
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Yeah, we'll ask somebody that's got
a background in genetics, m Henry

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we I was thinking of the lizard
Man of Oaker Swamp, not the Honey

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Island swamp Monstreet. Oh yeah,
lizard man. Yeah. I just had

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to clarify that for the record because
for some reason I took a stupid pill.

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Yeah it's okay, I take them
all the time. And while we're

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on that stupid pill comment, we'll
go ahead and take a quick break for

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our new segment. We'll hide,
rate refresh and come back with more swamp

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ape as soon as I can get
the things to respond. Team a Simboy.

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Ah. Yes, it's another heartfelt
fun field adventure on the Big Clip

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Bullhorn, exclusively on the Sasquatch experience. Happy Monday to you all. I

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hope everybody's having a or had a
good weekend and a happy Father's Day,

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and we'll have a great up and
coming week. And that shifts gears from

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what we were just talking about with
the skunk apes swamp apes, however you

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want to refer to them as.
So I'll share a little bit on the

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Bigfoot bullhorn. Reports of the skunk
ape were particularly common back in the nineteen

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fifties and nineteen seventies. The BFRO
has archived hundreds of alleged sightings across almost

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every county of Florida going back to
nineteen fifty five. One of the most

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famous encounters was in the nineteen seventies. Two Palm Beach County Sheriff's deputies reported

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then an ape like creature stalk them
through the grove or a grove before they

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shot at it. They followed the
trail of footprints that led them to a

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push down fence with snagged hair in
it. Despite several witnesses, nobody or

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evidence was ever found. Now you
may be asking yourself, have there been

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any sightings in Florida recently? Well, this is what we're talking about.

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Sightings continued to this day. Forty
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Florida have reported sightings since twenty ten. One of those most recent sightings was

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in nineteen ninety seven. Yeah,
that's not recent, but a photograph of

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a dark upright figure in the swamp
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Chief and within two weeks, over
fifty people reported alleged sightings of a hairy

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creature within the Big Cypress National Preserve. Now, whether the skunk Gape truly

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exists or not still remains a mystery. When we come back, we'll do

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some updates for you on up and
coming things that you might want to participate

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Pennsylvania big Foot Research Project has three
more events coming up this year. The

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first one is this coming weekend Saturday
and Sunday, June twenty fourth and twenty

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fifth, bull Skin Flea Market,
which is at the bull Skin Fairgrounds and

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guests where that's located. Yeah,
as you'd be correct, bull Skin Township,

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Pennsylvania. But that's next weekend,
the twenty fourth and twenty fifth.

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And on July fifteenth, And boy, I hope I pronounce this correctly,

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and if I do, feel free
to slide me upside the head. On

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July fifteenth, Bigfoot Conference Perry Township
Volunteer Fire Company at Perio Police Perio Polpus

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Periopes, Pennsylvania. Did I pronounce
that correctly? You'll shake your head,

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raise your hand, whatever. And
then on August nineteenth, the sixth Annual

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Bigfoot Day at Patsy Hillman Park in
Hiller, Pennsylvania. Thanks again for listening

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to this edition of The big Foot
bull Horn exclusively on the Sasquatch experience,

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and remember keep your toes in the
mud. Let's get back to walking around

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the swamp. Well, you can
see right now our beer of the night

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looked like our graphic uh crapped out
on us there, bush Light Peach.

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Guys, I have been on a
kick for this beer since yesterday, since

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I opened up, cracked open my
first can from our folks over here at

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Beer Here located in River Avenue and
Williamsport, Pup of A our beer sponsors

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for the program, as we like
to bring in the beer of the night

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so refreshing, light and crisp.
It's like drinking a peach. That's it's

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It's me and at A I believe
what is it? Five ABV Baker five

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ABV. You think I can't see
that? Well today, all I know

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is I could drink the thirty pack
all too easy if I wanted to.

