Jan. 25, 2026

EP 139: Shadow of Mount Hiba, Legend of the Hibagon

EP 139: Shadow of Mount Hiba, Legend of the Hibagon
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Deep in the forests of Hiroshima Prefecture, where mist clings to the slopes of Mount Hiba and the old roads twist like memory, locals whisper about a creature unlike any other. Not quite ape. Not quite, man. A fleeting shadow with burning eyes. Join the SE Crew as they travel across the Pacific to explore Japan’s most elusive wild man—the Hibagon.

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is advised. We got some one or something crawling around

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out your see what it was?

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Was it a person or an animal?

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Or I can't go. I know that my thunderway came

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on and I did that with a Glenn bad thing

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running across the yard, A goodbye man. The company looked

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by the man. I don't know what it was.

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Back in two thousand and five, we set out with

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one goal to give voice to the mystery and those

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who pursue it. Sasquatch Experience podcast has been your go

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to source for serious Bigfoot discussion, where we separate fact

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from folklore. Always grounded in research and respect. We've interviewed eyewitnesses,

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experts since skeptic like because understanding Bigfoot isn't just about belief,

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It's about the journey. Nearly two decades later, we're still

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chasing shadows and sharing stories. The search never stopped. Welcome

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to the Sasquatch Experience.

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Hello, hit somebody out here? Ed good evening everyone.

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Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience for Monday, January nineteenth, twenty

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twenty six. It's going to be weird saying that's still

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after a while, and guys, I tell you what, it's

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great to be here tonight. I'm going to do something

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a little different, going overseas to investigate well, the Japanese

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equivalent of Bigfoot, the He Begone, which is kind of exciting.

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The He Begone. James, Yeah, he was trying to do

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a whole Who's on first thing. He's been trying this

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all day, is what he's been doing. Vance will be

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joining us again here. Momentarily he was with us and

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apparently somehow we lost him. So we'll be back. But

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you know, we're going to take a trip to the

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Japanese prefecture of Hiroshima, where the creature known as the

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He Begone unsted fear, fascination and folklore. Is it a

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big a creature, something older, stranger, or something spiritual? I

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guess we'll find out as we go through this great topic.

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But again, folks, it's great for you to be here

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with us tonight. Myself, Henry May, Matt Arner, James Baker

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in the Flesh spent a great time since our last show.

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And I'll tell you what, colder than hell right now

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across our region. Even Henry said, it's like thirty five

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degrees down there in Mississippi, which to them is probably

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our equivalency of zero.

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Yes, so you know, good.

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Luck everybody warm up, and if you can't get warm,

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well that sucks.

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They had snow in Florida, they did. Yeah, how about that?

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That we know is when it's world end?

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Yes, Matt, what's new?

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You got any news for us on the front.

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You know, there's a couple things they're brewing, one of

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which I had this hypothesis and we were just talking

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about this this morning that generally between January and March

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we get some sort of sighting, some sort of encounter,

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some sort of track, something reported in an area of

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Pennsylvania that is not really squatchy at all, But between

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the air the months of January and March, we get

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these reports that that just kind of come in and

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it's literally right in my backyard. We just got one

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this morning, and I'm in the process of contacting the witness,

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and you know what, it again, it matches right up

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to what we were talking about and it kind of

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goes back to when we had my famillion on and

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some of the guys from the ARC that I think

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just again just the thought that the population in Sussex County,

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in that northern area, they may move down south, because

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inevitably every year last year we didn't get anything, but

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in years past, from I think like twenty sixteen on,

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there's always been something found. So again, whether it's footprints, localizations,

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class a. So again, this really kind of you know,

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gets the excitement for the investigations.

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Right, and I think it's it's great that you pointed

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that out because you have been a proponent for a

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while of that hypothesis of the you know, with the

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whole Allegheny plateau. Really and we're starting to see a

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lot of sightings start popping up in these areas. We're

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starting to investigate Matt, which means that people are paying

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attention and I think that they finally know where to

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get these sightings to because we've had more now in

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the last six to eight months than we've had in

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the past and persistently consistently now.

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The other thing too, I put down on my on

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my ex account with the Ling Plateau project. I'm not

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really on it that much, but I do occasionally post

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on air. I cam that, yes, that the roads right

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now in our research area where we like to go

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are beyond treacherous. They're all ice covered. Even even trucks,

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heavy trucks that have chains are still getting either stuck

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or spun out or going down the going down the

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side of the mountain Right now is not the time

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to be up there. But I think that the activity

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is probably still there. It's just that there's no witnesses

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up there. I mean there's absolutely on on like Montour Road,

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Ridge Road, those areas that that we've been that we've

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been hammering. There is not one person going out there.

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And especially when it's you know, when we're getting uh,

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you know, below freezing and uh daytime temperatures and and

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again the roads are just a solid sheet of ice.

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So we're treacherous, right, yes, yeah.

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So is there a go ahead donting season or anything

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that might be pushing the.

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Animal, Well, right now, there is a least season that ends,

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uh that ends very soon. This year they did allow

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for the least season for ri supposed to be used

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in certain areas. The only thing though, is not a

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lot of hunters are going up those areas, so a

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lot of them are keeping closer to the highways or

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they're being closer to parking lots, and they might hike in.

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Hiking is fine, but again, you know, Sean and Jeans,

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you know, I took both of you guys up up

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into that area. It would be quite a hike to

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go from you know, Route one twenty to you know,

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up where our research area was.

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So yeah, it's something that you're really not gonna be

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able to do on foot.

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No.

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In fact, you know pretty much, I think until probably

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either the late winter or early spring, we're not really

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going to be able to get back to that spot

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at this point, right because it looks like at least

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for the next month and a half long term forecasts

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are going to be building that up with some more snow.

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Yes, so, and.

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I know you folks didn't tune in for a weather report,

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but I think it's you know, Matt and I you know,

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talking about these areas because you know, again the nice

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stress of folks. We are field investigators. We do spend

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time out there.

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This is what we do.

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Ye.

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So there you have it, folks, our Allegheny Plateau Project update. Uh,

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And I mean again, the sating reports are coming.

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iNTS.

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We'll have a lot more talk about uh through the

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weeks to come.

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So now we go back.

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We're doing something different tonight, guys.

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Uh.

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You know, we thought, what did we you know, want

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to cover here that we really haven't and we've done

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a lot in North America, but I thought it would

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be fun for us to take a trip over to

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Japan and talk about some of their cryptids, specifically, uh,

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you know, their version of the Bigfoot, which actually came

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to be watching War of the Gargantuas the other day.

