March 22, 2026

EP 140: Jay Bachochin

EP 140: Jay Bachochin
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Season 12

Explore the Kettle Morraine with Wisconsin Researcher Jay Bachochin and the Sasquatch Experience Crew!

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Using opinions expressed by the guests that Sasquatch Experience do

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affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener discretion is advised.

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We got some one or something crawling around out her.

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See what it was? Was it a person or an animal?

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Or I can't go.

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I know that my underweight came on and I did

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that with a glimp.

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The thing running across.

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The yard a goodbye man or company.

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Woked by the man. I don't know what it was.

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Back in two thousand and five, we set out with

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one goal to give voice to the mystery and those

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who pursue it. Sasquatch Experience Podcast has been your go

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to source for serious Bigfoot discussion, where we separate fact

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from folklore. Always grounded in research and respect. We've interviewed

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eyewitnesses experts since to the like because understanding Bigfoot isn't

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just about belief, It's about the journey. Nearly two decades later,

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we're still chasing shadows and sharing stories. The search never stopped.

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Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience.

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Hello, get somebody out here.

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Well and good evening.

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Everyone, Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience for Monday. I've been

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worried at sixteen, twenty twenty six. It is President's Day, right,

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it is the federal holiday that if you're a banker

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or a government employee, got to enjoy and hopefully that

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sets you up for a good time to be here

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with us tonight on the Sasquatch Experience. I'm sewn the

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fortune out Forker. That's Van James Baker is right underneath

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and tonight's guest filmmaker, an investigator who has spent the

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last decade deep in the woods of the Kettle Moraine.

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He is the creator of the Finding Jay documentary series,

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a researcher of the Wisconsin Sasquatch, and a man who

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believes that to find the truth, you have to stop

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looking and start listening. Our guest tonight, welcome our friend

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Jay Bachochin. Jay, thanks for stopping by Sasquatch Experience this week.

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Well, thank you guys for having me on special.

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Hello to everybody there.

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Sean Dance and even Baker who won everything less.

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I know the luckiest I know he's going to go

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into the Old Don Tribe. Okay, okay, Okay, so.

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You had a lucky rabbit swoot.

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I'm an even guy.

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Okay, So like I want, I want some money, and.

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My roof broke and it just about covered what they

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needed for the route.

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Okay, that's a personal problem thing.

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So tonight is not a home improvement show. We are

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catching up with our buddy Jay. The last time we

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were all together was at the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Camping Weekend,

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which was a great time. Always a great time done

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and Ben and Meadow is raising some money for some

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good causes and just having fun being with our friends.

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These things are really like a family reunion when you

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get a chance to get to them. It's such a

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great camaraderie that shared between the group of researchers and Jay.

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It's been years since we've been we've been friends. I mean,

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we go all the way back to having you on

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Beyond the Edge Radio. Absolutely, the bio said ten years,

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but I think it's been a little longer than that

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that you've been exploring some of these strange and bizarre topic.

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Yes, since about twenty thirteen, so right, yeah, well thirteen

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years now, right, yeh yeah, yeah, thirteen years now, so over.

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Right, and you have a unique approach, and we'll talk

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about that in just a couple of minutes. Before we

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dove in, though, did we have any news or we

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needed to hit before we got this started. I jumped

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right into the interview, which is unusual for me normally.

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I like, all right, giving some consideration to others.

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Look, this happened very often, Jay Listen, I asked for

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one hour a week from these guys. Okay, one hour

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every other week, and so all great, guys, you do.

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So what's on your minds, gentlemen? Before we get started

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and we start rilling Jay, which is a new document

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for coming up. Go ahead, James.

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And this spring, Lauren Coleman is finishing up his new

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Bigfoot Museum.

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They have moved, they are updating the building.

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I know that if you go on to his web,

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you go on to his Facebook or the museum's Facebook,

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they'll give you dates and things like that.

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Man Fork are trying to get out.

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There and the fall.

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But just if you get a chance to go up

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to see it. We saw that the old location. It

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was amazing. So you know, when he's got more square footage,

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it's going to be that much better. Yeah, we really

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didn't have a great time when we went up to Portland.

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I mean, aside from all the seafood we could eat

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even coming from the sky, thank these eagles. We went

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to the International cryptis Vality Museum in Thompson's Point and

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you know, it was nice. As we went in there,

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I think it was Nate that was working the desk,

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Nate Breslin, and recognized James and I and he called

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Lauren and Louren was not even in the building, but

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got in his vehicle and drove to us and gave

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us the personal tour of the museum, which was just

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a great time. And there are things that he pulled

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out of storage for me to look at that weren't

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even on display because we got to take pictures. Yeah,

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I mean, we've been in this for so long. It

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was great to spend the time of Louren and to

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speed the collection, which, like Baker said, I can only

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imagine how much more this new place is going to

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be filled up, because he had that old place pretty

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much packed in. And you get a chance to folks,

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get a chance. It's going to be in bangor Maine, right, James,

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It's not in Portland. It's going to be right moved

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to bangor right and get a chance to get up

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there and see it.

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Bacon.

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I plan on going at least at some point this year,

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So that's going to be a great time. We've got

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some great folks in the chat to tonight Man already

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lighting it up. We've got our good friend Scott got

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buddy you, our executive producer Brian Corbyn. Always good to

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have the boss in the house. Let's see here, James

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Baker Jay in Silent Bigfoot. That's that's the next that's

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the next day. Yeah, that should be your thing.

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Next thing.

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We've got Mysstic seven seventh of the seventh, Hey, Mystic

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caw are you? And Kim? Always good to have our

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friend Kim in the chat. And Ricky Cherby someone else

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we've got to get in the show. When he's done

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renovating that house. We've got to get him on the program.

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It's the church, yay.

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Yeah.

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Always I stay up to date on what you guys

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are up to. We might not talk every day, but

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I could keep my finger on the pulse.

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Well that's what it's all about.

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Stay in touch, you know it is. So now that

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we've got the advance, did you have anything.

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You know what, Jay, it dawned on me today that

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it was pretty close to ten years ago that you

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and myself went out to the Kettle Moraine. Yeah. I

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was like, no, that was two months ago. But the

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older we get, you know, the first of the time

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span gets, that was almost ten years ago, I'm like,

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come on, man, stop it. It was that. That was insane.

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But yeah, we had an amazing time going out there,

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and we had some really weird experiences happened to us,

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and they'll stick with us. And fortunately for Jay and myself,

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we were able to sit with Shannon on ITF radio

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or into the Fray Radio and we did an interview

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of all the weird entities that happened to us when

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we were in the Kettle Moraine. But yeah, they stick

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to me like this just happened a couple of weeks ago,

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and I just I'm sorry, but really it was that

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long ago. It doesn't seem like it.

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But we have established we have in years we haven't

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we have an aged I mean it's awesome.

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No, not at all, you have, not at all. I agree,

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it's been like this. Yeah, we know since birth.

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We understand I've been I was fatter, but yeah, that

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was it.

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Yeah?

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Anyhow, okay, you're getting this kicked off on the right foot.

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Jay.

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Uh.

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You know a question we always asked for folks that

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may not be familiar with you. How about tell did

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you get started? And almost? You know, it's not a

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not everybody becomes a bigfoot research or a paranormal investigator.

