EP 71: "Cryptic Wilderness" Matt Arner

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As always, listener discretion is advised. What are your pot We've got someone

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or something crawling around out here?
Does a legend walk among us working in

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the forests of our world? You
see what it was? Or at a

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person or an animal or I can't
go over knowledge that my center light came

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on and I hippa with a glimm. See this bank running across the yard,

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A good sized man or something.
It worked like a man. I

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don't know what it was. For
over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists,

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researchers, investigators, and witnesses trying
to gain instant truth around the exist

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instance of this mysterious entity. Hello, put somebody out here, put on

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down there. I thought of abctions
about all right, I don't know easy

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amount there that I'm working right out? Okay, it's right to get in

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your yard there right? God you
begar? Okay, what do you do

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in your yard? Whatever? Bring
you join us as we continue into the

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investigation of the Sasquatch Experience and good
Avia. Everyone. Welcome to the Sasquatch

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Experience. It says so right here
on my shirt. I'm Sean the Fort

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Chop Forker. That's vans Nesbit below. Vans nesbitt is Henry May and Matt

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Arner our special guest tonight, Matt
no stranger to you, mister Cryptic Wilderness

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himself James Baker inspicuously absent. Maybe
he'll be jumping on at some point,

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but alas we must soldier on.
Guys, how are we doing? I'm

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we're doing good. That sounded like
it need a little condition. You were

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doing good, Henry, Henry,
how are you, Bud? I'm good,

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very nice. And Matt. Of
course, it wouldn't be a show

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without our special guest. How are
you, man? I know we were

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talking. Thank you, thank you. I'm doing great. I'm really happy

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to be happy to be on tonight. We're happy to have you and always

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good to have our brother Matt Honor
back on the program. A guy's it's

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been a crazy day. I just
got done recording with Matt Knapp over at

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Bigfoot Cross Road, so we're gonna
have a little bit of a collab going

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on there. He'll be coming on
the show here in a few weeks to

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do sasquatch experience with us as we
kind of connect with people. Guys.

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That must have been over a decade
since I've talked sat down and talked with

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Matt and we kind of reminisced about
the early days of the blog, talk

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radio, the research field, how
it's different today, how it's been in

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the path. People may not understand, but it's a different world now.

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This is not the same community as
it was in the late nineties, early

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two thousands, And it was just
great to kind of reminisce with him a

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little bit, talk some squats,
share some stories, and then I jumped

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right over here to us. So
it's been a loaded day. Was out

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working the land with Baker this morning. Hopefully he's asleep and nothing more a

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sinister has happened there. But why
am I laughing? I don't know,

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but laugh when you think of Baker
and something happening, like right, you

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don't want something to happen, but
you know it's probably maham so and and

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that. Between the last shows,
it's just been busy. We did get

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a sighting report in this morning.
I talked to Matt about it at like

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six o'clock. I got really excited
about it. So more news on that

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as Matt and I investigate strange things
happening here in the East Coast with Bigfoot.

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Sweet how about you, guys?
What's been up while you threw that

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right at my face there like a
cream pie. No, there's a couple

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of things I'll mention during the news
segment at the bottom of the hour that

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came up as Sasquatch reports, which
I found kind of interesting. But other

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than that, it's kind of a
within close proximity. And you know,

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there's a lot of past events that
have happened as far as princes going and

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future events with conferences that are going
with some great people, and we'll talk

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about that too. Yeah, most
definitely. You know, Henry, how

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about you? I know you were
talking to me before we started the show.

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What's Henry reading? What have you
been up to on the book front?

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Henry at least contemplating give him a
moment. I think he's frozen there

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he is. What have you read
that I read? I haven't seen Sanderson's

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re read. Actually, I haven't
seen Sanderson's book. Bobstow Man Legend Come

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to life. I hadn't read it
for like fifteen years, so I want

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to get cover of a fresher chorse
on it. Yeah, we talked about

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it, and you know, I
asked Henry if there was any uh,

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you know, particular reason why he
read that book. He said, no,

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just catching up. But I think
you know, Henry's candra on that's

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kind of telling we should all be
catching up and figuring out, you know,

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what's going on. Brian Corbyn Evening, Gentleman Evening, Brian our executive

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producer, Brian Corban paying attention and
again in supporting has been here tonight on

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the show. Yeah, we can
all do a little brush up, right.

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Yeah, and Henry, you brought
up a really good point. I

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didn't mean to step on your Sean, but you bring up a really good

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point because not in just this subject
and genre, but there's a lot of

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subjects where I have refreshed from things
in the past and reading and going oh

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now, this really makes sense.
This kind of ties into something that happened

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three weeks ago. This makes a
lot of sense, and then you can

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put pieces together a little bit better
by refreshing yourself from reading things that you

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read from long ago in the past, and it does. It helps to

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button things up and make a little
bit more sense. So yeah, I

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completely understand what you're saying, Henry. Hmm, I was gonna say,

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if you don't mind me interjecting.
My reading list comes from Henry and Danny

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Perez. Whatever I hear from either
of those two. You know, they

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give great reviews. They they really
uh promote the book if it's a good

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book. And uh, you know, I I follow Henry for when the

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new publications come out. He'll always
give, you know, we give his

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thoughts on it. And Danny Perez
is just just amazing too, you know.

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So uh so out of the two
of them, and The Abominable Smoke

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Snowman, that's actually next on my
reading list. So I've been going through

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like a little old school Yeah,
so I did. I'm just finishing up

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what is I just had it here, Uh Raincoast Sasquatch Robert Allen. Yes,

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so I haven't read that in years
either, and so I have that,

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I have The Abdominal Snowman, which
is my next read, and then

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after I'm going to get into some
new stuff. Less Odell just put that

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book out. Um, that's West
Virginia, oriended Son in the Mountain.

