Sept. 18, 2024

EP 111: Reviewing "The Ancients"

EP 111: Reviewing "The Ancients"

Forker and Crew review and discuss the latest installment of the On the Trail Series from Small Town Monsters, "The Ancients."

"The oldest mountain range in the world might also be home to an ancient secret…
Small Town Monsters presents the next...

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Season 10

Forker and Crew review and discuss the latest installment of the On the Trail Series from Small Town Monsters, "The Ancients."

"The oldest mountain range in the world might also be home to an ancient secret…
Small Town Monsters presents the next chapter in the On the Trail of Bigfoot series! Seth Breedlove sets off to the rugged peaks of the Smoky Mountains in search of the next piece of the Bigfoot puzzle. Joining him are researchers, Russ Jones and Matt Pruitt, along with Mark Matzke. Together, they’ll comb the dense forests in search of new evidence, and old accounts of the creature known as the woodbooger."

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The views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch

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Experience do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the host, sponsors,

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or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener discretion

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is advised.

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We got someone or something growing around out here?

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Does a legend walk among us working in the forests

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of our world?

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Did you see what it was?

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Was it a person or an animal? Or I can't go? Oh,

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I know if my thunder light came on and I did.

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Happened to Glenn and see this thing running across the

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yard A good fight man or something works like a man.

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I don't know what it was.

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For over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators,

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and witnesses trying to gain insight and proof around the

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existence this mysterious entity.

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Hello, get somebody out here.

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What's going announce their?

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AVEC about sex book? I don't know, easy announce there. Yeah,

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I'm walking right over. Oh, okay, hand on, yeah, got

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you're bigger?

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Okay, what's he doing in your yard?

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We're gonna do you join us as we continue into

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the investigation of the Sasquatch Experience and good evening, everybody.

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Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience for Monday, September sixteenth, twenty

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twenty four. I'm Sean the Fort Choup Forker, joined by

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James Baker, Vince Nezbitt, Henry May, and Matt Arner. Back

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after a few weeks. Guys, it's good to be back.

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I know last week we were supposed to be on

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the air, but I was quite sick, and so it

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was bake. We went to the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Camping Adventure

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weekend on Saturday. What a great event that Eric Altman

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and everyone put together. How about a baker? Yes it was.

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I love the speakers. The food was good, five miles

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up the hill was all lasting for.

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It forget to squat event.

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The only problem we had was is Sean Rella is now,

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why don't drive at night?

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Yeah? I mean it was us, that's it. Oh yeah, yeah,

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listen listen. I was also I also got sick event,

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and I'm a bitch as it is on road trips.

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able to see anytime he's asking me to if this

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is the right exit. I'm like half paying attention, So

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I'm saying, yeah, it just takes take the turn. So

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we take, and then of course it's the wrong turn.

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Baker's impatient because as we're trying to get the GPS

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to re initialize and reroute, Baker's driving all around God's

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Green Earth, not letting the GPS initialize. So I'm getting mad,

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and so any recording we were going to do went

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out the window. So I apologize to our patreons. It

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was not a It was a good time, but being sick.

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I mean, you asked Bake. I went from being lively

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and bubbly that sitting in a chair for the second

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half of the day. It was just bad. It was bad.

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But I want to admit though that I wouldn't have

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roaded with anybody else. And the worst part was is

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the week a couple of days before I got I

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had gotten uh I had gotten some kind of uh

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problem with grat with the uh oh trees and weeds

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and whatever. I couldn't see.

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This was the first day I could actually open my

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eyes one hundred percent and my night vision was just

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like And we decided to take my truck because it

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was just going to be easier because Snuffy was going

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to look at my chainsaw.

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So yeah, we're driving around the middle of nowhere some

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chainsaws in the back.

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It was it was so country.

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And so we didn't get the recording we wanted to

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for everybody. So we apologized. But this week we'd leave

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for the Mothman Festival. Uh Bacon, I'll be hitting the

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road Thursday morning, so get your lives ready. We'll be

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live and from the road, all in better health and

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looking forward to a great time this weekend in Point Pleasable,

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West Virginia. But yeah, again, we'll get Eric on here

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to recap the event. Rumor has it there may be

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another one coming for next year, which we're looking forward to.

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that part of Pennsylvania so rich with Bigfoot history. Guys,

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I'm so rich with it now, Matt, speaking of areas

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of Pennsylvania origin history. We've got something coming up in

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this weekend, the following weekend.

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Yes, I'm on September twenty eighth of this year at

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two o'clock at the Neilson Run Campground in Austin, Pennsylvania.

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you're available, if you want to come out, that would

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be great. We're going to do a town hall. We're

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going to go over some of the encounters and sightings

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that have been reported in the area, not just from BFRO,

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but from encounters that we got from speaking to people,

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word to mouth, people that have posted in counters on Facebook.

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Yeah, we had a great one today and it keeps going.

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what we're going to do is we're going to do

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and we're going to meet at the pavilion. We're going

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to do a town hall, traditional town hall. We're going

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to initially talk about our experiences. We're going to talk

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about the experiences that we've that we found in that

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particular area, and then we're going to ask the audience

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if they had any encounters or experiences themselves later on

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that evening. What we're planning on doing is doing a

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basic expedition. We're not gonna go too crazy, but well

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we're gonna go up on top of the mountain, we're

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going to do call blasting wood knocks, and in this

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area there have been encounters. So the BFRO December twenty

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two in Potter County that was literally two miles from

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the campground.

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So Matt, I need to ask you. Would you say

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you're gonna do call blasting, Are you gonna do pre

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recorded audio or are you gonna do yourself vocal?

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Well, Sean, I think I should do my vocal.

