June 9, 2025

EP 125: An Open Forum

EP 125: An Open Forum
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Season 11

Taking a break between guests, the SE Crew discusses various topics.


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The views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch

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Experience do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the host, sponsors,

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or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener discussion

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is advised. We got some one or something rolling around

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out here?

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Does a legend walk among us working in the forests

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of our world?

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Did you see what it was?

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Was it a person or an animal?

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Or I can't go all the orgy?

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If my thunder light came on and I heard happen

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to glen and see the thing running across the yard

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A good fight man or something works like a man,

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I don't know what it worked.

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For over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators,

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and witnesses trying to gain in certain proof around the

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existence of this mysterious entity.

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Quite cal.

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Hello, get somebody out here.

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What could I announce that invented about?

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I don't know.

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Easy anount there? Yeah?

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The woking right?

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Ay? Okay, hang on, yeah, got it?

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Big?

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Okay, what are you doing here?

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Yard?

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We're gonna do.

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Join us as we continue into the investigation of the Sasquatch.

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Experience and good evening.

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Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. I'm Sean the f chop Forker.

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That's Henry Mary Vance and has been down in the

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corner and we have a interesting show for you tonight.

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We may be a little bit technical difficulty as we

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got Vance whose computer gave him the big middle finger

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while he was loading up today.

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And Matt's a.

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Signment with the double bill mill right.

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So you know, again, as I like to tell the

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critics on that that portal that we use Apple iPad

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podcasts and Spotify that complain about the audio quality, you

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ain't seen nothing yet.

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And we don't know how bad.

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We can get because we used to be on this

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platform called blog talk Radio, which believe it or not,

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back in the day was really good and Steve calls

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over on Squatch GTV put a neat little blob up

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about it. The Steve, of course one of the first

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shows on blog talk radio, Big Photo Air Paranormal, and

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then of course we came on to the scene and Henry,

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you and I started that in October two thousand and

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six over there on blog talk and you talk about

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audio quality.

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Today, I was going through to do a.

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Like a reboot of an old episode to get it

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out the A Sasquatch Experience Classic and James Baker sounded

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like he had a reggie and somebody cut his tongue off.

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So I'm working through that audio to try to get

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that so folks can listen. We have a lot of

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these old episodes back there.

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That audio quality was kind of like Alexander Graham Bell's

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first speech, and.

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Of course you know it's not regular without just trying

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to get some of.

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Our chats to show peer.

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Scott says, Hey, gang, hanging out on the Facebook tonight.

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It's great to see us. Scott, Thanks Scott.

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Executive producer Brian Corbin, Evening, gentlemen, good evening to you

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my friend Scott of course and Brian both Patreon supporters,

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which you two could support us for as little as

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two dollars a month two dollars a month, and we've

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got some great Patreons. We want to take a moment

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and thank them each and every show for the support

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they give us, because it does help pay the bills,

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it does help use equipment. We're going to be making

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some modifications here to see if we can get the

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audio better and replays because when we hear it live

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sounds much different when you hear it in the playback.

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So Bill with us. You know, I keep saying it

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gets better.

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It does.

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We've been putting out content though.

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Last week we had a video from Henry, a couple

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of videos from Baker. Matt's got one in the pipeline coming.

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Up to you.

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I put out a video. Vance always brings you the

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big Foot Bullhorn. So we've got a lot of content

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coming your way, and we hope you stay tuned and

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enjoy that because you've got a lot more coming as

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the summer months come. We get out in the field.

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I know Matt's been out there stopping around. We've got

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a lot of things planned. So Matt, why don't you

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go ahead and give them a little bit some of

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the things you've been up to.

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Well, I went.

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was able to get my trail cans from up there.

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So I'll just kind of like, you know, nip the

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suspicion on the one. I thought it was in a

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great spot and I literally only got two pictures and

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there were all the people. One was me and the

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other one was a straight hunter, you know, walking through

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the area. There was not one thing found on that

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game camera.

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Other than that the other one.

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On the other hand, if you go to either my

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Facebook page or the LG Plateau Facebook page, I put

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up a video of I put it up in October

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of last year. It was right after we had the

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incident where we found a footprint and I found a

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good spot.

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It was about two and a.

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Half three miles in off trail and it was just

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a perfect place. So I put this camera up, and

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every single day I was getting deer coming through. I

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was getting I got what I believe is a fisher

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cat that came through, which was really really interesting. That

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all ended on November eleventh and November eleventh, a large

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black bear with looking at the eyes. You don't actually

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see the bear itself, but you can see the the

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width between the eyes came through and absolutely, I won't

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say he demolished it, but he ripped it down from

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the tree where it was. I found the straps I

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thought they were initially I thought they were cut, but

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whatever this was must have just sliced right through it

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or chewed right through it.

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But I do have that video.

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Of basically the camera's last few pictures, So that is

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on the Facebook.

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And I go ahead and check that out.

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Man.

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Yeah, I do have another camera for you to put

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up there. We have it in a awesome supply closet here.

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And I have to tell you just and I'll let

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you carry on here just a second. But videos, it's

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funny because you mentioned the eyes.

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Yeah, well, if you.

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Put that video out there and gave no context, how

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many people do you think, oh my god, it's eye shine?

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Oh yeah, video, right, because yes, yes, it's it's it's

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a very good video, I think just for the initial

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because you don't see the bear like you see you

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do not right, It's it's a very it's.

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A great video for people that need to have a

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little education on bears.

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Sure. Sure.

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And and again when you went to that eye Shine,

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somebody somebody laying say, oh my god, you know, and

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the bear does move and he moves very fast. You

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literally see that at the beginning of the eye shine,

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and the movement in uh less than you probably about

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a half a second, and then it goes around and

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uh so but when you look at it, uh he he.

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Kind of goes up a little bit.

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Uh and he's about the height of and when I

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see his head pop up, he would be about the

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eyes about as tall as a dear.

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So he may have gone up on his on his

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hind leg a little.

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Bit and then just to kind of get a sniff

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and then and then come over.

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Uh.

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But definitely seeing the you know, as soon as you

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see the fur. Uh, that's one of the big indicators.

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And again you know, being familiar with the with the

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black bears, seeing the way the eye placement was, Seeing

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the width. Uh, that's probably the biggest thing, is the

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width of the eyes. And no longer one yes, oh

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absolutely another another thing too. And and I was thinking

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about this, I told you in a private chat, I

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said when I was coming back and I and I

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think I included this on my video as well. I

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heard what sounded like like a possible tree knock, and

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I'm going through I didn't think it was a bear,

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But the more and more I'm thinking about it, I

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think it was the I think it was a bear.