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You know what, what did they have to have some

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sort of you know, creature over there that would be right?

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You know, they're they're quick valenci and of course you

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know they have all these stories of different yokai over

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there are these demon esque creatures and spirits, and you know,

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they are very spiritual people, the Japanese, and this how

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they weave these beings into their culture is very interesting.

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But the hibbagone is commonly cited in the Mount Heba

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area of the Herosima Prefecture, is described as having a

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black or reddish brown tint to its fur, being neither

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a dwarf nor a giant between five to eight feet tall,

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sometimes even up to nine feet tall, but having a

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repulsive smell or stink that one witness, you know, compared

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to septic a septic tank, and it never seems to

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make any sounds. So and all these encounters we're going

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to talk about, guys, and I sent you, guys all

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the information ahead of time. No noise is admitted from

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this creature in terms of a vocalization, which is kind

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of interesting because I think one of the things makes

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that different in comparative to ours is that distinct vocalizations

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in the whistling, right, and this isn't accompanied by any

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of that.

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Well, I would make a correlation to the fact that

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this was Hiroshima where the US had dropped the atomic bomb,

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and look what happened, and iguana turned into something called Gozilla.

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Well that was there, great, that was only in the

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American versione.

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Oh, don't take my fun away.

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Don't take my fun away. But I mean, so let's

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get into some of these sightings. Which is funny to

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me that witnesses began coming forward in the nineteen seventies,

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and there's contention over when the first sighting actually took place.

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So one source says that the first sighting happened in

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July ninth, with what appeared to be a man with

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bare skin and fur spotted between the Yuki and Minohara stations,

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which was reported in their newspaper on October twenty fifth.

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But the first sighting that I read of, and that's

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you know, even validated by Lauren Coleman, was a group

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of school children in the nineteen seventies that saw a

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hairy creature near their playground.

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Yes, they described.

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It as about five feet tall, covered in dark hair,

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with glowing eyes and a flat human like face. So

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this happened July twentieth, the first sighting. The contentious first

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sighting happened on July ninth, but two very different creatures

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if you go by the different sighting reports. I'm actually

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more tending to believe the kids, you know, a group

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of school kids, you know, could very well what they've

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seen been an ape of some sort.

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Right. We find the same kind of contrast and reports

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in the United States, where in one area you have

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a different description than you do in a different area. Yeah,

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but even though Japan is not as large as the

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United states, it does have different regions, and I think

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that's very plausible.

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Well, you make a good point with that, vance I

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guess the only part of the confusion that I don't

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want say confusion that makes it strange to me is

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that they're so close together. These sightings happen very regionally,

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and they're not spread that far out as opposed to

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you know, even in Pennsylvania these reports. You know, there

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could be hundreds of miles between some of these reports

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that happened. You're looking at something in a very you know,

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much more close proximity, right, right, And to have something

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so different as a bear skin and fur and then

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the other one completely hair covered, but did notice a

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human like face? That itself is kind of telling. But

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if you had never seen a chimpanzee before and saw person,

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would you beside it being covered in fur? Would you

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think would you not be able to mistake that for

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a little person if you didn't know any better?

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Yeah, Well, that's a good point, and I do appreciate

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Lauren Coleman did not interject any of his personal opinion.

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He just kind of posted exactly what was being reported.

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Right our job's dad context and asked questions and have

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the back and forth. Right, he just literally reported the

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news on that.

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But then here we go.

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July twentieth and nineteen seventy, around eight pm, Yoshi Taka

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Marisaki was returning home in his light truck when he

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saw a strange creature pass in front of his car

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as he crossed the Rocanara River and approached the Rokanara Dam.

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He was pronunciation, he was done, thank you.

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He described the creature as the size of a calf,

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too large to be considered a monkey. He took a

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relative who lived nearby to investigate the scene and found

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to overturn vegetation, but no footprints. So with this now

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he's adding more size and bulk, And I wish I

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could ask him what he means by the size of

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a calf as it was it quadrupedle? Was it standing up?

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Was what?

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What?

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In what context was that put in? Was it hunched

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over in quadrupedle? Was it standing up? Because that would

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make a big difference in terms of scale. Right, go ahead, bake.

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Because the only ape that's in Japan is the macaw,

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and they all weigh about nineteen twenty five pounds or.

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Like they're small monkey, right.

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But they wouldn't get that big. Now, it doesn't mean

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that it was something else, or it was you know,

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or it could be the Japanese traditions had a lot

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of spirits and animals and things like that. Because I

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was reading while we were talking about this, I was

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reading about it. In the forty three to forty five

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when the Americans got involved in the war, they were

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doing different things to animals and whatever, like painting them

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with a reflective reflective pain.

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Yeah, right, because the because the.

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Natural people would be startled enough to make noise so

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that they could shoot them, you know, yeah, because that's yeah.

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That's what it came down to.

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To your point, they had a lot of you know,

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they had a lot of traditions, and they had a

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lot of animals, absolutely right, you know, so some of

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these things that they saw, you might have seen something

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and they embellished some of them, and still there would

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be you know, at the time, and even now, I

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don't think there are any great apes in Japan, Like,

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especially with the way the world is now that you know,

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everything's everywhere, you know. I believe the United States has

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an ape population because of NASA, you know, and the circuses.

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Yeah, that's true. But to your point, James, the macaw

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in Japan has a human interaction with it. It's not

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that intimidated by people, whereas what we're talking about seems

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to be evasive to human population.

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There are no native true apes in Japan, right, but

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they do have the second largest captive chimpanzee populations in

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the world. So just something interesting to know if you

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talk about you know, they have natural disasters over there,

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you know, and we talk about things like earthquakes and

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bommies and is it possible they have typhoons? Is it

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possible something along those lines happened and some of these

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things got out. I don't think that's above the realm

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of possibility.

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No, not at all. And I think the same thing

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happens in this country too, oh, where there may very

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well be a natural disaster where some captivity was released

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and that is misinterpreted for what it is that we're

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looking for.

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Well, I've been writing the book and which will be

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coming out sooner than we think. And you know, one

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of the things is I'm writing my chapter on James Baker.

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And oh what is he a sasquatch?

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No, But one of the things I just talked about

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since I've known him back in the early two thousands,

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was that he's always believed, and I'm putting words in

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his mouth only because I've heard him talk about it

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so long that Sasquatch, if it exists, was probably a

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misplaced ape or misidentified ape.