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comes to If you watch, I'm sure it'll be an

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upcoming episode of Beyond the Trail Bigfoot that Alex. We

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recorded with Alex for you might get a sample of

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Matt's vocals, and I think it might have been on

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another hiking car and Chewie. Yeah, you'll get a sample

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of Matt's vocalizations. And I'll tell you what's remarkable is,

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though I don't know if the video captures it, but

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when you're out there in that area in the middle

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of the night and it's dark and there's a and

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there's this overwhelming vista the valley and Matt gets going

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that and sound travels, man, it permeates through those woods

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and it just goes for miles and it's it's incredible

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to hear when when when it happens, you have to

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experience it.

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Yeah, definitely. So if people want to come out, contact

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myself or Sean through Facebook or through the through the email.

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but we're hoping that we can get more local people

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up there and also some people from the region. So

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we were just talking about the experience. Somebody reported on

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one of the Pennsylvanian Bigfoot pages today and this was

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something that happened this past weekend. Yeah, very fresh, very fresh.

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It's in an area where I'm very familiar with and

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I'm not going to get divulged the exact location. I

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promised the person I would not do that, but I

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personally have been in that area. In fact, actually it

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was funny. My wife and I took a hike in

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that particular area and something was growling at us. I'm

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gonna assume it was probably a coyote that we got

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a little too close to. But the trail that's up there,

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it's supposed to be like this nice, easy trail. It's

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not like I love my friends in the dcn R

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with the State Forest. But man, they let that trail down.

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It was really bad. But I have been in that area.

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It is a really good area. And on Sunday I

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was actually out just on the other side of the

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river out in the Quahona and found a really good

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promising area. But going back to the experience, the person

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had had that feeling. Around four point thirty in the morning,

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he went to ust bathroom and of course if you're

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in one of the State Forest cabins, you got to

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go to the to the outhouse. So he went to

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the outhouse. Yep, he went to the outhouse, had that

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feeling something was watching him. On his way back he

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heard wood knocks and basically at that point he got

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in and yeah, and that was it. So but the

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one interesting point is I started. I replied back to

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the person saying, hey, you know, get back to me

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and send me a message and we can talk a

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little more. And she did in in Uh. It was

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fantastic information. But on the threat itself, I had another

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gentleman from Elk County who was able to I connected with.

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He hasn't had any experiences, but he does believe that

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there's something out there. He knows the area pretty much

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as much as I do. And then I right before

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he came on, I had a lady from the area

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of Driftwood, which is not that far away and literally,

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uh you know, pretty much right on the other side

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of the valley from where I was that took photos

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of prince that she found in the snow in twenty

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thirteen and just outside her residence and looking at the

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prince there. You know, sometimes I look at snow prints

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and I'm kind of like, I looked at these prints,

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and these prints are pretty decent.

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So I see myself, man, I'd like to yeah.

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good stuff. So we're going to add those to the

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list as well. But we're Everyone talks about the Allegating

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National Forest and southwestern PA. But I'm really on this

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hook here that I think north central PA is really

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where it's at.

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it was in twenty fourteen, we got those really bad rains, yes,

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and wiped out a lot of the roads up in

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northern PA. Again, kind of like what just happened that

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long ago. Yes, But Ray and I got stuck up

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out on the mountain. When we went to investigate that

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winter got stuck. We had to walk six miles in

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a blizzard, literally in a blizzard, I'm not bullshitting anybody.

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And we came across this camping area and just by

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the chance there's a guy that lives out there all

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year round, knocked on his door, you know, got in there,

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got some shelter, made a call to my dad to

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come retrieve us. And as Ray and I are talking

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with him, he's just, what are you guys doing out here?

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We were explaining we were out there following up on

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a big foot sighting and up on Old fourteen. He

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has something that comes around every year. They can bank

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on it, almost like a clockwork. At the end of summer.

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As you and I have thought for some time, Matt,

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that's when it starts to pick up into fall. And

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something took a fully full deer carcass off his back porch.

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It was hanging, took it, didn't drag it through the ground,

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took it and made off with it office porch. And

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that's not far from where our research area is. It's

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called picking either it is. And but you have somebody

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that lives out there year round, again in a very

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remote area of Pennsylvania, and these stories happen. And I

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know when you know so, guys, I read the feedback

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from our listeners now that we're you know, we really

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get a good audience on Spotify and they leave their

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comments and talk about how you know, sometimes we have

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this banter at the beginning of the show and you know,

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if you don't like it, piss off, listen to someone else.

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banter is for this right, this specific information. This week

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we had a lot of good information, mainly because we've

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been off, but Matt's doing a really good job collecting

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information for this town hall because it's an area of

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Pennsylvania that is really untapped. And if you go to

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any of our presentations, we talk about that almost belaboring

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the point that up until recently, and I mean recently

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the last twenty years, there was nobody collecting reports up

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this way, or nobody doing a very good job of

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getting publicity of doing it. And as Matt has spent

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the time and we've spent the time in these areas,

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people are starting to trust us and they're starting to

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come to us with their stories and their encounters and

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we need that is we're working with a gentleman and

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actually got the first round of data that I'll share

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with you when we'll get together. Matt from our friend.

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I'm not going to put his name out there because

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we don't have his permission, but the guy's a data

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analyst for a living, and he's been taking the work

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we've done and putting it in Excel format and plowing

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through the data and he's got the first round of

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results for us.

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say anyames, but that was the person we met at the.

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Right Central PA Bigfoot Festival and I'm excited to see

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what the result. He sent me the email. If he's listening,

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I apologize I've not opened it yet because I want

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to open it with Matt and really get into these,

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really get into this. It's pretty exciting stuff. This guy,

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I don't want to give away what he does, but

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it's by the grace of some almighty if you believe

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in God, God or whatever you believe in, that this

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guy came to us and really wanting to bring the

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vision that I had a shared vision back in the

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early twenty tens and he's actually making it come to life. So,

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you know, we talk about the power of collaboration and

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the power of we being greater than the power of me,

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and all those other cliches you can think of. There's

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a lot of truth to that, and I'm really excited

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to see these results, man, Like, I so badly want

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to click it open, but I don't want to do

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it until we're together, because it's the result of our work,

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not my work, our work. So I can't wait to

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get that to you, buddy. I can't wait. Now I've

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done enough, you know, you know, getting our listeners to

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salivate a little bit. We will share it once we

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go through it. Don't worry. It's exciting stuff. Henry, tonight

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shoe is about reviewing On the Trail of Bigfoot the Ancients. Now,

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we were supposed to have Seth on last week with us,

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but I blew that force and got sick and we

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weren't able to get Seth locked down for this show.