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You know.

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Some people become great bowlers, some people become athletes. You

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took the trip and became a weirdo like the rest

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of us. How did it happen?

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Well, it all began in nineteen sixty seven. No, hey,

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I'll tell you what though. It all started probably ten

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years after that, my hometown in Lyndenhurst, Illinois, just being

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able to see my mom taking my sister home from

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a school of enters. Someone was a Friday night. I

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remember my sister was a year and a half older

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than I am. Comes to the house thing.

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We're being invaded. We're being invaded.

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It's about ten o'clock at night, and of course we

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all go out there, my other two brothers, and we're

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watching whatever this thing is in the sky. I would

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classify as my first UFO sighting. It was low, it

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was spinning, but the biggest thing was the movement is

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that as soon as it started spinning, it was like hovering.

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You would blink out and be across the sky instantly,

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I mean boom. So you know, you think of drones

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of today and that nothing could move that fast. But

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I think that's really what kind of started it because

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my grandfather, who was kind of in the early chapters

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of move On in Chicago, we had a lot to

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talk about when I was a ten year old kid,

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you know, And I think I've always done that because

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I've always was I was that pasty young kid down

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in the basement during the summer, waiting for God's Dilla

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to battle King Kong and black and white or color

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the feature. So I was always into the not just paranormal,

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but supernatural, and of course you know that gets into

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the eighties you had the Ghostbusters who didn't want to

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bust the ghost and wear a proton pac and kind

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of investigate around. So I've always had that knack of well,

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even back then, I didn't really call it finding your truth,

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but I was looking for my own truth and being

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influenced a lot by movies television going into the early

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two thousand with Paps Ghost Hunters the only paranormal show

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that was on at that time, and it just so

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happened to be at a time where I looked at

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reality TV of saying is this real? I mean it

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seemed real. I mean it pulled me in, but I

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really wanted to know. And that's when we've formed our

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own group in early two thousand and seven, Wisconsin Paranormal Investigators,

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and we did. We got a website going. I mean,

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it seemed like we're the first ones on the block

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besides you know big and I know people have been

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doing that, but we started getting hits of you know,

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come in check out our house or you know, we

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didn't do the plugin police. We did start out in cemeteries,

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but you know, we moved into like people's houses or

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businesses to investigate them, and just a lot of stuff

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caught over, you know, over those years with some EVPs

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didn't really know orbs. You know, it could be dust,

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it could be bugs, a lot of things. So it's

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more those experiences which now leads me into the Kennedy

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end of the paranormal group where I started. I friended

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Linda Godfrey early twenty eleven at a Chicago ghost conference seven,

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I think it was, and I was able to friend

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her and I really was interested in the beast of

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which Bray Road is just literally a fifteen minute drive

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for my driveway, just a little bit up north. I'm

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there and that's when I started kind of just what

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I call patrolling, because you can't get out out of

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you know, your car. It's all privately owned farm land,

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so you know you can drive it's a public road.

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But at the same time, I did a lot of patrolling.

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Some of this patrolling led me up to the Kettle

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Moraine one evening and I remember who I was with,

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and it was about nine o'clock at night and I

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Crisp October evening. We get out of the car, got

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a crappy night vision camcorder, digital tape, and right there

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and we caught something that I'll never say. I'm an

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outback jack, I'm not a tracker. I'm not an experienced woodsman.

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I have been.

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I started getting a lot better, and I'm still learning

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as I go now. But we caught something that just

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blew my mind. And it didn't sound canine. It sounded

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more of a primate or a simon, but also it

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sounded like a person. It was kind of a mixture

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of things. Is that because I'm constantly searching for my

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truth that intrigued me. That's what pulled me in to

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the world of Bigfoot. And this whole time did I

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even mention that I even believed in Bigfoot. I've seen

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that the Mysterious Monsters movie in the seventies, and I thought, Patty,

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come on, that's a guy in a suit walking away.

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That was That's how I've been the whole time, seeing

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Harry and the Henderson's in the eighties. Again, guy in

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a suit, just like Chewbacca.

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You know.

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So this is just kind of the way I perceived Bigfoot,

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and everybody was a Bigfoot researcher getting there finding Bigfoot

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during that time. And still where's the evidence? You know,

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I mean people are pulling up casts, whoop bee do,

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where's the body? Where's that evidence that we're looking for?

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That after hearing those those calls in October of twenty thirteen,

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really really pulled me into the woods. So in the

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long and short of it, that's how I kind of

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got into that.

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No, I mean, I think it's a great overview. You know,

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you talk about you know, your grandfather leading an early

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chapter of Move On. You know, I kind of got

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I don't want to say indoctrinated, but kind of drawn

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into this by familial connections as well, right, And it

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was always the place did you find that growing up?

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Was that something that was kind of cultivated with you, Jay,

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that you had this ability and these resources to go

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to to talk about these strange things or was it

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still kind of a kind of a kept quiet conversation.

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You know what, I'm sure my brothers and sister and

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everybody I know just thinks I'm that person. No, I

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really didn't. I really didn't have that outlet to speak

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about except when I was with my grandfather, and I

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mean he would share with me everything that he has

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been investigating since the fifties. So there was that immediate

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connection with you know, grandson and you know grandfather, and

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that kind of helped me along. And I guess just

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throughout my life is journey, you know, I am running

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into people that share the same passion I think that

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I say, think outside the box, not that we're crazy,

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but just give it a second, just just to understand.

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That are we the crazy ones? So I guess that's

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a larger question.

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I mean yeah, we're crazy. Just leave it at that.

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I don't know, lately, all these people that have all

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these crazy ideas and conspiracy theories, they're.

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Starting to check out. How about it?

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Right?

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And you know we've talked about that over the years,

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these folks that, you know, we just look at the

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and I know we focused predominantly on Bigfoot, Jay and guys.

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But when you look at the EUAP phenomena, right UFOs

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to us, right vant in to make that sure, there's

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still UFOs to me. And you know, we wouldn't be

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having these Senate hearings and these congressional hearings on this

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topics ten years ago, fifteen years ago. You know, finally

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some of these things are starting to pop up and

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become mainstream. And why would we not see that with

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something such as the Sasquatch? And I think maybe, you know,

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this is just a subject of conversation. We could take

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this as we want to, just a bottom having that

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we kind of think the concept of an eight running

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around the forest of North America is silly. Stranger things

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have happened, I guess, right. I mean I don't find

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it that silly, but you know, Jay, you kind of

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look at this from all directions, and I think if

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one of the things I appreciate you keep calling it

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searching for your truth, and you know you look at

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the Bigfoot mystery with a different lens. Where are you

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at with Bigfoot? And what legend there?

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Okay, well, I mean I basically started off, and if

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you see my first documentary, this really gets deep into

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my search. Right after I hear those calls and going

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back J, folks, what's up finding J? Right, my first

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documentary finding J. And again it was not a narcissistic

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thing saying hey, it's my documentary. I'm gonna call finding Jay.

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You know, I always said, you know, after a couple

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of years of doing this, I realized that I don't

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think I will ever find Bigfoot, but I think Bigfoot

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will find me. Thus finding J. It could be finding Sean,

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finding Dvance, finding Baker with all these but when I

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first started, but when I first started approaching this, of course,

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you know, I'm influenced by other writers, other researchers that

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Bigfoot is just the flesh and blood ape running around. Well,

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I guess everywhere in the world, since there's been accounts everywhere.