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I have a copyright on the desk. Yes, so that's gonna be my

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next read after the Abominal Snowman.
So I'm really looking forward to getting into

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that. Yeah. No, great, uh, you know, great recommendations

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on that, Matt. I was
talking to Matt and happ earlier. Like

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I said, and you know one
of the things that I said, I

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got books piling up at my desk. I've got one, two, three,

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four, five, six, seven, eight nine books here that I

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have to really dive into yet and
and explore. One I'm looking forward to

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is when I got from Red Grossinger
n Agone. I think it's how you

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pronounce it, Tales of the Northern
Sasquatch. Excited about this one. I

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need to need to really check this
out because I'd like to get him on

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the program and talk about that.
I think he's an associate of or has

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in the past work with Tom Steenberg, another gentleman we need to get on

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the show again. It's been a
long time since we had Tom Steenberg on

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our airways. Henry. Yes,
as we start trying to, you know,

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go back into some of the things
that we used to. Really it's

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been difficult, I mean, just
to be absolutely candid with everybody, you

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know, frustrating part about making a
podcast is creating new fresh content. With

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nothing new coming on out there,
we haven't had a real good piece of

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evidence and how long think, Yeah, it's kind of crazy, isn't it.

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Yeah, Like and I don't know, like being in this field for

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so long, Like Matt, I'm
gonna get your absolute opinion on this and

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you can answer to if you want
to, because I don't know, it's

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still a little it seems like it
seems coming back up. I was really

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let down by the whole Melbourne Ketchum
study. I was analysis, and you

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know, you're you're somebody that you
know deals with facts and hard science and

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what you do. You know,
it was just disappointing to me. What

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was your thoughts on that? Well, Um, I know that some people

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had submitted evidence and it was what
they believed to be a phenomenal evidence and

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they either never heard anything back or
I think they were spending the money more

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on what they believed was the best
evidence. But some of these hair some

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of these uh you know, possible
tissue samples. I don't know where they're

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at, you know, and if
they were able to take copies or not

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copies, but if they were to
take up a small sample and have those

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catalogs somewhere, you know, maybe
we might be in a better spot right

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now. But but there's gonna be
samples that are still coming through the way.

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Um, they're still being collected.
But like I said, that study,

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I was just reading something today and
I don't really want to repeat too

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much, but there may have been
an issue with one of the studies that

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were quoted in the in her study
itself. That actually was in April Fool's

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joke. So um, that came
up on one of the Facebook pages today.

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So I'll see if I can I
can find that before the show ends.

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But as for evidence, I you
know, they were promising high quality,

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high definition film and that was never
never brought forth. We got was

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Matilda, you know, which look
like Chebaca. You know, we're sleeping,

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sleeping in the bush. But if
it was to go in front of

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a jury, they're not going to
find that to be incredible. Yeah,

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I get that. And you know
what, Matt, I think, I

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think in some cases, and I
could be completely wrong. But if you

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are the one that's involved in collecting
some of this evidence, yeah, and

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you know in your heart this is
it, this is the evidence. You're

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going to go in at one hundred
percent to say, Nope, this is

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it. And yet you'll do some
science background that in a little bit of

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research and it just doesn't come back
at that one hundred percent. Leaves you

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kind of disappointed. And I think
a lot of the promotional effect of those

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turning the evidence in say no,
this is definitely it because you had the

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personal experience of the discovery and the
process of it, and then when it

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comes back going well, yeah,
there's not really definitive answers here, you're

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kind of left deflated because you went
into it with this one hundred percent attitude

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that you've got the golden idol here
of you know, proving sat squatchery.

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And I think that has a lot
to do with it. And I think

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that, like to Shawn's point about
Melbourne Ketcham's, you know, the entire

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it kind of left you dry at
the end of it. It's like,

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really, you spent this whole time
watching this great crime series on TV and

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then the last episode just left you
with riding off into the sunset and there's

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no conclusion, and it is kind
of disappointing. I get where Shawn's coming

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from too. Yes, although and
again I wasn't prepared for this question,

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but I do remember that there was
a book that was written about the Ketchum

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study that was critical of it.
But at the same point, the scientists

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that had written that book had said
that there was some positives from that study

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that just weren't really seen at that
time. So now now we've had how

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many years passed by, and uh, you know with that, you know,

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sciences kind of progressed and there were
some indicators in that data that that

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could you know, eventually be useful
to us. So I'll give them kudos

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for you know, trying, you
know, for for looking into that.

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And you never know, you know, it could be uh, you know,

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ten fifteen years down the road that
we find that maybe her procedure for

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doing this wasn't it wasn't the right
way, but you know, maybe she

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did get a couple things right,
um, you know, in her initial

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study. So okay, so my
question to the other three in the room

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here, uh, with the research, because I did read the entire I

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would say diagnosis, but it was
the research that she conducted. So much

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of it was not in Layman's terms. I'm reading Latin. I'm trying to

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put pieces together to try to understand
exactly what was and what is not.

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And it was really hard for me, who was not a biological DNA scientist,

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to be able to say, oh, yeah, no, I completely

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understand what is being said here,
because so much of it is in a

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language that I couldn't understand. And
I don't know if that's you know,

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clearly it's a lack of my education
on that aspect, but I'm wondering,

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you know, if the rest of
us kind of took that same thing to

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say, yeah, it was a
big nothing burger. And I'm sorry I

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use that term because it gets pushed
around a lot lately. But I'm wondering

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if there's a lot of information that
was in the report that we might not

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be able to really look at and
understand to go, oh, hey,

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the light came on. Yeah,
this does make a lot of sense.

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Horse Shit is horse shit no matter
what language you're writing in. No,

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I understand that, But did you
understand all the language that was written in

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that report? I don't think it's
necessary to. I really don't. I

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don't think there's any hidden cipher in
there. I think it's going down to

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brass tax and the spirit of the
investigation and exercise, which is it was

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done portally as many different letters as
you want to or many different Latin words.

