May 19, 2025

EP 124: Bigfoot Au Naturale w/ John Hickenbottom

EP 124: Bigfoot Au Naturale w/ John Hickenbottom
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Season 11

Ohio Naturalist John Hickenbottom joins us to discuss the new Eco-Discovery Center at Salt Fork State Park and his Bigfoot Adventures. To contact John, email him at TheBigfootNaturalist@gmail.com.

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The views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch

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Experience do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the whole

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sponsors or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener

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discussion is advised.

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We have one or coming frolling around out here?

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Does a legend walk among us working in the forests

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of our rule?

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Did you see what it went?

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What a person or an animal?

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Or I can't go off an hours? If my doctor

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way came on and I did have an equip to

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see the thing running across the yard, A good tried

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man or nothing?

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Work like a man?

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I don't know what it worked.

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For over fifteen years we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators,

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and witnesses trying to do an insertain proof around the

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existence of this stews.

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Entered quite by.

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He Hello, get nobody out here?

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What would announce the invention about nine?

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I don't know eat the annount that. Yeah, I'm walking

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right away, h okay and.

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Yeah got big okay?

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What do you doing here?

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You are? What do you.

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Join us?

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As we continue into the investigation of the Sasquatch Experience, And.

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Good evening everyone, Welcome to Monday Night, May twelfth. You're

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listening to the Sasquatch Experience Alive on Facebook and YouTube

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and wherever you could pick up these fine streams. Also

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on x where we have a decent following. We've got

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a grade show tonight. We've got John Hickinbottom from Salt

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Fork State Park, Ohio joining us here.

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We're gonna have a lot of fun.

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John, thanks for coming on with us tonight. It's like

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we were just there a week ago.

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Yeah, thanks for having me on. We've been threatening to

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do this for what two years?

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And I think so and silly me because John, you know, one,

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you're a hell of a nice guy. I mean, you're

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the easiest person to talk to on the planet. But two,

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you're just a wealth of knowledge. And I think while

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we were having a conversation at the Eco Center, which

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we'll talk about in a little bit, you know, just

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as much as we have fun talking about Bigfoot and

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exploring this mystery, there's a hell of a lot of

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real animals that you know, pay a really important part

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of the force that we traverse through and you know,

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cohabitate with that are really important to the ecosystem and

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really keep the keep the globe spinning, and you were

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just having a conversation with us about what we were talking about,

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weasels and so on and so forth. You know, just

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very eye opening to see what how something that could

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jump the chain could really just really upset the ecosystem.

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Yeah. Absolutely, And I don't know, you're just at all

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camera like everything out there is connected. So that's kind

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of one of the things that I always sort of

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explore when we talk about Bigfoot is you know, if

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this animal exists, it's it is, it's connected to the

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natural world, just like we are, and just like all

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the other animals, you know, and has to look at

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the same environmental hurdles that we you know, we do

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and all the other things here in Ohio. I mean,

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that's one of the Well, there's the Sasquatch trangle, which

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I think we talked about a little. You know, parts

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of Grimsey, Tuscoresmith, Skim and Shop County. And if you

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look at eastern Ohio, like prior to a you know,

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prior to European settlement, all of Ohio was covered in

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an old grove forest. Right by the turn of the

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twentieth century to the perman nineteenth to the twentieth century.

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I mean that that old growth was down to a

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fraction of what it used to be, you know, these

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tiny little pockets of old growth. Well, now with better conservation,

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the whole eastern part of the state, southeast and northeast

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and part of the central you know, has all reforced

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in the way, and you can kind of track sasquatch

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sightings in Ohio along with the reforestation and the maturity

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of the forests in the eastern part of the state.

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sasquatch sightings in the early part of the century here

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in Ohio, like the early part of the twentieth century,

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because you know, there was also new deer here and

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there were no you know, there was if a deer.

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If a deer showed up in you know, the suburbs,

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it made the newspaper in the nineteen fifties, you know

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what I mean. That was a big deal. So when

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we're talking about bigfoot, I always try to I always

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try to approach it like it has all the same

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needs and once as all of the other animals.

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You know, I can't help but smile when you regale

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these stories because you know, there's a lot of you know,

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thought that goes into that and a lot of science. John,

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you know you're talking about not just a historical reference,

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but now you think about that the deforestation of eastern Ohio.

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These creatures which are probably used to these really large

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old growth forests, their habitat's gone, they move out, We

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start reforesting, these four start growing. Here they come again

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because here comes to food again, you know, you do

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that food and cover, and which probably explains why there's

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been this significant jump in big Foot sightings in eastern Ohio.

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we've we've sort of become more conservation minded as a society.

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I mean we we still it's always kind of you know,

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a step ahead and two steps behind. We're always kind

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of back sliding somehow, but we, uh, we've gotten more

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conservation minded, you know, I mean everyone everyone gets the

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stuff from the Arbor Day Foundation, you know, and been

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mail and a lot of and I'm sure you know,

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I'm sure you have retired folks in your family who

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love love planting, you know, plant a tree from the

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Arbor Day Foundation in your you know, in your yard,

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right big big Tree planner. Yeah, so you know we've

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gotten we've gotten a lot more uh, we have gotten

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a lot more conservation minded. So it's kind of it's

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kind of and you know, all over it's not just

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it's not just here in Ohio, which could explain a

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lot about you know, jumps. I mean, I general discussion

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about Bigfoot that I have with the non bigfoot public.

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You know, I'm surprised at the number of people who

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always say, like, well, well, how can how can there

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like how can he be in California and in Ohio,

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Like they have this kind of they have Patty in

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their head and there's just there's just the one, you know,

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and they don't really think think about like, well, this

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is a this is like a species with the population

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and probably subspecies and you know, if it exists, it's

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this it's this species that is you know, branched out

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and has regional variations and has to have a certain

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number of individuals to maintain a position. You know, that's

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just sufficient meaning pool and they don't really think about that. Sometimes.

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You know, there is a small fraction people that come

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to Salt Fork that don't know anything about bigfoot, you know,

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I and I it kind of it kind of surprises

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me when I get that that, you know, how can

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how can he be in California? But if you think

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about it, where Patterson Gimmlin were, I was kind of

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some of the last wilderness in North America, you know

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what I mean at that time and what nineteen sixty nine,

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you know what I mean, Like the Pacific Northwest was

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sort of the that in the Appalachians, you know what

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I mean, the undiscovered country during that ry. You know,

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so it would totally makes sense that, like you know,

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it totally makes sense that big Foo would branch back

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out as as the cover and as resources sort of regenerated.

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And I, like I said, I always kind of throw

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in that, like if it exists, because that's that's kind

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of the big question, isn't it, you know? And I

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sometimes I'm not always a learned list of whether Bigfooted exists.

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I think I might have talked a little bit with

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you Sean about this at the OBC. Is sometimes like

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that's not the most important question in me, Like if

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Bigfoot is Bigfoot reel is not always the most important

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question to me because because to me, it kind of

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depends on how objective reel is to you, you know time. Yeah,

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like so I think before we started, I mentioned Mothman

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as we were talking about the statue. You know, Mothman's

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pretty well known thanks to social media. But still, if

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you go to like a Walmart in Kansas, right, a

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couple of people are going to know Mothman. Like you

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wearing a Mothman shirt, a few people are going to

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know it. But man, you wear a Bigfoot shirt and

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rule Kansas and go to you know, a Walmart, every

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single person is going to know Bigfoot, right. Most of

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them are going to know someone who uh, some of

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them are going do be true believers themselves, you know.