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So go out before it's gone.
It's a limited from a release. Go

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to your nearest distributor and pick up
a pack of bush Light Peach. You

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won't regret it, if you don't
mind me adding that we were talking about

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David Sheey and Florida, and now
you're talking about beer, and I see

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if any of our Florida friends would
like to be nice they're skunk ape logger,

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not the skunk ape headquarters. That
would be I'm gonna say that would

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be a fantastic beer to try talking
about the skunk ape. Don go right

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up to the counter, asked a
nice lady if she has a bush like

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peach and nyser bush, minds fine, how's yours? Ye? Well,

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get yourself down to what is it
a chope Florida? There? What is

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it off the interstate Interstate seventy five
or something like that, fifteen miles south

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in Interstate seventy five on the old
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To get yourself some skunk ape logger. Stop in to see David Sheiley

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the Skunkcaine Museum and tell them.
Folks of the Sasquatch Experience send you hm

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or at least recommended you to stop
in. Wow, and a new can

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just miraculously teleported to my dog.
Won't get that? Wow? Fantastic.

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I'm still working on this one.
Our executive producer who's always listening behind the

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scenes. I'm on it will be
in Florida. On Wednesday. Report back

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Brian another person who shares our love
for beer and bigfoot guys, it's synonymous.

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I don't know if there's very many
people involved in the research who doesn't

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like a nice cold one every once
in a while. We're not advocating alcoholism.

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We're just saying we like a nice
drink, not advocating. So let's

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get back to the subject at hand. You know, guys, we talked

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about skunking swamp eight. The whole
Gulf Coast has a plethora of sightings and

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a bunch of different monsters that all
claim home to the various regions in the

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area. I was watching an episode
of Swamp People one day and lo and

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behold, even the Alligator King himself, Troy Landry got on there and was

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telling a story about Old One Eye, and you could hear the screams from

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Old One Eye late at night on
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that of course you got the Honey
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Eventually he ended up getting some video
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Henry, did you ever see the
Honey Monster footage? I have, yes,

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it was part of the Holy Field
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It's very interesting, but I had
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Henry Dana was his granddaughter, correct, it was Harland's grand She's also on

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an episode of Swamp People where they
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there is a documentary she did on
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we start getting into. And then
of course there's been some other shows,

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the Lost Tapes, if you guys
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show they did for Travel Channel Once
upon a time, they did an episode

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about the swamp apes on the Skunk
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start getting into you know, one
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skunk ape or swamp monster would be
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Boggy Creek, right, which I
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into the skunk apes, though some
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known as the swamps, creeks,
and the rivers, they all empty out

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into the same place, right you
go right out there into the Gulf and

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there are some just hair raising stories
out there, guys. No in the

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Boggy Creek monster, in the whole
genre that took place. You guys,

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notice this. I know this kind
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but the dates of these sightings taking
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to be such a plethora of sightings
in that timeframe. And then within late

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yeah, you get sightings here and
there. But and I know the Internet

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has changed everything. I get that, and I put that into the equation,

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but it seems like that was the
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creatures, especially the Boggy Creek And
I'm wondering if it's because of that that's

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what makes that one of the most
popular stories to share. I think you

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could take that in today's world and
start incorporating things like you know, YouTube,

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creepy pasta. You know, that's
just a new way we share these

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urban legends and stories. But think
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drive through movies were becoming popular.
You know, film and TV were on

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the rise. In what better way
to create content than to visualize some of

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the stories that came out of these
areas, right, you know, so

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it's kind of one of those what
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first? Did the media manifest the
monster or did the monster just incorporate and

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elevate the media to start, you
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Right? Well, that's kind of
what my point is, you know,

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with how media is today, because
you can pick up media from so

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many different sources that you can share
a pretty fantastic story, whether it's you

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know, a homemade or a small
town monsters type of presentation about a certain

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creature. It doesn't have the same
impact socially as the drive in theater did

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back in the seventies when Boggy Creek
was a thing, because then everybody was

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enthralled by one story, where now
or being kind of flooded with so many

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stories and then you got to sort
out the bs from the maybe not bs,

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and it kind of takes away that
romanticism of the Boggy Creek monster.