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At the end of the day,
junk science is junk science. I'm

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not going down that far and saying
that's what it is. But look,

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in science, your credibility is everything. Oh absolutely, I agree. It's

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just a lot of the terminology and
the way the report was done I couldn't

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follow well, and you're really not
intended to because stuff like that's not written

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for us, for other scientists.
And at the end of the day,

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I don't care what language it was
written in. The procedures were poor,

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right, And when you're already writing
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matter what it says because it's garbage. The moment you have is much when

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you have a credibility problem, no
matter what comes out of your mouth or

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whatever, you're right subjective and doesn't
really matter in this instance, like it

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was just poorly done and the only
reason why she got the writer letter in

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Latin because she wrote the journal,
she published the journal herself. Oh no,

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no, I yeah, then I
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you something like all the other Latin
reading scientists didn't give a damn enough to

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either look at it or even publish
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and I understand what you're saying,
Vince, I'm not trying to No,

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no, this is the point of
this conversation. If nobody of credibility

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is going to look at it and
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it's either because they're just that bias
which is unscientific, that they don't hair

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what anybody has to say about sasquatch
or the existence, or it was just

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so poorly done they don't waste their
time, right. I would hate to

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think that scientists out there just scoff
enough and joke enough and think so little

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of the potentiality of sashquatch they wouldn't
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you know. And I think the
credibility issue is what caused the report to

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not be taken seriously. That's just
my opinion. Yeah, And I was

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also wondering what's the end game?
You know, Matt, I would take

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your opinion. What was the end
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What would be in her psyche to
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eventually just comes out to be nothing
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answer that. Yeah, I know, really, I don't know if it

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was something for her, you know, just to basically elevate her from you

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know, her prior profession of being
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DNA expert. But I really couldn't
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think the problem lies right there,
Matt, is that she's not a DNA

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expert. Correct, you know she
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school and has the schooling in the
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there's a difference in the level upon
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a DNA scientist to a veterinarian,
right, correct? And who else looked

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at this? Who else was part
of the study? Why weren't there other

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credible scientists brought in? And I
know Dave Polites was part of it,

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and there's a lot of credibility that's
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advocate for it, but sometimes even
when something goes wrong, you still advocate

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because you yourself don't want to lose
face. Correct. And one another point

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law enforcement side, one of the rules

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of evidence is chain of custody.
We know that this item, you know,

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say DNA, uh you know,
item number one came from this particular

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person, this particular scene. We
know who handled it basically from the collection

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up to the point that it's being
that's being tested. And then once it's

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tested, we still have that evidence
because we may have to go to court

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and they may say, okay,
well you have the test results. I

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want to see the I want to
see the blood patter, you know,

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patterner, I want to see the
actual knife that was used. I want

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to see the hair. So you
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a court case. So that again, I had heard about people that were

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missing evidence, that that submitted evidence
and never heard anything back, and unfortunately

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it would just be that one particular
piece because they had so much belief and

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uh, you know that this was
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final uh you know, outcome for
DNA evidence, and unfortunately it just it

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didn't happen that way. And again, if we went with another DNA expert,

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somebody like a Todd Dissteller or someone
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take a look at it, you
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someone that that has worked in the
in the DNA, uh decide, He's

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very well versed in that, and
he knows how to run a lab.

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So he doesn't always give us the
best answers. But hey, he's honest,

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you know in that point. So, and that's the point, right,

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do you want the truth or do
you want an answer that makes you

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happy? Correct? And sometimes they
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not always going to fall into the
same bucket. And you know, for

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what it's worth, it was a
study that was done, it was completed.

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Now we know we've learned from this
of how to go to the next

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step, how to go to the
next level. Now that's very true,

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folks. It starts with you.
If you're listening to this and you're a

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researcher, you know, the onus
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to collect better evidence and the keep
chain of custody. We fall short on

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that it doesn't matter if it gets
to the next level because we can't answer

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those questions that are going to need
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slippery soo starts. And if we
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collection, how's a doctor in a
lab going to do it when they're trying

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to make a case us very true? No, very true. And Sean,

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this goes back to you know,
this is not a slam topic.

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It's it's not a slam topic.
But this goes to Matt money Make who

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wrote a report, you know,
about a Pennsylvania sighting and deer and in

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his report he clearly states, well, dear is the primary protein source of

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a sasquatch. Well, how the
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how do you know that? You
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that to say, no, that's
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Yeah, I understand there's a notoriety
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to be the first one on the
scene, but you don't know that it's

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not a plant base, you don't
know it's not fish. You just don't

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know if the thing is real or
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garage to understand what it's primary protein
source is, So stop putting out these

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publications like that. Then drive me
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You have to remember who he's writing
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He's not writing for He's writing for
people that are cemented and believe, like

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in that moneymaker's mind Vans, he's
solved this, He's proven that Sasquatching understand

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that, and his people believe his
people people in general. It is no,

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I get that believe that. So
he's writing in the in the supposition

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that the people reading this are people
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the cause that they're working for,
that this is a legitimately, this is

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legit animal. What I would have
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common source or primary source. We
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carcasses, we've found missing organs from
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carrying deer. That's a logical way
to make that argument. Hero however,

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still vance at the end of the
day. We go back to what you

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just put in front of us.
You don't have one in the garage.

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How do you know what it eats, right, right, So you have

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remember when he's writing, he's not
writing for the people like us. He's

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putting it out there for people that
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And you know, there's a term
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false prophet. And I you know, I look, I appreciate the BFRRO

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taking reports. I do. I
appreciate the fact that there's at least a

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reporting site, whether it's BS or
not, at least there's a chronological reporting

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site that people can go to and
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That's cool. I appreciate that.
But to turn around, and like

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you said, I completely agree with
you, he's preaching to his own choir

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to state, no, this is
how it is. And then yes,

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they're real and this is what their
hair is and this is what they do.