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So to me, the fact that that it is so

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much part of our so much part of our collective consciousness,

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it's kind of already real, you know, because of that,

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So I'm not always that interested. What I am interested

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in is if it's not real, what the heck are

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the sheer volume of people what I talk to every

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year seeing, you know, Like, what are they seeing? Right?

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I can't say that they're all seeing a bear standing

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on hind legs. And I can't say that every single

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one of them is having a psychotic episode, you know,

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what I mean, like, right, a small person that you're

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having a psychotic episode, you know, Like I can't you know,

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I can't say that. So what the heck are they?

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That's the question with me, Like if it's not real,

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if it's hands down not real. We don't have a body,

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whenever find a body, it's absolutely not real. What the

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heck are they seeing?

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Right?

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You know?

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That's the question only. And I tend to lean. I

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tend to lean a little toward you're seeing something. And

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Ockham's raisor dictates that, you know what I mean, we

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have we have this legend of Bigfoot, you know, keep

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it simple, stupid, correct. So I remain you know, I'm

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always skeptical, which is what a good scientist does. But man,

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I mean people are seeing something.

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You know, well you can't explain it easily away with

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the mental illness, with you know, misidentifications.

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But do you even go back further dew point?

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You know, you're talking about this regional variety, which I

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think adds more credence and more credibility to the existence

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of this thing as because with any other animal, as

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its region changes and its adaptation needs change, it's going

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to be different for the environment it's in. We know

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this happens john with known animals. Why would it not

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happen with a large primate.

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You would have population bottlenecking where you know, certain characteristics

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will become dominant, like certain recessive traits would become dominant.

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You have that happen in natural in populations of animals

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all of the time. I always point to black squirrels.

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Everyone seeing black squirrels and they're like the city squirrels.

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You know, a lot of people don't realize black squirrels

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are not a species, like they're not their own species.

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Those are what are called hypomelanistic gray squirrels. So their

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hypomelanism is sort of reverse albinism. Instead of not producing melanen,

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your body produce is too much melanin. Right, So they're

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black gray squirrels. And what happens is the sort of

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island effect in cities and city parks and college campuses

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and things like that, where these genes kind of get

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turned over over and over and a recessive trait that

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only a small percentage of young would have now is

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dominant they all have. You know, you have big populations

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of black squirrels, these hypernoonistic squirrels. So that sort of

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thing happens out nature. It happens naturally. So yeah, I

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h and I try to handle I try to handle

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Bigfoot kind of delicately when we're talking about it. You know,

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I could go all in, go both barrels, but it

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would it would do a disservice to the people who

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are you know, who remain really skeptical, you know, and

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who are are on the it probably doesn't exist side

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of the fence, and I try to remain respectful to

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all of those. And another thing though that I try

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to point out is you know bigfoot. I mean, you

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all have heard it over and over, like somebody says,

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you know, I haven't told anybody because I don't want

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them to think that I'm crazy.

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The guy that I told at work asked me what

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I was drinking. You know. What I always tell people

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is like, even how wild the story is, like even

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how insane sounding the story is, I'll still try to

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listen to it and go like, wow, that's interesting, you know,

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like that's fascinating, And I'll still try to hear hear

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them out and try to handle it delicately. I mean,

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the OBC was a good example. I heard some really

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wild stories at the OBC just this year, you know.

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And I try to handle it with respect. And one

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thing that I point out to people, especially non bigfoot folks,

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is like, you know, and I try to point this

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out when people like look look at me and they're like, well,

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what are you what are you doing? Like, what are

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you doing with you know, what are you doing with this?

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Why are you doing bigfoot?

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Or they assume that it's entirely a marketing thing for

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the you know what I mean, which I'm sure I'm

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doing a I'm doing a bigfoot thing the Bluegrass Festival,

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you know in June, So sure part of part of

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it is that, But another side of it I try

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to handle. I try to handle it delicately with every

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story because in our society, if you say you saw bigfoot,

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it's really easy for your buds and your coworkers to say, like,

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what were you on, you know, what were you drinking? Right,

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But if you flip that, like in our society, like

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our Western society, if you flip that and you have

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somebody saying, uh, you know, man, I saw my guardian angel,

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you know what I mean. Or I spoke to a saint,

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you know what I mean, or or I saw Jesus

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And your response is like, what were you on? Like

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our society dictates you're a huge jerk. Right now, that's

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not everybody's belief, but still, like our society dictates that

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you're a huge jerk, you know what I mean. If

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your response is like, yeah, hooraight, like you talk to

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you talk to whatever saint you know, like you're you're nuts,

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you know what I mean. If your response is that

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instead of going like wow, that's that's something you know,

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I'm sure that meant a lot to you, you know

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what I mean, Like even if that's not what you believe.

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says that, I'm totally respectful. Saying goes with like the

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the even the most outlandish Bigfoot story that I get,

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I'll usually be respectful about it. When I start getting

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a little like disrespectful is when people know things, you

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know what I mean, like and there's no change in

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their mind. That's when I start, like I start really

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kind of dropping the science and stuff because there are

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things like there are there are things we don't know,

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and we have to be okay with that, right, comfort

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we got to be comfort with. Yeah, we have to

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be okay with things that we don't know. So, like

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you know, the the tree twists are one of those things,

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like trying to say it is this specific reason when

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you find a twisted limb eight feet off the ground. Okay,

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so that's anomalous, Right, you find this twisted branch, that's anomalous.

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That should be like we should figure out how it happened,

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you know what I mean, and maybe not consider why

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it happened until we know more, you know what I mean?

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Like saying, oh, there were too many hikers and it

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was frustrated, so it was twisting this branch. Well, that's

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what we call wild speculation, you know what I mean.

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Like you don't know that you're saying that with no precedence,

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you know what I mean. That's when I start getting

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a little weird. You can tell me the most outlandish

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bidfoot story and I'll be respectful. When you start knowing

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things and declaring facts that we have no way of knowing.

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You know, we have no way of knowing That's when

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it gets a little strange for me. You know, we

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need to gather more information, We need to have more evidence.

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I mean, we have footprint evidence, which I don't think

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is taken seriously enough. An anecdotal evidence, you know. One

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thing on the skeptical side of things, a lot of

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people say, like, anecdotal evidence doesn't hold up in a court, right, Well,

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we're not trying to. We're not trying bigfoot, you know

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what I mean. Like, it's not that anecdotal evidence holds

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up great when it comes to wildlife, right, because you

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have folks who say, no, I totally saw a bobcat, right,

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And that's before bobcats showed back up in Ohio and

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people will say, no, I saw a bobcat on my farm,

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and everybody says, oh, you're nuts. And then one gets hit,

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you know, one gets hit on the freeway a couple

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of months later, and oh wow, maybe you know, maybe

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farmer Gym down the road wasn't nuts. Maybe he saw

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a bobcat. You know, that's anecdotal evidance. Like he said

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he saw a bobcat. There's habitat here, he saw a bobcat.

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You know, I think the anecdotal evenance is important, and

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you know, I also think we sometimes fail to recognize

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that regardless of all of it, it is modern folklore.