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But yes, like you said at
the beginning of that comment, that is

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a very prominent swamp ape or skunk
ape creature that could have very well have

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moved up through the chain of rivers
and swamps to move north. Who's to

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say why maybe could to get into
cooler region, even though it's not that

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much cooler. But you know,
the point is a change of food source

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or whatever. But the I guess
my point is the entire society at that

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period seems no more engulfed and enrapped
in enveloped in that story than we are

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getting stories today. Yeah, you
might find them fascinating, but now you

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got to store it out. Who
the holsters are. Well, you go

403
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:27.880
to eighteen eighteen in Appalachicola, the
in Florida man sized monkey rating food stores

404
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:31.719
and stalking fishermen along the stores,
right, and then you have seminal Indians

405
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:39.320
that have stories of bow smelling monsters, so you know that stuff predates the

406
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:45.400
Yeah, the movies. And of
course that's just from a quick Wikipedia skin

407
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:51.119
there. I'm trying to find that
actual newspaper clipping because maybe I could just

408
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:57.320
pull up my copy of the historical
Bigfoot here from Chad armand I could eat

409
00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:01.599
someone to death with this book if
I don't destroy my desk. I mean,

410
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:07.960
this is quite the tone here as
you can see. But go ahead,

411
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:12.800
James, you were going to say
something before. So one thing you

412
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:15.719
guys all brought up from like the
eighteen hundreds of the nineteen seventies, will

413
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:22.280
say whatever you want. But like
people gathered, there were cookouts, there

414
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:25.840
were fires, there were a variety
of things. There were special there were

415
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:29.800
you know, there were special events
at the prison. We're not going to

416
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:32.159
call them specifically what they were,
but you know there were there were a

417
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:37.159
lot of people would get together for
church, people would get together for town

418
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:40.639
halls. So like when if I
had a sighting and I felt comfortable about

419
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:46.039
telling it, you heard it from
me. I told you five people what

420
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:52.320
I felt and what happened. So
my I would honestly love that compared to

421
00:37:52.360 --> 00:38:00.480
a right on the social because I
can see in your face and I also

422
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:04.760
know you, Hey, that's the
banker from down the road, not Bobby

423
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:09.480
the rummy. You know. Like
so a lot of times these stories they

424
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:14.880
moved on, you know, and
sometimes like you were talking about the eighteen

425
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:20.760
eighties and things like that, is
if food went missing and someone saw something

426
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:23.400
and they're like, hey, that
wasn't us. It was and I don't

427
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:27.039
think it was an Indian. I
have no clue what it is. It's

428
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:30.280
not a bear. They would form
groups to find out what this thing is

429
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:36.480
or blame the Indians. But that's
a whole other problem. But like everybody

430
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:40.599
would, everybody would hear the story
from the mouth that saw it and be

431
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:45.360
able to judge individually that, Hey, Bob, can't you know what I'm

432
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:50.159
just going to ignore go back to
my house, you know, So go

433
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:55.599
ahead, there's one. James from
the Appalachicola Gazette May seventh, eighteen forties,

434
00:38:55.639 --> 00:39:01.719
states that the habitation of some unknown
animal has just been discovered the upper

435
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:06.920
part of that city, which has
given rise to many strange conjectures. The

436
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:09.599
animal at the time of discovery was
in it, but made its escape.

437
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:15.000
It is said by those who saw
it to resemble somewhat the baboon, and

438
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:17.360
from the size of the nest it
is judged to be five feet in height

439
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:22.599
and of carnivorous description, as many
bones were found about the premises. The

440
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:29.000
nest was nicely made of loose cotton
between several mails. So it's really interesting

441
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:34.000
to think about what's the term they
use in here, nest? What of

442
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:37.599
our friends up in the Olympic project
been kind of staken on. Yes,

443
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:43.440
but now we have you know,
proof back in the eighteen hundred, before

444
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:47.920
modern day bigfooters are talking about Bigfoot
nests, that there's some precedent for that,

445
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:54.880
just even in the history books,
literally the historical Bigfoot in the history

446
00:39:54.880 --> 00:40:04.000
books written in newspapers from a time
where they would have reference for that.

447
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:07.480
I think the other I was gonna
say the other thing too, is uh

448
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:15.679
comparing the Olympic Project to something in
Florida. Uh, the Olympic Project,

449
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:22.800
do you have logging roads that can
take you to well within the range um

450
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:27.440
and then it may be a strenuous
hike, but you can you can get

451
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:34.519
there. Some of these swamps in
whether it's in Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana.

