May 8, 2026

EP 141: Cocaine Hippos

EP 141: Cocaine Hippos
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Season 13

After a 3 Month Sabbatical, the SE Crew is back to catch up on all the craziness in the community, and Baker talks about cocaine hippos!


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Using opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch Experience do

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not necessarily reflect the opinion of the host, sponsors, or

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affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener discretion is advised.

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We got some one or something drawling around out here

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by what it was? Was it a person or an

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animal or I can't tell. All they know is that

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my betro light came on and I happened to glam

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say that being running across the yard a goodbye man

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or a company looked like a man. I don't know

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what it was. Back in two thousand and five, we

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set out with one goal to give voice to the

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mystery and those who pursue it. Sasquatch Experience podcast has

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been your go to source for serious Bigfoot discussion, where

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we separate fact from folklore. Always grounded in research and respect,

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We've interviewed eyewitnesses, experts, and skeptical like because understanding Bigfoot

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isn't just about belief, It's about the journey. Nearly two

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decades later, we're still chasing shadows and sharing stories. The

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search never stopped. Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. Hello, get

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somebody out here with Henry May. I love that. That's

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always my favorite part of the opener, right there with

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Henry May. Folks, welcome back to the Sasquatch experience. I'm

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Sean the fort chop Falker. That's James Baker, Matt Arner

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is underneath me, and Henry down in the corner. It's

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almost like Hollywood Square is with that's the center winner

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and it has been It has been oh, I say,

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three months guys since we've done our last show. Three months. Yeah,

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and a lot has happened in those three months. So

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we're going to get into that in just a little bit.

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But great to be here with you guys tonight. Folks,

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bear with us as we're a little rusty and I've

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got a little sin of thing that's been going on

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the last couple of days. So it never fails. It's

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not cocaine from our Tonight's episode. Tonight was not titled

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Cocaine Hippo because of me. It was our good friend

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James Baker and his cleverness. They came up with the

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title of tonight's show, and you know what, I figured

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it would be a pretty good it would be a

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pretty good way to grab some attention for tonight's program.

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What the hell does cocaine hippos have to do with sasquatch.

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We'll find out here in just a little bit. But team,

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we've got some announcements to kick off the program with

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Matt is going to be a featured speaker at this

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year Forest County Bigfoot Festival held in Marionville, Pennsylvania. That's

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going to be going to be June twelfth to the

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fourteenth up in Marionville, Pennsylvania. That festival, folks, gets a

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lot of foot traffic, Yes it does. There's a lot

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of people that make it to that event. And we'll

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be there, I think in some way, shape or form.

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I don't know if they give Matt a table or not, but.

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I'll have a table and I'll meet up with you beforehand.

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We'll grab the Sasquatch Experience tablecuver in some of the

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supplies and we'll bring it up here.

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Excellent, very good, and so that'll be in June. Of course,

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Sasquatch Experience Team will be in attendance at the Pennsylvania

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Paris Stormfest, East Huntington Township, Pennsylvania on July eleventh. I

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don't know how many of the team members are going

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to be there, but I am and Baker's going to

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be there, and of course we'll have more information on

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that as we go along down the line. Uh So

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a couple events will be at. We did not make

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it to any of the big events this year. Guys,

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we've all been kind of we've all been laying low

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and folks, if you've not been part of the conference

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circuit or part of the uh it's a lot. It

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takes just as much time to prepare and go to

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spend at a conference as it does the present it

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one and we haven't always Matt and I tend to

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do the presentations at the smaller events. One day we'll

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get asked to do the big ones. But I'll tell

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you what, folks, if you want to have some dynamic

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speakers at your event, pick us. We're a lot of fun.

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Folks tend to like our presentations, and you usually end

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up getting a third James Baker for free, never advertised,

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but always happy to chip in, Always there for that

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and for as little as two dollars a month or two,

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could be a supporter of the Sasquatch Experience. In our

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revamped Patreon, we've got a lot more common. We've been

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off for three months, folks. We had a lot going on.

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We all needed a break. And it seems, guys, as

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the break we took, shit got weird, didn't it? Across

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the Bigfoot community. It's no sooner than we start taking

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a break than the proverbial shit hit the fan. I

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had to tell you. Vance is absent tonight, maybe joining

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us again here soon. He's on a hiatus. We wish

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him well. He's got a lot of things going on,

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so you know, when he ready to come back, he's

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ready to come back, he'll let us know. But until

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then we wish him well. Yeah, And like I said,

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shit got weird. Guys. We started off with the Ohio

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Bigfoot sighting flap, which caused quite a bit of controversy

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the flap, right, and mainly you know, our friend Jeremiah

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over the Bigfoot Society podcast jumped on it and started

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getting that information out there. But soon it started to

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take on a life of its own. And you know

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where my concern has always been. And this is where

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we're a little different at Sasquatch experience compared to a

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lot of our contemporaries anymore. Is we don't jump on

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the new We wait, we watch where it's going, We

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pay attention, and then we comment or get involved as

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we need to. And I think that's actually benefited us

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quite a little bit, you know, in that it's allowed

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us to be a part of the conversation but also

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not be part of the misinformation or part of the

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sometimes it's hard to phrase, part of the pop and

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circumstance of it, right, part of the inflation of it. So, guys,

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I'll give you a couple of minutes to opine on that. Henry,

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what were your thoughts on yet another bigfoot flap that

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started off pretty strong in Ohio but fizzled out as

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quickly as it started.

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Well, I think you've a what you do about nothing.

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I think a lot of the more copy passed it was, what, man,

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it's hysteria going on?

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Well, you know, and that's something I always think about

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in these flaps, and I'm sure they had that same

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issue in Westmoreland County in the seventies and whenever these

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bigfoot hot spot you know, bigfoot hotspots things, you know,

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kind of kind of went out there. Baker Matt.

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Well, I I didn't follow a lot of it because honestly,

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I had some other things that kind of irritated me

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about the whole pats and give them thing and a

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few other things. So really, honestly, like I don't like

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when we get a little of press, not because I

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don't think the field research is a bad thing. I

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don't think people getting involved as a bad thing. I

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just think when we get a lot of press fell,

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the people run around the woods screaming for no apparent reason,

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thinking they on ghost hunters or something, and then every

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little piece of everything has to be at big foot sighting.

