Nov. 17, 2025

EP 134: Ken Gerhard

EP 134: Ken Gerhard
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Season 12

Cryptozoologist Ken Gerhard, from “Missing in Alaska” and many other shows, joins us to discuss his Sasquatch interests!

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Views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch Experience

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do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the host, sponsors,

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or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener discretion

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is advised.

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We got some one or something rolling around out here.

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See what it was?

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Was it a person or an animal?

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Or I can't go.

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I know that my thunderweight came on and I did

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that with a Glenn be the thing running across the other.

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Good by man, there's something looked by the name. I

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don't know what it was.

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Back in two thousand and five, we set out with

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one goal to give voice to the mystery and those

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who pursue it. Sasquatch Experience Podcast has been your go

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to source for serious Bigfoot discussion, where we separate fact

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from folklore.

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Always grounded in research and respect.

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We've interviewed eyewitnesses, experts since to the like because understanding

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Bigfort isn't just about belief, It's about the journey. Nearly

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two decades later, we're still chasing shadows and sharing stories.

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The search never stopped. Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience.

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Hello, get somebody out here, and good evening.

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Everyone, Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience, returning here Monday, November tenth,

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twenty twenty five. Guys, it's great to be back on

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the air after an impromptu hiatus. Life really kicked us

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all right.

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In the Yeah, okay, kibbles and bits, tweets and Berry Wow.

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We.

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Have overcome and here we are. But I wanted to

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just take a moment and just kick off tonight's show

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with a little.

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Memoriam.

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If you look up there in the corner, Billy Green

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passed away in the middle of October while we were

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on hiatus. Bill was a big part of our show

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in the early days on blog talk radio. Yeah, and

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it sounds like we have Henry somewhere on Everybuddy's I'll

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just meet him until he's ready to come on, as

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we've had no he's not popping up anyhow. As we

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had Bill on the program with us back in the

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day when we were more of a call in show

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than we were a I don't know, I guess a

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full fledged podcast.

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At the time.

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Bill would always call in and want to know what's

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the latest and Bigfoot research and if we had a

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guest on such as can our guest tonight. He would

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ask what's the latest in his area and what was

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new in his research, and just kind of I called

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him the ambassador of goodwill for Bigfoot. You know, Bill,

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what you see is what you get. He didn't have

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any ulterior motives.

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He was a good.

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Cat and a good friend, and we're going to miss

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him pretty tremendously, a big part of us as we

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got started. And just rest in peace, Bill Green. And

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now you have the answers to everything you were seeking,

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my friends. So to our friends, his friends and family

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and our friends, we send our condolences. And he's going

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to be missed. I'll tell you that.

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Here here God speed.

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It's just been a long, long year for us in

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the big Foot field. A happy Veterans Day to all

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our listeners out there, especially those who have served and

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Vance and Matt for their service. Thank you very much,

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gentlemen for taking the time out of your busy lives

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and to serve this great nation.

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We really appreciate it.

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And the final piece I'll add before we move on

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to reading Ken's bio with Squatch out Hunger, Guys, we

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still have a long ways to go to hit our goal.

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We're at about the five hundred dollars mark at this point,

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I guess even more so now than ever with everything

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going on and we.

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See how.

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Unstable the environment is, you know, the least we could

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do is take a moment an opportunity to feed a neighbor.

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And with Squatch Out Hunger, that's what our goal is.

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To help raise money to Feeding America so we can

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make sure folks don't go without food. Insecurity is one

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of the largest causes of depression and anxiety through all

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age groups, whether you're a child or you're a senior citizens.

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So let's do our part to help squatch out hunger

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and get folks, you know, especially as we get towards

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the holidays. Everything in the holidays seems to be around that,

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the joyous festivities around food. Let's open our hearts and

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our wallets and get squatch out Hunger furnished up as

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we go to at ends eleven twenty. So we've got

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a long waist to go, folks. So that's all I

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have for announcements. Now for the part everybody here has

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been waiting for the bio and our guest, and then

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I'll kick it over to you vance to get us

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kicked off and Ken, thanks for joining us tonight. Ken's

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been in the green room and he's been out here

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with us going through the news, so we appreciate the

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extra time Ken spent with us so far.

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It's great to be here. Thank you, so folks.

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Ken is a renowned cryptos whologist, author, and television personality

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whose lifelong quest has taken him deep into the mystery

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of Sasquatch and other cryptozoological topics. With field investigation spanning

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six continents and nearly every corner of the United States,

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Ken has become a leading voice in the search for

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elusive creatures. He's the author of the Essential Guide to

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Bigfoot and has appeared in over one hundred television episodes,

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including Monster Quest, Missing in Alaska, which is one of

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my favorites and The Proof Is Out There. Ken's research

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blend's folklore, witness accounts, and scientific inquiry, making him a

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respected figure in both academic and paranormal circles. Whether trekking

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through remote forces or speaking at conferences nationwide, Ken continues

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to push the boundaries of what we know about North

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America's most legendary cryptis. And that's our guest tonight, Ken

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again thanks for joining us, buddy in vance, I'll let

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you get us kicked off.

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Thanks Sean.

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Well, one question I did have for you, Ken in

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your neck of the woods where you live now, which

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none of us will give out that location, but is

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there any hotspots in your area?

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Yeah, I was actually well about two hours north of

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me is a very iconic hot spot I guess place Pulled,

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all New York, Okay, was up there recently for the

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first time. It was a pretty amazing experience, but actually

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I can't remember it might have been there. In fact,

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when I was speaking to someone that came up to

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my table and he said he had found a pretty

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good big foot track.

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Near where I'm living now.

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So he actually knew me to locate the exact location.

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It's probably only about, you know, a few miles up.

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I'm in the cat Skills, I mean, we can reveal that.

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So it's you know, I'm kind of in a somewhat

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of a squatchy area, I think, But I haven't found

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a lot of reports on databases or anything like that,

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but you know, I'm close to the Adirondacks cat Skills obviously,

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how there is an active team out here, and of

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course I heard a really you know, Western New York.

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I was going to say, as we get you know,

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closer to pa and stuff, I mean, we got the

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Alleghany Mountains there. I heard a really good report from

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the Alleghanies. Recently, a couple came up to my table

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at the last event and they were very credible. They said,

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we never gave Bigfoot a second thought. We thought it

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was a joke, a legend, whatever. And we saw this

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thing running up the hill on two legs and it

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turned back on us and they said, we are one

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hundred percent shirt that was bigfoots. I get those kind

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of reports, So yeah, I'm excited. I had to be

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up here in the Northeast and see what's shaken good.

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So just a follow up question, do you have a

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particular favorite of this cryptid research in what you are doing?

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Man?

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I get asked that all the time, honestly, Yeah, And

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you know I used to joke.

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Well, after this, nobody will ever ask that question again

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because everyone will see it.

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True.

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I used to joke with people that my friends who

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were parents that well, you know, I can't you know,

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it's like choosing your favorite kid, and they'd.

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Pull me say yeah, you do have a favorite.

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I didn't know that, but no, honestly, people ask me

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that a lot. I love investigating all of them, you know,

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the diversity is really attractive to me, in the diversity

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of the field. But I guess I always kind of

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fall back on thunderbirds because that's kind of how I started,

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you know, in this field, or making a name for myself,

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you know, twenty five years ago or whatever, is investigating reports.

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There weren't any other research was really focused on that

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at the time. And I've you know, I've collected so

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many reports. I have a pretty active database of a

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couple hundred fairly credible sightings, and I don't know, honestly,

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it seems far less credible or probable than something like this.

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But I love the thunderbird mystery. I would love to

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see a giant bird with a fifteen or twenty foot

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wingspan soar overhead.

