EP 103: Rock Apes of Vietnam

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guests of Sasquatch Experience do not necessarily reflect

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the opinion of the host, sponsors, or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience.

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As always, listener discretion is advised. We got someone or something growing around

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out here? Does a legend walk
among us working in the forests of our

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world? Did you see what it
was? Was it a person or an

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animal? Or I can't go?
Oh? I know as if my thunder

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light came on and I get happen
to glen and see this thing running across

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the yard, a good fight man
or something looks like a man. I

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don't know what it was. For
over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists,

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researchers, investigators, and witnesses trying
to gain insight and proof around the

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existence of this mysterious entity. Jesus
quite peel, Hello, get somebody out

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here. What's going to announce there? Got a mention about six foot nine?

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I don't know, easy announce there? Yeah, I'm looking right ry

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Oh, okay, hand on,
yeah, got it's bigger? Okay,

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what's he doing in your yard?
We're gonna do join us as we continue

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into the investigation of the Sasquatch Experience. And good evening everybody. Welcome to

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the Sasquatch Experience. I'm Sean the
Fort Chop Forker, James Baker, vans

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Nesbitt and Matt Arner. Down to
the bottom square Henry may off tonight.

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We wish Henry speedy recovery and hope
he gets well soon. A little under

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the weather this week, guys,
we have some I tell you been busy

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besides a lot of the social media
posting over this week and getting ready for

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this holiday, this day of Remembrance. It's been a quite the weekend.

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And there's another new episode of Sasquatch
Experience Classics uploaded as well. And this

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episode, this classic episode, Sasquatch
Watch of Virginia, which features Tom Lancaster

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and Billy Willard, but has a
surprise call in from John Eric Beckyard,

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who many of you may know if
you follow the show for a long time,

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was my arch nemesis. Yep,
I was not on the show at

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that particular call in. It was
Henry and Baker and they did very well.

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So let's I will tell you,
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that's kind of all we have for
housekeeping. Tonight, gentlemen, how you

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been what did you have going on
today or what you've been up to.

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It's been a while. Go ahead, Matt oh Well, I mean,

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for me, I have kind of
taken a little bit of a break from

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going up to our research spot.
I have some cameras up there, and

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I'm getting ready. I have a
place where I'm gonna put the audio recorder,

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but I figure I'm just gonna let
that area just kind of settle in

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and you know, see if we
get anything there up there with no people

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around. I was checking out a
few other good decent areas not that far

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from us, not that far from
Sean and James, and uh, you

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know that would be a pretty decent
place too, uh to check out.

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So so there's all sorts of new, you know, good stuff coming out.

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I do plan to get a couple
of videos that we can add to

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the Patreon as well, you know, from you know, just uh me

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being out in the woods. I
mean, the big thing is is that

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when I'm mount in the woods out
there, yes, I'm looking for for

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tracks, I'm looking for any sort
of sign I'm looking for you know,

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you know, hey, if I
if I get an audio or or you

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know, the Holy Grail, if
I get a sighting, you know that

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that's amazing. But you know,
the big thing is, especially here in

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the in the spring, early summer, seeing uh, just nature just kind

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of you know, regenerating itself over
the over the wintertime, seeing the different

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types of flowers, the insects,
you know, the animals there that are

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out there. It truly is amazing
and and you know, the more you

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really get to learn about nature and
ecology, it really does open your eyes

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up about Bigfoot as well. So
I implore everyone, you know, if

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you if you like to be outside, to read up about nature, read

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up about you know, the your
local fauna in UH in your backyard or

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in your research area. And it's
amazing the different things I find. I

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I find new UH sites and UH
and new things I discover almost every time

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I go out. So again,
anyone that likes to be out there,

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you know, just go out there
and have fun. I think there's a

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lot of merit to what you're discussing
there, Matt, in terms of you

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know, getting used to your natural
environment, getting used to your getting to

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know all the idio idiosyncrasies, getting
used to all the native animals. That

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way, you can think Bigfoot last. Yes, as Henry will remind everybody.

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And I think there's a lot of
benefit to that, you know,

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critical thinking never hurt anybody. But
in order to critically think, you have

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to understand what's in your area and
what Matt is saying, as folks go

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out and find a place in Cliff
Berrickman, you know, has been saying

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this for a long time. You
know, be local, find an area

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near you, and work the hell
out of it. And Matt and I

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have been fortunate that we have that, you know, you know, throughout

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our region, we have a lot
of little pockets that we can go and

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visit. So yeah, great job
on that, Matt. Thanks for bringing

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that up. I think that's good
talking points to the folks out there.

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And boy, that really ties in
with a great talking point with our subject

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matter tonight of the Rock Apes of
Vietnam. There's a lot I would like

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to add without overwhelming the entire group, but the point that Matt brought up

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is so pertinent and very important to
that whole subject matter. Well, you

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know, I think you know,
the research we've done into this show for

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tonight, the the Rock Apes of
Vietnam not picked intentionally, It was on

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the schedule. We just kind of
threw it into the rotation. It happened

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to land on Memorial Days it was
kind of It wasn't an intentional scheduling,

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but it worked out that way.
It was in the rotation. But interesting

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how these guys, you know,
and you're a soldier and you're in these

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jungles vance how in tune they become
and how your very survival depends on your

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ability to tune in and pay attention. And we're going to get into that

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and just a little one. So
I didn't want to, you know,

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we didn't want to go too far
into it. But it's going to be

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a good show tonight, Baker,
anything you got for it. You might

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be having a little technical snaffoo.
Okay there, I'm good with the technical.