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That was what they called a jaw pop. They popped

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their jaw. And that's not really a good thing to hear,

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uh because basically what they're doing is they're they're they're

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popping that that joint out so that they're getting ready

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to attack. Now, I heard this down down in the

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ravine probably, and what we have is we have it

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will go down at a.

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At a steep angle.

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Then you have what's called a shelf, which will be

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anywhere from you know, it could just be a couple

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of feet wide to you know, struggle, you know, a

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yards wide, and then it'll drop down again. I think

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it was about two shelves below me. But I heard

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that it sounded like somebody taking a Ditchie cup and

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go like that. And I heard on two consecutive vacations,

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so I'm thinking more and more, especially with it being

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with Salas being with with cubs, that it was probably

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an overprotective mother that was probably letting me know that

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it was uh, you know, they don't they don't get

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to see humans back there all that much. So even

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when during the prime honting season, I walk out one hunter,

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uh going back in that area, and that was it. Uh.

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Usually any other place with with that type of environment,

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you you'd see at least a handful of people, but

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this one here, it was, you know, just absolutely desolate.

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So I'm gonna go back.

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I was talking to our friend Mike Ann about cameras

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and batteries because I'm thinking the battery is.

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Probably what drew the bear in.

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So we're going to be talking about that over the

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next couple of days and going for there other point, Matt,

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And I'm sorry.

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I didn't mean to interrupt him.

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Oh no, no, no, no, Only if.

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It's a battery thing, or if it's a scent that

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the petroleum in the plastic of the cam itself is

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attracting these things, because this is this happens quite often

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where a bear will just want to gnaw and chew

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on a trail cam. And I don't know, I have

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no evidence to say yeah or name, but I'm wondering

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if it's a scent that's being given.

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Off by the plastic and the petroleum in that plastic.

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So funny story. When I got the game camera, it was.

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It was, and you will see it on the Patreon

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video when I when I'm able to get that done.

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There's no teeth marks on it.

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Okay, So, but the ones where I thought it may.

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Have been a human is the.

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Is the lid where you have your batteries in your

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your game camera was actually uh that was manipulated somehow,

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and I think that was probably from the bear trying

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to get in. So uh so either work, you know,

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I'm gonna talk to Mike about it and uh and

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get some recommendations. Also, there's you call them bear boxes, right, so, uh,

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which is something to protect it.

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So I'm going to get that uh switching.

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Oh yeah, no, I'm sorry, Matt. Like I said, folks,

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bear with us. We're on a little bit of delay today.

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Bear As Vance was talking about though, that's one of

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the things we find interesting is the bear scent. Like

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that's what attracts them to things like coolers and refrigerators, right,

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It's the formaldehyde and the installation of those things. Yes,

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and the bears have an excellent scent. Uh well, you know,

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much more better than us. I don't know how they

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handle their own stinky asses, but they do.

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But no, to your point, when you see the camera

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were lays, it looks like somebody kind of just.

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Sit on the ground there.

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I mean, it's not shoot up, it's you know, it's

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really the video footage seems a little.

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Bit more violent than the outcome, right or it's it's

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just interesting.

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But I'm glad you got it and you talk about

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this area where we you know, interact. You know, we

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haven't had a lot of bear activity up that way,

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but you and I tracked a big one.

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That one, well.

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We didn't track it to its end terminus that we

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knew it was a bear, but we could tell by

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the size of its its pause it was it was

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a bear.

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And so we know they're.

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Up there, and it's some of the dangers that we

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do run into having to deal with you know, real

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I don't want to say real wildlife, but known while life,

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and folks just got to prepare yourself of knowing it's

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a good You know, when something takes down your game

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cam doesn't mean it's a big foot. When something attacks

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your campsite doesn't mean it's a big foot. You know,

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there are things you can do that can keep yourself safe.

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And like.

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You know, allerd to there a moment Ago alluded to

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the jaw popping. That's not a sound you want to hear.

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That's a bear in distress. That's an aggravated bear. And

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you're a few moments away from being a hot lunch

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if you hear that. So get to know these things.

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My biggest fear is snakes. I'm not a huge snake guy.

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I could care less about them. Matt, and I spent

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a lot of time in the single most infested rattlesnake

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area in Pennsylvania, and I've been watching some videos, Matt,

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and I'll tell you what, My comfort level is getting

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so much better because I'm understanding the animal more than

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I was beforehand. I know why they're important, and I

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know the danger signs and what the look for to

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kind of stay away from those areas where they're probably propagating.

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Yes, and and honestly, I mean, you know, I hate

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to put yeah, there's a word for it, and please

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chime in on it.

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And when you give human emotions to.

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An animal, exercise, Yeah.

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But to probably put it the best way is the

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snake doesn't want anything to do with us, you know,

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like that's why it loves out there, you know, like

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it's not it's you know, they they they don't want

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to be around humans. So they try to go in

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these you know, you know, god forsaken places, and uh,

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you know, when they see human they're like, yeah, you know,

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they're not coming out and attacking us unless you step

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on it, or unless you unless you're a threat most

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most bites are to the hand, you know, when somebody's

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going to grab something.

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There's a few bites that are too Uh. There are

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common bites to the ankles, but uh, the more prevalent

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bite is to the hand.

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Uh.

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And they see that.

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As a as a threat, and they're gonna they're gonna,

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you know, take uh take ash on that.

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You know, I'm not gonna try to touch it or

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bother it.

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So yeah, and James Major are welcome.

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We can't hear you, but we see you. Now. We

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can't hear you, but we see you. Rangers report to

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the commander immediately go ahead their match. So we got figures.

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Yeah, I was gonna say, uh, you know, we had

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that going on, but now and I kind of I

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kind of I kind of put something into the uh

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in with the chat before. But uh, we ended up

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we're in Kentucky on a little MANI vacation. Beautiful state,

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but we drove the back roads of West Virginia too,

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uh to get to where we're at. We want to

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take the scenic route and it was totally amazing. And

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and once uh, once we ended up getting here, I

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went on the big Foot mapping project and the amount

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of sightings and the territory reminds me of the area

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where we do our research in.

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So we can.

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Get you know, two of our friends, less Odell or

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doctor Russ Jones to come on the show and to

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elaborate on some of the West Virginia sidings.

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That would be fantastic.

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And and I was even looking at you know, possibly

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doing uh, doing a trip down in the late summer

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when historically there there have been a number of sightings there.

