EP 107: Skeptically Speaking

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is advised. We got someone or
something crawling around out here? Does a

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legend walk among us working in the
forests of our world? Did you see

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what it was? Was it a
person or an animal? Or I can't

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go Oh, I know as if
my thunder light came on and I hear

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happened to glen and see this thing
running across the yard, a good fight

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man or something works like a man. I don't know what it was.

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For over fifteen years, we've talked
with scientists, researchers, investigators, and

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witnesses trying to gain insight and truth
around the existence of this mysterious entity.

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Jesus quite ar pel, Hello,
get somebody out here. What's going to

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announce there? That's got a mention
about six foot nine? I don't know

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eas he announced there? Yeah,
I'm working right Ay, Oh, okay,

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hand on her? Yeah, got
he's big? Okay, what's he

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doing in your yard? We're gonna
do join us as we continue into the

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investigation of the Sasquatch Experience. No, no, no, not all thy

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giving everyone. Welcome to the Sasquatch
Experience. I'm shot. I'm shot in

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the fork chop forker. That's vance
Nesbitt, that's Henry May, James Baker

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down to the bottom, and Matt
Arner rounding out our crew. And tonight,

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as you can see episode one hundred
and seven, skeptically speaking, we're

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gonna take the skeptical position tonight,
folks. No, you don't need the

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Kama Sutra for that one, but
we're going to talk about gonna give a

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view, but you may learn one. That's that's foul and folks. That's

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James Baker. Good evening, everybody, and welcome to the show. Guys.

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It's been a couple of weeks.
How the hell are you good?

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You're good? Birthday, I saw
dinosaurs. Henry didn't die by by hurricane

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or tornado or southern disaster. Henry, what were you saying? You you

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were going to say something there and
Baker stepped on you big. It's been

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cooler here lately. Yeah, that's
nice for the residents of Mississippi. Mm

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hm. And it's good that you're
here with us. Tonight, very nice.

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We are having a little issue.
I'll say it. It's on my

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end with whatever's going on with the
Internet. It's affecting me, which will

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affect the other house. So I
apologize in advance, but we will press

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on. Guys. Just a few
housekeeping notes. We got a hell of

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a lot of events coming up in
the next couple weeks. For instance,

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this weekend, believe it or not, Pokatella, Idaho, July twenty sixth

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to the twenty seventh sasquatchprints dot com
presents the Bigfoot Rendezvous. Go to squatchprints

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dot com or call two zero eight
two five one two zero zero five for

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tickets and information. Great speakers such
as doctor Jeff Meldrum, Mark Marcel from

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the Ape Canyon and more. Thirty
bucks is two days and it's a great

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event coming up. Again, like
I said, this weekend, Pokatella,

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Idaho Vance, anything you want to
add on that, because I know you've

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been promoting it pretty heavy. No, I've got promotions coming up on our

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news break, so and uh,
you know, we'll just pat Eric Altman

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on the back and keep that one
going absolutely. And then of course we

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are just a couple weeks away from
the second annual Central Pennsylvania Bigfoot and Cryptid

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Festival. Festival held on August third
in Elysburg, Pennsylvania Memorial Park Avenue with

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many vendors and speakers. The festival's
free speakers are ten dollars and it's limited

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to two hundred and fifty tickets.
Get them today. Go to Central Pa

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Bigfoot dot com, Orgott Knockers dot
org for more information. And I'm understanding

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Dvancegott Knockers dot org is back up
and running. Yay for the show?

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Yeay, Oh, it's been something
else. I'm sorry I got a little

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bit of a pause there because I
just used a great amount of wind to

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promote these events. But guys,
you want to prevent you want to promote

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your event on our show, Email
us info at Sasquatch Experience dot com Vance

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and I'll make sure they get hit
to the air. Matt, how have

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you been. You've been the one
that's been a little bit more absent than

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most. You've been out and about
doing things. How's life treating your brother?

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It's treating me pretty good. Yeah, I've been trying to get up

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the mountains. We were just up
in Elk County over the weekend for the

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yard sale, and we were trying
to trying to get some uh, you

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know, people to talk about bigfoot
up there. But a lot of people

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though, were just tight lipped.
Right now so right now is not the

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best time to be trouncing in the
woods up there, thanks to all the

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rattlesnakes and everything else that are going
on up there. But but you know,

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we're going to be out in the
woods very soon, so look forward

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to it, Steve. We don't
condone anybody missing weddings, but as Baker

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says, maybe you'll catch the next
one. You know, that's optimism right

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there from James Baker. Folks,
he's here all week. Tip your waitress.

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But we've got a great show planned
for you guys today. As I

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said at the top, we are
j Michael in the house as well.

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Jay, how you doing, our
friend and go check out the Jay Michael

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Show on YouTube and Facebook and everywhere
else. I was a guest on there.

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It's good program. Jay has been
broadcasting longer than I've been on Planet

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Earth, and he actually had an
interview with one of my favorite actors,

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Peter Jurassic on the program. So
go take a listen to the Jay Michael

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Show on Facebook YouTube wherever you can
stream. He's there. Like us,

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we're streaming everywhere. Yeah, we're
streaming, all right. So guys,

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this is what spurred the interest in
this converse. For me, I've been

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kind of Facebook lurking a lot lately, just going through the different and we've

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got Lori, our good Patreon supporter, Lourie. Thanks for joining us love

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if we appreciate you being here.
I've been trolling around on the Facebook groups

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and we the Bigfoot community in a
whole, really getting slammed for our lack

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of skepticism. And I think we've
all had this conversation with one another about

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how, at times it appears the
inmates are running the asylum, that we

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could use a dose of skepticism and
critical thinking. And it's getting to the

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point now where you know, we're
not having a lot of allies out there

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across the aisle, and you know, this isn't even a political game.

