Why Me? Identifying Soul Lessons

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Oh, my goodness, I'm so happy to be back with you all again, for when Spirit calls. And today you've learned about our guests a little bit already. We have David here. Hi, David.

David T. Gross: Hello. so wonderful to be with you again after record a few years, right?

Gosh, it has been quite a few years. And so for you listening out there, David and I met quite a number of years ago. In fact, it was almost a decade ago, I think

David T. Gross: when was in your basement? Yeah.

Oh my gosh, just like a time ago. And you know, David actually reminded me that I had told him that something big was coming. And that there were that he was going to be helping massive people. And I had forgotten I told him that. And now he is doing all these incredible things. And now he's here on my podcast to share all of that with us. So I cannot wait, David. Oh my gosh,

David T. Gross: This is what we call alignment. Right?

Beautiful. I just love it so much. And I love that we found our way to each other again, this fall meeting at an event that we were both happened to be speaking at and facilitating for this. Oh, yes, yes, the world is always conspiring in our favor. So let's talk about this journey of yours and what you've been through since, you know, years ago, last time we had connected I would love to just tune in, and let's have a conversation about what has happened in your life. How did spirit call to you, and lead you into this incredible path that you're in. So I'm gonna let you take it away?

David T. Gross: Oh, the concept of when spirit called to me goes back actually, to childhood for me. But spirit was calling me through my mom and my grandmother, which is kind of cool. So my grandmother and my mother had gifts of awareness and insight, whatever language you want us to, to call them right now. And I remember my grandmother way back when I was born in the 60s. So this was probably in the late 60s and early 70s. When I would go and visit my grandmother. Well, I did that log, and she would read tea leaves for people. And the whole protocol, right? Drink the tea, turn over the cup, turn it three times had it back and she'd read the leaves. And she said to me, when nobody else was around, David, I don't need the leaves. It's like, Oh, okay. But it was a it was an easy way for her to know, it was a it was the way that she could get people to be at ease with the work with the receiving aid because there were things in place, right? So I grew up in a family with my mom and my grandmother where my grandmother, for example, at one time said, Oh, and so and so came to visit last night, by the way, she's passed away, and she said, hey, there was no pain. You were right, I'm good. And then of course, your cause would come into the family. And we definitely know that we knew that. And even with with an aunt of mine, she had a picture above every stair going up from the first floor to the second floor of her home. And every once in a while we would walk over we would go over and she would say oh, all the pictures were turned like five or 10 degrees all tilted last night. And then she would say Well, yeah, so and so came to visit. So I grew up in a family where this was not unusual. And it was considered comfortable. It was like yeah, that's kind of cool, right? So the Wind Spirit calls part here. This is where it gets so amazing for me I've been doing connection work at the level of recording connected work and compiling connected work for 40 years. So it's been quite a while of this journey and And when Spirit calls kind of started when I was living in Japan in the 80s, and I would call my mom from Japan and she would answer the phone not knowing was me This is before called display and all of that, right? And she would pick up the phone on Wednesday at two in the afternoon and say, Hey, David, how are you doing? And I didn't call her that much because my phone bills were expensive, as expensive as my rent. So it wasn't a daily weekly kind of thing, right? And she always knew it was me. And when I lived in Vancouver for seven years apart from her, I spoke with her every night of like, for seven years, I would miss maybe one night a week. And I would call her at 11 o'clock in Edmondson time. And if she didn't answer right away, I knew that she'd probably either the news was finished or she went to bed early. So I'd say we'll call me back tomorrow. And I said we do have called display now. So you know, it's me. It's not like Japan where we didn't have that. So all was good. And we and she joked and said, just let it ring a little bit longer. Like I was called it my cold eyed ring to I'd let it ring twice. That was my cold. Call me back if you're awake, if not call me tomorrow. And when Spirit calls Kang so powerfully in 2008, when my mum had was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, and it was misdiagnosed for so long, and I understand now the reasons for that at a soul level, I get the reasons for that. Although at the time, I did not understand it because it was so painful for her and difficult for us. And a couple of days before my mom passed, I remember sitting at her bedside, I couldn't even touch her because she was in so much pain. But I had to say to her, we need a cold because I need we need to figure out how I'm going to know it's you coming back, right that kind of thing. And she said to me and pardon the pun, but she said deadly seriously, David, we don't meet a code, you're gonna know it's me. And that was a Wednesday evening at eight o'clock. She passed away on a Wednesday evening eight o'clock. So that was a couple of days prior to that on Friday at noon, so Wednesday evening to Friday morning, however many hours that calculates out to be we were sit I have this home on a ravine and nobody around us and it was the it was the end of February it was kind of chilly. Well tundra, what I call a Canada tundra at the time. And I remember having this hankering was today's love day and a bit after she passed. I thought I gotta go outside. I just gotta go outside. So I opened the screen doors stepped out on the patio and these wind chimes that my dad had built tied up for the winter as one would do and kiss. One of them was loosen was going Ding ding ding, ding ding. And I thought, well, there's my sign. There's Tagada that got it. And my grandmother, my my grandfather was a conductor. My mum was a piano teacher. And she used to whistle they could both Whistle, whistle classical music and she would whistle to the birds in the rain and they would answer and there was one particular bird that had this really unique whistle like you wouldn't hear it much. But she they would always kind of communicate. So I opened the door heard the chimes heard the whistle thinking all There we go. That's my mum. And I thought it was good. I thought I got it. I really needed that sense of connection with her. And then with within a few breaths, I knew that we weren't done. So I came into the into the room I put up at that time. It wasn't a laptop, it was a desktop computer. So I turned on the computer, turned on the monitor, put a Word document onto the monitor turned off the monitor. So I couldn't see a thing. And I just started typing. And I was just taking it away. I couldn't even tell you how long 15 minutes 20 minutes are no. And when I finished because I was just in this zone. I turned on the monitor went back and started reading and the first part was it's me. Here's where I am. Here's who I'm with. And here's what that was all about. It's like, whoa, whoa. So there's were spirits sort of speaking to me in the form of my mom. And then the final line was this. Oh, and by the way, when you open that door and heard those chimes bring it outside. That was the sign that the door is now open. And that began a journey. And that was Saturday. That was Friday at noon. I slept in her bed she passed away in her bed it was It was horrific. In the experience. It was just so horrific. And I couldn't do anything I was calling in everybody just help her and there was no help that was available. And I understand now I got the soul lessons that they came a little bit later. They don't come always instantaneously, right? Yeah. However, Saturday, which was the beginning of March, Saturday, Sunday, sorry, March, April, May, June, July, five months in a row, we've compiled over 180 chapters. So I would wake up in the morning, go to the computer again. I had a title in mind, I put the title on there, turn off the Word document or turn off the monitor and start typing and everyday 123 chapters of a couple of 1000 words a piece just started flowing to me and through me. So that's kind of sort of how spirit started calling me in that very visceral tangible. You can see it you can hold it, you can read it kind of sort of wait.