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But Henry, why don't you kick us off with a

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synopsis of On the Trail of Bigfoot the Ancients and

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then your impressions and then we'll go from there.

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Well in my opinion, this is the Bigfoot documentary of

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twenty twenty four so far, and really none have come

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close to this one in my opinion. And I think

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it's also Seth's most personal documentary since his dad is

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in it, his cousin as well. He is a cousin

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that's in it. And they go to Northwest in North Carolina.

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They look into the legends from the Cherokees. There, the

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interview witnesses. They team up with Russ Jones and Matt

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Prewett and Davis is in it. And it's really good stuff.

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It's really it's very well done. I really enjoyed it.

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I gave it a perfect ten out of ten my

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reviews on Amazon.

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Wow, he did on the Amazon page, so you guys

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want to check it out. My name on Amazon is

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HM two thousand and five.

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Henry, how often have you given a ten out of ten?

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of stuff, but it's been a while.

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It's been a while. That way, I'm a lot more

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discerning than Henry when it comes to my right right

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right writing system. Sorry, no edit that out, but you

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know I'm always partial to When we go back to

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on the trail of Bigfoot the origins when we go

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to British Columbia, because it was John Green that got

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me into this, so that one was probably really personal

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and touching to me. But I can see how Seth

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takes that personal journey for himself and his family's story,

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his saga, and turns it into a great documentary that

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weaves the narrative through the activity that happens in the

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Smoky Mountains and one it's again, as with most things

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small Town Monster does, it's incredibly beautiful.

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Well done.

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But it's great to see people that aren't your typical

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talking heads and Bigfoot documentaries like I can't sell you

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the last time I really saw Matt Pruitt interviewed for

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a documentary. I could be wrong, but a fresh take

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for me Doctor Jones, who does you know? He shows

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up and has his own podcas and everything, but he

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always lends a, you know, another air of credibility to

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the topic, right, which is always needed. And then uh,

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you know, there's also I can't remember the gentleman's name,

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but he's talking about when he was out in the

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woods and he heard the whistling and Henry was he

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was thinking of his father and he got all misty

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eyed and like there's a lot of little emotional spots

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in the documentary. Was that Jeff Carpenter chance Maybe maybe

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it was Jeff guess, Okay, it was, it was and

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it was touching, man, Like, there are a lot of

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moments like that that we're poignant. That really told I'm

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bad with names, so thank you guys, really told to

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me a great story. And of course mister Breedlove. I

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met mister Breedlove at the Ohio Bigfoot Conference back when

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Minerva just started and missus Breedlove, you know, sadly not

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with us any longer. But he was always such a

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good dude, you know, and he's he is a good dude.

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And we just saw him at Small Town Monsters. He

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was promoting the ancients while he was there, had some

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great family mementoes on the table and talk to you

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got to give that man credit. He had steam all

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day long he went talking about the documentary and to

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see him, and it was really special for me because

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I have that connection with mister b you know, when

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he's working the table helping Seth with from Minerva, and

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you know, he's kind of the unsung member of small

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Town Monsters, like the literal founder of the founder of

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small Town Monsters, and to see him in that was

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just really cool, and just the engagement with the family members,

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and of course Mark Mansky. Does it get any better

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than Mark Matsky. I'm a big Mark Maskew fan, and

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anybody doesn't like him, we'll go outside and fight. I'll fight.

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Yeah, no, I'll give him a black guy.

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Yeah, you're going to give Mark Matski a black guy

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that's not nice?

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No, no, no, I'll give whoever oppones.

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Oh, okay, whoever oppones, he's not going to get a chance.

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I apart. I love Mark what genuinely. Every time I

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get together with Matt, we just talk. Or with Mark Matt,

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Matt and I get together, we talk to But anytime

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I get together with Mark, we just talk and it's

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just refreshing, refreshing. So vance and we'll let everybody, we'll

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talk into it a little bit more in depth. But

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I want to get your your first opinion of it.

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You know, I was. I was really taken back watching

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The Ancients and Matt Pruit's take, and there was a

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couple of things that Prewit brought up that I have

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done myself in central and southern Illinois that I thought

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I was the only one that would do this. But

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Prewit said during daytime investigations, he would look for buzzards

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circling in the area. And then this is a daytime investigation.

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He would look for buzzards circling in the area because

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he figured there was something dying or soon to die,

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and he would make his way over to that area

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and see maybe if there's footprints in that area. I

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thought I was the only one to do that. So

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when I heard him say that, I got chills. I

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was like that that is amazing that he said that too,

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because that's a great aerial evidence that there's something that's

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gone down, whether it was taken by predation or is

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just a natural death, but you never know, and perhaps

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maybe you might find footprints in that area. Along with that.

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I would go back to.

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Jeff Carpenter's audio recordings of the wood Knox that he

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captured along with a whoop that you brought up, you know,

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while you brought up his you know comment earlier, but

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his audio recording of wood Knocks very interesting. Now, when

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I started to watch this documentary, I really thought maybe

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this was going to go down the road of a

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Breedlove family history and that's all it was going to

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be about. But I understand why Seth brought this, the

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whole family into this central forum to create this documentary,

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and I understood all of that. But when I first

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started to watch, I'm like, is this all about the

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Breedlove Family. No, it's really not. It's about the Ancients.

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And then the third point I would like to make,

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which I have heard on so many different interviews and

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different podcasts about what we have all talked about the infrasound,

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and Adam Davies, who's part of the Ancients, talked about

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his experience of actually experiencing something like that where he

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passed out from what maybe the infrasound of this creature

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and his explanation is completely fascinating. And again it's Adam Davies,

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but that's what I'm speaking about, well respected in the community.