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But I really was kind of focusing instead of hearing

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all the white noise all around me through the media,

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through documentaries, through books. You know, what I had to

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become my own window might be being the observer instead

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of just watching about it hearing about it, because of

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course we can get an influenced that way. Of course,

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a lot of I'd never call myself a bigfooter. I'm

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not a squatcher. I am a hiker out there just

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being an observer. That's what I'm doing, and I'm documenting

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it as I go. So will I admit way in

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the beginning, did I take stick and knock it against

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a tree or give a bobo howl? Of course I did.

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But over this time I started I think this was

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kind of the progression of me being kind of one

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with the woods. That sounds a little bit crazy, but

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I grew up not a woodsman. I stayed away from

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ticks and poison, ivy, you know, anything that was in there.

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I'm staying out of it.

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Now.

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You can't keep me out of there. I don't care

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what I'm walking into. I feel like the woods is

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beckoning me. And that's kind of the key word for

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me right now is the woods. So I never say

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I'm going squatchy. I'm saying, hey, I'm gonna go hiking

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in the living woods because I do believe that I

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do believe that Bigfoot is flesh and blood. I'll I'm

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gonna set my opinion right off, is flesh and blood,

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but I believe has supernatural attributes to it. And the

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only reason why I can say that is not just

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my thoughts thinking outside of the box, but seeing what

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I've seen out there. And I've seen something that in

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the dead of fall, where it's really brown here in Wisconsin,

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nothing's green through some standing pines. I look to my

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right and I see this auburn shape and they had

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to have been about sixty seventy yards away, but it

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looked huge and it caught my eye. I kind of

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like a like a t Rex movement. Something had to

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have moved to where I looked that way. The second

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I looked, I mean, it was solid, and then all

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of a sudden it was gone, Almost like if you

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were going to take a fly swatter to a fly

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and you think you got them, but you missed him.

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He whatever it was moved that fast, but it left

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like what looked like an auburn blur so it moved

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so quick, but I could almost see the whatever it

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left behind. So and it covered a great distance too.

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When I did that, and I was out there with

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my four and a half year old daughter during the day.

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We're just doing a daddy daughter pike, and I believe

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at that point, I said, I don't care if I

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was double wielding Ak's like rambo.

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Whatever.

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This thing was moved that quick could actually snatch my daughter.

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So there were things like that, So it's kind of like,

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you know, it was it an apparition that I saw,

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you know, what could I actually have seen? But at

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the same time, over the years, with a lot of

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the different experiences I've had of things walking directly behind

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me and turning around, taking a couple of steps forward,

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turning around and there's nothing there and you never heard

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it leave, I guess it's things like that because I

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always think, if it's listen, you know, how is it

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that we're just finding the one footprints and that the others.

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You know that that question, that question has never really

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been answered. We can all have theories on it. But

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I started believing that that bigfoot was solid, it was

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leaving footprints, it's breaking branches, it's doing these things, yet

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there's there's not tracks everywhere there. You know, if these

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things are this big and this broad and they're just there,

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it'd be so hard to move through the kettle or

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really woods without leaving, you know, a four foot five

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foot wide of destruction and footprints everywhere if it was

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just an animal. Anyway, this is just the way I

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look at some of these things. Jay, I've got a

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question for you.

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Yeah, having a conversation with Linda Giffrey, rest her soul.

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She was great at what she did. And off the

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top of my head, I forget the name of the

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man that owned the hayfield adjacent to Bray Road, the

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haut Yes, And you know, she was telling me, and

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she shared this story with others and she wrote it

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in her book too, of these orbs that she saw

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and one of the gentlemen who was driving the vehicle

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shined his mag light flashlight at it and it disappeared.

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But it was coming right at them. And there was

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a lot of weird things that she documented in photography

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of the footprints that just vanished. You go off in

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one direction and there were no more footprint. Where did

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they go? They just disappeared. And of course when you

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and myself were out there and went to the kettle,

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you know, I had my personal experience, you had your

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experience of bizarro stuff that when we were there, and

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I will never ever forget that. And I'm really looking

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forward to packing up the bag, the squatch bag and

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going back out there with you again, because we're only

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an hour and ten minutes from each other, and I'm

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looking forward to doing that again over the little bit

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warmer season. But I want to get back out there

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with you again.

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Definitely, because you remember what we walked through the Cone

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of silence.

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The Cone of silence was the craziest thing. I'll tell

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you why. That was nuts.

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Yeah, I'll tell you that the woods have gone quiet

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over all this time, you know, while I'm still doing this,

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But mine and your experience of that ConA silence has

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never happened since. No, really, I've heard that's crazy because

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we we even heard when it was so quiet, it

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felt like we were in just like this little domein.

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A vacuum like this.

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Yes, we couldn't hear any ambient noise anywhere.

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I will explain to the audience what would Jay and

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myself experienced. I'm looking for any kind of tracks on

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the trail that we're walking on, and we're in the

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Kettlemarine and off in the distance, probably what maybe a

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mile mile and a half away, we heard tractor equipment

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rolling off in the farm fields. We heard birds chirping,

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we heard squirrels barking, and it was like one step

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and Jay turned around and looked at me, and he's like,

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everything is dead, silent. We couldn't hear anything. We didn't

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see anything flying, we saw on nothing moving. It was

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the craziest thing. You know, when you're in such deathly

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quiet when your ears start to ring. That's what we

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were experiencing. And so we started walking forward and at

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some point all the noise of the forest and the

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tractor equipment all came back to life again. In about

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I would say, maybe Jay thirty feet, yeah, thirty to

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fifty feet as we walked, and then everything came back

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to life again. What the hell was that?

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It's basically like being in an acoustic recording. Yeah, it

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was that where you could hear yourself breathe.

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Yes, you could feel your heart beating and hear it. Yeah,

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it was crazy, and that was nuts. That was nuts

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and I know that steps a little bit off the

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path of the bigfoot thing, but there was definitely something

465
00:25:56.519 --> 00:25:59.960
going on there because we had a couple other experience

466
00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:03.319
and says going through there where I saw a translucent

467
00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:07.559
figure run right in front of me as I'm looking

468
00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:11.680
at the ground looking for tracks, and this translucent thing

469
00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:14.599
ran from one side, from the left side of the

470
00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:17.319
path to the right side. But yet none of the

471
00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:20.839
brush or shrubbery moved as it ran in front of me.

472
00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:25.240
And of course, you know, I figured out twenty minutes

473
00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:29.880
later my GoPro was dead. My goalpro will run for

474
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:32.799
four or five hours, and we were in there for

475
00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:36.200
what twenty minutes and my goalpro was dead. It was crazy.

476
00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:41.559
But now can you explain that with something No, well,

477
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:45.559
maybe you can. Maybe you were experiencing a force that

478
00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:48.359
you couldn't see. We've talked about these effects of things

479
00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:52.440
like infra sound, and you know, perhaps you were just

480
00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:56.119
subjected to something like that. Although you know, j I

481
00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:57.559
really go ahead, Jay.