452
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:39.199
Uh, they're almost totally inaccessible that
uh you know, whether you have

453
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:45.519
a boat or uh, if you're
going in any other way, you can't

454
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:51.760
put feet on the ground on every
part of that swamp. And there's areas

455
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:57.039
of those swamps that no person has
set foot off. So it would be

456
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:02.559
easy for uh, something to stay
hidden, to have a nest in an

457
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:08.159
environment like that. Right. Yeah, until your point, Matt, you

458
00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:14.039
could be one hundred yards away fifty
yards away from where something is habitating,

459
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:19.039
you would never know it, you
would never see it. Just the ability

460
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:24.320
to get there right well. And
besides that, there's also alligators, water

461
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:30.280
moccasins, and everything else that are
between you and that fifty yards that you

462
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:36.199
know what, I don't think i'd
be putting my feet no, no,

463
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:38.000
no, no. But you know, we take for granted that stuff today.

464
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:40.920
But you're going back to the eighteen
hundreds, These creatures still exist.

465
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:45.599
You still had water moccasins, and
you still had really dangerous animals where we

466
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:49.840
didn't have the protection of what we
had today. And keep in mind,

467
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.280
guys, when there were slaves escaping
in the underground railroad, they went through

468
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:55.840
that shit a lot of times barefoot, without the comforts of what we have

469
00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:00.000
today. And you want to talk
about perilous journeys and what does people want

470
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:05.079
through, you know, to get
freedom. They went through these treacherous places.

471
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.559
And we're talking about real creatures that
exist. But not even the skunk

472
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:12.280
gave. But here's a story.
Let me share another one from Alabama.

473
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:16.119
It's called a terrible Encounter, half
human monster in a cave. And this

474
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:22.159
is from the Weekly Advertiser October eleventh, eighteen eighty eight. Rocky Creek,

475
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:28.519
Alabama, October sixth, October sixth, The long supposed but heretofore undiscovered cave,

476
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:32.159
which was, before the war the
rendezvous of deserters and escaped slaves,

477
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:37.280
has at last been discovered by a
gentleman from Greenville, mister S. B.

478
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:42.920
Brown. While traveling the road from
Monterey to Rocky Creek, and passing

479
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:46.239
through the old Lime Hills, which
are familiar to old settlers, he discovered,

480
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:51.039
while looking for a spring to get
water, the entrance to a cave.

481
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:54.920
The gentleman, whose curiosity was excited, determined to explore the cave,

482
00:42:55.000 --> 00:43:00.280
and dismounting, he entered, and
upon advancing forty or fifty feet into the

483
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:05.440
cave, it enlarged into a cavern
fifty by eighty feet wide, the floor

484
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:09.679
of which was covered with skeletons of
supposed human beings. While gazing in amazement

485
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:15.679
upon the spectacle, his attention was
attracted by a snarling, rasping noise which

486
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:19.599
seemed to come from another quarter of
this cavern, and upon looking, he

487
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:23.320
saw approaching a hideous monster, half
human and half savage, about four and

488
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:28.639
a half feet high, with arms
three feet long, whose head was level

489
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:32.239
with its shoulders, and the entire
upper portion of its body was covered with

490
00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:37.079
kinky hair of a motley color,
the lower portion of its body being entirely

491
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:42.679
bare, the skin having a rough, callous appearance, its feet being formed

492
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:47.239
with claws like an eagle. Its
face was full and resembled a gorilla.

493
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:52.119
It approached mister Brown in a stealthy
manner, and within ten feet of him,

494
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:55.960
it sprung with a blood curdling howl
upon brown shoulders. Fortunately, mister

495
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:00.599
Reynolds and doctor Jarrett were passing,
and upon hearing the noise, rushed to

496
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:07.119
the rescue of Brown and succeeded in
overpowering the demon. Brown is seriously lacerated

497
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:12.360
about the neck and breast, his
clothing being completely torn off. The monster

498
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:16.880
was left in the cave, and
Brown carried to Cheatham's house nearby and cared

499
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:21.960
for by his good lady and the
doctors. A posse of young men formed

500
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:24.559
themselves into a body and captured the
animal and killed it, and it can

501
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:30.920
now be seen at sermons Gin house. Several men have been missing around here

502
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.639
for the last ten years, and
this accounts for it. But for mister

503
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:37.400
Brown, using his knife with effect. He probably would have been killed before

504
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:42.679
assistance arrived. I will keep you
posted on the matter if anything more should

505
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:46.719
happen. Mister Brown is getting along
all right at the present. Several ligroes

506
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:51.480
left this section to work on railroads
around Birmingham and have never been heard of

507
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:55.000
since. And the description of jeans
coats talies with one described by the mother

508
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:59.760
of a missing boy. So you
think about this creature was killing an eaton

509
00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:04.039
p people and this gentleman happened to
stumble upon it. He's getting attacked.