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I'm just trying to fix something in
a moment here. Let's see this

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week I identified four different kinds of
tracks, a deer, some a cat,

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a raccoon, and a few other
ones. I identified some poop,

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which was kind of neat. I
thought, you know, what was this

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and what it was? And I
know it wasn't bigfoot, but trying to

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figure out what it could be.
And I may have started a small argument

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in the diner when someone made fun
of a bumper sticker. Tell us more

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about this altercation with the bumper sticker. I'm intrigued. I wasn't there there's

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a place I like to eat,
and Forker knows that it's it's down the

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road from him. And I'm eating
my uh chicken. I'm eating my burger

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sliders, which was really nice,
said cheese and bacon jam and I had

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a little bit of lettuce and I
onionto it, and they had a fried

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pickle on it. We got three
of those, and I got some boneless

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wings and they were hot. And
I'm sitting there eating and being good,

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you know, by myself, just
kind of drinking because I've because I've been

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outside all day, just dying a
little bit. And these two women sit

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down and I didn't realize there was
a third woman because the other two kind

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of eclips them, and I could
hear them go looking a good boner sticker

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over there. He believes a bigfoot. I'm like, and I realized that

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you should never start a conversation,
you know, when they're making funny You

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should never start a confrontation with listenith
that bitch. But you know, when

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you're a little dehydrated and the burger
hasn't kicked in yet, Yeah, I

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know, mad I was. I
wasn't my finest moment. I could have

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said, you know, hey,
you know, you know, listen here

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a big girl, don't cry.
You know, everybody, but I believe

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in something even though no one believes
in you. I mean, there were

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so many other options, and you
know, I didn't get thrown out,

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which is nice because that's my regular
place. They make the best waffles and

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pull of pans. And then you
know, fucker knows it's my point place.

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Okay, now, well place,
it's my place, yeah, but

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it's someone that's closest to you.
I mean, I don't want our stalkers

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to fully know where I go all
the time because God knows how that'll do.

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But like I just I felt bad
of how the conversation went. But

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the snarkiness for no apparent reason,
just because I had a bumper sticker,

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you know, it bothered me.
And then like their attitude of you know,

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I must not be very bright because
I believe in something else. And

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I've always said to you guys,
and you know my opinion on this,

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it's either really smarter it doesn't exist. But the thing is it's the sign

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it's as valid. I am learning
so much from you know, and and

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this phrase sticks in my head just
as much as a sticking everybody else's head.

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Henry came up with a great thing
of think bigfoot last in investigating,

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and I've been taking that with stride
because I look at all my evidence and

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go, okay, it's not a
bigfoot. What is it? Okay,

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it's it's not this. It's not
this, it's not this. Okay what

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Okay? So I found deer tracks, Okay, I've noticed deer. My

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cameras are picking up deer. Where's
the closest food, Well, you know,

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there's this, this, the water
sources how many feet away? You

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know, just things you would do
if you were investigating. If you found

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a track, you know, that
might be a large you know, ape

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or not a bear. You know. Later her feet are small, but

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her girth was wide. Okay,
so you know, I mean, you

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know, she made she made a
friend in him. She's started. I

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want to mention to everybody that's gonna
attack me. One I don't care,

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and two I didn't start that fight. I just wanted to eat my sliders

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here, which were damn good.
I'll tell you, bacon jam with a

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fried pickle. Just you gotta try
it, okay, and eat my little

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wings and have my third diet soda
because I was outside for six hours with

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very little liquid. I'll admit diabetes
or perchess might have pushed that escalation,

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but I didn't start that fun you
know, blame the diabetes, blame no,

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I blame I blame people that are
didn't need to realize that, which

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I'm just as bad at, but
at least that that uh don't want to

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talk, open their mouth, but
realize that some people will throw hands okay,

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you know, or haymakers, verbal
haymakers. You know, it's you

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know, it's it's funny run into
that. I guess, you know,

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I guess I don't know. You
and I have had interesting interactions, but

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generally what happens we run into those
kind of people. We've found a way

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to diplomatically handle it, but way
to go, baker defending your own I

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mean we've run into that at diners. We've been at diners and somebody's talking

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about bigfoot and I'm being like,
hey, did you have a you know,

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and I'll say like that one time, I was like, do you

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have a question about bigfoot? And
they're like, what do you care.

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I'm like, well, the guy
over here is like the definitive guy in

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our county, you know, like
you might want to talk to him.

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Oh yeah, really what do you
think? And then we had a nice

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conversation over you know whatever we're having. This conversation went downhill. Well,

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I mean we could go back and
dissect it, but that's not the purpose

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of tonight's show. But as you
can see folks across to say a bottom

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of the screen here our appearances were
going to make a brief appearance at the

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Forest County Bigfoot Festival in Marionville,
Pennsylvania, ju nine, twenty twenty four,

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Sunday, only see if we can
get a bake shop around for that

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one. But I know I'll be
there definitely, just to see you see

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if my work will let me off. I already had some friends small Town

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Monsters Fast June twenty eighth and twenty
ninth, and can't Ohio, get your

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tickets if you haven't already. We're
gonna be there all weekend and we're gonna

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be doing a live show. It's
gonna be a hell of a good time.