Wow. Wow. Oh, there's so much that I want to speak to around this whole experience. No, first of all, I think it's so incredible, David that you've been able to take an experience that many of us would, you know struggle and might be traumatic for people or have a great sense of grief around low. It's amazing to see how much you alchemize this beautiful gift of your mother into the This way of expressing and sharing your light on the world. So first, I will celebrate that.

David T. Gross: Thank you for that, because that that really touches me in the heart because I haven't shared this story with many people with a couple of close friends. And then like my godmother, for example, just like oh, send me more, because it was months in a row, right? Hey, and I'm not I'm not saying that it wasn't traumatic. But I'll tell you what. And it took a while it took actually, no, it was a relief more than anything and a release. Yes, it was to have hurt like, even when the first the first day, Hey, it's me, here's where I am. And here's who I'm with. And here's what it's all about. And then by the way, that was a sign that the door is now open. When my dad came home. Probably half an hour later, he I said read this. And he read it and said that sounds like your mother. And I said, No kidding. And he said, How did that happen? I said, I don't know that. But I do know, I do know that it it released for me. The sense of grief, from the perception that she was gone, right? Because she was like so present with me so discerning with me, right? And then when I got the soul level message about why I couldn't help her cuz I'd been doing connected work for at that time, 20 years. Why couldn't I help her because I like it was calling everybody I could pay angels up there in spirit got like, everybody, just help her please. And there I was getting nothing. And I took it personally, it's like, come on, come on, I got more power than that. And then the lesson was made very clear to me that this was part of her soul contract your agreements. And I asked the question to whoever you ask whatever language you use there be a god or God source energy or cosmic consciousness, whatever all that is I said, How come my mum such a loving person would be required to go through such physical difficult, challenging her transition? And the answer was this. It is because she's such a loving person, because in her agreements, Soul agreements with her family, she agreed to take on all of the pain that all of her family members would have experienced in their lives, Present Past and Future. And, and have that come to and through her so that she could protect us from having to experience that level of pain.

Oh, I'm just covered in goosebumps with that. i There's so much energetic in pieces to that. Because, you know, so many people that I've spoken to that are going through some suffering, they're going through emotional pain, they're going through spiritual pain, physical pain, and they're like, Why? Why is this happening to me? Why? Why, you know, I'm asking for help. And I'm still stuck in this place, and I can't get out of this place. And it's so powerful, what you just said, you said, Well, you realize that she had decided she had chose it was an agreement, there was an agreement to face yeah, for her to take that pain on for to save, you know, transmute

David T. Gross: it transmit, transmit is probably the best word here. Yeah. So that we would not experience that level of pain in our lives, really. And here's the thing about this type of work where where we're receiving insights and guidance and wisdom and knowledge and all of that, from the Akash and beyond. It's, it has come to me or become to me something that I cannot question. Because at a level of my being that I can't explain, sometimes don't even have the words to express. It makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. It just makes sense. There's an inner knowingness. Like, that makes sense. I'm not making this up. Yeah, I do sessions that go five hours in length sometimes, and I seriously, I'm intelligent, but I cannot be going for five hours out of my head. But no script, that's still gonna happen. So when we when we receive a flow or a stream of insight, to me, I guess maybe to take it a little bit the next step further. But what do we do with all of this is? I don't question I don't doubt, yeah, I reside into trusting that this is showing up for a reason. There is value to this that I perhaps don't even, I'm not able to able to comprehend right now. And then I also trust that in time, over time, when the time is right, clarity will come. And it will make sense to me in some way.

Well, and that's the thing I think that we forget, because we think that we're supposed to get the value in real time, right? It's like I had it. Why How come I live with Bill Watson's? Like, how come I'm not seeing the good in this right? And then we beat ourselves up for not being able to see the good in it. But the reality is, is that that value sometimes shows up much later.

