EP 70: Ron Anonymous

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on what are your pot We got someone

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or something crawling around out here?
Does a legend walk among us working in

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the forests of our world? Do
you see what it was? Well,

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that a person or an animal or
I can't go all that knowledge that my

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thunder light came on and I did
that with a glimp, and see this

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thing running across the yard, a
good sized man or something. It worked

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like a man. I don't know
what it was. For over fifteen years

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we've talked with scientists, researchers,
investigators, and witnesses trying to gain insight

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and truth around the existence of this
mysterious entity. Jesus quo, Carol,

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Hello, get somebody out here.
What's good amount there? I thought of

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a mention about thick fo All right, I don't know easy amount there?

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Yes, I'm working right out.
Okay, hang on, he's right,

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Get in your yard. Turn yeah, I got you big, Okay,

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what are you doing? Your yard. We're gonna bring you join us as

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we continue into the investigation of the
Sasquatch Experience. And good evening, folks,

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Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience for Monday, May Aids, twenty twenty three.

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I'm Sean the Fort Shop Forker.
He's vans Nesbit. That's good old

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JB. James Baker down there,
Matt at the world, Matt at a

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lawnmower, but ready to get ready
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a new feature from James and myself. James and I reacting to the stories

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on Reddit, which we thought would
be an interesting take for all these weirdly

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posted Internet things. I've been reading
through. Some of them have some interesting

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opines, and I just thought,
ma man, this is something we need

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to get Baker's take on. And
on a Monday morning, when he and

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I are out and about doing our
drives, are working on the land,

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what better time to discuss these strange
stories than so we're going to be recording

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those for our patreons, something different
for our supporters. What do you think

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about that, Vans? I think
that's amazing. Well, I'll I've I

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think I might find the time to
listen. Well, you know, we're

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a little two dollars a month,
unchecked and uncensored and after everyone better very

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much so, unchecked and uncensored.
And as we talked about we'll actually we

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wouldn't talk about it. We hinted
out it. I think last week,

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Vans, we were going to be
having this very special show. Are Ron

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Anonymous story? Vans? Why don't
you tell us a little bit about how

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this came to be so we could
just get right on into it. Henry

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may absent tonight, folks. Sorry, don't have him with us, but

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I hope he's doing well. Just
needs a little break apparently. Yeah,

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well quite possibly, and he may
join us in a little while. We'll

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see, Yeah, Ron Anonymous.
Look, the show is entitled Ron Anonymous

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for a reason. Ron is an
individual that I've known personally, and we

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go with Ron Anonymous for the fact
that he has taken over the years an

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understanding of how certain groups in the
Sasquatch community can kind of get a little

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bit belligerent with each other, and
he really didn't want to be involved in

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that aspect, so he didn't want
really anybody to come at him for any

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of his experience. But I find, you know myself, knowing Ron for

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the amount of years that I've known
him, I completely understand that. So

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this is why the show was titled
Ron Anonymous. But I'll give you a

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little bit of a background as to
how it came about this individual, and

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we'll go from there with what his
personal encounter is. Now. Ron originally

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was going to do the show with
myself and possibly Sean and Baker and Henry.

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However, I had recently purchased a
new handheld device, and so far

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I have found eight of my context
did not transfer over to my new device.

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I do not know Ron's personal address, and he has since retired from

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the business in which I've known him
from, so I really didn't have a

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way to get in contact with him
again. However, he did share with

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me three separate times his personal story
that I could share with the Sasquatch experience.

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So I'll back up from the very
beginning and at least reiterate what his

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story is, and then, of
course, if you two have questions,

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and if Henry shows up and ask
questions, or any of our listeners have

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questions, please I will answer to
the best of my ability without any embellishment.

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The company in which I work for
currently for the last twenty five years,

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the cornerstone of the business is building
high density, high impact wooden crates

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for very sensitive machinery that goes from
equipment for nuclear power plants to aviation equipment

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to basic spraining equipment. These are
sensitive pieces of material, and so our

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company builds high impact crates so that
they can take a lot of beating without

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damaging the product. And I have
dealt with company that Ron works for for

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a number of years, at least
twelve years, and I got to know

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Ron, you know, just as
a common acquaintance because he would receive the

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product in which I'm bringing him from
the company that manufactures these crates. And

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you know, he's a very nice
individual and I kind of like to talk

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to him, and he had mentioned
to me shortly after Sean asked me,

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Sean Forker asked me to join the
Sasquatch Experience. Shortly after that, I

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visited Ron at his business and he
was preparing to retire, but he was

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going on vacation and he says to
me, yeah, I'm not going to

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be here next week. I'm going
to taking a vacation to Stes Park in

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Colorado with my wife. I'm like, oh, wow, that sounds great.

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You're gonna go sasquatching. And he
looked at me with this look of

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astonishment. And I will never forget
the look on his face that he was

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given me. And he said to
me, you believe in the Bigfoot thing.

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I'm like, well, I mean, hey, I personally, there's

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enough evidence out there that if it
were a criminal trial, yeah, there

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would be enough to convict on.
There's lots of evidence out there. He's

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like, you are the first person
besides my wife that I've ever had a

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conversation with that actually believes in the
Bigfoot experience. I'm like, oh,

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well, I take that flattering.
I'm like why He's like, because I

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had an experience. I'm like,
okay, all bets are off at this

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point. Now. In the warehouse
where he worked, there's a couple of

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benches, work benches, and benches
that you would you do your paperwork on

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or whatever packaging that you might do
on. And I propped myself up on

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the bench and and he asked me. He's like, do you have time?