482
00:26:57.559 --> 00:27:00.000
Oh no, I'm sorry, I'll let you finish. But subjective,

483
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:03.400
that's one of the things that I actually think about,

484
00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:07.359
is sorry, I'm going to use Star Wars. You know,

485
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:13.519
parodies but what what I'm thinking is they are right there,

486
00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:18.240
and it's it's very easy for said sasquatch standing right

487
00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:21.519
there saying this isn't the squad you're looking for, you know,

488
00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:24.559
it's you know, I don't want to say Jedi mind tricks,

489
00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:28.880
But how is it. I don't think in reality that

490
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:33.759
all the sound events that we we couldn't hear just

491
00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:37.559
didn't disappear. I think it was affecting us.

492
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:38.240
One way or another.

493
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:41.519
And I don't know how right we feel like we

494
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:45.119
were infected in the in this bubble of sea.

495
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:48.920
Would there there's some trippy ship that happens to people

496
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:52.319
out out in the woods man, And you know, I

497
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:55.440
not that I try to. I'm a flesh and blood guy.

498
00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:57.400
I think we all know that. But it doesn't mean

499
00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:00.519
that these abilities can't come from something that's blood.

500
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:03.480
Right, But that's you know anything. I think that's always

501
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:05.839
been my debate and I'm sorry about that when it

502
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:09.759
comes to saying stop with the woo, stop with and

503
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:13.039
you know, and people thinking that it's just like this magical,

504
00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:17.200
friendly giant floating around out in the woods or whatnot.

505
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:23.440
Me personally, I believe soundsquatch is one hundred percent flesh

506
00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:27.319
and blood. But Sean, you you hit it. Why why

507
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:32.119
couldn't they have a different ability of you know, being

508
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:34.480
in the in the environment. And I don't understand why.

509
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:38.240
And it's hard for me because I guess I believe that,

510
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.279
but it's hard for me for people not to. I

511
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:43.759
don't want to say, open up, but just think outside

512
00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:45.720
the box a little bit, right.

513
00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:46.920
I don't know if it's true. I'd like to call

514
00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:49.319
it what if? Right, it's not such rude, but what

515
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:50.319
if we don't?

516
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:52.079
I'll bring that up in the news segment.

517
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.720
But we're only we're only so far with technology, right.

518
00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:01.440
Everything we discover is discover accidentally, and then we find

519
00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:03.839
a way to repeat it, or through years upon years

520
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:06.759
upon years of research, right, and that somebody stumbled upon

521
00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:08.519
something that once again we're trying to find a way

522
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:12.799
to repeat. We haven't been able to find this thing yet,

523
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:15.160
to be able to even start those studies. So to

524
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:19.079
say it can't be just because something else doesn't have

525
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:22.640
that ability doesn't make it woo again. And to me

526
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.759
it makes it what if, you know, leave footprints, This

527
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:33.599
thing leaves piles of ship this thing is leaves biological means.

528
00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:37.599
And so it does. But you know, Sean, I would

529
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:39.880
bring up to you when Jay and myself went there

530
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:44.799
the second j parked the vehicle in this maintenance little

531
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:47.920
parking area which is really small. We got out of

532
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:51.880
the vehicle and we smelled this horrible stench and I

533
00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:55.960
mean it was awful. It's it just smelled like shit,

534
00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:02.000
meet death, whatever you want to It just smelled awful.

535
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:05.680
And I don't know if you remember, Jay, but maybe

536
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:09.640
within twenty five to thirty seconds of us smelling the stench,

537
00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:14.440
we heard something hit the ground that to me sounded

538
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:17.880
like a really heavy bag of you know, concrete mix

539
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:20.000
hitting the ground like it fell out of a tree.

540
00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:24.319
And yet Jay and myself walked over there and saw nothing.

541
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:27.960
Let's pause there, though, Vance, because we're at time for

542
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:31.079
oh break, and when we come back from the break,

543
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:33.720
we'll pick up where you left off, the men hitting

544
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:36.599
the ground, wet meat, shit, and all of the good

545
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:41.200
stuff when we come back. I Sasquat experience shot maker.

546
00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:43.960
Vance Nez been our guest tonight, Ja Pa Jochin. We'll

547
00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:47.200
be right back right after the big football horn. See

548
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:47.680
you shortly.

549
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:59.359
Whoo's team US symbol. There's no such thing as antifa.

550
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:01.599
Right. I thought it was an idea. It was an idea,

551
00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:03.160
like in a fable, like in a book, like at

552
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:06.559
a Kid Striking at Charlie Brown Encyclopedia. It's just an idea.

553
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:10.039
It's an idea, like unicorns, like Bigfoot.

554
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:11.799
All who knows I'm up in the air a big foot?

555
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:17.480
Ah? Yes, that was the recent former Deputy director of

556
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:23.119
the FBI, Dan Bongino last week after he has returned

557
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:26.160
from the FBI. But I found it as a really

558
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:30.880
interesting sound clip just because of the fact that before

559
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.920
he went to the FBI, I know of one occasion

560
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:36.680
where you use Bigfoot as a fallacy or a fairy

561
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:41.160
tale creature. Now we have a difference of opinion, of course,

562
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:44.200
it just crossed my mind to say, hmm, I wonder

563
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:47.319
if there was any documentation or photographs or both, or

564
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:52.920
who knows that he may have glanced interesting? Isn't it

565
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:55.920
want to hear it again? There's no such thing as antifa. Right.

566
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:57.079
I thought it was an idea.

567
00:31:57.079 --> 00:31:58.880
It was an idea, like it a fable, like in

568
00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:01.559
a book, like at a Kid's Strike at Charlie Brown Encyclopedia.

569
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:02.880
It's just an idea.

570
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:07.000
It's an idea like unicorns, like Bigfoot Allo, who knows

571
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:08.160
I'm up in the air Bigfoot.

572
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:12.880
Well, there you go, you draw your own conclusions. Well,

573
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:16.000
happy day to you all. Thanks for joining us at

574
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:18.440
the big Foot Bullhorn on the Sasquatch Experience, and of

575
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.720
course you can always reach out to us via email

576
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:26.599
or the interweb machine. Email would be Sasquatch Experience at

577
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:31.480
gmail dot com, or like I said, you can go

578
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:35.839
to the YouTube web machine Sasquatch Experience dot com. It's

579
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:38.519
not that complicated, but we would love to hear from you.

580
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:44.440
And speaking of you know, things that are being questioned

581
00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:50.000
as of late, there's two sociologists, Jamie Lewis and Andrew Bartlett,

582
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:54.359
and they wanted to uncover some questions that they were

583
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:59.359
itching to understand what prompts this community to spend valuable

584
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:03.799
time and resources looking for a beast that is highly

585
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:08.839
unlikely to even exist. During the COVID lockdown, Lewis started

586
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:11.880
interviewing more than one hundred and thirty bigfooters and a

587
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:17.440
few academics about their views, experiences, and practices, culminating in

588
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:24.519
the duo's recent book, Bigfooters and Scientific Inquiry on the Borderlands.