David T. Gross: The first words that come to mind for me is like processing time, but I don't but here's the thing, I want to just unravel what processing just pain to me means to me, processing is perhaps equally in equal measure as much trying to figure it out as much at it as it might be for me just kind of reflecting on my experiences in life, releasing my own thoughts and beliefs, usually negative thoughts and limiting beliefs that have been taught to me by others around me or the community, or the culture, or the world itself, or the media, whatever it happens to be. Sometimes that processing for me is gaining a level of clarity, which means releasing or learning how to release. And actually, I can't release if I can't identify them. So I have to start with the awareness and then the acknowledgement to be able to allow myself to release to certain like thoughts or negative thoughts of limiting beliefs to get to the clarity, because when I'm in the way, clarity is not gonna Well, actually, here's the thing, when I'm in the way, clarity, stare, I just can't see it yet.

Exactly, exactly. Oh, man, I, there's such power in having conversations like this, David, because I think what I'm really seeing here is for all the people that are in pain, emotional, physical, rather than them believing they did something wrong, or it's a card old hat, or they're being punished for anything. I think the opportunity is, oh, my soul needs this, it asked for this, it made a commitment for me to transmute this pain for the world for the people I love. And if we can come at it from that perspective, right? All of a sudden, it's like, wait a second, I'm doing this on behalf of, and it's not so much about you. But it's about the entire collective consciousness then.

David T. Gross: So it it is about us at a soul level, but it's through extension, or by extension, to me anyway, with my understanding of this work connecting us with our soul family. Yeah, yeah. Which is higher, maybe it's more oversold and high in the concept of seeing family rather than just my higher self, which is individually individuated across lifetimes and timelines course.

Yeah, I think it just gives us permission in a way to say, Okay, I'm not being punished because I'm a bad person or did something wrong? I, on some level, my higher self?

David T. Gross: Can I share a really quick story? Yes, it's in connection. It's not. It's not a reflection on that exact concept. But it's connected. So I haven't experienced that I've had a number of experiences in my life where family members, siblings, and close, close close cousins, just for example, here have in the 3d level, my perception was that really hurt. Like you're just taking me to the cleaners here. And especially after my mum passing, and then my dad passing, it's like, whoa. And at the time, I took everything personally. And because I'm empathic, and also compassionate, I was the one calling the guilt of that day didn't seem to care at all about certain things. But I was holding on to all of that. And then this into this kind of insight came to me. So sometimes I was judging myself, I was sure I was judging them. But I was judging myself more harshly, I was holding myself in blame and shame for not making things better, not making up and all that kind of stuff there. And then I realized, at a soul level, like I'm not going to go on a segue here for a story. I have a favorite teacher, I think most of us do. Maybe from my favorite teacher was from elementary school, my grade six teacher, I loved her so much that you know, great seventh grade, eighth grade, and I go back and visit j, we go back to see her just because she was so important to us that I honestly can't remember probably the lessons that she taught me, which were came from coming from a book, but she taught me compassion, she taught me connection, she taught me the value. Actually, she taught me Ah, here's a deeper truth, she saw me. Ah, so she taught me the Brene Browns work, she taught me that it was okay to be myself in order to belong, rather than trying to fit in by being someone else, right? So I saw so highly valued her. And yet, if I look at the concept of holding, the words that most people will use would be forgiveness. So this is kind of tapping into that, holding people to a certain level level of energy here. It doesn't make sense to me to use the word forgiveness with in the concept or in connection in the sentence with my favorite teacher on the planet. Okay, what would I have to forgive her for? I mean, I loved her so much. And she taught me so much about life that I will never, ever forget her. I've got a picture of her on my phone even like, she's so important to me. So because she as my favorite teacher is such an impactful, passionate teacher in my life. I hold her in such high esteem. Why would I then judge someone who's teaching me two lessons, which I would interpret as being difficult or challenging? Who we ask someone who's a sibling who's taken me to the cleaners, like really often. Anyway, this this happens, right? We know that oftentimes, if there's an estate involved in their siblings more than the parents are gone, and then money's involved, things are not gonna be that easy. There's gonna be things that are hitting the fan and like it's not it's not a great situation for many people many times, right? And it was not good. It was not easy for us that I realized my sisters I'll just use the words that I've used before my sister is fight for lack of a better word, or money. was actually at the soul level my lesson to learn to value myself. And when I got to that depth of love was like, Oh, I can it. So now it's and also Dolores Cannon love her work. There was one interview that I saw her on on YouTube. And she said she made one statement, which is going to tie into the whole concept of this higher levels of connection with us, she made one statement. And she said, just, it was a message that she'd received many, many times. And she said, just please remember, please remember, don't create any new karma. So when I had a very difficult, challenging hard couple of years, going through all of this after my parents had passed away with siblings, and cousins, and other relatives, for example, when I realized, oh my god, I get I understand at the soul level what this was all about. Now, I have this sense within me, I can't explain it, I can't judge, I can't judge it, I can't qualify it, I can't make anyone believe what I how the way that I see it. The thing is this, I have this sense that when my sister and I are no longer in physical form, when we're back up in wherever that happens to be, if up is the direction that we go in, for example, we are going to throw our arms around each other and love each other and hold each other and say, Oh, we got it, we got it figured it out. We figured it out. And we didn't have to go back and try to make it better because we got the lesson. So this is the concept of soul lessons. Sometimes matching maybe more often than not, they come wrapped up in packages that are really difficult to deal with and really difficult to face. And on the surface, we don't see them as gifts, but at a soul level from that level of awareness to me. And it doesn't mean that I'm going to see everything as a gift every time when it's flattering you upside the head until you get down to it and doesn't mean that at all. Yeah, but over time with a little bit of reflection and introspection when I don't look at that one over there that hurt me and they're looking them over there that did that to me, per se right holding, blaming and shaming all kind of stuff there. None of that. But when I look at myself and say, Wow, how am I stronger, wiser or more insightful because of that. And then kind of three, four steps in a process number one, hold on to that which is deep and dark and heavy. Number two, turn the hand over, put a VLOOKUP Bagua mirror on the back of your hand and say, I'm just doing self reflection here. what did this mean for me potentially at a higher level of my my being? Yeah, when I can get an awareness of what that might be doesn't mean I'm going to get the answer, like you said, doesn't come right away. But when I have an insight into Oh, has made it what that's all about here. And maybe sometimes the clearing out in space and people in your life is to make room for that which is at a higher level of vibration, I get it. So then the third step of four is to see the value sense into the value that actually has great value. Because oftentimes think about people who have horrific accidents, who say coming through it, like maybe however long it takes to get back to health and well being but they say greatest gift ever, right sometimes. So the third step of four is to see proceed hold on to the value. But that to me at a soul level does not mean that the work is complete, and the chords have been released, to meet the energetic chords of connection are released, where you can hold gratitude for the experiences say I understand. I hold gratitude. Thank you for the gift that you offered me even though man that was really hard. I get it now. See, I It really hurt. And it was really deep. And it was really dark. It was really difficult. But I understand the lesson I understand the value. I get it and now I hold gratitude for that went back to my teacher, how would I hold? How could I hold any anger against someone who's gifted me the most powerful lesson that maybe at the highest possible level here I had an agreement with them to come back and actually work that through Wow, right?