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I'm like, yeah, I'm looking
at my watch. Of course,

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you know at that time, the
current employer that I have is since retired,

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so I don't think he's going to
come after me now for taking personal

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time off the work clock to listen
to a story, but just starting the

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sas to watch experience with you guys. I'm all in. If somebody has

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a story to did I just currently
run across the golden idol of stories?

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I want to know because sometimes we
never know who's going to be the person

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that actually finds the key to the
answer to something. And I have no

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idea what he's about to share with
me, So I'm all in. So

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I sit up on the bench and
I'm like, yeah, I've got time.

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Well, why what's going on?
So Ron explains to me. He's

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like, well, I can't believe
that I've actually physically come in contact with

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somebody that has this much interest in
this subject. And he continued to explain

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to me. The story that he
shared was in nineteen sixty three. He's

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an eight year old boy and he
would go to his grandparents' farm in northern

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central Wisconsin and they had a thousand
acre farm up there, and he said,

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you know, ever since he was
barely able to walk till the age

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of twelve, every summer he'd go
to his grandparents farm and he'd spend the

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summer there, and his parents would, you know, come and go whatever.

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But you know, Graham and Grandpa
were taking care of him and keeping

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in mind. In nineteen sixty three, which you know, I'm not very

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far behind that the culture was a
lot different than it is today, and

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his grandfather had bought him a twenty
two long rifle rifle. Now, for

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those of you I'm sure that are
familiar with firearms, when I use the

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word rifle twice, twenty two long
rifle is actually the cartridge and you shoot

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it out of a rifle. There
are handguns that use a twenty two long

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rifle cartridge out of a handgun.
But for a kid, you got a

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twenty too long rifle purchased by your
grandfather. Now, my dad, in

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that same timeframe taught me how to
use his twelve gage shotgun. This was

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a thing. It's not like it
is today where, oh my god,

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you know, the whole gun culture
is being so bastardized. Going to high

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school. When I went to high
school, I could clearly remember off the

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top of my head at least five, if not eight, pickup trucks in

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the high school parking lot that had
gun racks on the back window of the

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pickup trucks with either a shotgun or
a rifle, because hey, some of

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the kids would go shooting after school, to go rabbit hunting, duck hunting,

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just varmint hunting period in the forest
lands around it. That was a

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thing. It wasn't you know,
oh my god, you showed up and

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there's going to be a you know, a mass school shooting of some sort.

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Yeah, the culture has changed and
this isn't going to be a political

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thing. That was the culture at
the time. And as an eight year

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old boy to be given a twenty
too long rifle rifle, it wasn't sought

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as something that was really unusual.
That was just kind of how it was.

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My dad bought me a twenty too
long rifle. He brought my brothers

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and myself pelt guns, so we
would, you know, build snow forts

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in the backyard and you know,
have war with each other and if you

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got shot in the eye, well
that's your tough luck. You know,

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that's it were kids, you know, that's what kind of made us who

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we are today. You know,
you just kind of take the brutal hits

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as a kid, but you know
that's why we're not the snowflakes of today.

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So when Ron went to his grandparents
farm, mind you, it's a

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thousand acre farm and it was a
common farm. So they were growing corn,

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they had cattle, they had pigs
and chickens. It was kind of

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an all around type of farm.
And yes, some of the product in

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which they produced was sellable on the
market, and that's how they sustained the

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farm. And Ron stayed. You
know, his grandfather also bought him a

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pair of the mudding boots. And
I knew exactly what he was talking about

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because I had a pair too when
I was a kid. You put these

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boots on as a little kid and
made you look like you had ginormous feet,

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but it was what it was in
the day. They're not. They're

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nothing like boots that he can today
with the gel insert cushion and they're all

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comfortable and water proof. No,
these were just mucking boots, you know,

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and that's what they were. And
he specifically said they made his feet

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look huge, but you know,
so so be it. And he'd have

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his twenty too long rifle and he'd
go varmit shooting on the property. And

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on the back side of the property, he said, there's a creek,

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but not a creek that you and
I would probably call a creek. He

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said, it really isn't a creek, but it's not quite a river what

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you'd call something, you know,
the definition between a creek and a river.

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That's there's kind of a gray line
there. But he said it's pretty

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sizable waterway that went through the back
side of the property and it would go

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from treed areas in forest land,
you know, along this creek way.

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And he stated he went to the
back of property to go shoot bunnies,

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go shoot birds or whatever. Because
he's an eight year old kid, you're

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the superhero of the day. You've
got a firearm, you can take down

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anything. You're the badass. And
that's how he's going out there with this

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attitude, and he's getting closer to
the creek along the back side of the

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property. And what he describes to
me three different times describing this story over

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two year period of time. He's
always described this exactly the same way.

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He said, he came across a
human barefoot print in the mud that was

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ginormous to him, and he said
it with five toes and you know,

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had the heel, the entire structure
of a human footprint, only ginormous.

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And that's the word that he used, was ginormous. And he was stunned

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as a kid. This is nineteen
sixty three. He stunned as a kid.

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What is this? He's trying to
ascertain anything that he doesn't know about,

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but does know about, what would
have caused a footprint like this near

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the banks of this creek. Now, he did describe the mud in which

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this print was in. He's like, man, he said this so many

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times to me. He's like,
it was not a wet mud. It

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was a soft, formidable mud that
made such the clearest footprint in the mud.

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And he's like, if I only
knew now to know back then,

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he wouldn't have altered it. But
he took his boot. Now and when

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he's telling me the story, he's
like, you know, looking back on

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it, that boot was probably from
the toe of the boot to the heel

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of boot about ten inches and he
stepped inside the footprint to do a size

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comparison, because he had no idea
what he's looking at. He said,

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his boot was dwarfed by the size
of this footprint. And oh, there's

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the train pooh, right on time. He said, his boot was dwarfed

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by the size of this imprint in
the mud. And again, you're an

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eight year old kid. You know
nothing about sasquatch. Nothing. This was

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not in the lexicon of our culture
at all in nineteen sixty three. It

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just really was not. So he
had no idea what he's looking at other

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than the confusion of what kind of
a giant could make a footprint this big?

