Aug. 29, 2024

EP 110: Searching for the Lost Tribes with Maxim Furek

EP 110: Searching for the Lost Tribes with Maxim Furek

Author Maxim Furek stops by the Sasquatch Experience to discuss his upcoming book, The Lost Tribes of Bigfoot, which is published by Hangar 1 Publishers.

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Season 10

Author Maxim Furek stops by the Sasquatch Experience to discuss his upcoming book, The Lost Tribes of Bigfoot, which is published by Hangar 1 Publishers.

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The views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch

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Experience do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the host, sponsors,

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or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener discretion

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is advised.

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We got someone or something crawling around out here?

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Does a legend walk among us working in the forests

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of our world?

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Did you see what it was?

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Was it a person or an animal?

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Or I can't go? Oh, I know as if my

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thunder light came on and I heard happened to glen

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and see this thing running across the yard A good

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fight man or something works like a man. I don't

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know what it was.

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For over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators,

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and witnesses trying to gain insight and truth around the

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existence of this mysterious entity.

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Jesus quite ar pel, Hello, get somebody out here. What's

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going to announce there? That's got a mention about six

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foot nine?

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I don't know eas he announced there?

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Yeah, I'm working right Ay, Oh, okay, hand on her? Yeah,

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got he's big?

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Okay, what's he doing in your yard?

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We're gonna do.

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Join us as we continue into the investigation of the

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Sasquatch Experience. And good evening everyone. Welcome to the Sasquatch

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Experience for Monday, August twenty six, twenty twenty four. I'm

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Sean the Ford chop Forker, joined by James Baker, Henry May,

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Matt Arner, Vince Nesbitt, and our guest tonight, the esteemed

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Maxim Furick, author of Searching for the Lost Tribes of Bigfoot.

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I added searching for the Lost Tribes to make the

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show sound fun.

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And you added esteem too.

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Thanks for so folks. We are here tonight, gonna have

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a great show with Maxim, but we do have to

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hit a couple of housekeeping notes. First, of course, Henry

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May down at the bottom of the screen here would

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probably join me more so and mourning the fact that

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we lost Henry Franzoni. Yeah, yes, last week, Henry. You know,

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when we go back and look at our journeys into

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Bigfoot and when it all started as a young kid,

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probably fifteen sixteen years old, stumbling around on internet forums,

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and that's when I found Henry Franzoni and who was

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a very generous person, brought me into you know, the

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up to speed at the time, and I'll always be

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thankful for that lost touch with Henry over the years.

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Of course we talked back and forth on the Forest

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Giants page and so on and so forth. But Henry,

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what a loss to the field of Bigfoot.

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Absolutely. I met the other Henry in the big fi

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community once in two thousand and nine. Very nice guy.

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I used to have his first book I lost in

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the flow of twenty sixteen, unfortunately, but.

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Yeah, very fascinating book.

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The first book he wrote in the Spirit of Siatco

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was basically what he did was he found different place

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names right tied to Sasquatch. If let's say there's a

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place called Devil something.

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Devil, Devil's Lake or so on and so forth.

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Right, this Devil's that, Yeah, because before the name's Bigfoot

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and the Sasquatch came along, devil was a common name

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for these creatures.

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Correct, right, And uh, I mean he wrote a second book,

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Failing in a Cooler Way, which I just picked up

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not long ago, and I can't wait to read that

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about you know how he you know, unfortunately didn't get

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to solved the Bigfoot mystery, among other things. So what

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a cool pedal of a book, a little humor and

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God speed Henry. You will be missed, but you know,

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again once again a loss for us here in the

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Bigfoot field. So move on with a little bit of

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later news. Bigfoot just kind of taken over. Last week.

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We had our monthly hangout with our patreons, which everybody

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you can join for a little as two dollars a month.

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had some really good dialogue between Vance Baker, myself and Sam.

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I think I really super good. So if you get

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a chance, folks, we're gonna start bringing on special guests

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to join us for those monthly hangouts, build something a

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little form for those of you who really go above

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and beyond and help contribute to the financials of the show.

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We appreciate you, and it's one way again for us

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to say thanks for being a supporter.

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Man.

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The folks just lining in the night, I wish I

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could have mentioned them all, Bob Hip, Laurie, Steve Hyde, Charlotte, Jay,

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Sharon Scott, all our friends coming in, James Baker, still

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needing w D forty, never gonna live this seat. Yeah,

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but the train, I mean, just a lot of activity

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last week above and beyond that with this, Ronnie LeBlanc

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kind of put out that bombshell announcement of some footage

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that was captured in an unknown location that had multiple

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Sasquatch that kind of fizzled out as soon as it

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fizzled up, and we thank Steve Calls for doing his

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due diligence and jumping in on that one, which, by

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the way, folks, we may not see for months due

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to non disclosure agreements and other obstacles getting in the way.

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And from what Steve said on his show, I encourage

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you all to go to sas Squatch Detective TV on YouTube.

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Our good friend Steve Calls, I encourage you to go

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check out those couple episodes because the information Steve gives

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kind of ads adds a little bit more to the story,

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right Henry, Yes, exactly. Yeah, I mean what we're talking about.

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It was inferred through other folks that we may be

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seeing what could be the next Patterson Gimlin film, and

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Steve kind of walk that back real quick with some

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secondary information that said the images might be Okay, it's

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the story that completes it. So again, you need a

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little bit more context before we start getting really excited

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about the latest and greatest footage.

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Well, what those questions may be thrown to Steve during

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the PA Bigfoot Camping Adventure because he's going to attend there,

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so maybe some of those questions will be thrown to

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him and we'll see where it goes to from there

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by the time we do our next show. Let's see

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what happens.

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Right, But before we get to the next show, let's

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get kicking on with the night show. And we've got

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a great guest for you tonight, folks. I met Maxim

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at the Central PA Bigfoot Encryptidfest last year in Elysburg, Pennsylvania,

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and I was impressed with Maxim because he really comes

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off at this as with a different background than most.

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And so Maxim w. Furich the W stands for way

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cool is an avid student of the paranormal is The

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eclectic background includes aspects of psychology, addictions, and rock journalism.