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I think that would be pretty cool.

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Ken At the last conference that Matt and I did

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in Central PA, we had a gentleman share his thunderbird's

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report with us, and he said, this thing had at

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least a fifteen foot wingspan on it, and he felt

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like it swooped down at him when he was in

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his backyard, and he said the only thing that he

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thinks prevented him from being actually captured was that his

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back was against the wall of his building and felt

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maybe that was the saving grace for the encounter. But

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he described it as a very large black very large,

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like I said, huge blackbird with a fifteen foot wingspan.

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And I don't know, Matt.

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After you and I talked to him, I was pretty

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convinced he experienced something.

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Yeah, yeah, definitely, And I mean to me, it sounded

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it sounds very similar to the to the condors, but

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he said, this was just so much bigger. The other

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thing too, Ken is north central PA is a hot spot.

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Oh yeah, thunderbird.

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So you're in You're in a great area.

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There, Now that's true. I actually went out there about

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two or three years ago. I did a little mini

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expedition out there, and I went to all the famous

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locations where oh gosh, I can't even think of his

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name right now. I guess it's it's a little bit

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late for me. But there were a couple of researchers

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back in the day that were collecting around of ports.

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But yeah, I'm kind of I'm on the Susquehanna River

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now kind of fire up, but the Susquehanna River Valley

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in north central Pia Potter County, Powder's Port, Kettle Creek,

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Jersey Shore where a lot of those places long history

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and tradition of thunderbird reports.

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You're right, that's literally my backyard ken the whole. Yeah,

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and actually right near our area. So we got to

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get you out here to check out those those spots

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with us and our research area. I think you'd be

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pretty I think you'd like it out here, to be honest.

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Sounds like you've already probably been there. Yeah, it's beautiful

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up there, not too dissimilar from here. But yeah, that's

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definitely right. And actually coincidentally, there's a Golden eagle migration

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going over right now. We have a bird watch that

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and I grew up to up here on the mountain

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and help the Audubon Society and you got to be

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willing to really brave the coal. But I'm really looking

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forward to trying to see this Golden Eagle migration as

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it comes out.

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That's going to be pretty amazing.

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So well, that's pretty interesting. I wasn't aware of that.

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That is there a particular like, is that an ongoing

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thing or is it is there going to be like

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a couple of weeks where it's more engaging, We're going

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to be able to have like more chances to observe it.

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from Canada, a lot of them down to some of

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the southern United States.

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So yeah, I guess.

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I guess there's a specific time we went up there

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a few weeks ago when we saw like forty six hawks.

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That were migrating. You know, they were just in a big.

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Well you know what too, this is a time of year,

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and this is the time of year where they mate

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because ingestation period takes place over the winter, then comes

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spring they're building the nest. So yeah, they kind of

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congregate together, and you know, it's kind of like a

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hawk nightclub.

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I guess I'm not sure.

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Here, I'll pass along a real interesting little tidbit. Fact,

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less than five miles from More I'm at, which I'm

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thirty miles due west of Chicago. Every spring, we have

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a Pelican migration that comes within two miles of where

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I'm at, and they just load the lake up with pelicans.

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I'm like, who would have thought you know, northern Illinois

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would have pelicans, but yeah.

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We do. So the show's really gone to the birds.

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Yeah it as will see what you did there, dad joker.

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Yeah right, anyway, I'm sorry I digress, but no, I

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mean those thunderbirds are a huge part of cryptozoology. I

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mean it's something that doesn't often get talked about in circles.

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The only time can I really get to talk about

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is when I see Stan Gordon m oh.

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Yeah, right, stands awesome. He'll uh every time, He'll leave

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messages on my phone all the time. Ken, I've got

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a thunder report marse sixteenth nineteen, names two four individuals and.

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Such a sense.

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He's like a paper reporter. Stan is awesome though funny,

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you know he's great.

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Yeah, he is great.

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He's got great recall and ye like he's the same

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with me. Kenny's always sending those reports over and like

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with with stanying to get like two seconds of pleasantries

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and it's right in the business.

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Love.

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I love it.

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But you know, more so you moved out to the east,

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which is you know you moved back to the East.

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Correct, No, I wouldn't really say back. I kind of

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moved back to the north north right right, And I

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was texting my friend in Buffalo today. I said, Man,

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it's it's started snowing out here today. It's November eighth.

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I haven't experienced this for fifty years, which basically I

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grew up in Minnesota. So when I was born in

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Michigan and grew up in Minnesota, so I was about

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maybe eleven, So I remember, you know, snow, And I've

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worked in Alaska and Canada and stuff, so I've encountered snow.

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But yeah, this is weird living somewhere where you're driving

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going I'm driving, so hmm.

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It's like riding a bike though, come on, you don't

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forget Yeah.

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No, you don't, like write a squad right right down.

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So I mean, aside from the Thunderbirds there, Ken, what

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drew you into the Bigfoot mystery? What what hooked you?

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Oh? Man?

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Well, what I always tell people, you know, I grew

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up loving monster movies. I was raised on Godzilla movies

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and Creature from the Black Lagoon and all that good

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stuff from the back in the day. And my father

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was a forestry professor. He taught at Michigan State and

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then the University of Minnesota.

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But so I kind of.

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Grew up in the woods, and it was a big

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collector of critters, you know, salamanders and snakes, and my

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first pet was a caman alligator and so I so,

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when I was about eight or nine years old, I

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was watching Saturday morning cartoons, probably Scooby Doo and Memory

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Surgery correctly, and there was a news break and they

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did a little short segment on bigfoot. I'd never heard

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of it before, and they showed a clip from the

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Patterson Gimlin film pictures of guys holding plaster footprints, and

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it was just it was like a light came on.

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I thought it was the most amazing thing ever, that

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this thing seemed like an animal of some kind unknown

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to science or whatever. But it was also kind of

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a monster, you know, big and hairy and scary and monstrous.

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And so.

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It's just been a lifelong passion of mine. I certainly

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never planned to make a career out of it. I've

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just been very blessed and you know, just stuck with

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my passion or obsession, I guess. But I tell people

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I've never seen one. I've been researching for decades. I'm

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convinced I've heard them a few times at close range.

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I've found other physical trace evidence, footprints and things, and

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of course I've interviewed hundreds of people that have had

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amazing experiences encounters, and so it all becomes very convincing,

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you know after a while.

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Right, yeah, no doubt, Ken, you know what's foreign to

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me is at times you know, we've you know, been

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arguing over the Patterson give On film, not arguing. I

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think most of us can settle on it actually you know,

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probably being a creature more than a man in the suit.

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But you know, and first initial impressions with me or everything,

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as with most people, when I first saw that when

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I was a kid, at no point in my mind

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even did I go to that's a man in a suit.

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To me, it always looked like an animal. And you know,

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I guess kind of the question for everybody in the panel,

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for those of us that do you know or do

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think you know? Lean more towards the Patterson film being real.

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You know, I have a hard time understanding how people

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look at that and say it's a man in a suit,

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Like where did that first inclination come from? Like even

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trying to play Devil's Advocate, I can't see it right.

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Well, the interesting just an interesting little tidbit to throw

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into that is, when that was shot, Planet of the

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Apes was a thing. Now, I'm sorry, the costumin a

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Planet of the Apes was nothing compared to what you

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saw with Patty. But Ken, I need to ask you

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a question because your experience is extremely similar to mine.

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I was watching Svengouli and they broke in on Sengouli

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and showed the same thing that you just described. But

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my question to you is, did you think at that

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time when you saw it, that was the only creature

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that existed?

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Oh, Ben, I can't say that, but I'm gonna channel.

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I actually have a piece of the Patterson Gimmon film

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site right here. This is a piece of the Biggest

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Night you see laying across. It's still there. It's rotty

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and stuff.