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So with all the shameless self promotion
and our weekends in retail vance.

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Why don't you pop into this one
and get us kicked off. Oh,

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on the whole rock apes of Vietnam. Sure, sure, you know,

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there's a couple of interesting points their
stories. There's a lot of information which

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I'm sure you gentlemen will be happy
to share. Stories out of the Vietnam

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During the Vietnam War, when the
United States was in South Vietnam fighting the

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North Vietnamese in a communist movement from
moving into South Vietnam and turning that into

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a communist country, and with a
lot of the US troops, so many

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reports came back of a six foot
to six and a half foot tall bipedal

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prime that was very agitated and throwing
rocks and creating a disturbance to the troops.

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And with this whole story, you
know, I kind of take a

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step back and I want to take
a look at the factual end of this

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whole thing. When Vietnam came about, the draft was imposed in the United

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States for those that are eighteen years
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and you had to be drafted and
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Nobody knew where Vietnam was and if
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the culture. And this goes back
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knowing the fauna and the biological regions
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so that you can eliminate. None
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into but mostly men of young age. They had no idea where to even

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find Vietnam on a map, and
so what do you expect. You get

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drafted and you're trained to fight jungle
combat. You don't know what the biological

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existence is in that area. You're
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regions. And so when these reports
come back of these beans that are six

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six and a half feet tall throwing
rocks at the troops, it may not

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have seemed to them. Yeah,
it was kind of creepy, but they

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have no clue as to what the
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into this and doing a little bit
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but most of them are small tree
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I want to advance that it's a
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because one of the things folks had
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remnants of orangutans, and orangutans have
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thousand years. Yeah, but they
the reading I did was they mentioned that

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the Vietnamese had a name for him
but two cuts, and they had some

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they had some like lore already.
So it wasn't like it wasn't like the

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locals didn't know that there could be
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the worst people or the jungle people, and right and Advance makes a good

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point is you know, you have
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know, you got people from Maine
to California. Some of them don't even

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know what hot weather is. Some
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then you have you know, you
have the Vietnamese. There was there was

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kind of like there were cities,
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rural, rural, you know,
like so like these creatures to me,

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I always felt when I was reading
the material I read was this these creatures

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were more of a If you think
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a foot like creature or grassman,
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the same because the because they wouldn't
have that that that I'm trying to like

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this wall between us, like like
you wouldn't see like it'd be hard to

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find a big foot in Pittsburgh because
it would be so different. Right,

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But if you go outside of Pittsburgh, you know, into the the mountains,

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I can't think of the name of
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Mountain. What's the name? O, thank you? It's in my head.

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Like Ford, you go there,
it's plausible, but you go towards

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Pittsburgh, it's not. Because that's
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in Vietnam this is their land.
Let me tell you there are places in

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southwest Pennsylvania, down in Fayette County
that they call it fayet Nam. Okay,

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the underbrush is so thick and it's
humid. It is a very treacherous

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place. And it really is in
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It goes into West Virginia. It's
a pretty perilous place. So right,

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not all these places are that in
different aside from the jungle atmosphere, you

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know where you are walking wastemire and
water bogs, and rivers trying to get

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an stay hostile fire right. Well, I would add also that Sumatra borders

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Vietnam, and in two thousand and
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or rangu tang however you want to
pronounce it, was discovered in Sumatra in

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twenty seventeen. Yeah, it was
a subspecies of a rangutan. It's exactly

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a subspecies. Thanks for making that
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us. Look, that's in recent
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I'll add one other interesting fact,
if you want to put it a fact

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about Vietnam and the rock apes.
Most of the testimonies from troops said this

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thing was six to six and a
half feet tall. We're not talking a

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Pacific Northwest of the United States type
of creature that's ten to twelve feet tall.

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We're talking about a creature that's six
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bipedal. And I took a concern
about that. And I people don't

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know me. There's a few that
do know me. I collect globes.

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This is my It's just a collection
thing that I do. I probably have

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fifteen of them in my house,
and I look on one of my globes

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and I know that, Yeah,
the flatter is exactly. So I take

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a look at the longitude of eastern
Texas and Florida, and I run the

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longitude. It's the same longitude as
in Vietnam. And what are the reports

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coming out of Florida? A six
to six and a half foot tall creature,

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a scumpcape. So I found that
completely plausible. To the fact that

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it's it's a near tropical jungle type
of environment, which is similar to Florida,

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central to South Florida. That to
me, through a bunch of facts

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on the table to say, this
seems to be very plausible. We connect

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the dots. That's what we do
here on the Saasquatch experience. Go ahead,

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Matt, what were you saying?
No, I was bringing up I

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said. I said that in itself
is a perfect example of Berman's rule,

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where we do have of is something
that that's closer to the equator, and

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we have a species that you know, is six six and a half feet

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tall, similar to what's seen in
Florida, similar similar to what's been seen

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in Texas. Whereas you know,
just this past week, I was hearing

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a report from Canada, you know
from a northern Alberta where the guy described

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what he saw was, you know, eleven twelve feet tall. So again

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I think that that that in itself
is a perfect point in regards to berg

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control. And again, one one
thing I bring up to is deer.