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He has a master's degree in communication from Bloomsburg University

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and a bachelor's in psychology from Aquinashee College. Maximum has

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written numerous rock biographies in paranormal three books such as

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Flying Sauce or Esoteric, The Altered States of Ufology and

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Coal Region Hudoo Paranormal Tales from Inside the Pit. Maximu

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has been interviewed on podcasts including Exploring the Bizarre with

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the legendary Timothy Green, Beckley art Bell's Midnight in the

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Desert when it was hosted by Heather Wade, and The

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Paranormal sixty with Dave Schrader. He has a respected contributor

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to Fate Magazine, Normal Paranormal and Paranormal Underground, showcasing his

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expertise and knowledge in the field. And on that note,

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we are really glad to have Maximum the program with us, sir.

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Thank you so much for joining us.

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Yes you, yeah, thank you everybody. But I'm just excited

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to be here in the room and to have a

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conversation about Bigfoot. This is this is great. I'm again

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I appreciate, uh the invitation. And as we were talking,

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just before the show came on the my latest book,

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The Lost Tribes of Bigfoot, was just released the other day,

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so I got my copy today. But I'm just so excited.

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It looks good. It's gorgeous. Anger One the guys that

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do Monster Quest, and you know, it's just they've been really,

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really good and the one thing I want to say

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about the book that's kind of interesting. They use a

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thing called IBT. It's Immersive Book Technology, and what they

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do is throughout the book, I think there's eight places

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they have a QR code and like right here and

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you could see that QR code. What you do is

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you take your phone your camera and you hit that

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and there's a little yellow rectangle. You press your finger

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to that and then they'll have this three to five

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minute video of me giving a synopsis of that chapter.

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So it's Doug Hicheck feels that it's cutting edge technology

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and you know, and I'm just glad to be part

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of it. But as James was asking, you know, I

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think that maybe there's a way to go and take

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those video clips and you know, put them on social

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media and use that for additional uh you know, uh exposure.

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But anyway, I'm you know, I'm excited. I think my

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uh relationship with hangar one is a good one, and

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they seem to be really good guys. So I'm I'm

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here in a state of euphoria because you know, as

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an author, when your book first comes out, you don't

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know the joy of holding that baby. It's like a baby,

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just holding it from and looking through it and reading

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through it and saying, you know, and not finding any

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typos or anything, you know. So that's so anyway, Yeah,

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great to be here and looking forward to talking about Sasquatch.

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Well, Maxim, the book literally just dropped yesterday for folks

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to go out and buy it. I bought a copy

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on Kindle, which for those of you who are digital

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you can get a kindle copy. Paperback is available, and

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you know, we always appreciate a good library, So get

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yourself a copy of the physical book and help support

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our authors so they keep writing them. But what I

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love so far about the book, Maxim, when I told

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you before we went on air, is that it flows well,

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and that's incredibly important. I think I've read just about

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every book you can. Henry has probably every book plus

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two on blood and sometimes though it might be some

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of the information maybe a little bit of a retread,

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you keep it flowing well, which is good. Plus you

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give your own opinion and take on things, which is

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you know, you know why we have you on the

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show night. But really, to get this kicked off, Maxim,

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Bigfoot was new to you. You didn't jump into the

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paranormal going. I'm going to get into cryptozoology. What was

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your your genesis? What was the empatus to get started

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in big Foot?

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Well, first of all, as a baby boomer, you know,

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like I was brought up with Twilight Zone and Inner

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Sanctum and you know, outer limits stuff. Pardon the good stuff, Yeah,

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the good stuff. So I mean we you know, we

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had a PhD in this weirdness, you know, in the supernatural.

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So I mean, you know, I grew up with that stuff.

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Loved that, horror movies, comic books, the whole thing. So

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that was that. But I'm a rock journalist and my

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I guess claim to fame was I had a book

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called somebody Else's Dream, the Boys Dakota and Timothy, And

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in nineteen seventy one, a group from Wisburgh called the

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Boys b U O Y S had a song, a

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hit song called Timothy. That was the biggest hit we

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had in northeastern Pennsylvania. That was our claim to fame.

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You know, we had our hometown guys who were on

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the national charts. Timothy written by Rupert Holmes. You know.

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The Pina Colada Man was about cannibalism and a mind

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shaft he just wrote the song to invoke controversy. Now,

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by doing my research, I realized that the song Timothy

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seemed to parallel what happened in Shepton in nineteen sixty three.

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There was a mind disaster. Three guys were in tune

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for two weeks. Only two came out, and they wanted

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to know what happened to the third guy. He was

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a well they thought there was They thought there was

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the allegations of cannibalism, including Louis Bova, you know, the

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missing miner. His son Johnny felt that they ate him,

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so he still every time they interview him, he says that.

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But anyway, as I was researching Shepton, I found all

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these paranormal avenues, out of body experiences, near death experiences,

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after life experiences. One of the big ease was the

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miners claimed that Pope John the twenty third was in

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the mind with him for two weeks. Pope John the

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twenty third died in June of sixty three. Shepton took

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place in August, and all three of the popes purported miracles.

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And it doesn't matter what you know, religion, you are,

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or whatever. And in Catholicism, you know you have to

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demonstrate at least one miracle to be canonized, and Shepton

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was acknowledged as one of the Pope's miracles, that he

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saved those guys just by being there, just by not

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saying anything, but just by being there. The miners saw aliens,

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they saw things in pitch blackness. A lot of bizarre

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things happened. And what happened with me? I wrote an

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article for Fate magazine, and I was invited to a

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paranormal conference in Baltimore. And then because of that mysterious

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universe in Australia did a ninety minute program on my book.

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And then the fourth one it was wasn't three is fourth?

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The one skeptical inquirer did this really big ass piece

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of the book and they discounted it at the end,

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you know, with Ackham's razor. But nevertheless they said that

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the book was the definitive book on Shepton. And so anyway,

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the Shepton book opened up the doors to the paranormal.

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And then I wrote a book called Coal Region Who Do,

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which had two chapters on Bigfoot, And this was the

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kicker one was let me see the Bigfoot enigma and

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the Bigfoot hypotheses. I mean, what are people saying about it?