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But you know, you take it for what it is.

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Is this an infrasound thing, and you make of it

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what you want. But the whole documentary was it started

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off a little slow because, like I said, I thought

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it was a Breedlove family documentary, but then it broke

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off into why it became what it is in that area,

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And when you look at the video footage throughout the film,

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you can clearly see this is a prime location where

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a creature that is undiscovered or theoretically undiscovered would live

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and thrive in these areas. It's just prime habitat. And

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I found that completely fascinating. And I was enthralled from

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the moment that the that the documentary started until the

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moment that it ended.

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Yeah, and you know what, I there was no secret

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that it was going to be a family saga. Like

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it was going to be a family story, And I

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think that's one of the I'm a sucker for a

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good story first of all, Like, if you really want

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me engaged, you got to tell me a good story.

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The pacing at first was a little slower than I like,

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but super good. I mean as you start getting into

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the you know, the familial connections why he made it

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part of his family story, you know, the you know,

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being told to watch out for the boogers in the

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woods or you know what have you like, mister breedlove, Like,

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it was just it started weaving in and it started making,

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you know a lot more sense and it was super told,

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super well. I did like how they kind of touched

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on missing people just a little bit. As you know,

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we went down that exposic I think got about a

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couple of years ago. Now, you know, one of the

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things we found out about is that we could do

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show after show after show on missing people in the Smokies.

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Uh.

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And then they touched on feral people.

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Yeah, but there's a show about that already and it's

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you know, for one one so.

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Well yeah, but you know what the also, you know,

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half of the four one one is just becoming a

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bunch of overhyped bullshit. Why don't we get back to

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the actual things that we want to talk about. It's

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missing people, and it's connections, not just making up connections

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to which side of the audience you're going to pander to, right, Uh,

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you know, based upon the conference you're going to be

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going to. Is it UFO, was it Bigfoot? Or we'll

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just keep it ambiguous and go back and forth whatever

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I can make money. I don't know, true, just I'm

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in a mood tonight. We'll call it as we see it, right,

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It's like that's the problem, that's the problem I have

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at least with small town monsters. They stay to the

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straight and narrow. They kind of let you make up

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your own mind on it, or they don't go into

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it at all. Which, hey, you know what, that's a

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great place to be. With all the bullshit going on

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in the world. Do we have to add more bullshit

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to the Bigfoot world? Right? Like, that's that's my ask.

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00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:15.079
And at least with a documentary like on the Trail Bigfoot,

456
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:18.440
the ancients like, the bullshit's kept to very minimum, and

457
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:20.240
it is it breaks and I.

458
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:23.519
Have to agree with that it was kept very minimal.

459
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:28.599
And all it's telling is a story of, Hey, this happened.

460
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:31.720
I can't say that it's fact, but I can't say

461
00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:34.480
that it's fiction either. And what do we always go

462
00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:38.240
back to? Yeah, can't prove that it's real, but you

463
00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:40.839
can't prove that it's not real.

464
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:41.319
Right.

465
00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:44.680
We got to a very interesting conversation with a relative

466
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:48.720
last night. This is why we don't talk about, you know,

467
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:53.319
the missing people subject more. And you know, the problem

468
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.640
I have with it is you never know of somebody's

469
00:27:56.680 --> 00:28:00.759
family that is, you know, traumatized by a missing person

470
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:04.640
is listening to the show, and how you choose to

471
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:11.559
be exploitive, you know, makes a big difference, and it's

472
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:14.880
a character move. And I know we've talked about it

473
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:18.079
and we've made allusions in some cases where you know,

474
00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:21.000
we try to make connections to fit the ideas that

475
00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:24.759
we're trying to you know, perpetuate in the in the podcast.

476
00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:26.759
But I think we've also done a very good job

477
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.599
saying we don't know, and it's potential, and we never

478
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:35.079
want to hurt somebody that was, you know, either victim

479
00:28:35.480 --> 00:28:37.759
or somebody related to somebody who suffers through one of

480
00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:39.680
these terrible tragedies. I just want to put that side

481
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:42.519
note out there. And you know, when I think about

482
00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:46.200
how to do things tastefully, you know, again, we go

483
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:48.880
back to small town monsters and I always like to

484
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:51.200
put out there like I'm a supporter of their products.

485
00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:54.359
I you know, I back every Kickstarter. I've been an

486
00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:57.279
executive producer for a couple of the films. Like I

487
00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:01.359
believe in what they do, and we review the products,

488
00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:05.200
We review everything, and I believe. Look, I just I'm

489
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:07.599
not a wu person. And I gave a flash of

490
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:12.640
Beauty Paranormal Big. I gave that a stellar review. I

491
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:15.839
thought that was a documentary that addresses the paranormal Bigfoot

492
00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:19.039
topic and does it very well. Is it my cup

493
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:24.359
of tea? No, But it's also not exploitive and that's important.

494
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:26.759
And when you're dealing with some of these topics, you

495
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:29.599
could really go down that line and it's distasteful and

496
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:31.559
I'm glad they don't do that right.

497
00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:35.559
And that's one thing I have to say, because between you,

498
00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:39.920
Sean and myself in private conversations, whether we've been together

499
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:44.039
or even if we're on the phone, you're very honest

500
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:49.200
about your take on the production that's put together, which

501
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:53.519
is exactly what you're explaining on the show right now.

502
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:59.000
There is no bs, there's no fog and cloud to

503
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:01.359
try to give a different an illusion of something to

504
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:05.079
promote something. You've been very honest. I've been very honest

505
00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:07.279
about what it is that we see and what we

506
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:10.400
take away from it, and generally from what I take

507
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:13.960
away from it, I walk out well after watching this

508
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:17.759
with a little bit more interest in the entire subject

509
00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:22.480
matter and want to have a little bit more motivation to, oh,

510
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:25.480
let's take a little bit further look into all of

511
00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:29.039
this instead of it falling flat on its face, going

512
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:32.400
you know, what this isn't really worth it anymore. No,

513
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:38.160
this keeps the entire subject matter fully in blossom. And

514
00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:41.599
you and I have both been completely honest about what

515
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:44.640
it is we've seen and what we talk about in

516
00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:45.759
private with each other.