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I mean, you look at a
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size of a dog. You know, you look at a deer from northern

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Maine or Michigan. You know,
it's it's huge. So so I I

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do think that that that takes a
big account as to the as to the

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size if the species says exists,
which I believe it does. But for

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the again, for the size it
does. And that's great point that you

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brought up that the uh you know
that that matches up with East Texas and

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Florida. So the one thing that
I also read about the article was is

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it was displacement was very important because
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there were animals where they weren't supposed
to be right, Like, some

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of the animals moved because Agent Orne
was burning down half the jungle that we

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had planes dropping bombs, we had
people shooting each other. There was just

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a lot going on, and a
lot of the animals that may have only

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stayed in a fifty mile range moved
out to one hundred hundred and fifty mile

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range because where they used to live
was now on fire. Yeah, but

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didn't you think that would make a
primate pretty pissed off and at all?

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Lot And we're going to get into
Yeah, we're going to get into some

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of those stories on the flip side
of the news. But Baker, finish

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your thought. We'll take the news
break and we'll come back with some of

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these encounters. And you're correct about
that. And and like you said that

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there were there were primates that aren't
supposed to be there because they were in

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other parts of the country or other
countries that bordered well, some of these

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border countries we're still having trouble too, and some of these animals could have

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pushed in m h you know.
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reports were really interesting because it looked
like and I used Florida as an example

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as you did, is Florida is
full of animals that should never be there,

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but they're there because someone from another
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And they went up in Florida was
exactly, there's summer place. Well,

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let's get on the summer place.
Let's take our break here real quick.

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We're already at the point of the
show. Folks, stick around,

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We'll be right back right after.
This news team a symble. He said,

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I was making fun of the military, you know, which you can't

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do now, Like we totally went
the from Vietnam. All the hippies be

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like, hey man, you like
a baby killer man to like now you've

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got to give like a standing ovation
when they walk over to Delta. You

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know what I mean? You know
show show that you're not in isis like,

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I don't know what you have to
thank you? Thank you anam ah.

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Yes, little kickoff amusement from Bill
Burr And a Happy Monday Memorial Day

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to you all. You know,
I'm usually critical of saying Happy Memorial Day

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since it's really a time of reflection
for those who rose to the occasion when

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an entire nation needed them. Most
men, and I mean men from the

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ages of sixteen to their early twenties
volunteered to support a fight against some of

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the most unspeakable horrors being inflicted upon
the soil of this world. All of

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us have someone in our lineage that
held that brave valor to put themselves between

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death and danger and freedom and peace. With the most undeveloped equipment and non

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proven equipment. These men and women, I may add, put their faith

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into their outfits and pursued forward.
Today is not a holiday created for the

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hot dog or beer, but rather
a thank you message from all of us

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just to take a moment and share
America, land of the free because of

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the brave. It's so much more
than just a simple sentence. Brave souls

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died to ensure that the morals and
development continues for the betterment of all humanity.

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America leads and has led in the
most amazing developments this planet has ever

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seen. Medicines to save lives,
doom buggies on the moon, world,

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communication, free market for those who
are less fortunate, and believe me,

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that list can go on for days. History could have turned us into goose

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stepping killers, but American souls said
no. Memorial Day is also about all

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the public servants that have our backs
on any given twenty four hour watch,

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police, fire first responders who have
fallen in the life of duty are owed

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an overwhelming debt of gratitude. America, land of the Free, because of

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the brave, was drained of its
blood to the point their life here had

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ended. But remember this, we
can talk and lead in the field of

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sasquatchery because of them. No other
country is doing what we do here,

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No other country is holding their freak
flag higher than America. We shall say

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thank you to those that serve and
have given the ultimate sacrifice for you,

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the listener, and the five of
us to talk about a subject that tugs

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at our heartstrings. Thank you to
the families who have lost a loved one

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in the pursuit of our personal happiness. May you all rest in peace.

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folks, you're listening to the Sasquatch
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Nesbitt, Matt Arner, Henry may
Off tonight. And as we talked and

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teased about before we looked over from
the break, we do have a little

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bit left on the rock apes of
Vietnam, and guys, you think that

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with a topic that is so interesting, there would be a lot more on

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it, but there isn't a ton
of developed research on this topic, aside

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from stories from the folks from the
UH what was it, the the Kuntumb

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providence in Vietnam. Those are the
ones that refer to it as the tech

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tech. This creature that stands about
four to six feet tall, hideous roars

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at night, but also can imitate
human voices and lure them in to be

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killed. So some sort of other
behavior attributed to this being not unlike some

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stories we've heard of the immickry here
in UH North America, particularly dvance in

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the UH forest where we've had Zuly
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So, folks, we're connecting the
dots here a little bit. And

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even though we're getting these stories of
the rockets of Vietnam happening during the Vietnam

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War, UH, these behaviors and
these activities are these creatures are still being

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seen UH to this day. And
we've already ruled out some of the usual

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suspects. We could rule out a
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rangutan, as these don't particularly match
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an orangutan does. The rangutans are
very skittish and don't like to really interact

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with people as much as these rock
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right. In fact, sometimes they're
intercepting grenades and chucking them back. Oh

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that would suck. Yeah, I'm
sorry, yeah, right, But think

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about these are the stories that we
got advanced. What story I'm interested to

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see what story you started off with
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Army Sergeant Gary Linder, Vietnam one
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you're asking me specifically, I would
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a little bit and bring up the
point of the fact that I brought up

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earlier that none of these US troops
that went into Vietnam knew with the biological

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or what the nature of the jungle
was to begin with. So if they

405
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:52.800
came across something, they may not
have understood it as much as wow,

406
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:59.960
this is weird. It may have
just been a normal creature in that area.