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This is a Bigfoot game. But
we can't just seem to get people to,

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you know, think a little harder
about not just the existence of Bigfoot,

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but evidence, photographs, videos.
They're not going out and doing critical

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thinking. They're not going out and
chasing down and seeing if anybody's talked about

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this stuff before. You know,
there's videos that have been popping up.

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I was talking to Matt Nappy and
from Bigfoot cross Roads. He and I

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had a, you know, a
very long conversation about people not even just

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doing the basic legwork to determine the
validity of a photograph or video that you

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could tell is not recent, but
they've done no historical research on it,

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right, and so they prop up
and have these arguments, and we spend

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time arguing with asshole and idiots who
think it's the next great thing to the

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Patterson Gimlet film. And the fact
of the matter is because we're the old

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head and Henry's laughing because you know, because we've probably been part of the

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people that have debunked it over the
last twenty years. You know, we

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know it's not real. However,
it's not stopping this wave of maybe it's

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it's an enthusiasm, a blind enthusiasm
that's just promoting every piece of Bigfoot uh

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paraphernalia just popping up on the internet. It's true, there is a there

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is a photo that's that's come up
again, which has been debunked in the

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past, but yet it still comes
back up. It's supposed to be a

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baby Bigfoot photo. It looks like
a stuffed doll. Is it a stuff

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doll? Most likely it is a
stuffed doll. We got our friend Jeff

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Thomas posting in the chat Jeffrey R. Thomas. Of course you can go

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check him out also on Facebook.
I'm a shameless show, folks. If

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we've got our famous friends in here
popping in, I'm gonna promote them because

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I want to bring up Jeff Thomas
after the news break. Okay, he's

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gonna have to stick around for that. But going on what you just said,

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Henry, Uh, there's again.
Okay, I don't have the picture

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here, but there is one that
this is one of the best photographs of

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Bigfoot ever. And it looks like
it's sitting with its back to the camera,

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leaning on one arm, sitting on
the ground. What I clearly see.

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No, that's not what that is. That's a bear itching its neck

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with its butt in the air,
and you see its hind leg, assuming

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it's an arm, that is a
bear. But you know, there we

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go again. No, this is
the best. Please is don't call it

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the best until there's a definitive evidence
that it is the best, and it's

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not. Ill, go ahead,
bake elga. I think the big problem,

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and this is the conversation I have
all the time, is people go

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out in the woods and they see
these things and they must assess it is

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that one thing, and they focus
on what it has to be, what

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the evidence proves right. And I've
always said that I believe the stories people

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give me unless they start bloating the
story. Like I was at the Mothman

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presentation. We just talked about Jeffrey
Thomas when he's explained to me about his

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sighting and he's up on stage explaining
he doesn't add fifty items to it.

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He's like, I think I saw
something. I'm not one hundred percent sure

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what it was. If I would
have been not alone and that somebody could

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have told somebody where I was or
made sure that I got back, I

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would have ran after this thing.
But he didn't say I clearly saw this

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thing, and then an alien came
down and we almost had a baby that

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you know, you know, But
here's the thing. Is like, if

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you listen to the people like the
one thing I hate the word is experts

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because if you talk to the people
that I respect, and I always respect

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people like Lauren Coleman, I know
I get crap for that, but Jeff

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Meldrum, I respect Cliff bare because
when I've talked to the people, I

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respect Sean. You know, when
I talk to the people, Oh my

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god, is that Chaka? Is
that Chaka? That's that's the that's the

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baby photo lost Chaka. Just let
it go, man. But the people

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that the people that I talked to
at all all these conferences at different spots,

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never say they're experts, say that
they're learning about something, and they

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even admit, you know, I've
had conversations and they even admit that they

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understand that fifty percent of what they're
talking about is guessing and myth. Okay,

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they're never they're not saying I'm one
hundred percent sure this track is this?

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Even like I respect Eric Eric founder
really nice tracks. But even him

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at the bottom, he said,
you know, this has all the telltale

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signs, but I want to make
sure before I say I've put one hundred

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percent of my basket and this must
be this right, you know, And

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those kind of people I respect compared
to the one that's like, oh,

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no, it comes over every Tuesday
and we have pie. No it doesn't

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s Yeah, there are no experts
on a thing that doesn't you can't touch,

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you know, right, They're they're
experts. There are experts in primatology.

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There's experts in in biology ecology.
Uh, those are experts that help

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us in the field. Uh.
But there's no one here and no one

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on earth right now that you can
say is a Bigfoot expert. Uh.

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You know, the closest thing you
have is you have you know, like

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doctor Jeff is studying you know,
the anthropology with the with the locomotion of

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primates, and that includes a big
spectrum of animals. Again primatology could it

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does include that. But to say
that you're an expert something that has yet

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to be proven to exist is a
fallacy. At this point, you have

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people lending their expertise and the field
of study to a subject for scientific purposes,

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right, Like, And that's the
differentiator. And so when I start

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seeing the terms like expert and listen, we've all been on different podcasts where

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the host or the promotional people have
promoted a Bigfoot expert, Like I can

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assure you none of us put that
in our bios and we're putting that out

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to people to shop around for gigs. It's just something that was, you

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know, something done to attract interest. Thing right. It is half the

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headlines for bigfoot shows or cla clickbait
clickbait now and it's just not something that

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you know, I want to partake
in and participate in. Kasu Ninja says,

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if there was a Jane Goodall equivalent
in a big foot field, then

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maybe right. And you know that's
the problem we do lack, but we

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lack a body for one, right. And I think when you start looking

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into the skeptical argument, you know
there is an importance to skepticism. You

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know it. You know it helps
advance the knowledge, It challenges assumptions that

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are made. It really makes us, you know, push harder to collect

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better evidence and think critically. But
do you not think there's also a a

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subset of skeptics that are just as
worse as true believers, yet they're just

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so based off their dogma that they
won't concede the point. And I'll tell

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you I've seen this. I'll see
I've seen this firsthand. Over the weekend

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and uh, you know, for
a lot of groups out there that promote

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the skepticism and they talk about you
know, you know, there's a lot

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of ad hominine attacks that happen to
the people that are making these claims on

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the on the collective whole of the
research. You know, they can't even

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make an argument without making it a
physical attack. Bigfooters are fat and stupid.