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What could it be? So on the basis of those

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two chapters, I was invited to well, Gwen invited me

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to Elisburg for the Bigfoot Conference. I was invited to

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Johnstown with Eric Altman and Stan Gordon, you know, the

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big guy from out in western PA. And you know,

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and you know, it's just gotten bigger and bigger. So

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I decided to follow up with a book specifically about

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Bigfoot and and had this was introduced to hangar One

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and Doug and Alex Hicheck. So you know, again this

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my journey is just starting. But after the book was

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published in twenty twenty three, I mean, the doors opened

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and I was invited and again I don't know how

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this it was like osmosis, but I'm invited all these

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Bigfoot things. And but it's been great. I mean, I mean,

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I mean, you know, people have been wonderful. You know,

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you know, my research has been well received, and I

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really like being in the paraanormal community, probably more than

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in the rock and roll community. And so it's just,

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you know, it's just been a really good ride, a

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real nice part of my journey. And you know, like

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everybody else, I went to learn as much as I

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can and be able to intellectually, I guess articulate in

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a cryptosis and zoology and bickfoot, you know, to the

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to the masses. You know, I'm going to bring something

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to the table, right and and you know that's what

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Where you're succeeding I I you know, you do have

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an interesting background, you know, background in psychology, and you know,

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using that maxim how's it been the journey? You know,

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you meet these not just the people that have had settings.

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You meet the investigators. You get to know them and

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you start, you know, getting to you know, realize what

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makes them tick. Is there anything that stands out about

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the investigators as much as the witnesses themselves?

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Lauren Coleman and Nick Redford. You know, I read their

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books and I had a chance to meet Jeff Meldrum

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and David Pilate's down in twenty twenty three at the

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Okalla Bigfoot Expo. And that was just a massive expo,

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widely attended, and again I was sort of new to

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the field, but I was able to get a podcast

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interview with these paranormal guys from Tallahassee, Florida. So I

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hooked up with additional Bigfoot organizations, and you know, I'm

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a snowboard I spend summers in beautiful Pennsylvania and then

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winters in crowded Florida. So I go back down to

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Florida in November. There's a bunch of people that I'm

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going to be, you know, hooking up with, and we're

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going to be doing some Bigfoot things and there's a

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big one we're putting together for the villages. So you know,

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I'm just excited. I think this is you know, I

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think I'm you know, I'd like to be considered as

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a as a bigfoot researcher, you know, who approaches this

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as a as a scientist, as an academic, and you

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know that's what I hope to bring to the field.

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Excellent. What's your fascination with Albert Ausmen?

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Oh? Yeah, I think that was nineteen twenty four, right.

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Yeah, very good.

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Yeah, and so so that he was a Swedish Canadian hunter, logger,

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trapper and there are some mysterious things happening around his campsite.

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You know, there was some destruction there of some things

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being stolen. I think he saw footprints. So what he

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did was he hid in his sleeping bag with a

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gun and with his chewing tobacca, and all of a sudden,

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as he was sleeping, something picked him up and carried him,

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you know, for the longest time. So they finally put

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him down. Here. It was a family of sasquatch. There

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was a mother and father, and there was a male

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and female you know, siblings. The kids they fed him

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sweet tasting grass. They were fascinated by him, and he

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got the idea that they were going to be using

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him for breeding purposes. So he was freaking out. He

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thought that what he was going to do was he

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was going to go and try to entice the one

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sasquatch with his chewing tobacca and then shoot him with

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his rifle. So what he did was he was able

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to get the sasquatch to eat the chewing tobacca and

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got sick and then he took off. So it was

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years later big from nineteen twenty four when Bigfoot started

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to resonate and there were articles and things that he approached.

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John Green, one of the legendary four Horsemen of Sasquatry

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and John Green was the first one to go and

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interview him and believe that the story he told was accurate.

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He was describing a family of bigfoot, you know, when

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in recent times we always talk about solitary bigfoot, you know,

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So this guy's talking about the family, was describing their

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behaviors and all that. So he brought a bunch of

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things to the table. They gave him a live detector test,

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all kinds of things. There in Canada, he signed after

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Davids and he claimed that what he saw was true.

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in nineteen sixty three you had Betty and Barney Hill

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who had a similar thing. That's claimed that as they

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were driving back from vacation, you know, through the White

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Mountains of New Hampshire, that a UFO captured them. And

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this was a slight a little bit different, but Betty

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and Barney Hill kicked off this abductee thing, which after

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the contactees with UFOs and then the abductees, it was

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like the next generation of people that saw these things.

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So I just saw some commonality between Albert Osmon and

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Betty and Barney Hill you know, again both being abducted,

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and again I believe and I talk in my book

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about the similarities between Bigfoot and UFOs and also especially

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in Western Pennsylvania and Vance. I don't know how it

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is in Illinois, but we tend to see Bigfoot in

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Western Pennsylvania along with UFOs.

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So it's interesting that you bring that up because you

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and I were both very conscious, even though we were

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much younger at that point when these events happened. And

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yet there's this correlation that maybe there's something tied together

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with that. But the mystique of all of it, and

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I've told Sean and I've told you know, James Baker

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and Henry. I was one of the first to actually

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watch the PG film for the first time when it

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was aired on National TV, and I'm a young child

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at the time, and I said, no, that's a real monster.

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There was no doubt in my mind. This is a

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real monster. And then the uf FOK phenomenon came in

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with like you said, you know, with Barney and Betty,

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all this tied into such reality at the time that

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we bought into it. Whether it's a hoax, I kind

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of doubt it because of the fact of the sensation

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that we felt emotionally when we first heard the stories

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and we first saw the footage, and there's such a

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I don't know how you want to say it, this

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strengthening bond between those two. So I appreciate the fact

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that you shared those two stories because that's something that

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our generation experienced for the first time, and it sticks

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with us. So it's like an anchor with us, and

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we want to get to the bottom of the truth

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of what actually happened. But I think we actually know

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what happened.

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So a question I have to follow up on that

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point because listen, guys, i didn't come around till much later.

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I'm the baby of the group when these you call

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them sensational stories, Vance, But when these first came out

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to the public, you know you, your reaction Vance was

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oh my god, it's a real monster. You talk about Patterson, Gimlin,

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you talk about the Osman story, you talk about Bartie

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and Betty Hill, maximum Maxim. Do you know or do

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you recall what the general consensus was at the time,

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the average person, What was the average person thinking about it?

