Feb. 23, 2025

EP 120: SquatchDetective Steve Kulls

EP 120: SquatchDetective Steve Kulls

Long Time Researcher, fellow podcaster, and friend Steve Kulls joins us to discuss his upcoming book: "Bigfoot: A Scientific Examination." Check Steve out by visiting his http://www.squatchdetective.com.

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Season 11

Long Time Researcher, fellow podcaster, and friend Steve Kulls joins us to discuss his upcoming book: "Bigfoot: A Scientific Examination." Check Steve out by visiting his website.

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The views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch

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Experience do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the host, sponsors,

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or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener discretion

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is advised.

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We got someone or something crawling around out here?

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Does a legend walk among us working in the forests

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of our world?

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Did you see what it was?

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Well?

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Did a person or an animal? Or I can't go. Oh,

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I know it's that my thunder light came on and

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I heard happened to glen and see this thing running

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across the yard A good fight man or something works

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like a man.

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I don't know what it was.

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For over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators,

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and witnesses trying to gain insight and truth around the

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existence how this mysterious.

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Entity Jesus quite cal Hello, get somebody out of here.

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What's going to announce there?

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That's got a mention about six ft nine? I don't know,

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easy announced there? Yeah, I'm working right ry Oh, okay,

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hand on her yarn? Yeah, got you're big?

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Okay, what's he doing in your yard?

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We're gonna bring you.

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Join us as we continue into the investigation of the

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Sasquatch Experience.

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And good evening, every Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience for Monday,

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February seventeen, two thy twenty five. This is the crossover

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you've all been waiting for. Probably next from Doctor Who

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in Star Trek, you've got Squatch Detective and the Fork

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Shop with our friends here tonight for a very exciting

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episode because Steve and I happened to be two of

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the most senior podcasters on Bigfoot on the planet. Steve,

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how the hell are you doing, my friend?

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We're doing wonderful, marvelous as I like to say, look

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out for that.

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Just go buy my own microphone trying to take me out.

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Yeah, you know, it's amazing, you know.

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And how many years we've been doing this that we

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haven't been injured having on the job podcasting injury, although

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I did have a podcast once where a meteor did

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explode overhead and that was called audio.

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Well, we did have one related injury I remember, and

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that was the Henry May spilling noodles on his cry Yes,

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oh yeah, that was a We used that sound bite forever.

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Let's know. We also used to have the annual Ramen

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Noodle Awards, because it literally sounded like a YETI screaming

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in the we'll have to fight. I think, Yeah, I

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think Steve has it. I think occasionally from time to

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time he plays it. But what a hell of a

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time we had back in the early days, back in

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blog talk radio. None of us on that platform anymore,

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but here we are still making it, still going. And Steve,

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I guess you know, for folks who aren't familiar with you, Steve,

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you've you've got a background in private investigating loss prevention,

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with evidence analysis and forensics. You've done just about every

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type of investigating you can think of. You've used that

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to build your framework for the investigating you do into

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cryptozoological and paranormal phenomena. You just don't do bigfoot. You

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branch across the whole spectrum. But you and I have

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You know, we became a quainted and became friends over

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the sasquatch mystery.

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Sure, and yeah, the paranormal thing.

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I was in it from about twenty ten till about

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twenty nineteen.

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I've kind of stepped back from that a little bit now.

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You know, a lot of boohoo weird stuff too, weird

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for me, and the.

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I mean weird, I mean weird physically.

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You know, in my tenure of doing that, I got

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a lot of physical ailments that were Bell's palsy and

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hives and boils and really.

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All the biblical legs. Huh.

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I know.

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Yeah, well you know that's the associated dangerous with that,

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with that, yeah, right, it's these things do happen. I

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know this isn't a paranormal podcast per se, but you know,

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that was one of the fears I've always had going

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into doing those type of research, as Steve is, the

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you know, potential attachment or the physical you know, ramifications

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of doing that investigating and folks, rather you believe it

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or not, you know, Steve will tell you that these things,

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you know, sometimes it's more than a coincidence.

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Well yeah, I mean I to get hives, I mean

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I didn't have hives since I was a little kid.

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don't understand it. And then I and then you know,

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another year, I go to him, I have Belt's palsy.

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I had Belt's palsy for a few weeks and he says,

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I can't explain why this happened. Yeah, yeah, so it's

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just and it was always right after certain investigations.

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you do, you know, Bell's palsy is no picnic.

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But luckily I caught it within like when it for

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the onset it first happened. Because my first fear was

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is that I was having a mini.

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Struggle, right, very symbiatic.

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But when I got to the er, the doctor explained

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to me and showed me how to tell the difference.

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And it had to do with the eyebrows.

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If you can move your eyebrow, like your one eyebrow

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on the side that's not moving because my eyebrows, my

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eye wouldn't move, and or my eye lids wouldn't move.

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So he's, you know, automatically, they put you on anti

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viral stuff, he says, because we caught it early. Should

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clear up in nine days and you'll be fine. No

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permanent effects. The people who get the permanent affection, the

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people who don't treat it for way too long, gotcha.

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Or have botox in their eyebrows. I guess then you're screwed. Hey, Henry,

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thanks for popping in the night. Henry may, folks, Henry,

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Henry must be having some difficult there is we got

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a little bit of signal back Welcome the planet Earth, Henry.

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I was having some difficulties, Steve. Oh Henry.

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So Steve, Steve and I started talking last week. I mean,

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Steve and I talked rand throughout the year, but we

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started talking last week because he's got a new book

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coming out. He's got four books previous to this, and

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if you want him to start getting into your you

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go to Squatchdetective dot com. I'm sure he's got links

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to buy his books on there. But you got fifty

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large The Real Story of the Georgia Bigfoot Body Hoax,

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What would Sasquatch Do? The Sasquatch Playbook, The Psychology of Bigfoot,

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and the brand new book coming out, Bigfoot, A Scientific Examination.

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So Steve's got quite the writing credentials behind him now

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writing his fifth book, which, folks, it could probably be

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six or seven books if you'd have broken up a

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little bit. But this new one's atone and we're excited

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to talk about it tonight, Steve, so let's dive right

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into it. What the hell prompted you to write this one?

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Well, the funny thing is the last book I wrote,

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The Psychology of Bigfoot, was really my antithesis of the

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Bigfoot witness very you know, everything is in science and

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references and citations and trying to put it all together

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on what you know, what makes a real bigfoot witness

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seem credible, what makes a phony bigfoot witness sound not

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so credible, and how to kind.

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Of tell the difference.

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And then we talk about other things like PTSD and

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and why we don't get good photographs and pictures.

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Well, I decided to start.

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Doing a scientific paper on the psychology of bigfoot witnesses.

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And when I got done with it, I was like,

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you know, I should do this on all the great

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questions and my philosophies and the reason why you know,

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when people say, you know, well can bigfoot use in

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for sound? Well can it? Let's do the research on it,

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let's look it up, let's take some sources, and before

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you know it, in the book, I have forty nine

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separate scientific papers broken up into three separate categories, with

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an introductory scientific paper and an epilogue scientific paper which

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it'd be very quite. The introductory one is basically making

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a case for a bigfoots as or creating a scientific

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profile of the Bigfoot, and at the very end is

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all the evidence that supports Bigfoot being a real creature.