I love this conversation because it helps us to really start to see the truth of things. And I think it's hard to do when we're in it like you said, you know, when we're when we're looking to happen, you know, it's like okay, we just got to be in that space honor the feelings right? And eventually the we get out of our way as you mentioned.

David T. Gross: So sometimes using the via car or vehicle metaphor, rather than stepping on the gas of my anger or stepping on the gas of my blame or whatever whatever good whatever it happens to be of holding on to rather than coming on the brakes and trying to push it away. How about we just go to neutral and that neutral state of the middle there's a pay I don't know what it is right now. I have no idea where this is going right now. When I also realized that I myself that's pretty hard because I did that talk in 3d here so the me that I know doesn't have all the answers right now but the Wii which is me connected to the higher self the Me me me I don't have the answers right now but we in connection with my higher self, it'll come to light it will come to let a trust that and therefore I'm just going to go neutral for a while here especially when things feel deep and dark and difficult kind of heavy. I it's not going to serve me to try to figure it out

Right? And then that's what I call coasting. Yes, exactly. When we can just be in the coasting phase where it's like, okay, I don't need to resist what I'm feeling. I don't need to start it all figured out. I can just be in coasting phase. I love that.

David T. Gross: Can I add to that then too, because from my perspective module I've been receiving, like insights and information for I've got, this is kind of crazy. I have 1500 hours of audio and video of me on stages, that I've never seen the light of day because I while that's something else about solace to be holding on to the fear of being seen that cold like they're so in the coasting experience, what I would add to that, is putting myself maybe in the passenger seat to the receiving allowing myself to receive Yes, so I'm coasting. So yeah, I'm in the driver's seat still. But I'm also kind of got me over there. And he's in the receiving Yes, energy of I don't know what it is right now. But if you've got any insights for me, any anybody up here? I'm willing to receive? Yeah, I'm open. Yeah.

I talked about the willingness to receive all the time. Because, yes, a big issue for everything. Yes. Right. If we can't receive, you know, then we're giving and giving, feeling depleted, and we're giving and giving, feeling like we're not getting anything back, we've got to be willing to receive, right.

David T. Gross: And that that ties into, of course, self worth, and all of that, right. So that's a whole nother set of chapters. So there it is.

Yes, it is. David, you went through this experience, you've written all these books, you know, what has been kind of the big things, the big messages that you learned, I mean, you've already shared a bit, I love this three, but I love the key things that you're just like, I need to share this with the world, these are the things that people need to know.