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Right, Yeah, Kentucky is a hot spot.

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It is believe that our not Yeah, no, Kentucky has

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a numerous amount of really interesting sighting reports that I

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found completely fascinating.

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But I've been through Kentucky numerous times.

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I could understand why it is that kind of a

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terrain and however you want.

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To decide to landscape natural terrain.

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But yeah, I would see Kentucky is a very prominent

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spot that you could.

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See something that we haven't discovered yet.

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Vance got lucky in Kentucky. But trying, still trying, James Baker,

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try again.

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No love, love can keep us together, Bakers trying tonight, guys,

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we are getting smiled by this is an open face.

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So if you're in the chat and you have a question.

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Shine them through Henry.

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We've been looking at that lovely, shiny happy face there.

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What's going on in Henry world?

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Well, I've put together a list of all of my

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big shirt books, and I've had to constantly updated because

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I'll be like, oh, yeah, I've got that book.

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Oh yeah, I've got that book. So I had to

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constantly updated. But I put my list on Facebook, so

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you guys want to check it out on my page,

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you can't.

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Henry, how many are you up to? Now?

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One hundred sixty six?

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Wow?

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Look at you. I'm so waiting for the Henry May

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book to come out, so that to be autographic to me. Now,

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yeah book.

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Maybe or maybe not.

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That's going to be the title of his book.

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Well yeah, Bigfoot last right? Yeah?

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One thing one?

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Oh, I was gonna say a suggestion, uh to anyone

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on on Henry's page.

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What I did?

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I mean, that list is incredible and there's so many

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books in there that I haven't read and I'm really

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waiting to. So what I did was on on Facebook.

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I actually saved Henry's post.

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Uh.

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That way, I can you know, I don't have to

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go searching for it. It's on my safe list. I'm

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looking for something to uh, you know, to read. Boom,

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you know, I'm going away to Henry's. I'm telling you

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that the two big ones in the in the community

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are Henry and Daniel Prez.

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Between the two of.

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Them, you know, they have the best listing of books.

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So kudos to Henry for an awesome list.

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Yeah, I thought I had a lot until Henry started

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listing them. But what I think is amazing, And Henry,

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you could probably give a little bit more context to

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this is like years ago, maybe they were only like

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thirty or forty books, and now there's so many now, Henry,

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the question that people want to know is, and be

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honest with us, do you have the big photootica books

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as part of that bibliography?

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Will no?

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Huhh yeah, See we were wondering I would have gone

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for those first well VANSASM I was surprised, right, So

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that's not in the Henry May literary collection.

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Huh whoa, whoa?

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All right, Well, listen, someone out there cares about them

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because people are buying them or people wouldn't be writing them.

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But in all series business like, talk about that a

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little bit. Henry like when I was.

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A kid, the library may have had four or five

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books on Bigfoot, right, and now there's just so many it.

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Takes an entire aisle in a library now.

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It sure it is.

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Coortually.

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I think my library, well all your hands, the big cookbooks,

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they used to add quite a few.

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Well maybe when you leave the mortal coil, you can

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donate yours.

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To a library.

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You know, I keep telling my kids that, I mean,

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I'm going to live for one hundred and fifty I'll

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probably you know, books probably won't be a thing then.

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Maybe I don't know, but my collection's going to be

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left to somebody who will appreciate Bigfoot books. Maybe the library,

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because again, as I was a kid, we didn't have

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very many and the Handcock publisher Handcock House Publishing carts

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weren't everywhere across the United States. And now you're fuck

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if you could buy books even at uh well, there's

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I'm sure fewer bookstores now than ever.

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It's just incredible that the times have changed.

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And now even having them digitally, it's nice because you

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can keep your you can keep your library with you

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virtually anywhere you go.

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If there's just something about.

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Having a book and when I fall asleep at night

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reading a book, it doesn't hurt nearly as much as

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if I drop an iPad on my face, which hurts.

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It's it's not a.

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Funny, nice soft paper pages I see.

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Right, Yeah, better than a glass screen cracking you across

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the bridge at your nose. Oh boy, guys, it's nine

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twenty five. Let's take a break here and play the

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big Foot Bluehorn, and then when we come back we'll

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talk about maybe some of these some new things in

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the bigfoot world. So smoke them, if you got them,

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shake one off. We'll be back well after this.

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If you have to tinkle, is what I meant you

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big foot born. And I love Armenians.

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There I love.

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They're just Harry bastards. That's all that is. There's just

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they know it.

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They're Harry.

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I have a good friend, his name is.

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Call him Tony.

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Right one.

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Then I walked into the room he was changing.

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I went to his house and pick him up.

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Wo he was changing. I swear to god, I thought

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he's wearing a sweater with nipples.

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It was the harrys It's the harrious man.

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He did like a freaking bigfoot.

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That's I think that's where the legend of sasquatch came from.

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There's no big Foot, there's some Armenian camping naked.

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In the words going hello.

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His Harry was just hanging along and it's.

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Love.

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Our meetings are just hurry, that's all I'm saying.

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Ah.

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Yes, this is exactly why we have a disclaimer at

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the beginning of our show. Seanan, you might want to

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look into how many our minion people are actually listening

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to a sasquat show. Speaking of Armenion people, in Michigan,

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a forty seven year old man and his son were

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bowfishing near Plum Creek and Railroad bridges in Michigan when

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his dog startled something betting in the marsh. Their dog

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went after. What they originally fought was I heard of deer.

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This claim sighting was reported to the BFRO of Michigan.

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Quote.

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All of a sudden, I heard rustling in a tree

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to the left and a huge thud hitting the ground

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from the tree. A big, heavy animal hit the ground

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and crouched and started moving towards me through the brush.

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My dog fired off from the right of me and

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towards the creature. The forty seven year old said in

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his report. The dog almost got to it, but the

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creature shot off extremely fast through the trees and brush.

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The dog chased the creature up a slope and over

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the train tracks. Then I called for my dog to

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come back now. Both the father and the son described

483
00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:14.920
the animal as being as large as a bear, but

484
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:19.440
looking like a gorilla. After following the creature a short distance,

485
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:28.920
they left. You think Bfiroh investigator Moneymaker spoke with both

486
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:31.359
the father and the twelve year old son on the

487
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:35.440
incident and wrote that he believes that both are credible

488
00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:40.359
and freshly descriptive about what happened to them on that

489
00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:42.920
morning just over a week ago.

490
00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:45.440
They reported, this.