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Nice, I was trying to pull the paper up here,

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I had it saved into my can I ask a question,

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You can ask all you want to, Buddy.

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So you've been gathering evidence of witnesses for.

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How many years?

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Since nineteen ninety eight?

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Okay, so this might work.

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I'm not sure have you noticed that at the physical

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representation of witnesses idea of what Bigfoot has has evolved

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to what is shown on multimedia and movies and things

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like that. Like lately, I've noticed a lot of the

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Bigfoot esque hype. Things all look like Harry from Harry

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and the Hendersons, But before that movie came out, they

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had a different look.

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It's kind of like how all the grays kind.

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Of look like the given alien from like Paul or

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the given alien from another movie or Close Encounters of

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the Third Kind, but originally they looked slightly different.

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Do you see that evolution too?

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No, and actuality. In New York, the Bigfoot are actually

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described as quite lanky. As a matter of fact, one witness

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I talked to last year or I'm sorry the year

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before last said it looked like almost like a hippie.

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He goes, it just was.

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Like kind of, you know, very longish, shaggy, you know,

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grayish hair. It wasn't even a brown or a reddish

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brown or a black they put it was kind of grayish.

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So I have not seen that most of that.

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Most of the time, we don't see that robust, hairy

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Harry and the Henderson's type big foot. Here in New York,

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we always see the lanky, which which to me kind

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of supports that people are all seeing the same type

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of creature because of the description.

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Well thank you, because I get a lot.

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I mean, me and Shawn go to a lot of

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these places and people come up with the stories, and

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I've just noticed that the narrative or what the story

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looks like, Like my friend Snuffy makes some really cool bigfoots.

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They all have that look.

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But he's doing it as an artist and that's what

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he's using it from interpreting from not just Harry, but.

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You know whatever.

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But I noticed that a lot of the people when

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they start explaining bigfoot, and me and Foker and Matt

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have had this conversation multiple times.

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We teach people how to fake sightings. We teach people how.

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We don't mean to, but we have the conversation. People

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listen and then they fake something, you know what I mean.

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But I want to know if you were catching any

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of that.

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Well, well, throughout history, you know, we you know, as

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you know creatures of habit, we tend to describe things

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like we know them. You go back to the eighteen hundreds,

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everybody called them wild men, right, you know, but they

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would describe essentially the same thing, large footprints covered in

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reddish brown hair or brownish hair.

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I've heard them described it.

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I've seen newspaper reports from the eighteen hundred describing them

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as bear men. And then you know, somebody said there

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was you know, gorillas loose in the woods.

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You know.

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So as we got to know the known creatures, people

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kind of associated what they look like with them.

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I'm just going to say this, I really have to

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to interrupt here. So Steve, you mentioned about a witness

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stating that it looked like a hippie and these guys here. Now,

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my mom had an encounter, you know, back in the

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nineteen eighties, and she doesn't know anything about you know,

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but she described it as like a long stringy hair,

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you know, like rock type person. You know, she didn't

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use the term hippie, but she used the term, you know,

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like you know, somebody you'd see walking down the road

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with the long, greasy hair, And that's exactly. But she

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said it was a monster. It had a nape like face.

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But as soon as you said that, I was like, wow,

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that hit the nail on the head.

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We do have a question here from Scott the chat.

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Scott asked, picking up from Baker's line of thought, do

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you feel though that there are enough stories out there

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now that people could create a credible sounding report without

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a personal experience.

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Well, one of the things I try to do is

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educate people, because yeah, people can create credible sounding stories,

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but they fall apart upon questioning, and a lot of times.

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Even the stories break apart.

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And I'll give you a great example from the famous case,

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the bigfoot peeper case, where the guy had filmed this

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thing in the window originally this is before and he

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had the pictures. You know, he's saying he sat there

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and filmed it for seven minutes.

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Then his wife came in and screamed. So then.

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I put my camera down and I got my gun. Well,

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why why would you film it for eight minutes? And

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then because your wide screams, you feel the need to

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get your gun. You know, if what I've tried to

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do is try to take it from a like a

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criminal psychology type of work, look at the the pre

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offense behavior, of the offense behavior, and the post offense behavior,

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and if none of it makes sense, and that obviously

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didn't make sense, is like, wait a minute, you're filming

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for seven minutes and your wife walks, and you didn't

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say anything to your wife, Hey, honey, look out the window,

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and then when she screams, then you then you decide

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to put your camera down and get your None of

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it makes sense.

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Yeah, So a lot of the stories.

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That come out that come out, and there was a

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recent one I just did on my show and I

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don't have the details enough of my head to paraphrase

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it too well. But again, the story did not It

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broke down because it did not make natural order sense

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or psychological sense.

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No, And I think you know, the frame of thought

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that you're on is spot on people's behaviors often a

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lot more telling than what they're actually saying right, and

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I think, you know, I think you're one of the

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people to teach me that a long time ago. But

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it's the things that aren't said that are the giveaways.

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And to your point, and that one, you know, I

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don't know how many people if you have other folks

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around you see something so extraordinary, you're not going to

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call somebody and say, hey, someone else, get a set

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of eyes on this, What the hell is this? And

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in that particular instance, you know, the wife comes in

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the room and screams, you know, probably didn't happen, You're right,

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more likely didn't happen that way. I just have my

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seat in my mind Steve going after that guy like

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George Anderson does with the guy in the bike. Do

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you know what I'm talking about? Like, Yeah, what you

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really did is got scared and ship your pants and

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you know, fell off your bike. He didn't touch it,

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you know, and it was all It's all downhill from there.

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But when you go through. I finally got the book

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pulled up here again. I thought I had it saved

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in my files, but it doesn't like that. And folks,

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I'm not kidding here when I say it's comper hints

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of the table of contents, though we were saying right

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before we came up, if you're somebody that's going to

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use this as a reference book, somebody that's going to

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use it to help them along. Steve has this framed

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out very well because it's broken up in sections biological, psychological,

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social science, and case studies furthering the research. I mean,

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it's all there, and I haven't made it all the

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way through the book yet. It's almost the size of

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Sasquatch Games among us. Steve, you might have the next

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book here to go up on the shelf next to it,

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But there are some very important topics that he touches

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on in here, and guys, there are topics that we've

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touched in the past, but one are the interesting ones.

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I want to talk to you about, Steve, camouflage, because

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you know we hear all the time. Is it become

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a woo thing or a situation where this thing kind

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of looks like the predator the Shimmerman scenario going on

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out there, But how Bigfoot just disappears or how it reappears.

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What's your thoughts on that. We don't have to go

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into the whole giveaway because we are trying to sell

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a book here for you. But you know, some interesting

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topics that I think we didn't talk about. This is

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well of them.