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Hey I found some poop. Yeah, bare laid that shit

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leven alone, okay, you know, or or hey this happened.

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So like a lot of times when these things happen, said,

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we kind of sit back, drink a little bit, and

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go let's see what comes.

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Well, James Baker died. There, folks, there is right, Marry thought,

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there is bake your back buddy.

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Oh okay, Well I was done with my thought.

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Okay, Well you left us hanging there in mid thought.

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Well it just disappeared. Everybody went away, all right.

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Well, Matt basically go ahead, go ahead, no, go ahead, finish.

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Well, I wasn't sure when I stopped. But basically my

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concept was is we wait, we wait and see what

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goes on, and then we kind of look at where

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we can either contribute logistically or or realistically. Otherwise we

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just back away.

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Yeah, fair enough, Matt, go ahead.

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So I think one thing is is that this was

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a testament to just how much of a voice that

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Jeremiah has not within the community, but also outside of

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the Bigfoot community. Normally, we had a situation and Sean

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and I the whole group all knows it where we

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had two sightings that were in Pennsylvania out your state college.

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Sean and I had spoken to the to the witness

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and we were looking at, Hey, we're gonna go out.

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We're gonna hit the research area or that specific area.

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Uh in the next week. We're going to go and

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uh do measurements. We're gonna uh see uh take photos.

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We're gonna we're gonna proceed like it's a like it's

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a regular uh you know, any sort of investigation. I

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think when Jeremiah put it out, I think it was

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gonna be targeted at the big Foot community people like

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all of us. But it just got out and it

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got bigger and bigger. And bigger and bigger until you

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have you know, Fox News ABC uh and making this

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uh you know, uh top of the morning news at

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that time. So uh. I think that there was some

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that were definitely uh possibly uh, you know, good sightings.

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But again I think there was others that once hysterias there,

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they're just pigging back, piggybacking on it, and it goes

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on and on and on, and as an investigator, it

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really kind of ties us up because we're looking at

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these ones that people said, hey, I heard something, but

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you know, it's a squirrel or it may be something else,

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whereas the legitimate ones we haven't gotten to yet. And

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again I don't I don't think that it was anything

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that anyone did. It's just that it really blew up so,

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you know, maybe open some eyes up too.

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Well. I think that's the frustrating part though, Matt, is

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it opened it up and in doing so attracts a

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lot of positive and negative attention to the topic. Unfortunately,

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as it starts lumping in with some of the more

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crazy elements of this field, we start losing traction, right

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And I have to tell you, the loonies have come

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out of the bin and it's time to start putting

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them back in there. You know, I've always been respectful

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of the opinions, but my god, they're starting to get

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force full. And you know, this pseudo christian sasquatchery, and

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you have people out there now going and jumping on

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other people's productions to say if they're Christian enough. First

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of all, and I actually one thing is somebody that

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took a swipe at Strange Knox magazines that were affiliated

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with you know, who the hell gives you the right

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to judge anybody in their level of Christianity? And who

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the hell gives you the right to judge anybody and

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their level of credibility? First of all, look at that

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badge up in the corner of the show. I'd say

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twenty years right. If anybody is going to be a

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judge of anybody's credibility here, it's going to be me.

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And if you don't like it, click off and fuck off.

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I really don't have time for it. But what you're

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not going to do is come at me or come

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at anybody else that we're affiliated with. And you know, start,

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you know, who the hell do you think you are?

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And and again I talk about how things have really

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gone crazy, man, they have in three months. We stop

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pleasing ourselves because once again we go back to fighting

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over a sixty year old film that you know, whether

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it's real or not. I mean, And at this point,

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ladies and gentlemen, you know, that fight in itself is

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becoming embarrassing the Bigfoot community stearing each other apart over it.

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And we've kind of been neutral in that. And you know,

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I don't want to say it's because we don't care,

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but we don't care. I mean, it's it's never been

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the basis of our of our belief right. So we've

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got crazy pseudo Sasquatch Christians out there, you know, trying

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to do their righteous crusade. We've got Ohio Bigfoot flaps

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flopping up all over the place and pissing off the

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Ohio Bigfoot researchers. Which is a point, ladies and gentlemen,

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nobody really talked about, was the actual investigators that lived

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in Ohio. Why didn't any of them get the stories?

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Why didn't any of them get the reports? How the

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hell does it miss them? And they get blown up

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over a podcast. That's the question I have. And I

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guess maybe it's the way people take in information and

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the TikTok generation. But you know, it's just been it's

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the insanity. I've had enough, I really have. And you know,

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twenty years of doing this, we've seen them all. You know,

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these people are nothing compared to Eric Beckeard and the

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fruitcakes we fought back in the day. You know, guess

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what I won. He died. I won. I'm still here

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and I don't feel bad about that. He was a

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miserable prick, he really was, and he made a lot

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of people's lives miserable. But you know, when we start

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getting into you know, some of these things now where

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these it's really become character assassinations on fellow researchers. I've

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heard the term legacy Bigfoot crew, legacy Bigfoot researchers, celebrities,

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legacy Bigfoot grifters. I mean, can we all just be

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honest and call a spade a spade here? I think

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everybody in this business is trying to make a buck

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off it, right, We've not made a lot of bucks

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off it, but everybody's trying to make a buck off it.

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Does that make it a grift or does that make

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it entertainment? And what's the difference. I think with a grift,

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you tend to not get something for the money you

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know that you put out there, or you get a

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you get a TM version of what you were looking for, right,

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But I don't see that from a lot of the

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people going. You know, you've got folks running music, and

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is this all based on something that could be myth?

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And sure didn't stop the Greeks, didn't stop Disney from

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horn out hercules, did it? And so when you start

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looking at these myths and legends, what's it matter if

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people are turning in the stories and make it a

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little money off it. Now we're talking about the possibility

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of a biological primate here, and yeah, if we're trying

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to be scientific, makes it a little harder, But does

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it I don't know. I'm gonna stop talking for a

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little bit. There's a lot to digest for you three there,

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So go ahead, you guys, let me know who's going

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to go first.