407
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:05.960
U. However, with that said, uh, I kind of want

408
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:12.960
to bring up the whole point of
you know, I think that this is

409
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:16.960
this is so difficult for me to
try to explain, to put it from

410
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:24.440
beginning to end. Uh, for
those that did have an experience and didn't

411
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:30.039
make it home to share their experience, and this is kind of a perfect

412
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:35.920
time for a Memorial Day type of
you know, conversation to have because there

413
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:40.280
may have been some of those that
it would have profound information that they could

414
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:50.360
have shared, but they didn't make
it home Stateside, right, But there

415
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:55.079
are sightings of folks that did make
it that there is there is I think

416
00:37:55.079 --> 00:38:00.159
our listeners are interested in hearing as
a show about witnesses from right all,

417
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:05.360
right, But the dance brings up
a great point that that we may have

418
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:09.280
had you know, there there may
have been soldiers over there that had profound

419
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:19.119
encounters and you know, unfortunately they
weren't able to bring those encounters you know,

420
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:23.800
uh back you know from you know, giving their lives for their country

421
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:29.480
and uh you know, but you
know, there may have been somebody that

422
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:31.920
you know, could describe them perfectly, could you know, say hey,

423
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:37.599
you know what this is the way
the biological structure is. Uh. But

424
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:39.559
unfortunately, you know, like I
said, they may have been killed,

425
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:45.119
uh, killed in action, which
you know, again that's a that's a

426
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:51.800
great point that ansprings up right in
a show about witness encounter. Yeah,

427
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:57.280
we need to move into some of
those the audience it's listening. I think

428
00:38:57.320 --> 00:39:00.760
that's a valid point. But at
the same time, we have to look

429
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:05.599
at it from the perspective of the
native people too, much like we lost

430
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:08.960
a lot of the stories from the
Native Americans because their village doesn't exist anymore

431
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:14.199
and they didn't write things down or
it went up with the blaze. But

432
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:16.360
the fact is that Sean makes a
valid point is we've got to look at

433
00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:21.719
who we can talk to now because
the thing is is like so many things

434
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:24.920
were happening. And a lot of
these guys that came back from Vietnam.

435
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:28.599
From talking to my dad, he
was in the guards. He didn't go

436
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.760
overseas, but he knew a lot
of those guys that did. He said,

437
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:37.480
a lot of those saw a lot
of those guys saw things. It's

438
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.599
it's hard to say from a kid
from Pennsylvania to say, oh my god,

439
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:45.079
I went to another country that was
completely different, with a completely different

440
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:50.559
lifestyle, people food and that,
and I you know, exterminated a good

441
00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:52.360
portion of them because they were trying
to exterminate me, or that was what

442
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:59.119
the mission was. But like the
things that the things they saw imprinted on

443
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:01.840
them, like oh my, you
know, like there were so the beauty

444
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:06.320
and the horror were both equal.
I guess was the way my dad always

445
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:08.960
put it. So I mean,
in this case, like, it's nice

446
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:15.440
that we had some people that survived
this enough that they could tell these stories,

447
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:21.079
because some people survived it and can't
tell the story because they just can't

448
00:40:21.079 --> 00:40:22.519
find a way to put it in
the words because there's so many other things

449
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:30.840
rattling, right. PTSD comes into
play quite a bit too. All right,

450
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:32.440
Well, let's talk about some of
these sightings that folks did have that

451
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:37.679
were able to share them, and
there were a few. Gary Linder again

452
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:44.480
one hundred and first Airborne Division,
while out on reconnaissance control, while struggling

453
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:50.039
through the underbrush, ran into a
figure with deep set eyes and a prominent

454
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:53.840
brow, five feet tall, with
long muscular arms, and the creature walked

455
00:40:53.920 --> 00:41:00.320
up right with broad shoulders and to
heavy torso. Now his companions told him

456
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:06.480
that he had just seen a rock
ape. But this was not Linder's first

457
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:10.400
encounter with a rock ape, as
he had had other sightings. There's another

458
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:17.199
story from a platoon where they were
out a single file in the jungle.

459
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:24.519
Guys looking through his I believe a
rifle scope. This thing starts. He

460
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:30.039
sees this giant like walking hairball,
so you can see it walking. Stobs

461
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:32.920
looks at it, it still moves. It comes down. He can see

462
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:37.320
it right at the end of his
rifle and it touches his rifle. That's

463
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:43.679
how close this thing got to this
soldier when he's out. You know,

464
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:49.800
they're out just doing this general patrol. Another interesting encounter guys that I have,

465
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:52.599
and we could talk about these three
then in just a moment there's a

466
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:58.920
group of gentlemen, while carrying equipment
through the jungle being eaten alive by mosquitoes.