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Well, you know, it's kind of funny. I covered this

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in a couple of different ways. In one particular way

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in the new book, I cover it more of the

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animal world type of nature is that you know, there's

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lots of you know, creatures that adapt, including jimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans.

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They have natural camouflage. They blend just like a deer.

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A deer blends toe into the forest. You hear a

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lot of times people see a deer cross the road.

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As soon as it goes into the forest, you look

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as you're driving by, you don't see it. It didn't cloak,

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it didn't jump into a portal, it didn't shape shift,

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it didn't it didn't turn into the predator. It just

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naturally blends and with the fauna. Now, if you add

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a little bit of the psychology element of that, now

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you're seeing something and your mind is stuttering a little

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bit to figure out what am I looking at? And

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by the time you're looking it's gone and you've completely

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lost your kind of bearing on it. So there's a

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lot of normal reasons why Bigfoot disappears.

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Into the woods.

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It's not because its shape shifts or it's translucent or

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any of that. There's a lot of stuff that that

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you know, obviously our metabolism or primate metabolism is not

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high enough to do those sorts of things. That's you know,

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is basically claimed by the WU factor.

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Well we sorry, go ahead, Jis.

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We had this actually same discussion multiple times. Was So,

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I'm digging a hole for my golf course, my mini.

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Put and I'm putting in one of those plast liners

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and I'm digging. I got a pick axe, I'm digging everything.

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There's a deer behind me, maybe as close as the.

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The behind me is from where I am.

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He's been there fifteen minutes that I can think of.

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There's a deer across the thing. They both see me

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the whole time, but I didn't recognize they were there

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until the one deer decided to make enough noise that

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I heard him. And I think that's what people don't realize.

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Also is is because we're walking into their territory, they're

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aware we exist, and then we acknowledge their existence, but

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by then they already have.

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Oh, Hey, Bob's over there, Steve's over there.

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I'm watching him, but I also know my exit planned

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if Steve notices me, and.

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I don't want to interact anymore.

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Where you're just like, oh, you're here, and then they're gone,

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and you're like, oh, it's got to be It's not magic.

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They've planned that whole interaction right now.

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Now, just picture that being a primate doing that, not

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an ungulate.

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How much more smarter is that going to be?

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Right?

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And one of the things I appreciate about again going

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into the book is in each one of these sections,

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each one of these papers, you do have it chimpanzees, gorillas, right,

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You have known animal behaviors and no animal characteristics as

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a reference point in there. So you do a lot

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of the homework for the people that are reading this book,

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which is, you know, the purpose of you actually are

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writing a scientific paper people like you, you know, give

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a damn about and want to learn something from. Particularly,

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the camouflage is important because I think you touch in

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there too on you know, the type of hair, hair

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coloration it you know, the coloration being important because of

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how easily it can blend into the environment, the natural

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environment Banker, you're talking about deer. You know that deer

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is the perfect color to blend into the area around it.

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Why would a bigfoot be any different in that respect?

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Bears are that way, other animals that reside in the

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wilderness are that way. But now think about it, what

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was the was it the now I'm losing my train

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of thought here, But there was an animal whose hair

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is designed pretty much to kind of take on that

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characteristics or you know, reflect that coloration, and you know,

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make it maybe it's a bear right that, you know,

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make it even more susceptible than you in No, you're right,

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because I think it was you that brought brought it

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up to me bakery and got me the zoo books

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when I was good, and that's where he ended his

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uh his education. You make you make a perfect point?

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Is The thing with the deer is, though, is like

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I was.

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In their habitat.

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I was making all kinds of noise, so they knew

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where I was exactly, and I had no clue they

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were stalking at me. If it would have been a

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bear or something huger than wanted to kill me, I's

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done because I haven't noticed.

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Until they come at me. But just like most people

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that have an encounter with a big foot, you're just

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doing everyday things. You're not doing anything out of the ordinary.

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I was just watching this one of these last episodes,

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I think was Skyline Sasquatch. They were talking to Mike

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Lucci and we were talking to Mike on the video,

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and Mike's like, you know, when I looked at all

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these reports, at least over sixteen percent of these reports

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were driving encounters, people seeing these things as they're driving.

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You know, when most folks, unless you're us and you're

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out there with the express purpose of trying to look

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for bigfoot, aren't out there trying to find bigfoot. They're

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just doing their normal, everyday thing. And I think when

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they stumble upon a bigfoot, I really believe it was

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because the bigfoot made a mistake.

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Now, you know what, I don't think that's necessarily true.

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I think the bigfoot's just going about is a lot

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of times, like you have the roadside crossings and stuff

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like that, that's just a.

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Bigfoot doing their things.

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That's normal thing, right.

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I don't think they made a mistake.

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I think it's just a complete happenstance, Like because a

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lot of times the Bigfoot looks just as surprised as.

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We do in most situations. And I could see to

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that point. I think what I'm talking about is some

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of these more like obscure in the woods type sightings.

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Maybe not so much the roadside one, Steve, because I

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think you might have a point there. But these things

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are seen accidentally, and that would be the hence it's

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surprise too, like Wow, I can't believe my slip yap

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and screwed up. But then there's these reports, you know,

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these things stepping out of portals and these things. And

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I just had an interview earlier today and the host

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was really pressing on some of the more paranormal aspects

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of this, and fairly he had a lot of, you know,

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interesting questions like how do we know it's not true

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because we can't, Steve, you make this point in your book,

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like it's not I'll let you make your point again.

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Well, the biggest thing about adding the paranormal aspect to

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this is something called anthropomorphism.

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Right, we tend to assign human thought processes, human behaviors,

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and human.

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Motives to animals that are not humans. We cannot even

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do that with chimpanzees. And I just finished up another book,

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What would Sasquatch Do Too, which is coming out in April. Again,

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very much like this book, except for it's a little less.

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It's not written like a scientific paper or sorry, a

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series of papers. It goes in different chapters. It discusses

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the behaviors of that, and I discuss anthropomorphism in that

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as well, and we can very easily assign, you know,

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and admittedly there were some primatologists that originally had anthropomorphosized

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some chimpanzee behaviors and then they realized who we were wrong,

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It was actually the and why they were doing this

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was because of this like you always hear that thing, Well,

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if you kill this asquatch, if there's a dead body,

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you better look out because they're going to be coming

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back for revenge. Revenge is as a human motive, right right,

463
00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:20.559
that's anthropot morph as an animals in wildlife, including chimpanzees,

464
00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:22.480
don't have this revenge motive.

465
00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:24.640
I'm gonna get I'm gonna get even with this guy.

466
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:25.759
They just don't have that.

467
00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:31.799
Steve, we have another question from Scott. Scott asked do

468
00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:35.839
you feel that as we have become more civilized, our

469
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:38.400
ability to see animals or be aware of creatures in

470
00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:42.559
nature has decreased. By being able to see deer bigfoot

471
00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:46.000
in their natural habitat, have we distracted ourselves to the point, Steve,

472
00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:50.160
that we can't even notice them when they are around?