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And I very much agree with James on that.

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Particularly in the skunk ape. James, You've always talked about,

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you know, where did the monkeys go from NASA? Where

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did they go when they get displaced in natural disasters?

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The circus even prior to that, though, even prior to that,

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when when settlers were coming here to do trade, they

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were bringing exotic creatures and wherever they landed on the

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shores of America, which some could be in Florida, and

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landed there, and let's say in orangutang or orangutang, however

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you want to pronounce it. Let's say it's you know, released,

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and it's adapted to the environment, and now it's known

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as a skunkpe. I'm not saying that's what it is,

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but you know, this has gone back through history for

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a millennia at least, or that these creatures have been brought.

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Here trade from South America, Africa, some of the other countries.

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They brought over animals too, like the horse was introduced

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to North America. My concept has always been that if

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you think about it, and I use Florida as an

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example because it's it's really a melting pot for not

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for a non native species. Mom, let's have a lizard

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in New York. It comes down to Florida. Mom, oh no,

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you're not having a snake in this house. Let's it go.

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It doesn't hang it out in the park. It goes

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it is because it's cold and moves towards warmer weather.

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Eventually they hit South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Louisiana swamp lands

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is a perfect place. You know, you got the you

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got the the herpes monkey.

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You know.

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Box anytime he could mention that herpes monkey, he's pleased

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to do so.

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Yeah. But but to point to James's point, the same

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thing still happens today where you know, you have enthusiasts

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that will buy a python and then it starts getting

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too big and they're letting it go in the Everglades

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of Florida, and the next thing you know, you have

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an invasive species that's taking over and the same thing

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could have happened some years ago. You know, more people.

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Needed to watch movies from the eighties. Did they not

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see alligator? An alligator too?

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No, we did not. We watched Lake Placid with Betty White. Yeah.

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But actually though, you know, we make funnel Lake Placid.

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But they're actually finding that a lot of these alligators

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and swamp creatures are moving up north because the weather

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isn't as bad as it used to be, because they

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become what they call it keystone species, right, it changes.

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But on top of which, these creatures are able to

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survive freezing temperatures in the water. As long as there's

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snout is above water and they can keep inhaling air,

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they can survive freezing temper And it's proven in Florida

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all the time. You see these ice sheets over these

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ponds and there's alligators. They're not moving, they're not aggressive

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because they're kind of in a hyber native state, but

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they can survive it.

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And that's one of the key things. I was like

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this thing in Japan. Maybe maybe you know, and I'm

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not saying that every sighting has to be a monkey.

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That's not saying every sighting has to be a Sauce squad. Right,

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it's saying that the percentages are possible with what we

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can physically say we saw.

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Keep talking, James, Oh it was me.

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Oh God, we had we have we have? How many?

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We have?

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How many?

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Oh?

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Look at the pictures. We have so many undocumented creatures

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in the United States. But then you can prove some

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of them are there, but you can't prove the population.

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There was a and I wish I knew the name

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of the monkey. There was an eighth that lived in

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Jesus titties.

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Jesus, this is a family show.

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Okay, all right, Hey, he's the one busted them out.

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But anyway, so there's a there's an ape that they

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thought was beas Day and they found like five thousand

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of them in a deep African jungle because it took

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three to four days for someone to get into that

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and come back.

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So these animals, say, the Louisiana swamps. There's parts of

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Louisiana swamps. Nobody goes into. Hey, hey do you want me?

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You showed me the picture, right, So those were those.

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Images of the of the hebgone that we were able

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to find today in our research. And I put them

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together in a nice little presentation there. But you know

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what was interesting is that one picture that was taken

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kind of reminded me of the Mayaca ape from Florida.

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You know, we talked about that chimpish orangutan looking image

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that was taken from the you know, the Mayaca and Florida,

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that famous one that I you know, if anybody made

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that one famous, I really have to say it was

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Lauren Coleman who really showed that out. We know, we

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talk about Lauren quite a bit. I wasn't get Lauren

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on this show to talk about some of these things.

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But you know, you start getting several pictures of that

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and and you know, how do you start disputing it?

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And I know photographic evidence is always going to be

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of you know, interpretation, and I think screat right, But

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I you know, in the Mayaca photo has always been

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kind of strange because honestly, that one of anything has

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always reminded me of some sort of ape.

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Uh.

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And I've always felted to look a lot more real

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than fake. But when I started looking through some of

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the images of the habit of the hebagone, and I'm like, huh,

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you know, isn't that interesting?

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Uh?

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You know, because they do. They did to me look

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very similar even in the size. You know, what's interesting

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is that you're not necessarily talking about something that's like

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nine ten feet tall. You're talking about again, something within

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the five to six foot tall range. Really globally seems

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to be when you look at the orang pendec, when

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you look at some of the creatures that are seen

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in South America, they're all relatively that's you know, relatively

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that size.

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So could we be looking along with that point, Sean

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along with that point? Japan is part of the Asian continent,

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right random are yeah blacks sorry at water that's okay.

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Gigantopithecus blackie. You know those bone fractures were discovered in China. Okay,

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that's part of the Asian continent. That could put a

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very good correlation between a similar species, one larger, one smaller,

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kind of like in this you know, and I'll realm

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of this country too, where it seems those that are

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on the Pacific Northwest seem to be much larger than

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those in the Florida region, right.

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Well, as you get more of those tropical climates, you

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need to be more adapted to that environment. Matt I

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seem like you're ready to say somebody.

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Yeah, you know what, it goes right into this. I

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was looking and doing my research today at the comparison

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between the urine, the Chinese Bigfoot, and the Hibago, and

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really the only difference is the size, but most of

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the size they're saying, you know, maybe about six feet tall,

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but it could be up to ten. Again, the similarities

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in terms of the hair color, in terms of the

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facial features, in terms of the behavior, and not only that,

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but the urine is from central China, which would be

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almost not quite in line with Hiroshima, but it's going

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to put into a similar type of weather pattern and climate.

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I agree. I totally agree with that point of view, Matt,

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because I find so many similarities from the Asian continent

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to the US or North American continent. You know, the

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further south ego, the smaller they seem to be. The

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further north ego, the larger they seem to be. It's

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all I would assume that's all part of climate. But yeah,

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that's a really good point. There's a lot of similarities

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that are being attributed to both. But still, if I

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if I came across something six foot tall I would

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probably be just as freaked out as if I saw

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something ten feet tall. I don't think that's gonna make

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a whole lot of difference a.