David T. Gross: I'm going to start in general, and then go into more detail more specific. So in general, so I've done work, I would term myself call myself a seer, rather than a channeler. But that's because I have certain certain resistance to the concept of what it means to be a channeler only because I've seen other people being judged for doing that. And see or just seems a little bit more comfortable at all. So I have I have four threads of information, I've got the visual, I got the auditory, I got the emotion, and I got the meaning. So I got the meeting Carlos. Yeah, the meaning is very important to me, because many people who can see and hear and feel and all that, but don't know the meanings like well, I got to interpret that on my old one, which is had to give me the meaning. So from the meaning component, that's how I would use the term sear. So I've done my work individual group sessions now for 40 years in a number of countries, while Canada, the US, that's kind of an obvious have given for me, but also in Japan, in Korea, in Latin America get politically Korean correct here. So let's just say in China, in Vietnam, my partner is from Vietnam, right? So in Vietnam, in Cambodia, in Thailand, Indonesia, these Malisa in India into the Middle East. So I've been doing work in in quite a few countries for quite a few years. And what is astounding to me is, it's quite obvious I'm not even Oh, I realized that now it's like this pretty obvious, there are patterns of certain thoughts and beliefs that we're holding on to doesn't matter what our culture is, who our family, the family is that we grew up in, born to us or adopted by us, for example, in the community, there are certain patterns that I've recognized that I've identified, and some of the deep, deep underlying ones are going to be self worth. And I'm not enough in all of that, I totally get that. And the fear of being seen, I understand that fear of judgment is a big one, I have held out forever, hey, anger of judgment, but then the deeper level of fear of judgment for me is if you judge me, I have a strong belief that you're going to reject me. So it's actually rejection that comes from the judgment, that is what I'm really kind of afraid of, which is why 1500 hours of audio video that never seen the light of day beyond the studio, and because I'm afraid like, Oh, you're gonna judge me all that kind of state yet. So what I'm fascinated by is identifying the patterns, and the patterns that show up for individuals and groups, across countries and across continents and throughout cultures. That, to me is fascinating, which is why the whole concept of soul family really came into, into my awareness is like, what if, wow, what if we are all soul family, and we're all kind of sort of working on this in our own sort of unique ways. And therefore if we can share stories together about our experiences with some direction, okay, here's what that is. We're going to really support one another in individually, of course, collectively as a group on the planet and with our soul family as well. Why can I give you a really specific one? This really is this one kind of, I couldn't believe it when it came too late for me. So really quickly, when I was when I was in elementary school, probably eight 910 years old, walking four or five blocks to go to school. As we did in the 60s. There was a woman who had a home or house that was bordering on the lane that we had to go down to to get to the school, and she had his big, dark stained, brown stained fence and there was one day when somebody wrote to David my name and yellow wax crayon all over her friends. And she I was the only David that she knew in the hole in the community or in the blocks. So she went to my mom and dad and accused me of doing that. And I didn't do it, then my mum and dad said did you do? It's like, No, I didn't. I was, I didn't. So it was pretty easy for me to say no. But the thing is, ultimately, they made me clean that fence, which I interpreted. So this has been the way that humans interpret things, especially little kids, I interpret that interpreted that as you don't believe me? Yeah, it was probably easier just to keep the pace and clean the fence. And my dad, I mean, he had company that was doing that. So it was pretty easy to do. But to keep the peace, I cleaned, I cleaned the fence, crying the whole time I was doing it because I know that I didn't do that. However, the internal belief of you don't believe me, then grade seven in a language arts class. The direction was to write a poem. So I was already connected to all ideas receiving a whole lot of insights. And my mum, we had a library in the house she was well read vocabulary was something we talked about and, and she taught, slight put together this poem that I thought I thought was brilliant. And I said, I remember sitting at the dining room table reading this poem, putting it together, getting all the pictures, like there's the words, I got the words. And I remember going with my mom to the drugstore to get this blue, vellum, whatever. And we typed it out looking and typewriter days, right with the whiteout tape if you do actually make a mistake, so I typed it to make it perfect, and handed it into the teacher because I was so proud of my work. And she called my mom and the response that she said to my mom was there is no way that a child in grade seven could write this you must have written this, he gets a zero. And my mum, what could she say? She could defend me what she did. But the bottom line was my teacher didn't believe me. And that was the first connection where I was receiving intuitive insights. I was creating something with them. And yet I was presenting it so proud of my work. And the teacher didn't believe that it was my that was huge. And then lo and behold, a couple years ago, I went to Asia just after COVID When we could travel, and I had some COVID belly going on there as well. So I said to a friend of mine, one day, I said, Okay, I'm going to go to Asia for two months, three months, when I come back, you'll be able to get your arms around me exhibit a humorous saying and I'm going to lose my COVID belly, right? Because I was little, it makes sense to say that. And her response to me was the ham will see flippantly and so I took that as I actually I didn't even here's where it's so crazy when the patterns start showing up. I didn't realize how I reacted how I interpreted that. But that was another instance of usual belief me. Yes. Right. So it showed up to me. It showed up for me as an adult in ways that I had in the moment at the time. It was just a flippant response. And I took it personally and it shut me down. Wow. Alexa, when I was traveling to Asia, her friends got all piton Goldwater pictures, she got nothing. Because then I became a kid, right? I became a kid, right? Yeah. But a child is like who's who's all defensive and angry and feeling? Child? Yeah. And at that time, I was 16. Like, what?

It says, this is a really powerful conversation, because you know, how we respond to that particular situation is actually not usually about that particular situation. That's when hearing you say, right?

David T. Gross: Not at all, but I wasn't aware of that. And it was, because I was in class I was teaching, I was in classrooms teaching. And all of a sudden, the pieces started coming together. In my mind's eye. It's like, oh, I didn't want all the data is at the time I'd given for the time, I was an ad for a couple of months and came back. I didn't see any of that until I started, actually, here we go until I started talking about it. It's till I started processing what that was, and then I could expand my awareness to what might that be kind of go in neutral, posting a little bit there? What might that be? And then boom, boom, boom, these pictures came back, like, oh, that's what it is.