491
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:48.920
Incident happened so fast that there was no time to

492
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:52.799
even consider trying to take a photograph of it. The

493
00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:57.079
whole encounter lasted less than ten seconds. The way it

494
00:27:57.119 --> 00:28:00.759
goes on from beginning to end, we can do about that.

495
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:06.039
The whole encounter lasted less than ten seconds period. They

496
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:10.759
don't need beginning to end. Moneymakers stated that the duo

497
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:13.799
reported the creature to be roughly ten feet up in

498
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:17.720
the tree when it jumped down. At no time was

499
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:21.359
it facing the two humans. The point at which they

500
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:22.279
got that CLIs.

501
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:23.359
Look at it is.

502
00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:26.480
When it was ascending the embankment, they could see the

503
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:31.319
hairy back and big butt cheeks pretty clearly for a

504
00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:36.920
few seconds. According to the BFRORO Bigfoot Reports in Michigan,

505
00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:41.279
a relatively common ranking number eight in the nation in

506
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Bigfoot Reports, when we come back, strap your food up

507
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high and zip those tents.

508
00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:54.079
You listening, So the big football hunt right here on

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537
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538
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And as the Kleenex always says, to my runny nose

539
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:40.359
until we meet again them, So as we were taking

540
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:44.960
a break, I just took a moment to post the video.

541
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:48.720
That Matt was talking about onto the Sasquatch Experience Facebook page,

542
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:50.480
so you folks can go check that out and watch

543
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:53.200
the video. Matt did a good job putting it together.

544
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:55.000
So Matt, we thank you and hope you go and

545
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enjoy that, folks again. Facebook dot com forward slash Sasquatch Experience. Also,

546
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548
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So go there, check it out and enjoy. Have a

549
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:12.279
little fun. Guys, We're back.

550
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:15.599
Tonight talking about some things, and Matt, you found So

551
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:19.079
Matt vance, you found some interesting topics you talked about

552
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:24.599
in the news segment. You know, it seems like I'm

553
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:27.279
not going to cast anche here, Matt. Moneymakers getting a

554
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:29.359
lot of investigations going on out there. A lot of

555
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:35.079
these BFRO updated reports, investigative reports are done by Matt right.

556
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:39.000
Well, this as you reported in the news segment, it

557
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:43.240
was reported to the BFRO of Michigan, and then Matt

558
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:46.400
picked it up from there and then interviewed these two.

559
00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:49.240
I had a couple of questions.

560
00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:51.640
From that news report, but I didn't put him in there,

561
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:56.519
which is okay. But I guess the essence in which

562
00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:57.640
you take away from.

563
00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:00.559
It all is that it was a size of a bear,

564
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:02.640
don't looked like a gorilla.

565
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:06.160
And as it was ascending up the embankment to.

566
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:10.240
The railroad tracks, I had a very hairy back and.

567
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:13.119
Harry Buttox.

568
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:17.759
I'm not trying to make fun of it, but hey,

569
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:20.240
this is the witness testimony, and.

570
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:22.680
He felt that that was very credible.

571
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:26.240
Baker any chiming in.

572
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:32.599
There, I'm just trying to why we're harrybacks and Buttoxes.

573
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:36.799
I mean, now, I've seen some horrible things out on

574
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:38.799
the land, but nothing that bad.

575
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:43.319
Henry, Hey opines there?

576
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:49.839
Oh boy, well you have to think about this.

577
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:52.440
This is a report that was given to the BFRO,

578
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:57.799
and I'm not going to say this isn't the incredible court,

579
00:33:57.960 --> 00:33:59.799
but hey, moneymakers doing wrong?

580
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:00.440
Fog.

581
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.799
I remember the Sonoma ritage? Yep?

582
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:09.159
Well, Henry, a lot of people may not remember the

583
00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:12.639
Sonoma footage. You know, we're coming up in a whole

584
00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:15.599
new generation of folks who only know people from their

585
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:20.039
television exploits, not the you know, the research exploits beforehand,

586
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:22.039
and it's okay to be wrong. Can I say that

587
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.239
first and foremost. I don't think anybody is dismissing that,

588
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:28.119
because we've all been wrong a time or two.

589
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:30.239
But go ahead, Henry, you finish your thought there.

590
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:35.360
Well, the Slowa footage turned out to be from Pi

591
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:42.800
and Telor their show called Bullshit Right, And what they

592
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:44.960
do is they got a guy in the suit to

593
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:54.159
walk out there and someone filmed it. So and John Freys,

594
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:56.679
I'm not sure if he's still a BFRO. He was

595
00:34:56.719 --> 00:35:02.719
the one who pointed out it was it was a guy.

596
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:05.079
That John friedis. Of course, what was his project, project

597
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:05.639
Blue North?

598
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:08.599
Was that it? Or Blue North?

599
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:08.920
Yeah?

600
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:13.599
I mean again, folks that people don't have a lot

601
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:17.840
of familiarity with because they're not on TV these days,

602
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:19.480
but a lot of folks that we looked up to

603
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:22.760
in the early part of our research, right, John friedas

604
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:24.960
is one of them, the law enforcement guy that got

605
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.480
into Bigfoot. Who else do we have that we could

606
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:29.000
put into.

607
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:29.800
That same category?

608
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:32.679
You know, Hey, I think I just learned that Bart

609
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:39.039
Katino is starting a YouTube channel up cool So let

610
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:40.440
me see if I can get the name of that,

611
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:43.119
because I think that's.

612
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:44.199
Going to be interesting for people to watch.

613
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:46.719
You know, Bart's also somebody that's been doing this a

614
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:50.519
long time that folks need to know and they need

615
00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:52.880
to get out there and experience small town monsters.

616
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:56.920
Is it's called Study Sasquatch actually is the name of

617
00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:57.519
that channel.

618
00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:01.239
So go check it out Study Sasquatch on YouTube. It's

619
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:07.280
our friend Bart Katino and take a gander, because I

620
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:09.639
think one of the first things he goes after is his.

621
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:14.440
Own thermal footage. But again, as I said, it's important

622
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:17.039
for people to go check out some of these esteemed investigators.

623
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:17.719
They may not have a.

624
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:20.679
Lot of familiarity with, and so we call out some

625
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:24.199
of these reports.

626
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:24.000
You know, this one.

627
00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:25.840
I think it also kind of goes back to what

628
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:27.559
you and I were talking about in Matt with the

629
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:33.000
recent Pennsylvania reports. You know, we're hitting too loose with

630
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:35.960
the data initially because you can't do a really good

631
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:41.800
follow up qurect without compromise, and I have a problem

632
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:44.960
with that. And in this situation, Vance, you know, you

633
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:48.320
said you had some questions. I think this is the

634
00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:50.199
perfect form to share those questions.