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But uh.

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No, I never never really thought that.

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Well, I mean, I guess when I thought there there

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was just the film from California and the footprints, I

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guess I thought it was maybe more of a of

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a West coast.

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There was a.

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Population over there, you know, in the area of northern California,

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in that deep wilderness area. And then of course the

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uh short either after I watched the Legend of Boggy

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Creek and you know, a huge influence on many big

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Foot researches of my generation. And what that did is

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it shifted the paradigm of Bigfoot from the West right

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in the United States. And you know, they never really

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say the name Bigfoot in the film. I think they

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say Yetti one time, right obviously what they're talking about

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in the movie, like that's Bigfoot and now it's in Arkansas.

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You know, So that kind of opened up that whole

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my whole perspective in terms of, okay, wow, these things

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are you know, spread out across the US or something.

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So well, especially with technology becoming what it is today,

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there's a lot more reports that are influx especially with

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you know, sites like DFRO, and people have a little

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bit easier of a time having their experience and a

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place to put their experience, whereas back in the sixties,

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seventies and eighties that just wasn't a thing unless you

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wrote a book and then you have to hope, you know,

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that somebody would buy your book or check it out

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from the library. But you know, so yeah, at different times,

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more reports.

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Yeah, I just kind of took a little heat for

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that when I said, you know, in like the seventies

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and eighties, there wasn't a whole lot of literature on

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it like there is now, and by it there's not

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like even libraries maybe had a handful of books if

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you were lucky. And you know, just today and Ken,

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you've been a contributor to that, you know, writing books

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on the subject that didn't exist when we.

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Were younger men.

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You know, we really had to wait for information as

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opposed to now when it's at our fingertips. How do

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you think technologies advanced this field? Do you think in

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terms of the dissemination of information it's been overwhelmingly positive

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or do you think it's been given a lot of

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opportunities or you know, what do you really think?

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Well, that's a great question, Sean. I guess, first off,

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social media has been a huge I think that has

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been a huge contributing factor in terms of the well,

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for example of my own situation. You know, it's been

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a lifelong interest of mine. But then when the Internet

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came out in the late nineties, you got online and

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you could find, oh there's other people interested in bigfoot.

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There's a forum here, and there's a group here and

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it was like there was suddenly there was networking, and

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so I kind of cut my teeth, you know. I

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joined a Bigfoot group back in the day through this

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group and showed up at a conference and met people

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like Lauren Coleman and John Binder Nagel and stuff, and

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then it was like, you know, so definitely social media

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has been a positive contributing factor in terms of bringing

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people together and collaboration.

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You know.

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On the other hand, I find now that I'm constantly

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having to spend a lot of my presentation time sort

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of challenging a lot of these kind of misrepresentations online,

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you know, bad information and falsehoods and assumptions that people have,

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Oh I heard this and I read that, and you

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have to say, no, that's that was debunked. You know,

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here's the actual story and so forth.

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So it's it's.

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Very difficult for people that are on the outside of

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the Bigfoot field, I think, perhaps to figure out what

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is what.

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Is the truth? You know, is it?

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So? So yeah, the technology is kind of you know,

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like everything in life, it's a double edged sword, right,

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so you take the good and the bad there. But

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you know, I think with AI and this is I've

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become a strong advocate now of you know, with AI,

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now we really have to completely disregard any photographic evidence, right,

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Are we beyond photograph photos and videos?

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At this point?

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I feel like, you know, what's what's the merit there

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in terms of if people are so are able to

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so easily create videos and.

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Right right, and I can only imagine that probably three

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to five years from now, it's just going to be

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practically impossible to tell AI from an actual footage unless

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we go back to the original way of doing things,

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which Sean and I have discussed on the show a

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number of times. To use actual film where you can't

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manipulate it.

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Well, you know, it's a lot harder to do.

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Yes, it's a lot harder.

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But if you're shooting something, you know, on sixteen mil

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or whatever, just a film camera or movie, no, that

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would be pretty convincing. Maybe the high definition of it

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wouldn't be as good, but you know, try going to

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the Walmart and buy a camera. Good luck with that.

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But I think, oh, sorry, but I think a conversation

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that was had on Stark Talk with Neil de grasse

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Tyson was he said, the Internet's going to do itself

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in in about five years, because there's.

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Going to be so many fake videos that people are

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just not going to believe any of it. And I

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think the same thing is going to happen with this,

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And like we had a rush, you know, we talk

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about this all the time about how we help people

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fake a sighting, we help whatever.

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We had a rush of fake castings and fake sightings

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and fake whatever, and then eventually people stop listening to them.

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You know.

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I mean, like I don't want to I don't want

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to say that I believe in everything the man says.

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But when a certain man said fake news, he knew

471
00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:27.400
that was a word that put people on put people

472
00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:30.279
on track, because unfortunately, we see a lot of it,

473
00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:34.400
you know, and so you you only got to believe

474
00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:36.960
a little percentage of what's going on. And I think

475
00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:39.119
with this feel a lot of it has to do

476
00:24:39.160 --> 00:24:42.359
with the fact is that people who have kind of

477
00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:45.279
seen something want to see more and want to believe more,

478
00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:48.200
and people that are on the fence want to eat

479
00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:51.480
more of this data up. But like the average person's

480
00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:54.039
kind of like, you know what, this is just too

481
00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:56.880
much and they're walking away. And I think I think

482
00:24:56.920 --> 00:24:59.519
you'll see in the probably next couple of years. That's

483
00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:02.680
what I love of these festivals. They have festivals everywhere,

484
00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:04.960
but a lot of them are getting zipped for attendance

485
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:11.680
because too many you know, it's there.

486
00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:13.440
Is, there is and I I just need to interject here,

487
00:25:13.480 --> 00:25:17.400
there is a positive to AI. And we've had this

488
00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:21.839
with our guests like Terrestrial and and our friend that

489
00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:27.680
is a data cruncher where AI uh by we're not

490
00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:31.200
talking about the artistry end of it, but for data

491
00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:37.000
plugging all the all the information in uh it really

492
00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:41.000
does help a lot for those those of us that

493
00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:43.240
are out in the field to get a better idea

494
00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:46.079
on Hey, when's the better time to go out to

495
00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:49.480
the field, or you know, what's a better location, you know,

496
00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:52.319
based on all the data that we got. So it's

497
00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:53.279
a curson of blessing.

498
00:25:54.079 --> 00:25:55.839
Yeah, that's a good point.

499
00:25:57.359 --> 00:25:59.480
I think it's like any other tool, guys, it's it's

500
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:03.599
the intent behind the use of it, and you know,

501
00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:05.400
people are getting bent out of shape about it, but

502
00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:08.079
it's really about how we're choosing to apply it in

503
00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:11.160
what we're doing now. To Ken's point that he had made,

504
00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:15.599
it's getting a lot harder to discern reality from some

505
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:17.799
of these photographs. So I mean, we can all be

506
00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:20.559
honest and saying that Hollywood still has gotten it down

507
00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:23.440
pat yet right like you look at King Kong and Godzilla,

508
00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:28.039
they still look like CGI generated. Start blending the practical

509
00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:31.440
with the special effect, you start spending time in that,

510
00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:34.960
it does get a lot more difficult to discern. If

511
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:38.880
and you know to then go to Baker's point, you know,

512
00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:41.200
and when he said we help people hoax, I don't

513
00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:43.480
want people to think, you know, we're out there helping

514
00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:46.400
people hoax. What he's what he's saying, he's not inferring.