473
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:56.359
It depends again. It's I'll give you a great example.

474
00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:01.960
We are attuned to our environment, all right. You ask

475
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.599
somebody that grew up on the streets of New York City.

476
00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:07.440
They can stand on the street corner if somebody shady

477
00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:09.359
comes walking around the corner, they're gonna know it in

478
00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:10.000
a heartbeat.

479
00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:10.680
Right.

480
00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:14.880
If you grew up in the woods or the forest,

481
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:18.640
you're gonna know when something is a mess. So it

482
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:23.759
doesn't have to do with necessarily our intelligence or losing something.

483
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:27.559
It just happens to where our natural habitat is. The

484
00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:31.319
forest is no longer our habitat. It's it's the urban

485
00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:34.119
jungles that are our habitats now, right.

486
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:36.960
Fair enough, folks were at that time of the mid show,

487
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:39.519
We're gonna take our break, folks. You're listening to the

488
00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:43.079
Sasquatch Experience showing Forker, James Baker, Matt Arner, Henry May

489
00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:46.359
with our guest tonight, Steve Coles Vince Nesbit is out

490
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:48.079
for the evening, but he did leave us with this

491
00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:50.880
nice little ditty, so we'll catch on the flip side, folks,

492
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:51.799
stay tuned.

493
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:54.880
New Steam A symbol.

494
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:03.480
I want a dog. You guys have dogs? You got dog? Hell?

495
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:05.480
Yeah, man, you're right under my nose this whole time.

496
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:07.480
You got two dogs. One of them is husky and

497
00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:13.359
ones an Australian shepherd. What is it a lab? And Okay,

498
00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:16.920
I wasn't close at all, but you have an energy

499
00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:18.799
that's like you know what? Sure, that's what I got?

500
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:21.839
Man? Ah.

501
00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:27.079
Yes, fur babies. You know our friends, the far Georgio's

502
00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:30.559
they lost a fur baby family member, and all of

503
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:33.799
us here at the Sasquatch Experience want to extend our

504
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:38.960
condolences to Eric and Carrie far Georgio. Iggy was a

505
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:43.279
good pup. And on that note, happy Monday night to

506
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:47.480
you all. As the cold wind and snow blows, but

507
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:51.240
out of Ohio there was an Ohio hunter could not

508
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:54.640
believe his eyes when he ascended his tree stand and

509
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:58.599
spotted what appeared to be bigfoot bounding across a field.

510
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:04.720
Witness Andrew Bonn reported the possible sasquatch sighting, which occurred

511
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:08.519
on the afternoon of December twenty eighth near the community

512
00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:14.400
of Mansfield, Ohio. He reported this to the BFROO late

513
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:19.000
last month. While appreciating the expanse of view provided by

514
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:23.839
a newly installed tree stand, the hunter recalled he suddenly

515
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:28.960
caught sight of something unusual off in the distance. Quote

516
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:33.319
it was a bigfoot, Bond marveled or a very big person,

517
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:38.359
fast moving across a wide open field. The peculiar biped

518
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:43.480
creature he observed took fast, big steps, not running, but

519
00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:48.680
still covering ground faster than someone should. It seemed very odd,

520
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:53.920
Bonn explained, and explained excuse me that he noticed the

521
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:58.400
mysterious figure because it was dark in color, which caused

522
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:01.640
it to stand out from the wheat field it was crossing.

523
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:02.720
Quote.

524
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:06.200
I was looking for deer and saw this thing, the

525
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:09.680
hunter wrote, and I almost freaked out. I would have

526
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:15.359
freaked out. Bond subsequently descended the tree stand to allow

527
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.400
his stepfather a chance to see the creature, but it

528
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:21.599
had vanished into the woods before he could catch a

529
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:26.640
glimpse of it. A follow up investigation by Matt Moneymaker

530
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:32.160
found the sighting report to be credible, the Sasquatch researcher

531
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:37.880
specified and pointed to Bond's observation of the creature moving

532
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:43.680
with brisk strides rather than full out run as an

533
00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:49.039
indication that the figure could very well have been a

534
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:56.519
baked for it when we come back. Ow. Fuck, see

535
00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:57.160
what I did there.

536
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:04.000
You're listening to the big football hunt right here on

537
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538
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550
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It's the twenty twenty five Fuk Monster Festival celebrating the

551
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Falk Monster and the legend of Boggy Creek, brought to

552
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you by our friend Craig Woolheater, April twenty fifth from

553
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seven pm through April twenty six to eight pm of

554
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twenty twenty five. The location for this event is to

555
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:04.720
zero one East Redcut Road in Foalk, Arkansas. There are

556
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:11.079
confirmed speakers which a follows Chester Moore, Todd Nise, Daniel,

557
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:18.240
Allen Jones, Mitchell Whittington and Jeff Stewart. Thanks again for

558
00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:21.680
listening to this edition of the big Foot Bullhorn right

559
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:26.680
here on the Sasquatch Experience. And as Steve calls, Allie says,

560
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:29.240
after slapping a big foot in the face with a

561
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:32.839
white glove, until we meet again, keep you in.

562
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:46.119
The Vance nesbit, folks, I challenge you to a duel, sir,

563
00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:52.319
you big Harry, Big Harry bastard and folks, just to clarify,

564
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:57.319
that's got knockers dot Org, got knockers dot orgy. I

565
00:33:57.480 --> 00:33:59.839
like to throw that out there because Vance always kind

566
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:04.519
of you never know what Vance is gonna throw out

567
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:06.119
there with that. But Willie wish Vance was here with

568
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:08.800
us tonight, Thoughie he had some very important things to

569
00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:11.559
take care of, more important than us, but we do

570
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:14.159
appreciate him setting along this week's big Foot bull Horn

571
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:25.320
and again the falc Arkansas Monster Conference. Go check that out, Steve,

572
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:26.880
have you been down to one of those yet?

573
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:34.119
I spoke at the twenty I think I spoke that

574
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:39.559
was the twentieth. Yeah, the twenty anniversary Texas Bigfoot Conference.

575
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:41.239
You had to look at one of his posters in

576
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:44.679
the water. I did, Steve and I even before we

577
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:47.679
came on air tonight. We forget which conferences we've gone

578
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:50.800
to because we've gone to so many, and that's one

579
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.920
of the downsides to knowing each other for so long,

580
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:57.400
but being around you have to remember it. Once upon

581
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:03.480
a time there weren't so many conferences. Now there's almost

582
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:05.840
a different one a weekend, which is not necessarily a

583
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:08.480
bad thing, because you know, we want this to be

584
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:14.360
a you know, a lucrative experience. Oouch, damn it again,

585
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:19.719
a lucrative experience for everybody. But it's just a lot.

586
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.320
Is that Mike spring loaded?

587
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:26.559
I don't know what you know. I switched boom Arms

588
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:30.800
tonight because it the old one just wasn't cutting it.