467
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:05.519
They noticed fifteen yards up on the
hillside, these trees start in the

468
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:07.639
shake. Well, you know what
they're thinking now, all of a sudden,

469
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:12.159
they're getting a defensive posture because they
think they're getting ready to get attacked,

470
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.400
that this is a warning sign or
somebody's letting it out that these guys

471
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:22.480
are about ready to get to get
attacked. Right and instead of a cong

472
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:28.320
soldier popping out at them, they
see this five foot tall, reddish creature

473
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:36.000
with a large cucumber esque shaped head
emerge from the bushes, and it stood

474
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:42.639
there, looked them over for a
few seconds, and then meandered back into

475
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:47.880
the jungle. And then of course
you have other stories Army Sergeant Thomas Jenkins,

476
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:53.440
where they've had rocks thrown at them
by these beings. So you have

477
00:42:53.519 --> 00:43:04.400
some pretty pretty intense encounter encounters right
right right that are much different than bigfoot

478
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:07.440
encounters. Right. Bigfoot encounters tend
to be a little bit I'm not saying

479
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:09.960
they're not as dramatic, but these
guys are out doing jungle warfare, and

480
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:14.599
these things are just popping right up
to them. It's a danger, that's

481
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:21.199
true. But with all that you
just brought up, in these encounters,

482
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:27.199
again, this is warfare. There's
a lot of gunfire, there's a lot

483
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:32.920
of napalm, there's a lot of
bomb dropping. These creatures were probably more

484
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:39.639
on edge than US troops were because
they don't have a grasp or understanding as

485
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:46.599
to what's happening, but they understand
what the creature is that's creating this problem.

486
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:52.159
And to have a creature come that
close to you to the you know,

487
00:43:52.440 --> 00:44:00.159
end of your rifle, I mean, what's the empathy that you have

488
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:06.239
no idea if this thing is a
natural being of the area, or if

489
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:12.679
this is an undiscovered cryptid. You
just don't know, because that's not what

490
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:17.679
you were trained for. You were
trained for warfare against the viet Cong coming

491
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:23.119
from North Korea into South or I'm
sorry, North Vietnam into South Vietnam.

492
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:30.400
That's all you were trained for.
You were not trained for anything other than

493
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:35.840
that. And then to have this
creature show up, it seems very plausible

494
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:43.360
to me that, holy crap,
this thing lives here. It's completely agitated

495
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:50.440
by the destruction that's going on in
it's home, spread where it lives.

496
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:59.159
I totally get it. I think
it's very plausible, and you have to

497
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:02.480
look at it from a creature's point
of view or even an animal. You've

498
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:07.360
got people that smell different, look
different, are different, are making a

499
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:13.760
lot of more noises than usual,
are are attacking the regular people that are

500
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:16.920
there every day, right, you
know, so they would be in the

501
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:21.920
same point of Okay, what's your
deal and why are you in my woods?

502
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:25.920
You know? There was an area
there that was so deep in sightings

503
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:32.599
they referred to it as Monkey Mountain. Yep, and another sighting that I

504
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:39.159
stumbled upon while doing the research for
this program. Six months into this Gentleman's

505
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:45.159
tour company m third Battalion Marines,
there was a land mine explosion. He

506
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:51.679
was hit by shrapnel not twenty yards
away. Six weeks after he had his

507
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:55.559
bell rung there by that land mine, he was on a re recon mission

508
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:00.639
and one of his compatriots saw what
they thought was a large medicine ball.

509
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:05.000
That's the story I was telling you
earlier, where he, you know,

510
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:07.679
walks to the end of his rifle
and he bumps it. It screamed and

511
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:14.280
waved its arms and ran off later
large boulders, not rocks. The recount

512
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:20.559
the account says boulders were thrown in
their platoon encampment. Remember that they looked

513
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:24.440
like gorillas with four to five inch
fangs. There were about seventeen of them.

514
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:32.920
A bunch of them were killed supposedly
by our soldiers. And this gentleman

515
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:38.000
he was discharged honorably and was awarded
the Purple Heart later as a lance corporal.

516
00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:44.519
So he also stated that these animals
are known to toss grenades back at

517
00:46:44.599 --> 00:46:49.079
soldiers that are thrown their way.
So some of those stories we talked about

518
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:54.280
earlier kind of you know, ebbed
into what this gentleman had had recounted and

519
00:46:54.360 --> 00:47:00.639
his you know, his excursions,
his his tour over in Vietnam, right,

520
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:05.400
and a lot more of my notes
just kind of kind of go to

521
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:09.760
the misidentified orangutans. You know,
orangutans live in remote areas of the jungle,

522
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:13.280
which you guys make up a good
point. We're bombing the hell out

523
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:16.559
of them over there. It's Napalm
City and they're losing habitat. But orangutans

524
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:20.960
haven't lived in Vietnam, in that
area of Vietnam for thousands of years,

525
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:29.360
so them being there still probably unlikely. You know advance, you talk about,

526
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:35.719
you know, a subspecies of orangutan
identified in what twenty seventeen, you

527
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:39.119
know, in the late eighties,
right in the late nineties. You have

528
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:44.280
to remember there was the Billy eight
that people thought might be its own distinct

529
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:47.519
ape. And the Billy eight turned
out to be a subspecies of chimpanzee.

530
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:52.599
And I think there's an argument to
be made that it is just a chimpanzee.