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Well, when you even ask the average person about you know,

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big Foot, you know cryptal zoology, things like that Bigfoot

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is the one that most people who are believers believe in,

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as opposed to say the Lockness Monster, or maybe even

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with the Irish fairies. And you go over to Ireland

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and I mean everybody has a story about the little people,

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about the fairies. You know, over here it sounds bizarre

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and it's hard to go and you know, wrap your

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arms around it. But over there, I mean it's significant.

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It's it's substantial. But it really doesn't matter what the

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people think. It matters what we think and what we're

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putting together. I was doing some research on I have

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a chapter in the Lost Tribes of Bigfoot called is

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Bigfoot are New Religion? And I claim that when people

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go out into the woods, you know, they're looking for

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that higher power. They have a group of people that

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have shared values. They do the sacrifice and the community,

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the communal thing and the communion, so it's a sacred thing.

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I mean, they're looking for something. But one of the

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things I found out was with my group Generation X,

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born between nineteen forty six and nineteen sixty four, one

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of the facts I came across was that sixty four

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percent of us believed in God and organized religion. And

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when you compare that with Generation Z, you know, we

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had Baby Boomers and then Generation X, then Millennials, and

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now Z. Generation Z kids were born after nineteen ninety seven.

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Right now, the oldest Generation Z person is twenty seven

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years old. Only twenty four percent of Gen Z believes

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in God and organized religion. Compare that twenty four percent

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with you know, sixty four percent. So man has a

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need to believe. We have to have a belief in something,

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have faith in something. So if it's not organized religion,

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what is it? And I make the play in the

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one chapter that is the most controversial chapter in my book,

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I believe that a number of people are going to

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Bigfoot and going to the paranormal as their church, as

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their religion, as their belief Again, again, it doesn't matter

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what you believe in, and actually it's nobody's business what

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you believe in. But it's between you and your higher power.

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And if somebody chooses that higher power to be Bigfoot,

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than so be it.

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You know, but you know what makes them. You and

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I are going out to lunch at some point.

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So I agree with what you're saying. But some of

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the percentages are probably one hundred percent correct. But I

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think also we have to look at how communities have changed.

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Like when I was a kid, I'm a gen X.

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As I was a kid, it was a small community.

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We didn't have the internet, we didn't have all these things,

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and so like church was a big part of life

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because that's when everybody got together, that's when you so

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you know that, So that was your social network, church, work, home.

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I think now with the Millennials and Zenials, even our

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even our group of Gen x is, we are bombarded

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with so much information that it's hard to believe in

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things so wholeheartedly because for every real truth we get,

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there's twenty seven fakes that will right by it. So

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you're correct that I think the religion is solely I

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wouldn't say dying because some places are thriving. Some places

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it's thriving more because they're living in a world where

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they don't have the bombardment and information.

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They also that's their.

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Social group, and I think that's where and I think

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00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:50.960
what you're talking about is true. Is it's but I

456
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:53.480
think it's less a religion. It's more of a spiritual

457
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:56.559
like people are using the woods for to find a

458
00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:00.720
safe space and spiritual zone, and like, I love I

459
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:04.599
love jam Jenny, I love Jamie and Jenny King because

460
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:07.599
when you talk to them, they're like, oh, we're not

461
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:10.559
out looking for bigfoot. We were hiking and we happen

462
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:12.359
to see a track, Yeah.

463
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:14.799
To watch the river flow. Yeah.

464
00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:18.319
Yeah, it's funny you said that, because as Maxim was

465
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.359
having that, you know, talking about that, the first person

466
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:24.000
that came to my mind was Jamie King. And we'll

467
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:25.640
hit on that when we come back, folks. We got

468
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:28.400
to take a break here mid show Sean Forker, James Baker,

469
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:31.319
Henry Main, matt An Advanced nesment with our guest Maxim Furrett.

470
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:33.440
We'll be back right after that.

471
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:42.799
Guy walks into a bar with a monkey, sits down

472
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:43.200
at the bar.

473
00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:45.160
The monkey runs around the circle, jumps up on the

474
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:46.319
pool table, and eats.

475
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:48.720
The cue ball the bar, just like pal, What the heck?

476
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:50.759
He says, I'm so sorry, he never acts like this.

477
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:52.640
I really really apologize. Let me pay for that.

478
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.079
I'm so sorry. Three weeks later, they come back in

479
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:56.519
the bar. The guy sits down at the bar.

480
00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:58.480
The monkey runs around the circle, jumps up on the bar,

481
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:00.599
runs from one end to the other haves a cherry,

482
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:02.319
sticks it up his butt, pulls it out and needs it.

483
00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:04.720
The button says, Now, what the heck is going on?

484
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:06.880
He says, Oh yeah, ever since he ate that cuball

485
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:08.079
he measures everything first.

486
00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:15.079
Ah, yes, well, apparently size does matter. Happy Monday night

487
00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:18.000
to you all. I hope you're having a wonderful evening

488
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:20.880
and thanks for joining us here at the Sasquatch Experience

489
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:33.839
for the Bigfoot, bull Horn, Bondo Bondo ape often described

490
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:38.440
as a large bipedal primeate. The Bondo epe, also known

491
00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:41.599
as the Billie Ape, is said to resemble a cross

492
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.119
between a gorilla and a human. This has led to

493
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:49.440
the speculation about its connections to cryptids, just like Bigfoot

494
00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:53.759
or the Eddy. Of course, the term Bondo references a

495
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:57.839
region in the Democratic Republic of the Congo where many

496
00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:02.480
sightings have been reported, and Billy refers to a specific

497
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:09.440
area within the Bondo region, known for its dense, unexplored forests. Now,

498
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:14.319
Billy apes have garnered a formidable reputation as lion killers,

499
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:20.160
a title that contributed to their mystique. This reputation largely

500
00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:25.400
stems from local folklore and anecdotal reports suggesting that these

501
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:30.400
apes had the strength and ferocity to confront and kill lions.

502
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:35.759
Such accounts have painted the billy apes as exceptionally formidable

503
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:42.119
and aggressive compared to their primate cousins, contributing to their lore. However,

504
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:47.680
scientific research and observations, such as those conducted by Hickson

505
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:52.359
Williams have provided a more nuanced understanding of these apes.

506
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:57.720
While they exhibit unique behaviors not commonly observed in other

507
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:02.960
chimpanzee groups, there is no concrete evidence that supports these

508
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:08.720
sensational claims. Interest from the Western world surged in the

509
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:13.359
late twentieth and early twenty first centuries as explorers and

510
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:19.319
cryptozoologists became intrigued by the possibility of a new primate species.