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I'll jumping. So when it comes to the drifting or

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the money, I personally put out thousands of dollars for

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thermal cameras, for trash, for plaster, for DNA collection kits,

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game cameras. The list goes on and on gas just

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to to head up to our areas where it's almost

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four fifty eight gala now the other so and then

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even going to making money on this the Forest County

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Bigfoot Festival. They offer to pay me for the festival.

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What I did is I and I have to contract

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so I can verify it that money is going to

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the McKean County Child Effcstacy Center. I am paying my

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own way to go up there. I'm paying to have,

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you know, any brochures or any posters I have. Any

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money that's coming in is being donated to a good cause.

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And again with me working as a police officer dealing

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with child affaciacy centers all across the state, the McKean

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County actually helped me with with one specific case where

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we just put the guy in jail for three years.

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So with that being said, I am losing more money

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than anyone else and I am not going to sit

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there and when I hear people saying, oh you're you're

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making money, or oh you're doing this, take a look

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at take a look at how much money I spend

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and take a look at where that money's going. When

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we spoke last year, at the UH at Eric Aleman's group,

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I took my donation and gave that to the to

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the SPCA. So again, if we're using this as a grip,

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we're using it to donate to causes, or we're we're

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putting it to good use. Otherwise, like I said, everything's

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coming out of my pocket.

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Yeah, I mean that's a good thing. Even with the

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podcast here, you know, we donate more than we make

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every year through either Feed the Feed the Children Feeding America,

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the safe House. I mean, we put a lot of

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money back into the community. I make good money in

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what I do. I pay the bills for the show.

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The Patreon helps generate some of that little extra fun

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money we do. So we can you know, you know,

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buy a piece of equipment here, do something there. But

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for the most part, it's not self sustainable. I pay

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for it. Part of it is because we're really bad

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at promoting ourselves and uh. But but we do this

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because it is fun. It is a passion, and we

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like to give back to the communities we believe in.

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Now again, if it's a grift, it's a good grift, right.

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We're grifting for all the right reasons, And who the

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hell has someone else to tell someone how to spend

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their money. Yeah, and and honest to god, it's it

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gets a little contrite, but you know, really it this

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was even about that. That's just one talking point to it.

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But Henry, go ahead, We'll let you go, Bud.

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Well.

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As far as the whole controversity with capturing Bigfoot, the

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ptterison given, again, as you mentioned, we have say neutral

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on it. But but the thing is, we weren't there

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at this film site, so we don't know if the

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film is real or not, and who gives damn to

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the its.

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Or not?

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If we've had and if there are those of us

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who had experiences ourselves and had settings ourselves, then that

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is our number one point of contention. That's our number

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one thing that some sixty year old film.

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Now, Henry, you might take a little flak for that

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because you've really been involved in heavy on the Patterson

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film through the years, but you're open minded enough to say, hey,

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maybe we had been had And that's gonna suck for

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you because you know, when that news first came out,

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You're the first person I contacted and said, Henry, how

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you feeling you're okay about this? Because I knew you

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were personally invested in this in this film for a

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long time. Yeah, I was. There's some delay, folks, and

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we right around.

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Twenty twenty four, I started maintaining a neutral stance on it,

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and I figured I'm going to have a neutral stance

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on it, not it for or against it. So I

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figured that was the best way to go.

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And I think we do owe ourselves an opportunity to

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have to wait and watch this capturing Bigfoot documentary. And look,

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I've said it in the past. I've met Bob Gimlin,

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I've shaken hands without Giblon, I've had meals with Bob Gimlin.

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He invited me to come up and watch the fights

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with him. I you know, have nothing personal against Bob.

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I like Bob, but I love my grandfather too, and

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my grandfather had a great reputation and he could bullshit

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with the best of them. So there's always that part

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in my mind, and it's always been in the back

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of my mind that you know, maybe Bob just like Papa,

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he's been a good bullshitter and it's a potential, right,

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And I don't know, And sometimes, you know, the other

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position I take, and I've seen other people talk about

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it is when you start meeting people and talking to

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him and they start sharing their experiences with you, it

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makes you guilty and makes you not want to tell

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the truth. And if he had that potential years ago

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to do it, and the moment he started coming out

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and meeting people and talking to people, maybe felt that

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he'd hurt more people by saying it was that it wasn't.

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I don't know. See, I think the thing is is

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that you got to look at it this way, is

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how much flack did he take to how much he's

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getting for it, because honestly, minus the last twenty five years,

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maybe even fifteen years, he wasn't making any money. He

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wasn't making like signing autographs and going to to this

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place or that place or whatever. He was a guy.

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He was a guy who lived on the street that

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the parents go getting your vussos. He thinks he's free thing.

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But likewise, people weren't driving by his house throwing bricks

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through his windows either. You know, it's well, it's because

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he was different. I mean what he can't say that anyhow.

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Capturing Bigfoot, I think when it comes out, we needed

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to give it a watch. And I know that might

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upset some people because we're going to give money to

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the opposition, But isn't the opposition. We don't know that. Hell,

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I don't know where I'm at on this. And as

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much as I would like it to be real, there's

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a lot of things in life that I wish would

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be real. You know, my power Ball ticket would have

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been the winning number. There's a lot of things I wish.

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But in this world, guys, we wish in one hand

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and we shit the other and we see which one

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fills up first, right and right now we're in that

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full crumb of shit waiting to see which way it's

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going to drop. And I don't know. I think a

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lot of folks that I've talked to offline. I'm not

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going to give names because that's not my place. I've

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talked to a lot of people about this while we

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were off and there's a lot of division and a

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lot of split between it. But the thing that gets

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me the most is that everybody that's so caught up

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with it being real is just on the character of Bob,

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And in me, that's dangerous because there's always that potential

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of what if you know, they say, be careful when

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you meet your heroes, you only get set up for disappointment, right,

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But I don't part of me would love it, And god, folks,

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I hope I'm wrong, I really do. I hope this

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is a big nothing burger. I just don't know, and

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it puts you in an uncomfortable spot. Bat go ahead,

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you were going to say something.