510
00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:07.159
He screams, and a doctor and
another gentleman come in and now they,

511
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:10.559
you know, supposedly killed this creature. Put it up for showing the gin

512
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:16.719
house, which you know could also
be the explanation for several other disappeared men

513
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:21.480
in the areas. Thinking about that, this is like the eighteen you know,

514
00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:24.840
the eighteen eighties at that and it's
just you know, theres a lot

515
00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:29.639
of detail that goes in there,
but really kind of you think about the

516
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:35.039
description four and a half feet tall
neck or head level with the neck.

517
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:37.719
Guys, what's that sound like to
you? Ye, well, it sounds

518
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:42.920
like what you brought up earlier.
With the baboon or a gibbon, and

519
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:49.719
it could have just been you know, adapted to a cannivorous canniverous sets the

520
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:54.840
wrong word, but a cavernous environment
where maybe some of the hair isn't necessary

521
00:45:54.960 --> 00:46:01.199
or is worn off. It's elderly, it's it's vicious protecting its area.

522
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:13.800
We know, a trenivorous. It
could just there are something think about.

523
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:19.440
Think about chimpanzees. Chimpanzee will eat
one another. Oh yeah, they will

524
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:22.480
attack one another, They will hunt
each other down. Now think about that

525
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.280
if you're in a place where there
aren't any other chimpanzees, but you still

526
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:32.000
have the sense of territory and the
same desires to eat an attack. It's

527
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:37.119
not an aroma question. And look, they didn't have the weaponry we we

528
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:42.519
have the day to mow these things
down. The definitely a lot more vulnerable

529
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:45.400
to the attack of these things than
we are. Not that the people who

530
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:49.280
are you know, getting attacked by
chimpanzees regularly, you know, they usually

531
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:52.719
call him the police who ice this
animal? But uh, you know,

532
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:58.000
in this instance kind of the same
thing, like woefully underprepared to be attacked

533
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:02.159
by an ape of this caliber.
Yeah, well, even at four feet

534
00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:08.280
tall, I would still be terrified. Tall with you know, a good

535
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:14.079
size for camp and chimps are what
twice the strength of humans, and if

536
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:16.719
it caught, You're right, you'd
be down before you noticed it. Sure,

537
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:21.559
I mean, just things to think
about when we talk about the skunk

538
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:23.679
ape and the swamp apes. And
you now have stories from Florida, you

539
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:27.840
have stories in Alabama. I'm sure
if we went and pursued more. Well,

540
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:32.880
let's even look at the Boggy Creek
creature. You know, the shaggy

541
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:37.519
hair covered, you know, you
know, all descriptions of it. It's

542
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:45.400
not a it's a lot different and
look than the Pacific Northwest bigfoot, right

543
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:52.400
right, which could you know,
without allowing for some scaling up the sense

544
00:47:52.480 --> 00:48:00.119
of human estimation and storytelling, could
the Boggy Creek Monster also have been maybe

545
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:07.239
a little bit smaller in stature,
possibly right? Well, generally descriptions of

546
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:13.039
the of the Crepe Monster are there
at least seven foot tall, so not

547
00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:20.199
as tall as perhaps you're North American
sass, you're sitting Northwest Sasquatch. Yeah,

548
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:22.920
what I'm saying is henry though that's
not allowing for over embellishment either.

549
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:29.679
Yeah, I got a five foot
tall thing. I'm adding two feet yeah,

550
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:35.639
sure, you're as yeah, easily, you know, And I want

551
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:40.000
to throw something out towards Matt two. Um. You know, geographically difference

552
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:46.280
between the Southern States, you know, meaning Louisiana, Florida, Uh,

553
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:52.039
you know, the Mississippi area,
and as you move north you get into

554
00:48:52.599 --> 00:49:00.960
areas through Kentucky that do have caverns
and caves. Where is the Southern States

555
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:05.480
not so much. It's it's lower
to sea level. I'm wondering if that

556
00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:08.519
has any kind of geographical difference to
the size of an animal that may live

557
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:15.039
there, because you know, we
have so many reports and theories out there

558
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:21.400
that the apes or Bigfoot that's in
the Pacific Northwest store through upper northern central