517
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:49.640
So when we talk about, you know, the missing people topic,

518
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:52.319
it's not new to on the trail of Bigfoot, the ancients,

519
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:55.440
they've addressed it in many and they've always done it tastefully.

520
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:58.759
And I think I have to make that point known

521
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:02.079
because it's it's it's just important to me that we

522
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:06.759
recognize that. And I guess maybe I'm I'm on that

523
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.839
bend because I've been watching a lot of documentaries lately.

524
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:13.519
I just watched Chimp Crazy. Have you guys watched that

525
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:17.960
at all? It's worth the watch, if only to show

526
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:21.759
you the batshit crazy people that inhabit this planet with us,

527
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:29.799
and the lengths they'd go to, you know, to be

528
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:35.640
very selfish and make it about them. And while they're

529
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:38.480
trying to say they're doing these great things for creatures

530
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:42.559
great and small, or the stories end up being about them.

531
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:45.400
Whether you go to Tiger King or you go to

532
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:50.599
It's just pardon my it's fucking distasteful. And I have

533
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:53.559
a hard time with it. I really do. When I

534
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.759
get when you have an opportunity to watch content that's

535
00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:02.000
really good and done in a way isn't hurtful, isn't

536
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:05.079
harmful to the topic, and treats people with respect. I

537
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:08.000
think every time we have to jump on that and

538
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:10.839
say so, and yes we might have a personal connection,

539
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:13.960
and yes there might be financial backing, but damn it,

540
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:15.759
I wouldn't back it if I didn't believe in it.

541
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:21.039
So just kudos to this team for that and the

542
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:24.039
guys again, listeners. There's a lot of documentaries out there,

543
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.920
I'm sure, just like many of you, your documentary consumers

544
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:32.839
at a rapid pace like I am, it's like it's

545
00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:37.119
it's almost a sad state of affairs. It's become God,

546
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:39.680
what was that show? Inside addition in a lot of

547
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:42.920
these documentaries, and it's just it's not the way. It's

548
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.799
junk journalism. It's not there's no story and there's no

549
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:48.799
purity behind it. It's just exploitation. And I have a

550
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:51.799
problem with that as I've been on a soapbox now

551
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:55.119
and really belaboring a point beating at the hell and

552
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:58.480
probably lost all our listeners I'm sorry. We just all

553
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:00.960
have to get together on that and and I know

554
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:04.200
everybody's taste varies, but it's it is what it is.

555
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:07.160
But we do have to take our break. I did

556
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:09.759
that rant. I'll get myself some water and calm down,

557
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:12.519
and then when we come back, we'll go talk about

558
00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:15.960
some more on the trail Bigfoot. The agents folks will

559
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:16.640
be right back.

560
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:17.160
Take it.

561
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:22.319
Take our next little segment with a light heart and enjoy.

562
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:24.200
We'll be back right after this.

563
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:30.400
They're eating the dogs, They're eating the cats. They're eating

564
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:35.400
a pence. The people that live there, they're.

565
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:36.039
Eating the dog.

566
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:42.160
Holla, They're eating the cats. They're eating a pence. The

567
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:43.720
people that live there.

568
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:47.079
Who steve a symbo.

569
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:56.359
I've been part of this investigation since the very beginning,

570
00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:58.279
and that has never been raised.

571
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:03.759
You're sure, Yes, it wasn't a space laser. No, it

572
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:05.079
wasn't a murder hornet.

573
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:06.039
Absolutely not.

574
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:11.679
It wasn't sasquatch, no, center, it was a bullet. It

575
00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:15.480
was a bullet senator fired by crooks. Yes, sir, that

576
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:18.360
he hit President Trump in the year and almost killed him.

577
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:21.440
Okay, glad we cleared that up.

578
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:27.079
Wait, what it wasn't a space laser murder hornet or

579
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:30.400
a sasquatch. I for crying out loud, I'm gonna have

580
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:38.719
to crumple up that screenplay, eh. Anyway, Speaking about filmmaking, yes,

581
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:43.480
like we were talking about Sasquatch, but filmmaking brothers David

582
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:48.880
and Nathan Zelner have been obsessed with Bigfoot since childhood,

583
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:55.039
when the elusive woodland creature entered their imaginations. Their lifelong

584
00:34:55.119 --> 00:35:01.559
infatuation inspired them to create Sasquatch Sons, a ninety minute

585
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:06.199
dialogue free movie about a family of sasquatch living in

586
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:09.880
a Pacific northwest forest. Of course, one of the cast

587
00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:14.760
members is Jesse Eisenberg, you may all remember him. But

588
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:20.199
the characters emote a grunt under heavy prosthetic makeup and

589
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:25.639
fur covered body suits in a mundane yet curious portrayal

590
00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:32.199
of everyday life now. Sasquatch Sunset is a provocation, even

591
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:36.360
by the brothers' standards. The creatures do everything you'd expect

592
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:39.159
to see animals do if you were in the woods

593
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:43.320
studying them. But there were reports of walkouts at this

594
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:48.000
year's Sundance Film Festival in reactions to scenes of the

595
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:54.760
creatures partaking in routine mammalian bodily functions. We knew it

596
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:58.880
was gonna be divisive, David says, but it's interesting to

597
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:01.800
hear what some people are shocked by. I bet they

598
00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:04.400
have no problem seeing a horror movie of the week

599
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:10.199
where humans are getting eviscerated. David Zelner goes on to say,

600
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:14.599
in the nineteen seventies there was a Bigfoot craze. There

601
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:18.360
still is, David. We watched that show in Search of

602
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:22.840
and were mesmerized with the Bigfoot episode. And then there

603
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:26.079
was a lot of ape in cinemas that we were