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Well, some of us are fat. We like to eat and we

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like to take a goat trip,
that's right. But some bitch you call

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me stupid, I'll kick you in
the nuts because I, uh, you'll

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see how quick I can lift my
fat ass to kick you in the nuts.

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Uh. So, you know,
just be careful, Like I really

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think that that's the fallacy. Like
to me, I would be more inclined

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to want to talk to skeptics if
they could do it without the vitrol,

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right right. And you know what
a lot of times, Sean, I've

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noticed because I out look, I
have conversations just with general public. Not

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that I do this twenty four to
seven, but I'll have a conversation and

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I get a skeptic. I learn
a lot from the skeptic because they'll throw

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me a couple of ideas, going
wow, I really never thought of that

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aspect of it before. A lot
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body, there's no evidence, and
nobody's found one yet. I get that

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that's that's just kind of the dome
covering the entire subject, but some people

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have brought up some really interesting points. I'm like, well, I never

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thought of that before, and this
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important in this entire field and research
and the discussion that we're having in the

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arena of ideas. So what I
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I know that I come off as
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I'm not. My big concern is
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that there was a certain kind of
bear that a cleft toe, and only

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one and three hundred bears had that
cleft toe, and it left a specific

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print that we've been looking at for
years, okay, and it had it

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walked a little bit more on its
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structure was, okay, and then
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existed and we could see it now, if somebody's been following some of the

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researchers, you know, they always
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there's one softquatch. You know.
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know. But if you think about
it is then you could look at you

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could say, Okay, this could
be this, or this couldn't be that.

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go through it with Matt, and
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his head, going Okay, this
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I know are in the direct area. Yeah, these are the animals that

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it could be. These are the
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he's going to break it down to
the most core part to see what it

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could be or couldn't be. And
then maybe he'll call me and go,

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hey, what do you think?
And I'll go, well, did you

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ask these critical questions too? Or
he'll call Sean Okay. But the thing

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is it's not I think. Where
we get fighting, and we always get

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fighting, especially in communities as they
are, is when someone attacks the possibility

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of your evidence, you take it
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Like I've never attacked anybody on there, on them personally. I've looked at

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what they showed me, and then
I told them to stop circling pieces of

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paper. Okay, you know,
but you and you make a valid point

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there. But because it also to
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the accept of accept of evidence is. And then when someone brings us evidence

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that's just not good enough and we
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it becomes the or you don't like
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it's just garbage and I'm stupid.
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said is that this particular evidence that
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enough. Does that sting? Absolutely? But does that make it untrue?

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It makes it, you know, a

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fallacy of the scientific process when we're
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we feel it's evidence, not that
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to actually do something with. We
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hundred impressions that we find in the
ground. Matt and I, Matt,

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you and I were out in the
woods up and we started seeing impressions and

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we followed the impressions all the way
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said, you know what has now
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a footprints. And our conclusion was
this is a bear, yes, and

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it's a pretty nice size one.
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at the beginning and said, oh
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yep, because that's what we wanted
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anything else. They have to be
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these We don't follow the footprints.
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that we see. And if we
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to the conclusion where they stopped,
we got to the answer just by following

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you know, basic principles. Here
here following the eel brick road. You

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know, we just had a black
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can guarantee at some point that's going
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big foot report of tracks in central
Illinois. And here there's you know,

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uh, the camera traps and the
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they're not common in central Illinois.
But you I can guarantee it's gonna

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happen. Somebody is going to file
a report, and I'm going to keep

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my eyes completely peeled and say,
yeah, let's go back to the whole

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bear thing. That's a good point, you know, And I think I

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think, like I said, is
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line is look at what you know. You can't be gun ho on both

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sides. You have to. Science
requires skeptics because otherwise we would be testing

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harmful things on us all the time
to try to cure some disease and cause

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six other ones. Right, you
got to have a you got to have

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somebody else that goes, no,
dude, that won't work. You know,

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Hey, let's not let's not shoot
heroin into your system and say that'll

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fix cancer. Yeah, let's not
do that. Okay, let's just not

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not make funny, you know,
treatment a little bit more enjoyable. But

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But but you think about it is
you always have to have a secondary

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group. The one thing I don't
like about is, and Sean kind of

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brought it up, was is the
true believers in the skeptics. If you

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believe so much then believe. That's
fine. If I don't think you don't

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think my evidence is good enough,
that's fine, then walk away. If

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I think that Bigfoot was never real
and it's imaginary and everybody's crazy, then

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I need to walk away and let
you guys do your own thing. Hey,

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you're the one spending the money on
trinkets of crap. I can go

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over and go, you know,
go do something else. But it's the

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ones that are variantly like show up
at like Ohio Bigfoot and go, oh,

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you know why I'm here? This
is so stupid. You guys are

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idiots. You know what, you
paid one hundred and thirty dollars to give

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me an opinion. I don't e
f and care about. You know.