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Tall day as much what you're saying, yes, yeah, no, do.

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You have Do you have more similarities? They found I

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I do have more similar east I found uh to

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compare with other areas. But we can see it. That

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was for after a break.

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Yes.

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In fact, right now is a good time to take

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that break, because we did almost the bottom of the hour.

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Can you believe it's gone that fast? Almost?

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You are listening to the Sasquatch Experience Sean Falker, James Baker,

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Matt Arner, Vance Nesbit, Henry may As we explore the

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legend of the hebagone and we'll be back right after

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the big football and horn bullhorn. Stay TUNEDOS team a

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symbol my life from Wisconsin.

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You think you guys get cold, go to Wisconsin.

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Holy smokes, he's up there.

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Thank you you cold.

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It was up there.

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That sucked. It was so cold in Wisconsin. The ice

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cream machine at McDonald's was working. Ah, yes, you know

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00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:17.240
for the next month and a half. It is officially

467
00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:22.640
known as Frightened Turtle season if you know you know.

468
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:27.960
And speaking of Wisconsin, here's an interesting story that I

469
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:30.720
had a close tie to and might have to do

470
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:36.559
something about it. A significant Bigfoot report involved Wisconsin teenagers

471
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:42.160
in the Kettlemarine State Forest who witnessed a sasquatch approaching

472
00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:46.839
their campsite while they were shooting off bottle rockets, setting

473
00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:51.000
the entire state forest on fire and everyone died. Nah,

474
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:54.240
I just made that part up. One of the teens

475
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:57.400
left the campfire and went back to the truck to

476
00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:01.519
go get some more bottle rockets, and his eyes finally

477
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:04.519
became adjusted to the night when he saw a very

478
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:10.079
very large, upright figure with whitish black gray hair. Astounded

479
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:13.200
by the shocking sight, the witness alerted his friend to

480
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:16.720
the creature's presence, though he only caught a glimpse of

481
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:20.240
its head and shoulders due to the darkness of the

482
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:25.039
moment because the other teen's eyes was not adjusted. I

483
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:27.359
find this interesting only because of the fact that some

484
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:33.200
years back, Bigfoot researcher Jay Bachojan and myself went to

485
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:36.559
the Kettle Moraine. Now Kettle Moraine is probably just a

486
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:40.319
little over an hour away from Studio four oh one.

487
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:44.039
Here it sits on the Illinois with Skans and Border,

488
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:50.240
and oddly enough, at the entrance to Kettle Moraine is

489
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:55.640
Bray Road, the Beast of Bray Road made popular by

490
00:29:55.680 --> 00:30:00.720
the late great Linda Godfrey. So there's an interesting point.

491
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:04.720
Jay and myself pulled into a little maintenance clearing area

492
00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:08.119
at the Kettle Moraine where there was a trail, and

493
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:11.720
we opened up our car door to get out because

494
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:17.160
we took one vehicle, and the stench was just incredibly overwhelming,

495
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:20.559
kind of smell like a pile of rotting meat with

496
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:26.160
I don't know death. It was awful. But within just

497
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:29.960
a moment or two later of making the acknowledgment of

498
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:33.920
how badly it's stunk there, we heard, as the best

499
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:38.079
eyes could describe to Jay, it sounded like a hundred

500
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:43.559
pound bag of concrete mix hitting the ground about maybe

501
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:47.559
twenty five yards into the woods. So we couldn't see anything,

502
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:50.319
but we grabbed our gear out of the car and

503
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:53.359
kind of went to where we thought we heard this noise.

504
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:59.559
At didn't see anything, but there were rock clacking going

505
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:03.720
on and a couple of other interesting things that happened

506
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:07.880
on our adventures through the Kettle Moraine looking for footprints

507
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:12.880
and any evidence we could find. So with that said,

508
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:18.839
Kettle Moraine is a really cool place to go when

509
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:31.759
we come back. Let's meet Forker in Forksville.

510
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:36.279
You're listening to the big football horn right here on

511
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:37.559
the Sasquatch experience.

512
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:50.440
What's your take on bigfoot?

513
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:54.200
I actually saw one in my backyard the other day.

514
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:57.599
Did you It had taken down this deer. It was

515
00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:02.319
just ribbing its trying to eat it. It was just horrible. Wow,

516
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:07.039
there was blood everywhere. Dog came out in the bigfoot

517
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:09.000
bad way like he was nothing.

518
00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:14.039
This thing was tough. It was Harry. First I thought

519
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:18.319
it was my wife. She wouldn't be tearing the antlers

520
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:20.519
off the deer. No, should just go out there with

521
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:24.920
the kneeggs and oh that's great.

522
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:28.079
What's your take on do you think there is such

523
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:29.440
a creature or.

524
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:34.400
It's I think it could exist. I haven't seen one,

525
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:37.160
but that doesn't mean it's not real. Well that's a

526
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:39.759
great answer. Well, I love the fact that he's all

527
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:41.000
on in your backyard.

528
00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:01.440
Hey, guess what, kids, it is the Yon the Footprints

529
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:06.440
Tour by Mike Fameland. He is a bigfoot researcher and

530
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:11.160
the producer of the documentary series In the Shadow of

531
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:15.319
Big Red Eye. This is going to take place on Tuesday,

532
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:21.240
February tenth, at five pm at the Forksville Inn. The

533
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:26.880
address is five zero four to eight Pennsylvania Route eighty

534
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:32.799
seven in Forksville, Pennsylvania. Join as Mike tells about his

535
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:39.039
research and his experience. Thanks again for listening to this

536
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:44.759
edition of The Big Football Horn, exclusively on Anomalous Entertainment's

537
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:50.640
Sasquatch experience. And as always it is frightened turtle season.

538
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:53.559
I'm tear we meet again in.

539
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:54.480
The mid.

540
00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:09.440
Fright and turtle season. Indeed, Van says, if you know, yeah,

541
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:13.039
very good. Well, as we were, uh, you know, hitting

542
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:17.000
the brake, we had Matt getting ready to draw some

543
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:20.559
more connections here, but I did want to acknowledge that,

544
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:25.519
you know, Scott, one of our you know, frequent guests

545
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:30.079
and supporters and friends, pointed out Bergman's rule, smaller species

546
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:33.679
closer to the equator, bigger the further away, and that's

547
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:36.360
kind of where we're talking about here with you know,

548
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:40.840
these smaller, these smaller creatures seen in these in these

549
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:43.639
tropical areas. So go ahead and their Matt continue on

550
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:45.800
with what you were saying.