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And he stuck his boot, like
I said, in the middle of

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the footprint. And of course his
biggest regret was that he didn't have plaster

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of Paris. Of course, in
nineteen sixty three, yeah, I was

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a kid too. Now. I
remember the sixties, Plaster of Paris was

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a big thing. It was sold
at every five and dime store that there

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was. Plaster of Paris was sold
everywhere because a lot of arts and crafts

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were done with plaster in Paris.
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mom's friend's house that had a house
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as kids, you know, and
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my brothers and myself, we go
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grab the seashells and snail shells and
we make these cool little imprints with our

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hands, put the shells in there, and then pour plaster Paris in there

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and make artwork to hang on a
wall of our bedroom, and our mom,

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you know, encourage that that was
kind of a cool thing. Plaster

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of Paris was a really big thing
back then. This is Ron's biggest regret

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because he didn't know what it is
he's looking at. He's completely uneducated and

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unfamiliar with what he's looking at.
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and he's completely confused. He stepped
a number of steps away and saw

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an opposite footprint away from the other
footprint. And now as an adult,

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he realizes the stride that this thing
must have taken to make that second footprint

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was incredible, and the second footprint
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He said that mud sediment was further
away from the bank, and that's

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his biggest regret because he's like that
would have probably been one hundred thousand dollars

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footprint because there probably was dermal ridges
imprinted in there, because it was that

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type of mud consistency. It wasn't
wet, but yet it was soft enough

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to leave very great detail. And
again he's a kid, he doesn't know.

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But he sees a second footprint of
the opposite footprint, and he's really

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kind of freaked out at this point. And he finds the third one and

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it's only half a print stepping into
the creek, and he said, he

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got scared. He didn't know,
are there you know, human footed elephants

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in there? He he knew nothing
of what it is he's looking at.

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So he continues on with the story
that excuse me, that he was upset

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and kind of scared as to what
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his way back to the farmhouse,
and he told his grandfather what he had

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seen, and of course his grandfather
kind of, you know, shrugged it

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off in a laugh of him,
you know, okay, it's your grandkid,

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you know, are you taking something
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not part of our culture. This
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And he tried to convince his grandfather. But remember back in those days,

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in the sixties, he didn't have
your quad runners, he didn't have

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your four wheel gaiters, your John
Dear vehicles to do any kind of land

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management on your farm property to take
a ride out there. And he's a

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grandfather. He's not going to go
walk that back property. And Ron came

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to that realization as an adult.
He didn't understand that as a kid,

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but he took it as an understanding
as an adult. That's probably why his

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grandfather just shrugged the entire thing off
to say, okay, it's a great

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imagination and you know, okay,
let's have dinner and blew the conversation up.

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But it changed his life. He
had no idea what he was looking

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at, but it changed his life, and he wanted answers. And I

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think that's very prominent to all of
us that wouldn't want answers after seeing something

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like that, what created it?
I mean, if he saw a dinosaur

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print, you'd want to know what's
in the area. Now, Ron did

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state that as a kid, and
we've probably have all had experiences as a

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child where you've had one experience,
maybe a couple of experiences that get imprinted

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on your brain, and those pictures
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You have great detail and memory,
and that's the impact that Ron said he

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had. He says he can look
in his head and still see those imprints

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as fresh as the day that he
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And I can relate to that.
I had an experience with my parents

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at that age that I will never
forget that was very detail orientated. So

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yeah, at any point did he
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footprints. Not at that time.
That'll probably come on the second half of

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this conversation, but let's fast forward
and if I forgot any details on that

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particular encounter. After he went back
to the farmhouse whereas grandparents were at and

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he did explain to his grandfather what
he saw, and his grandfather kind of

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pretty much blew it off and did
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And Ron said his grandfather never gave
him an explanation as to what it

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may have been. You know,
all, well, we've got bears out

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here, big cat. No,
he didn't give him any kind of an

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explanation other than just leaving it a
blank page. And let your imagination fill

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in the gaps from that. So
let's move in four years. Well now

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he's eleven years old. Wells,
before we move on, it's almost time

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for the break, so we can
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yep, and then we can hit
some questions. Yeah, absolutely, all

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right, all right, Bob,
everybody stay tuned. We'll be right back.

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Got the big Foot bullet and coming
your way. We'll take a breather,

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see you in about five minutes.
Everybody, hold on tight. As

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soon as I find the damn file
smoke, I'll sit. Yes, it's

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another fine, high quality edition of
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experience. I hope you're all having
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that you are listening to this.
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on the big Foot Bullhorn with something
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that's what I do. So the
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and arrived at an airport in Shannai, India's Central Board of Indirect Taxes and

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Customs said on April thirtieth news release
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attempting to smuggle twenty two snakes of
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shows some of the packed, escaped
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several snakes slithering along the floor near
a blue suitcase and a yellow and green

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plastic container. An officer holds one
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a photo, and another photo shows
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hand. One of the snakes escaped
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Other photos show a container with a
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possibly several snakes, and a container
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Custom officials seized the snakes and the
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Myself and j Baker and Matt Arner, you know, our good friend Cryptic

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Wilderness. Matt Arner will be representing
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know if they've announced it yet,
but I'm announcing it because I can.