515
00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:50.279
What is We put the information out there so much

516
00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:53.960
folks can really have a field day and really create

517
00:26:54.079 --> 00:26:56.799
almost the perfect hosts that our hoax that they listen

518
00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:00.079
to what we're talking about. But you really do a

519
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.720
good job of putting information out there, and if you're

520
00:27:02.839 --> 00:27:06.319
really good at detail, you might be able to pull

521
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:09.319
it over on us. And so in the quest to

522
00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:15.160
be sharing information and to get information out to the public,

523
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:19.880
we're also hurting ourselves unintentionally. But it's with anything else again,

524
00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:23.400
it's the intent of the use of the tools, I think,

525
00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:26.720
And but you know, ken to your point, it's going

526
00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:28.759
to get there. Well, we're not going to be able

527
00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:31.480
to tell the difference between what was AI generated and

528
00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:34.880
what was really taken from someone's cell phone or video.

529
00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:39.440
Well okay, And with that point taken, there may very

530
00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:43.960
well be software in the future that can identify an

531
00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:49.519
AI product that's being put out there by separation digital separation,

532
00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:52.920
and that might be the only saving grace.

533
00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:57.759
Who's to say it's there now, But there's always a

534
00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:01.559
bigger fish, you know, along the line, someone always got

535
00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:04.279
to break the system and come along and do something better.

536
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:07.240
We then have to get or we are, someone much

537
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:11.880
smarter than all of us has to get has to

538
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:13.680
get into the source code and figure out how they

539
00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:15.119
did it right. They have to be able to look

540
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:17.400
at something right now. Metadata tells the story of a

541
00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:20.200
lot of things. Uh. You know, when you're able to

542
00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:23.440
start manipulating that and make it seem like nothing's touched it,

543
00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:25.559
then it gets a lot more difficult. And that goes

544
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:28.079
well beyond mid and comprehensions.

545
00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:31.240
Guys, So, ken, I don't know if you picked up

546
00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:33.480
on what he just said a minute ago that we're

547
00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:34.400
not that smart.

548
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:39.160
I don't know. You guys are making me think about

549
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:39.559
a lot of the.

550
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:44.319
I'm the thing.

551
00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:46.079
With a lot of this is the other thing that

552
00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:50.720
always you can have real a video that no one manipulated,

553
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:54.160
but you only show me three seconds. Right, That's where

554
00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:57.039
I have the argument of what were you doing beforehand?

555
00:28:57.119 --> 00:28:58.319
What were you doing after him?

556
00:28:58.759 --> 00:28:58.960
You know?

557
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:02.599
And I think that's where like, like we've had, we've

558
00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:05.359
you know, we can we could stomp this all day

559
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:08.640
and still have seven more episodes. But I mean the

560
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:12.039
fact is that, like I think we just need to

561
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:16.079
know that, you know, there's a difference between faith and

562
00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:18.519
there's a difference between science, and.

563
00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:20.400
We all need to be able to blend it, right,

564
00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:23.480
because if you have too much faith, then you then

565
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:26.359
you everything's a bigfoot, and if you have too much science,

566
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:27.559
then nothing's a big foot.

567
00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:29.240
You know, you kind of have to.

568
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:30.960
Blend a little bit. You got to believe a little

569
00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:34.119
bit here and there and then but you're also gonna say, hey, uh,

570
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:35.640
that just doesn't seem right.

571
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:42.880
You know, that's a good point. See, now we're a

572
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:44.079
little bit smarter.

573
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:45.000
All right, Right, we.

574
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:50.160
Hit the bottom of the hour here, so we're gonna

575
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:52.039
have to go and take our break. Folks, you're listening

576
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:56.119
to Sasquatch Experience, Sean Forker, James Baker, Van Stezbat, Henry May,

577
00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:59.160
Matt Arner, and our guests tonight, ken Gerhai, we'll be

578
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:00.119
back right after this.

579
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:05.279
Stay tuned, Newstead A symbol.

580
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:12.839
I believe in Bigfoot.

581
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:15.480
I think Bigfoot's real, but I think his whole thing

582
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:16.480
is that.

583
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:23.279
He uh, you see what you're camping, here's camping. Your

584
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:24.519
tent opens up and you're.

585
00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:32.039
Like, oh man, it's Bigfoot, and he's like, nobody's gonna

586
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:32.440
believe you.

587
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:40.160
Bro Ah, Yes, well doesn't that paint a disturbing picture? Well,

588
00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:43.160
happy evening to you all from the news center here

589
00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:45.880
at the big Foot Bullhorn, and I hope this finds

590
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:50.519
you all well. And speaking of John Fetterman, there was

591
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:56.880
a witness account from Pennslvania. The witness the witness, yeah

592
00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:59.960
I know how to speak vance trust me. The witness

593
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:05.680
a statement is as follows. We were traveling westbound on

594
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:09.039
I eighty and when he says we, it's he because

595
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:13.000
the wife later goes on to make her opinion be known.

596
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:17.240
So this is coming from his perspective. We were traveling

597
00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:20.880
westbound on I eighty in Pennsylvania, which is funny because

598
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:25.079
I could throw baseballs from my house onto Interstate eighty.

599
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:27.920
As a matter of fact, there was a mountain lion

600
00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:31.319
that was hit on I eighty, not very far from me.

601
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:35.200
So go figure, when you think of where I'm at,

602
00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:38.039
I'm sure you think of a metropolis, and it's really

603
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:40.720
not where I'm at. But anyway, this isn't about me.

604
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:46.319
They were near mile marker one sixty nine no snicker

605
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:50.160
in Baker, following another car which was about one hundred

606
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:53.440
and fifty yards ahead of me. I was matching traffic

607
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:57.200
speed at seventy seven miles an hour. There are four

608
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:01.480
lanes of paved roadway, two for driving on, and then

609
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:04.640
there's a shoulder on each side. Looking ahead at the

610
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:08.519
car in front, I noticed something in the center of

611
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:12.720
the right shoulder. It began moving to the left towards

612
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:16.079
the car in front of me. I immediately thought, what

613
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:19.680
the hell is he doing. He's gonna get hit. I

614
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:22.079
thought it was a person at first, because it was

615
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:27.039
moving in an upright position on two legs. It crossed

616
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.960
in front of the car. How far in front I

617
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:34.839
really don't know, but I could still see some portion

618
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:38.319
of the head above the car in front. It was

619
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:41.119
a Subaru. Man, that's pointless, who cares what kind of

620
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:44.480
car it was. I thought for sure there was going

621
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:48.680
to be impact, but I continued and passed in front

622
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:52.319
of the cars. At that point I had some more

623
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:56.480
clear visual on it. It was completely dark, all the

624
00:32:56.519 --> 00:33:00.319
same color from head to toe. There wasn't any thing

625
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:04.079
that stood out that was different in appearance. It had

626
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:08.160
more of a slendered, slim build, you know. It was

627
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:11.640
the way it moved and crossed the road that shook me.

628
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:16.680
Nothing quicker, jerky, like a sprinter. It was fast, but

629
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:20.640
almost like a glide or sliding motion to it. The

630
00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:25.519
whole incident may have lasted two to three seconds. It

631
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:31.319
disappeared over the rail completely effortlessly. It never stopped to

632
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:33.279
climb over it, and I thought, well, maybe there was

633
00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:36.000
a cutoff there where the state troopers would like to sit,

634
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:41.319
but there wasn't any. My wife was in the truck

635
00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:44.559
with me, but was taken in the scenery outside the

636
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:48.480
passenger door window. She did not witness, but heard me

637
00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:51.839
yell what the hell was that. By the time she

638
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:56.400
looked towards it, it had already crossed the road. After

639
00:33:56.440 --> 00:33:59.599
seeing what I saw, we checked the Internet, and there

640
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:04.519
are other reports in the same area Bullbeagle Park, Penn

641
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:09.039
State and Milesburg. I just want to add I know

642
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:11.519
what I saw, but I don't know what I saw.