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It's like these people they go.
It's like the people go to rallies and

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go I hate you, or go
to some person's concert that they hate.

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I'll take two hundred and twenty five
dollars till Taylor Swift she sucked my whatever.

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I'm like, so you pack two
hundred and twenty five dollars for her

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to her later on, she's gonna
be, you know, eating lobster and

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hanging out on your two hundred and
twenty five dollars so you could maybe get

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a chance to argue with the great
one that you hate. You waste a

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lot of time, folks, if
you're listening, we are accepting Patreon support

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and our earnings for as little as
two dollars a month. We can send

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James Baker to a Taylor Swift.
She will never forget it. I'll swiftly

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that right. Man. We do
fel like in Palestine, Ohio, oh

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ooh. But you know what I
think. Though I I've had my own

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experiences that have allowed me to craft
my viewpoint, I'm still very skeptical about

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most of what's fed to me or
positioned to me. And what I get

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irritated about is this constant, this
noodling or needling from skeptics and say we're

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not skeptical enough. And I just
totally disagree with that. And so like

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when we're talking about some of these
things, we've been advocates for a long

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time for the standard of evidence to
be better and for us to be more

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selective and to educate ourselves to collect
better evidence. We just need folks to

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join us from that other side of
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Right, you know, instead of
shooting your mouth off, why don't you

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be part of the solution, said
part of the problem, right, volunteer

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your time and services. Can I
interject just a real quick question to the

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to the panel here, do you
think for each day that goes by in

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two weeks from now is going to
be a little bit different that? You

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know, actual sighting reports become more
minimal only because of the fact of our

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expansion into these areas and into the
research where maybe if the creature is real,

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is becoming more and more and more
elusive till it's an extinct being at

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some point it can only be so
elusive. And to the point Baker says,

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either it's incredibly smart as abilities that
we aren't able to comprehend or detect,

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or it doesn't exist, right,
And that's a sad realization. Okay,

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but you know Baker has said that
for years. Yeah, and I

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and I agree with the statement that
we've been using quite a bit lately.

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Uh, think Bigfoot last, mm
hmmm mm hmm. What were you thinking

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about it? I thought Henry was
gonna talk. I didn't want to.

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Well, that's the thing I can't
take credit for. Think Bigfoot last Shelley

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coming to Montana came up with that. I'm just telling him, Oh,

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well, I'm so mad here.
Let's keep talking, Henry, Well,

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I get no, but but yeah, that's that's the thing. You have

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to think, Bigfoot last. You
can't go out and say, well,

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this track is made obviously made by
a sasquatch. You have to cast it,

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photograph it and send the cast off
if you can, or make a

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copy of it. Send it doctor
Melder and see what he thinks. Right,

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Scott posts it was Amy Boo herself
described as a hopeful skeptic during a

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presentation, and think of what she's
doing in the field. It's a really

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good point, guy, you Ninja. Should we call it evidence though,

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or data? And that's a good
point. We probably should call it data

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until it's sufficient enough where we could
decide it's evidence or somebody decides that it's

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evidence quality. J Michael, you
have to be skeptical towards your own experience.

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One. I agree with that to
no end. I think when we

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start, when we stop processing and
questioning what we experienced, we go into

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that danger zone of true believer.
And I call that a danger zone because

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a true believer the tendency is to
stop critically thinking and that everything in anything

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is bigfoot and that's not the case. And nine times out of ten,

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that becomes where we spend the majority
of our time focusing on that bullshit as

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opposed to that one percent we need
to be out you know that we could

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be missing real data right because we're
spending time arguing about stuff that we just

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know, you know, wanting to
believe something in it being in existence are

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two distinctly different things. And I
just we we have to we have to

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be smarter than this, and we
have to start coming up with some standards.

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the NAWAK, you know, the
Olympic Project, you know what We're going

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to be launching up here in Pennsylvania, Matt with you know, Darby Orcutt.

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of people involved in this endeavor now

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that are really trying to come up
with a new standard. Doug Hichick.

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When Legend Meet Science two comes out, there's going to be a whole new

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a whole new ways to collect collect
this data, collect these samples. That's

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just going to be marvelous things that
we didn't have ten years ago that how

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many of us have taken that time
to grow and learn ourselves to be able

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to understand and collect and do this
this new type of evidence collection, right,

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down to, is you're going to

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have to you know, because we've
had how many conversations with people that they've

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spent months, weeks, years in
a certain location because they thought they saw

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something. And then you you,
they show you this bag of evidence,

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and you don't want to hurt their
feelings because it is their baby. You

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call it whatever you want, but
it's there. It's there. They've been

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believing this for years. They're hyped
up, they're excited to show you,

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you know, and then you go, well, dude, that's a dog

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hare and by the way, that's
a circle and a tree stump. You

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know, you've been wasting three years
of your life when you know maybe you

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could look somewhere else, you know, and I can see where it hurts

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people. But sometimes sometimes, unfortunately
in life, somebody has to explain to

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you that you're wasting your time.
And it does. You don't have to

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be mean about it, but at
the same time, you've got to be

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realistic, or at least what you've
got to do is say that's really nice,

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bless your heart, and then move
on to somebody else. You know

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that way, then you're not wasting
your time with that. We're going to

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take our break here real quick,
guys, but kaiji ninja. Once again,

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I think there would be less skeptics
if more new data were presented,

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not the same stuff such as footprints, hair, audio, et cetera.

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We can call that data, but
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and deactly that's I think that's the
bottom line on that. We're gonna take

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our mid show break here. Folks. Stick around. You're listening to the

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We'll see in just a few on
those folks. Stay care. Like,

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one thing I've never understood is like
the foot fetish, Like, are

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you guys together right here? Yeah? Pelling you guys been together five years?