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Like we're participating in modern folklore. You know, we're building

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folklore as we go, and most folklore has some kernel

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truth in it. So there's got to be something to

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all of.

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This, right, Absolutely, gentlemen. I kind of muted us there

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so we could have so we had some background noise.

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Any questions for John, go ahead.

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I think first I'd like to thank you for coming on.

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The Discovery Center is really neat and Salt Fork, and

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it was really enjoyable to be there. You make some

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key points that I really like, like the fact that

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you know just that people, you know, you would think

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more people would see something. And I was just thinking

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to myself, because I was talking to Shan of it

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this the other day, was is I maybe see one

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bearing year from Lucky But yeah, Pennsylvania hunters killed twenty

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six hundred.

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I just loved to have like twenty seven hundred bearing year.

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So they're out there, they're large, but the average person

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doesn't see them.

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But if you're hunting for them or you're in an

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area that they're usually in your chance is like seeing

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them jump. So I mean I think a lot of

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people don't see it that way. And like you said,

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is use an existing animal.

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And I've always said this, you know, use an existing

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animal to kind of see how that animal reacts.

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Like the bigfoot has to.

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Have you know, three I know, I know we go

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to the mythical and some of the other but let's

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just call it flesh and blood today. But it has

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to have somewhere to eat, somewhere to sleep, you know,

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and you know, a water source.

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Those things have to happen if it's an animal that

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lives on this planet, you know.

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So I think I think your ideas of how to

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look at other animals and things like that are very

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valid and I want to thank you for you know,

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bringing those out.

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Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. One thing that I always point out

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with was the bear thing too, especially you brought up hunting.

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I'm a hunter. One thing about bigfoot research is I'm

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always really skeptical when somebody seems every single time they

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go out right, you know what I mean, Like because

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as a hunter, I know that some days you get skunked,

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you know, some days the deer aren't there some you know,

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there's twenty six hundred bear harvested in Pennsylvania or whatever

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you know of others. I'd like to I'd be interested

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to see how many tags get issued for bear because

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I bet it's not twenty six hundred and fifty. I

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bet it's much higher than twenty six hundred bear tags,

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you know. So there's there's probably about that many people

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who went out and didn't get a bear, you know,

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because some things you get slunk, you know, sometimes you

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don't see what you're after. So yeah, but like you said,

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going to a place that has all of those requirements,

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all of those resources that an animal needs, that your

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chances of seeing that animal jump exponentially, you know. Yeah, right,

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So thanks for bringing that up. That's a that's a

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good point.

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Advance, Henry Matt trying to give us time here, guys.

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If there's a little delay, my apologies, bit charehl you

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have a whole on vue mute there you go. Yeah, yeah,

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I would. I don't know if you can hear me

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or not, if I'm unmuted or not.

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Well, okay, John, don't take this as a slight at all,

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Please don't. But to see a theed or Roosevelt mustache

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like you have. That's just as rare as having a

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bigfoot siting. And I commend you for this. This is

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this makes this absolutely makes my day. It absolutely makes

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my day that that you carry that off so well, sir.

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I just wanted to throw that out there. It's honestly,

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I'm honestly at this point it's kind of sent you

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like it's uh, but it is. Think I'm part of

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my identity. No, absolutely as well as it should.

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Because it's very recognizable of who you are and what

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it is that you do. And you know what, fid

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always Avel did the same thing, and I was like,

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this is so awesome, and you know, I gave you

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a silent applaud on my own terms after getting to

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meet you and finding out what it is that you

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do and.

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The things that you curate. It's it's awesome, it really is.

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And John Dookie Pickle says it doubles as a boomerang

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and there.

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That's a hell of a name there, Doki. Wow, Yeah,

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that's truly a bit.

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And of course Jenny, our good friend, Jenny says, the

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Eco Discovery Center in Salt Fork is pretty fabulous and

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we haven't even got to talk about that yet.

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Well know, I want to talk about that too.

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I think we'll get to that here after our mid

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show break, which will hit in just a couple of minutes.

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I mean, John, I mean the Eco Discovery Center is

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a pet project of yours. I've it, I.

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Want to say, I've seen them break ground on it,

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and I've seen it being constructioned. It was nice to

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see it actually open to the public. Yeah, and a

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beautiful building.

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Yeah.

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Well, let's take our break now so we can get

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into it and talk about it. We'll take our mid

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show break. Folks, Smoke him if you got them, drain

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the lizard, whatever you gotta do, because we'll be right

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back with John Hick and Bottom more with the Sasquatch

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experience as soon.

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As I find the video here. It is.

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A sim.

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As you can see, I took another one of those

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super high detailed pictures of big Foot up in Door County.

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I thought he had three legs until I figured out

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it's a male. He smelled like rotten eggs. Then I

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realized he was tapping off fart says.

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He ran Ah.

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Yes, the flatulent sounds of a bigfoot the only sound

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I believe James Baker can mimic quite accurately. Well, Happy

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Monday Night to you all. I hope you're all enjoying

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a nice spring evening. And speaking of James Baker, nine

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foot tall beasts howling in the wilderness, black haired cryptids

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wandering the hills surrounding Brandywise Ski Resort, and bigfoot charging

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wildly through a swamp. Call it crazy, but witnesses have

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reported bigfoot activity for decades at Kyahoga Valley National Park

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in Ohio. A unique patchwork of woods and residential area,

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Kyahoga Valley National Park encompasses roughly thirty three thousand acres

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between Akron, Ohio and Cleveland, Ohio. Flowing through this Cuyahoga River,

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Hiking and biking trails are popular historic sites attract visitors.

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Waterfalls and lakes dot the park, and so do forests, marshes, swamps,

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and canal remnants, but it is not known for Bigfoot sightings.

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That's one of the reasons the National Park and its

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Sasquatch history are being featured in two YouTube episodes of

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Bigfoot Decoded, a production by Small Town Monsters. Now small

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Town Monsters is headed by Seth Breedlove, a prolific filmmaker

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who focuses on sasquatch, werewolves, the mothman, UFOs, and the

459
00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:50.759
paranormal and other strange phenomena and myths. Breedlove, who's forty three,

460
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:55.000
has crossed the country on expeditions and research for scores

461
00:26:55.039 --> 00:27:01.079
of documentaries, including trips to Oklahoma, New York, Pennsylvania, Alaska,

462
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:06.039
and the Pacific Northwest. Projects this summer will take them

463
00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:10.279
and his film crew to Michigan and New England and

464
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:15.480
wherever he investigates Bigfoot. He's used to skepticism and social

465
00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:20.200
media snipes. Now Seth is quoted as saying, I totally

466
00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:23.720
get it. I have the same questions that everyone else has,

467
00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:27.519
but I have more of a vested interest. Regardless of

468
00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:31.559
the creature's existence, this subject is never not going to

469
00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:35.279
be endlessly fascinating and to look into the history of

470
00:27:35.319 --> 00:27:39.640
the subject is interesting. If they're not real, then why

471
00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:42.160
do we have written reports on these things that go

472
00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:46.480
back hundreds of years. Even having seen one, I'm not

473
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:50.119
one hundred percent certain, but I think they're there, and

474
00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:53.599
whether they're real or not, the subject is super interesting

475
00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:58.000
and culturally it's part of our history. We don't fake

476
00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:01.119
the stuff, he said of small town Monds. We don't

477
00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:04.680
really push any agenda of anything. No one is trying

478
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.799
to convince people Bigfoot is real. But if they don't

479
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:10.799
believe in Bigfoot, I bring them to my backyard and

480
00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:13.000
bring them to my gallows and hang them by the

481
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:14.519
neck until they're dead.