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And it's like, come on,
you don't even know the dietary consumption.

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How many reports have we heard were
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not the meat of a deer.
None of this makes sense. But to

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say, oh, well a deer
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really, well, what's the deer
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seen up there not a whole lot. So why are you saying something like

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that drives me crazy? Well,
and again that's regional if that's the area

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he chose as the you know the
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thing that I'll add to your point. Though a great database, it is

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when you start putting out claims like
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not be positive on the validity of
the database. And what I mean by

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that is, are these reports really
properly vetted from a place of objectivity or

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are they now done from the lens
of somebody who's a diehard believer. And

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as I talked about earlier tonight with
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is key. You have to go
in without any bias. No matter what

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my personal experience is, if I've
had sightings you know which I know,

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I've had encounters, I have to
take my own experiences and remove that.

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So when I'm dealing with witness A, now this witness in front of me,

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I'm looking at it with a blank
canvas and a fresh perspective and a

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clean lens. Now, after I
take their story would I rely on some

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of my experience to check the validity. Yes, of course doesn't make it

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any more legitimate. It just adds
another perspective to it. And at the

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end of the day, these thousands
of sighting reports are a great collection,

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but until we have something of concrete
proof, it's always going to be looked

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at with some sort of skeptical lens. And honestly, when you write things

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like that, it makes it harder
for people to take that seriously opinion.

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I agreed. Well, guys,
guess what it's time for the news and

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when we come back, we're gonna
talk to Matt about some of the things

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he's been up to stick around much
experience, Sean Forker vans and has been

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Henry May and Matt Arner. All
right, that was a barn burner,

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and we'll be right back after the
big football just a simbo. Uh.

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Yes, another fine edition and of
the big Foot bullhorn. Uh. Let's

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get started by doing something mine even
done in a while, which is a

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couple of big foot reports from the
area. You all excited, huh,

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y'all clinched and excited. Uh.
This first location is h but a baseball's

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throw from where I'm at Now.
Many of you think, Oh, Vans

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lives in Chicago. Well I really
don't. It's kind of Chicago general.

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But I'm thirty miles west of Chicago
in the Fox River Valley region. But

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this bigfoot sighting took place in will
County. Like I said, I could

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throw baseballs into will County to this
area where the sighting was observed in January

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of this year. What is stated
is grandkids spotted. Aren't we all grandkids?

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Grandkids spotted what they saw as a
bigfoot in a ditch along a tree

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line in rural Custer Park, Illinois, on January twenty first, it stood

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watching them. When they looked away, it moved a little ways and stopped

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when they looked back at it.
They got pictures of it, which I

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cannot find any of the pictures,
and they found footprints. What are the

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pictures? Looks like a bear and
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We have wolves other predatory animals,
but now no black bears in this area.

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Also noted it states her husband and
grandson. But that's kind of weird.

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Just say man and his grandson have
heard howls and knox at night made

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the hair on the back of the
man's neck rise. Two grandkids aged ten

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and twelve, were walking in the
field and yes, about four or five

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years ago the grandkids saw a bigfoot
in a similar area and it scared them

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pretty bad, and they heard of
a sighting in Essex a few years back,

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page two. First off this whoever
wrote this encounter article probably did not

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graduate junior high English class and certainly
never attended any kind of journalism school.

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But out of the state of Michigan, in Monominee County, there were coyote

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hunters that had an encounter at about
nine thirty at night. Is quoted as

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saying we were kyote hunting and when
we first sat down, my buddy says,

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did you hear that? I said, hear what? And then he

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said it sounded like a wood knock. I didn't think much of it,

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and we went on to call for
coyotes for about thirty minutes. After that

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time, I stood up to scan
the field's edge and when I scan,

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I see two huge glowing eyes like
yellowish bright color. I've never seen that

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before, and it was high enough
off the ground, and my first thought

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was the landowner put a reflective sign
on a tree, so I scoped in

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on it and realized whatever it was
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Buddy started to scope on it too. Then it proceeded to crouch down

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low to the ground and look around
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then it disappeared for about ten seconds
and then popped up about ten yards to

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the right of where we first saw
it, and it was looking around a

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tree again. And when we scoped
on it, it was clear as day.

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As we witnessed it, it crouched
down to the ground like a person,

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and then it vanished. I've been
in the woods all my life and

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seeing all sorts of eyeshine, and
what we saw that night was unexplainable.

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Thanks to the BFRO for that well
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Cliff Berrickman. Our guest speakers is
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have a heads up with the fact
that Doug Hichack, who is going to

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be there, and Thomas Seawood is
going to be there along with a handful

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of others. We will have vendor
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go to the Olympic Peninsula dot org
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information and for all our friends out
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not aware of the fact, Washington
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on June tenth. You want to
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Thanks again for listening to this edition
of The big Foot Bullhorn, and

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in the meantime, keep your toes
in the mud. M hmm. I

415
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could see Sean talking, but I
can't hear anything. Yeah. Likewise,

416
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Sean, I can't hear you about
that. Is that better? That's a

417
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little better. Yes, there we
go. Welcome back everybody. I'm Sean

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Forker who had the mute button head
had that, you know, the big

419
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Foot Bullhorn from the big Foot Blowhard
himself fans Nesbit. Thanks, thanks,

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Matt. What have you been up
to research wise? We brought you on

421
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the show to talk about you now
that we've gotten rid of DNA. Yeah,

422
00:36:54.960 --> 00:37:00.159
yeah, absolutely, I'm doing some
fun stuff. So I have the

423
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:07.199
research area that I'm basically working on
right now. It's in north central Pennsylvania.

424
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UM. I have a camper now
that's uh on a on a permanent

425
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:20.920
lot there, so I can I
can go there anytime I want, and

426
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:24.760
I've been going up and there's a
couple different specific areas I've been looking at.