559
00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:29.440
United States may dwell in caves,
whereas down south that's not available. Maybe

560
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:34.199
that's a difference in stature in their
size, and we'll get your take on

561
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:37.559
that. Yeah. The one thing
is is that we're also talking about different

562
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:45.519
geological strata. Whereas in the Pacific
Northwest, even in the Apple each is,

563
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:52.000
you know, we have a different
geological structure down in the Florida area,

564
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:54.320
in the Gulf Coast region, we
do have a lot of limestone which

565
00:49:54.360 --> 00:50:02.519
will provide caves or caverns. However, especially as you move further south again

566
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:07.760
you're under like you had brought up, they're under sea level. So now

567
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:13.800
you have these big pits, you
know, where you have these underground caverns,

568
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:20.559
and that's always a possibility that if
they don't have that much space and

569
00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:27.719
they you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, you grow to

570
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:30.320
the size of air environment. Yeah, that makes sense, right, right,

571
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:34.400
that makes sense. I was just
curious to get your feedback on that,

572
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:39.880
because, yeah, you look at
cave systems on a cave system's map

573
00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:45.400
of the United States, there ain't
nothing down south that way. Yeah,

574
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:49.119
but as you know, as you
progress further north, even up into Canada

575
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.920
and to the you know, Western
United States, yes, there's there's massive

576
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:59.760
cave systems and in places you would
not expect. And that's the thing too,

577
00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:01.719
you know, it's just like,
wow, there's a case system underneath

578
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:09.440
my feet. I had no idea
that was here. None. We found

579
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:14.599
that. We found that interesting when
we were doing episodes on the Missing when

580
00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:22.159
we pulled up the cave system map
in perspective in comparison to missing people that

581
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:27.320
that was pretty uh you know,
interesting information to have its compiling the big

582
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:31.119
Foot Mapping project for anybody who cares
to, uh, you know, pay

583
00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:37.840
attention to all things bigfoot. Bigfootmap
dot com. You can go in there

584
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:40.360
and explore. My god, man, does that really have the settings?

585
00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:44.320
Matt. This is what we were
trying to do with the Keystone Bigfoot project

586
00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:49.639
back in the early days. Somebody
you know, who knew what the hell

587
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:54.519
they were doing, did a much
better job and compiling the data. And

588
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:58.239
actually I should get a hold of
them and see if they have some stuff

589
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:02.199
from Pennsylvania that they might not have. Add you know that they may not

590
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:09.159
have from my collection anyhow, all
stuff that they need to go and uh,

591
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:15.719
just go and take a look at
it bigfootmac dot com. I mean,

592
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.719
I'm just kind of lost my train
of thought there because I'm just zooming

593
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:22.320
in it. My god, guys, the information you're gonna find incredible.

594
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:27.039
And the one thing is too is
that we get and this is something I

595
00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:32.199
brought up before two is a lot
of times reports aren't made to the BFR,

596
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:38.119
or they're not made to their local
uh groups. It might be somebody

597
00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:45.039
just uh saying something on Facebook and
some of these Facebook groups that are associated

598
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:50.760
in in the golf region, uh, particularly Florida. Um, you may

599
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:53.840
get you know, some of these
experiences coming out that that may get lost

600
00:52:54.400 --> 00:53:00.000
you know eventually, uh, you
know, before it reaches uh the big

601
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:04.480
Foot Mapping project, because it's somebody
saying, hey, I was I was

602
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:08.519
out in the in the in the
ever Glades. We were hunting boas and

603
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:13.440
we had something, you know come
up behind us, red eyes, you

604
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:19.039
know, given the whole description.
But if they're not making that actual statement

605
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:22.800
too to somebody that could afford it
to the big Foot Mapping Project, again,

606
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:28.760
it gets lost. And how many
sightings are they're out there like that

607
00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:35.840
that we may not be aware of
or the wild hog people hmm, absolutely

608
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:39.840
right. One thing I think we
forget is for us, it's four hours

609
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:45.440
out into the woods to find a
spot that they are dwelling. To them,

610
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:50.400
it's like you just open your front
door and there's a neighbor standing under

611
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:53.360
porch. So like a lot of
times we have these sightings or we have

612
00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:57.360
these areas where they're like, oh
it took me two days to get into

613
00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:00.039
the bush and dada done. I
found this random out I know, alligator.