589
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:33.440
But every time I turn around, I smacked myself in

590
00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:37.199
the face of the boom. Here comes the boom. That's

591
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:39.880
gonna be the new tagline for the show, Big Thanks. Anyhow,

592
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:42.880
back to the important thing Steve called. So we were

593
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:45.800
before we went on break. We were talking about camouflage

594
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:48.960
and had some good discussion around that. But a couple

595
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:50.960
more topics that I think we have to go into

596
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:53.880
Steve is you know, you have an interesting piece on

597
00:35:53.960 --> 00:36:00.280
vocalizations in there, and vocalizations are interesting, right, And I

598
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:03.400
like how you break it down and you give associated

599
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:06.679
primates with the type of calls they're known for and

600
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:09.280
what they mean. And when we were on another show,

601
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:14.159
you and myself and Eric Altman, we were on Billy

602
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:18.000
Willard Show Sasquatch Watch Radio. We were talking about communication

603
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:19.800
and I think you and I are pretty much aligned

604
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:25.559
here on on communicating and I think it does kind

605
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:28.559
of relevate to the intelligence that they hold.

606
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:34.239
Right, Yeah, I mean they are are intelligent.

607
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:39.920
They may not have as an extensive communications set as

608
00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:43.599
we do. They don't write things, right, you know that

609
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:48.039
that is a whole other level. They're not seen, you know,

610
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:50.360
I know there's a lot of people that think, oh, well,

611
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:53.880
they speak like a language such as this or that.

612
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:57.360
But if you compare them, you know, if you compare

613
00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:03.480
that again anthropomorphism sting into that theory as well. But

614
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:06.239
the other thing is, we don't see them using fire,

615
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:09.960
we don't see them using complicated tools. You know, if

616
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:14.119
they're going to actually have an advanced language such as US,

617
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:17.599
one would think or you know, some people say, oh,

618
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:20.159
it sounds like a native American language or whatever.

619
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:22.119
You know, if they were to have.

620
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:23.960
A language, you would think they would be a little

621
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:27.559
more far along the evolutionary chain, using fire, using a

622
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:30.119
little more complicated tools, they would be in the next

623
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:31.119
step of evolution.

624
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:32.159
But they're not.

625
00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:36.559
Yeah, I agree with that. And the different types of

626
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:39.679
primates and the different types of vocalizations that they use.

627
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:46.239
You've what have you noticed in similarities between sasquatch and

628
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:48.639
known primates.

629
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:52.199
Well, you know, from what the biggest thing I've noticed

630
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:56.159
is the hoots, the whoops, the whoops and the hoots.

631
00:37:57.320 --> 00:37:57.559
You know.

632
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:02.119
Myself and I was out a couple of years ago

633
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:06.079
in my research area, one where I've had two sightings

634
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:10.800
my own self amongst other people over the years It's

635
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:12.639
where the Ford m cast came from.

636
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.679
It's, you know, where my primary research area.

637
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:17.679
A couple of years ago I was out there with

638
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:22.559
with Mike Lucci and Alex Pettakov and a filmmaker by

639
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:26.800
the name of Eric Swanson, and Eric had his recorders

640
00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:32.639
going thank goodness, and I am in the camp and

641
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:36.840
Alex and Mike and Eric are on the roadside and

642
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:39.239
I start, I start, I whistle a couple of times

643
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:41.039
and I go, come on, fellas, I've been coming up

644
00:38:41.079 --> 00:38:44.039
there for twenty years. You know who I am. Come on,

645
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:48.880
just make yourself known. And you know, within two and

646
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:52.840
a half minutes we get a whoop call and it

647
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:55.519
was recorded by Eric and it was clear as day.

648
00:38:56.960 --> 00:39:01.440
So they do respond. And again that's ante morph advising

649
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:03.519
a little bit on my end by speaking English to them,

650
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:06.199
but I figured they know my voice. They hear me

651
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:09.960
for the last twenty years of going to this research area,

652
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:14.360
and in twenty ten through twenty thirteen, they were very

653
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:17.079
responsive when they would hear me. I would always come there.

654
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:23.199
I've always came there and announced myself. And very similar

655
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:25.639
to the way Jane Goodall did it with the chimps

656
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:28.559
and the way Dianne Fosse did it with the gorillas.

657
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:31.320
Is you got to make yourself known. If you keep

658
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:34.599
making yourself known and they realize you're not a threat,

659
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.760
then they're liable to kind of warm up to you

660
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:38.519
a little bit.

661
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:38.960
Right.

662
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:42.039
Well, it's kind of no different than cats or dogs. Right.

663
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:44.599
They may not understand a lick of our English, but

664
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:48.519
they sure do understand our tone, they understand our intent. Right,

665
00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:53.199
And while it's not we don't anthropomorphosize them, we do

666
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:55.280
kind of in a way where we give the more

667
00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:58.880
attributes that they understand a lot more than they actually do, right,

668
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:03.639
And I think think it's healthy to try to, you know,

669
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:08.519
project some of that. I several times going on a.

670
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:13.960
Really interesting note, Sean, this is something dogs that do

671
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:19.239
that chimpanzees cannot, and that is do you know dogs

672
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:23.480
are born with the ability to look where we point

673
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:28.360
in their DNA. Interesting, They puppies will do it. You

674
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:30.559
start pointing at a puppy and the puppy will look.

675
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:34.840
But they've tried it with wolves, they've tried it with foxes,

676
00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:38.239
and they've tried it with chimpanzees and none of them

677
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:38.880
do that.

678
00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:45.760
And it's just probably from domestication through DNA. It's a DNA, right, Well,

679
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:48.840
you know we've often talked about that kind of response.

680
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:55.320
You know, we have a embedded response to certain situations. Right,

681
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:58.000
it's almost like a learned behavior that's been you know,

682
00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:00.800
a DNA passed through. Right, Why would that be any

683
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:03.360
different from dogs? And we've been domesticating them for thousands

684
00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:06.159
of years, so, like, it's not new. I think that's

685
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:08.840
fascinating though I didn't know that until it said that.

686
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:11.760
That's why you're like, but again, though, you know.

687
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:16.159
That's not projected, that's proven, right.

688
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:20.480
That's evolution. It's just how they evolved.

689
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:24.360
Matt Henry Bank, any questions for Steve Here in the

690
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:33.639
vocalizations category, you're muted, Matt, almost unmuted.

691
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:36.199
There you go, there you go.

692
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:38.360
No, I was just gonna say the whole thing with

693
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:41.280
the pointing thing. I know my dog every time I point,

694
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:46.440
she doesn't look that way. Yeah, she's she just does

695
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:47.119
her own thing.

696
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:48.239
What kind of dog.

697
00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:53.000
It's a pug, just like oh yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

698
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:55.800
If I had food there, maybe she would she would

699
00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:59.960
do that. But uh so you go into the differ

700
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:07.119
different type of vocalizations through prime eates what was besides

701
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:11.719
the whoop? What other vocalization do you think is key

702
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:14.159
for Sasquatch.

703
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:21.679
I think the biggest one is not so much the

704
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:26.320
scream because they're from a distance. The vocals I like

705
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:28.239
to hear are the ones that are closer by the

706
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:32.599
whoops and probably a grunt or two.