427
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:31.440
UM there's some BFR reports that I've
seen that are close to that area.

428
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M I'm also looking at different Facebook
groups, whether it's a bigfoot group

429
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or a hiking group, hunting group. UM. Sometimes there's some information that

430
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comes out from there as well as
speaking to local people up in the area

431
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:52.119
that will you know, open up
and maybe say they saw something. So

432
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:58.039
I've been in this research area.
The only problem that I see with it

433
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:06.199
is it's tough to do it alone. Yeah, I was up and one

434
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thing I really emphasized when I try
to talk to people about the outdoors and

435
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:15.880
about being you know, doing bigfoot
research especially is being safe. So I

436
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:20.840
always have a game plan. I
always try to make sure I have everything

437
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:24.039
I need and everything. However,
the safety is not the issue when when

438
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I'm going out and doing this.
The one particular spot where I was,

439
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:39.280
it's fifteen miles from where I was
to the Highway. So there is a

440
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road that the paved road that comes
up through that area, but it's no

441
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:50.440
one drives on. It's very desolate. So from where I was, it's

442
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:58.079
fifteen miles to the town of Benezette, and about another ten to twelve miles

443
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:05.320
to Carthouse and maybe uh twelve miles
to the little village of Cinemahoney, there's

444
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:08.519
nothing there. Yeah, So I
was up there two weeks ago, and

445
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:13.760
normally I try to be pretty passive, but in this area it's kind of

446
00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:17.719
hard to you. You're really gonna
try to, you know, do some

447
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:22.800
call blasting and you know, just
see if you get anything. So I

448
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:28.239
was up there and I got a
vocalization returned from a call that I did.

449
00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:35.800
The problem being by yourself. This
was so far away and I probably

450
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put it, and I'm a pretty
good gauge of distance. It was over

451
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:45.920
a mile and a half, maybe
two miles away, but and I knew

452
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:51.400
it was to the west. But
the one thing is is the road was

453
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it's hard enough to drive during the
day, you know, and at night

454
00:39:55.639 --> 00:40:02.079
it's it's really not a lot of
fun. So with that being said,

455
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if I had a second person or
I had a small group that we could

456
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actually do almost like a triangulation where
you have you know, somebody doing call

457
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:16.599
blasting here, you have another person
you know out to the east, another

458
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:20.480
person out to the west, or
another group you know. That way,

459
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if you do get a call returned, you can kind of you know,

460
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regroup and and try to uh,
you know, get closer to where that

461
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:34.760
call was coming from. So it
was pretty interesting. UM. I did

462
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:38.360
also get which I thought was really
weird, was I was getting um deep

463
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:44.119
barking or return on one of my
calls, so almost like a domestic dog.

464
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:51.519
But there's no domestic dogs up there, and coyotes generally have that higher

465
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:58.920
pitch bark. The eastern coyote is
a little different than the western coyote,

466
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:02.760
but it still does have higher Pitchmarkum, it could have been an alpha male

467
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:07.039
coyote, but you know, we
were thinking, you know, it could

468
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.159
have been you know, somebody dumped
a dog out there, or it could

469
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:13.679
have been you know, something else. Um. But it was just strange

470
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:17.360
that I was getting these uh these
returns and that was actually from a lot

471
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closer that was probably within within a
mile from where where I was thinking my

472
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:30.559
calls. So, um, the
one thing is and again I talked about

473
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emphasized safety. I did not follow
my rules on two different occasions, and

474
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I one I definitely paid the price
for so what I generally do, especially

475
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:46.119
in the springtime, Uh, ticks
are everywhere, So I always treat my

476
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:52.159
clothing with permethrin. Uh. I'll
give a plug to Floyers. They make

477
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:57.400
the best. So I had it
was actually warm that weekend, so I

478
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:01.519
went to got a pair of you
know, like hiking shorts. Camping shorts

479
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:07.239
were them. I didn't treat them. And when I came back on Sunday,

480
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:12.480
I had a tick that was right
above my kneecap, right where the

481
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hemline was for the shorts. And
I'm like, oh my god. So

482
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:22.800
that was kind of a pain in
the neck. Yeah. Yeah. And

483
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then the other thing too, is
it We'll go kind of go back to

484
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Matt Moneymaker. In this particular spot
that I do call blasting from, it's

485
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:37.719
a it's a beautiful spot. There's
a field and it's almost like a tundra

486
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:43.079
that you rarely see in the in
the lower forty eight I think West Virginia

487
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:47.119
has it in Dolly Sides, but
we have small areas of tundra up in

488
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:55.119
the Aquehana Plateau. This stretches at
least a mile in length. Um Right

489
00:42:55.280 --> 00:43:00.239
next to where this little piece of
tundra is, there's also power lines.

490
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So I was doing my call blasting
right where the power lines are. Well,

491
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.960
I'm sitting there and I hear crackle, crackle, crackle, and I

492
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:13.679
look up. I'm like, oh
my god, I'm right underneath the power

493
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:16.039
lines, you know. And the
one thing I think of is, if

494
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:21.880
you ever seen that that picture on
Facebook, which I've seen this actually happened

495
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:25.960
before, is those power lines sometimes
go down in winds or they just fail

496
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:34.039
and whatever's underneath them is boom,
It gets gets completely fried. So were

497
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:37.159
you with us out at the farm
in Katawissa. I don't think so.