589
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:30.680
Of legitimate science. One question asked of Lewis was how

590
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:34.839
big is this community? Of course, Lewis replied, it's very

591
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:37.799
hard to put a number on it. There is certainly

592
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:41.839
a divide between what are known as apers, who believe

593
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:46.000
that Bigfoot is just a primate unknown to science, and

594
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:51.400
those that are perhaps more derogatorily called Woo's or wu Wu's,

595
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.559
who believe that Bigfoot is some sort of interdimensional traveler,

596
00:33:55.960 --> 00:34:00.279
an alien of sort. We're talking thousands of people, but

597
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:03.920
there are a couple hundred really serious people, of which

598
00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:08.800
I've probably interviewed at least half many people back then.

599
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:15.280
A UGOV survey conducted as recently as November of last year,

600
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:19.639
or twenty twenty five, if you're bad at math, suggested

601
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:24.400
that many as one quarter of the Americans believe that

602
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:30.440
Bigfoot either definitely or probably exists. Another question asked of

603
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:38.880
Bartlett was were the interviewees suspicious of your intentions? Bartlett replied, well,

604
00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:41.320
one of the things that at least a couple of

605
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:45.400
people reacted to once the book was published was the

606
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:48.880
way we phrase that. On the blurb on the back

607
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:52.079
of the book, we say something along the lines of

608
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:57.760
Bigfoot exists, if not in physical biological creature form, then

609
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:02.480
certainly as an object around which hundreds of people organize

610
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:06.559
their lives. A couple of people they took that there's

611
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:10.719
some sort of slight against them, but bart Live insisted

612
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:15.199
it wasn't. When we come back, I forget is it

613
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:18.519
Idaho or Ohio? Well I have to figure that out.

614
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:25.079
You're listening to the big footballhorn right here on the

615
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:54.920
Sasquatch experience. As anybody ever told you, Hey, nice knockers.

616
00:35:55.519 --> 00:36:00.239
If not, just visit got knockers dot org. Read about

617
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:03.639
the encounter that kicked this whole thing off. Plus you

618
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:08.199
com purchase one, two, three or more tree knockers. I'm

619
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:11.199
not sure what you thought we were talking about. Gott

620
00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:15.639
Knockers has a plethora of gifts and merchandise two from

621
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:17.400
awesome apparel, ware.

622
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:22.280
And even something for the baby. Find jewelry and sauceage

623
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:25.880
to please anyone's taste. Bud, stop on buy and give

624
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:28.559
a hello to Gwendolyn and Michael herself.

625
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.639
Now that you know where to get some great knockers.

626
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:35.599
They make fun gifts or accessories for the squatch bag.

627
00:36:36.519 --> 00:37:02.280
Just visit godknockers dot org again got knockers dot Org. Well,

628
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:06.400
I did just find out that it's pronounced Ohio, not Idaho.

629
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.280
But on May second of this year, which is twenty

630
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:13.840
twenty six for you trying to follow along, it's the

631
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:18.119
Ohio Bigfoot Conference at Salt Fork State Park Lodge and

632
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:23.639
Conference Center in Cambridge, Ohio. There's gonna be five speakers,

633
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:30.320
including Cliff Brickman from Finding Bigfoot and Alexander Pettakoff from

634
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:36.920
Small Town Monsters. Also on May ninth of twenty twenty six,

635
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:43.480
it's Wiscansen Cryptid Anomalies and Paranormal Convention, otherwise known as

636
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:47.480
cap Con. Again. It's on May ninth, twenty twenty six,

637
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:53.840
and it's beheld in Fondu Lac. Wiscansen, thanks again for

638
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:56.440
listening to this edition of the Big Football Horn right

639
00:37:56.480 --> 00:38:04.679
here on Anomalous Entertainments, Sasquatch Experience, and as always untire.

640
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:05.320
We meet again.

641
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:17.480
Keep your toe in the mind, Wiscanson, I don't talk

642
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:17.880
that way.

643
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:19.719
I'll be back.

644
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:23.559
We're back and anybody see us live.

645
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:30.159
Looks like we're experiencing a little technical difficulty. Yes, that's okay,

646
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:33.760
hold on there we go, all right, folks, How you

647
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:37.119
doing the night Sean's Will, James Baker, Van's Nesbit, and

648
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:39.719
Jay Bachoch. So hopefully you all got the big football horn.

649
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:40.679
Vance.

650
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:45.079
Thank you for that great upload tonight. We really appreciate it.

651
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:46.039
It was great. It was great.

652
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:51.559
But I gotta say, being from Wisconsin, I don't say Wiscansen, Wiscansen.

653
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:54.679
No, US from Illinois say Wiscanson.

654
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:58.480
It's right, but from here.

655
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:00.960
You're a Bears fan though, right, Jay, guy, hard Bears fan.

656
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:05.440
There you go, that's all that matters. I'm good with that.

657
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:08.039
I'm right on the border, border wars, border works, and

658
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:10.639
I get you got to throw a rivalry right here

659
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:13.400
with you know the art that's not a rivalry. Jay

660
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:17.800
and I are locked armed in that old that whole thing. No, No,

661
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:19.920
we're good. We're good. We're good.

662
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.320
Before we went to the break, guys, we were talking

663
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:24.800
about some brain shit. So let's pick up where we

664
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:26.320
left off. Their bands.

665
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:32.400
Besides the walking through the Cone of Silence and hearing

666
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:35.880
something fall from it, what I would have assumed was

667
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:38.800
a tree after we smelled some serious stench.

668
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:39.559
Uh.

669
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:43.880
And this goes back prior to a lot of the

670
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:48.760
reports of the awful smell that people have reported having

671
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:52.639
a Sasquatch experience of the bad smell. And as soon

672
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:55.079
as Jay and myself got out of the car, Chase

673
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:59.239
says to me, holy what And we're looking at each

674
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:02.960
other going what that awful smell? And it was crazy,

675
00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:08.079
but yeah, we heard a very heavy thing or something

676
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:11.480
that sounded like it either jumped out of a tree

677
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:14.599
or fell out of a tree or from a higher altitude.

678
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:18.400
And we walked over in that general direction. We saw nothing.

679
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:23.280
We saw absolutely nothing. But you know, after our Cone

680
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:27.960
of Silence experience, we did hear some rock clacks off

681
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:31.800
in the distance, and you know, we were like, what

682
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:36.280
is that. It sounded like, you know, two larger rocks

683
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:40.599
being clapped together. I'm not going to say what it

684
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:45.239
was because JM myself didn't see anything. But for the

685
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:49.400
things that happened in that experience in the Kettle Moraine,

686
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:53.159
it was really interesting. Here's one thing about Kettle Moraine

687
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:57.679
for those that have never been there, it's very level land.

688
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:01.679
The thing is, it's all being gouged out. A lot

689
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:05.679
of it's been gouged out by glaciers that created part

690
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:08.800
of the Great Lakes. So it's not a mountainous area.

691
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:12.760
It's flatland. But you have these really deeper vines that

692
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:17.000
go down. Some of them, Jay go down what forty stories,

693
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:21.559
just completely gouged out. You fall off a ravine, you're dead.

694
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:25.920
You're going down, You're dead. But a lot of these

695
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:30.519
ravines have small creeks that just keep draining out so

696
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:33.199
that they don't fill into lakes like the Great Lakes.