511
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:24.000
In nineteen ninety six, Karl a Man, a Swiss photographer,

512
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:28.279
became intrigued with the possibility of uncovering a new ape

513
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:34.160
species after coming across unique skulls at a Belgian museum.

514
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:37.920
This led him to the remote northern Congo, where he

515
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:42.319
heard tales of the Bondowa from local hunters. They spoke

516
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:48.839
of tree beaters and lion killers. Formidable apes reputed it

517
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:53.720
for their strength and immunity to poison arrows. Over twelve

518
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:58.119
years of documenting these chimpanzees in the Billy region, Hicks

519
00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:02.119
and his team uncovered a host the behaviors unique to

520
00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:08.359
this population, including specialized tool use for insect and honey harvesting,

521
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:13.880
and the unusual practice of building ground nests. Sound familiar.

522
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:19.559
These insights into their complex culture echo the early stages

523
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:28.200
of human technological evolution and further our understanding of ecological adaptations.

524
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:33.119
When we come back, Yep, it's the same thing, over

525
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and over until you comply.

526
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553
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Thanks again for listening to the big Foot Bullhorn right

554
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here on the Sasquatch Experience, and as always, until we meet.

555
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Again, keep you in bond Bond Advanced. You've been issued.

556
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You've been issued into merit for that really bad folks

557
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SaaS Watch experience. Yeah, I can't control them, folks for

558
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:56.719
one hour a week. This is what you get is folks,

559
00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:59.400
welcome back to the SaaS Watch experience. You know who

560
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:02.800
we are and our guess. Of course. Maxim Fear talking

561
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:05.920
about his book The Lost Tribes of Bigfoot. You know,

562
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:09.559
the title in itself is incredibly interesting, Maxim. Where'd you

563
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:11.079
come up with it? And what? You know, how did

564
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:12.800
you put the thought together for the whole concept of

565
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:13.239
the book.

566
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:15.480
Yeah, just you know, we're trying to figure out what

567
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:18.400
this thing is. And you know a lot of people

568
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:21.519
think that it might be some sort of a brillic cryptid,

569
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:28.760
maybe like a Giganto pithecus or you know, Neanderthal, you know,

570
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:32.199
and in my book I talk about that. But I

571
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:35.679
also refute the idea of a missing link. I mean,

572
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:38.199
I think a lot of people toss that term around,

573
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:41.360
and I believe it's just it's anti science. And the

574
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:44.360
reason I say that is that my belief is that

575
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:48.360
man and ape had a common ancestor, and at one point,

576
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:52.960
the monkeys, the gibbons and the chimps evolved and climbed

577
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:56.079
the trees and were very successful and with their revolution.

578
00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:58.719
And then a little bit later man did the same thing,

579
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:02.480
split from that common ancestor and also climbed the trees

580
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:06.880
and then came down as Homo erectus and then Homo sapiens.

581
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:11.079
So there was no missing link, because you know, we

582
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:14.119
were separate, we branched off. But yet a lot of

583
00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:17.719
people I think that are ill informed, you know, talk

584
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:21.760
about this and you know, again I think that, you know,

585
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:27.360
they're just ignorant of the facts. We've also had hoaxes

586
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:33.719
like the Piltdown Man and the Missouri Iceman that you know,

587
00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:37.079
claimed to be the missing link between apes and man,

588
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:40.719
and those have been refuted. But the Piltdown Man is

589
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:46.000
a pretty interesting one because that was discovered in England

590
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:49.280
and it was it was pretty intriguing. I mean, why

591
00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:52.800
would a hoax like this These people put together. They

592
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:56.559
found a human skull and what they did was they

593
00:38:56.800 --> 00:39:00.440
the hoax was a human skull and then an orangutang jaw,

594
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:02.760
and so they made it look like it was old.

595
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:06.239
They used iron oxide and everything. They mucked up the

596
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:11.280
teeth and they made it sound like like it was

597
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:13.920
an actual thing that they found. Well it was a hoax.

598
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:16.880
Now what was happening in I think it was in

599
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:19.840
Germany they had they had the Heidelberg Man. It was

600
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:24.599
an actual, you know, humanoid that they found, and England

601
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:28.360
wanted to go and have their humanoid. So here this

602
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:33.519
guy put together this hoax and he and the scientific community,

603
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:36.239
the political community was looking the other way. So this

604
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:40.239
hoax just you know, stayed around for a while, it survived,

605
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:43.199
and then finally the scientific community was able to take

606
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:44.719
a look at them and say, no, this is wrong.

607
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:48.480
But you know, we were deceived, we were bamboozled. You know,

608
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:52.559
it's it's disingenuous. You know, these hoaxers need to be

609
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:56.880
called out, you know, and especially with the UFO community

610
00:39:56.920 --> 00:39:58.920
and the Bigfoot community, you know, I mean, come on,

611
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:02.159
you know, you know, there's too many people that are

612
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:05.559
looking for their their their glory, their fifty minutes of fame,

613
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:09.000
and they'll do anything to do that. And a good

614
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:15.800
example with in July August nineteen twenty twenty three, Haimi Moussan,

615
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:22.880
the Mexican paranormal investigator, carted out these humanoids that he

616
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:25.760
claimed he found in Peru and he did it during

617
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:29.679
the Mexican Chronic Congress. This was right after the United

618
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:34.880
States Congressional UFO hearings with David that this guy was

619
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:38.039
called out by the Mexican scientific community. He's a hoaxer,

620
00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:41.400
he's a liar, he's a deceiver, and you know, I

621
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:44.880
don't know. I mean, you know, I I say in

622
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:47.880
my book that these people have sold their souls, you know,

623
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:49.920
and they need to be called out, called out for

624
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:53.960
what they are. They they do a disservice to us,

625
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:57.880
to cryptozoology, and you know, we have to do everything

626
00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:00.719
we can to keep keep this above board and as

627
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:05.599
aligned with scientific you know, method as we can.

628
00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:09.280
Yeah, because every time they get their fifteen minutes, we're

629
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:10.159
set back.

630
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:12.360
A year exactly exactly.

631
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:12.960
James.

632
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:13.480
Yeah.