498
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:44.760
No. Less and Ray Okay and
Dustin. We're up on the up on

499
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:49.159
the mountain under the power lines and
it was incredibly cold, yes, and

500
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:53.280
you could hear the snap crackle and
top of the electrical and it was scary

501
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:58.440
as hell. Oh it is You're
you're thinking, oh, I'm gonna get

502
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:01.239
I'm gonna get zapped here in a
minute. It was scary, But I

503
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:08.000
absolutely talking about it's an experience in
itself. Absolutely, So that's kind of

504
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:12.000
my My next thing is, uh, you know, trying not to do

505
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:15.280
call blasting from underneath the power line
or anywhere you're the power line for all

506
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:21.039
that matter. But it was actually
a pretty good spot. But as summer

507
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:23.039
progresses, Um, not only do
I have to worry about ticks, but

508
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:28.639
there's rattlesnakes up. There's like,
that's one of the highest concentrations of ratles

509
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:31.400
snakes in Pennsylvania, so we got
to watch out for them. Um,

510
00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:36.760
you know, wildlife. Hey,
you know what, I've had my run

511
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:43.000
ins with bears, coyotes. You
know, they really don't want to be

512
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.960
bothered by it, or if they
do, it's because you have food and

513
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:52.679
you shouldn't be you know, uh
bringing out your you know, double packet

514
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.440
of reass you know, like I
sometimes do, but because will smell that.

515
00:44:55.960 --> 00:45:00.519
Yeah. So uh but anyways,
UM, I have been you know,

516
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:07.000
primarily work in this area, UM, keeping tabs of where I am

517
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:13.480
getting these calls from, UM,
putting up game cameras, I'm putting up

518
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:20.760
overnight recorders. Uh now I'm I'm
usually checking the recorders. I'm only putting

519
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.880
up them up for the night and
then taking them the next day just in

520
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:30.000
case I get anything. If I
if I put the long duration recorder out

521
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:36.039
there for two three weeks and I
get something on the second day, you

522
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:38.719
know, it's really now. On
the other hand, if I don't have

523
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:43.719
the recorder out there and something that, yeah, but at least now I

524
00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:46.840
can I can definitely have a time
that. Okay, Hey, on on

525
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:52.440
Thursday night, you know, between
eleven eight or eleven PM, and in

526
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:57.480
one am I heard heavy footfalls,
I heard whistling, I heard you know,

527
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:01.199
different vocalizations. And if I can
get a pattern from that, then

528
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:07.519
you know, maybe we might be
able to have a different experience. At

529
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:10.000
that point, what long term recorders
are you using? Who? Who makes

530
00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:15.880
them? The ones you used?
I have the Olympus I I may have

531
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:20.880
it in my bag, so let
me just see which model it is.

532
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:25.960
I'm not quite as up on the
technological end as some of my counterparts,

533
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:32.320
but oh, here we go.
So I have the Olympus DM seven twenty

534
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:39.079
and uh, I have that right
whips right here there it is. And

535
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:45.239
this is a really, really decent
recorder. It was recommended by a researcher

536
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:51.000
from West Virginia who um you know, it does a lot of you know,

537
00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:55.800
audio recordings. Um, and uh
it really has worked out well.

538
00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:01.159
Uh they're a little pricey, but
you know, uh that's another reason why

539
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:04.760
I want to come back every night, you know or in the morning to

540
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:09.159
get this so it doesn't walk away. And uh, but this has been

541
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:16.400
actually a fantastic device to you.
So it goes long term. Um,

542
00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:20.239
you can program it so if I
did want to keep it out there,

543
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:25.039
I can program it to record between
the hours of ten ten pm and three

544
00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:30.480
am or four am. You know
usually when you're you're going to get more

545
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:37.679
vocalization activity. So um, yeah, that's been a big plus for me.

546
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:40.920
Doing the research, I'm looking at
some of these field recorders. They

547
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:46.679
have matt zoom F three two input
field recorder three hundred dollars. Yes,

548
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:53.719
and that's a that's a light one. There's some yes, there's some wowing

549
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:59.800
out a star trek, yeah exactly. And what I found too is just

550
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:05.880
one when I was doing the research
on this is there are specific recorders that

551
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:12.039
people use for bird uh for bird
um watching and you know, listening to

552
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:16.840
to the identity from of the birds
from the songs. And they're quite expensive

553
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:22.119
but but with those I believe they
can they can be times as well,

554
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:28.800
they can be hidden. Um and
uh, they've been very good with uh.

555
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:32.000
You know when they're out there turning
today. Will they work at night?

556
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:37.159
You know, hopefully? Yeah.
I mean honestly, some of the

557
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:40.400
stuff is. We're in a good
area, man. I don't absolutely people

558
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:45.920
don't unless you're from Pennsylvania. I
don't think you appreciate it because you think

559
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:52.920
it's Burger Philadelphia. You don't think
everything in between. And yes, you

560
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:54.719
talk about navigating the roads at nighttime. You and I've been out there where

561
00:48:54.719 --> 00:49:00.280
you need some sort of light to
help you drive because so uh, you

562
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:05.159
know, you could easily get turned
around, get lost in particularly in the

563
00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:07.719
woods. When we had Gabe up
in that area where we were at with

564
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:12.199
Stephen Cary. You know, it
was only eight o'clock and it was black.

565
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:17.400
It was completely dark out there,
and it was treacherous enough navigating those

566
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:23.239
those roads with headlights. I couldn't
imagine, you know, and by myself

567
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:27.360
that would never happen. I don't
do anything myself anymore. You're a brave

568
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:34.239
man. Yeah. Again, I
really want to get you guys out there,

569
00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:38.159
and I'm hoping maybe sometime, you
know, as we get closer to

570
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:42.159
the fall, or even in the
summertime, that that we can get a

571
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:46.639
couple of us up there and and
do some research. It's a ripe area,

572
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:52.119
man, And it's so hard to
get people on the record to talk

573
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:55.719
about sightings in this part of Pennsylvania. So people are conservative, they don't

574
00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:59.280
want to talk about this, and
they're hunters, and they don't want anything

575
00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:00.719
to in a up to the way
of life that they have. Yes,

576
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:05.519
so getting a sighting report is few
and far between. I tinkered with the