635
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:53.639
All right. Well, in that report.

636
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:59.280
It stated that this thing started moving towards them, the

637
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:00.599
father and the son.

638
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:05.800
But then in a paragraph later said never made eye

639
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:08.360
contact with the two of them.

640
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:15.400
It also stated that the dog was trying was alerted

641
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:19.719
to what they thought were dear in the marsh, but

642
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:21.360
this thing was in a tree.

643
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:26.559
That's two contradictory points of view there.

644
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:30.440
How are you moving towards him if he's never making

645
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:31.920
eye contact with you?

646
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:35.000
And why how do you know it's How do you

647
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:36.880
know it's moving towards you? How do you know it's

648
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:38.039
intended is to come to you?

649
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:39.079
Wrnan?

650
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:42.119
I mean you don't need to make eye contact per

651
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:44.519
se to see it. You think general direction would guide it.

652
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:46.760
But you know to your point though, vance you do

653
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:49.679
have some you know, statements, and I think it even

654
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.119
goes back and Matt, I'll go back to that last one.

655
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:54.760
You and I investigated or we talked. He didn't really

656
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:58.719
investigate per se as we talked to the witness. You know,

657
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:00.920
did you talk to anybody at this No? I didn't

658
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:03.599
talk to anybody. Oh I talked to Wes from Sasquatch Chronicles.

659
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:06.559
You know, you know, I made a bigger name in

660
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:08.840
this field than you know, than a lot of folks.

661
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:10.239
It's Wes in terms of.

662
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:14.360
You know, notoriety like those little things stand out and

663
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:17.199
they're important, and it's not the throw shade, and it's

664
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:19.280
not to make anybody feel bad about themselves, but in

665
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:23.800
the moment, it's to think critically, in the excitement, are

666
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:28.719
you really capturing all the information accurately? And are you

667
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.039
embellishing because someone's paying attention?

668
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:35.519
Oh that's a good point, you know.

669
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:39.280
So often we hear what's the impetus for folks to

670
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:41.679
fake bigfoot settings?

671
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:43.000
You're not going to get famous, no, but you're going

672
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:45.519
to get attention. People are going to pay attention to you.

673
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:49.360
Someone's going to listen, and that's important to some folks.

674
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:51.760
And you make about a point.

675
00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:53.960
I mean, how many times have we've gone to conferences

676
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:56.800
and somebody's stood up and has to have the most

677
00:38:56.800 --> 00:38:58.800
outlandish story in the room because.

678
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:01.079
I want everybody look and go, oh my god, that

679
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:02.000
happened to you?

680
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:06.760
Right, And then every time the story just acts and

681
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.679
I understand telling a story like me and Shawn tell

682
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:11.400
stories all the time, and a lot of times Sean

683
00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:12.599
will fill in gaps that.

684
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:14.639
I don't have, and I'll fill in gaps and then.

685
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:16.320
The next time we tell the story, I don't have

686
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:18.880
that gap because I remember when we told the story.

687
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:21.360
It's not that the story changes, not that I'm lying,

688
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:24.519
It's that I don't remember that part as clearly as

689
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:27.360
he did, and then the next time I did. So

690
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:30.360
every time you tell the story, it does get a

691
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:33.920
little writer in descriptive. But then when you start adding,

692
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:36.679
we're also saw an alien and there was a large

693
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:37.599
footprint and.

694
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.039
It disappeared, and then it's blue, and then.

695
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.599
It's blah blah blah. You know, like it brings me

696
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.960
croissants every morning. No it doesn't, Okay, nou, it doesn't.

697
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:50.360
But you know, there's also the art of storytelling, which

698
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:53.880
I think sometimes embellishment happens to keep it interesting for

699
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:56.599
the person telling the story too. You tell the same

700
00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:58.320
story twenty thirty times, you're gonna.

701
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:00.800
Get tired of telling the story. Yeah, it happens.

702
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:03.840
And they even start not telling points of the story

703
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:05.440
because you're like, everybody's heard that.

704
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:08.400
Shit, right, Well, we didn't even tell about my encounter

705
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:10.159
up on the mountain half the time, I forget to

706
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:14.119
talk about the glowsticks, like because in my mind, also

707
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:16.639
keep in mind, I'm still reliving some of the traumatic

708
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:20.159
experiences from the encounter, right, So give some folks some

709
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:26.400
break on that. But I'll say this, some of these encounters,

710
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:30.760
you know, to Vance's point, where do they stop making sense?

711
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:34.239
Where do they contradict it? And where do you go?

712
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:38.119
And some folks are just so eager, I feel to

713
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:41.559
be investigators and to go out and investigate. They want

714
00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:44.199
these folks to see bigfoot because that's when more feather

715
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:46.480
they could put in their hat. Matt, you and I

716
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:49.239
had several encounters last year. The one you went out

717
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:52.199
and investigated, you have a shadow of a doubt was

718
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:55.400
not a bigfoot, and you were not shy about reporting

719
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:55.960
that back.

720
00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:59.079
And I think that's what you know integrity.

721
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:03.239
Yes, we want to be bigfoot investigators, but that comes

722
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:05.639
with the price. That means we have to be honest

723
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:07.679
with the evidence, but to be honest with the narrative,

724
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:09.800
we have to be honest what's being told us and

725
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:13.639
are we capturing it accurately. When I did that phone interview,

726
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:17.239
I had five pages of notes that Matt and I

727
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:19.760
went over again and again, and we'll still go over

728
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:21.719
till the end of time because they're still part of

729
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:24.199
our repertoire, still part of our case files.

730
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:25.119
But at some.

731
00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:29.320
Point when you go through these stories, go through these encounters,

732
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:33.719
you know, are you really trying to find evidence to

733
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:39.480
say Bigfoot is real, or you're looking for evidence to say, hey,

734
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:43.320
this was a bear, this was a person, this was

735
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:44.920
their grandchildren out for a hike.

736
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:47.760
This was not what they think it is. And how

737
00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:48.079
do you.

738
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:52.519
Bring those people to understand that without upsetting them? Because

739
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:56.079
sometimes the people the witnesses are so bought in they

740
00:41:56.159 --> 00:41:58.079
want it to be Bigfoot more than anything.