482
00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:15.799
Nah.

483
00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:19.039
I just made that part of It's a super interesting

484
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:22.599
topic though, But half the people who work here aren't

485
00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:29.720
quote unquote believers. When we come back, stand close to

486
00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:34.519
that smoky campfire and get that rich, flavorful smoke all

487
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:40.640
over your body, because that's what Bigfoot likes.

488
00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:45.480
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513
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it is at the Gallenburg Convention Center. They'll be a

514
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:59.880
roundtable hosted by Adam Davies and speakers Jesse and Joe

515
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:05.200
Doyle and Jesse is pleasing to look at Jonathan Dover,

516
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Ken Gerhard, Ronnie LeBlanc, and of course, what's a conference

517
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:15.599
without doctor Jeff Meldrum. Thanks again for listening to this

518
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edition of the big Foot Bullhorn right here on the

519
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Sasquatch Experience. And as Lenny always says, I'm tear we

520
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.680
meet again in them my mind.

521
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.359
And welcome back to everybody Sasquatch Experience. Monday Night, Sean

522
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:39.720
foger Vance and has been James Baker, Matt Arner, and

523
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:42.839
her Man. Tonight's guest John Hick and Bottom. I almost

524
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:44.279
made that in one breath.

525
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:47.519
But not quite. So you know, we got we gotta

526
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:48.519
practice on that. Guys.

527
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:51.079
What a great show so far. Talking to John put

528
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:53.400
a lot of thoughts out there. But John, you had

529
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:56.599
this pet project called the Eco Discovery Center Center.

530
00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:59.000
But before we do that, I did.

531
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:02.759
Promise Henry he could ask a question. So I see

532
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:03.440
you stop with me.

533
00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:17.319
Go ahead, buddy, Go ahead, hen So we have water

534
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:18.079
in the background.

535
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:22.000
That must be Baker's fountain. Henry, you're not You're not

536
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:25.960
coming through, Buddy. If you text it, I can answer it.

537
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:32.400
For some reason, You're just not You're not pulling well,

538
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:34.680
John as we tried to get that question from Henry.

539
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:38.119
Let's talk about the Eco Discovery Center. What was the

540
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:39.759
genesis of this project.

541
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:46.400
Well, if you haven't been to sold Fork, sold Fork's

542
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:52.680
the biggest state park in Ohio, so it we're always

543
00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:55.440
up in the top five of the most visabeth parks

544
00:32:55.440 --> 00:33:00.640
in Ohio. So really the genesis was the need for

545
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:04.359
a year round nature center, a year round facility. Are

546
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:09.319
our old our old nature Center, old Education Center was

547
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:12.799
a seasonal facility, so more or less Memorial Day through

548
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:18.400
Labor Day. But we get year round visitation. So we

549
00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:21.079
have you know, deer hunters in the winter. We have

550
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:25.599
a series of races that go through the park. One

551
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:29.160
of them is called the big Foot fifty K. So

552
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:32.519
there's a series of races and marathons and things. That's

553
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:39.559
a winner marathon, the big Foot fifty k. The springtime

554
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:43.720
is really busy, actually, right this this week is the

555
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:46.880
biggest week in American verding. So if you're not if

556
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:49.759
you're a bird watcher, a lot of people are making

557
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:52.880
the pilgrimage up to Lake Erie right now. So this

558
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:56.680
is you know, this is the biggest week in American verding.

559
00:33:56.720 --> 00:34:03.480
It's a springtime visitation. It's really busy all year round,

560
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:07.079
so that was kind of the genesis, was just the need.

561
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:11.519
You know, we have a lot of local schools who also,

562
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:15.880
you know, would benefit from a year round facility to

563
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:22.599
come out and experience the outdoors and you know, nature education,

564
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:25.960
So that was kind of the genesis of it. Now,

565
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:31.960
the building itself is a sustainable building. It's a green building.

566
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.880
It's kind of the first of its kind, so it's

567
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:39.840
got a ton of sustainability features, things like low flow toilets,

568
00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:43.320
and we've got a smart lighting that dims and brightons

569
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:45.320
depending on the amount of natural light that's coming in.

570
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:50.079
We have a living roof, solar panels, a lot of

571
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:52.639
different features that make the building sustainable and kind of

572
00:34:52.760 --> 00:35:00.400
unique amongst any other building at the moment within parks.

573
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:04.719
So that's pretty cool. Now, the central theme of the building,

574
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:08.039
uh or I guess that it's not the central theme.

575
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:12.519
Kind of the center piece of the building is Bigfoot,

576
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:17.639
and that's kind of where, uh where I came in. More.

577
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:21.360
I made it so that Bigfoot is not only this

578
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:24.880
sort of the centerpiece, you know, with a life size Bigfoot,

579
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:30.960
but also sort of your tour guide through the through

580
00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:33.480
the Go Discovery Center. There's a sort of you know,

581
00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:35.679
a little Bigfoot shout outs, a little big Foot call

582
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:40.119
outs all over the building for all of the different features.

583
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:40.920
Uh.

584
00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:46.719
And the reason why I did that is because with

585
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:51.440
with the outdoors, Bigfoot is kind of a perfect gateway

586
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:55.920
to the outdoors, you know. And no, no one's just

587
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.760
gonna stumble. I I can't say, no one. Usually you

588
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:01.599
don't just stumble outside looking for Bigfoot, you know what

589
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:03.639
I mean, You're you're gonna find out all kinds of

590
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:06.559
other cool stuff if you go out and spend some

591
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:10.440
time in the woods looking for Bigfoot. I would hazard

592
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:14.239
to guess the most most of the time, you're gonna

593
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:17.800
you're gonna see You're gonna see the cool stuff and

594
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:19.360
maybe not Bigfoot, you know.

595
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:20.280
You know.

596
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:22.960
So there's a lot of there's a lot to learn

597
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:25.880
out there, and bigfoot is a really great gateway into

598
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:27.199
that into the outdoors.

599
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:27.960
You know.

600
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:32.360
I never really catch any flack about the Bigfoot stuff

601
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:38.760
from anybody, but like other naturalists, you know, and I

602
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:41.400
mean it's no, it's no real spin off my teeth.

603
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:43.119
I mean, big salt Fork is what it is. For

604
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:46.840
a fundamental part of this job as an educator has

605
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:49.320
to know your resource and use your use your resource,

606
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:51.880
and that Salt Fork Bigfoot is my resource, you know,

607
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:58.119
and I uh and never it never bothers me too

608
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:03.199
much if I get in a flak from other naturalists.

609
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:05.360
But you know, one thing that I try to politely

610
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:09.679
point out to them is, you know, I'm I could

611
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:12.239
get four hundred people for a bigfootke. We have that's

612
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:13.760
our record as four hundred people. That is not a

613
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:16.119
manageable number for a hike. That is not a man

614
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:22.679
of you imagine not yeah, but we uh, you know,

615
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:25.559
that's four hundred people that came out to experience the outdoors.