604
00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:30.840
exposed to, for example two thousand and one a space Outyssea. Yes,

605
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:33.760
that's how the movie starts, is with the Apes that

606
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:36.840
was a main one, but also Planet of the Apes,

607
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:40.639
and then maybe even every which way but loose with

608
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:46.000
Glyn Eastwood and an orangutan. Of course Chaka from the

609
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:51.199
Land of the Lost. He was huge for us. Listen, folks,

610
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:53.719
if you've seen the movie, we'd love to hear it

611
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:56.840
in the comments section wherever you want to comment at

612
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.519
at the Sasquatch Experience and you give us you rotten

613
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:05.679
Tomato review I haven't seen yet, And again, if you've

614
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:11.719
seen it, please do share when we come back, we're

615
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:17.599
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Thanks again for listening to this edition of the big

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645
00:39:57.400 --> 00:39:59.800
meet again. Keep your toes in the mind.

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start getting into the more cooler months where Matt and

658
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I spent a lot of time out in the field

659
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getting the research done. But then we've got some festivals

660
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and conferences that we've got that we're going to be attending.

661
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.320
But tonight's show isn't about those fun things. It's about

662
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.480
on the trail of Bigfoot, the ancients, and the topics

663
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:13.159
that were spurred therein my little rent, which I apologize

664
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:16.800
went on a little longer than I anticipated, but I'll

665
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:19.239
drop my filibuster and Matt go ahead and take it

666
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:21.199
away with some points you wanted to make there.

667
00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:26.079
So we were talking about the missing people cases, and

668
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:33.800
I've handled a few of these missing persons cases with

669
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:39.360
my profession and law enforcement, and there's a certain respect

670
00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:45.159
you have to have with the family and there's different

671
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:48.960
approaches that you go through, you know, when you're doing

672
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:55.519
these these searches for people. Now, most of the time

673
00:41:56.320 --> 00:42:01.000
we don't have that wilderness search. We're having people that

674
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:07.440
are going into an urban area. And uh so we

675
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:17.119
do keep a certain respect and dignity for that family

676
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:21.119
when we're when we're doing this, because sometimes the results

677
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:25.239
may not be what the family is looking for. But

678
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:29.280
again we have to approach that with that dignity, you know,

679
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:33.880
for the person and for the family themselves. I do

680
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:36.599
know with some of these missing person cases, particularly in

681
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:41.360
the in the wilderness areas there when we start bringing

682
00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:45.639
up different points that they they may have walked into

683
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:49.719
a different dimension, they may have been transported by something,

684
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:53.280
it may have been chased by something. Again, we have to,

685
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:56.840
you know, really try to provide the best answers we

686
00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:59.639
can for the family. We have a missing person's case

687
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:03.639
from It's not in my town, but a town close by,

688
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:08.679
and the kid was actually on the phone before with

689
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:11.039
his last contact saying that he was up in a

690
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:14.039
tree and he had a pack of coyotes that were

691
00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:18.360
chasing him. The kid had absolutely vanished from the face

692
00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:21.119
of the earth. The only thing though, is with that

693
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:24.239
particular area. There's a lot of deep shaft coal mines

694
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:29.320
in that area, so they brought drones out that that

695
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:32.599
go into those mind shafts to try to find any

696
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:36.840
sort of sign. But if we had someone come in

697
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:40.280
here and say that, you know, there's the possibility he was,

698
00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:43.800
you know, lifted in the air by a UFO, you

699
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:48.800
know again that that particular family maybe heartbroken and they

700
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:50.960
may be thrust into a light that they don't want

701
00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:54.320
to be in, you know, So we really do have

702
00:43:54.400 --> 00:44:00.599
to take the account of the family when we do

703
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:04.599
this for their missing relatives, and again, the biggest thing

704
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:06.920
is to provide that family with dignity.

705
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:11.199
You when you say drones, are you talking about four

706
00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:16.719
wheel drive RC vehicles that go down into these cavernous

707
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:21.199
areas or are you actually talking about a flying vehicle?

708
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:21.920
Now?

709
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:26.239
These are these are actually uh they're kind of across

710
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:34.360
between a submersible drone, okay and a wheeled drone. So uh.

711
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:39.480
This was actually provided by the by the federal government, UH,

712
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:43.719
particularly those that that work in mines UH with the

713
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:48.280
UH with the Search and Rescue Team, and they were

714
00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:53.679
able to provide a uh it uh tethered but they

715
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:56.599
were able to provide that from the search, and I

716
00:44:56.719 --> 00:45:01.280
believe it had about a thousand foot uh uh basically

717
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:05.440
tether uh to it, So it was able to get

718
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:09.800
through quite a bit. But in that particular stretch of woods,

719
00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:13.440
there's quite a few mine mine shafts in that area,

720
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:17.199
and there's some mine shafts. Some of most of these

721
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:20.519
mine shafts are recorded, but there's some that aren't recorded.

722
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:26.599
We call those wildcat mines where maybe somebody knew that

723
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:29.079
there was a that there was a coal seam somewhere

724
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:32.199
and the family kept it a secret and they'd go

725
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:36.199
down there and mind the coal so without you know,

726
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:40.239
letting the big coal companies know. So you do have

727
00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:44.440
those throughout that area. But but with that particular case,

728
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:48.960
like I said, it, you know that that person may

729
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:54.119
be anywhere. But if someone were to go through and say, hey,

730
00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:57.320
I think he stepped into another dimension. Like I said,

731
00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:02.559
the family, the family themselves, they're they're already grieving and

732
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:06.039
won't say at the loss, but the fact that that

733
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:08.360
that relative is missing the potential.

734
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:11.199
I mean, I think it's natural for you know, to

735
00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:15.119
go negative, as much as everybody wants you to be optimistic,

736
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:18.199
very rarely does that optimism, you know, shine through. It's

737
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:23.679
a very depressing thing. And yes, and it's tragic, you know,

738
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:26.400
because sometimes these don't always have good happy endings.