551
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:50.599
So we were again in doing the research with this,

552
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:57.039
I was looking at the area of Hiroshima, and Hiroshima

553
00:34:57.119 --> 00:35:02.000
is a large city as everyone knows, but the outside

554
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:07.039
area is Hiroshima Prefecture, which is basically their rural area.

555
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:07.880
Uh.

556
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:13.079
It's almost like you have Philadelphia in all the areas outside. Well,

557
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:17.599
maybe not Philly because it's kind of congested suburban suburban sprawl.

558
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:20.559
So you might have like Pittsburgh and then you go,

559
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:23.960
you know, uh, not that far an hour or two

560
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:28.519
away to the Chestnut rich so in that prefecture.

561
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:29.480
Uh.

562
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:36.119
The comparison in terms of the way the mountains are,

563
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:40.719
the climate, the way the houses are are put up

564
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:46.639
in the little villages is almost exactly like eastern Tennessee

565
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:52.639
the Smoky Mountains, right. So looking at some of the

566
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:56.320
photos and I was just browsing some of the YouTube

567
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:01.719
channels that talked about hiking through Mount Hibba, which is

568
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:05.119
the where the hibbigone got the uh it got its

569
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:09.039
name from. Uh, and a few of the other mountains

570
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:14.400
up there. It's very similar in terms of going up

571
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:17.679
to Klingman's Dome where uh, you know, going out to

572
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:20.440
some of these peaks in the in the Smoky so

573
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:24.760
uh so you do have and they describe the towns

574
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:27.880
as being very similar to what we would have here

575
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:31.599
in Pennsylvania, where you just have these old villages and

576
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:34.719
then you have an expanse of uh of mountains. Then

577
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:38.920
you have another village expansive mountains, another village expansion mountains.

578
00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:43.360
And when you think of Japan, you're thinking of Tokyo,

579
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:48.000
You're thinking of these other uh major cities. But really

580
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:55.039
outside of Hiroshima it again, even the climate is very

581
00:36:55.079 --> 00:37:01.079
similar to Tennessee mm which I think and again we

582
00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:06.559
know the Smokies and Cumberland Plateau are you know, both

583
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:10.639
known spots in North Georgia, throughout the area North Carolina

584
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:14.280
are all all have a lot of sightings, all have

585
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:17.760
a lot of mountains. And again you're talking about a

586
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:23.679
similar type of you know, environment where these creatures could live.

587
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:27.360
And it is interesting that you bring that up because

588
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:31.280
those areas that you brought up in the United States

589
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:37.079
share the same latitude in Japan. Yes, so you know,

590
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:39.800
size comparison would make a lot of sense to me.

591
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:44.599
Yes, yes, And as our friend Scott just just put

592
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:47.320
in a lot of the cities around the coast. But

593
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:51.480
once you get to the interior. There's far more rural

594
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:57.559
areas in Japan uh than even this area. This area

595
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:03.039
it's considered suburban rural. But h but again, you know

596
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:06.360
so is so is Gatlinburg and Pigeonforge. You know, so

597
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:09.840
you're talking about a similar area.

598
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:14.000
Yeah, that's a that's a good point. And thanks Scottford

599
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:16.880
throwing that into the into the conversation.

600
00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:19.880
Yeah, well, I mean it's and he makes great points

601
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:21.000
with it. You know, a lot of it is from

602
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:23.800
the shipping and the transport and the you know, to

603
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:28.320
bring goods into the into the countries, and as you know,

604
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.960
you move out to the you know, more central you know,

605
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:35.199
prairie esque kind of rural areas does make a difference,

606
00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:40.440
and you start seeing these these stories, particularly in Japan,

607
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:43.199
start creeping up around the you know, the major metropolitan

608
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:48.039
areas that kind of just I think Matt's comparison to

609
00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:52.719
Pittsburgh was very appropriate because you know, you really the

610
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:58.920
Pittsburgh you go from city to not very quickly. Yeah,

611
00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:02.639
and you know thing here right, right, I mean, well

612
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:05.559
it is the same way, right, you have these very

613
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:09.559
rural areas that just kind of you know, come out

614
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:12.639
of nowhere. But you know, we have another sighting that

615
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:19.039
happened on the Rokunahara Dam on July twenty third, nineteen seventy,

616
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:22.320
with a farmer mowing his grass. Now this is interesting, guys,

617
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:26.400
because earlier when we were talking, this creature emits no sound.

618
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:32.199
But mister Condo heard a roar and looked up to

619
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:36.679
see a strange face emerging from the grass. He at

620
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:39.239
first thought it was a monkey, so he tried to

621
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:42.159
scare it away by making noises and swinging his sickle,

622
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.880
but it did not run away. Stared at by the

623
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:49.760
creature's large eyes, Condo became frightened and fled back to

624
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:53.960
his home. Later, he returned to examine the site, and

625
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:56.559
about a meter and a half of grass was found

626
00:39:56.599 --> 00:39:59.840
to have been knocked down. The creature was described as

627
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:02.679
being tall as an average man, covered in black fur,

628
00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:07.719
and having a grotesque face with piercing intelligent eyes. Right,

629
00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:11.440
So interesting about this one is there is a sound

630
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:14.800
that's admitted from it. Maybe he said or here he

631
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:18.280
heard or world, but he didn't see it make the roar. Hmm,

632
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:23.800
I don't know, right, Well, that's the great How many

633
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:27.360
of these ahead advance? No, go ahead, Henry, No, I

634
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:29.039
want to hear you, Henry, right.

635
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:33.599
I wonder how many of these stories are lost in translation.

636
00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:38.239
As far as we're talking about something that legendly doesn't

637
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:42.519
make sounds, we're talking about something that can range from

638
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:47.000
five to eight foot tall, maybe nine feet. We're talking

639
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:51.519
about something that is about the size of the Champanzee

640
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:59.239
or bigger. Could this possibly be some sort of I

641
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:01.440
don't know, it just kind of strange.