616
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:31.559
They came out, they learned things about nocturnal animals, they

617
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:36.760
learned things about conservation, they learned things about ecology that

618
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:41.480
you know, I can shoehorn so much of that into

619
00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:43.719
a big Foot hike or into a big Foot program.

620
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:45.800
Through the winter when we're not when we're not doing

621
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:48.920
as many public hikes, I do these fireside squatch talks

622
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:53.800
at the lodge, and I can. I can shoehorn awful

623
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:56.440
lot of conservation into a big Foot program, you know,

624
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:00.440
And it's an excellent gateway to the out doors. So

625
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:03.400
That's kind of why I geared part of the Eco

626
00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:10.599
Discovery Center to kind of devoted to Bigfoot, and I

627
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.400
kept it. I don't know if you read the whole thing,

628
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:15.880
if you went through the whole display, but that that

629
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:18.559
central piece with the life sized Bigfoot. I kind of

630
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:22.559
kept it so that it both appealed to people who

631
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:26.079
really invest into Bigfoot research but also the general public.

632
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:28.719
You know, we tried to toe a line with all

633
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:33.079
of the copy that we we put up on the display.

634
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:36.079
We tried to throw the lines between you know, and

635
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:41.559
and open up both barrels with with the Bigfoot you

636
00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:43.920
know stuff. I wanted it to appeal to the general

637
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:48.000
public because, you know, it's unfortunate, but the hunting and

638
00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:52.599
fishing are on the decline. You know, bird watching is

639
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:56.239
very popular. It's the second most popular outdoor pursuit other

640
00:38:56.280 --> 00:39:00.199
than gardening in North America. That's well, yeah, so bird

641
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:03.480
watching is very popular, but hunting and fishing are on

642
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:07.599
the decline. You know, so many people are working multiple

643
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:09.679
jobs or they have such a stringing a schedule that

644
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:12.800
hiking is not an option for everybody, you know what

645
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:17.400
I mean, people aren't going. As a sad fact, but

646
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:20.800
like calendar, people aren't going outside as much. If I

647
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:23.679
can draw of the people outside using Bigfoot, that's a

648
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:26.039
big win for us. You know, that's a big win

649
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:29.599
for conservation. It's a big win for nature in general.

650
00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:32.360
You know. That's one thing that I always point out

651
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:35.000
to people too, is like, you know, part of this is,

652
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:39.480
I mean, you might not care about venomous snakes, you

653
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:41.239
know what I mean. You might think the only good

654
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:43.840
snakes of dead snake. You might not care about predator

655
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:47.519
species like coyotes and bobcats, right, okay, but hear about bigfoot.

656
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:52.320
I can trick you into making decisions about you know,

657
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:56.559
conservation because of Bigfoot, you know what I mean. That

658
00:39:56.599 --> 00:40:00.719
will benefit everything else, you know what I mean, because

659
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:03.199
that's a lot of our decisions impact you know, the

660
00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:06.039
way you vote. Those things impact the natural world, you know,

661
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:11.719
and we're I'm tasked with giving a voice too, uh

662
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:16.760
to wildlife, right to wildlife and conservation efforts like that's

663
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:21.079
part of my job. And if Bigfoot is an excellent

664
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:25.000
mouthpiece for that. You know. Now on the flip side

665
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:28.360
of that, I'm not using it as as just a tool.

666
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:33.000
I do have a personal interest in Bigfoot. I kind

667
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:38.679
of grew into it because of soult work. I sort

668
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:42.760
of every kid gets interested in monsters, and then I

669
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:44.360
sort of grew out of it and then grew back

670
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:48.400
into it. You got hooked in, m hooked in, and

671
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:50.960
that mystery is another important aspect of it. I like

672
00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:54.840
keeping that mystery alive. I've said for a long time,

673
00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:58.679
like I love I love Smokey Bear, you know, uh,

674
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:01.800
but you know he could he could do with the rest.

675
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:04.559
We should let Bigfoot take the helm for a little bit, like,

676
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:07.800
you know, let Bigfoot represent I can't say that smoking

677
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:12.679
bears taking a hard hit lately, I shouldn't say better.

678
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:17.960
But the we, you know, we Bigfoot's kind of iconic,

679
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:22.079
you know, very much so, and I think I think

680
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:25.000
it's an excellent gateway into that natural world like that

681
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:28.639
now and it's endlessly wonderful, you know. I. Uh, there's

682
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:30.480
not a day that goes by where I'm not surprised

683
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:33.000
by something. That's part of the reason why I love

684
00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:37.800
my job is because I'm constantly surprised by something out there.

685
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:40.400
In case anybody who was wondering.

686
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:46.199
Last August was Smoky the Bear's eightieth birthday. So yeah,

687
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:49.239
he's been around a long time, John Smokey's been preventing

688
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.920
forest fires and only you can prevent forest fires, which

689
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:56.920
a great message, especially now more than ever. But to

690
00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:58.760
your point, you know, maybe it is time to go

691
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.599
with the times and what better then Bigfoot. Culturally it's

692
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:05.159
a phenomenon, right, and I think, you know, using it

693
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:07.960
as a tool, and which is okay John, to get

694
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:09.039
folks into the outdoors.

695
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:11.000
I think we got to get other folks into the

696
00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:15.639
outdoors to care. Right, It is an education tool, that's

697
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:17.920
that's my primary use of it at the park is

698
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:21.559
as an education tool, you know, personal interest aside like it.

699
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:24.239
It would be silly for me not to utilize it

700
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:27.159
as an education tool. You know, it is fascinating. We're

701
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:32.360
also hardwired for mystery. We we are really uh, you know,

702
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:39.039
mystery is a healthy thing. And I so my personal

703
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:46.639
interests aside getting into the subject and promoting a curiosity

704
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:51.559
and promoting then you know, exploration of the natural world.

705
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:54.679
Like I said, it's kind of a big, big win

706
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:57.199
for everyone involved, including Bigfoot.

707
00:42:57.360 --> 00:42:59.480
Well you got to think about how much we we

708
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:02.559
learn about out the world of year new animals or

709
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:07.119
animals were rediscovering, Uh, has been a big one John.

710
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:09.719
Not even so much new animals, but animals that were

711
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:12.639
thought to have been lost. Now, you know, granted a

712
00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:14.719
lot of time to like shrews and so on and

713
00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:16.880
so forth, but you understand the importance one of those

714
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:17.880
animals has.

715
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:21.199
Right, Yes, because everything is connected, you know, right that

716
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:23.639
the loss of that shrew could mean the loss of

717
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:27.599
could mean the loss of you know, Bigfoot as a species.

718
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:30.519
You know, we don't know those that we don't. It's

719
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:34.079
hard for us to grasp the cosmic interconnectedness of the

720
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:38.079
natural world. You know. It's kind of like us grasping

721
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:41.400
geologic time, you know or not. We can, we can

722
00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:44.840
picture things a few generations back, but when it starts

723
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:48.320
getting into billions of years, we start to you know,

724
00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:54.079
it starts to uh, starts to become difficult for us

725
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:55.360
to grasp. Yeah.

726
00:43:55.840 --> 00:44:01.280
Absolutely, I can't fathom thinking of pools of primary soup, right,

727
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:02.639
things we're crawling out of.