You know, I just I love this so much. Because I recently had this happened to me, I was really triggered because I was told that I wasn't going to be welcomed into a space to do readings anymore, which was like, depths of rejection, I didn't know what I did wrong, they've not communicated what I did wrong. So I have no idea. So of course, my wheels start going and I go into this deep place of despair. But what I recognize is the pattern of rejection for me. So I recognize I know the universe is aligning me with places that are of my highest good. I know this, and I do understand that. And what was so profound, however, was that I looked back at all these moments of rejection, and not just in this lifetime, but other lifetimes. Exactly. And so then all of a sudden, I was like, Oh, my God, like, this is such a theme for me. And I'm so afraid of rejection, it hurts so much, because it's someone saying you don't belong here.

David T. Gross: That's right. Well, you don't belong. You're not good enough. Whatever it happens to be because we we can interpret that with so many different facets of the mirrorball, right?

Yeah. Yeah. So you know, this topic.

David T. Gross: I love that you share that it goes across lifetimes as well, because I have a story that the infant got the time I got a story to share with you that rocked my world when it came to light.

Okay, I want to hear it. So, I do want to just remind our audience, you know, what David really brought to the surface is notice the patterns. So I think that's one of the big things love big lessons that you wanted to bring to the surface and what you list was like, There's patterns here. So if we can find the patterns, oftentimes we can find the answers to our healing journey.

David T. Gross: Let's put a step in between when we are aware of the patterns and we can get knowledge but they are we opened the door into the receiving of what that might be. And sometimes sometimes we will get the answer sometimes quickly, sometimes over time, sometimes we gotta go see a therapist who's trained in this to get us there. Yeah, we can't do it on our own. Right?

Yes, yes. Okay, tell us the story.

David T. Gross: So this is kind of, it's less surreal for me. And it's, here's the thing in now that I have the awareness of this. And the ignorance of awareness to me comes first and the acknowledgement, you can't ignore something, if you're not aware of it. So the awareness came, and then then the acknowledgement, and then it's like, oh, like, can it. So my life, I've been a teacher for 40 years in school systems and corporate, like, I've been teaching professionally. And I guess that's the best word you can use. I've been teaching in a professional environment for 40 years, at universities, and corporations, and school boards and all of that. And always, when you're hired to teach a course, to develop a course, to teach a course, to train a course. And to facilitate all of that. My experience has been that the companies, the organizations who hire you, typically are going to make majority from my experience 75% or more of the money that they're charging for you goes into their pocket than they pay you, whatever that happens to be there. And I've always been okay with that. Because I was able to justify, and even for friends and people that I know in business, who said, Hey, can you build me out a presentation for PowerPoint? Because I'm doing this presentation for London? It's like, Well, sure. But I could never ask for payment for that. Because to me, I would justify it by saying, I'm, oh, there we go, I can I could start weaving the pick the pieces together here, I would never be comfortable asking for payment. And then never would ask for payment. Because if I would put together take me 50 hours to put together a PowerPoint presentation way before AI could be doing it much faster. For example, if I put the presentation together, and it was very successful for them. Let's say it will be successful, because I've got a master's in education here like like I've been doing education for a long time. So it's not going to be it's not not going to be good. However, the fear that someone might judge me if it's not what they're looking for, not exactly what they want. If they had paid me for that, I would feel like I kind of ripped them off, right? There's not a good thing. So doing it for free was always the way to give it a week, it was my way of validating my own worst self trying to my vain attempt. It's at Validating my own worst. But here's the same when the insight came to me how come because I've got businesses now. I mean, maybe as many countries as you are, I'm in eight 910 14, while 8945 countries on the ground, and eight or nine other ones kind of you know, virtually right now, coming on the ground soon. However, it's a challenge for me, it's much easier for me to promote you and set your fees and ask for fees for you, then it would be for myself, right like I'm doing it for myself is not going to retire comfortably. And there was one insight that came to me and we'll get to get to the nugget here because I storytelling go on tangents a little bit here. So bringing it back home. There was one insight that came to me and it was a question that was posed to me. And the question was this, do you remember being sold into slavery? And when the question came, I thought, let me just search around up in there. No, I don't remember that. But then I got a little bit deeper. It's like, Oh, just a second here. I do have memories of other people. Determining my value determining my worth with me on the platform, something around my neck, something around the ankles, they were barking out the cost or the feed that someone will have to pay for me. They were taking all the money, and I was sold off sold all of that a couple of times. I know 12 times being lifetimes. And then it came to me all that's why setting my own price or setting my own feet. No, I've made a connection with money being money. I'm not saying money is slavery, but money brings other money gives other people control over me. Yeah. So when I put that together, it was astounding in that. And there's one woman that I've worked with for a decade. And she's well like a PR person. She does the contracts and she puts it all together. And she tells me where to go and what to do when I build the course and do the whole thing. And they take 75% and think that that's not a mobile speaker's bureau kind of thing, however, and I realized, oh, wow, when I saw the image, it was like, You gotta be kidding me, man. I saw the image in my mind is clear, as clear as day that she was one of the guys big muscled all tatted up guys in whatever country that I was being auctioned off in. Who was telling people what I was worth and taking the money for me. It's like, what do you mean? So what what if I, how could I prove this? I can't prove anything. But what if this woman that I've been working with for 10 years who's promoting me But keeping so much blood 6070 Sometimes 80% of what I'm generating through my work, she's keeping it all What if just what if she is that soul level where she was that person way back when different gender different body totally hair, who was putting me up on the block and determining my value and my price, keeping all the money for me. And I had no control and I couldn't break free. And what if I just bought into that overtime was like, why I? I don't know what to do. So I'll just acquiesce and say, okay, like, it's not okay. But say, Well, what can I do and can sort of give up? Right? What if we have an agreement now, where she came back in that form when I came back in this form, and now she's the woman who's promoting me, still keeping a lot of money here? But what if the soul lesson is for me it once again, like my sister to value myself? So there we go. There's a pattern that I had to put together before but the lesson to learn to value myself, it's like, oh, and then the question becomes, okay, what do I do with that now? Right? Oh, let's, when we have when we have the awareness. Okay, good. We're wired to the gates. We're on the track. Now what?