531
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:57.880
It maybe not even be a subspecies, but the behavior of these things

532
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:00.280
were a little were a little different
than your typical chimpanzees, right, more

533
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:05.400
aggressive. So and then go back
to the Mountain gorilla. Guys, at

534
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:09.320
this time, you're only seventy years
away from the mountain gorilla being discovered.

535
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:14.000
You know, the Mountain gorilla was
only discovered in nineteen oh two. We're

536
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:17.119
one hundred and twenty some years away
from that discovery. That's not a long

537
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:23.360
time that we cohabitated this planet with
another large primate that we didn't identify until

538
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:29.880
the nineteen hundreds. So why is
that argument silly that you know, we

539
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:35.320
could still be sharing this world with
further undocumented large primates. Well, I

540
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:39.519
don't think it's silly at all,
because there is a huge swath of Vietnam

541
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:46.519
that is undeveloped. Look, it's
not a first world country by any means,

542
00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:52.119
and so a lot of it is
undiscovered and maybe protected. And things

543
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:59.159
have calmed down since the nineteen seventies, where maybe these creatures have moved back

544
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:04.960
into the area. See that things
have calmed down, they can sustain a

545
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:09.440
normal lifestyle. And it's the same
thing in this area too. What if

546
00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:15.599
there was some serious, huge war
that broke out in Florida, or in

547
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:21.199
eastern Texas or in the Pacific Northwest, I think you would see a lot

548
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:24.880
more activity from these creatures coming up, going now, no, get the

549
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:30.039
hell out of my area here and
throw rocks. I think that's very plausible.

550
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:34.400
I don't think we need to rely
on war for that. I think

551
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:38.639
we have to rely on just our
You know, when we're affected by natural

552
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:45.320
disasters, we're worried about our own
survival and about how we overcome things afterwards.

553
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:50.880
We're really not paying attention to you
know, we're stuck in the chaos

554
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:54.320
mindset. We're not really thinking about
other things going on around us, right,

555
00:49:55.360 --> 00:50:01.199
and you're talking about in war a
little different when you're trained to be

556
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:07.000
paying attention to the chaos of what's
going on, right, but your point

557
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:10.639
of view is different. The average
person isn't thinking isn't trained to think that

558
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:17.159
way. But if I can make
a point two points actually as one point

559
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:22.880
is that really only as you said, the orangutan hasn't been seen in Vietnam

560
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:25.960
for a thousand years. The only
way to really prove that it could be

561
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:31.400
in Orangutang would be after the war
to see if any were counted or disseminated

562
00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:38.599
from that point. And secondly,
as somebody that is talked to a lot

563
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:45.119
of vets, the training they got
for the people who were drafted was really

564
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:52.719
like eight weeks of training on how
to follow orders, not to be a

565
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:59.159
full on soldier. Now you're talking
some sergeant or lieutenant that's been in for

566
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:02.320
ten years in this scene. Well
not always right, but a lot of

567
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:07.840
those a lot of those kids on
the ground work kids on the ground eighty

568
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:15.440
Florida. And these reports aren't coming
from privates and they're they're coming from sergeants

569
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:19.920
and you know, folks that have
been you know a little bit more battle

570
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:27.480
seasoned season, right, And that's
that's an important notation. Uh. You

571
00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:30.440
know again that training to be paying
attention to what's going on in the chaos

572
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:35.360
and you're able to identify some of
these things, is you know, kind

573
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:38.840
of remarkable that we've even gotten this
report. It's even remarkable that folks were

574
00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:45.159
even allowed to talk about this publicly
and openly at at this point, right,

575
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:49.079
I mean, it's it's it's a
crazy situation and the fact that there

576
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:57.280
were now there were scientific inquiries,
inquiries done at that time. Seventy four

577
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:01.920
there was a general on the other
side that launched an expedition to find the

578
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:08.119
rock apes in the seventies there were
there were foot tracks found wider than humans,

579
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:13.880
barefoot prints that were that were wider
than people's prints, and that kind

580
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:21.360
of spurred the investigation and the investigative
palette for somebody over there to launch an

581
00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:24.800
inquiry. But there was nothing found
from that, so it was a rather

582
00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:34.320
fruitless expedition, or was it.
M Matt thoughts, Yeah, I mean,

583
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:40.079
if you're talking about the Viet Cong
trying to do a independent expedition on

584
00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:45.599
their own, you know it's probably
it was probably something used to to cover

585
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:47.960
up something that they were doing,
you know, probably some sort of counterops

586
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:53.719
on us. But I did hear
though that there were reports from the viet

587
00:52:53.800 --> 00:53:00.960
Cong during you know, during the
war along with our troops that had both

588
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:07.000
had encounters. I don't have any
specific encounters on hand, but it was

589
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:12.119
noted in a few of the articles
I had read that these reports were on

590
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:19.119
both sides. So, but going
back to the with the war and in

591
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:25.639
the loss of habitat, I was
going to go back to Pennsylvania back in

592
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:31.440
the turn of the century where we
do our research. That was like literally

593
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:35.599
like a bald mountain up there,
you know, from all the logging,

594
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:38.199
and what happened was there was a
lot of reports that were coming from the

595
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:43.079
farmlands at that time, you know, people seeing you know, the the

596
00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:46.800
escape gorilla from from the train as
they'd always say, you know, finding

597
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:52.000
them down the farmlands because all the
area you know, where where the big

598
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:57.599
Timber was was completely like you know, I mean you look at those mountains

599
00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:01.880
and there was nothing there. There
was just so it looked very similar to

600
00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:07.519
to something that you would see in
a post war uh environment. But I

601
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:13.320
do know for what they were saying
is over in Vietnam. Even now,

602
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:17.079
they can't do field expeditions out in
those jungles because of the fact that there's

603
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:22.320
so many land mines right that are
still there, and it's potentially one of

604
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:27.159
the one of the most dangerous habitats
you know, uh in the world.