739
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:30.320
But there's an interesting take to this, and I would

740
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:35.679
say to Matt's point, there seems to and I haven't

741
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:40.639
really completed my thought on this statement, but it's it

742
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:46.000
seems to me very interesting that there's something tethered in

743
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:50.719
order to research to see if they can find something.

744
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:55.559
This doesn't seem to be a science that has been perfected,

745
00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:58.639
but it was something that was thought about to say,

746
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:03.239
we need a drawn that is tethered in order to

747
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:09.320
see if we can find somebody that has turned up missing. Uh,

748
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:14.719
this seems kind of in its infancy stage. But I

749
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:19.320
find it really interesting that you brought that up, that no,

750
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:23.559
this is a tethered piece of equipment that's being used.

751
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:28.599
Yeah, and unfortunately, like I said, it may not get

752
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:33.320
into all of the areas where they're searching in some

753
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:39.039
of those mind shafts are are extremely deep, so it

754
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:43.280
may there may be somebody that that's on another shelf,

755
00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:46.239
you know, just to the right of it or to

756
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:49.320
the left of it, that that that particular drone may

757
00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:52.159
not be able to to say.

758
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:55.119
But don't you think a person would get to a

759
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:58.719
certain point where they say, yeah, that's far enough for me,

760
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:04.199
I'm turning back. I don't see somebody going further and

761
00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:09.719
further and further into an abyss which they're not really

762
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:12.440
too sure on how to get back, unless there was

763
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:14.159
something drawing them into it.

764
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:17.639
Well, you make it that they have a choice. You know,

765
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:20.920
accidents happen, and sometimes you're in those minds, the floor

766
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:24.360
gives out the you know, you lose traction pretty quickly

767
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:29.480
and you just become a victim of circumstance. Yeah, yep.

768
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:37.000
Disorientation is probably the number one you know factor in

769
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:39.679
in a lot of these stats because of the fact

770
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:42.760
that you're in a completely dark environment. You may think

771
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:46.559
that you're turning to the left. You may actually, you know,

772
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:49.440
not have made that complete turn. You may think that

773
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:53.199
you've you're turning around, and you may have gone just

774
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:56.840
a few degrees over to the side. You're not going

775
00:48:56.880 --> 00:48:59.039
to find your way out. We find out a lot

776
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:03.920
with people that fall under the ice or have that

777
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:07.039
have very similar issues because of the fact that you

778
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:11.840
can't see and they're trying to find where you know,

779
00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:15.400
they may have fell in the ice five feet away,

780
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:20.119
but they're struggling because they're going five feet the other direction, right,

781
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:20.519
and all.

782
00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:23.280
This, you know, we relevate back to reviewing the ancients

783
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:25.559
because you know, there's a decent part of the you know,

784
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:29.119
documentary where they're talking about missing people and again another

785
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:32.280
area known for its caves, you know, vast stretches of

786
00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:36.280
we could call it underdeveloped wilderness, like it's not been

787
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:40.280
touched by people, you know, contaminated wilderness. I guess, whatever

788
00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:42.840
term you want to use. I did talk about, you know,

789
00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:46.760
Faro people, and you know, potentially using the caves and

790
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:50.880
Faro people being different from homeless people as a potentiality

791
00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:53.719
for you know, what bigfoot could be. And we go

792
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:57.679
into that. Guys, as they go into the documentary, you know,

793
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:03.320
the term bigfoot in culturally is relatively new, like nineteen

794
00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:07.280
fifty and on. Before that, it was stories of wild

795
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:10.440
men and gorillas. Actually, I wonder when they started using

796
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:13.119
the term gorilla Henry. Maybe you know that because even

797
00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:14.880
that is still a little bit more of a more

798
00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:17.679
modern term. Well, you start talking about some of those

799
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:20.559
legend stories Henry, they touched on that pretty well, don't

800
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:21.639
you think they did.

801
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:26.079
As far as the name gorilla, I think that name

802
00:50:26.199 --> 00:50:32.880
came about for possible sasquatch in the eighteen hundreds, sometime

803
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:38.159
in eighteen hundreds, after the gorilla was discovered around eighteen

804
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:40.159
forty eight or eighteen forty.

805
00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:43.920
Seven, whatever it was. Well as well of those years, Henry,

806
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:49.320
you're letting us down. You're supposed to be the Encyclopedia d.

807
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:51.320
But you know, they talked about you know, of course

808
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:54.559
Dennis Martin, which we talked about in you know detail

809
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:58.239
here on the show, and the different thoughts and what

810
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:00.639
people saw that was reported, what people saw that was

811
00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:04.239
reported and not notated, which was very interesting. You know, again,

812
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:07.599
we could go back to feral people, but would feral

813
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:11.679
people not be a good explanation for bigfoot creatures? Would

814
00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:13.840
that make it any less I guess maybe it would

815
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:17.039
make it less cryptozoological? But have we nailed these feral

816
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:20.039
people down to really study them a little bit and

817
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:23.079
find out what exactly what the hell they are, where

818
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:26.840
they're from, why they're choosing this existence. Have they gone

819
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:33.000
backwards in the mental you know, capacity of modern living standards,

820
00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:35.440
or are they really something just a little bit different

821
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:37.440
I don't want to find out because I saw this

822
00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:41.760
really bad episode of American Horror stories were revolving around

823
00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:43.800
a missing person, and it really freaked me out for

824
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:47.119
being completely fictional. It scared the shit out of me,

825
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:48.639
and I really don't want to be it's about the

826
00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:51.960
park ranger in one of the observation towers and I'm

827
00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:56.519
missing person. It's something else, it's something else, but you

828
00:51:56.559 --> 00:51:59.480
know again, then he got Trenny Gibson and Mike Harrom

829
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:03.719
which wasn't familiar with Mike. The Mike Aaren disappearance, I'm

830
00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:06.760
still not too quite familiar with. Adam Davies talked about

831
00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:09.280
it a little bit. Always focus on you know, we