728
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:02.880
Right.

729
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:06.079
We have a you know, just a finite amount of

730
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:09.639
imagination that unless we've seen it, we really can't comprehend it,

731
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:12.320
you know. And and to go back that far. You're right,

732
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:16.719
human memory is very short term. We're not neared towards

733
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:19.559
that long term. But then you know, we have talked

734
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:26.280
about you know, is instinct? Is that like a genetic memory,

735
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:30.000
you know how you respond and built in like and

736
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:31.719
we could go into a whole show just on that,

737
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:32.840
because it's fascinating.

738
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:38.519
Right, Yes, my backgrounds repels amphibians, Okay, not repels aphibians

739
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:41.920
and plants. That's my That's kind of my background. And

740
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:44.079
I always hope people like it is perfectly okay to

741
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:47.159
be afraid of snakes. It is a survival mechanism. You

742
00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:49.559
are hardwired. It is in your DNA to be afraid

743
00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:55.239
of snakes and spiders. You know, we we're not that

744
00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:58.039
far removed. We're just a few generations removed from our

745
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:00.920
ancestors getting actively eaten by things, you.

746
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:01.320
Know, and.

747
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:09.119
You know we're where we We do have great instincts.

748
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:11.199
I don't think we go ourselves enough credit, you know,

749
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:16.800
as far as like how our instincts work. And I

750
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:19.360
know I completely agree with you though. It is like

751
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:22.960
a genetic memory, you know, right.

752
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:28.039
We're wired to feel that way about things for a reason, right, Yes, absolutely, John,

753
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:32.800
I've got a question for you, Salt Fork.

754
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:36.719
How many days out of a three hundred and sixty

755
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:40.719
five days in a year do you spend at Salt Fork?

756
00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:46.719
Uh, I don't know. I mean I usually I will

757
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:51.719
usually take I'll usually take about a week vacation and something.

758
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:57.679
I'm off two days a week so with with you know,

759
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:02.960
whatever sick sick time if I catch I've got four kids,

760
00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:05.119
so in the winter, they're always bringing some some sort

761
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:09.000
of no I understand, but I mean, like a majority

762
00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:11.679
of the year, that's it. That's kind of a side point.

763
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:14.960
I grew up at Saltwork. I literally grew up at

764
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:18.280
Salt Fork. So I've spent most of my adult life

765
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:21.440
at Salt Work, and most of my childhood I spent

766
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.360
at So. I started volunteering there. I was thirteen years old.

767
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:28.800
I started volunteer. There was a there was a naturalist

768
00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:34.079
there named Jason Larson, who currently runs with Richland County Parks,

769
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:37.440
I think and he yeah, he's the director of Richland

770
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:40.119
County Parks. But he was just a lowly naturalist when

771
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:42.440
I was a kid going there in the summer, and

772
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:45.079
he uh, he took me under his wing and I

773
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:47.320
would go out and catch critters and snakes and stuff

774
00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:50.719
for him. I kind of I kind of figured out

775
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:53.599
what I wanted to do after that, which is a

776
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:55.480
double edged sport. If you figure out what you want

777
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:59.559
to do pretty early on anything that doesn't directly relate

778
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.639
to that, you just don't do. So after I figured

779
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:05.159
I wanted what I wanted to do, any subject in

780
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:09.039
school that I didn't think related to it, I just

781
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:13.119
didn't do. You know, I did get it. Always had

782
00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:15.920
really great I had really great grades, and like science

783
00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:22.400
and and and anything abstract, you know, like like you know,

784
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:24.679
I took AP English and stuff like that. But uh,

785
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:27.199
but when it came to anything that I didn't like,

786
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:30.119
I have gone. Let's say I've worked for odn R

787
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:33.079
since twenty twelve, and prior to that, I worked for

788
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:38.400
a private environmental center. I worked for Ohio Historical Society

789
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:42.920
and Columbus Metro Parks. And I never once had to

790
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:48.559
figure out the circumference of a cylinder or or like

791
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:55.840
the surface area and used algebra. You know, also I

792
00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:57.960
guess the circumference of a sod I have figured I

793
00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:02.079
have had to figure out the circumference of which we have. Okay,

794
00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:06.840
that's fair. That tells you so, I you know, so, yeah,

795
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:10.760
I'm really really terrible at math. But it's because I

796
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:14.960
kind of figured it like wellwise to likewise most why

797
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:15.559
do I need this?

798
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:16.880
So?

799
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:21.480
Yeah, I mean I have been. I couldn't really tell you.

800
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:25.440
I mean I usually take about a week off, right, Yeah.

801
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:27.039
And how many of your teachers said you're not going

802
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:28.599
to carry a calculator around with you.

803
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:33.519
From Well that's true, right, But the and and one

804
00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:34.679
other question for you?

805
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:44.079
What's your relationship with Floppy the deer? Oh, this is

806
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:50.880
a it's a beautiful creature, a thing. This is going

807
00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:55.559
to be an unpopular opinion. I have a feeling so

808
00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:58.480
because it is very un my opinion is unpopular at

809
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:03.519
the lodge. So Floppy, for those of you who do

810
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:06.599
not know, is a deer with a messed up jaw

811
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:13.320
at the lodge. Now, there's five of us here or

812
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:17.400
six of us here? Right, see bat map, there's a

813
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:20.719
six of us here? Like anyone know what the average

814
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:26.400
age for a deer harvested in Ohio is probably two

815
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:29.599
to three? Yeah, two and a half. Two and a

816
00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:32.119
half is the average age, all right. Once in a

817
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:34.440
while you'll get a weird one. It's like seven, right.

818
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:37.760
But a lot of times if you have people saying, like, oh,

819
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:40.360
this buck's been coming to my trail cam for ten years,

820
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:44.599
over fifteen years. What you're seeing is the same genetics

821
00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:46.760
coming into your trail cam for fifteen years, you know.

822
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:49.840
All right, Well, so Floppy is about five years old,

823
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:56.400
all right? Really, Yeah, Floppy has been fed by visitors,

824
00:49:56.639 --> 00:50:07.880
which is a a war one another undula. That's yes,

825
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:12.679
pretty I said the same thing, John, No, so the

826
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:16.000
So here's the thing. First off, it's a violation of

827
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:26.000
Ohio Administrative Code to feed wildlife. Yeah. Uh, woman. Animal

828
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:32.320
interactions almost always involved food and almost always turn negative

829
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:36.679
because of food, and it never ends well for the animal.

830
00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:40.760
Mm hmmm. You know it almost never ends well for

831
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:42.920
the animal. Well, I can't think of a single instance

832
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:46.719
where an animal that had been habituated to eat out

833
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:50.199
of a person's hand that then attacks the person. You know,

834
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:53.360
it ever ended? They went like, no one ever looks

835
00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:56.519
at the person and goes, well, you ask for it,

836
00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:00.280
you know what I mean? Except for buffalo. Buffalo kind

837
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:02.920
of get a pass like people ford by buffalo. They

838
00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:05.920
all get kind of made fun of. And I agreed,

839
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:10.800
But otherwise when it comes to animals, So my opinion

840
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:13.960
on Floppy is like if natural selection were allowed to

841
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:16.960
take its course, it would have taken its course. The

842
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:19.239
problem is is if we were to dispatch Floppy now,

843
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:24.039
there would be candlelight visuals. Because of that, I will

844
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:27.280
point out that anybody that thinks we have an coyote

845
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:32.719
problem in Ohio needs to look at Floppy had a problem.