643
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.840
I'm an avid hunter with fifty plus years of experience

644
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:15.559
in the woods.

645
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:17.920
This one's not a bear.

646
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:25.360
Interesting. The glide thing comes up yet again when we

647
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:28.519
come back. Let's get on our bicycles, put on our shorts,

648
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:31.599
and take a nice ride to Febuary.

649
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:38.199
You're listening to the big football horn right here on

650
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:40.079
the Sasquatch experience.

651
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:55.000
As anybody ever told you. Hey, nice knockers. If not,

652
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:59.880
just visit got knockers dot org read about the encounter.

653
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:04.199
They kick this whole thing off. Plus you com purchase one, two,

654
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:08.159
three or more tree Knockers. I'm not sure what you

655
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:11.960
thought we were talking about. Gott Knockers has a plethora

656
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:16.159
of gifts and merchandise two from awesome apparel, ware, and

657
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:21.440
even something for the baby. Find jewelry and sauceage to

658
00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:25.079
please anyone's taste. Bud stop on buy and give a

659
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:28.760
hello to Gwendolyn and Michael herself. Now that you know

660
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:32.360
where to get some great knockers. They make fun gifts

661
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:37.599
or accessories for the squatch bag. Just visit Godknockers dot

662
00:35:37.719 --> 00:36:02.719
Org again. Got Knockers dot org. So before the break,

663
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:04.920
did I actually say let's get on our bikes and

664
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:09.679
put our shorts on? Because that would be kind of awkward. Well,

665
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:14.519
guess what, folks, It's the third annual Bucks County Para Con.

666
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:19.920
It's coming up February twenty eight, of twenty twenty six.

667
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:23.239
Some of the speakers will be Dominic and Eric Mantel,

668
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:30.039
Jim Krugg, kod Trina Weedman, Nick Pope, and of course

669
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:33.360
Ken Gerhard. I know him from somewhere. I just can't

670
00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:36.880
put my finger on it. This location will be at

671
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:43.320
Zeelock Performing Arts Center, located at two seventy five Swamp

672
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:50.760
Road in Newtown, Pennsylvania. Hope you're there. Thanks again for

673
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:54.079
listening to this edition of the Big Foot Bullhorn right

674
00:36:54.119 --> 00:37:00.159
here on Anomalous Entertainment's Sasquatch Experience and is Ken your

675
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:03.800
heart always says to a big Foot meet again.

676
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:19.519
I'm sure you folks miss that the big Football Horn. Everybody,

677
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:24.519
Thanks Vance for that uh wonderful mid show break. As

678
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:27.159
always Vance Nesbit folks, send your email.

679
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:30.960
To Vance No spend it to Sean, Send it to

680
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:36.639
Sean Sean Attention me, Anomalist Entertainment.

681
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:42.960
The dance Nesbit, bicycling shorts.

682
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:44.320
What I'm moving about.

683
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:51.840
To address that one thing report you brought up from Pennsylvania.

684
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:52.400
Matt and I.

685
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:58.679
Emails and messengers have been blowing up within wanting to

686
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:02.360
get our take on it. And I don't want to

687
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:08.559
speak for Matt, though I will. This whole Central PA

688
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:11.960
or State College PA thing has been kind of problematic

689
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:19.280
because of just being put out there so precisely to

690
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:24.960
where these sightings have happened. It's really contaminating what Matt

691
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:26.440
and I would want to be able to do and

692
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:30.559
kind of keeping the the area secure for any kind

693
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:33.320
of evidence gathering or anything. Also to say nothing, if

694
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:37.480
you really look into some of this, you know that's

695
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:42.079
major roadways where this is happening, and hopefully we would

696
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:44.440
have more than just one or two eyewitnesses popping out

697
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:46.960
with us, particularly at the time of day they reported

698
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:49.880
that sighting. Matt and I I have a little bit

699
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:53.719
of concerns about that considering the frequency of the traveling

700
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:54.320
of that road.

701
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:58.199
So I believe that was like five PM. Yeah, that's well,

702
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:02.480
it wasn't dark out, you know, and it's heavily traveled.

703
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:05.719
It's not a lightly traveled road, so no, it's an

704
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:07.599
inner state. Yeah right, Matt and I.

705
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:10.000
Will be getting out to check this out. We were

706
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:11.880
going to go Sunday, but we both had some things

707
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:14.519
going on, So we are going to be getting out

708
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:16.800
to those areas rather we have an invitation or not.

709
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:21.119
Because this is the second report we've got from that vicinity,

710
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:25.599
I mean, and then there's other antilar reports that have

711
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:27.360
happened around that area. We're going to be checking out.

712
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:30.519
So stay tuned, folks for more on the state college

713
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:33.119
situation down there. Matt and I will be investigating. We'll

714
00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:36.079
get back to you promptly soon as we get out there.

715
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:38.079
But the show's not about us. It's about Ken.

716
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:38.760
Ken.

717
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:41.239
Get out our guests and we're going to go from

718
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:48.000
central Pennsylvania to let's see Alaska. How did you get

719
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:51.000
roped into Missing in Alaska?

720
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:51.280
Ken?

721
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:54.519
Because actually I really enjoyed that program.

722
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:57.519
Oh thank you. Yeah, that was quite an adventure and

723
00:39:57.559 --> 00:39:59.400
it's hard to believe it's been ten years since we

724
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:05.760
filmed that. But let's see. Uh Man, I don't remember

725
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:08.039
how the discussion started but I know they were talking

726
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:16.679
to several possible cast members cryptid investigators and actually my doppelganger,

727
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:19.639
Lyle Blackburn, he was He and I had the same

728
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:21.760
TV agent at the time, and they were talking to

729
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:24.559
him too, and he said, no, that's too cold, man,

730
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:27.159
I'm all about swamps and I don't want to I'm

731
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:28.719
a Texas boy. I don't want to go up in

732
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:30.440
the cold. So I was like, you know, he kind

733
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:34.599
of stepped aside, so he took himself out of there.

734
00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:34.639
There running for that one.

735
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:40.000
But yeah, it was it was an amazing experience I had.

736
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:42.760
Alaska had been high on my bucket list. I'm sure

737
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:45.199
high on many people's bucket lists for a long time,

738
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:49.199
and so yeah, it was just one of those things.

739
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:52.760
I guess they reached out to me and we're auditioning

740
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.239
cast members, and of course I had never met the

741
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:59.239
other cast members. We the three of us kind of

742
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:02.519
did a little, uh skype call if you remember skype

743
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:07.039
back in the days, but we did a little Skype

744
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:08.320
call and we talked about.

745
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:09.400
You know, how are you know.

746
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:11.840
Of course they had never done any television. I'd done

747
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:15.400
a little bit at that point, but yeah, it was

748
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:18.880
quite an adventure. You know, I will, I guess ten

749
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:21.320
years removed from my NDA and all that kind of stuff.

750
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:24.159
I frequently tell the stories about how you know, when

751
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:26.159
the producers were first talking to me, they said, oh,

752
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:28.719
this is going to be very scientific. It's going to

753
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.679
be like monster quests and science and science. And I

754
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:33.840
was like, oh, this sounds great. And then when I

755
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:37.639
got up there, someone at the network had the idea, well,

756
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:39.920
let's make this a little more fun, you know, and

757
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:43.280
so so ultimately it was a little bit of a

758
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:45.920
of a challenge for me. You know, I told them

759
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:48.719
from the beginning, I know, I seem like a professional weirdo,

760
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:51.480
which I guess I am, but I have a lot

761
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:53.960
of integrity in this field and credibility and I'm not

762
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:57.840
going to fake anything or hoax anything. So there were

763
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:02.280
there were some maybe some tempted shenanigans by the producers

764
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:04.559
here and there, and I ultimately made some of them cry,

765
00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:06.840
and it was you know, but you know, we we

766
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.280
figured out a way to like, you know, let's let's

767
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:11.519
do this thing. We're here, and you know, I was

768
00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:15.280
definitely fascinated with, you know, not only the Alaskan version

769
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:18.480
of Bigfoot, but I mean, the opportunity to investigate Lapin

770
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:23.519
thunderbirds and Lake Leo'mna monster and right Rock and the

771
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:25.760
Cushtaka and all these things that I had heard about.