642
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:05.400
Yeah, Well, you make a good point because these these

643
00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:12.639
cases weren't captured by US honkies, you know, they were

644
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:17.280
taken by a local Japanese researcher. So I mean, it

645
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:22.320
looks like the guy's name was Katsuyaki Ege, who was

646
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:25.679
a town hall employee who collected the sightings. Now he's

647
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:27.960
the one that took a lot of these, and of

648
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:31.119
course Lorna Coleman, doing his research, you know, stumbled upon

649
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:35.079
this gentleman and got more information. So I think we

650
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.559
could you know, I understand what you're saying, but I

651
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:39.920
think maybe we could take a little bit more credence

652
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:44.360
in these because of you know, they are captured by

653
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:47.719
someone local, someone knowing the nuance of the language. As

654
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:51.199
I was learning pronunciations for today, I went online to

655
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:56.679
learn how to say certain words right. And the funniest

656
00:41:56.840 --> 00:42:00.760
you know, Japanese often involves pitch being the differential between

657
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:04.440
what the meaning of a word is. And you know

658
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:07.559
that's that's nuanced, right, And so somebody who speaks that

659
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:10.800
language and a native to that tongue getting these and

660
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:13.440
translating them builds a little bit more confidence in me

661
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:17.599
that at least it right, is not is not getting changed.

662
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:22.639
But to your point, Henry, even though there's there's not

663
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:24.840
a lot of variety in what we're seeing, there is

664
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:28.199
a lot of variety what we're seeing.

665
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:30.360
And it would seem to be that way. You know,

666
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:35.079
I could also take the attribute to the fact that

667
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:39.920
you know these creatures. Let's just assume these creatures are

668
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:45.639
in existence. Uh, some may want to stay completely silent

669
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:50.480
so that they're undetected, where others will you know, warn

670
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:54.159
and growl and howl and make a lot of noise

671
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:57.039
to keep themselves secluded.

672
00:42:57.760 --> 00:42:59.679
But but you know, that's the thing though, when we

673
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:05.480
look at these reports, aside from that one notation of

674
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:08.679
a roar, which the gentleman did not see it make

675
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:12.280
a roar, this thing is virtually silent. It's not like

676
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:16.039
our sasquatch, which is a noisy mother effort. You know,

677
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:20.400
this one does his own thing and is pretty quiet.

678
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:23.920
But you know, another sighting occurred on July thirtieth of

679
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:26.360
the nineteen And what's really important is that these sightings

680
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:31.960
happened like in the seventies through into the eighties, and

681
00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:35.159
then there's a little bit of a break and these

682
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:38.760
things start happening again in the two thousands, right, Yeah,

683
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:43.119
I saw that. It's like they come out of nowhere

684
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:46.519
again in twenty twenty four. But you know again, one

685
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:49.280
of the other ones that I call attention to here

686
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:52.840
as a witness, was making his way to a sluice

687
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:56.039
gate to fill the rice patties with water. He noticed

688
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:59.039
someone walking along the path between the rice patties at

689
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:01.679
about twenty meters away away from him. He guessed the

690
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:04.199
figure was a female relative and called out to her

691
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:07.719
to be careful, but she did not respond. When he

692
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:10.719
looked into this person's face, he saw that it resembled

693
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:14.159
a gorilla, so he fled the scene in surprise and

694
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:18.199
fear got into his truck and drove to a relative's house.

695
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:24.159
At the time the area where the creature appeared. I'm

696
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:25.960
just trying to make sense of this, and several reports

697
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:28.519
of damage to chestnut and cornfields were received. So it

698
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:32.960
seems like once this gentleman started reporting this sighting, other

699
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:36.760
people were reporting damage happening in their own fields. Sorry

700
00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:40.159
about that pause there, folks. I'll try to edit that out,

701
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:43.880
Oh you will. I will edit that accurate.

702
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:46.719
I mean it could be accurate. I mean, if you

703
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:48.840
see a creature that's.

704
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:50.480
It's got to eat, right.

705
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:52.679
I know that we have the people that believe it's

706
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:55.760
ethereal and blah blah blah blah blah, But I mean

707
00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:58.719
even there has to be a reason for it to

708
00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:02.360
be there. I mean, you look at any crypt, there's

709
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:06.159
there's a core reason why it's there. Either that's where

710
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:09.559
it laid the zor that's what Like even one of

711
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:12.480
my favorite, the Maufman, the Moffman, had a core reason

712
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:15.519
for the assessed. There's a core reason for it to

713
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:18.039
be there and why and only was there for so

714
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:20.840
long and why it kind of disappeared with the Bigfoot

715
00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:23.159
and with all the other crypt it's even you know,

716
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:26.639
there's a core reason they showed up in that area.

717
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:29.320
We just haven't figured out that one hundred percent.

718
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:33.159
Well, you know, after these sightings started happening in the seventies,

719
00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:38.119
and in August of that year, the town actually appointed

720
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:45.920
Katsuyaki Egy, a town office employee who was capturing these reports,

721
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:49.639
to be in charge, and he opened a consul consultation

722
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:53.960
service regarding the apes. This purpose was to prevent the

723
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:56.960
press from coming to interview witnesses and disturbing the lives

724
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.280
of the people. And the staff of the console Tation

725
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:04.480
Service regarding apes conducted activities to respond to the universities,

726
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:08.119
a research team and to the media and to obtain

727
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:10.920
information from witnesses and paid them five thousand yen in

728
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:15.119
compensation for their inconvenience. So they were paying the witnesses

729
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:18.599
for the inconvenience of, you know, bothering them to get

730
00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:22.960
information to start putting it out there. Now, here's one

731
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:29.320
that in August fifteenth, nineteen seventy four, Minora Mattani was

732
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:34.039
driving with his mother along a prefectural road in near

733
00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:36.840
Shobara City when he noticed a monster in the middle

734
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:40.360
of the road switching between a bipedal and quadrupedal form.

735
00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:43.960
He did snap a picture when the creature jumped onto

736
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:47.079
a persimon tree. The creature tried to jump to a

737
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:49.679
pine tree three meters away, but the branch broke and

738
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:53.840
he fell. Stupid ape according to the witness, that was

739
00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:58.760
covered with gray silver hair, white around the neck, and

740
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:03.079
had a red face. This creature measured approximately one and

741
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:06.440
a half meters in height and eighty centimeters in girth.

742
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:12.119
The photo was not well received and it's a poor quality.

743
00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:15.239
It's impossible judge from the photo alone. And I think

744
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:18.239
in that little montage we had there, one of those,

745
00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:23.280
ye right, one of those photos was of that of

746
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:23.920
the being.

747
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:27.360
But at that time, noough, at that time that photo

748
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:32.199
was taken, it was not with a digital you know, smartphone.

749
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:36.159
There was probably done with a Kodak instamatic.