846
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:36.039
She would have been a turd a long time ago, right,

847
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:43.400
So that, like I have a very it's just a

848
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:48.719
lot of even animal rehabilitation, okay, like taking injured and

849
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:51.880
injured and orphaned wildlife. If an orphan does a really

850
00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:54.960
loose term with wildlife, a lot of times it's a

851
00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:57.920
fledged bird, you know what I mean, things like that.

852
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:04.039
But a lot of animal rehabilitation is very homocentric. It's

853
00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:06.480
very human centered. It makes us feel better, you know

854
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:10.760
what I mean. Sometimes sometimes we've got to kind of

855
00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:13.679
bite the bullet, you know, like watch the We're all

856
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:16.119
grown ups, watch the Lion King. It's the circle of life.

857
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:21.800
Like maybe maybe maybe Floppy wasn't meant to eat Graham

858
00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:26.599
crackers for the rest of our life. It helps, so yeah,

859
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:29.840
she But like I said, we can't really do anything

860
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:32.559
about Floppy because there'd be like candlelight vigils.

861
00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:37.199
I agree, first of all, the deer came to me,

862
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:42.679
make it run of them all they were gold fish crackers.

863
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:47.920
Right, well, all right, a little bit, but like when

864
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:50.320
I saw it, it was the most amazing. And you

865
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:53.880
had made a grand point that like if there were coyotes,

866
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:55.960
this thing would go to it.

867
00:52:56.440 --> 00:52:59.599
Would be gone a long time ago. We have a

868
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:02.039
ton of coyotes if there was a coyote problem, like

869
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:04.960
if they were, you know, for food, less of a

870
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:09.639
floppy right, And she is gay, kind of probatic, like

871
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:11.920
I just want somebody to ask me a question about

872
00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:13.519
a deer, but didn't have to do with floppy ones.

873
00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:15.679
I like pretty much every person that walks into the

874
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:18.199
walks into my building and says, do you know anything

875
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:24.079
about deer? Donald messed up tongue and uh, I'm sorry

876
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:26.840
I brought it up now. No, no, I'm good. And

877
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:29.639
one of the other things is she doesn't look right.

878
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:32.320
You guys, you saw her. She doesn't look too hot right.

879
00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:36.519
Chronic wasting disease is kind of a hot topic in Ohio.

880
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:39.239
A couple of our counties are quarantine and stuff. It's

881
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:41.159
a bad it's a bad thing. It's like pre on disease.

882
00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:44.639
It's very scary. So c w D is a thing.

883
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:47.320
So now when people see Floppy, they've seen all these

884
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:50.320
articles in the news feed about CWD in Ohio and

885
00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:54.400
they see this weird, scrawny ass deer, you know, and

886
00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:57.360
they go, they go, oh, man, you guys, you know,

887
00:53:57.400 --> 00:53:59.800
you guys got to deal with c w D. But

888
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:12.159
they'll and I'm like, uh no, no, uh just Floppy.

889
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:11.599
John Okay, Johnna, I'm gonna try to ask my questions

890
00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:12.880
and if that okay.

891
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:16.360
Yeah, yeah. I was wondering if you were to see

892
00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:19.760
a SaaS watch, who would you tell? Who would I tell?

893
00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:24.000
So there, I would probably not tell the general public

894
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:26.559
who I saw, you know what I mean, or any

895
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:29.000
research group, not because I'm worried that they're gonna think

896
00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:32.360
I'm crazy. Like it's verifiable that that is the case.

897
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:37.599
I would say, let's see, I would tell my wife

898
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:43.000
because she's obligated to believe me, you know, and she uh,

899
00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:47.719
I mean, that goes both ways, So I would tell her.

900
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:50.079
But I probably would not tell the general public because

901
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:52.639
I we don't do a great job of taking care

902
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:54.679
of things, you know what I mean. So so I

903
00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:57.400
probably wouldn't tell a bunch of research groups and things

904
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:00.440
like that. We just don't do a great job of

905
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:03.159
taking care of things. I don't even post rare bird

906
00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:07.800
alerts on eBird anymore because you know, sometimes you post

907
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:11.079
a rare bird and then photographers show up and want

908
00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:13.639
to get that Disney picture and they get ten feet

909
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:16.280
from it and flies off and no one else gets

910
00:55:16.320 --> 00:55:19.519
to see it, you know what I mean. So I

911
00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:24.840
don't even post rare bird alerts anymore on like eBird.

912
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:27.519
Let's see who else would I tell? Like I said,

913
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:30.800
I tell my wife, and she'd probably believe me. Maybe,

914
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:34.639
depending on the day, I'd probably tell I've got a

915
00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:38.000
couple of a couple of buds. I'd probably tell. I

916
00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:40.400
don't know if you all ever re min them, but uh,

917
00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:45.880
Smokey Wattel and Jeff Smith from Sasquatch Tracks, they'd probably

918
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:48.360
be one of the first ones to know we've gotten

919
00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:52.119
We've gotten a pretty uh gotten pretty tight over the years.

920
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:54.719
I speak to them on a pretty much daily basis,

921
00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:57.360
so they'd probably know and be sworn to secrecy.

922
00:55:58.239 --> 00:55:58.400
You know.

923
00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:01.719
But that's there Probably just a small handful of people

924
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:05.920
that i'd ever tell. Uh, probably those guys in my

925
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:09.639
wife and maybe somebody else. It's a very fair answer.

926
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:17.239
Yeah, yeah, John, I do have some questions for you

927
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:23.480
from our Patreon listener. Okay, question from Scott asks, with

928
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:26.719
the opening of the new EGO Discovery Center at Salt Fork,

929
00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:29.159
what has the reaction been from visitors.

930
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:32.880
Have there been many skeptics? Oh yeah, there's skeptics all

931
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:36.880
the time, but the overwhelming reaction has been positive. Everyone

932
00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:43.119
loves it. Everyone's super thrilled. Almost everyone says, uh, you know,

933
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:45.400
so it needed to happen. It's all for work for

934
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:49.199
a really long time. So it's been overwhelmingly positive. We've

935
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:55.119
been incredibly busy. So yeah, that's it's overwhelmingly positive. And yeah,

936
00:56:55.159 --> 00:56:59.119
sure there's skeptics, but that's I encourage skepticism, right, yeah,

937
00:56:59.159 --> 00:56:59.519
all right.

938
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:03.000
Another question is is there a sense of freedom in

939
00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:06.360
being able to weave Bigfoot into your nature walks and

940
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:09.199
educational conversations presentations.

941
00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:12.480
Yeah, oh yeah, for sure. It's great to talk about it.

942
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:14.920
It's great to talk about it too without any sort

943
00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:17.079
of wink, you know what I mean, like without with

944
00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:20.519
us like, it's excellent talk about it. I love talking

945
00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:22.360
about it. I don't have to make it a side show,

946
00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:24.199
right you can, no, no, no, no, And it can

947
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:28.119
easily become that. And there are totally times where I'm like, man,

948
00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:31.360
I need a brink, Like I need a break from

949
00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:34.960
the Bigfoot. There are totally times when that happens. But

950
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:39.599
you know, uh, overall, yeah, it's a total sense of freedom.