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Yeah, and one thing is one side or the other.

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The Patterson Gimblin film is probably the most analyzed piece

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of footage, especially from you know people on our perspective

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in the last you know, fifty years once we started

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looking at it. Now we're taking in I know, I

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subscribed to Eric's YouTube and he sounds like, you're right,

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great but a great guy. But we're listening to one

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person who've viewed this movie. We need to see this

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movie all for ourselves. And then once we look at

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it and we see this infamous footage that needs to

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be looked at as much as and analyzed as much

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as the Patterson Gimblin film. If somebody's saying that I

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have something that will completely invalidate this, well, then that

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needs to reach that level of proof that the Patter

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Saint Gimlin film was holding.

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Up to well, listen if the film, if the suit

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was burnt. That's why we never got it right. But

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now has Scott Scott needle Lee, our good our good man,

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our friend, our best buddy, and the guy who was

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just at OBC over the weekend gave me a nice report.

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Thank you, Scott, you know, says what about the track

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cast from the site? You know, And honest to god,

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that's a that's a problem, right because if it is

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proven that it's a hoax, and that is going to

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put a lot of it And it disgusts me to

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say it a lot of disbelief on the work of

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folks like doctor Meldrum and you know, the others that

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have spent a lot of time looking at that. And

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I do think we have to get Daniel Perez back

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on to talk about this a little bit, because he's

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got that great book out on the Patterson Gimblin film.

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Uh.

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And you know, I have a lot of friends that

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are skeptics, and I think while there's been a great

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deal of excitement on that side of the fence, it's

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not as strong as I thought it would have been.

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And I think a lot of the infighting through the

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community has been a hell of a lot worse than

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what the skeptics have put out there. You know, the skeptics,

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all they get to do is say, oh, I told

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you so, I told you so. But you know, still

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there's nothing more than I told you so, because there's

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no until we all see it. And this is nothing

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against Eric from Harryman Road, and that poor guy's been

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getting the shit beat out of him verbally, and you know,

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to the point he's getting docked, and I don't know

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if anybody deserves that, you know, even if you know,

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he's coming forward and saying that you know what he

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saw and this is his belief. You know, when I

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watched his video it he came across as a guy

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that was bothered by what he saw, like part of

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his heart was broken. And that's something I think we

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all have to prepare for, you know, if you're a

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big proponent of that film, to have your heart broken.

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But the skeptic response was a little tamer than what

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I expected it to be. And the community, again, like

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I said, is just tearing itself apart. People fighting amongst

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each other and guys, I just to this point, I'm

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00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:29.279
staying on the fence until we see that documentary. And

458
00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:31.920
I've always been leaning towards the other way anyhow. It's

459
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:34.640
not that I don't like Bob, it's you know, it's

460
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:37.720
I've always been a little bit more towards the Hoak

461
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:45.319
side myself. So stuff impersonal. Any final thoughts on that

462
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.480
before we let Baker go at it with his cocaine hippos.

463
00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:52.279
The whole purpose why everybody tuned in tonight was cocaine

464
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:58.200
hippos in bread water beasts in bread water beasts. Boy,

465
00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:01.359
Jimmy trick, our good man me trick. Get on Facebook

466
00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:04.759
and follow Jimmy and once a week he throws the

467
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:09.559
trick shot up there and he makes a great beverage.

468
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:13.400
So follow him up, send him some uh, send him

469
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:15.599
some recipes. I like to see what he's making. And

470
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:18.240
as Scott's one final point before I do finally throw

471
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:20.759
it over to Baker again, some good commentary on the

472
00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:25.200
Ohio bigfoot flap during the OBC Speaker town hall on Sunday,

473
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:27.880
and Scott, you gave me a good breakdown on some

474
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:31.000
of that. And again I'm always leary folks about talking

475
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:33.759
about things I didn't attend, not because they don't trust Scott.

476
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:36.559
But because I didn't buy a ticket, so I don't

477
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:38.599
want to go out there, and you know, spoil for

478
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:40.920
everybody that did. But go ahead, Baker, You're in bread

479
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:44.039
water beasts aka cocaine hippos.

480
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:50.119
So we talk a lot about different things and ecological

481
00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:54.200
rangifications and things like that and how how you know

482
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:58.799
what's the possibilities. So I'm taking an existing story. So

483
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:04.160
this man, he was a drug dealer, Pablo Escobar. He

484
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:06.480
wasn't your standard drug dealer. He was he was on

485
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:09.000
the high level of the drug dealers. You know, there's

486
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:11.319
that guy that the smells on the courtner and that

487
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:12.319
there's Escobar.

488
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:13.000
Okay.

489
00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:15.799
So in the eighties he was like, you know what,

490
00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:19.039
I'd like to see some hippos. So he bought four

491
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:23.920
hippos Adam Trees burn Over from Columbia, one male, three females,

492
00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:28.680
and for some you know, around the nineties he had

493
00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:32.079
quite a few, and then of course he had some

494
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:34.400
of the delicious and made that he couldn't take care

495
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:36.920
of the zoo as much as he'd like to. And

496
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:44.480
as of two thousand and seven, there are at least

497
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:49.440
too there were at least two hundred of them Wow. Now,

498
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:53.200
the thin with the hippo is that that's one male,

499
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:59.799
three females within within twenty seven years, had you know

500
00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:02.680
how how many offspring. But the thing is is there's

501
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:08.039
no natural predators. And the hippo itself has an eight

502
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:11.440
months gestation. They have one, they have one cub or.

503
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.279
I don't know what they're called hip bat, we'll call it, okay,

504
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:19.920
little hippie, you know. Of course those little hippes talk

505
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:22.319
to you know, got with the other little hipp aes

506
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:24.359
and then made more little hippies. That's where I get

507
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:26.640
the idea in bread. That's why hippo's not a lot

508
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:29.640
of teeth. They're in bread, you know. But but the

509
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:34.319
fact is is like you had four hippos and if

510
00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:37.640
you left them alone, they turned into two hundred. They're

511
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:40.000
saying by twenty thirty five, that could be up to

512
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:44.119
a thousand of them. For Columbia. It's an ecological disaster

513
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:47.240
because there is no natural predator. They're eating everything they

514
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:49.519
can and I don't know, if you take the time

515
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:51.839
to read about hippo, they're not pleasant.