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Wow? Do you ever suck on
her feet? Now? Would you

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if you had a different girlfriend?
Ah? Yes, you know. I

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think it might be a cool idea
to have a little subgroup here at the

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Sasquatch Experience called the Foot Fetish.
Maybe that'll be our movie night name the

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Foot Fetish is gonna watch a movie. Sean's over here smacking himself in the

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head. It's my show, dude. Stop making stuff up. Anyway,

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Happy Monday Night to you all.
I hope you're having an enriched Monday Night.

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was going through certain newspapers to find

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articles, and hey, I came
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week and the headline reads, terrified
teens spot bigfoot with glowing eyes in a

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Louisiana forest. Call nine to one
one for rescue now. The article goes

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on to say a group of terrified
teenagers called police in a panic after they

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claimed they ran into a growling,
Bigfoot like creature with glowing eyes. Officials

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said the recent high school graduates from
Huma in southern Louisiana were camping in the

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Kisachi National Fest. Kasachi National Force
is about one hundred miles northwest of Baton

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Rouge when they reported a chilling encounter
last week. According to the knacka dish

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these big words, boy, I'm
telling you nak a dish perish Sheriff's office,

405
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:24.800
they recalled seeing a large animal that
resembled bigfoot shortly after they set up

406
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:30.719
camp about a mile and a half
off the Backbone Trail in southern Nakadish Parish.

407
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:37.320
According to police, around nine twenty
pm on June twenty eighth, one

408
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:43.239
member of the group, who were
all seventeen and eighteen years old, called

409
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:47.239
nine one one after they reportedly hurt
a growl and saw what appeared to be

410
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:52.880
an animal that had glowing eyes and
stood about five feet tall. According to

411
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:59.280
the Sheriff's office, deputies responded to
the scene and walked to the camp site.

412
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:04.880
Vigilant for any mythological creatures. They
followed the sound of the teen's whistles

413
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:09.480
to the campsite and found the teens
frightened but unharmed, and they were safely

414
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:16.320
escorted out of the forest by deputies. Despite a thorough investigation, deputies were

415
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:23.960
unable to locate any suspicious activity involving
a growling creature with glowing eyes standing five

416
00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:30.039
feet tall. This is not the
first bigfoot sighting in the Kasachi National Forests.

417
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:36.559
Two self proclaimed bigfoot researchers, who
only provided their names as tax Law

418
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:43.159
and Claude to avoid ridicule, claimed
in twenty nineteen, they had a visual

419
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:50.960
and audio evidence of the Cryptid's existence
in the dense six hundred thousand acre woods.

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the Bigfoot Bullhorn right here on the
Sasquatch Experience, and as always, until

442
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we meet again, keep your toes
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using the Foot fetish as any type
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folks, welcome back Sasquad Experience on
Hooker Vance Nez but Henry May,

445
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.719
James Baker and Matt Arner as we've
been talking about here, at least for

446
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:32.000
the last about twenty minutes, we
have been talking about the skeptical viewpoint right,

447
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:37.440
skeptically speaking, and how we need
to inject a little bit more skepticism

448
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:42.320
into what we're doing. But I
think again we have to reiterate we're not

449
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:49.480
talking about those uh, you know, dogmatic you know naysayers. It's you

450
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:52.880
know, we want people to really
truly embrace the skepticism for what it is

451
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:59.880
and the spirit of skepticism, which
is respectfully challenging and critiquing, adding input

452
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:06.719
and you know, disproving assumptions,
not the you know, ad hominine attacks

453
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:14.960
and the you know, just agnant
positions they take where those the firm positions

454
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:19.440
where it just cannot be. Because
I say so, I think that takes

455
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:23.519
just as much evidence as us,
you know, trying to prove his existence.

456
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:28.639
And then again you have the true
believers. While we were on our

457
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:30.840
little news break there, just catching
up with some comments, J Michael,

458
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:35.639
I know what I saw, but
there's no way I can translate that experience

459
00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:39.079
to It's actually a good segue into
our next topic. Carleen says, I

460
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:43.920
think it's the same for everything.
A skeptic as a future believer who still

461
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:47.199
needs to have their questions answered or
needs to see more evidence. I don't

462
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:52.880
want to say a future believer,
but as somebody I think who maybe has

463
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:59.960
the potential to be encouraged and have
their mind changed, have their mind changed

464
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.599
by the evidence. Right. So, all very good comments there, but

465
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:07.559
as Jay says, it's hard for
him to translate his experience. Again,

466
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:13.239
we look at one of the things
we tote as the one of the principal

467
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:16.840
foundations on the existence of bigfoot guys, eyewitness accounts, And Matt, I

468
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:21.920
really want your input on this because
you have a law enforcement background, but

469
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:27.559
often cited as evidence, but they
are accounts are not reliable and therefore not

470
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:34.119
scientifically scientifically convincing. Human perception is
easily fooled, so it's difficult to rely

471
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:37.719
on what people say they see,
especially if they already have belief. So

472
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:43.199
you're influencing your own, uh,
you know, mind of what you've seen.

473
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:47.039
But you know, then again,
when we look at this, you

474
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:50.840
know, and Matt, I'll let
you give you a few viewpoint. We

475
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:54.760
rely on eye witness testimony a lot
in our legal system. We do,

476
00:41:55.079 --> 00:42:06.559
so how do we translate that to
some workable, uh, workable piece of

477
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:12.119
data collection and science. Well,
if you have an eye witness for a

478
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:15.599
crime, the first thing that you
need to to you know, to show

479
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:22.199
is a crime did actually occur.
So, uh, the the mini mart

480
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:28.119
was robbed, you can you know, you can show that the mini mart

481
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:35.760
was was robbed. There's a Mini
mark store and that the person that that

482
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:39.079
went in, you know, we
have an eyewitness that can identify that person.