605
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:35.679
You know what's happened, plus pits
and variety other Yeah, there's still so

606
00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:42.280
many, so many dangers unexploded.
Correct, correct, So you know,

607
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:47.960
maybe if there's animals out there,
including the rock apes that learned to you

608
00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:52.320
know, kind of be wary of
uh, certain items, if they especially

609
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:57.159
metal is going to give off a
certain odor. Explosives might give off a

610
00:54:57.159 --> 00:55:00.639
certain odor. Uh, you know, obviously if King nine, you know,

611
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:04.840
explosive skate ies, I can detect
that. If you have an animal

612
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:07.639
that has a heightened sense of smell
and they can smell those explosives, they're

613
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:12.239
not gonna they're not gonna go around
it. But but we as humans,

614
00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:15.719
you know, we're gonna walk straight
forward and you know, boom, you

615
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:20.079
know, step on a landline.
But but anyway, long progress, they

616
00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:22.599
got a lot of long ways to
go for progress on that one. Absolutely,

617
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:28.920
absolutely so. So those are my
thoughts on it. Yeah, I

618
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:30.440
mean, good, good thoughts and
good point there, man, I'm not

619
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:38.920
going to volunteer to go now research
for rockets. Yeah, we'll still rely

620
00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:46.559
on said light imagery. And you
clearly never watched Tropic Thunder. Yeah,

621
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:52.920
it's an old French mine from fifteen
years ago. Poor guy. I never

622
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:58.199
saw it coming. No, no, And again, like there's there's a

623
00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:05.079
lot of stories I think again putting
together the research for this, you know,

624
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:07.639
a lot of sources are using the
same stories, and of course we

625
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:13.519
recounted those stories tonight. If anybody's
out there listening and you happen to be

626
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:15.960
serving in that time, one thank
you to feel free to report them does

627
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:20.480
as well. We'll be glad to
collect them and help kind of expand on

628
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:24.760
this this topic, I think for
and Matt to your point, you know,

629
00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:29.679
there were so many sightings from the
Viat Cong that that was what spurred

630
00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:36.199
the inquiry in seventy four. So
any of our folks would that would like

631
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:38.000
to share those stories, you know, we'd be willing to take them and

632
00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:42.519
again add them to this collection because
I think it's a pretty interesting part of

633
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:46.800
American history, you know, tied
into a terrible, terrible event that cost

634
00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:54.559
a lot of lives. How it
affects the world of cryptozoology is just fascinating.

635
00:56:55.480 --> 00:57:04.039
And the fact that you know,
we got some recorded sightings in that

636
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:08.599
tumultuous times pretty cool. Terrible,
but pretty cool. Any final thoughts of

637
00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:13.639
answered Baker on this before we wrap
it up, Well, you know,

638
00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:21.480
final thought is the plausibility. The
way I looked at it from just a

639
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:28.000
factual point of view, to say, well, what's the connection between things

640
00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:34.320
seen here and things seen there?
And to find it on the same longitude,

641
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:40.199
that's remarkable to me. That put
a nail into that's one nail in

642
00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:45.239
the coffin. That made it very
plausible to me to say, yeah,

643
00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:53.199
it seems that this is a very
plausible and a very likely thing that happened,

644
00:57:53.719 --> 00:58:00.039
and that these creatures probably do exist. And I would still say probably

645
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:07.280
still exist at least in the Asian
continent, but into Vietnam as well,

646
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:15.159
because so many of these places are
still undiscovered or undeveloped, and why not

647
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:21.000
it could live within those regions where
things have calmed down, and it could

648
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:27.920
live there and be fruitful and you
know, prosper as far as creating a

649
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:36.760
new family environment within itself. So
there you go, Baker. I think

650
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:40.800
that we have to look at it
from the perspective of if you went to

651
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:45.079
a foreign country and saw animals that
were there existingly, what would you consider

652
00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:50.840
and how would you explain it?
You might be seeing something that's completely legitimate,

653
00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:53.239
but you just don't know what it
is. I think that it's plausible.

654
00:58:53.400 --> 00:59:01.039
Problem is that you could you can't
resource we We personally can't resource research

655
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:07.119
it properly because the people that would
have boots on the ground don't show the

656
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:09.760
interest and secondly are afraid to go
out there because of ordinance that may kill

657
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:14.880
them. Oh fair enough, folks. Once again, you've been listening to

658
00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:19.440
the Sasquatch experience for Memorial Day.
You all be safe and take care of

659
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:23.480
yourselves. Henry's not here to say
those dulcet tones. Who wants to fill

660
00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:32.920
in for him tonight? Nah eenie
meanie miny moe in investigation put last.

661
00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:37.159
Well, there you go. Yeah, y'all be good or be good at

662
00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:40.320
it. There you go, you've
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663
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:45.719
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664
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