614
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:04.239
That's fine. There might be a
hundred of them. Problem is that

615
00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:07.000
it took you two days to get
to him, and the other hundred may

616
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:12.960
still be around, but they're not
gonna come out if they start noticing a

617
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:15.840
bunch of people just showing up in
their yard, where they'll start spread.

618
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:21.920
Now, another thing we have to
start, you know, really looking into

619
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:28.840
is home security has gotten more affordable
and simpler for everybody, and exterior cameras

620
00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:32.760
are now smart cameras are all over
the place. I think I don't know

621
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:36.519
if you can go into a neighborhood
anymore, not one person have a camera

622
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:39.199
somewhere place that you could see.
Matt. You know this with Oh yeah,

623
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:45.280
absolutely in law enforcement and sometimes it's
made things a lot easier to get

624
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:49.119
information that you need. I think
it's only a matter of time before we

625
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:53.039
start getting some really interesting, compelling
stuff from those footage. In fact,

626
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:57.280
I've been told by a few people
they've seen some pretty interesting things. Just

627
00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:00.039
reality is not everybody wants to put
that stuff out there in the Internet,

628
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:06.000
and everybody wants to put that stuff
out there, and I haven't seen anything

629
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:10.519
that has really been you know,
compelling, But that doesn't mean somebody out

630
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:16.800
there doesn't have something, or someone
doesn't have something they're holding onto or they've

631
00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:21.079
missed it. Yeah, I have
to tell you, not that people should

632
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:23.960
come rob me or anything, but
nine times out of ten, you know,

633
00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:30.400
I know what the the alerts and
videos are around my property At what

634
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:32.800
time? If I get at two
twenty three in the morning, my camera

635
00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:37.599
goes off, I know because of
other nights at two twenty three in the

636
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:42.239
morning, it's probably a cat that's
you know, walking around set my cameras.

637
00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:44.960
You know, I'm sure a lot
of people get into that mindset and

638
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:47.480
they just start swiping through without really
paying attention. They look at the thumbnail,

639
00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:50.840
nothing looks out of the way,
and they just get rid of the

640
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:55.119
photo or get rid of the video. You know, I you know,

641
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:59.280
got to challenge myself on that little
more, and especially those folks that live

642
00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:01.400
in more rules and we do,
maybe start challenging that a lot more.

643
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:07.440
Let's start paying attention to those things
and you happen to see it. You

644
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:12.000
know, you can always apported us
report your sitting or encounter and info at

645
00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:15.440
sasquatch experience dot com. I wouldn't
do a little shameless plug there as well

646
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:20.039
as our social media for two dollars
a month. What the guys wait,

647
00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:23.679
right now, you can join our
patreon. That's it. We got some

648
00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:28.880
great stuff going. I'm working on
the fork for files right now. We're

649
00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:31.920
going through my case studies and I'm
going to break them down and put information

650
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:37.280
out there to folks that, you
know, just haven't been able to get

651
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:39.119
that information before because I've never put
it out there and since I was the

652
00:56:39.159 --> 00:56:44.880
investigator. Without me, you don't
have it. So so for those folks

653
00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:47.360
that are interested in that, that'll
be out there. You know, for

654
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:52.480
almost fifty minutes, we've talked about
skunk apes and we haven't even gotten into

655
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:57.559
the meat of potatoes. So I
think this is definitely worth another revisit here.

656
00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:01.199
Soon we'll have the swamp apes Part
two. We'll start getting into some

657
00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:07.440
more modern reports. You know,
we I think everybody knows the historical reports.

658
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:10.320
Your homework, guys for the next
show is to go through some databases

659
00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:15.800
and pool some of the reports that
give you the heeb gbs, really give

660
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:20.719
you the make the hair on your
next stand up. We'll talk about those

661
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:23.960
in the next program and or the
next show we do this, and then

662
00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:28.360
also some of the recent reports.
And by the way, I've just sat

663
00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:32.519
here for the last week and watch
just about every documentary you can on swamp

664
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:37.320
apes, skunk apes, small town
monsters, you know, Beyond the Trail,

665
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:45.719
the Outcast pair and normal Team Stacy
Brown and Ryan RPG. They've got

666
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:50.719
their documentaries out there. There's a
lot going on. Less Strout has got

667
00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:52.960
an episode. Check them out.
Go to YouTube, you know, google

668
00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:58.880
your skunk ape and just start following
the clicks. Guys, get lost and

669
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:04.679
get yourselves immersed in. You know. Yeah, it's popular, but I

670
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:14.440
don't think enough people talk about it
to bring the data and the real really

671
00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:16.960
good sightings to the forefront. Because
everything I've seen have been okay, but

672
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:22.280
there's just done nothing that has,
I don't know, really cranked me up.