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I'm sure you own that's right,
Thank you? I do Vans we were

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talking about Ron Anonymous's footprint. Fine
before we went to break Bob the cheek

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of our listeners had a comment epic
footprint find nineteen sixty three was pre suburban

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sprawl and ATVs probably more common then
today. It would be great evidence so

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rare today via hoaxes and crowded woodlands
to find a print like that. Absolutely,

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I think Bob's spot on with his
assessment. As I posted in their

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two Vans nineteen sixty three three Patterson
film Bigfoot, really not on the brain

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of folks right at that time,
right, And it's a different place in

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the mental perspective to put yourself in. And I'm just trying to the listeners

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of the watchers, so they just
have an idea about that bake or any

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comment before we get into the second
part of this. Well, I think

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you make a valid point about the
hoaxers and the guys who like to play

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with you know. The thing is
is you look at it that there's so

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many sightings between before the Patterson gimmlin
and before even the eighties that there weren't

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you know, people just making stuff
up. Yeah, there were some that

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it wasn't like it is today or
you have fourteen videos coming up an hour,

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you know. So I think that
that that would have been a really

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important fine the fact that the fact
that he specifically found that in the time

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and has an idea, and it
sounds like I haven't heard the rest of

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the story, but four years later
something else happened. So I mean that

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it would be it's got to be
that, you know, we lived when

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we didn't live so digital and so
crowded. We may have had more sightings,

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you know, we would have had
more evidence. But the problem was

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is that back then they didn't see
it as evidence. They just saw a

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strange track and they're like, oh, okay, I'm gonna move on.

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Yeah. Well, I'm happy to
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that's what ties into the four years
later thing, is the mere fact that

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at that time period, and I
can attest to this, the school library

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and the public library was really your
only source of information. And like I

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said, it's an eight year old
kid. This definitely impacted him mentally to

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the fact of wanting to know what
it is he's looking at. He had

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no clue. It's definitively a human
footprint, but extremely large. So therefore,

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it's abnormal. And when I was
a kid, yeah, the public

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library was a huge resource because this
is pre internet, pre smartphone, pre

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any kind of information. And he
has stated to me, which I experienced

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the same thing too. The only
thing that he could find was the Tom

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Slick expedition of the jetty and those
footprints, which did not even resemble close

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to what he saw, but he
found a fascination in it when he went

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through the Tom slickbook. But at
that time, our public libraries, at

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least where I grew up, did
the same thing. They would continually have

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these events at the public library,
not school, but public library of local

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TV news anchors that would come and
do a presentation for the kids. You

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would have kids story time, not
drag queen story time, but you know,

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story time by authors of the books
that were written, and they would

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share what the adults and the kids. And there was also movie night.

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Four years later, he's eleven years
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seven, late nineteen sixty seven,
and he sees the Patterson Gimblin film for

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the first time, and he said
he was shocked. He knew exactly And

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this is him saying it to me. He knew exactly what that creature was,

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but what he couldn't figure out was
how did that creature travel from California

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to central Wisconsin. That's what stumped
him. He's eleven years old. He's

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not putting biology into any of the
equation here of a multiple population. He's

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thinking, this is one creature that
traveled from California all the way to north

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central Wisconsin somehow. But he said
when he saw that film, that changed

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everything because when he looked at it, just like I did when I was

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a kid, I knew what I
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I can't say I have proof.
I'm just giving you. And of course

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we're looking at the original film that's
shaky and jumpy and not stabilized. But

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it was that impact that that film
presented to him and to myself at the

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same time when I first saw it
on Creature Features in Chicago. Actually,

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I don't know if it was Creature
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show. Yeah, go ahead,
just as you brought it up. A

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question I have for you man,
looking at these this recent are the recently

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stabilized four K quality footage of the
Patterson Ghiblin film. Seeing it today in

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that format, does it change your
perspective of the first time you've seen it,

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You've seen it back way back when, like, does that added clarity

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and stabilization change the feeling of it
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changed the feeling because first impressions are
hard to change. Sure, they really

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are hard to change. If you
eat something and you just don't like it,

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you're never gonna eat it again.
Even if you see it, you

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just you still have the same opinion. So my opinion, seeing the original

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unstabilized footage, I was convinced that
this is a real creature. It helps

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to see its stabilized because now we
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But I can't say that it's changed
my opinion, nor has it changed Ron's

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opinion, because he's seen the stabilized, you know, version of it.

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Also, that was my next question
for you. Did you ever show Ron

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the stabilized version? And now he
came across it himself, you know,

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Being that all these events happened,
he's become more and more involved in doing

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the research. So after he saw
the PG film, he did come across

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years later, I do not remember
the name of the book, and I

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don't know that he remembered the name
of the book, but it was look

406
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:46.119
we look at Lauren Coleman. He
was the original BFR. He wrote book

407
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:53.199
on you know, locations times of
those locations of witness sightings. Lauren Coleman

408
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:58.400
was on top of it, but
long before Matt Moneymaker was, and he

409
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:04.199
had the book and in the book
he's looking at a map of these sightings

410
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:10.280
in the book, and where Ron
had his footprint encounter was less than fifty

411
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:16.880
miles away from more a documented account
in Lauren Coleman's book was and that was

412
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:24.679
completely fascinating to him. So now
we're putting pieces together that it's very possible.