483
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:45.320
For the most part, it's a
you know, you can say that

484
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:49.559
we are all human beings, so
that we exist. So we know that

485
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.360
a, you know, at the
store was robbed and b it was a

486
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:58.039
human being. For the most part, I've seen some weird things happen,

487
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:04.079
especially if you're down in Tennessee.
I saw bears breaking into cars. But

488
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:08.360
anyways, you can say that a
person, you know was that it was

489
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:15.280
the you know, person responsible,
that suspect, and I'm able to identify

490
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:23.280
that that person with the sasquatch.
We don't know that it exists completely.

491
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:30.280
We have these eyewitnesses that are coming
forward. They're giving excellent, the very

492
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:37.000
detailed descriptions on what they saw.
We're interviewing these people. I'm training in

493
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:45.920
interviewing interrogation. I'm training the read
method of interviewing. I'm very apt on

494
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:52.360
finding deceptive behavior, and I have
seen that in a few eyewitness encounters,

495
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:54.760
but there are some that I have
not. You know, I did not

496
00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:58.880
see that this person was telling the
truth. Now, the one thing is,

497
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:04.159
again you're looking for reception. You
know, could have been a bear

498
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:09.639
walking on its hind legs. That
the person saw something large, hairy that

499
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:15.559
was walking on two legs, that
was about seven feet tall. That's always

500
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:22.079
possibility. And they but if they're
giving a detailed description and they're not showing

501
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:25.360
these deceptive behaviors and they're saying,
listen, this thing had a cone shaped

502
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:32.039
head. It had shoulders, you
know, in a chest that was that

503
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:37.840
had to be you know, at
least sixty inches around, if not more.

504
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.199
You know, it had arms that
that went down, you know,

505
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:44.679
past the knees. I was able
to see a face. You know,

506
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:46.760
I didn't see a snout. I
saw, I saw a flattened nose.

507
00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:51.880
I saw you know, the green
skin. I saw eyes that you know

508
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.519
are in pretty much the same area
that we are. It's things like that

509
00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:00.679
that really, you know, open
up our mind as to you know,

510
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:06.000
there must be something strange out there
in the woods that people are seeing.

511
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:10.800
Again, we have the proof on
it. Right now, real quick.

512
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:14.199
I don't mean to step on you, but I want to get this thought

513
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:19.760
because we're still on this topic.
Do you find that when you have a

514
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:24.679
witness that has so much detail that
it's actually concerning, that it raises doubt

515
00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:29.360
and credibility to you when somebody just
seems, you know what, man,

516
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:34.480
they either really had the best you
know, ability to digest and take an

517
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:38.559
information so quickly, or they're really
making some they're filling in their own blanks

518
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:45.079
making well. It's interesting because usually
when people have these encounters who are not

519
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:52.960
the you know there usually a lot
of witnesses have some sort of trauma I'm

520
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:57.840
connected to seeing something like this because
they're not expecting to see a seven foot

521
00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:00.519
harry creature across the road in front
of them, we're or uh you know,

522
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:04.679
walk behind them when they're hiking into
woods. So so there's there's some

523
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.280
trauma. And usually when there's trauma, what we found is a lot of

524
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:14.960
times with victims or witnesses, they
will occasionally not remember you know, a

525
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:20.320
specific uh you know, identifiers,
you know, with uh say, with

526
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:22.880
the with the suspect, you know, with the person wearing a hat,

527
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:27.400
I'm not sure, you know,
like you know what what was the person

528
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.599
wearing? You know, I'm not
sure. And usually that has a lot

529
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.119
to do with the trauma. And
now when we do have somebody that comes

530
00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:37.519
in and says, oh, I
even saw the wrinkles, you know it

531
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.440
it had you know, this salt
and pepper hair and it you know,

532
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:46.400
its hands went a certain way.
You know, either they didn't experience a

533
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:50.199
lot of trauma or again, there
they could be filling in the blanks.

534
00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:53.400
But again, when when we do
talk to these people again, we're giving

535
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:58.119
them, you know, we'll do
some baseline questions to see, you know,

536
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:02.360
what their reactions are and how how
they react to to certain questions and

537
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:07.760
how they answer them. And then
well we do see that they're not giving

538
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:15.400
deceptive behavior when they're trying to you
know, again it's uh, you know,

539
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:22.119
we we do run into that quite
a bit. You know. There

540
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:24.519
seems to be also a point to
again, sorry, do you mean to

541
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:30.719
step on anybody that they're on your
to your point, Matt, a sense

542
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:38.039
of embellishment in order to make the
picture bigger of the experience that the person

543
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:43.639
had to be taken a little bit
more seriously. Sure, and so there

544
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:49.199
is a slight sense of embellishment of
well, instead of five feet tall,

545
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:53.440
it was eight feet Well, I'll
tell you my biggest and you know,

546
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:59.800
I do keep an open mind,
but one of my my biggest complaints I

547
00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:07.400
guess us about the bigfoot community is
the size of these things. And uh,

548
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.199
you know, they'll you know,
they always do the tree measurement,

549
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:14.960
you know, and well did it
go up to this branch? And a

550
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:17.400
lot of people again, when you're
in a fearful situation and you're seeing something

551
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:22.519
that you you've never seen before and
you were told doesn't exist, and and

552
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:27.639
they see something peeking behind the tree
or or over by the tree, they're

553
00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:30.440
going to make it look a lot
bigger than what it actually was. And

554
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:36.159
yes, we're getting some big footprints, but uh, you know, really