633
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:16.000
I mean like like it's funny, but if you get

634
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:18.400
a chance to listen to Star Talk Neil de grasse

635
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:23.719
Tyson talking, Yeah, and he's very like they put me

636
00:41:23.800 --> 00:41:26.119
in to look at these aliens, and he's like, I'm

637
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:31.840
astro stronomer, not a biologist, right, really can't help you.

638
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:34.679
Yeah. I talk a lot in my book about the

639
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:37.719
Patterson Gimlin film, and I think this is one of

640
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:41.320
the other than the footprints. This is one of the

641
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:45.440
best examples of information that we have, you know, to

642
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:50.760
validate sasquatch, even though it's controver controversial. Some people believe that,

643
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:53.000
some people don't. But you know, if you were going

644
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:55.599
to go and do a hoax like that, don't you

645
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:58.199
think he would have had more than just fifty eight

646
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:01.840
or fifty nine second a video to show this thing

647
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:08.840
wouldn't be a little bit longer. But even they watched

648
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:13.239
the sasquatch that move that turned around and looked and

649
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:17.320
the the the movements, you know, the muscles, you know,

650
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:21.559
the the skin and everything. It's not a costume. You know,

651
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:24.199
it's something else. But in my.

652
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.880
I I was just gonna say, in your book, you

653
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:33.239
cover the peachy film extensively through your book. Is there

654
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:39.199
is there a particular reason that you use that throughout

655
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:40.400
the throughout your book.

656
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:43.400
Yeah, because it resonated with me, and it's uh, it's

657
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:47.159
the one example, the one bit of proof you know

658
00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:50.159
that we have no Again, it's not not everybody agrees

659
00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:53.079
with it, but but for somebody like me, I believe

660
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:56.400
that it's true. And I talk about Patterson and Gimlin

661
00:42:56.719 --> 00:43:01.840
and their relationship and Patterson died of answer. But after

662
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:07.079
they found after they did the video, Patterson and Gimlan

663
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:09.639
went their ways. Patterson was trying to raise money. He

664
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:12.280
wanted to make a documentary, raise money to have an

665
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:16.559
extensive expedition looking for Bigfoot. Gimlin hit the road. He

666
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:19.440
was like the wandering Jew, you know, the lost I

667
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:22.000
lost in the desert. He was out there for the

668
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:25.000
longest time. You know. He didn't want any acclaim any fame.

669
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:30.039
And then the Bigfoot coultist came to him and brought

670
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:33.360
him in. So he's I talked about him being almost

671
00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:37.199
like a saint, and he never wavered from what he said.

672
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:41.119
He you know, he didn't want the recognition. Uh, he

673
00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:43.559
believed he said that Bigfoot is real. He said the

674
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:47.880
same thing that Patterson said. But he's a nice old man.

675
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:51.559
I've met him a few times. Yeah, I would like,

676
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.159
I'd liked would love to meet him and shake his hand.

677
00:43:54.559 --> 00:44:00.320
I did talk to his granddaughter, well talked to over

678
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:03.840
the internet, and I was trying to establish a relationship

679
00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:07.599
with her. But yeah, but you know, he's still out there,

680
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:11.840
and I think Portland and uh, you know, and he

681
00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:14.920
and he's just much loved, but he's like one of

682
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:17.599
our heroes. I mean, he's he saw what we're all

683
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:20.760
looking for, you know, so, uh, just amazing. But even

684
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:24.519
the there needs to be a motion picture about Patterson

685
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:29.360
and Gimlin and the whole thing. And and but Matt,

686
00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:31.239
that's a great question you asked. But it's just like

687
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:34.039
it intrigues me, like it intrigues everybody else.

688
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:37.679
Absolutely, you know, so absolutely totally agree with you.

689
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:44.719
Yeah, one thing about you know, in my book, I say,

690
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:47.320
if it's not flesh and blood, what is it? And

691
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:49.440
I know there seems to be a war going on.

692
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:51.639
You know, first of all, you have a war with

693
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:54.840
a scientific community and the cryptal zoologist and they look

694
00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:57.639
down on us. And then even within our ranks, you

695
00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:01.159
have the people that go out with the campfires looking

696
00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:05.679
for sasquatch versus guys like me that you know, I claim,

697
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:08.360
if it's not flesh and blood, what is it? And

698
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:12.119
then I throw around some theories like the interdimensional theory

699
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:16.119
that was first proposed by Einstein that claims that, you know,

700
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:20.119
you could bend the time space continuum and just move

701
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:23.760
from one point to another instantaneously. So you know, we

702
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:28.000
talk about bigfoot having that by location that it's in

703
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:29.760
front of you then behind you. You know a lot

704
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:32.280
of people have talked about that, so that may be

705
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:38.119
an interdimensional thing. I talk about mass hallucinations, and I

706
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:43.079
also talk about Young's collective unconscious that just maybe this

707
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:46.360
could be a residue from DNA that goes way back

708
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:51.480
when and it's in amygdala. And you know, we see

709
00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:53.719
these things, I mean all of us. So you know

710
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:59.039
what our ancestors saw, you know, whatever creatures, cracons, whatever

711
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:02.800
they saw. You know, we're seeing this again now again

712
00:46:03.079 --> 00:46:05.960
we don't know. But as you know, I consider myself

713
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:08.719
a citizen scientist, you know, because I don't have any

714
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:13.280
background in crypto zoology. But I think that what we

715
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:18.880
need to do is just find terminologies, theories, genres, slot

716
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:21.320
you know, our ideas there and let people go and

717
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:23.400
then pick it apart. You know. So I think that's

718
00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:26.079
the best we could do. That's the best I can do,

719
00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:28.039
you know. So that's the theory of science.

720
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:31.440
Right, I'm stick throw to the wall, Steward sticks. But

721
00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:34.239
I think maximum that last part you talked about that,

722
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:38.400
you know, you know, collective unconsciousness or you know, it's

723
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:42.440
something I've been talking about a long time, and uh,

724
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:45.119
you know, I really there could be something to that, right,

725
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:51.599
it's an unintentional effect of you know, of our own biology,

726
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:55.239
you know, our own our own minds. And I mean

727
00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:57.840
there's a lot of things I've talked about even exploring,

728
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:01.159
you know, something similar, like the reason why we react

729
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:04.119
to the sasquatch the way we do is just the

730
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:07.440
you know, maybe our frequency of contact was a lot

731
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:11.559
more common and has become less common as we've gone

732
00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:15.119
through the ages. We're having a visceral or genetic response

733
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:17.840
to DNA, right.