413
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:29.679
And of course you know in later
years, Ron's going back over time

414
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:34.519
to look at how the forest land
was developed. It was an expansive forest

415
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:39.760
land along these creeks between these farm
fields that go through northern Wisconsin up to

416
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:47.760
the lack of Flambeaux forest reservations into
the National Forest. There's billions of acres

417
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:52.719
of forest land that this thing could
have moved through to come right up to

418
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.960
this property where he was at where
he saw these footprints at but to have

419
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:06.119
something that Lauren Coleman documented in his
book pretty much solidified what it was that

420
00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:10.159
he saw and gives him a little
bit more peace, if you want to

421
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:19.280
use that as a verb to say, Hey, I'm thinking this is something

422
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:23.199
that actually happened, because other people
had this witness encounter and they testified that

423
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:29.360
to Lauren Coleman, and he documented
it in his book. And that's pretty

424
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:37.400
fascinating within itself. But we can
go years later when Royan originally told me,

425
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:42.679
like I stated to you at the
beginning of this entire story, Yeah,

426
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:45.679
I'm going on vacation and I'm going
to ST's Park out in Colorado with

427
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:51.719
his wife because he likes to frequent
that area. So he proceeds to tell

428
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:55.960
me on that trip, when he
came back from that trip, that he

429
00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:01.440
was at a gas station feeling up
his jeep and they were staying in a

430
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:05.920
hotel. They weren't camping, they
were staying in a hotel, but he

431
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:08.559
would take the jeep and they would
you go through sts and look at the

432
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:14.519
beautiful mountains. He says, We're
at a gas station and I'm putting gas

433
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:20.960
in my truck and across the way
a thousand yards away. There's small mountain

434
00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:25.880
ridges right there in sts National Park, but it's not. And I know

435
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:30.559
exactly what he's talking about because I've
been there too, just like you,

436
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:35.199
Sean, Not every mountain ridge is
going to have a hiking trail on it.

437
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:42.079
These are just remote, unowned land. It's just part of the landscape.

438
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:45.280
Nobody owns it. There's no national
park that owns it. There's no

439
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:51.679
hiking trails. And he says he's
filling up his fuel tank on his jeep

440
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:59.599
and he just so happens to notice
this large black bipedal thing. He didn't

441
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:02.119
say was a big foot. He
just said it was a large black bipedople

442
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:09.519
thing walking across this low Ridge mountain
line about a thousand yards away from him.

443
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:15.800
Now, he did state, ever, since his encounter is an eight

444
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:21.239
year old kid, he's going to
bring whatever he has to bring with him

445
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:25.360
to get this if he ever sees
it again. He wants proof. And

446
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:34.519
he said he had bought a fifteen
hundred dollars Bushnell binoculars and you could see

447
00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:37.840
birch shit in a crater of a
moon with these binoculars. And I get

448
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:43.159
exactly what he's saying because I've looked
through those things, you know, it

449
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:47.519
was in his jeep. He could
not he didn't even think about getting those

450
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:52.559
binoculars to take a look at what
he's watching walking across a ridge line at

451
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:57.840
Estes. But he did point it
out to his wife who was there.

452
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:01.920
Do you see that she was confused. Now, she was a complete skeptic

453
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:07.039
to this day, she's a skeptic
about his bigfoot stuff. But she loves

454
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:12.480
the man. She's not doubting him. But she couldn't figure out what this

455
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:16.280
thing was. And again, I'm
only sharing the story. Is how Ron

456
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:21.760
shared it with me, is that
he sees this thing. He's looking at

457
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:27.880
the side of the trees on the
mountain ridge and this thing was very sizeable

458
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:32.079
to the trees that he's watching walk
across the top of this and he's like,

459
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:37.599
there's no hiking trails up there.
This is just a remote area.

460
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:43.440
That's yeah, it's beautiful to look
at, but it's not designated for any

461
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:46.639
kind of hikers. And yet here
he is putting fuel in his jeep and

462
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:52.039
he sees this thing, a black
and he said, very much look like

463
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:55.400
a conical head. How many times
have we seen a witness report where it

464
00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:00.239
mentions a conical head. Now,
a thousand yards is not really that close,

465
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:04.719
but you know what, you can
still at a thousand yards, and

466
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:07.280
I know what a thousand yards looks
like. You can still kind of make

467
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:12.000
out quite a bit of detail at
a thousand yards. It sounds like a

468
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:15.960
lot, but it's really not.
It's you're talking ten football fields away from

469
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:22.480
you. You'll still be able to
identify something. And he did stay to

470
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:29.000
me several times over and over.
This thing looked huge. Okay, well,

471
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:31.840
you can kind of identify how far
you are from the mountain ridge the

472
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:37.920
size of the trees, and ask
and he's like, if he were to

473
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:40.159
guess, because that's the best that
he can do, because he did not

474
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:44.199
go up there to measure, But
if he were to guess, he would

475
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:51.719
say at least eight to ten feet
now vanced. He observed that from the

476
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.840
distance with the naked eye, not
with the bush nails, right, correct.

477
00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:58.800
Okay, I just wanted to clarify
because you did say he had,

478
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:02.440
yes, But that's kind of my
point of why didn't you get a picture

479
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:06.719
of it? Because you don't think
to go get your phone, You don't

480
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:09.360
think to go get the binoculars.
You don't want to take your eye off

481
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:14.320
of what it is that you're witnessing
at that moment. And he attested to

482
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:21.159
all the Sasquatch shows that he's been
listening to ever since all these things have

483
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:25.960
happened to him. He gets involved
into listening, but he's not directly involved

484
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:30.159
in any groups because he just does
not want to get scrutinized and he does

485
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:35.800
not want to have the spotlight put
on him. He's just interested in getting

486
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:40.239
information. And he said to me
how many times he's heard witness report,

487
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:44.400
Well, why didn't you get a
picture of it? Because you don't think

488
00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:47.800
of it at the time. You're
witnessing something, You're gonna witness it with

489
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:52.079
your eyes, and you don't want
to take your eyes off of it.

490
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:59.159
What led him? What led him
to looking over in the direction? Did

491
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:01.960
he feel like some he was watching
him or was it just total happens dance.