707
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:34.880
Now.

708
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:38.880
I caught a one, believe it or not, on my

709
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:43.320
recorder back in twenty ten. And what we did is

710
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:45.400
I left a recorder going in the camp and we

711
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:50.920
left the camp to go walking. And within a half

712
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:53.960
hour of that recorder being there, something you could hear

713
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:57.119
something walking up to You can hear leaf litter movement,

714
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:05.000
and you just shar this. So the grunt thing is

715
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:08.280
very you know, that's more of a to me. It's

716
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:13.599
more of a curiosity thing to them, you know. But

717
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:17.159
the whoop, their whoops, the reason why they're so important

718
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:22.360
is that is their way of checking in, you know,

719
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:25.280
and if they're gonna whoop, but yeah, they're just checking in,

720
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:28.480
and that means you're looking at a more friendly encounter,

721
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:30.719
you know.

722
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:32.960
And in my in my research area, we.

723
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:37.519
Had and I'm going to give away a little secret,

724
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:40.920
I have a bonus in what would sasquatch do coming out.

725
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:44.480
It's a series of pictures where we actually got a

726
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:47.960
profile of what we believe is one of the creatures.

727
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:51.920
We got an eve shine as it's walking by us,

728
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:54.679
just one eye, just one eye, and you actually have

729
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:56.800
a series of two pictures. We heard it and I

730
00:43:56.840 --> 00:43:59.360
had a flash camera. This goes back to twenty I

731
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:05.039
think twelve. But as they get to know you, we

732
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:08.159
would constantly have this movement in towards our camp. We

733
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:11.320
would go out, they would move back, and then we

734
00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:13.199
would go back to camp, and then they would come

735
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:15.599
back in and this would go on all night long,

736
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:18.840
you know. And there would be times we had walk

737
00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:23.400
down the roadway and we would be parallel, parallel, we'd

738
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:27.000
hear something walking on both sides of the road with us.

739
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:30.280
To the point where I came back and I sent

740
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:31.719
my son and his buddy down.

741
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:33.320
I go to a walk down. Let me know what.

742
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:36.000
They came back and something was following us on both

743
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:40.960
sides of the road, Like uh huh. So you get

744
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:43.360
this case, and that was the whole goal at that time.

745
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:46.360
We were really building that interaction. But over the years,

746
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:51.000
something terrible happened was called the pandemic and what happened

747
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:55.000
is everybody went to the woods, and for the last

748
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:57.599
couple of years it's been really quiet there, but then

749
00:44:57.599 --> 00:44:57.880
all of a.

750
00:44:57.880 --> 00:44:59.800
Sudden it's starting to pick up a little bit again.

751
00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:04.920
Yeah, you know, that's a good point though, the increased

752
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:07.880
activity of folks going into the wilderness because it's the

753
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:11.079
only place you could go. You know, I had to

754
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:13.519
have stirred up, you know, and pushed them away or

755
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:16.400
pushed them further into these spots that they do go to.

756
00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:20.719
It made a big difference, I think, or Matt and

757
00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:25.519
I because we live in such we research in such

758
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.159
a remote area. I think we were lucky, Steve, just

759
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:32.280
because population density there weren't a lot more people going

760
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:34.840
to these areas. You know, we're not the areas we

761
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:39.199
search aren't really a state park in a park, but

762
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:42.039
it's not an area people go. There's no attraction to

763
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:45.239
go there outside of hunting season. Would you agree with that, Matt, Like,

764
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:48.079
there's nothing really driving folks there.

765
00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:54.800
Arbitrarily, Yeah, I mean this area here, it's so remote

766
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:59.039
and it has the area where we're at, we're right

767
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:05.199
next to the largest roadless area in Pennsylvania. So really

768
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:07.679
the only people that come up there are you know,

769
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:12.760
fisherman hunters and you know people camping and backpacking. And

770
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:15.639
when people backpack, they're just staying on the trail. They're

771
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:19.159
not going off trail. They're not going into the into

772
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:23.280
the deep hollows that you know I've been exploring. And

773
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:27.480
but the problem is is that there's so many of

774
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:32.000
them up there that it's like looking for a needle

775
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:32.719
in a haystack.

776
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:36.039
Oh good god. Well you can get lost, Steve, just

777
00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:38.440
by driving the back roads if you didn't have an

778
00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:41.440
expert like Matt uh Take. We have to get you

779
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:45.239
up here or down here to our area. You know,

780
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:48.079
Steve's to the north of us. We have to get

781
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:50.599
him out to the area. We just had Alex and

782
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:53.800
Mike Lucci there last year, and they've been coming out

783
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:57.599
with us because it's an area of high interest. I think, Yeah,

784
00:46:57.639 --> 00:46:59.599
we'd like to see you get out.

785
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:01.159
You got you guys got to come up to the

786
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:05.000
Adiron to accident fall time, yea, and come up to

787
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:07.960
my research area because it's always there's always something that

788
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:11.239
goes on, you know, not always.

789
00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:15.000
But we we have to. We have to. I'm a

790
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:17.400
I'm a big fan of squatching. When the weather's a

791
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:19.800
little cooler. I'm getting a little older and a little fatter,

792
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:25.280
so don't exactly enjoy the humidity if you catch the drift.

793
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:26.599
And that's the other thing too.

794
00:47:26.679 --> 00:47:29.440
In that particular part where I'm at, the peak season

795
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:33.880
seems to be August, September, October, November and dies out,

796
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:35.320
you know, through mid December.

797
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:37.400
Right now, Why do you think that is? Do you

798
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:41.039
think the activity dies down, Steve and they go to

799
00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:43.159
areas where it's a little bit more temperate, or do

800
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:45.880
you think it's because there's not a lot of people

801
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:47.239
out there to report it?

802
00:47:48.199 --> 00:47:51.920
Well, the reason why I think, I mean, I'm not

803
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:54.840
sure the reason why they go to that particular area

804
00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:58.320
in the first place. But if you look at.

805
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:02.800
The dynamics of the area, you have the you know, Whitehall,

806
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:05.039
New York, which is the Bigfoot capital of New York,

807
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:09.119
right and it's nestled in between the eastern side of

808
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:12.719
the Adirondack State Park and the Green Mountain National Forest.

809
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:15.119
Now in the Adirondacks.

810
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:18.840
In the fall time, by the winter time, all the

811
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:22.480
trees in that part of the Adirondacks, which is maple

812
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:28.039
birch oak, they all lose their leaves so there's no cover,

813
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:34.639
but the Green Mountain National Forest is you know, deciduous

814
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:38.800
fir trees and evergreen. So I think what happens is

815
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.840
we think we've noticed there's a movement in the springtime

816
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:47.159
into the Adirondacks, and in the fall time it's back

817
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:52.800
to the Green Mountains, or right by December, I should say,

818
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:55.639
it's back to the Green Mountains. And what's in the

819
00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:58.039
crossairs Whitehall, New York, which is why they have so

820
00:48:58.119 --> 00:48:58.960
many sightings.