Now what? That is the question, and I'm actually moving through a lot of my value, limiting beliefs as well right now, so I love they are compelled to share that story. Because I think as lightworkers as people who are stepping in to this healing role in the world, this yes, you know, we have so many insecurities and so many vulnerabilities because of the persecution because of the condemnation over many, many, many years. And so we question our value many of us have also been nuns and, you know, fall into that being in service category, right? And

David T. Gross: Yes, I've got 14 lifetimes as a monk that I remember, up until the other countries I can tell you the age I can tell and I can tell you the bill, I can react I'm live not well, I've obviously lived in but I've read lived them. I know them. Yes. But there's there's a word that you used. And I can't remember right now. But I want to go back and reflect on that. When it comes to the society or the culture or the world is the state of the world as it is right now. What if the awareness of a soul lesson of the fear of being seen fear of being judged fear of being rejected and all of that, but when we here's the thing, I've been doing the work for so many years, and I have so much content? I've got a hard drives, you'll love this stuff. Listen, like I said, never like, hence my social medias. Like that's kind of, there's not a whole lot there. And the odd one, because I've always I've been holding, but that's also soul lessons like no, I need to, we need to get that out. We need to get this out. But what if the deeper level here is not just the awareness of the fact of why we're holding back and why we're afraid of being seen and why we're afraid of the judgment and why we're afraid of rejection or whatever it happens to be. But what if the soul lesson is when we get it and say, Okay, I get it, I understand you. I am not appreciative necessarily of the pain that I had to go through and the challenges that I felt going through this by get it, and therefore I can hold gratitude for that. And with that simple act of gratitude. I could like candy floss in your hand with organic loss in your mouth, it can dissolve the connections to that. So I don't need to do to repeat the pattern. Yeah. It's just the I don't have to Well, I might but ever have to go to a therapist to figure out why. Once I get the why. And I see the connections across lifetimes and timelines. Once I've got the awareness of the connections of the soul lessons. Okay, now, I might take a little bit of time to process Sure. But once I've got it, candyfloss in the most dissolved, we're good. And then what it means is getting in the car getting back in the vehicle, because we are the vehicle and never looking back in the rearview mirror taking the rearview mirror out of the vehicle. So all you're doing is looking forward. Ah, right.

You know, this sounds like the protocol that Linda Howe teaches. And Linda Howe is a practitioner of cachexia, you must know her yes. Is awareness, acceptance, appreciation and appropriate action.

David T. Gross: There we go. Yes.

Essentially, what you're saying here, like, these are the steps as we continue to see all this shit stuff come to the surface. You know, if we go through those steps, we alchemize that energy, we move forward in a way that allows us to be really truly on our divine path and not get pulled into the undercurrent of the fear or the worry or the stress of the world.

David T. Gross: Yesterday, you've used the words shit and alchemy. So the ship and the heavy than the difficult stuff there actually we see as being diamonds and gold. Yes, because it's got value. It's gotten valued. Yeah, there's value there. And so once we can transmit, transmit whatever it happens to be the deepest, dark and the difficult and the heavy by reflecting on the value, then we can hold the gratitude. If I'm in gratitude, there, I can't hold on to fear. I can't hold on to blame. I can't hold on to shame. I can't hold on to anything that doesn't feel good that weighs you down on the vibrational scale there. If I'm in gratitude, it doesn't exist. Yes, it doesn't exist love. So what it means to me is a set finding the patterns figuring out and then just seeing the patterns initially, then being open to receiving what might this be and with some guidance, I mean, you offer guidance, I offer guidance to many on the planet who are offering guidance into insight and have the wisdom and the gifts and the knowledge and what that means for us. And then with a little bit of help a little bit of coaching, a little bit of counseling, whatever you want to call it, some people may be at the end of the kind of end of the spectrum, little bit of therapy. Yeah, figure it out. So that they don't care. It was, here's why we saw a bit of a tangent again. But here's why I found most of the women that I'm working with don't move forward faster. Because they have created an identity around the pain. They've connected their identity to the pain, yeah, and therefore stepping into the unknown, which is that that coasting in the middle they're stepping into the unknown is not a great place to be, because we don't know what's coming next. So if we have built an identity around who we are based on our pain, or the challenges or the difficulties in our life, and we can't, there's no way that we can get because the awareness is around the what isness not about the why. Yes. Right.

So David, we're coming to a close here. And I know there's so much more that we can be going off on. But what's one more thing that you want people to know that's important about their experience here as human beings in this three dimensional world? Is there a quote? Is there something profound that you just love to share?