492
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:06.960
He just happened to look over,
and you know, he didn't make

493
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:12.480
mention that anything was watching him.
He said he was putting fuel in the

494
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:16.480
gas tank of his jeep and he
happened to notice. And I believe that

495
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:22.559
was his verbatim statement was he happened
to notice to look up and you know,

496
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:27.199
he's probably facing that mountain ridge where
he's feeling is jeep up at and

497
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:31.039
happened to notice this, saying,
walking across the ridge line on top of

498
00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:37.320
the mountain, did he happen to
get an estimate on the height or weight

499
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:43.039
or whatever was looking at him the
object with the conical head, Well,

500
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:46.440
he felt that it was between eight
to ten feet. Now that's a two

501
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:52.320
foot difference, but that was his
gut reaction was And he did state his

502
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:58.840
wife said that's abnormally large for a
person, but she left it as it's

503
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:05.840
possibly a hike. But he did
state it was entirely black from head to

504
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:09.440
toe, face, legs, arms, everything was black. It was all

505
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:14.960
unison colored. And he's like,
I don't know that somebody would have a

506
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:20.320
backpack on or a hoodie or in
jeans that are all the same color right

507
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:23.679
down to the hands, that you'd
be wearing black gloves, black coat,

508
00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:30.320
black hoodie, black backpack, black
jeans, black shoes. He said,

509
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:37.800
the thing was entirely unison in color. Any questions, big, No,

510
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:40.519
I mean, the story's pretty solid. I mean, it's it seems like

511
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:46.039
he has something that's specifically that some
reason he's either drawn to the creature or

512
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:52.119
the creatures drawn to him. But
he seems to have a reasonable It's it's

513
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.880
hard to get a secondhand because it's
kind of like when Sean reads a book

514
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:59.599
and then explains it to me.
It's like, it's a good story,

515
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:02.440
but there's little details that I have
questions on that you just don't know,

516
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:07.199
you know, because I can't you
know, I can't you know, ask

517
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:10.719
him, you know. But like
in general, like these stories kind of

518
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:14.639
match up with a lot of the
stories get And I also want to shout

519
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:17.280
out to Coleman because Coleman takes a
lot of flak now and then, but

520
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:21.599
honestly, when you look at the
research he's done, the books he's written,

521
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:24.639
and the and the things he's done
for the community, he is an

522
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:29.800
authority on that. So if you
know, if he was learning some of

523
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:32.280
the stuff he did from watching what
Coleman did, then at least he was

524
00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:38.119
getting a big part of the good
part of the information correctly, right.

525
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:49.639
And I will say that you know, prior to the SDS encounter, he

526
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:53.880
was doing a lot of research on
his own, just personal because it's personal

527
00:47:53.960 --> 00:48:00.119
to him, nobody else, and
I am the first person that he's ever

528
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:05.280
met face to face that has an
interest in this subject. So he immediately

529
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:12.239
embraced my enthusiasm with and I embraced
his enthusiasm. And you know, he's

530
00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:15.280
trying to come up with names as
fast as he can. And that guy

531
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:20.039
that does the that that bigfoot show
on TV, and I'm like, oh,

532
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:22.920
okay, there's a lot of them. Yeah, that Finding Bigfoot show

533
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:28.239
and and and that stuff that they
showed, and yeah, I get it,

534
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:30.679
but I think a lot of it's
bullshit because that's not what I experienced.

535
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:39.760
It's great to have that outside experiencer
give me at least feedback to what

536
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:45.119
might be bs and what's not bus. I'm not seeing everything on that show

537
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:50.519
where it's BS, but I understand
the enthusiasm of oh we heard this.

538
00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:54.719
Would not that's definitely a bigfoot.
No, maybe it's not. It might

539
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:59.360
be somebody out there just you know, ff and with your brain and hitting

540
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:02.320
the baseball bat against a tree looking
for a big foot. Also, and

541
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:07.039
you don't know that they're in the
area looking for a big foot. It's

542
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:14.159
possible. So he's very skeptical about
the evidence that he sees on these television

543
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:19.320
shows, and I get it.
But he had great respect for Lauren Coleman

544
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:23.639
because he read all the Lauren Coleman
books, whether it's Bigfoot related or anything

545
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:30.480
cryptozologically related. Because he doesn't know
where this footprints or the three footprints that

546
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:36.400
he saw came from. Maybe it's
something else he didn't know at the time.

547
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:42.480
So he's looking into cryptozoology as a
subject altogether for every type of entity

548
00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:45.800
that might not be discovered yet.
But he leaves that possibility to open.

549
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:50.480
So he gives you, Lauren Coleman
a lot of credit in which I do

550
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:53.920
too. I mean, the first
book I bought of Lauren Coleman was Cryptozoology

551
00:49:54.079 --> 00:50:00.559
A through z. It gives you
a chronological description of everything has been witnessed

552
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:07.760
or told about, whether it's folklore
or just stories. Okay, he wrote

553
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:09.639
about it, puts it in the
book, and now you can use it

554
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:14.320
as a dictionary. Well what comes
close to this animal? Well let's go,

555
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:17.280
do you know the letter j Where
do we come up with under the

556
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:22.400
letter ja? Oh? Lauren Coleman
went ahead and did that, So I

557
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:27.039
do give a lot of kudos to
Lauren for putting into that. And that's

558
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:32.960
why I said earlier in that book
that Ron is referring to, it was

559
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:39.719
Lauren Coleman that actually started the report
sightings of Bigfoot before the bfrro ever came

560
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:45.519
around. And yeah, the bfrro
okay, they got a database to work

561
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:49.639
with now on the Internet, where
Lauren Coleman didn't have that at the time.