741
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:01.880
And sometimes you have to stay back and say, is

742
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:04.039
this hurting them, to tell them right to their face

743
00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:06.559
that they may have no clue what they're talking about,

744
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:08.719
or is it better just to kind of let's just

745
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:12.119
get back in the car, you know, and just let's

746
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:13.039
forget you were here.

747
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:17.800
On Tuesday, Santa Savant says confirmation bias is real.

748
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:19.960
And that's very true.

749
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.480
And I think one of the things we're guilty of

750
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:24.559
is we do it on this podcast all the time,

751
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:27.239
and all our podcast friends do it. Is we and

752
00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:29.639
I say this all the time. We give the world's

753
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:34.760
greatest guide to hoaxing. But that makes us need to

754
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:40.079
be more in tune an alert and not take all

755
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:43.440
these folks. If you come to us with a Bigfoot sighting,

756
00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:47.000
we want to believe you. But it's not about wanting

757
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:49.840
to believe, it's about what the evidence is before us.

758
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:54.880
I still want my kids to believe your Santa, I

759
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:56.679
still knowsters.

760
00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:00.800
We want to be age to be right.

761
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:03.960
We are ready to believe you, right, but you've got

762
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:06.920
to show us something. I want my kids to believe in, Santa.

763
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:09.480
I want to feel good moments. I want all these

764
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:13.800
things to be. The reality is most times they're not,

765
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:17.239
and folks need to If we're gonna be serious about

766
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:21.119
this and we're gonna treat this like a legitimate scientific inquiry,

767
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:24.760
then we have to do some weeding in this garden.

768
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:26.639
That's the reality.

769
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:29.440
We have to pull some of these these weeds out

770
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:34.280
and get folks to understand. And right now, so many

771
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:38.559
of these fields of study are converging. Cryptozoology has become

772
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:40.960
the big buzzword in the big field of study, and

773
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:43.480
everybody that's out looking for Bigfoot wants to.

774
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:45.599
Find a dog man that's not real.

775
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.400
But okay, uh, you know, they want all these things

776
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:49.760
to be.

777
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:57.280
They just can't, right, you know, Sean.

778
00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:03.559
On that point, even the most recent sightings in video

779
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:09.119
that had been posted recently, everything.

780
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:12.880
Is still blurry. I don't get it, dude, I don't

781
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:13.440
get it.

782
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:17.400
We just had a hunter said, oh I call it,

783
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:21.119
you know on Bigfoot and it's family across and everything

784
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:23.920
is so undecisive because it's out of focus.

785
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:26.960
Why is this happening constantly?

786
00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:27.840
You know?

787
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:32.079
Vance, I said the same thing as Steve Coles did

788
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:34.320
the analysis on that, and go.

789
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:35.639
Check it out Steve does.

790
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:39.000
We don't do analysis because our smart friends do it

791
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:40.880
for us. So we just go and watch it and

792
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:44.639
re opined because you know, they've already done hard work.

793
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:49.480
But there's magic in that because they've proven to us

794
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:51.239
they're all the same way like we are.

795
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:55.599
Yeah, we want to believe you. Thank you Henriy for that.

796
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:56.639
We want to believe you.

797
00:44:56.960 --> 00:44:59.559
We just need to see it. But Vance to your point,

798
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:04.440
at some point in time, these videos have to clear up.

799
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:08.320
Yeah, I agree, they.

800
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:10.559
Have to clear up. There's no excuse for it at

801
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:11.039
this point.

802
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:14.360
My god, you could watch an ant shit with a

803
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:18.960
new Samsung phone, you know, like, at what point does

804
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:27.760
it not get ridiculous? And it's so frustrating because we're

805
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:30.199
never going to get that evidence we need if we

806
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:35.199
can't improve. I've always said I think national geographic quality

807
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:36.960
evidence would be great.

808
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:43.480
Too, photographic and document evidence, right fighting Sean.

809
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:48.199
I mean, we watch videos of a leopard taking down

810
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:51.440
at deer, right, it's an HD.

811
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:55.880
That and then you get a video that's posted, Oh,

812
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:59.800
hunter caught an entire family of sasquatch mo went through

813
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:00.559
a feel.

814
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:05.280
Really, I couldn't tell if that was, you know, a

815
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:08.599
bunch of via cons moving through the jungle.

816
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:13.000
I can't tell. I have no idea what I'm looking at, but.

817
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:15.360
Yet you have these HD videos.

818
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:19.480
It's just it's so frustrating. It really is.

819
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:22.719
Sandwich sav i'ms in again that says they will call

820
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:24.800
it fake for being too good though.

821
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:26.800
Which is the other side of that coin. I believe

822
00:46:26.840 --> 00:46:27.400
that as well.

823
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:31.159
Go ahead, man, and so, I mean the one the

824
00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:34.039
one point is, though, is when we're going out. I'm

825
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:37.039
a hunter myself, so uh, and I have friends of

826
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:40.679
mine that they like to videotape themselves, and you know

827
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:45.079
we're doing all that. You know, you know, we're out

828
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:47.519
there with our with our cell phones, or we're out

829
00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:52.159
there with a GoPro uh, the National Geographic Cruise. I

830
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:56.559
mean they're out there with you know, the best quality

831
00:46:56.639 --> 00:47:02.920
telephono lenses for long just viewing. So if we had

832
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:08.280
somebody out there who was a photographer, a wildlife photographer

833
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:12.639
that wanted to uh, you know, go sit in a

834
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:16.960
blind for a week in a big foot hotspot, I

835
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:20.320
think our chances of finding something would be, of getting

836
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:24.000
something on film, would be much better than if it's

837
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:28.480
you know, me, Sean James, you know, running around north

838
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:29.960
central PA with our iPhones.

839
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.480
But if we have like I said, the telephoto.

840
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:37.159
Lenses when we go Uptel County and we and people

841
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:40.519
up there for the for the elk Rud, I see

842
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:44.559
these lenses. I mean there is you know, probably three

843
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:48.119
feet long, you know, and they could get every single detail.

844
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.119
If we had somebody like that with that type of

845
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:56.320
equipment out out in the woods, you know, we may

846
00:47:56.360 --> 00:48:00.880
have something. Now. I think Nywak had had done similar.

847
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:06.880
They did have some really high end photography equipment, but

848
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:10.920
for whatever reason, they just couldn't. They just were in

849
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:13.199
the right place at the right time for those photos.