697
00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:37.800
Do you know, there's no upper shore for water that

698
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:41.199
has nowhere to go, so they drain out and it

699
00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:44.880
leaves these deeper vines. And I'm telling you that area

700
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:48.840
is just a perfect area for all sorts of weird

701
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:53.440
things to be able to hide or just stay out

702
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:56.960
of human sight. Easily stay out of human sight. And

703
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.199
you know I have friends that go snowmobiling in the

704
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:03.320
winter time up in the Kettle Moraine. Yeah, you make

705
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:05.960
a wrong turn and that's pretty much the end of

706
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:11.800
your life. You're just tumbling down these deep, gouged out

707
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:15.840
ravines and it's pretty crazy. It's an amazing place to go.

708
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:20.199
I would invite anybody that ever has any interest to

709
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:23.400
do any even if you just want to look for

710
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:27.159
wildlife in the area. That's a great place to go.

711
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:30.559
It is and just think about this Vans the little

712
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:33.320
bit area that we covered. You know, if you wanted

713
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:36.079
to take a pin and just poke it right into

714
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:39.159
a map, you know, an aerial map like that.

715
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:40.480
That's already covered. You know.

716
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:43.639
I know it's definitely not the Pacific Northwest. It's not

717
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:47.400
you know, it's not Pennsylvania. It's not the Chestnut Ridge.

718
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:50.000
It's not the East Coast, it's not you know. I

719
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:52.440
mean you look at these other places that are just immense,

720
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:55.000
and then you look at the Kittle Marine and it's like,

721
00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:58.119
you know, the cattle Maraine is you can get so lost.

722
00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:03.239
There's been easyl lost. Yes, it is easily, yes.

723
00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:07.880
And I just wanted to add that area that you

724
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:13.199
and I walked. We I have actually casted my first

725
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:18.280
print almost where you saw the thing jet across the path,

726
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:21.800
same exact area because I remember that going, oh that's

727
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:22.440
a band spot.

728
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:27.079
That's what I call it, a vand spot. I'm honored because.

729
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:29.000
That's where we were when I when I saw that,

730
00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:31.559
I always think of that whenever I still travel through there.

731
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:35.239
But you know, over this is that in my third

732
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:39.559
documentary to where I've actually seen the distortion.

733
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:40.360
Uh.

734
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:45.559
I like to call it the Predator, but not quite

735
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:49.239
the head, shoulders and everything. It looked more like, you

736
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:52.000
know if Harry Potter or Frodo threw their invisible cloaks

737
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:54.760
over themselves. It kind of had it kind of had

738
00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:58.320
a uh, you know, pac Man, a ghost of pac

739
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:01.880
Man shaped to it. But it was standing right next

740
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:04.320
to a tree when my daughter was seeing something beyond

741
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:06.840
me saying do you see it? She's looking at something

742
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:11.199
beyond the path and the tree line, and I'm standing

743
00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:13.280
over her shoulder and I'm looking. She goes, it's right there.

744
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:13.639
Do you see?

745
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:15.800
It's by the tree. And I'm looking at a billion

746
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:18.360
trees and I'm like, don't see it? I said, I

747
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:20.480
We'll blame just here. I'm handing her the phone to

748
00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:23.519
record it. But my eye was brought up a little

749
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:26.880
bit closer, forty yards from us and right from where

750
00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:30.679
the path and the tree line starts. All of a sudden,

751
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:34.400
I see this distortion move. As soon as I like

752
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:36.960
locked eyes with it, it seemed like it just moved

753
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:40.239
behind the tree that it was by. And the reason

754
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:43.239
why I said it moved behind the tree is because

755
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:46.159
you could tell the distortion of all plant life or

756
00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:49.480
anything in front of it, or you looking. So when

757
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:51.960
it went behind the tree. The tree didn't look distorted,

758
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:54.840
so I thought it went behind the tree. But the

759
00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:58.079
really cool validation of this is my thirty five year

760
00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:01.320
old nephew. When my was trying to look this way,

761
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:04.400
he kind of flanked off to the left about forty

762
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:07.840
yards and just kind of even with us a little bit.

763
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:11.840
But he kind of was flanking around that end. And

764
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:14.639
when I was told my daughter, he was out of earshot.

765
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:16.519
And by the time I walked down to the tree,

766
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:20.519
he met us there and he is even keel. He goes, Jay,

767
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:22.599
if I'm coming out here, I want to see a bigfoot,

768
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:24.159
I want to see a dog man. I would see

769
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:24.840
a gray alien.

770
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:27.119
You know. He goes, But what I.

771
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:30.039
Saw I can't explain, because he said it was like,

772
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:33.280
be careful what you wish for. Yeah, He's like, it

773
00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:35.159
was translucent and it went.

774
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:35.760
It was right.

775
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:39.119
It was behind this tree, and it shot threw all

776
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:41.800
that brush over the path into the next part of

777
00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:46.039
the woods, didn't make a sound, didn't destroy brush, And

778
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:48.760
that's exactly where I saw whatever I saw it move

779
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:52.559
behind the tree. So again now people say, well, you

780
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:55.199
just saw a cloaking bigfoot. I didn't see a bigfoot.

781
00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:58.800
I didn't see a cloak. I didn't see it uncloak exactly.

782
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.599
I don't know what I say. I have no idea

783
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:05.360
what I saw. I saw what I had described with

784
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:10.440
Shannon Legroux on ITF with you was if you held

785
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:14.400
a piece of paper up to a blank television screen.

786
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:18.800
That's how it was translucent. And it moved from the

787
00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:23.840
left to the right at a running speed, but yet

788
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:27.639
none of the shrubs were moving or disturbed when it

789
00:46:27.679 --> 00:46:30.559
went from one side to the other. While I'm looking

790
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:34.880
down looking for tracks, and I saw this thing move,

791
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:37.239
and I'm like what, And of course you know you

792
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:40.519
stopped because you had your camera going, well what did

793
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:43.280
you see? And I look at my GoPro and it's dead.

794
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:46.880
The battery is completely I'm like, we've only been in

795
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:50.679
here for like twenty minutes and my GoPro was a

796
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:53.639
one hundred percent battery charge. I've got nothing.

797
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:56.320
I was like, Dads, do you remember though, when I

798
00:46:56.360 --> 00:46:58.800
said what did it look like? And you were describing

799
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:01.800
it to me. I still remember to this day you

800
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:04.719
said it was like like it was like like a

801
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:08.400
because you couldn't see the bottom half of it. Yes,

802
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:10.760
the top half and you said, it was almost as

803
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:16.960
if like a villain the Scooby Doo. Yes, like the villain, yes, something,

804
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:20.800
and moving across Always remember you said that, Yeah, Yeah.

805
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:23.000
I couldn't see the I couldn't see anything from the

806
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:26.079
waist down. All I caught was from the waist up

807
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:29.000
as it was moving in front of me across the path,

808
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:33.000
and it was like it was running And immediately I'm

809
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:36.199
looking at the shrubbery on the other and on the

810
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:39.400
other side, on the right side of where I was at.

811
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:42.719
It went down into the ravine of at least you know,

812
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:47.559
thirty forty feet. Who's running across that fast to go

813
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:50.920
down a ravine. I don't know what to make of it.

814
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:51.800
I really didn't.

815
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:56.159
And I think that's the point where I was talking about.