577
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:10.679
idea of putting flyers up at the
general stores in the um convenience stations up

578
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:15.079
those ways that I just don't know
if we'd be spending more time weeding through

579
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:19.159
bullcrap or if we'd actually be getting
some legitimate reports, you know. I

580
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:22.960
think with that you'd have to weed
through the bullcrap to get that one golden

581
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:30.199
cord. And I've thought about the
same thing where I know all the general

582
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:34.920
stores up there, because that's the
only place you have, you know,

583
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:39.000
and they have gas which you gotta
pay five bucks agling for, but uh,

584
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:43.599
you know, they have your food, they have you know, a

585
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:46.119
little restaurant or something there. I
know, with the restaurants by the way,

586
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:51.280
you know, all the good places
to go. Yeah. So uh

587
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:55.440
but anyways, with that, that's
not a bad idea, you are you

588
00:50:55.519 --> 00:51:00.360
know, we would all get you
know, the a I saw foot,

589
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:02.360
you know, riding on a mountain
lion, you know, yeah, you're

590
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:07.519
going to get those. But it's
gonna be that one person that that comes

591
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.400
through and says, hey, you
know this is why I saw um.

592
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:15.800
And one of the Facebook groups,
uh it was one of the hunting groups,

593
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:20.719
somebody came out and said that they
had seen something in in my research

594
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:24.159
area. Um, it's on the
eastern side of it. But he actually,

595
00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:27.320
uh you know, of course he
got laughed at. I sent him

596
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.320
a private message. He actually sent
me the coordinates. Wow. Yeah,

597
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:38.519
yeah, on his uh we have
the onyx app and which again by the

598
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:45.199
way, and uh so he was
able to send me the the GPS locations.

599
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:49.719
He had two sidings and he said, hey, this is where the

600
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:52.079
first one was. This was in
two thousand, you know, seventeen,

601
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:55.960
he said. The other one was
twenty and twenty. This is where where

602
00:51:57.000 --> 00:52:00.119
it happened. They wrote that far
from each other, and he said they

603
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:05.639
were two different creatures. That's relatively
recent too, Matt. That's the same

604
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:08.960
for our store. For our sakes, when Ray and I had got stuck

605
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:13.639
up on Pleasant Valley Road out in
the middle of nowhere, in the middle

606
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:17.599
of winter during a blizzard, and
we had to walk miles to civilization,

607
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.679
we were actually thinking about breaking into
a cabin and asking for permission later and

608
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:27.559
paying for any damage because we were
really stuck and it was a tricky situation.

609
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:30.000
We needed a phone. Yeah,
cell phone didn't work out that way,

610
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:35.880
you know that. We made our
way out to a guy that lived.

611
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:37.639
Happened We just happened to see smoke
coming out of the chimney one of

612
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:39.760
these cabins and over knocked the doors, like, what the hell you guys

613
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:43.440
doing out here? Yeah, And
of course, you know, we explained

614
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:45.079
what we were doing out there,
why we were out there, and after

615
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:50.440
a minute of him feeling us out, he shared a story with us about

616
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:54.239
something taking a deer that was hanging
off his back porch. It stole the

617
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:58.159
whole deer, took the cart gone, It just took it out and he

618
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:00.679
could never explain as to what did
it. And every year around the end

619
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:07.360
of summer, he gets like people
know something's there and they get this horrible

620
00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:13.440
smell yep that occurs, and so
I've wanted to get back out that way.

621
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:15.599
My dad ended up coming to rescue
us that night, but it was

622
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:19.599
on old Root Forteam, you know, to tell you, you know,

623
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:23.039
in the general area where that was. But the sightings happen out there.

624
00:53:23.079 --> 00:53:27.679
It's just funny to me that even
with all the popularity big Foot's gotten,

625
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:30.800
people still don't want to talk about
it up there. They don't, yep.

626
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:37.760
And again, I think it's more
a social issue where they were free

627
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:42.280
because if they put something out,
they're going to get laughed at. Article.

628
00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:47.400
Yeah, and so they'll just keep
the signs themselves. And you know,

629
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:52.039
sometimes when they do actually come out
and say something, I'll send if

630
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:55.800
it's on a non big Foot page, you know, if it's a hiking

631
00:53:55.880 --> 00:54:00.360
page, you know, one of
the hunting pages, I'll send them a

632
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:02.360
private message and say, hey,
listen, you know, I believe you

633
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:06.679
can you tell me a little more. And you know, usually when you

634
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:09.119
when you come out like that,
you do get uh, you know,

635
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:14.960
the people to open up and and
tell you about their experience there. Are

636
00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:22.840
so many people that have had experiences
and you know, even like, you

637
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:24.480
know, I'll go back to my
mom and I told you guys from my

638
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:30.599
last uh podcast with you guys,
my mom saw a big foot, you

639
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:32.960
know, when I was when I
was a young kid. She never reported

640
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:36.679
that, you know, it was
just something that you know, she told

641
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:39.320
my dad. They went out in
the car and drove out to the road.

642
00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:43.719
They told me I had to stay
home, which to me, that

643
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:49.280
was probably one of the most traumatic
experiences of my life. But um,

644
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:52.719
but again, you know how many
people have these experiences and just don't tell

645
00:54:52.760 --> 00:55:01.039
anyone. And you know, it
could be you know, not as uh.

646
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:06.239
You know, it could be more
common. You know that there that

647
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:08.880
there is something out in the woods, and you know if people are not

648
00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:15.519
talking about it. We got a
report this morning that you know, we

649
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:20.599
we got to investigate. That's coming
from Delaware. But still, nonetheless,

650
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:25.039
it's amazing how these things sometimes come
in waves too, you know, And

651
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:30.199
it's been a while since we've had
some decent centering reports are starting to get

652
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:31.119
them. I just wish we were
getting more of them from our area.