516
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:56.960
No, they're dangerous. They killed more people a year than sharks,

517
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:01.279
oh in lions. Yeah, they're there, you're a dangerous animal.

518
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:05.559
Uh like if you ever watched the movie Congo. Okay,

519
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:09.039
hippos are not cute. Okay, they'll rip three you with

520
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:11.079
a any trouble, and they don't care, and they eat

521
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:16.680
almost anything they can fine. And so my concept is

522
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:18.279
there is a lot of times we talk about the

523
00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:21.240
only people have only seen maybe one or two sasquash

524
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:26.720
or or some kind of other unchecked date, which I

525
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:29.319
know that some of you guys have followed my concepts

526
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:33.759
on the the the misplaced dates in the United States

527
00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:37.319
and in different countries like that. But to show you

528
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.359
what you want to to show you is is that

529
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:44.319
this man brought over four hippos and within twenty years

530
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:48.640
there were two hundred of them. Okay, with a limited

531
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:52.440
genetic gene pool, because it started with four you know,

532
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:56.720
and one daddy and three mamas, three baby mamas created

533
00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:59.960
two hundred other in bread hippos. They're in bread disipline,

534
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:01.359
all right.

535
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:05.240
So but we have a lot on that caveat yeah.

536
00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:07.720
Well you know, well, hey, but you know what you

537
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:13.640
talk about two hundred hippos coming from those four parents, uh,

538
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:16.000
you know, and to have two hundred of them from

539
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:21.119
that mutated polluted gene pools. Pretty remarkable because a lot

540
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:26.079
of times when you have that inbreeding, they don't survive. Well,

541
00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:28.400
that's the other thing is like, then you look at

542
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:30.839
the reces monkeys that are in the swamps and some

543
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:34.200
of the other places. You know, the herpes monkey wait,

544
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:36.839
you know, and that came from.

545
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:40.279
A few eights got together, you know, and and created

546
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:45.039
just massive colony. You have snakes and all kinds of animals.

547
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:47.839
And what I'm saying is is that I know that

548
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:50.720
we're kind of using this as a as a science space.

549
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:52.960
And what I wanted to bring this up was is

550
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:55.240
that a lot of people say, Okay, well I only

551
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:58.839
saw you know, I've only had three sightings in different areas.

552
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:01.240
You know, how can there be a pod of how many?

553
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:04.359
But if you look at four hippo with a gestation

554
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:07.880
period of eight months can create two hundred within twenty years.

555
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:11.239
These things have been around hundreds of years. How many

556
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:14.440
would be around even if you at a small base

557
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:19.760
in the beginning, you know. And so it's up uh huh.

558
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:21.760
So that's a fair question, and.

559
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:24.119
It it brings to the point, is a lot of

560
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:27.559
people pieces monkey cups.

561
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:28.599
Yeah, you don't want that.

562
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:32.599
It's her piece, Okay, look it up, trust me, Okay.

563
00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:36.360
But like there's a lot of people like this, these

564
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:38.800
people from what I think, there's a high end guy

565
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:41.599
wants to buy eighty of them from them and get

566
00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:43.719
them transport. It's still not going to do anything because

567
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:47.079
there's two hundred of them, you know. Now you look

568
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:50.679
at you look at that same concept on let's say

569
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:54.920
we based sasquatch off an epe, right, anybody disagree with that,

570
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:56.239
like an eight lan like form.

571
00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:01.519
HI think on this on this diaceis I mean minus

572
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:03.880
the people will believe it's an ethereal creature and blah

573
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:04.320
blah blah.

574
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:06.079
And you know what if it's an ethereal creature that

575
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:08.519
it might pop out six at a time, or might

576
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:11.679
eat an extra carrot and have twelve who knows, you know.

577
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:14.719
But if you think of an ape, an ape has

578
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:19.119
the same eighth months, you know, it creates one ape

579
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:21.760
at a time, So you wouldn't meet with a small

580
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:25.559
genetic base. You could still have hundreds of these things

581
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:30.679
wandering around. It was my thought, I kind of like,

582
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:32.400
you know, I kind of was reading the thing about

583
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:34.840
the hippop the same problem that Kenna is having with

584
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:38.880
the uh, the pigs they had. They had brought in

585
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:42.079
pigs for a specific reason. They got out and now

586
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:45.679
they're a horrendous ecological disaster because they don't have any

587
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:50.519
natural prod. No wolf is going after a hippo, you know,

588
00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:54.559
No jaguarars aren't jumping on top of them and hoping. Okay,

589
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:57.800
you know, so, like I just I wanted to bring

590
00:35:57.840 --> 00:35:59.920
that up, and I just wanted your guys have thought,

591
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:03.559
you know, populate, you know, how how the population could

592
00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:07.039
be for these the animal we don't know exists, by

593
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:10.440
using an animal that we do know exists and is flourishing.

594
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:14.599
Matt, I'll let you go first.

595
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:17.679
I'm trying to make that I'm trying to think of

596
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:21.920
something that's the least controversial thing to say.

597
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:27.840
I've said in bread like six times. You're safe, dude. Yeah, yeah,

598
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:32.320
but no, I mean it goes deeper. There's I guess

599
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:42.519
in historical times, their cousins, first cousins, second cousins, becoming

600
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:49.159
spouses and having children were more common, especially in smaller areas.

601
00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:55.599
And yeah, yeah, and to this day there's still people

602
00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:04.039
that do that. I know with certain animals there's different

603
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:10.880
ways that they protect their genetics. So if it's a deer,

604
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:17.039
the bucks will drive off the the young the young

605
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:21.559
deer to keep them away from from certain females, including

606
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:25.079
the mother. There's other ones that they know by scent

607
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:29.960
that it's a family, that it's a sibling or.

608
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:36.079
Or an immediate family member, and they're going to be

609
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:40.039
directed away from doing any sort of breeding with that.