750
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:41.159
Yeah, even though we're in the birthplace of technology, it

751
00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:47.119
wasn't it wasn't happening now, you know. Again, there were

752
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:50.639
sightings that happened up until June of nineteen seventy five,

753
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:55.239
where they dec issued the town issued a declaration of

754
00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:56.960
the end of the Hebigone case.

755
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:03.880
Okay, right, so what do you think about that, guys? No?

756
00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:09.960
Well, interesting though, and they think that the he begun

757
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:13.559
may have died because a large, unidentified skeletonized carcass of

758
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:16.119
a creature was found in the mountains near Mount Heba

759
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:17.280
in nineteen eighty.

760
00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:22.239
Yeah, well until a he began jumped on a cargo

761
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:26.280
chip from Japan to America. And then the next thing

762
00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:29.760
we know, we have another cryptid to try to figure out.

763
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:34.119
Well, and then sightings of another creature called the yumigon

764
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:38.000
was seen in Yamano Town in the nineteen eighties, and

765
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:42.960
that started its own flap that started October twentieth and

766
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:44.039
the nineteen eighties.

767
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:47.480
It was a long black.

768
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:52.320
Train coming down the line. Okay, you know it takes

769
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.039
ten seconds to hit your mute button. I don't understand

770
00:48:56.440 --> 00:49:03.679
one hour of fucking week. Okay, oh that's so. And

771
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:06.639
again now in October nineteen eighty, this all starts up

772
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:09.679
with a creature observed to be one and a half

773
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:14.000
meters tall, gorilla like muscular body with grayish brown fur

774
00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:17.079
covering its hair except the belly. This we'll call this

775
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:20.760
one bear belly. The witness observed this for approximately one minute.

776
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:24.679
The monster assumed a quadrupedal posture, walk down the bank,

777
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:28.320
cross the river, and disappeared through the trees like a monkey.

778
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:34.519
So now we start seeing another creature of similar proportions.

779
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:40.599
Yeah, but I have to interject that one meter tall

780
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:44.079
is really not that big. No, And we know a

781
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:49.000
number of primates that do not have hair on the belly.

782
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:51.559
Well, yeah, a meter and a half you're talking about, what,

783
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:55.760
that's three and a half feet tall at best. Well now,

784
00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:57.880
I think a meter and a half would be about

785
00:49:57.880 --> 00:49:59.920
four or five feet tall, okay.

786
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:04.159
Either, right, even with no hair on the belly. That's

787
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:08.639
that's kind of common with common primates as of today.

788
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:10.519
I mean, if I was wearing shoes, it could be

789
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:11.480
confused with me.

790
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:16.239
So about high heels. Heels? Oh stop its.

791
00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:22.760
In nineteen eighty one, a thirty centimeters wide footprint was

792
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:24.440
found on the county road in front of the health

793
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:28.199
center in Yamano Town. Is considered one of the earlier

794
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:32.679
Yamagan cases. Which is funny because just like this, damn

795
00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:36.880
the Yamagon, just like the Hibigon, there's contention over whether

796
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:44.320
when the first sighting happened. Again, just craziness. And then

797
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:48.960
now we start going back to the Riwa era. It's

798
00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:52.639
like they name these areas after you know, the same Godzilla.

799
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:56.599
You know it's all about I know, there's a real

800
00:50:56.639 --> 00:51:05.880
reason behind it. Henry got offended. Sorry, Henry, Yeah, trying

801
00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:08.760
to get the gotcha. He hit his mute button. There see,

802
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:13.639
Henry got the message, and two thousand and four, settings

803
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:16.039
of a large ape l like creature began again in

804
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:20.920
Shabar's city. Five sightings happened between twenty twenty four in

805
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:24.400
June of twenty twenty five, oftentimes happening in the summer

806
00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:29.119
or our summer. It's pretty interesting and again, you know.

807
00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:32.559
In August twenty twenty four, an older man opened his

808
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:34.880
front door and saw black creature in a field twenty

809
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:37.639
three meters away. Thinking it was a monkey, he called

810
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:39.880
out to it. The beast then leapt over a two

811
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:43.960
foot high electric fence and fled a two foot high

812
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:45.599
electric fence. I could jump over that.

813
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:47.559
Yeah, pretty sure this.

814
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:51.280
Is this Henry was talking about those translation things before.

815
00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:54.199
I'm pretty sure that was meant to be two meters

816
00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:59.400
but interesting enough, though, two Italian tomatoes were left behind

817
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:01.239
at the scene, so it could have.

818
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:04.159
Been a Mario brother. Okay. Wow.

819
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:10.079
In September of that year, a farmer spotted would appear

820
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:13.320
to be an elderly woman. Upon approaching, he claimed it

821
00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:16.880
was a giant monkey because I make that mistake a lot,

822
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:19.159
and actually.

823
00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:22.639
One time I was driving down my alley stop it.

824
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:23.960
Yeah.

825
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:27.000
So again, a lot of anecdotal reports after this, none

826
00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:30.599
of them has detailed as some of the earlier sightings

827
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:33.599
we got. I don't know, guys, what do you think

828
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:36.320
did this creature die? Do you think it was this

829
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:39.000
creature that died? You think there's I don't know that

830
00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:39.719
it died.

831
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:43.360
Ya'm a god still around. Yeah, I'm not sure that

832
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:49.119
it died. It's probably just adjusting to its environment and

833
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:53.960
making itself a little bit more discreet to any human

834
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:59.639
reaction or human interaction. But I wouldn't say between the

835
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:03.239
seven these and now that it would have gone extinct.

836
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:06.880
It would matter if it's like a one and done creature,

837
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:10.599
like in other words, like something got off a boat

838
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:14.719
or something got off us some kind of caravan or

839
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:17.519
something like that and was in Japan, that I could

840
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:20.559
see where it would be dad per se. But if

841
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:24.440
it's a cryptid species, as we're trying to assess, then

842
00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:27.199
there would have to be some kind of tribe or

843
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:29.239
someone kind of heard, you know.

844
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:31.159
It couldn't just kill one and then'd be it.

845
00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:35.079
So it's either a it's either a not. It's either

846
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:39.360
a creature that someone dropped off somewhere, you know, by

847
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:42.280
accent or purpose. Hey, this would be funny. Let's put

848
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:44.239
a great ape in the village of Bin that was

849
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:47.599
for them, you know. And then, because like I said,

850
00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:50.960
is in I know, it's in the forties and the fifties,

851
00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:54.719
in the time of World War Two, the American the

852
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:57.199
American troops were doing all kinds of crazy things to

853
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:00.719
mess up the Japanese, you know, to throw them off

854
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:04.760
their game. Right, if it's a one and done, that

855
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:08.719
could be believable. But if not, then there has to

856
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:10.760
be more than one. I mean, that's like I always

857
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:14.320
believe that if NeSSI exists, either it's immortal or there's

858
00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:15.159
a nesty pod.