673
00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:23.280
That says, man, we got
to get in a van and go

674
00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:29.760
to Florida, mainly because there's big, big ass snakes and gaiters there and

675
00:58:29.800 --> 00:58:35.320
I don't want to die people got
in the van mound up in Florida.

676
00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:43.079
Fair enough, fair enough? Any
final thoughts, gentlemen the night. Yeah,

677
00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:45.719
my final thought is, uh,
I think anything is possible. That's

678
00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:52.519
going on with the skunk gape,
I really do. It could be it

679
00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:58.119
doesn't have to be one thing,
that's my thought. It doesn't have to

680
00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:01.280
be one creature that's identify five as
a skunk cape. It could be what

681
00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:07.960
we talked about, chimpanzee, arranged
tang and this undiscovered creature. It could

682
00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:13.079
be, you know, a variety
of different things that are seeing. I

683
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:15.920
just don't want to limit it to
Oh, it's one thing, and that's

684
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:22.159
it. Fair enough, Bake.
Um, just when you're out there,

685
00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:27.800
enjoy the moment and keep going out
there, sooner or later you'll see something

686
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:34.519
that sparked your interest and go from
there. Matt, go ahead. I'm

687
00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:39.000
gonna reiterate back what I said before. If you had an experience or especially

688
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:43.960
in the Florida in the Gulf Coast
area, please send us an email,

689
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:50.440
UM, send a private message to
to Sean or or any of us,

690
00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:55.119
and uh, you know, we'll
do our best to keep it confidential and

691
00:59:55.119 --> 01:00:02.360
and uh we'd love to hear from
you. Henry. Just don't give up.

692
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:06.519
That's all I have to say.
Just don't give up. I mean,

693
01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:09.559
if if you're on the trail of
something, if you got a lead

694
01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:16.079
on something, pursue it. Henry's
telling me to keep your ass in gear

695
01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:20.760
and go after these beasties once you
see him in a safe manner. I

696
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:25.119
think that's great. I think all
you gentlemen bring up good points tonight Again,

697
01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:29.199
Vance, I like what you said. Why does it have to be

698
01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:34.760
one thing? It doesn't I in
the touch on what Matt said. I

699
01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:37.760
know sometimes we take a kind of
a hard nose, more skeptical approach to

700
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:42.360
things, but that's just to air
on the side of caution. You report

701
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:46.360
to us. We take every witness
statement in every story seriously, and you

702
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:52.639
have our utmost respect and thoughtfulness when
we are investigating your claims. Absolutely,

703
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:54.880
it's I don't want you to think
that, you know because we take a

704
01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:59.119
hard line. We take that hard
line with our witnesses. It's an actual

705
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:02.719
vilege for us to be able to
investigate them, so don't be bashful about

706
01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:06.639
sharing them with us. If we
can't get to it, we'll get you

707
01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:09.960
in touch with somebody we trust in
that area to investigate it, you know,

708
01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:16.239
for us, and report back,
and we do if you do choose,

709
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:22.400
absolutely, we do keep you confidential
the best we can. You know,

710
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:28.360
we don't really dive into specifics unless
we have to, so anonymity is

711
01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:30.400
always a thing. Guys, it's
been a good show. That hour goes

712
01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:34.719
by so quick. I think we
need to budget more time on some of

713
01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.480
these topics, but I guess we've
announced. We'll hit the topic one more

714
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:44.440
time with the swamp swamp apes too, even more stinky coming up the next

715
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:47.760
show, and then we'll start moving
on to some other things. Yeah,

716
01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:52.280
we got a lot in the pipe, we really do so, folks,

717
01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:55.519
thanks for listening. Uh, keep
on squatching and Henry, go ahead and

718
01:01:55.599 --> 01:02:00.000
take us out with those parting words. You'll be it'll be good at it.

719
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:12.800
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720
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:17.039
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