610
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:44.239
But that may not include when you go branch into

611
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:47.159
the out of the family tree, the immediate family tree

612
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:55.519
into secondary in in chtiary relations. So you know, it's

613
00:37:55.920 --> 00:38:01.239
kind of disgusting, but it's happened like that for you know,

614
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:10.719
probably until the seventeen hundreds. So I had to throw

615
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:12.960
that comment in there, Matt, I know I know how

616
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:13.880
to throw that in there.

617
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:16.679
But you know, when Baker you were talking about that,

618
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:21.679
I started going down into see how could what's natural?

619
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:28.159
What what natural? What is great ape reproduction and cycle like? Right, So,

620
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.480
chimps give a birth to an average of three to

621
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:36.000
six babies in their lifetime. They reach sexual maturity at

622
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:38.519
thirteen years old, and they lived to about forty or

623
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:43.360
sixty years old. Right. Gorillas have about two to six babies.

624
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:47.199
They reach maturity at ten years old. They lived till

625
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:50.000
are about fifty or sixty. But what's interesting about gorillas

626
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:52.400
is that they take usually three to four years off

627
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:56.159
in between of having babies, so their growth rate is

628
00:38:56.199 --> 00:38:59.599
slower because they're not reproducing as fast. And it's the

629
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:03.079
same with the rangutans. Or rangutans give birth to three

630
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:05.719
to four in their lifetime, but they have like the

631
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:10.360
longest birthing interval of apes of six to nine years

632
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:16.320
in between their babies, and they hit fourteen at sexual

633
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:18.639
maturity and they lived to about forty or forty five.

634
00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:22.760
So I think the reproduction rate may be slower than

635
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:28.360
the hippopotamuses. But if we could take that and let's

636
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:33.480
say a sasquatch maybe has let's say five babies in

637
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:38.760
their lifetime and they hit maturity at thirteen, I mean

638
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:42.159
maybe they take a longer birthing interval as well in

639
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:46.880
between those. I don't know. Forrest Floor or our friend

640
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:51.679
Emily put out an interesting post on Instagram the other

641
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:56.079
day about sasquatch families. You know, we go back to

642
00:39:56.119 --> 00:40:01.719
the sasquatch family structure. Albert Osmo right, he was captured

643
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:05.599
at the Toba Inlet and held captive by the Sasquatch family.

644
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:09.559
He kind of gives a story of the dynamic of

645
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:12.800
the kids, the mom, the old man gives them some snuff,

646
00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:16.119
makes him sick and gets the hell out of Dodge.

647
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:19.880
And I think that's probably the first story we have, Henry,

648
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.400
you can correct me if I'm wrong on kind of

649
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:30.559
a Sasquatch family structure. But then through the years, go ahead, Yeah,

650
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:31.440
but then through.

651
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:37.119
The correct as far as I know, that's that's the

652
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:40.239
first time we ever heard about that, right.

653
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:43.719
And then through the years we get citing reports of

654
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:49.559
what we consider juvenile sasquatch or you know sasquatch. Hell,

655
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:55.280
there's been stories of people you know, being shown sasquatch

656
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:58.679
infants and you know, bearing bigfoot babies and all other

657
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:03.840
kinds of horseshit over the years. But there's some pretty

658
00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:07.519
interesting stories out there, nonetheless, whether I consider them horsecrap

659
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:11.840
or not, right, that have been out there so we

660
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:16.760
could take a look at the great apes themselves. And

661
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:20.079
I think part of the population issue with gorillas, and

662
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:24.559
they're why they still may be endangered is that low interval,

663
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:28.119
that long interval between birthing cycles, right, and they don't

664
00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:33.920
really you know how does that you know, when I

665
00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:36.039
and I get my gears going to think how that

666
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:39.119
relates back to the Sasquatch. You know, Baker, you talk

667
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:42.039
about how you know the population explodes with just a

668
00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:45.599
small number. We don't know how many there are. And

669
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:48.840
even if that number is that started off with four

670
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:51.199
and went to two hundred, if we started off with

671
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:54.719
two hundred and that went to eight hundred, that's still

672
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:59.559
quite a few Sasquatch for something that doesn't not supposed

673
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:02.039
to exist. And this that number grows over the years.

674
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:05.119
So let's say even if it grows at half the rate,

675
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.880
you know, you're still looking at a sizable population in

676
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:14.199
North America. And does that correlate with the amount of

677
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:16.920
sightings that we have here over year? I don't know.

678
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:19.519
This is where we really got a bag one and study, right,

679
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:23.519
We really have to get the study going, and I

680
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:25.960
think we have to do more, you know, going into

681
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.840
some of these reports and looking at that data. Matt

682
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:35.639
with the Bigfoot citing reports, juvenile activities, so on and

683
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:37.400
so forth. Yeah.

684
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.480
And another another point too is you brought a birth rates,

685
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:42.480
but we also have to look at death rates as well,

686
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:49.920
because if they have a shortened lifespan and you have

687
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:56.159
just a certain amount of replacements species, it's going to

688
00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:59.280
maintain that that smaller population.

689
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:05.760
Animals in general, like birds and some other animals that

690
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:09.480
maybe even squirrels that may only live a couple of years.

691
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:11.880
Now with squirrels and rodents, the problem is when they

692
00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:14.039
have a birth, they have six of them, you know,

693
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:16.280
mice only have you know, they might only look a

694
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:18.880
year and a half if they have nine babies, you know,

695
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:22.800
or more. But the fact is that their thrive to

696
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:27.719
make more is usually more active because not that they

697
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:29.440
know they're going to die in three years, but they

698
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:31.760
just there's something in them that says, I got.

699
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:32.119
To make more.

700
00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:34.960
I got to make more, you know, compared to you know,

701
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:39.360
thirty five year old sasquatch. That's you know, my thirty

702
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:42.480
five year old sasquatch or some other creature that goes heh,

703
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:45.519
you know as bad as that time We don't, you know.

704
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:49.800
But these animals are just you know, every spring, it's

705
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:54.639
now if you if you had a mouse and it's

706
00:43:54.639 --> 00:44:00.480
only reproducing similar to scale down to the popular of

707
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:06.519
great apes or or humans, you wouldn't see, you know.