555
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:40.880
from some collective data that I'm getting
is, especially in Pennsylvania, we're not

556
00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:45.159
looking at you know, eight or
nine foot tall creatures. We're looking at

557
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:52.159
six to seven foot tall creatures,
you know, And uh yeah, yeah,

558
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.760
well, and and again you know, we even have you know,

559
00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:04.239
the little people was at the altbut
which I think it's called Yeah, so

560
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:07.599
so again, you know, we're
you know, I think when when people

561
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:10.960
come in, oh my god,
it was ten foot high. You look

562
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:15.719
at that, and you look at
when people talk about bears, And I

563
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:20.679
always use bears as a good example. I live in an area. I

564
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:22.960
mean, granted, I could be
sitting here right now and a bear can

565
00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:27.519
climb into my backyard because they're the
mountains right behind us, and the bears

566
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:30.320
are out all the time. But
if no one's as familiar with the bears,

567
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:34.000
are going to think, oh my
god, that bear that just you

568
00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:37.360
know, walk down the street.
It has to be you know, four

569
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:40.679
hundred five hundred pounds. Well I
saw the video, you know because on

570
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:45.800
my ring doorbell where I saw the
picture that the neighborhook and you know what,

571
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:47.840
that's only like one hundred and fifty
pounds bear. You know. So

572
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:52.440
when people will, especially when they're
fearful of something, they're going to make

573
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:55.519
it look bigger. They're going to
make it seem, you know, meaner

574
00:49:55.519 --> 00:50:07.440
than what it actually is my own
size and weight. Right, So I

575
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:12.119
want to go back to your whole
mini mart experience. So I used to

576
00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:15.639
work at a mini Martin got rocked. It was a two minute experience,

577
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:22.400
and I can explain detailed what happened
and things like that. So I tell

578
00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:31.239
the police what I remember, and
then this is where this is now.

579
00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:36.639
They were trying to they were drunk
and trying to steal from me, and

580
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:44.480
they wanted smokes, and it's a
whole thing. But I they left,

581
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:47.599
I explained how there was no weapon
involved. This happened here, you know,

582
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:54.000
and then the police asked me follow
up questions and then they see us

583
00:50:54.119 --> 00:51:00.239
side basically like there was a camera
behind me. Hey, the door as

584
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:02.519
a thing on it that says,
hey, this is six feet, this

585
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:06.880
is seven feet, this is four
feet. Which one did they fall in?

586
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:10.519
What did they look like? What
were they approximately wearing this' and this?

587
00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:19.039
But like and that's where I think
sometimes we get it's not as much

588
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:22.559
you're being skeptical. You want to
get the whole picture because they can be

589
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:25.320
the guy. When they caught the
guy at the next convenience store trying to

590
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:30.519
rob that guy, which was like
ten minutes away from my store. My

591
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:35.599
information made it easier for them to
catch him while he was trying to do

592
00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:39.639
it to the next store. But
the fact was is that the police asking

593
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:45.199
me the extra questions, checking to
make sure I was saying things, saying

594
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:47.519
what I thought, to look at
the camera to shay, hey, you

595
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:52.679
notice this tape is here. Some
training I got as being an associate said

596
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:55.360
hey, by the way, if
you're ever robbed one, don't fight him,

597
00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:59.519
dude, don't leave the store.
Three give him you know, Like

598
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:02.239
we had a list of rules,
and you know that helped me. And

599
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:07.800
I'll say, survive the experience.
And like, you have people that are

600
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:13.519
seeing this thing and they're not they're
not trained to see this thing. They're

601
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:17.679
not they don't have the base training
I had. But also is sometimes they

602
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:25.360
feel either ashamed or they're on edge
when you start breaking down what they saw

603
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:30.400
by questioning it not you're not questioning
in a negative way. You're questioning it

604
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:35.840
to understand. And if worker has
worked with me for years and he knows

605
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:38.360
on the other side of this coin
how irritated people can get with me.

606
00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:44.320
I make questions to understand so that
I can project it in my head properly

607
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:49.159
and that we can have a real
conversation because I understand much like the other

608
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:52.960
gentleman said, is I can't understand
his sighting, but if he answers my

609
00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:58.159
questions and we have a real dialogue, I have a better chance of trying

610
00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:04.280
to empathy. Yeah. And that's
where I think the skepticism comes out in

611
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:07.440
me multiple times, where people go, well, you just don't believe.

612
00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:14.800
I don't believe. I don't believe
I have enough information to understand what you

613
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:19.960
saw so that I can believe in
you. And that's a good point.

614
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:27.599
Jesus, you're a baker. I
love it. So. The other thing

615
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:30.679
too, that that change brought up
to is when we're when we're going in,

616
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:35.599
we want to keep our questions,
uh open questions. We don't want

617
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:40.239
to lead to a leading question such
as you know, was it you know?

618
00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:44.039
Are you sure it wasn't over six
feet tall? Are you sure it

619
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:50.079
wasn't uh you know this, or
you know where you're you're actually planning suggestions

620
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:57.559
into the into the witness. And
I do see a lot of researchers sometimes

621
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:02.039
doing that. I've seen that on
on some YouTube videos, and all that's

622
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:08.960
doing is just it's you know,
almost fabricating a new memory, you know,

623
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:14.920
basically for that person if you like
James. You know if the if

624
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:17.760
the tape said that, you know
it was messed up and it was a

625
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:22.840
seven there instead of a six,
you know, would you and they said

626
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:25.119
it was up here at the seven
or you know, can you confirm it

627
00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:30.239
was the seven? You would think
that that person was seven feet tall?