562
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:52.599
All they could do it was documented
into a book, publish it and

563
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:58.079
hope people would buy it and that
would be their data source. But now

564
00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:02.840
the BFR can add sightings on a
daily basis if necessary, on an Internet

565
00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:07.480
source. Oh, which, okay, that's great. I'm sure there's a

566
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:12.239
lot of sources on there that are
very credible. There are probably a lot

567
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:15.800
on there that are just a bunch
of you know, horse pockey, but

568
00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:22.639
that doesn't matter, you know.
So again, this isn't about Lauren Coleman.

569
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:28.440
This is about the fact that it's
solidified with what he saw fifty mile

570
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:32.119
or less than fifty miles away from
where he sees these footprints. Fifty miles

571
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:37.880
is not that far. It's really
not that especially in a wilderness situation.

572
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:43.320
It's not that far away. And
of course the closest home next to the

573
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:47.599
farm where he was staying in his
grandparents place over the summer was a mile

574
00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:52.199
and a half down the road.
You're not going to just you know,

575
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:55.000
run next door to your neighbors and
say, hey, did you know because

576
00:51:55.079 --> 00:52:01.800
this is an expanse part of northern
Central withconsin and I've been up there many

577
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:07.119
times. Yeah, You've got to
drive a long way down the country road

578
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:13.000
to get to the next house.
So it's such a remote area. And

579
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:16.239
at that time, you know,
he did document a lot as he grew

580
00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:21.559
up through the years into his twenties, thirties, and forties, because now

581
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:25.079
this is part of who it's become. After he's seen this stuff and is

582
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:30.480
taking interest in it and going to
the library and researching, and then the

583
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:36.079
Internet comes about and he's getting more
information and he's documenting. He's looking at

584
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:38.840
that region where he was out there
as an eight year old kid with a

585
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:45.800
twenty two long rifle going. Yeah, it was very possible anything undiscovered could

586
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:51.239
have traveled and traversed through those lands
for hundreds of miles without being detected.

587
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:55.239
Yeah, and he's not wrong.
I mean, we talked about this this

588
00:52:55.440 --> 00:53:02.719
morning, Bacon. I'man were out
about the private lands and how much underdeveloped

589
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:07.280
land there really is out there,
and how easy it is for something to

590
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:13.440
take up residence and reside in these
places that are well off the grid,

591
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:16.840
well off in nowhere that you know, maybe for sale, but people don't

592
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:21.599
go out there, you know,
but for you know, ships and giggles,

593
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:25.960
and you know, we talk about
the frequency of these big foot sightings

594
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:30.360
and often compared to a needle in
a haystack, with the needle that's always

595
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:37.440
moving exactly right right, and you
know, a chance, you know,

596
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:42.559
you'll probably have a greater chance of
being struck by lightning than you do of

597
00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:45.679
seeing a big foot, right,
I mean that's just a you know,

598
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:51.679
probably a real statistic, but I
mean it's happening more often than not now

599
00:53:51.920 --> 00:54:00.480
urban sprawl and you know, things
that you know are really affecting the now

600
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:05.320
that we didn't have to worry about
in the fifties and sixties, you know,

601
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:09.760
really creating a different environment for these
beings to live in. Right,

602
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:15.760
So well, you know, you
know, going back to when he's a

603
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:20.239
kid eight years old, he has
no perspective on what he's what he's encountering.

604
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:25.840
Then he has that siting. How
many years later with the easily we're

605
00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:34.519
talking fifty some years later, right, Yeah, And in the interim,

606
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:37.039
he's had several years to kind of
make up his own thoughts and do some

607
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:43.840
research, but nothing really concrete to
experience or relate. And now all of

608
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:47.400
a sudden, he has that chance
encounter of something that he experienced as you

609
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:50.920
know, just think about that mental
image. If you can paint that picture

610
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:54.119
being a kid, you know,
I can see it like a movie flashback,

611
00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:58.360
you know. Man, he's sitting
in his jeep fueling up and he

612
00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:00.760
looks over in season. Then in
his mind, if he just had those

613
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:04.400
that thought in his head of him
seeing those as a kid, like,

614
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:09.360
could you imagine that cascade of emotion? And I'm glad you brought that up,

615
00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:16.119
because he did. He did give
me that testimony in his response that

616
00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:22.119
what were the chances that he and
he did stay to me. I want

617
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:28.239
to make this perfectly clear. He
did stay to me that he didn't want

618
00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:34.119
his experience as a kid to influence
what he saw in ST's Park. He's

619
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:38.360
trying to separate those two desperately so
that he's not oh well, that's definitely

620
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:43.559
a big foot because I saw footprints
as a kid, he said, he

621
00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:51.800
deliberately separated those two in his head
because and the party words that Ron said

622
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:57.639
to me was he wants an answer
before he dies. He's like, please,

623
00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:02.360
whatever happens before my death, I
want an answer. I'm like,

624
00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:07.679
well, Ron, I can attest
to a lot of us in this community

625
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:15.320
we're requesting the same thing. But
I understand he just wants some validity personally

626
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:19.760
because he's not sharing this with the
world. He's sharing this with himself.

627
00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:24.800
And I get that he wants to
know what he saw as a kid and

628
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:29.880
what he saw and as an adult. Can he get some validity before he

629
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:35.599
dies as is this real or not? Well? Pass along our thanks if

630
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:40.840
when you see Ron again for sharing
the story with us, and again,

631
00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:44.559
Vans were wrapping up to the top
of the hour here, so I don't

632
00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:45.960
want to get too far down the
rabbit hole, Baker, any final questions

633
00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:51.239
or comment you have for Vans regarding
ron anonymous story, not really. I

634
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:53.239
just hope that we get a hold
of him physically, that maybe we can

635
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:58.119
either get him to ask additional questions
or that we can get a point where

636
00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:00.519
he can add to the story so
that we right you know, I just

637
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:05.440
don't really say that we use the
term story as in fictional like that.