708
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:10.800
It. They'd be such an irrelevant species.

709
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:15.400
Right right, And that's the sigmal to mice even because

710
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:19.119
it only takes one or two mice to create a colony,

711
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:22.800
and the coloning can grow to a point of you know, massive.

712
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:28.519
And at the same point, if you have that colony

713
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:30.840
and it's and it starts by by a male and

714
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:35.639
a female mouse and they're they're having nine offspring every cycle,

715
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:42.280
eventually some of those offspring are reproducing with you know,

716
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:44.800
other offspring from those same parentage.

717
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:49.000
That's a question if that was ask about animals, Like,

718
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:54.199
I'm not I'm not a biologist or animal I can't

719
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:57.719
think of the word amphogists, blah blah blah. You know,

720
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:00.599
I don't look at the mating of animals. Well there

721
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:04.400
wasn't one video, but that was completely different. But but

722
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:06.920
the thing is, like you got to realize is that

723
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:11.119
they don't develop the same way. See humans, like you

724
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:13.880
were talking about the inbreeding of the eighteen hundreds and

725
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:17.119
the royal families and things like that, where they started

726
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:20.159
to leave the chin and they started to have brain defects.

727
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:25.079
Animals don't work the same way on the cognitive level,

728
00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:28.480
you know, so in a way, some of the things

729
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:32.920
that would make humans insane or wrong or whatever. After

730
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:36.480
two or three generations of inbringing may not even affect

731
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:41.239
an amb Hence my point of you know, one daddy

732
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:43.880
and three baby mamas created two hundred and there'll be

733
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:47.280
a thousand. They didn't introduce more hippos. I don't think

734
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:49.280
pabably did that from jail, like, hey, we need to

735
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:51.199
mail in some more hippos because you know, Bob's been

736
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:53.360
sleeping those same three chicks for six years.

737
00:45:53.639 --> 00:46:00.760
Yeah, you seem to be pretty intimately involved in this process, James.

738
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:04.039
Were you the ones that brought the hippos into m

739
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:10.320
Were you the like choke god hippos smuggler the hippos?

740
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:17.800
And you know what's fascinating about the whole thing is, uh,

741
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:20.320
did he bring them over to use them for anything

742
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:22.639
other than just a sign of his wealth? Like was

743
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.719
he using them like pigs, you know, you throw people

744
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:27.920
in there and feed them people or was it just

745
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:29.559
for his vanity?

746
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:35.199
Well, yeah, they said that hippos can strip down a body,

747
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:38.039
and they did, were killing some fishermen. But the fact

748
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:41.159
is that he had he had a little micro zoo

749
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:44.320
that he used, you know, and he had different kinds

750
00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:46.679
of animals. But the hippos were the ones that really

751
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.679
escaped and had problems with I don't know, maybe, and

752
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:52.199
I might be wrong because the article really didn't explain it.

753
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:52.440
Well.

754
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:56.960
He might have brought in samples from other hippos to

755
00:46:57.079 --> 00:46:59.920
diversify the whatever. But the way I understand it is

756
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:03.000
he didn't have those hippos very long until the government

757
00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:06.079
decided that his particular job wasn't needed.

758
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:10.159
Yea, And now listen, this show was not to advertise

759
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:14.440
the upcoming movie Hungry, which is about a killer hippopotamus,

760
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:18.519
but if you're so inclined, in June June twenty third,

761
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:26.960
Hungry will be released to audiences nationwide. Hungry Hungry hipp

762
00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:30.639
does Walt Disney movie based on is bullshit either, No,

763
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:36.840
it's a horror movie called Hungry. That's fantastic there. Yeah,

764
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:41.280
we're gonna take a look. We'll watch that one. So Henry,

765
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:45.760
any any insight you'd like to offer thoughts from you?

766
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:53.239
And you know, well, I don't have any hippo in

767
00:47:53.360 --> 00:48:00.920
breeding thoughts. But as far as sadsquoting, free go ahead,

768
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:02.719
Henry it with Baker hot stuff alung.

769
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:11.760
As far as sensquatch even breeding thoughts, there is always

770
00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:17.000
possibility that the reason that we have three and four

771
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:22.400
toed foot prints is because of the inbreeding. What is

772
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:24.800
the when is the bug crank moster? But it's the

773
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:28.400
hell out of the swamp mooster both have three toes

774
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:29.199
of each bullet.

775
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:33.679
Yeah, I mean that's always been a part of conversation

776
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:38.639
as well as some of the aggressiveness was always you know,

777
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:44.599
also attributed to, you know, potential some inbreeding defect and

778
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:50.239
you know, not that we're you know, trying to sensationalize

779
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:53.480
those the stories, but those are things have always been

780
00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:58.639
talked about over the years as potential reasons, you know, aggressiveness.

781
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:01.639
Is that why there's white bigfoot? You know, the albino

782
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:06.480
bigfoot sightings, the white haired colored creatures, genetic disparages, right,

783
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:12.119
they could all be attributed to a lack of genetic diversity.

784
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:19.039
Perhaps I can't take him anywhere, folks, James Baker, he's

785
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:19.639
here all week.

786
00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:21.880
I'm sorry, Henry.

787
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:27.199
It's different being back. I'll say that for the last

788
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:29.599
three months we've not really done this. So we're still

789
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:32.840
trying to swim our way back to salvation here and

790
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:34.679
we've had a lot to talk about. We could probably

791
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:36.719
go on for hours, but I think the cliff notes

792
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:40.000
versions of some of these topics are better left touched

793
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:41.840
when we go more in depth on each and every

794
00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:45.880
one of them. Matt, we haven't really gotten any sightings

795
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:47.960
lately since the beginning of the year. I think we've

796
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:48.559
had a couple.

797
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:57.840
We had some in the fall, and we actually had

798
00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:02.039
a really good report work come in from a reliable

799
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:08.199
witness right on the outer boundary of our research area.