832
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:13.320
focused on Dennis Martin quite a bit. There's other people, though,

833
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:15.760
that do deserve their due diligence and in the reporting

834
00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:19.679
of what happened to them and their disappearances. So maybe

835
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:22.320
as we progressed down through this and inspired a little

836
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:24.960
bit more by on the trail of Bigfoot the ancients,

837
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:28.679
we do a little bit more investigating into some you know,

838
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:31.440
missing people. Just because we're a Bigfoot show doesn't mean

839
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:34.840
we can't really look into some serious topics that are

840
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:38.760
worth examination. We are more than Bigfoot. We are Bigfoot cryptids,

841
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:41.880
mysteries and conspiracies or whatever the hell the new tagline

842
00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:43.880
is that we've come up with that We very prarely

843
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:46.679
promote what else you guys got on it, Henry, other

844
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:49.599
thoughts that you've had on the documentary, Like you were

845
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:52.199
as soon as you got that man, you were on it,

846
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:54.760
and you were super stoked. Like when we had to

847
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:56.440
cancel last week, I thought you were going to drive

848
00:52:56.519 --> 00:52:59.920
up here and hit me you were ready for this show.

849
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:02.480
I was ready.

850
00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:05.639
I was to talk to Seth about all this, but

851
00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:08.280
obviously we haven't been able to lock him down for

852
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:08.800
the show.

853
00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:11.320
But we're gonna have to do a pre record with

854
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:14.679
Seth because Monday nights don't work out so well. So

855
00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:16.639
we're going to do a pre record and we'll get

856
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:19.039
We'll make it work for the listeners. Don't worry, we'll

857
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:20.960
make it work for us. We'll make it work for Seth.

858
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:24.599
Sounds good because I know you really want to get

859
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:27.360
on that topic. Vance any final thoughts.

860
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:32.760
I would say on a final thought once you if

861
00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:37.000
you do watch this, and I would encourage you to

862
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:43.199
watch this, get past the first maybe ten minutes to

863
00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:47.360
understand what the intro is. But once you get past that,

864
00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:53.639
I think it's a very intriguing documentary and you're gonna

865
00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:57.639
learn a lot more than what you probably know already.

866
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:02.800
And that's the big value of what I took away

867
00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:06.360
from this is that I took away a lot more

868
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:11.679
than what I knew twenty minutes before I started watching it.

869
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:17.760
Loaded with information, loaded with a fantastic story. I guess

870
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:21.519
I don't have you know much more to say on it. Besides,

871
00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:24.000
it was it was long. It was about two hours.

872
00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:27.480
It was worth maybe a little over two hours worth

873
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:29.079
every moment I invested in it.

874
00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:32.360
It's probably wait to spend on Saturday afternoon.

875
00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:34.920
I'll tell you that.

876
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:39.840
It is, and it's well done. It looks good. The

877
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:43.599
talking heads they have it or anything but boring. Take

878
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:46.920
a chance, watch it, enjoy it, and then let us

879
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:49.559
know what you think in the comments below. Please do

880
00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:52.800
the YouTube channel you can find pretty well.

881
00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:55.760
It does flow pretty because it's almost ten and a

882
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:57.440
half hours, but it just flies by.

883
00:54:59.199 --> 00:54:59.480
Most.

884
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:04.239
I'm gonna say this is with the with really anything

885
00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:10.719
from STM. It's high quality and just the flow of

886
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:16.000
how the the documentaries and in the movies go through.

887
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:19.519
It is just such a it's a it's a great

888
00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:22.599
pace and really I can't I can't say enough of

889
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:25.840
good things about their productions out.

890
00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:28.719
There, right, And that's that's what we have on it.

891
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:31.039
I'm sure Henry's got his written review. I'll post my

892
00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:34.679
written review in the Patreon and on Amazon. Uh, if

893
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:38.159
you folks watch it, do the folks at STM a

894
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:41.880
favor and leave them a written review, help them promote it,

895
00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:44.159
just like we asked you to do for us. Rate

896
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:47.039
us and review us. We have one knucklehead that really

897
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:49.000
likes to leave us a bad review every show. I

898
00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:51.559
don't know if I punched his mom your error or

899
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:58.760
always won I know coming back and they like that. Yeah,

900
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:01.039
well it's until it keeps driving our ratings down and

901
00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:06.360
throws us down the I do. And you should care

902
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:09.119
about ratings too, vance Yeah I.

903
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:12.199
Do, but I don't care about one individual.

904
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:15.960
Well, one individual makes a difference. And so folks out

905
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:18.960
there that are listening, please do us a favor and

906
00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:21.719
overcome that one person. Rate us and review us, Spotify,

907
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:24.400
Apple podcasts, leave us a thumbs up or in a

908
00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:26.599
middle finger, whatever you need to do, just make sure

909
00:56:26.599 --> 00:56:29.119
you're giving us feedback because the show is for you,

910
00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:31.840
the listeners. We thank you for bearing with us, going

911
00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:34.519
through another one of my rants. Just coming back after

912
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:37.719
a few weeks to join us. We'll be back again

913
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:40.119
in two weeks, well, not next week, the week after

914
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:44.079
with another program. We've got some exciting shows coming up

915
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:48.800
for especially if you're a fan of bigfoot books. We're

916
00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:51.440
gonna have some good authors joining us to talk about.

917
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:54.639
There's one quick thing I want to plug, and that's

918
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:58.599
a channel and website called Bigfoot Forensics.

919
00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:00.599
Yes, very good, Henry.

920
00:57:01.159 --> 00:57:03.199
You guys should check it out. If you haven't checked

921
00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:07.320
it out already's Bigfoot Forensics dot Com.

922
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:12.360
There you have it, bigfoot forensics dot com. Henry, why

923
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:14.960
don't you do us a favor, my friend, take us

924
00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:18.599
out with those dulcet tones. You'll be good or be

925
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:21.519
good at it. There you have it, folks, We'll see

926
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:22.000
you next time.

927
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