628
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:34.400
Right? And also the fact is
is like when when I had to go

629
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:37.760
to court, the DA's like,
I just want you to tell the story,

630
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:38.480
and he's like, and I was
like, don't you want to go

631
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:40.519
over? I said, no,
I don't want to taint what you're gonna

632
00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:44.639
say. We know what you said
in the incident. We know what he

633
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.400
said. And honestly, I never
had to go to court because they had

634
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:52.519
so much evidence on this guy from
the three different stores he roped that his

635
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:57.679
buddy turned him in because he was
drunk and was deceating burritos. Didn't realize

636
00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:00.199
what was going on. He was
just hanging with his body. It's a

637
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:04.679
whole story. I think I've told
pork of this one, but for the

638
00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:07.360
Patriot, we'll talk about it the
night baker. But the fact is,

639
00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:13.239
though, is that that is a
that is how it works, you know,

640
00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:16.119
with this kind of investigation like the
other day, I'm mowing the lawn

641
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:22.039
up at the land and I see
poop, And I didn't become I didn't

642
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:23.960
become a poop expert. But in
a way, you know, you're kind

643
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:28.440
of like, okay, dear poop
a certain way, rabbit poop a certain

644
00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:30.880
way. This was longer poop.
But I'm like, okay, I have

645
00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:37.239
camera wise seen bears. I've also
seen cat like creatures that could be a

646
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:43.519
coyote or a or a bob you
know, something in our area. I'm

647
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:45.039
not sure what the cats are in
our or it could just be a fricking

648
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:50.440
cat, but it didn't look like
you know, and the neighbor occasionally watches

649
00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:53.320
his dog in my area. So
then I looked at my cameras and I

650
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:58.639
didn't see anything that coalesced with that. But the fact was is like you

651
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:02.079
look at your evidence and and you
expand, like if I if I see

652
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:07.880
if I have a track here,
okay here, then I want if I

653
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:08.920
can get my finger to work,
right, I have a track here,

654
00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:14.519
Okay, where's the food source,
where's the water source? Why would it

655
00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:19.079
be here? What's important that it
happened to be traveling through here all the

656
00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:22.920
little questions you would ask, do
you know what I mean? And as

657
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:29.719
long as you can. That's where
being scientifically skeptical is not hurting anyone,

658
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:36.239
it's it's helping. Because that way, then you can say, Okay,

659
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:40.400
it's a bear, because I've got
camera footage of a bear squatting in the

660
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:45.360
woods, and I got squat that
could be bears, you know. But

661
00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:49.239
if you didn't try to figure out
what it couldn't have been, then you

662
00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:52.719
could be like, oh, it's
gotta be sasquats. You know, you're

663
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:54.800
in the middle of an urban area
with forty cameras that didn't see anything,

664
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:58.800
but you got a little piece of
turd that's gotta be a sasquats. No,

665
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:06.920
a guy that didn't use a baggy
because he's a wow to go after

666
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:09.920
your neighbor. Thing. Well,
listen, now we're we're at the bottom

667
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:13.320
of the hour and I'm the stand
of the show. Guys, we got

668
00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:16.960
to do a part two. Yeah, because we've hit there's we got to

669
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:22.880
point two. We didn't even hit
population size, habitat and hoaxes yet,

670
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:28.039
so we've got a whole if if
you don't mind now, I do want

671
00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:32.360
to plug a Facebook group that me
and and Henry both belonged to. I

672
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:39.440
know some people don't like it,
yes, yes, and uh Steven Struffer

673
00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:43.480
we got to get him on the
show, uh in one of these days,

674
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:49.320
because again he would be perfect for
this. But it's a coalition for

675
00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:53.239
critical Thinking and Bigfoot research. Uh. Steven Strufford runs a great group,

676
00:57:54.079 --> 00:58:01.840
and I've had some really good discussions
on there with people that are one skeptics

677
00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:08.599
and it's uh, you know,
I there might be one or two uh

678
00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:12.599
you know, discussions that might get
out of hand, but for the most

679
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:16.760
part, Steven does a great job
administering it, you know. And he's

680
00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:23.559
just been uh you know, uh
he's like a textbook skeptic, but you

681
00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:29.159
know he's Aaron Willow Creek and uh
you know, I mean he has you

682
00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:30.280
know, people coming to him all
the time. He's part you know,

683
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:36.880
he does a lot of work out
in Bluff Creek as well. So you

684
00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:42.239
know, like I said, that
is an excellent group for for skeptics and

685
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:47.800
believers alike, and for some very
decent discussion in Henry, I I think

686
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:54.679
I'm hoping uh you know, you
agree with that, Oh, absolutely absolutely,

687
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:58.800
I agree. It's a great group. I just want to leave us

688
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:02.360
with one thing, Thomas Steinberg.
As Thomas Steinberg always says, stick to

689
00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:07.679
the facts and never deviate from the
facts. We're gonna end it on that

690
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:14.199
you're not that one up. Up
the link to that what you guys were

691
00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:16.440
talking about, though, and then
people could follow it easier. Henry,

692
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:21.280
I'm so madly. We'll post it
in the We'll put it, We'll put

693
00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:24.639
it in the show notes and on
the uh in the Facebook promotions when we

694
00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:27.920
do the show. Folks, I
want to thank each and every one of

695
00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:30.320
you for tuning in the night,
our largest audience tonight, our live viewer,

696
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:36.079
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697
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:38.960
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698
00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:43.719
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699
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:47.920
support great research. I really enjoyed
the conversation tonight, guys. You all

700
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:52.280
were wonderful. Henry. Take us
out with that beautiful, beautiful phrase,

701
00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:58.559
you'll be good. It'd be good
at it, and that's where we're at.

702
00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:06.320
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703
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