800
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:11.199
And I'll tell you it's a big area. It's a

801
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:16.320
wild area to Hammersley Fork area. This is also just

802
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:20.880
north of State College where you know, last last spring

803
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:25.559
and into the summer there was two Class A sidings

804
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:30.440
in that area. But as for now, I've been talking

805
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:35.000
to a person who has had some experiences vocalizations and

806
00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:40.320
such out on the near the Appalachian Trail, and I've

807
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:44.920
been following up with that person. But as for anything else,

808
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:48.000
there has been a lot of people out in the woods.

809
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:52.079
We just started falling or spring turkey season, so I

810
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:54.639
think with that we're going to start seeing more and

811
00:50:54.679 --> 00:51:00.119
more reports come in into the summertime. But compare the

812
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:05.199
last year, it's been you know, fairly fairly late.

813
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:09.400
Yeah, no flat for us this year aside from that

814
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:12.800
little snap food and around Penn State. And honestly, Matt,

815
00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:15.440
we're still on the fence about that. Yes, we got

816
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:17.559
kind of burnt on that one, ladies and gentlemen, Matt

817
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:19.599
and I and I don't know if he and I

818
00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:21.239
have really reconciled where we're at with it.

819
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:26.280
No, And and again, that was when we were talking

820
00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:30.320
about the Ohio Bigfoot flap. We talked to the witness,

821
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:33.320
we were going out there the very next weekend, and

822
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:37.920
then literally a day later, it's blasted on BFRO with

823
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:42.199
the exact same tree where this guy was hiding from.

824
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:46.000
You can look behind this tree and search for any evidence.

825
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:47.519
Everyone go out.

826
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:50.599
There and next thing, you know, a good friend of

827
00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:54.800
mine told me that every every parking lot, every trailhead

828
00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:58.239
was packed for about a month afterwards. People were going

829
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:00.920
out there and knocking on the trees and doing their hows,

830
00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:04.960
and whatever was out it was in there had long gone.

831
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:09.199
Yeah, it doesn't help. Fuck No, I don't blame it.

832
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:13.280
And that's the problem. You know, too many people mark

833
00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:15.840
up these areas. It's the same with Ohio. When I

834
00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:18.360
was talking to Mike Hartman about going out and checking

835
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:21.639
out some of those Mike went out previously, he and

836
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:24.320
I having a conversation about it, and the same thing.

837
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:26.960
All the areas you would want to go to to investigate,

838
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:30.199
we're all full of people that you know, curiosity kills

839
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:34.199
the cat. It also kills your research. Yes, so again, folks,

840
00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:36.559
be smart about what you're talking about, where you're putting

841
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:39.519
it and it has you know. Yes, some of these

842
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:41.719
things may be good for ratings. I understand that, but

843
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:45.719
they're not great for research. And when you're us, we

844
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:49.679
balance that doesn't mean we're better than anybody else. I'm

845
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:52.760
not throwing any shade at anybody. I'm just saying for us,

846
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:55.360
it's still a good amount about research. And the podcast

847
00:52:55.440 --> 00:53:00.039
is our outlet right for our entertaining outlet, but a

848
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:03.079
lot of it. We still need these these reports to

849
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:05.320
come in and you could do that, folks. Sasquatch Experience

850
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:07.719
dot com, go to our Facebook reporters. This actually our

851
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:11.360
website is down. It'll be coming back up in the

852
00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:12.960
next couple of weeks. I got a lot of things

853
00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:14.800
I'm doing with it. I was we were on pod

854
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:17.880
page for a while, but I don't know. It wasn't

855
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:21.960
the userist friendly site, so as we migrate over to

856
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:26.039
another source, uh you know, Facebook, Facebook, dot Com, forward

857
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:29.480
slash Sasquatch experience. Any final thoughts for you gentlemen the

858
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:30.599
night before I wrap us up.

859
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:35.400
Yeah, really quick with me.

860
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:37.320
I I just want to give I want to give

861
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:44.239
a huge shout out. Oh so I want to give

862
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:47.159
you give a huge shout out to my friends out

863
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:50.920
like Chris Fencer and those guys at Study Sasquatch.

864
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:56.079
Uh follow their YouTube page or they're on Facebook, Twitter

865
00:53:56.119 --> 00:53:59.840
as well. X. But they've been doing a lot of

866
00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:06.360
live uh investigations where they're they're going up over the

867
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:10.599
weekends bringing a drone out over the over their research

868
00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:15.280
area with the Olympic Pollins Peninsula. Uh. They are in fantastic,

869
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:21.079
fantastic group of researchers. Do everything very structured. Uh they

870
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:25.400
have and they'll show you with from thermals and from

871
00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:28.079
from game cameras this is what we're getting. And they're

872
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:30.440
honest about it. You know, Hey, we're we're we got

873
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:33.599
an elk or we got a uh you know, a

874
00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:37.360
bear coming through it. Uh. They're not you know, fluffing

875
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:40.800
anything up. They're giving you the real deal on on

876
00:54:41.480 --> 00:54:43.719
how we we go out doing this research and like

877
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:48.239
I said, just a wonderful, wonderful group of guys there.

878
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:50.960
You having a little publicity for our friends up there.

879
00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:53.239
Go ahead, Henry, you were going to say something, and

880
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:54.559
I'll let you take us out.

881
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:00.000
Well as far as the whole capturing.

882
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:01.679
From what I just.

883
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:09.760
Than, there's gonna be something announcements coming up about that.

884
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:12.519
We'll be soon, maybe this summer.

885
00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:18.199
Yeah, definitely, Henry. We have to get some some eyes

886
00:55:18.239 --> 00:55:20.679
on that before we can go ahead and go further

887
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:26.280
with it, right, exactly, all right, Henry, take us out

888
00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:29.960
with those dulcet tones. Yeah, I'll be good.

889
00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:31.199
It'd be good at it.

890
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:34.639
Folks, Thanks for listening, being patient with us again, like

891
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:36.679
a fine wine. We'll get better the more we get

892
00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:40.519
out there. And uh, we'll see you in two weeks

893
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:48.079
with another episode. Keep on squatching. Everybody ingin you've been

894
00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:52.440
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895
00:55:52.519 --> 00:56:00.519
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896
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