816
00:47:56.719 --> 00:47:59.679
Is big Foot one hundred percent real or flesh and

817
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:01.039
blow one hundred people?

818
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:01.840
I believe that.

819
00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:05.000
But at the same time, Sean, the whole thing you

820
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:08.559
were asking me is where where am I now? From

821
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:12.039
what I when I first started, And I believe it

822
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:16.199
was it was probably right around the time, you know,

823
00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:18.880
Vance and I were out. I took somebody else out

824
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:22.400
and we were finding a single feather in the middle

825
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:25.559
of the path, and I thought, well, I didn't really

826
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:29.800
think much of that, because you're out in nature. Of course,

827
00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:33.039
there's going to be a bird feather from somewhere. And

828
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:35.880
as we started walk, kept walking another about seventy five

829
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:39.960
yards down, we find another feather single in the middle

830
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:43.880
of the path, and I thought, okay, it maybe it

831
00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:45.599
just clicked there, but I still didn't make a big

832
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:48.519
deal about it. About another one hundred yards later, we

833
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:51.800
found another feather in the middle of the path, and

834
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:56.280
I think at that point that triggered me into saying,

835
00:48:56.800 --> 00:49:00.000
you know, I'm thinking, okay, you know, bigfoots out here,

836
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:03.800
bigfoots leaving me feathers. And then I'm thinking, now, that's ridiculous,

837
00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:10.039
that's absolutely ridiculous. However, there's a lot of native culture

838
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:14.280
here in the state of Wisconsin that I thought immediately,

839
00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:19.960
I'm thinking headdress, you know that there, and I wanted

840
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:23.719
to look into it a little bit more of the

841
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:28.880
native side. Actually, Part three really kind of dives into that, right.

842
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:32.760
I really do believe that the woods and I'm going

843
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:35.320
to call them the living woods, and and I don't

844
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:40.679
just mean trees, fox, deer or whatever I'm saying. It's

845
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:44.800
it's alive, I even think spiritually, And I guess it

846
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:47.320
all depends on how you want to approach it that way,

847
00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:51.719
you know, because again saying that you believe in bigfoot already,

848
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:56.079
you're already getting shunned by people going as their unicorns too.

849
00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:58.880
And then and then when you dive into this field

850
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:02.119
of bigfoot, then you do have those different camps. And

851
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:05.519
then within these different camps you've got you know, the Apors,

852
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:09.519
you got, the wu, you got the Ufo, you got Nephlum, biblical,

853
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:14.760
you know, bigfoot. And I really think sometimes it's even

854
00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:18.679
hard to collaborate with other people that do this. I'm

855
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:21.440
open to everything. Yeah, I'll listen to everybody, you know,

856
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:24.800
when they sit there and they pound on their desks

857
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:27.519
saying it is just a flesh and blood eighte people

858
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:29.440
stop with all this other stuff.

859
00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:34.239
We don't know now, we don't know. We experienced it.

860
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:38.840
And is there a correlation with you know, could you

861
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:42.719
have seen evans a big foot running so fast that

862
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:47.679
it was translucent. It's unheard of, but is it possible?

863
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:49.039
We don't know.

864
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:51.800
But that's why when I go out there and I'm

865
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:55.840
becoming the window, my own observer, I am going to

866
00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:59.960
document what I see, what I feel. If other PEO

867
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:02.480
people don't like that and it doesn't work with their

868
00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:06.280
paradigm in this subject, you know, that's just got to

869
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:07.920
have to move on from it, or at least be

870
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:10.519
able to talk with other people that are willing to listen,

871
00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:11.519
you know.

872
00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:14.280
I want to bring up a I wanted to bring

873
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:17.599
up a quick point though, Jay, which I noticed that

874
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:21.719
when you and myself went out there, and ever since

875
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:26.000
you've been going out there, you make your announcement to

876
00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:29.280
the woods who you are and that you mean no harm.

877
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:33.920
You're just there to observe, right, And you'll move through

878
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:37.760
that area and you'll say your piece as you move

879
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:40.880
through the area. And I'm very comfortable with that. I

880
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:46.199
think whatever, if there is the whatever, needs to understand

881
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:49.360
that we're not here to do you any harm. We're

882
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:52.719
here to learn and observe, and that's it, not to

883
00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:59.119
obstruct or to destroy whatever it is you're doing. We're

884
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:02.119
just here to observe. And when you make your announcement,

885
00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:08.719
I think that's very prevalent to doing some of this research. Yeah, and.

886
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:13.000
Going into that, I'll take it that one step further

887
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:16.880
because I was actually starting to do the announcement back

888
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:20.199
when I was carrying like a big rig of lights

889
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:22.719
and everything that I'm out there like a film crew

890
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:24.880
of like finding Bigfoot, and I'm like, why can't I

891
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:25.800
find this thing?

892
00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:27.239
You know, trying through?

893
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:34.079
Then I started realizing that maybe it's because if we

894
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:36.559
were out in the woods, for example, me and you

895
00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:39.239
and Sean, and we're standing out there in the dark, Okay,

896
00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:42.440
we're just doing our observing and just way down the path,

897
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:45.920
we see this flashlight coming at us. Okay, what's your

898
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:51.480
first instinct when you see that? And honestly, I think

899
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:53.679
one of the answers were a lot of people are saying,

900
00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:55.920
all right, let's turn, let's go the other way, get

901
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:59.159
away from the flashlights, or let's step off the path.

902
00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:02.280
And then that's a lot of the answers I get.

903
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:06.400
And then I'll say, Okay, why do you feel that way?

904
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:10.760
Is because you don't know the intentions behind the flashlight

905
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:14.199
coming at you. So therefore, when I was coming in there,

906
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:18.679
I was taking not trying to walk in with flashlight

907
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:22.000
is not trying to be an aggressive step. I was

908
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:27.320
basically going in there too be non aggressive. That's when

909
00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:31.280
I started doing my hand signals and you know, being

910
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:34.599
able to let the woods know, Hey it's me and

911
00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:38.519
you know me. Hey, here's vance he's with me. Cool guy,

912
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:42.719
let us let us go through. And that was actually

913
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:47.119
back then. But after talking to a Native American elder,

914
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:50.639
Skip god rust is Soul that he died in twenty

915
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:53.119
and twenty three, I had only an hour and a

916
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:58.400
half conversation with this man, and I was actually asking

917
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:01.800
to see if you would do an interview with me

918
00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:05.800
for my third documentary, and at that point he wasn't

919
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:10.400
able to. But that hour and a half conversation changed

920
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:13.840
my life because of the way he approached it. I'm

921
00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:17.559
asking him, what are these feathers? Okay, I just I'd

922
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:18.960
like to know what are these feathers?

923
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:20.400
Right? Any relation?

924
00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:24.519
And he said, Jay, that's for you to find out, right,

925
00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:27.480
And I'm like, that's not the answer I'm looking for. Skip,

926
00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:31.239
I'm sorry, you know, I want to know the answers. Yeah, right,

927
00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:34.880
And he's like, Jay, there is more to the woods

928
00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:39.559
than just sasquatch. Sasquatch does exist, but there's so much more.

929
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:43.079
And he I couldn't even dive into right now the

930
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:46.159
amount of information that he gave me. But at that

931
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:49.159
point he said, Jay, just do me this the next

932
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:53.800
time you're out there, take tobacco with your left hand and.