772
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:28.000
I was like, Wow, this is you know, it's again

773
00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:31.199
about the diversity. You know, let's let's look at Alaska

774
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:36.920
has a great wealth and diversity of legends and creatures

775
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:41.079
and all kinds of things. So UFO activity even so, Yeah,

776
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:41.920
it was a lot of fun.

777
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:46.480
Now that I mean, once you guys moved on from

778
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:49.599
Alaska and there's been in the last maybe three or

779
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:54.840
four years, once again a huge focus on Port Chatham

780
00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:58.599
and other areas. What are your thoughts on that, you know,

781
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:03.039
especially that show Alaska Killer Bigfoot. You've been in these places, ken,

782
00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:06.280
you know, do you get frustrated because sometimes it seems

783
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:08.280
to be a little bit more fantasy than reality.

784
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:12.039
Well, yeah, obviously, and you know we've come full circle

785
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:13.840
to what we were talking about earlier. You know, there's

786
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:19.000
there are advantages to the Bigfoot shows and programs in

787
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:21.960
terms of getting you know, people more into the subject

788
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:25.199
of Bigfoot, and then there's disadvantages in terms of sometimes

789
00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:27.159
they overplay their hand and they make it a little

790
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:30.320
bit you know, a little bit too much fiction and

791
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:34.960
not not so much the embellishment, right, the embellishment and

792
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:39.280
things like that. I will say that, you know, we

793
00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:42.239
got pretty close to Port Chatham. We didn't get as

794
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:45.320
close as we wanted to because of logistical issues with

795
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:47.760
a whole crew and lots of people. But right after

796
00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:50.559
the show aired, there was a local guy in Alaska

797
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:53.280
who sent me an email and he was like, hey,

798
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:55.079
ken Yeah, I saw you were up there Port Chattle

799
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:57.079
and it looked a little bit different. He said, I

800
00:43:57.119 --> 00:43:59.440
went out there by myself. This guy like freaking wrote

801
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:03.039
a kayak act like to the Kenai Peninsula, camped out

802
00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:05.599
at Port Chatham by himself for like a week. I mean,

803
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:09.000
so why are these all you know, suddenly you have

804
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:11.360
this community of people that are terrified at Bigfoot, but

805
00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:13.719
like a real Alaska person will go up there by

806
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:16.920
themselves and be like, hey man, you know here I

807
00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:21.159
am so. I mean, I think Alaska has more, I

808
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:27.320
mean probably more potential to harbor an unknown species of

809
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:31.320
large place to scene type hominin than anywhere else in

810
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:33.119
North America. I think we could all agree on that.

811
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:36.679
I mean, it's just ridiculous how much wilderness, inhabit thirty

812
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:41.800
seven mountain ranges, and so much coastline, millions of lakes.

813
00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:44.639
I mean, it's just it's it's incredible. So I think there,

814
00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:47.760
I think if Bigfoot does exist, we would definitely be

815
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:50.800
able to make the argument that that's where we're most

816
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:54.360
likely to find them, I think. But yeah, I think

817
00:44:54.639 --> 00:44:59.079
a lot of the again, the embellishment, as Dance was saying,

818
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:02.559
I mean, it's just u you know, it erodes from

819
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:05.719
the reality of what we're all in this for, which is,

820
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:07.400
you know, to try to prove that this thing really

821
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:13.480
exists as improbable as it seems to the public at large.

822
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:14.320
You know.

823
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:17.159
I also its just sense a bad tone that you know,

824
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:20.039
every time you go out there, you're going to experience something,

825
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:23.519
and you know, Matt and I, at least in our presentations,

826
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:26.119
we are really trying to give the emphasis that Bigfoot

827
00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:28.920
and can be boring and most of the time you're

828
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:31.280
going to come up empty, and that you know, these

829
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:35.239
shows still entertaining don't give you the accurate representation. Then

830
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:41.159
when you're even more like stoked by the mythos of

831
00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:44.199
places like Alaska and you have all that great scenery,

832
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:49.239
it's even more difficult to kind of take folks back

833
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:51.639
and say, hey, you know what, you think it's boring ear,

834
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.079
you have things that can really kill you up there

835
00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:57.280
in Alaska that you're dealing with, let alone some sort

836
00:45:57.280 --> 00:45:58.079
of killer Bigfoot.

837
00:45:58.119 --> 00:45:59.599
So it's kind of a different temperature.

838
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:02.320
But to think it's all going to be Bigfoot is silly,

839
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:05.599
and I don't like people to get that expectation. But

840
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:08.039
one of the things I love is, particularly with the

841
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:11.559
small Town Monsters Crew Ken going out to those places,

842
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:13.480
I think they've given a lot of credence to what

843
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:16.719
that's really like. They're had a friend Larry Baxter, who

844
00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:19.760
spends a lot of time out in who lives in Alaska,

845
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:24.480
that you know, it's a great place, beautiful scenery, but

846
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.920
that doesn't mean again, Bigfoot's going to be in your

847
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:35.320
backyard stealing huckleberries every half, right, And if Bigfoot is real, Ken,

848
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:37.679
what do you think it is like? Do you have

849
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:40.039
a in your mind? Do you kind of have it

850
00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:42.480
narrowed down to a couple different conclusions, or.

851
00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:50.119
Well, I have my favorite hypothesis, and I guess tragically,

852
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:54.800
with the passing of Jeff recently, you know, I feel

853
00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:59.280
like the number of Crancians. I consider myself descended from

854
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:02.079
the Crancian line of Bigfoot researchers, and you know.

855
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:04.519
I'm an aper. I'm still in on the apor thing.

856
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:08.599
You know.

857
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:13.599
It's it seems to look like many of the hominins

858
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:16.159
that were evolving in Africa about two million years ago,

859
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:18.360
you know, although they were much shorter, but when you

860
00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:22.559
look at things like Parampupus boisei and some of those

861
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:25.400
robust australopithesenes home on a letti, things like, you know,

862
00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:28.480
they were basically bipedal apes. They still had they were

863
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:31.920
a mosaic, They had primitive characteristics, but they walked up right.

864
00:47:33.320 --> 00:47:36.440
They may have used very primitive tools, but probably just

865
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:40.039
like you know, stone flakes and things like that, they

866
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:43.280
didn't use fire. They had most of them had the

867
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:46.639
kind of the reduced cranium, you know, half half the

868
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:48.760
brain capacity that we do. So they had the course,

869
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:52.800
the sloping back forehead and the head shape and the

870
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:54.920
sagull crest and things that people off in the port

871
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:58.000
with bigfoot. So it just seems to me like the

872
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:02.599
most pragmatic explanation is if things like Bigfoot basically did exist,

873
00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:05.559
you know, two million years up to maybe a hundred,

874
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:10.039
you know, hundreds of thousands of years ago in African Asia.

875
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:14.880
Why can't Bigfoot just be a relict population of those

876
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:18.079
or you know, an evolved population from that same lineage.

877
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:19.960
I mean, that seems to make the most sense to me.