734
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:21.440
And maybe way back when you know, our ancestors would

735
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:24.480
see a saber tooth tiger and that was danger. So

736
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:27.519
with us, it's fight or flight. And well, what happens

737
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:29.920
is you see something that you can identify, you go

738
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:32.519
to the amygdala in the part of the brain, and

739
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:35.239
you try to identify what that is. It's either something

740
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:37.719
a friend or foe, and so you know, it's just

741
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:41.039
like a fraction of a second to make that decision.

742
00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:46.320
But the theories abound. With Jeff Meldrum, who was one

743
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:50.639
of the leading scientists, and you know, I met him

744
00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:53.400
down there in Ocala, had a chance to just briefly

745
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:56.199
shake his hand and thank him for his work. But

746
00:47:57.039 --> 00:47:59.119
he was saying that he was one of the few people,

747
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:01.559
the last people to invited to the table, you know,

748
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:07.920
because of his beliefs. But he believes that Giganto may be,

749
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:10.639
you know, the link. He thinks that, you know, he

750
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:14.760
has a massive collection of the footprints, you know, he's

751
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:19.840
and he's an expert on locomotion and ambulation with with primates.

752
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:25.000
But he believes that it could be Gigantopithecus that could

753
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:28.639
be the connection. And he hangs on to that. And

754
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:32.320
he also says the other one is that because the

755
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:37.639
Sasquatch walk on their bipedal the they walk on two feet,

756
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:41.119
as our ancestors did and as we did. And so

757
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:44.039
he thinks that there's this connection to us with that

758
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:47.360
and not to the animal kingdom. So that's those are

759
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:49.719
the theories he gives us, you know, that they walk

760
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:52.360
like us, and that it may be Giganto that might

761
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:55.840
have crossed over from Asia to the bearing straight to

762
00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:58.880
to North America. But that's not a whole lot. That's

763
00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:00.840
not a whole lot. And I've been reading, I read

764
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:02.280
a lot of his stuff, and I read a lot

765
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:04.199
of his quotes and that and it comes down to

766
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:07.719
those two, those two things. So when we talk about

767
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:11.639
the scientific community, you know, we're looking for them to

768
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:17.559
give us at least some answers and uh, you know, uh,

769
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:19.800
I don't know, I don't I don't know how engaged

770
00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:23.679
they are, you know, you know, certainly they don't offer

771
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:26.519
as much energy and as emotion as we do.

772
00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:28.920
So as I think it's a silliness, they see it

773
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:32.199
as you know, there's you know, something juvenile and silly

774
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:34.719
about us wanting to believe in monsters. But you know,

775
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:39.760
I think that you know, that belief may be silly

776
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:44.079
to them, but it's that silliness and that sense of

777
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:46.760
wonder and awe that has led us to many discoveries.

778
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:50.639
That right, and thanks for that sense of wonder and awe.

779
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:53.239
You know, that's what we need to discover and keep

780
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:56.400
on discovering. I mean, that's what that's what we live for,

781
00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:59.519
you know, that's what we lust for. And uh, and

782
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:00.199
that's part.

783
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:02.400
Of all of this, that's right, That's why we spend

784
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:05.159
billions of dollars to go to the moon, because it's aspirational,

785
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:09.480
gives us something to believe in and hopefully, aside from

786
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:11.039
the day to day. It's no different while we go.

787
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:13.639
You know, maybe that's you know, I always tell people

788
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:15.639
you're the big foot guy. Well, yeah, for me, it

789
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:17.679
beats bowling. That's what I like to do.

790
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:22.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the thing. I called you, mister

791
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:25.119
Sasquatch on my Facebook page.

792
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:28.679
Right, mister John Green. Henry almost spanked me for that one, Henry.

793
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:32.320
Uh So, Henry, we bring you into the conversation here

794
00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:34.559
because you're I promoted you as that you know, all

795
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:37.239
as always, Henry and I have been doing this maxim

796
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:39.880
since two thousand and five, two thousand and six, Yeah,

797
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:43.079
podcasting on big Foot. And I told you I'd put

798
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:44.800
Henry's knowledge up to anybody.

799
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:45.559
Uh.

800
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:48.440
You know, Henry very immersed in the Four Horsemen, and

801
00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:51.079
you've dedicated your book to the four Yeah exactly. Yeah,

802
00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:54.760
and so I'm sure you probably feel some sort of

803
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:56.639
pool or gravity towards.

804
00:50:56.320 --> 00:50:59.320
Them, well, just an affinity. I mean, look what they were,

805
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:02.880
the pioneers, what they did before the age of technology.

806
00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:07.280
I mean it was old fashioned investigative reporting, talking to

807
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:11.280
people that saw sasquatch, you know, writing it down, traveling.

808
00:51:11.679 --> 00:51:15.119
I mean John Green being the one who was able

809
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:20.679
to go and talk about the Pacific, the Canadian indigenous

810
00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:27.159
people and their belief in Sasquatch and interviewing Albert Osman

811
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:30.559
and all that. The one that's really interesting too is

812
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:36.400
Peter Byrne, who was commissioned by Tom Slick to go

813
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.440
over to the Himalayas looking for Yeti and going to

814
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:42.880
the Pacific Northwest looking for Bigfoot. And there was going

815
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.800
to be a movie, a motion picture about Tom Slick.

816
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:49.400
Nicholas Cage was going to play him. And Tom Slick,

817
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:53.960
of course was the multi millionaire businessman from Texas, an

818
00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:57.559
innovator and an interesting dude, but he really was into

819
00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:01.800
cryptozoology and he funded that. Uh Peter Byrne, you know,

820
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:06.199
one of the four horsemen of sasquatries and women.

821
00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:08.880
Yeah, that's true.

822
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:11.679
He had an affinity to women, so did Peter Burn.

823
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:14.840
Okay, okay, I'm.

824
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:15.840
Not saying that's a bad thing.

825
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:16.440
I'm not.