653
00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:35.639
So folks, if you live your
Central PA area, get a hold of

654
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:39.280
us. We'll investigate it. It's
what we do. Yep, Matt,

655
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:43.400
You're going to be at the Small
Town Monsters fastinat next week. Correct?

656
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:49.199
I am coming ash as a guest
of you guys. Yes, coming is

657
00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:52.119
going to be show. I'm excited. We always have a good time when

658
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:55.760
we get together, Matt. Whether
we're three, you're bullshitting at conferences.

659
00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:00.519
Um, it's what we do.
Vans Henry, you guys have any questions

660
00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:05.519
form Matt. I don't know that
I have any questions. You know,

661
00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:09.760
all these series of thoughts of you
know, your points that you brought up

662
00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:15.719
during this whole conversation. How many
times have we heard that's over and over

663
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:27.400
that you have let's just say two
hundred documented reports. There's probably another five

664
00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:31.159
hundred that are undocumented because people just
don't know what to do with it.

665
00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:37.760
They don't bother to look into an
area to maybe make a report, or

666
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:42.159
they keep it personal to themselves and
they share it with their close family members

667
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:46.199
and that's it. And boy,
if we had all that information on top

668
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:54.360
of what has been reported, we're
talking an absolute plethora of amazing information.

669
00:56:55.119 --> 00:57:04.079
But unfortunately that doesn't happen. So
and I think it's uh. You know.

670
00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:08.320
One thing I was telling Sean too
is I had another police officer he

671
00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:15.719
doesn't work with me, with another
agency completely. The guys were kind of

672
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:17.039
busting me about the bigfoot thing,
and he came up. He was like,

673
00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:22.400
dude, I had an experience.
And we talked at length about this

674
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:30.119
experience that he had with vocalizations,
the odor, you know, and he

675
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:32.760
was like, yeah. It was
like, there's no other way to explain.

676
00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:37.639
He knows coyotes, He's very well
versed in the outdoors. He said

677
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:43.400
this was something that he never had
any sort of dealings with before. It

678
00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:49.960
was in a very remote area of
actually central Pennsylvania. And you know,

679
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:55.760
again, I think as more people
bring it into the mainstream, not just

680
00:57:55.960 --> 00:58:00.719
from the TV shows, but even
from people like us, you know,

681
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:04.599
just talking to friends about it and
stuff, You're going to get more people

682
00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:07.519
coming forward saying, hey, you
know, I think I saw something in

683
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:10.920
the woods, you know, or
hey, I hadn't experienced I couldn't explain,

684
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:15.760
And to me personally, I don't
care if it happened back in the

685
00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:22.079
nineteen sixties, seventies, eighties nine. It doesn't matter because I don't think

686
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:28.039
the behavior of the creature changes much. Yes, no matter what year had

687
00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:31.960
happened in. It's just the sharing
of the story and the environment and the

688
00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:37.960
setting on which that experience happened in
can still go to relevant research today.

689
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:43.880
I really quick, as I know
we're getting close to the time. But

690
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:50.320
I did. There's two PFR ROW
reports from from up in that area,

691
00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:55.920
and they were both on the same
road, and the road isn't a very

692
00:58:57.280 --> 00:59:00.960
you know, big road. One
was from the nine late nineteen seventies and

693
00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:05.840
the other one was from the mid
two you know, like twenty ten.

694
00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:13.920
So is this creature that old or
is this you know, maybe a pocket

695
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:20.119
of you know, there was a
family or something there that we're talking in

696
00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:23.239
a second generation, is right,
and now would be a good time to

697
00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:30.639
research editor because we may get into
the third generation. Yeah, So no,

698
00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:34.840
I don't think that the creature.
Yeah, I don't think that the

699
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:39.039
creature would be that old. It's
just an ongoing population that's in that area

700
00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:43.880
and it just so happened to be
seen in the same area. Which that's

701
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:49.199
what I mean by if you go
back in time, it doesn't matter when

702
00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:53.480
those reports were issued, it's still
very relevant to the research that we do

703
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:59.280
today because the behavior of the creature
isn't going to change. So what if

704
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:04.519
the calendar changes, but the behavior
doesn't change. And that's what I find

705
01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:09.719
really fascinating and very useful for today's
research. Absolutely, food, water,

706
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:15.639
shoulder, right, have it there
in privacy. Right, They're gonna stay

707
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:21.400
there. Very true. Way to
cap off this show. Any final thoughts

708
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:27.440
vans Henry. I don't see Henry, but my final thoughts is, you

709
01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:30.760
know, hats off, hat tipped
to you. Thanks Matt for showing up.

710
01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:36.800
We greatly appreciate it, and I'm
looking forward to giving you a hearty

711
01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:39.599
handshake and a pat on the back
when we do get together. Awesome,

712
01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:44.960
I'm looking forward to it. That's
awesome, folks. Matt Arner our good

713
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:49.679
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714
01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:52.840
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715
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716
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717
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718
01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:09.679
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719
01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:13.960
the other people and they fix their
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being the only Sasquatch Experience in business
vans. Where can folks find you?

721
01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:22.199
Uh, you know, anybody can
just do any kind of search on Van

722
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:25.239
snus Bit and then if something comes
up. You know, Walt van snus

723
01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:30.000
Bit robbed this certain but now that's
not me. Just just go into the

724
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:37.639
sasquatch thing. But you can find
me on Facebook and on Instagram. Henry,

725
01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:42.079
I don't see Henry. Just look
on Facebook, Henry b May the

726
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:45.480
Fourth. There he is Henry b
May the Fourth, and ladies, we're

727
01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:49.320
trying to get him a fifth.
So there it is on Facebook. Henry.

728
01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:53.000
Take us out. Ye'll be good. Be good at it, folks.

729
01:01:53.159 --> 01:01:57.920
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730
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