850
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:15.400
Well that's the second part of that, right being in

851
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:16.880
the right place at the right time. But you know,

852
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:20.079
you talk about you know, good photography, you know, I

853
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:23.960
think of my friend, our friend who goes up there

854
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:27.079
all the time in our part, John Green, no relation

855
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:30.639
to the other John Green. But John does some fantastic

856
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:33.679
photography of eagles. If folks haven't gone checked it out

857
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:39.039
John Green Photography. And John had a sighting a few

858
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:42.559
years ago and his camera bag and everything was in

859
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:44.800
his seat and he just you know, it was a

860
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:49.880
roadside crossing. Again we talk about those not being so magnificent,

861
00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:52.320
yet they are. And he saw it disappear into the

862
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:55.400
field and that was it. But you know, you have

863
00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:57.239
to be in the right place at the right time

864
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:00.880
for it to happen, just like thermals, same time, Like

865
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:04.079
positioning and being in the right place is really important.

866
00:49:04.119 --> 00:49:07.400
That's why the importance of associating the data with like

867
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:10.679
the Bigfoot mapping project, you know, which we tried to

868
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:13.800
do years ago in just Pennsylvania with the Keystone Bigfoot project.

869
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:16.480
You know, can we look at the data from moon

870
00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:21.519
phase to time of year, to you know, different situations

871
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:24.760
where can we best deploy ourselves so we have the

872
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:28.320
best chance. It's like storm hunting, storm chasing for a

873
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:32.239
big hairy creature, right, it's no different. The variables are

874
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:32.679
the same.

875
00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:38.599
Yeah, But those tornado videos are pretty clear and decisive.

876
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:40.960
Right, right, that's the difference.

877
00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:46.239
But what I think my you know, vehicles dish camera.

878
00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:52.320
I can clip off my vehicles dash cammer it is

879
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:57.599
so crystal clear, right hi definition. And this is what

880
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:00.159
tries me nuts. And I always go back to that.

881
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:02.599
You know, Mitch Hedberg's comment of.

882
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:05.199
Brudfoot is blurry.

883
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:07.360
It is not the photographer's fault.

884
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:10.719
There is a lot of lout of focused creature run

885
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:12.000
in the countryside.

886
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:17.960
Just think of those folks on the interdimensional platform and

887
00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:20.840
I'll tell you why it's blurry because it's out of phase.

888
00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:24.400
Well whatever that.

889
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:26.920
Part I don't buy into. I really don't.

890
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:31.800
You know, these people are picking up something that's happening

891
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:35.440
in front of them and they pick up their camera

892
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:36.599
to record it.

893
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:39.079
I can take my camera, you can have.

894
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:42.239
Fingerprints all over the lens and it would still be

895
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:46.239
a lot clearer than what I'm looking at is what's.

896
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:49.039
Just recently posted, And it trade me nuts.

897
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:50.239
It's like, come on.

898
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:57.880
If you remember and I referenced what things have actually happened.

899
00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:01.760
Is we also that thing with the deer, and we

900
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:04.000
all had cameras and we were all ready to go.

901
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:05.159
We were even.

902
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:08.159
Talking about seeing stuff, and no one got any pictures off.

903
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:12.440
Yeah, you know, when we saw it coming, we saw

904
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:14.159
that deer was going to get obliterated.

905
00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:16.320
I knew I what I mean.

906
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:20.079
But but my point though is is that like I

907
00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:23.599
get the technologies there and the other thing is there.

908
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:28.039
But I really think that we talk about the evidence,

909
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:30.239
and we talked about the other thing. Though. I don't

910
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:33.079
think our major players are going to find.

911
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:34.119
This concrete evidence.

912
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:38.239
I'll pick Holpman out of them blue because I know him.

913
00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:42.199
I don't see him seeing getting the greatest video on planet.

914
00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:46.119
But one hundred percent it I see somebody, some randomallee

915
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:49.719
on our way home, gets a through dash cam or

916
00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:52.880
some random guys driving and there's a dash cam video

917
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:55.199
that and then he you know, and then they.

918
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:58.920
Find more evidence. I really feel that if this is to.

919
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:03.639
Be those him Blue people, single root vaper.

920
00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:06.239
You know, right, all right?

921
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:07.760
But you get my point though.

922
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:09.400
Well, you know, did you like people here at the

923
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:11.880
point example, how of the future?

924
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:15.679
I'll clear out a picture? Did you get now?

925
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:20.079
You know, between Baker and myself and Sean, we saw a.

926
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:22.079
Deer explode in vaporized.

927
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:23.440
We had the picture.

928
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:30.760
The pictures were called flopping very clear pictures, and I've.

929
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:35.760
Used I used my I used my standard phone. I

930
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:37.480
got to come across the clear.

931
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:39.360
We did not feed him.

932
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:41.559
He was going to be against it law.

933
00:52:41.719 --> 00:52:47.480
I'm really did photographs of it in once than three seconds.

934
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:51.599
We got some really good photographs. We have a really good.

935
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:53.840
Exchange going on in the chat, and I's gonna kind

936
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:56.440
of summarize it here a little bit.

937
00:52:56.480 --> 00:52:58.880
As we go through Sandwich Savant and foot.

938
00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:02.800
Plan, foot Clan goes, I don't think the PG film

939
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:05.159
is even that great once you realize there are people

940
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:09.360
having habituation experiences that are much more entertaining than some

941
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:11.639
passing glimpse, even though it's great video.

942
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:13.519
At a point then we.

943
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:18.360
Go down to Savant, who says, well, as soon as

944
00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:22.039
I find it here, you would think an alleged habituation

945
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:25.360
situation would bear way more fruit. No one has produced

946
00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:29.679
sufficient evidence thus far. That's why I'm highly skeptical of habituation.

947
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:33.719
I am with Sandwich Savant where Alli and I are

948
00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:37.360
lock and step in this one, because that's the biggest

949
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:39.320
problem I have. At some point, when you get these

950
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:42.360
creatures so comfortable with you that you can give them

951
00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:44.519
a freaking hunk of garlic, or it knocks in your

952
00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:46.960
back door. At some point you're going to be able

953
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:49.480
to get a camera picture of it. Hey, commit Hary,

954
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:54.159
and that'll happen. Now, I'm not saying, you know, foot

955
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:55.880
plans also wrong because.

956
00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:57.039
Could there be.

957
00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:02.239
Could there be a gbituation situations going on that people

958
00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:03.079
aren't talking about.

959
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:09.360
Oh I think that happened by my age. That was

960
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:11.239
not an habituation situation.

961
00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:14.199
That was to get a horrible situation.

962
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:17.599
Well, if you watch the.