638
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:09.920
I meant. I meant the I
see the story as news, not as

639
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:15.039
fiction. Okay, I'm clarifying for
the listeners that this isn't a made up,

640
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:19.159
fabricated thing. Ron Anonymous is a
real person who just prefers for his

641
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:22.559
own reason to be anonymous, and
we were very fortunate that he was willing

642
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:25.519
to share this with Vans. So
again, Vans pass along our thank you

643
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:30.840
well to Ron for this and perhaps
if we have any questions, folks,

644
00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:37.239
if you want to send any questions
into us through our website or sasquatch Experience

645
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:42.960
dot com, same as with reporting
you're fighting an encounter, info at sasquatch

646
00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:46.840
Experience dot com or hit us up
on our social media Sasquatch Experience on Facebook,

647
00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:51.480
Instagram, squatch esp on Twitter,
any of those places. If you

648
00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:53.599
have a question for Ron that we
might be able to get to him and

649
00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:58.039
perhaps Vans, we can compile them
and you can kind of do a question

650
00:57:58.239 --> 00:58:00.800
with them and get the answers back
to us as we do a follow up

651
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:07.360
in a lot Anonymous something to think, I'd be happy to no I'd be

652
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:13.760
happy to do that, you know, Like I said, you know towards

653
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:19.320
the top of the show, he
understands how this community can be. There's

654
00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:23.360
so many different groups in this community. He understood that a lot of groups

655
00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:29.480
are closely knit and very supportive of
each other, and he knows there's other

656
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:32.920
groups that are just vicious and want
to tear each other apart. He just

657
00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:40.480
did not want to subject himself to
being torn apart for something that he experienced

658
00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:46.480
as a kid. And I completely
understand that. So he kind of stepped

659
00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:52.719
back, and this is his personal
experience. We've all had a personal experience,

660
00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:58.840
not cryptozologically related, that we're not
going to share with the world because

661
00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:01.639
you might get torn up hard.
Bill. No, you didn't have Yeah,

662
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:06.280
I kind of did. I had
that nightmare as a child. No,

663
00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:09.440
you didn't. Vance We've talked about
that many times in the show,

664
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:14.320
right that it's a very personal experience
with your own sort of emotions. And

665
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:16.760
you know, again I used the
word trauma, but your own traumas and

666
00:59:17.320 --> 00:59:22.199
trep editions built into sharing it.
We're just glad he did. Folks,

667
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:24.880
you've been listening to Sasquatch experience.
I'm Sean the fork shop Forker. You

668
00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:30.320
can find me everywhere on social media
with my name at Sean Forker, Vance

669
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:35.280
working. Folks find you. Oh, they can find me on Instagram.

670
00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:40.639
It's something to just look up Vance
on Instagram. You'll find me. I'm

671
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:46.760
on Facebook two again, so yeah, Vance Nez been on Facebook and if

672
00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:52.159
I put something up there it'll be
interesting and you can find he was on

673
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:57.440
grinder until he found us. I
was sure yeah, and tender uh huh

674
00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:02.199
yeah no, a long long grinder
van but they're not the sandwich as you've

675
01:00:02.199 --> 01:00:08.519
been looking for. And James w
fuckyd you. Um right now, I'm

676
01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:13.119
pretty much wherever Sean is and some
of these things. But I'm also working

677
01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:15.920
on little projects. Um. We
talk about a lot about land and things

678
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:20.760
like that. So I've been working
on It's called Lot five six. Um

679
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:23.000
check it out, you know,
see what your opinion is. And did

680
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:29.000
you change it to Stories of the
Blue Man? No, George of the

681
01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:32.360
Blue Man? You're the Blue Man. Today's ZIS experience was a little sizzle

682
01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:37.320
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683
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Patreon for as little as two dollars
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684
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685
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:50.880
hear Sean and Baker take on Reddit. And next week, of course we're

686
01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:53.039
we're off, but the following week
we'll be back. I'll be doing an

687
01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:59.360
interview with Matt Knapp over at Bigfoot
Crossroads. I'm gonna do a little collaborating

688
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:02.960
with my good friend, old friend, Matt Knapp, so that'll be interesting.

689
01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:07.679
Check out that show too, folks, Bigfoot Crossroads. You can get

690
01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:13.280
it anywhere. You can find us
on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Play

691
01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:15.719
check it out. Matt's good dude, and the podcast is top notch.

692
01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:22.119
Uh you know again, some of
our compatriots, Matt Arner Gwen Purcell have

693
01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:28.360
are making their way through the Bigfoot
Society podcast. Check out our good friend

694
01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:30.920
Jeremiah over on that show. Of
course, as always, check out our

695
01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:37.159
good friend Shanon LaGrow over at end
of the Fray Radio. Um, we'll

696
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:40.719
be meeting meeting up again here soon
at the beginning of June at monster Fest.

697
01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:45.559
Check that out Smalltown Monsters dot Com
forward slash monster Fest. I think

698
01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:49.199
that's the RL And if I got
it wrong, just google the damn thing.

699
01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:53.400
I don't know, folks, Henry
May was here, he'd say,

700
01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:59.719
you all be good or bed it, keep your toes in the mud.

701
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:05.039
That's it. Yeah that too,
of course. Let's see yeah a couple

702
01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:15.000
of weeks smokes. Good night,
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01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:20.159
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