933
00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:56.559
Say the Native.

934
00:54:56.360 --> 00:54:59.480
American word would be migwitch, which is thank you, and

935
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:01.480
it's kind of an offering, and then you just sprinkle

936
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:05.840
the tobacco right. And I'm like, okay, well, I haven't

937
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:08.760
been doing this in all these years, and he goes,

938
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:11.800
that's because Jay, this is your sunrise. And I didn't

939
00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:14.320
know what he's talking about. I don't speak that lingo.

940
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:18.519
But whatever that did really opened me up more to

941
00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:22.159
the woods and the way to approach it. You know,

942
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:26.360
am I taking a flute dancing around a tree right now? No, however,

943
00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:29.880
I do have a really precious tree that's out there

944
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:33.280
that seems to be the oldest oak ever. But I

945
00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:36.280
named grandfather, and I named that grandfather a long time

946
00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:39.159
ago because I always said if these branches could talk,

947
00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:41.639
I wonder what it could tell me over the past year.

948
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:43.079
It's that big.

949
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:48.480
But it was just my approach to not only announcing

950
00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:53.480
but having that respect going into the woods. So sorry,

951
00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:54.800
I didn't mean to babble.

952
00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:58.199
No, No, I don't apologize. This is the perspective we

953
00:55:58.239 --> 00:55:58.760
need to take.

954
00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:03.360
Yeah, it's it's just my way of approaching. Like you

955
00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:06.159
said advanced that I always and I do this to

956
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:09.960
this very day. I'll put my hands up and I

957
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:13.159
will announce myself. And you're wondering why I put my

958
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:16.119
hands up. It's not a hands up. It could be

959
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:19.760
more of a submission, and it's more of saying, hey, look,

960
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:22.519
I have nothing in my hands. That's what started it.

961
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:25.360
I would do that. I would say, there's nothing in

962
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:27.599
these hands, and then I would do that, and I

963
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:30.559
would kind of turn and then i would wave to

964
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:32.760
the woods. And I'd always share like a raccoon or

965
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:36.360
possible giggles when I do that, you know, but I

966
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:38.840
still get I still do that to this very day.

967
00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:42.039
What started out as a joke, not a joke, but

968
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:45.679
just kind of something funny is now kind of my.

969
00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:48.599
I's a repetition. It's a repetition.

970
00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:50.360
So I say, it's kind of my calling card when

971
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:54.519
I go in there, if anything seeing that I don't know.

972
00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:59.239
I'm thinking doing this for almost thirteen years, and I

973
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:01.880
still have my head on and you know, and I'm

974
00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:04.280
living to tell the tale on some of the things

975
00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:08.840
that I've observed out there. I feel somewhat protected. I'm

976
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:13.679
not stupid going out there. I don't bring a firearm,

977
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:17.159
but I do bring my Rambo cold steel, some bear

978
00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:21.480
spray because I'm not out there too to try to

979
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:24.119
hurt anything. At the same time, people say, well, it's

980
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:28.840
still dumb, Jay, it's an unsafe thing. I always thought that, Hey,

981
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:33.800
you know what if these Sasquatch people are hyper sensitive

982
00:57:33.880 --> 00:57:36.960
like a dog, could sense your fear, I believe the

983
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:41.119
hyper sensitivity could also sense your confidence. This guy is

984
00:57:41.159 --> 00:57:44.000
too confident. This human's too confident walking out here in

985
00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:47.159
the dark. What does he have on him that's going

986
00:57:47.199 --> 00:57:50.039
to protect him? And I'm not trying to ward it

987
00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:52.880
a point. Yeah, I'm trying to. I'm trying to bring

988
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:55.920
him in right, you know the best I can. That's

989
00:57:55.960 --> 00:57:56.559
a good point.

990
00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:01.800
Well, gents, we've blown through that hour. Yeah, we've blown

991
00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:05.039
through that our incredible time. We've had lots of great insight, Jay,

992
00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:06.599
Thanks for sharing it.

993
00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:06.920
Jay.

994
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:09.239
We've talked a little bit about your documentaries. Tell folks

995
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:10.639
where they can find them, where they can pick up

996
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:11.239
some copies.

997
00:58:11.559 --> 00:58:15.679
Yeah, absolutely all. I actually have three documentaries in one

998
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:21.039
special edition, all being streamed on Paraflex. It's just like Netflix,

999
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:27.679
but it's all paranormal. It's it's everything, Bigfoot, Ufo, dog Man,

1000
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:31.320
you name it, it's it's on there. It's a great app.

1001
00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:34.599
You can watch all of them on their streaming and

1002
00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:38.159
if you need to go to my website jabachochin dot com.

1003
00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:40.800
I do have blu ray copies of all my films.

1004
00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:44.039
Uh be happy to ship them out to you. Go

1005
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:47.480
write my website, order them boom. Then you have them

1006
00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:49.119
as long you know, as long as people see it.

1007
00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:52.079
You don't make millions of dollars doing this at all?

1008
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:53.960
And that what do you mean?

1009
00:58:55.599 --> 00:59:01.519
Never never does write a name for It's not about yeah,

1010
00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:06.119
it's about the truth. It's about encouraging people saying, you

1011
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:09.360
know what, there's eight billion people in the world and

1012
00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:12.800
everyone has their own truth. So right out there, discover

1013
00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:15.760
for yourself and find your truth. And that's what I

1014
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:19.320
try to do is help motivate those people to get up,

1015
00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:22.039
go out, be the window, find it yourself.

1016
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:26.199
Well, at some point, Jay, over this up and coming

1017
00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:31.840
warmer season, spring summer, you and I will get back

1018
00:59:31.880 --> 00:59:34.800
out to the Kettle again and do our tour and

1019
00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:38.519
maybe even go down Bray Road again. Who knows. I

1020
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:41.079
remember you telling me going down Bray Road and you're like,

1021
00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:44.679
right here, I saw something standing next to the road,

1022
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:49.320
and then you stopped and went back and it was gone.

1023
00:59:49.760 --> 00:59:52.880
I was like, oh man, there's so much craziness going

1024
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:56.039
on just in that area. So yeah, I'm really looking

1025
00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:59.000
forward to hooking up with you again, and let's go

1026
00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:01.639
back out there and and make it happen again. And

1027
01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:05.239
maybe this time I'll bring a double battery packs so

1028
01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:09.639
that something doesn't die so we can get some video documentation.

1029
01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:12.599
You never know, Vance, you never know. I don't know

1030
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:14.679
if that'll make a difference or not, but you're welcome

1031
01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:15.079
to try.

1032
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:19.599
No, I want to try absolutely, Folks. Thanks again.

1033
01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:25.079
You've been listening to The Sasquatch Experience Sean Forker, James Baker,

1034
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:29.000
Vance Nesbitt, and tonight's guest Jabachojin. If Henry was here,

1035
01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:32.679
he'd tell you to uh, you all be good or.

1036
01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:34.159
Be good at it or be good at it.

1037
01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:38.280
Yeah, that's right, And until next time, folks, keep on squatching.

1038
01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:39.840
We'll see you next time.

1039
01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:45.960
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1040
01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:55.000
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1041
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1042
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1043
01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:10.760
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