821
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:03.840
Right, it's Matt. You were kind of on this last

822
00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:09.360
episode of Skyline Sasquatch. Yeah, the Adirondack Bigfoot Files. You

823
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:13.079
kind were talking about that yourself, but you know about

824
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:17.119
the the transversing of the Appalachian Trail, but also the

825
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:19.360
you know, I don't want to call it migration because

826
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:23.679
it's really not migration but movement Sasquatch movement. Ye, which,

827
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:25.079
by the way, folks, if they haven't, they got to

828
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:25.679
check that out.

829
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:30.679
It's actually it's actually a seasonal migration, and it is

830
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:34.639
you know what it is common amongst primates. We did

831
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:38.320
it as Aboriginal Native Americans. You know, they had their

832
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:42.880
summer homes and their winter homes too, So right, it's

833
00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:47.559
it's the beautiful thing about primate behavior. It's constant amongst.

834
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:48.920
All of the great apes.

835
00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:52.880
Ye, more info for you folks. That's why we like

836
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:54.880
to have people like Steve on the show to help

837
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:59.280
educate some of the dumb ones like us, Henry, what

838
00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:08.239
do you got see? You're popping there? Brother, he's muted. No,

839
00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:14.039
hold on a second, I think, Henry, hold on, try

840
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:20.480
that again, Mulla me testing testing, Now, we gotcha.

841
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:29.039
Oh okay, No, I had a statement and I wanted

842
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:34.320
to make about how people get into the wood and everything. Well,

843
00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:38.000
you know, the lad John Green said he didn't feel comfortable.

844
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:41.719
He didn't he didn't feel there's anything attractive about bringing

845
00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:46.239
about solving one mystery by bringing in another mystery, which

846
00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:47.440
I ever to agree with.

847
00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:53.159
Well, you know, the the amazing thing about that is

848
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:57.239
it is attractive to a lot of people for the

849
00:50:57.320 --> 00:50:59.800
fact is it gives them an out or a way

850
00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:01.679
to explain everything.

851
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:02.639
You know.

852
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:07.760
Well, the reason it's paranormal, you know, it's trying to

853
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:12.400
explain something without explaining it. And I think for some

854
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:19.079
people who are like Eric Becher, for example, who was

855
00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:22.840
a flesh and blood guy, right, but he's so anthropocentric,

856
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:26.239
meaning that he thinks that his species is the smartest

857
00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:31.119
of them all. No, right, that that that's the reason

858
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:33.920
why we get because they're they're smarter than us. They

859
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:36.400
are you know, they can do all this magical stuff,

860
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:41.599
and that that will explain away why we can't find them.

861
00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:43.000
And that's just not good enough.

862
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:45.840
That's just the one thing that always frustrates me about

863
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:53.400
that is there's no proof whatsoever anywhere about all these claims.

864
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:57.159
Folks make that attribute to these behaviors. What other creature

865
00:51:57.320 --> 00:52:03.440
transversus dimensions? What other creatures speak to us telepathically like

866
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:06.760
what other It's not documented, it's not proven, and so

867
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:14.599
why try to spin these ridiculous notions to something that

868
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:17.199
we have a hard time proving in flesh and blood terms.

869
00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:20.039
To people, I mean, yeah, there are many of us

870
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:22.800
that know this thing exists or would like this thing

871
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:26.960
to exist, and are comfortable making that statement. But to

872
00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:31.400
the overall general public and to the scientific community, it's

873
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:33.800
not accepted as fact. That and when you put those

874
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:36.920
things out there makes us look even lunier than looking

875
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:39.920
for giant apes out in the woods. Like it doesn't help.

876
00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:44.079
The problem is is they listen to certain people who

877
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:49.559
have illusionary superiority. And what happens is they begin to

878
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:53.039
believe in what they are hearing, and then they become

879
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:56.559
what we call something called they have cognitive dissonance. They

880
00:52:56.599 --> 00:52:59.679
don't want to listen to scientific fact. They totally reject

881
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:04.760
the facts as they see them. You know, you see

882
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:08.000
cognitive dissonance when it comes to the Catchum study. You

883
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:12.360
see Melba instead of taking what other scienceists are saying,

884
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:15.960
instead you have her say it's a conspiracy against me.

885
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:24.719
You know, it's very apparent that you know. And you

886
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:28.320
couple that with illusionary superiority, where a veterinarian thinks they're

887
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:31.960
a genetics expert, and you begin to see a trend.

888
00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:34.360
And what happens is you get a bunch of people

889
00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:37.480
that follow these people, and then they begin to.

890
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:39.800
Pile on it. Before you know it, you have a

891
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:42.920
religion more than you have a science.

892
00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:45.880
Right, and that gets dangerous and it becomes cult like it.

893
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:50.920
And it's not that I begrudge anybody steve from having

894
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:53.639
their own opinions. That's fine. It's when you start forcing

895
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:57.280
them at people and saying things with such certainty that

896
00:53:57.400 --> 00:54:02.280
it becomes offensive and it becomes detrimental to the work

897
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:04.320
the rest of us are trying to do, and it's

898
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:09.360
where it just doesn't it's not where it belongs. We

899
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:11.840
do have a comment here, I'll pull up from Ron

900
00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:15.280
Meldrum explaining Bigfoot mysteries with WU is like saying your

901
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:19.199
cell phone works on magic right. Well, you know, I

902
00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:22.719
guess if we showed these cell phones to the you know,

903
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:25.800
unindoctrinated or folks that don't know that technology exists, it

904
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:28.400
would be magic right. Isn't there an Arthur C. Clark

905
00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:33.039
quote around that or a quote from someone around indistinguishable

906
00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:33.519
from magic?

907
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:41.239
Today's science was yesterday's magic, right? And I forget what

908
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:44.599
movie they came from. That was a quote from a movie.

909
00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:50.840
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, Arthur C. Clerk.

910
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:53.920
I knew he did. He had a quote on that somewhere,

911
00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:56.599
and that's true. I mean, but you know, we're not

912
00:54:56.719 --> 00:55:01.920
talking about us being ignorant to technology. We're talking about

913
00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:05.239
you know, not having either not having the ability to

914
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:08.159
detect it with our current technology, or that we're just

915
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:11.760
making shit up because it sounds cool And maybe we

916
00:55:11.800 --> 00:55:15.599
saw it on an episode of some science fiction show

917
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:17.880
and thought it was a great thing to add.

918
00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:20.480
To Bigfoot, if I may, If I may add one

919
00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:22.639
thing too, And one of one of my biggest pet

920
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:26.280
peeves is people assuming that Bigfoot knows what a trail

921
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:29.280
camera does, or an audio recorder does, or any of

922
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:35.960
that stuff. That is anthropomorphism to the highest extent. They

923
00:55:35.960 --> 00:55:37.719
have no clue what a trail camera does.

924
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:38.400
You know.