878
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:23.599
I just kind of have a conversation with Cliff Berrickman

879
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:27.800
and Matt Preuitt, like, you know, a worst a worst.

880
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:30.440
You know, you know, I got called and that was

881
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:31.599
a little offended by that.

882
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:39.000
I'm like Hills, an apor and an apist, ready to

883
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:43.440
have it, you know. But I guess in my mind,

884
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:48.400
like it leaves physical evidence, it has physical presence. Uh

885
00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:52.840
And while maybe it there's a chance and some maybe

886
00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:58.679
slight chance it has some abilities, maybe we don't. It

887
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:00.760
still doesn't have to take away from the fact that

888
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:01.280
it's core.

889
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:02.039
It's an eight.

890
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:07.719
And I think once we can prove it exists, then

891
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:09.599
maybe we could start talking about some of the more

892
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:11.960
fantastical elements of it. But until then, I think we

893
00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:15.760
really have to stay kind of grounded. Can at least

894
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:18.199
it's just my thought of let's prove what this thing

895
00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:21.079
is and then we can go to the you know,

896
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:24.519
the crazier notions. Once we have something to show for

897
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:25.760
all this research we've done.

898
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:30.960
Yeah, I agree, one hundred percent. And I have a

899
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:34.280
new presentation that I've been doing called the Sasquatches and

900
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:39.239
Undiscovered Species, And I really do, at least for the

901
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:42.440
luder part. The beginning of the presentation, I talk about

902
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.440
cryptozoology and how new things are being discovered all the time,

903
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:48.000
and how much wilderness is left on our planet and all,

904
00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:51.199
you know, kind of building a case for the possibility

905
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:56.639
of an undiscovered eight or large species. But the latter

906
00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:59.400
half of the presentation, where I asked the audience not

907
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:01.599
to throw on megetables at me, I basically try to

908
00:50:01.800 --> 00:50:05.840
argue against this whole idea of an interdimensional, paranormal Bigfoot,

909
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:07.119
and I bring up a lot of I've done a

910
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:09.719
lot of research in terms of where this idea came from,

911
00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:13.920
how it became ingrained in you know, popular culture, how

912
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:16.719
these ideas kind of evolved in the starting in the seventies.

913
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:19.599
But I mean, if you look at the horsemen of

914
00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:22.079
our field, I mean, none of those guys ever concluded

915
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:24.599
that Bigfoot was paranormal. I'm not aware of any of

916
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:27.639
them seeing orbs or cloaking bigfoots. Or anything like that.

917
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:31.280
So why do you why can you disregard two hundred

918
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:35.039
and fifty years of combined research from all those pioneers

919
00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:37.559
in the bigfoot field and then suddenly you know, it's like,

920
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:39.800
oh no, it's something else completely. You know that these

921
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:43.119
guys never never came to those conclusions. But anyways, I

922
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:44.960
don't want to make any enemies here today. I'm not

923
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:48.280
trying to. There's anyone in your eyes. I'm open minded,

924
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:51.639
but it just doesn't seem like the probable conclusion.

925
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:56.480
Yeah, but I'm okay with making enemies because you know,

926
00:50:56.559 --> 00:50:58.800
I've been doing that for thirty years of this.

927
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:00.960
You know, why where did it come from?

928
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:01.199
Where?

929
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:04.320
When did we descide this was something more than just

930
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:04.840
an ape?

931
00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:05.039
You know?

932
00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:08.440
And it's you know, and that'll be another topic for

933
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:10.280
another show. We'll save that because we could go on

934
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:13.039
a whole episode for that. But Henry, you did have

935
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:14.639
a question. I wanted to make sure you got a

936
00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:18.800
chance to ask it to Ken You there, Henry, Yeah,

937
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:19.840
I had a question.

938
00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:24.960
I'm here and I had a question for Kea about

939
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:30.159
the Dwendy and the sisamite. M h, what are those?

940
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:32.599
Yes?

941
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:35.679
Well, in two thousand and four, I mounted an expedition

942
00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:38.679
down to Belize, the Maa Mountains and Belize in Central

943
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:43.719
America to investigate accounts of two mystery hominins. One is

944
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:48.480
called the Duende, which in Spanish means goblin, and it's ivan.

945
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:50.599
Sanderson was the first one to point out that it

946
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:53.480
wasn't just a fairy type thing, but that people were

947
00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:57.039
describing He had spoken to locals who described as like,

948
00:51:57.320 --> 00:52:00.880
basically like the orang pendeck, kind of like a pigmy

949
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:03.440
sized bigfoot, about three to five feet tall, but still

950
00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:08.239
very robust, with broad shoulders and a peaked head. And

951
00:52:08.559 --> 00:52:13.639
there's also the sism Cisamito or sis Sisamite, which is

952
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:18.039
basically described just like a sasquatch, And a lot of

953
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:21.119
sightings from southern Belize from the Blue Creek, a place

954
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:23.159
called Blue Creek Village, and I spoke to some Maya

955
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:25.719
people from down there and they said, yeah, it's just

956
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:28.840
it's a gorilla that's about seven feet tall, it walks

957
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:30.519
like a man, and it lives up in the mountains

958
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:33.800
and so, and there was a recent account of some

959
00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:37.920
giant human like footprints being found near a shrimp farm.

960
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:41.760
So all I could not a lot of recent reports

961
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:45.079
that I was able to glean, but people, many of

962
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:48.079
the old timers talked about hearing the screaming and calling

963
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:53.280
and whaling sounds coming from the mountains. So I actually

964
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:56.159
do a presentation on Bigfoot south of the border. A

965
00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:58.119
lot of people aren't aware that there are a number

966
00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:02.079
of big Foot reports in Mexica, throughout Mexico and also

967
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:05.000
down into Central and South America. So Bigfoot does not

968
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:09.480
recognize any border walls or political delineations or anything like that.

969
00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:11.719
He just keeps going where the habit.

970
00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:16.639
Is question for you. I don't remember specifically the year.

971
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:19.239
I want to say two thousand and two, but the

972
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:20.760
discovery of the Billy ape.

973
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:23.440
Yeah, it's about right, you know.

974
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:27.880
Yeah, but it's the same description of you know, six

975
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:33.199
foot tall, bipedal chimp type of creature. Anyway, it's not

976
00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:36.159
a chimp, but it's part of the primates.

977
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:36.840
But it is.

978
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:42.440
Well, okay, I don't know that much about it other

979
00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:44.480
than the discovery of it, and I found it pretty

980
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:48.880
fascinating that, you know, here we are, our DNA is

981
00:53:48.920 --> 00:53:51.960
telling us we're the only bipedal creature on the planet,

982
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:55.000
and then this happens. It's like, oh, that's different.

983
00:53:55.360 --> 00:53:57.159
But I can't be the only one that gets excited

984
00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:00.480
about the Billy Ape being proven that it exists, even

985
00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:05.239
if fan z or I don't care, because that started

986
00:54:05.239 --> 00:54:09.039
off as ken and you probably agree with us as legends,

987
00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:12.840
this eight that could break the neck of a lion,

988
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:17.079
and you know, the villagers were all talking about this,

989
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:19.039
and again in US honkeys are like, oh, it can't

990
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:22.360
be real, we don't have proof. But then they get

991
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:26.159
it on video and like that's exciting, and you're talking

992
00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:28.960
about a discovery in the twenty first century.

993
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:32.960
Yeah, and not just similar from the recent discovery of

994
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:38.480
the top Anulla orangutan pongo top of Neulliensis, which you know,

995
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:41.639
they kind of knew they were there, but nobody really

996
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:44.400
you know, they were rediscovered and then you know, they

997
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:47.000
did DNA testing and said, wow, these are like actually

998
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:51.599
bordy and orangutans in Samatra, and so yeah, I mean

999
00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:54.960
that's these are all very you know recent examples that

1000
00:54:55.639 --> 00:54:59.519
large apes you know, are are still yet to be discovered.