951
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:42.199
I love talking about it. It's I love talking about

952
00:57:42.199 --> 00:57:45.280
all that stuff, like even getting into some of the

953
00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:47.320
ruse stuff. I don't mind talking about any of that.

954
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:50.880
You know, the spooky high strangers stuff. I'll talk about

955
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:55.679
that too place. Yeah, yeah, right. And the final question,

956
00:57:56.679 --> 00:58:00.000
with the new Bigfoot statue outdoors at the Eco Discovery

957
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:02.920
Center and your desire to make it as popular as

958
00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:06.719
the Mothman statue, what's the most inappropriate picture taken with

959
00:58:06.760 --> 00:58:09.840
it so far and why has it been Sean Forker's

960
00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:13.760
I would actually see I am not seeing the anthemous

961
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:18.679
picture yet, so I can't even I can't even begin

962
00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:23.320
to imagine. Well, listen, it's I've described, I've heard it described.

963
00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:24.679
It was consent. That's all.

964
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:28.519
That's the questions we have from the chat, Matt, and

965
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:30.159
the question that we've kind of left you in the

966
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:30.639
dark there.

967
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:34.400
Yeah, you know what I'm I'm I think John and

968
00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:38.360
I would have a great discussion. Uh, you know, for

969
00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:42.039
what I know about the you know with the l

970
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:46.440
e Planteau area and the wildlife and such. But some

971
00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:49.800
of the questions I have are just gonna it would

972
00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:53.800
take too much time, but I'll just throw this out

973
00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:58.199
here because maybe we can get a good, a good

974
00:58:58.280 --> 00:59:04.440
quick answer. What is the draw biologically to the Saltwork

975
00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:08.760
area with all these setting so as opposed to eastern

976
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:11.599
Ohio where some other parts of Ohio.

977
00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:17.559
Yeah, well, I would say the prevalence of water we have.

978
00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:21.320
There's literally water everywhere. We were in the worst drout

979
00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:24.119
in one hundred and three years and there's still water everywhere,

980
00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:28.559
you know, last year. So the prevalence of clean water,

981
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:36.039
drinkable drinkable water for wildlife, and rugged terrain heavily forested

982
00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:40.280
with mast for it's known as like masts producing trees,

983
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:45.880
so things acorns, hickory nuts, that, et cetera, and plenty.

984
00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:48.159
You know, they're just the sheer amount of food and

985
00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:51.159
vegetation that that's there. So I'd say that's the draw.

986
00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:53.559
It's got rugged terrain, It's got this kind of perfect

987
00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:57.679
mixture of rugged terrain, you know, plenty of places to

988
00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:02.920
hide and seek, shelter, overhangs, things like that, plenty of water,

989
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:06.360
plenty of food. I think that's the draw, not all,

990
01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:09.159
you know, and very little habitat fragmentation. If you look

991
01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:12.280
at Salt Fork, it's a huge blob. You know, it's

992
01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:14.719
a huge continuous blob. So there's not there's not big

993
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:19.079
tracks of agriculture separating habitat right or or you know,

994
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:22.400
a highway cut in through habitat. There's it's a huge

995
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:27.719
twenty thousand acre blob. So yeah, I'd say that's probably

996
01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:33.239
the draw is the contiguous habitat. That's awesome. Yeah, yep.

997
01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:36.039
And do you guys have good partnerships with the with

998
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:38.920
the with the adjoining the landowners as well? Yeah, yeah,

999
01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:43.760
pretty much. You know it's pretty good. Yeah, it's you know,

1000
01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:46.519
it's an awful big we don't there's not a ton

1001
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:50.519
of conflict or anything that happens. It's everybody likes salt Work.

1002
01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:54.039
It's kind of you know, it's it's in everybody's backyard here.

1003
01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:59.679
So so a lot of times, you know, you don't

1004
01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:02.639
you local parks get underutilized because you're just kind of

1005
01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:05.480
used to them. You know, most of my visitors are

1006
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:08.719
from out of town. Uh you know, and so I

1007
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:11.599
mean that the Eco Center opening drew a ton of

1008
01:01:11.639 --> 01:01:15.599
people from local areas, so because it's the first new

1009
01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:21.239
thing there for so long. Sure, yeah, yep, that's old. Yeah.

1010
01:01:21.280 --> 01:01:23.360
Well, jents, it's that time for the night. It's hard

1011
01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:26.079
time to wrap up. John, thank you very much, thanks

1012
01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:28.039
for having me on while we got to finally do this.

1013
01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:30.159
I think every time I'd run into at a conference,

1014
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:32.480
you'd say, I gotta have you on right, and then

1015
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:34.920
we just never connect until the next friend. So I'm

1016
01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:36.039
everywhere's good to do this.

1017
01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:38.039
Yeah, me too, and so quickly this time, and we

1018
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:40.000
have to have you back on again because it ever

1019
01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:43.119
knowed to let Matt ask some of those heavier questions,

1020
01:01:43.159 --> 01:01:47.559
because well, Matt's a thought provoker from time to be great.

1021
01:01:48.039 --> 01:01:49.440
Yeah, folks, you've.

1022
01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:52.679
Been listening to the Sasquatch Experience Monday Night. Sean Forker

1023
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:55.840
James Baker Vinson has been Matt honor and remain at

1024
01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:58.880
tonight's guest John Nick and bottom folks, John, where can

1025
01:01:58.920 --> 01:01:59.519
folks find you?

1026
01:01:59.559 --> 01:02:03.880
Aet in touch with you? Oh well, you can find

1027
01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:08.119
me at the Salt Fork Eco Discovery Center Wednesday through Sunday.

1028
01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:11.800
But if you get on Instagram. That's an easy way

1029
01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:13.719
to get a hold of me. I don't really use Facebook.

1030
01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:15.639
I have Facebook account, but I don't really use it.

1031
01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:18.119
On Instagram, it's I think it's hick and Bottom John

1032
01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:22.760
my for bigfoot inquiries and things like that. It's the

1033
01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:26.519
Bigfoot Naturalist at gmail dot com. That's what I That's

1034
01:02:26.599 --> 01:02:31.440
usually what I respond onto for because I've kind of

1035
01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:35.920
the bigfoot stuff has necessitated a whole side persona. So

1036
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:40.760
the Bigfoot Naturalist is my whole side thing outside of work.

1037
01:02:41.519 --> 01:02:45.599
So that's my That's my Gmail for bigfoot inquiries. And

1038
01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:48.440
I think kick and Bottom John is my Instagram handle,

1039
01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:51.960
so look me up there. I usually try to respond

1040
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:56.280
to anything. Just be be polite, right, you know, just

1041
01:02:56.360 --> 01:03:01.800
be polite. The anonymity of a keyboard next people mighty sometimes, so, uh,

1042
01:03:02.039 --> 01:03:06.000
just be polite and I'll respond absolutely well.

1043
01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:08.679
If Henry was here, I'd haven't given them those dulcet tones.

1044
01:03:08.719 --> 01:03:10.800
But folks, as Henry would say, y' all be good

1045
01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:12.840
or be good at it. You've been listening to the

1046
01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:16.719
Sasquatch Experience. We'll see you in two weeks.

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01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:25.519
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