925
00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:41.239
If anything, they may see a foreign object can be

926
00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:43.119
leery of it just for that fact.

927
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:48.719
Steve magic is fake Steve or good friend Steve who's

928
00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:51.440
a magician. He's a magician, so he could say that.

929
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:53.320
And we've had that.

930
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:56.679
Discussion here multiple times about trail cams and things like that,

931
00:55:56.719 --> 00:55:58.320
and a lot of it isn't as much that it

932
00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:02.320
understands how these things were is you change their environment

933
00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:06.679
when you put it up, you know, And I have

934
00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:10.559
proof from a trail cam. I have that when I

935
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:13.000
put the trail cam up, all the deal all the

936
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:16.159
animals flock to it because I changed the environment.

937
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:19.440
The spells are different. I move things around.

938
00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:22.000
They want to know why they didn't care what the

939
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:22.840
box was.

940
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:25.760
They wanted to know why that tree was important to me.

941
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:30.599
Well, the other thing, too, is who the hell says

942
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:33.679
they didn't see it putting it up in the first place, right,

943
00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:37.079
And now they're wondering, is this some sort of trap?

944
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:40.639
Is this some sort of because understand what they're learning

945
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:43.199
from us, A lot of the stuff they learn from

946
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:48.760
people that interdict into their habitats or hunters. Correct, So

947
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:52.840
what they're learning is why is their avoidance of humans

948
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:55.360
because they're used to seeing humans and their habitats hunting

949
00:56:55.360 --> 00:57:00.119
other animals and when we start setting things up, they

950
00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:02.000
get leary of them, and rightfully.

951
00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:04.519
So that is proper primate lodge that can abstract bought.

952
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:08.440
Yeah, we used to talk about that quite a bit

953
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:10.360
back in the old days, Steve. You know, they got

954
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:12.639
used to anytime they pull something out to point it

955
00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:15.280
towards them, they're waiting for a boom. You know, they're

956
00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:17.639
not waiting for like why would you stick around wait

957
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:19.360
for something new a human to come out and take

958
00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:21.360
your picture. Every time they pull something out on you,

959
00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:25.320
it ends up burt hurting something or killing somebody out right,

960
00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:27.280
And that's just truth.

961
00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:27.559
Guys.

962
00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:29.519
We're here at the end of the show already, Steve,

963
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:32.280
when's the book coming out? For folks already asking that question?

964
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:35.599
It comes out in March first.

965
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:37.800
March first, to get your copy? Where can they get it?

966
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:40.360
At min It'll be on Amazon, and I'll have the

967
00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:42.000
link on my website as well as soon as it

968
00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:42.360
comes out.

969
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:45.320
Your two websites for folks that want to check you out.

970
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:48.639
Steve Well, I just have the one main website website

971
00:57:48.679 --> 00:57:51.800
at Squatchtective dot com, but there'll also be a link

972
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:55.719
on any of my beginning March. The first show after

973
00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:59.400
March first, we'll have a link. I think Sunday is

974
00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:02.679
March second, so Sunday night we'll have the link in

975
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:04.239
the show description as well.

976
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:06.559
All right, and they can go listen to uh, they

977
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:10.599
can go watch Squatch Detective TV, Squatch DTV s team.

978
00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:11.480
Where can they check it out?

979
00:58:11.480 --> 00:58:15.239
Aut uh YouTube dot com for slash at Squatch d TV.

980
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:17.880
Man, this hour went by too quick. We got to

981
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:24.239
do this again, my friend, Absolutely anytime, Henry. Any final

982
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:25.719
thoughts there, my friend.

983
00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:33.719
Well, as far as the cult aspect, I don't want

984
00:58:33.760 --> 00:58:36.280
to mention any names of cultist and bisup for their

985
00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:37.920
initials are Matthew Johnson.

986
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:43.639
Did I say that Henry throwing shave, spitting facts and

987
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:48.079
throwing shade to night Henry may he's ordering, he's ornering

988
00:58:48.119 --> 00:58:52.599
Matt Bake. Any final thoughts, I'm coming.

989
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:55.920
On, go ahead, and Matt no, I'm gonna say the

990
00:58:56.679 --> 00:58:59.079
from what I saw from the book, I'm definitely gonna

991
00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:02.199
get a uh, get a copy and a hard copy

992
00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:07.519
of it, and it's definitely a fascinating read, so you know,

993
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:10.519
and a lot of research into that. So that was,

994
00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:13.159
you know, outstanding.

995
00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:17.039
If you send me twenty five editional dollars.

996
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:26.679
Thinking, go ahead and speaking of books, Speaking of books,

997
00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:27.559
I'm a plug.

998
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:31.119
Daniel Prince is brand new book, Bike for the Bluff Creek.

999
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:36.119
This is the next look book. Highly recommend it. You

1000
00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:40.159
can get it by emailing Daniel at PRIs nine two

1001
00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:42.679
at sbcglobal dot net.

1002
00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:48.159
It's thirty nine dollars fifty four cents. Heck of a bargain.

1003
00:59:48.719 --> 00:59:50.039
Recommend this book highly.

1004
00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:54.000
All right, ye, Steve. One question I had for you

1005
00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:58.440
that I didn't ask, did you learn anything new while

1006
00:59:58.440 --> 00:59:59.719
you were putting this book together?

1007
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:05.880
Yes?

1008
01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:11.519
And what it was I actually forgot because I've already

1009
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:13.320
ingrained it into my learning.

1010
01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:15.519
But I know it had something to.

1011
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:22.039
Do with with with burial with because one of the

1012
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:24.880
topics I cover is bury you know, do sasquatch bury

1013
01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:28.519
their dead? And a lot of times, you know, my

1014
01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:32.480
standard argument was that again that was something humans did,

1015
01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:35.000
and if we buried their dead, we'd be finding their

1016
01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:40.920
bones because burying preserves them. But how do you explain

1017
01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:46.039
if they die in the winter time in the northeast

1018
01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:51.159
the ground is so hard, right that how would they

1019
01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:53.679
dig them up? You know, how would they would They

1020
01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:57.480
would expend so much energy to do that that it

1021
01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:00.400
would be counterproductive to an animal in the wild, which

1022
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:04.000
the reason why we are and why primates, other primates

1023
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:05.480
don't do that because they're in the wild.

1024
01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:10.239
There's times we don't dig graves because the ground so frozen. Absolutely,

1025
01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:14.199
and we have machines to do that. Steve, my friend, again,

1026
01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:16.440
a pleasure. Thanks for coming on with us.

1027
01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:23.039
Oh anytime, Thank you. I had a great time, guys.

1028
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:26.039
Thanks my friend. Folks, you've been listening to The Sasquatch Experience.

1029
01:01:26.079 --> 01:01:29.280
Sean Foralker, James Baker, Matt Arner, Henry may our guest tonight.

1030
01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:32.239
Steve calls. Thanks for listening to Henry take us out

1031
01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:34.079
with those dulcet tones.

1032
01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:36.559
I'll be good, it'd be good.

1033
01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:47.719
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01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:51.159
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