1001
00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:02.360
Perhaps right, And I get excited about it, particularly again

1002
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:05.159
we go back to the Billy Ape, and you know,

1003
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:08.920
because there's so many to me parallels to that to

1004
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:15.280
bigfoot right, large bipedal at times primate. And that's also

1005
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:17.320
a testament of our science. You know, we're getting to

1006
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:20.679
the point we're able to collect these specimens and get

1007
00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:25.960
concrete DNA. What if the point comes and we collect

1008
00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:29.320
a sessimen and we realize that some of these samples

1009
00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:32.280
we collected long ago have been this all along, and

1010
00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:37.519
maybe it does share more commonalities with other primates than we've.

1011
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:38.239
Expected it to.

1012
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:42.079
And again we go through you know, the Fopper record,

1013
00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:44.639
and we go through the human tree or the you know,

1014
00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:48.440
the tree of apes or whatever. Who knows what is

1015
00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:51.920
in between those branches. You know, we're covering new stuff

1016
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:55.440
all the time. That's really exciting to me. And I

1017
00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:59.320
don't know, we go down again another topic. We go

1018
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:03.280
down for all these I guess my final question before

1019
00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:08.800
I ramble on into oblivion, ken to you, what is

1020
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:13.920
the most compelling piece of evidence you've encountered and big footing.

1021
00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:16.280
That I've encountered?

1022
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:20.239
Oh gosh, Well, August eighteenth, two thousand and three, I

1023
00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:24.199
was with some other researchers down in Texas. Chester Moore

1024
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:27.360
was one of them, and we had heard of recent

1025
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:29.840
bigfoot sightings at a place called Cottonwood Lake. So we

1026
00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:35.159
went out there one night and right after sundown I

1027
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:38.880
heard we all heard and recorded deep grunting sounds sounded

1028
00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:43.440
just like an ape, just like that coming at us

1029
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:45.559
from the brush. We couldn't see it. It was a

1030
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:50.239
heavy brush. We tried to flush it out. We saw

1031
00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:52.159
some eyes shine and we shined a spotlight in there.

1032
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:53.599
So it was a whole bunch of stuff going on

1033
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:56.559
that night. But the next morning we made camp and

1034
00:56:56.599 --> 00:57:00.360
we heard like Ohio hall vocalizations all night long. The

1035
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:02.760
following morning, we made our way through the brush where

1036
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:04.519
we'd heard this thing, and there were deep human like

1037
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.920
footprints in the sand on the beach, and I've got

1038
00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:11.559
pictures of a number of large turtles had been ripped

1039
00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:14.280
in half from top to bottom, like literally torn in half.

1040
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:16.920
And you know, I've.

1041
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:19.480
I've raised turtles, and you know there's like there's no

1042
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:22.280
I mean, there's nothing that can rip a turtle in half.

1043
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:24.079
I'm sorry. That was like to me, it was like

1044
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:24.760
the human like.

1045
00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:29.760
Footprints, the vocalizations, and those mutilated turtles. I thought, Okay,

1046
00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:31.960
this has got to be Bigfoot. I can't think of

1047
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:34.800
any other rational explanations. So personally, that's the best thing

1048
00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:38.239
that I've you know, at least for me, kind of

1049
00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:40.639
turned the page and said, Okay, I'm you know, really

1050
00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:41.440
onto something here.

1051
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:44.880
This seems to be real. So that's a pretty good

1052
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:45.519
example of that.

1053
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:47.519
Yeah.

1054
00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:49.559
One of the things we found up this way, because

1055
00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:52.400
you kind of mentioned turtles, is we've been finding half

1056
00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:53.400
eaten frogs.

1057
00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:55.239
Oh it's kind of like.

1058
00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:59.760
Strown about for no apparent reasons, and freshwater clams just kind.

1059
00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:05.840
Of oh, yeah, they love molluscs. That's something that's universal sasquatch.

1060
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:08.039
And where we're finding and we really shouldn't be finding that.

1061
00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:11.480
So it's interesting up in the Alleghanies, I mean in

1062
00:58:11.559 --> 00:58:15.320
terms of just land on land close to water. So

1063
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:18.440
who knows what's doing it, but we're going to find out. Ken,

1064
00:58:18.920 --> 00:58:20.719
It's been a pleasure. We're already at that time for

1065
00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:24.519
the night. Yeah, any final thoughts or shameless plugs or

1066
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:26.400
anything you'd like to do before we end the show.

1067
00:58:26.800 --> 00:58:31.639
Well, I'm picking up my online cryptozoology course. If anyone's

1068
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:34.800
interested in that, they can go to Exploring Cryptozoology on

1069
00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:38.519
Patreon or with me up on Facebook. In the middle

1070
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:40.679
of session two, so I'm doing a class on living

1071
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:43.239
dinosaur cryptids here in a couple of weeks and then

1072
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:47.119
we're covering all kinds of good stuffs. I've had a

1073
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:48.840
lot of success with it, and people seem to really

1074
00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:51.360
enjoy it. So if you really want to get really

1075
00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:54.199
in depth on a whole bunch of different types of cryptids,

1076
00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:56.360
look up my online course.

1077
00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:00.360
Ken Gehard folks a great friend and we're glad to

1078
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:02.000
have him on the show. Was finally nice to sit

1079
00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:04.880
down with him at the last conference we were at together. Yeah,

1080
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:07.800
you know, folks travel these conferences sometimes you don't get

1081
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:09.599
a chance to not work and just kind of hang

1082
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:13.079
out and enjoy the company. So it was Ken, it

1083
00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:14.800
was good to see you. Thanks for popping on with

1084
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:17.559
us tonight. Thank you, Thank you.

1085
00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:18.599
Great to be here.

1086
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:21.599
One one more programming note.

1087
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:26.079
The latest episode of Investigating Investigation Bigfoot with Matt Arner

1088
00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:29.000
and myself and the Small Town Monsters team is out.

1089
00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:31.840
If you're a squad member, go to YouTube at small

1090
00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:35.039
Town Monsters check that out. If you are not a

1091
00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:38.679
squad member, you can see that dropping later on this week.

1092
00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:42.199
It's a continuation of the mini series we have going on.

1093
00:59:42.320 --> 00:59:44.800
It's a fun episode. I do a lot of hugging

1094
00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:45.559
in that episode.

1095
00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:48.639
I don't know what I thought.

1096
00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:53.320
I was a lots of hugs, but uh okay again taking.

1097
00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:56.719
Of small town monsters. Speaking of small town monsters, I

1098
00:59:56.800 --> 00:59:59.559
want to highly recommend the Siege of Eight Canyon.

1099
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:05.039
Oh yes, I think that's released for everybody tomorrow, correct,

1100
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:07.440
even yeah.

1101
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:12.320
Eleven eleven And if you were a Kickstarter, you've already

1102
01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:15.119
had access to it. So guys, I mean it's you're

1103
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:17.679
going to enjoy it. Lots of great content coming your way.

1104
01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:19.480
And again we'll be the old head and say, I

1105
01:00:19.480 --> 01:00:20.679
wish we had this stuff.

1106
01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:23.480
When we were growing up. A whole new generation.

1107
01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:27.639
Uh so, Henry, take us out with those dulcet tones,

1108
01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:33.559
My friend, Henry, you'll be good, be good at it.

1109
01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:38.199
There it is, There it is again in two weeks.

1110
01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:45.880
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1111
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:54.440
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1112
01:00:54.559 --> 01:01:10.440
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1113
01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:11.960
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