826
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:19.480
I'm just saying that, you know, they were. It was

827
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:22.840
that time, right, and uh, you know that as a

828
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:25.320
hell of a history and story behind that guy. You know,

829
00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:28.320
you have this man who has lots of money, who

830
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:31.400
has no qualms in spending it to send people to

831
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:36.320
the Himalias send him to the Pacific Northwest, although I

832
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:39.880
probably hadn't had that money, would have been more engaged

833
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:43.719
myself in the Pacific Northwest. I'm not built for the Himalias,

834
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:46.039
but you know, like out there, I could have done okay.

835
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:48.800
And that's the one that kind of fell off the

836
00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:50.320
rails the most.

837
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:55.719
I do have a question from Maxim. Do you explore

838
00:52:56.000 --> 00:53:00.360
the CIA. Suppose it's CIA connection that slick and Peter

839
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:02.920
Byrn's supposedly hand in your book.

840
00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:06.280
No, I don't talk about that. The one. The only

841
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:08.559
thing that comes even close to that is I talk

842
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:14.280
a bit when Peter Burns sent uh DNA samples to

843
00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:16.840
the FBI, and he asked the FBI to go and

844
00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:20.599
determine what they were, and they did it as a favor.

845
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:22.760
But what they came up with was they said it

846
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:27.119
was it was animal, maybe bear, and some other things.

847
00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:29.960
But that was Peter Burn's connection with the FBI. But

848
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:33.079
I don't have anything about the CIA there, And not

849
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:35.679
that I'm not a big fan of the CIA, but

850
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:42.239
right so, and and again, I think your listeners know that,

851
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:44.719
you know, we have the United States of America and

852
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:47.599
then we have groups like the CIA, and the FBI,

853
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:50.840
and god knows what other black ops in the apartment.

854
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:55.159
Yeah so, and I don't know what they do. But

855
00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:59.840
you know, I think David Grush during the twenty twenty

856
00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:04.079
three Recongressional UFFO hearings was talking about the black budget

857
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:06.039
and all you got to do is fall if you're

858
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:09.119
into finances, follow with that money. Just follow the money,

859
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:11.280
see where the money's going. Who's getting this you know,

860
00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:15.320
I mean, what's this unknown organization? And the Pentagon keeps

861
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:18.679
on changing the names of all these groups. But who's

862
00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:21.000
the organization that's getting this money? And what are they

863
00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:23.599
doing with this money? And you know, we don't know.

864
00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:26.199
I mean, I don't, right. And one of the things

865
00:54:26.199 --> 00:54:28.320
that you know, we've talked about time and time again

866
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:31.239
is is there We did a whole show on it.

867
00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:34.679
Is there a government cover up regarding Bigfoot? And you know,

868
00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:38.400
maximum we've come up with is that while it may

869
00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:40.440
not be a cover up per se, there sure are

870
00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:42.920
a lot of economical reasons why they would like to

871
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:46.840
keep Sasquatch a secret. When you think about the billions

872
00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:50.159
of dollars it would cost us across several different industries.

873
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:55.760
Discovering that we had an undocumented, potentially endangered ape with

874
00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:57.800
an unlimited range in North America.

875
00:54:58.119 --> 00:54:58.320
Yeah.

876
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:01.199
Man, with the laws we have, doesn't mean they follow them.

877
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:04.679
Industry would sure crawl to a halt and uh some

878
00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:07.239
of these money generating mechanisms.

879
00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:08.960
Yeah, yeah, good point, good point.

880
00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:18.119
Yeah, yep, and there we are. Yeah, any final thoughts

881
00:55:18.159 --> 00:55:20.760
Maxim for us as we're wrapping up here, My god,

882
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:24.280
we're almost at the almost at the top of fast Yeah.

883
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:26.840
Well, just a couple of things. One, you know, I

884
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:30.719
will just take a look at uh, the Lost Tribes

885
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:33.559
of Bigfoot. It's on hanger one, and I'm really proud

886
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:37.679
of the book. I think it's well uh researched, well written.

887
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:39.719
I you know, I think it's a it's a good read,

888
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:43.840
and I would call it uh uh not only commercial

889
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:46.960
in the mainstream, but also academic. So you know, I

890
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:51.119
wanted to do a good job for the the Sasquatch community.

891
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:53.960
So it's called The Lost Tribes of Bigfoot, and it's

892
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:58.440
on Amazon and all the other places. I'm hoping to

893
00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:01.679
do a couple of signings in the northeastern Pennsylvania area.

894
00:56:03.079 --> 00:56:06.360
What else the uh It's available on Amazon and all

895
00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:08.800
the other places where you buy your books. But I

896
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:10.519
do want to say in closing that this is just

897
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:13.760
a great forum. I really appreciate this. It was just

898
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:15.679
so nice to be able to go and share ideas

899
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:18.199
with all of you guys, and you know, and it's

900
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:20.840
like we appreciate you know. All we need is need

901
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:21.920
is a couple of beers, you know.

902
00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:26.199
I mean, well, you've got the show and welcome back,

903
00:56:26.920 --> 00:56:30.199
and we'll all, you know, get together and have lunch together.

904
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:35.000
Yeah, we'll do that. Yeah, Well, thank you so much,

905
00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:38.119
and uh, you know, hopefully we see you again. And uh,

906
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:39.719
and we'll see what happens with the book. You know,

907
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:42.719
the book just dropped, you know, just just just yesterday.

908
00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:44.280
So I mean, I just got my first book today,

909
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:47.199
So we'll see what happens. But like I said, it's

910
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:48.239
just a great Uh.

911
00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:54.840
Get a copy folks, the available now. I've I picked

912
00:56:54.880 --> 00:56:56.840
mine up yesterday. As I said at the beginning of

913
00:56:56.840 --> 00:56:59.599
the show on kindle, buy the paperback at yourself, a

914
00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:02.480
physical copy and read it and let us know what

915
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:04.880
you think. And of course, as always when you're listening

916
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:07.960
to the show, rate us and review us. That's how

917
00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:09.920
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918
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:13.760
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919
00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:18.400
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920
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:20.719
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921
00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:23.800
to put a little quality into what we do. We

922
00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:26.000
thank you so much for joining us. Folks, Henry take

923
00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:27.679
us out with those dulcet tones.

924
00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:31.320
You'll be good or be good, folks.

925
00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:33.760
We'll see you next week. Keep on squatching.

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