859
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:17.079
We just never fall right.

860
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:23.519
And the same theory can be applied to you know,

861
00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:27.960
Vietnam with the rock apes. You know, here's all this

862
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:32.360
chaos going on, but yet these troops are experiencing the

863
00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:35.800
rock apes. I'm not sure that they would have just

864
00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:40.719
dissipated and become extinct. Right, go ahead, Henry, you were

865
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:43.760
going to say, it would have to be a viable population,

866
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:49.159
otherwise it would go extinct a long time ago. Good point, right,

867
00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:51.480
The other. Yeah.

868
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:54.599
One thing I was gonna say is, Okay, we're talking

869
00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:59.719
about the nineteen seventies, in the nineteen thirties and the forties,

870
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:06.840
Japan had actually invaded China. And there's that one unit

871
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:10.239
I forget what like Unit six or six that's like

872
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:15.079
super super bad to look up. Don't look up there anyways.

873
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:18.840
But they they were doing all sorts of crazy things

874
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:21.400
over there. And how do we know that they didn't

875
00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:26.679
bring a yearine over to overtweenland Japan.

876
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:31.559
Right or just regular apes mm hmm, yeah, with this

877
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:37.199
with the same intent of turning them into super soldiers. Yeah,

878
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:38.039
who knows.

879
00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:41.679
Like Russia or or the odd question of the.

880
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:46.079
Some of the islands outside of the outskirts of Japan

881
00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:49.119
they found people in the fifties and the sixties that

882
00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:51.719
didn't realize the war was over. And we're looking in

883
00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:55.400
the woods like hermits and you know nomads.

884
00:55:56.119 --> 00:56:00.079
I mean, well, and you can you know when you

885
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:02.360
go back to that report of a guy of it

886
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:06.519
looked like a bear skin creature wearing fur. That could

887
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:07.039
be a person.

888
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:09.639
Oh sure it could yep.

889
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:11.920
I mean, do they have other bears in Japan?

890
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:16.679
They do have bear they they do have bears like

891
00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:20.559
brown bears are uncommon in that area, but they still

892
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:23.360
have been sighted in that area.

893
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:27.960
Yeah, you know, Matt, I'm trying to as fast as

894
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:30.159
I can come up with a name for the bears

895
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:34.000
of Japan, but yeah, they do have a specific bear there.

896
00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:44.039
The bad news this style Chicago, I.

897
00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:46.559
Tell you we can't ever win. I do want to

898
00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:48.920
say we try. I do want to say this was

899
00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:51.199
a fun discussion the night, something a little different out

900
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:53.480
of our realm. Yeah, we didn't even talk about the

901
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:57.199
spiritual aspect of you know, the Japanese connecting this to

902
00:56:57.239 --> 00:57:00.320
the Yokai and you know what this could mean from

903
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:07.039
a I don't want to say paranormal but a folk

904
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:11.360
lurish kind of, you know kind of way. Was it

905
00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:16.400
a mass psychogenic event? I doubt it, but you know,

906
00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:19.360
the Japanese and I have a note here that says,

907
00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:24.199
in Shinto belief, forest or sacred places home to spirits.

908
00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:27.239
The idea of a forest dwelling humanoid isn't just plausible,

909
00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:32.079
it's part of the cultural fabric. And so perhaps folks

910
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:35.760
seeing something like this that's akin to them probably more

911
00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:40.079
along the line of encountering a potentially an angel or

912
00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:42.760
a demon or a spirit as we would encounter them

913
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:45.400
in our homes. This is you know they you know,

914
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:49.760
they're more adept to I don't say adept they're just

915
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:51.320
more open to.

916
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:53.840
That the theology.

917
00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:54.719
Right.

918
00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:57.280
Thanks you filled up my sentence there.

919
00:57:57.280 --> 00:57:59.760
I appreciate that. No, No, I try the best that

920
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:01.280
I there to wrap that up.

921
00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:04.400
Good job, thank you. Van's earned his paycheck tonight, folks.

922
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:06.440
Hey two dollars.

923
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:09.639
That's right, we make an ad revenant. No, I'm just

924
00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:13.599
kidding anyhow, good show tonight, lots of fun. We have

925
00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:17.760
more coming up down the pipeline. Next week I will

926
00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:22.039
be a guest on Where's My Stage with Mike Ann

927
00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:27.119
and Christy, so I'll be joining them at eight pm

928
00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:29.840
on the twenty ninth. I'll also be out of town,

929
00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:32.639
so I'll be doing that one on the road, and

930
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:35.039
then in two weeks we'll be back with another episode

931
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:38.519
of Sasquatch Experience. And keep checking the Patreon, which you

932
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:42.840
can join for as little as two dollars a month

933
00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:46.639
to help keep the wheels going on the bus. Here

934
00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:50.800
We've got some great stuff coming down the way. Henry's

935
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:53.920
Bigfoot Trivia. By the way, only person on the board

936
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:58.199
so far has been Steve Coles only one answering the

937
00:58:58.280 --> 00:59:01.400
question correctly. For the question from week one of who

938
00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:04.159
was the newspaper writer who wrote the first story on

939
00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:10.880
the Patterson Gimlin film, Henry, the answer is al Tostado, right,

940
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:14.079
But then there's also some contention. Steve wrote as because

941
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:19.840
because the byeline I guess was never credited to al Tostado,

942
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:22.760
it was just gathered that his writings were very similar

943
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:28.639
in style. But we will accept al Tostado as the answer,

944
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:31.360
and so far Steve calls the only one on the

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board with points. This week's question who got footage of

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a possible white bigfoot in Ohio in nineteen ninety two?

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And don't answer that, folks, because that questions still live

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and those answers will be gathered, populated and we'll pick

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a winner of our first prize.

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I know the answer, and do I get Girl Scout cookies?

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Or no?

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No, no, you don't know. You can't answer, vanc it's

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a conflict of interest. But folks, Henry, go ahead and

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take us out with those dulce dulcet tones.

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Y'all be good, It'll be good at it.

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We'll see you next time. Folks, keep on squatching. You've

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