963
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:20.000
Whole movie, it does plot tire a plot that there

964
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:21.440
is kind of an habituation.

965
00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:22.719
When they explain why.

966
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:24.159
The big you need the duo?

967
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:26.880
You need the duo watch a long way.

968
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:30.719
I don't get Let's see your video.

969
00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:33.239
Let's see your videos, baly in.

970
00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:36.639
O, Henry once I've seen my only ones, but I

971
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:39.519
have it on video doing mouth pops to me and

972
00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:42.519
ringing a hanging ringing a hanging bell at my gifting area.

973
00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:44.599
Well, you know, and that's interesting.

974
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:45.039
So I.

975
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:51.039
Sorry, I'm not.

976
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:53.119
Allowed to say their name because I'm probably gonna be

977
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:57.119
sued one day. But there you go, Henry, you could.

978
00:54:57.000 --> 00:55:01.559
Say you start. Ryan's man just called it a little

979
00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:05.039
bit chat. Yeah, right, Well, what ends the.

980
00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:07.880
Thing is though, if if if if you have a

981
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:12.840
hit habituation situation or when I say that, then that's fine,

982
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:16.159
But then you should be spitting.

983
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:17.960
Out evidence like it's water.

984
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:21.239
Like. Maybe you don't have film, but you should have footprints,

985
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:23.840
You should have scatt you should have.

986
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:28.519
Like if if I got dinner in my on my land,

987
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:30.800
I can walk by the next day and I can

988
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:31.599
tell you where they were.

989
00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:34.480
I go, friends, I got ship, I got you know,

990
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:35.360
if I got a.

991
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:38.199
Little toughs of phone now and then, but you could

992
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:41.679
you can really habituate my property.

993
00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:46.199
So the more if you go back into the archives

994
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:47.880
of the show and listen to I Think It's cooked

995
00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:52.320
Forest creature, it's the name of the episode. Maybe uh,

996
00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:59.800
we had a what perhaps we could consider a habituation

997
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:03.760
situation going on. We did find glops of this big

998
00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:08.440
fricking groopy pancake shit around this house. We did have

999
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:12.920
things disappearing. We did have a car with pictures of

1000
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:16.920
what could be hair print markings on it from when

1001
00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:21.559
it scooched across the hood. But like my dog, we

1002
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:25.239
didn't have photographs of it, right, we didn't have photographs

1003
00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:25.800
of it, And that.

1004
00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:26.360
Was the thing.

1005
00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:29.760
We had some interesting sounds, but we never made it

1006
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:34.679
a big deal because we didn't have what we felt

1007
00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:36.840
was good enough evidence.

1008
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:40.519
And you know those folks, now you know my old

1009
00:56:41.679 --> 00:56:42.800
my old.

1010
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:46.360
Research partner, Ernie Delt passed away, So folks, you know

1011
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:51.280
I didn't bring that up on the show. That's still

1012
00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:54.559
something we're going through in processing. Ernie was a good dude,

1013
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:56.559
spent a lot of time in going through some of

1014
00:56:56.599 --> 00:57:02.360
these old reports. Brings back memories. But you know, the

1015
00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:04.159
scon's point here, why does it seem that those who

1016
00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:08.480
have habituation situations have mostly stories and not physical evidence?

1017
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:10.360
And that's that's a great point. And then I go

1018
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:14.880
back to you know, go back to Cook Forest with

1019
00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:15.599
that situation.

1020
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:18.679
But then I also go into Tom Pale's book The Locals,

1021
00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:22.000
where there's some very interesting stories, you know which ones

1022
00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:25.599
I'm talking about Henry, where these little girl who's death,

1023
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:32.639
that she has ongoing encounters with the bigfoot, Jane's doing

1024
00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:33.480
hand motions.

1025
00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:38.159
So what the graituation? The only question I really have

1026
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:40.360
is that you have to look at it like any

1027
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:42.320
other relationship of the wild animal.

1028
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:44.840
What are they getting out of?

1029
00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:49.760
What the situation? Because like when you feed here deer

1030
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:53.880
getting food, I understand that, okay, but what is that?

1031
00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:57.039
What is the Bigfoot getting out of this coming to

1032
00:57:57.079 --> 00:57:59.360
your house every day? Do you know what I mean?

1033
00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:03.119
And there the things is like, if it's getting all

1034
00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:05.840
these things from you and giving you all these gifts,

1035
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:09.119
then why can't you show us the gifts and like

1036
00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:11.039
get an idea where those gifts were.

1037
00:58:11.719 --> 00:58:13.400
I don't know. Did they get them from? You know,

1038
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:15.480
they get them from a Hallmark story, you know what

1039
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:19.119
I mean? You know, like to be an error.

1040
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:23.760
I have seen some photos of what are supposed gifts

1041
00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:25.840
back to folks that have done some gifting.

1042
00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:29.639
And you know, we have some friends who are really firmly.

1043
00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:32.079
Into the gifting camp.

1044
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:38.920
They are really into that. I haven't seen it.

1045
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:40.199
Really fruitful in my experiences, but that doesn't mean I'm

1046
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:42.840
opposed to the concept of it. But is there a

1047
00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:48.320
I don't know, is it reciprocating gifting with gifting? You know,

1048
00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:50.280
you throw your dog at stick, it brings them back

1049
00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:52.800
to you because it likes it. You bring it at apple,

1050
00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:56.400
it brings you something back. Does it necessarily is it a.

1051
00:58:56.320 --> 00:58:57.280
Gift or is it a.

1052
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:01.639
You know, kill is a mouse that gives it to

1053
00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:05.239
you because you're the it's leader, you know, like.

1054
00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:09.480
Sharing its prayer. I don't know cats.

1055
00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:10.800
I'm a dart person, you know.

1056
00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:14.159
Oh it's interesting to say, well, it's ten o'clock ice,

1057
00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:15.000
it's the.

1058
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:15.639
End of that hour.

1059
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:18.880
We do have an open song tonight, some great discussion,

1060
00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:24.440
foot plan, Standwich Savant, Scott, Brian Jay, everybody. Thank you

1061
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:28.760
for participating in a lively chat tonight and bake their ahead.

1062
00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:29.760
Folks.

1063
00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:33.760
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1064
00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:35.039
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1065
00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:39.159
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1066
00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:45.000
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1067
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:46.400
with those dulcet tones.

1068
00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:49.199
I'll be good, bi get a.

1069
00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:52.280
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1070
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:52.760
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1071
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:03.920
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1072
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:07.639
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1073
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1074
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1075
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