David T. Gross: I don't know if it's profile? Well, it's profound to me, I don't know if it will be from from for others. I have been so afraid of judgment, my whole life. And it also comes from being a gay kid, who knew when you're six and seven that you don't fit in, but don't know why they don't belong, but don't know why that takes to becoming an adult, like, oh, that's what that is. But I've been told that this is this is wrong, right? So it's the not fitting in part, not fitting in and not belonging part there. So the fear of judgment part, one I've come to realize, and actually realizing it's not enough what I've come to be aware of, and to acknowledge and to accept, yes. And then to allow myself to actually go there is the truth, the deeper truth, that I am judging myself more harshly and seriously, than the fear of what other people judging me. So the overarching soul level lesson for me has been whenever I feel like I'm judging myself, and sometimes I won't even realize what I'm doing. But if I'm questioning myself or doubting myself, or judging others, the judgment that I hold for others is based on the fact that is probably a reflection like shadow work of the judge Amin side anyway. So I, when I came to the understanding years ago, that I'm the one who's here we go, it's Sorry, pardon the language here, but I'll just go there for a second here. So I'm born in the Year of the ox 1961. So that's my Asian horoscope. So it's like having an ox cart, an ox that's pulling the cart. And it's kind of hard work. It's like, man, we're going through some deep and dark and difficult stuff here. But imagine, I'll just use the words because I can't try to be politically correct right now. So imagine that the ox is shitting in the, on the ground, but goes into the cart. So whatever's coming out of the box goes into the cart. And so it's deep and dark and difficult and heavy, because the box is full is pulling the cart full of its own shit. Sorry, but it'll cut a sort of great analogy. But But Well, I also because I'm an Alex and that so when I, when I'm judging myself, when I'm doubting myself, when I have in the past, just myself, doubted myself questioned myself, and then maybe what has come out in judgment or doubt, or something else about other people. And I realize that I'm just filling up my own cart of my old bullshit, which is kind of sort of what it is the bullshit beliefs that are not mine, they're, they're not a reflection of my higher self in connection with all that I am and all it is. And so when I can recognize wool, that card is full my own stuff here, I start clear some of that out. And the way to clear it, and sometimes, it doesn't have to be hard work for me. All it has to be awareness, acknowledgement, acceptance on moving forward, finding the cookie, I see it for what it is now. And therefore I can let it go. And I grew up in Zen that didn't grow up in but I spent, I actually metaphorically speaking as an adult grew up in Zen temples in Japan. And a Zen master would say, like, okay, hold a cup in your hand, okay, put it down. So your hand is empty. Now put the cup down. It's like, I can't put the cup down because I'm not holding on to the company said exactly. You can't let go of something you're not holding on to. Hmm. Right. So if I realized that the cart, the ox cart crushin, like the bullshit beliefs, and lots of emotions, everyone not emotions, because emotions are bullshit. They're real. But the bolstered beliefs and thoughts and thoughts and beliefs that are in that cart are my own, when I can come to the awareness of that and acknowledge that and acceptance of that. And I can say, hey, I understand that. I just I'm able to let that go. Yeah. And then it just becomes catching myself when I get caught up in trying to in the old 3d stuff of forgetting who I am. Yes, I love them getting who I am.

Thank you for that analogy. And here's to live for the language here. Oh, no, we're good here. And you know here is to remembering who we are because that's ultimately what we're after to remit is our So David, what have you got in store for our people, our listeners, if they felt resonate with you and they feel compelled to reach out to you? How can they do that? Well What does that look like?

David T. Gross: I love that you've just used the word remembering because my sacred journey is I take women on sacred journeys into Asia. Cambodia is my new favorite place Thailand was for for decades and more. Cambodia is my new favorite. Because there's a temple there, there's a combination of the sacred masculine, divine feminine, its most amazing place. And my journey is I call a journey of remembering and reconnecting, which means remembering who we are, and reconnecting with all that is right now on the higher scale there. So I'm compiling. It's a never ending, ever evolving document. It's a PDF. But it's remarkable to me where I'm taking all of the work that I'm doing in whatever countries I happen to be in with the individuals that I'm working with. And I'm identifying very simple questions that we can ask ourselves. The questions themselves seem rather simple. It's not always easy to get to the answer. Actually, maybe it's not always easy to to look at what we're getting as the answer to the insights here. But I'm building and I will share where it is right now in the evolution of this document here, a document that helps us to assess in what areas of our life and in what ways how are our soul lessons showing up for us that we're not even aware of?

Beautiful, I love it.

David T. Gross: We don't see them? We can't see them because we're in it. Right? We're in the coolant

thoughts, right? It's like, I can't read my palm. If my hand is right there, right. It's just Yes. For me.

David T. Gross: So so this is a series Yes, a series of statements and questions. And they're they're very, very simple. I mean, there's so simple, you think, well, I should be pretty obvious. And what we do is okay, basically what's resonating and then we look at the scale from one to 10. One being bad. Now that's not me, that doesn't make sense to 10 is like our Yeah, must do. Well, now one, right. Hey, and then we then we assess, okay, well, so we're looking at the 789, kind of vibrational response at a 789 out of 10, or 10, out of 10. It's like, okay, if we don't know what's going on, and we don't know why something is happening, or why it's showing up here. Now, then I've got I've got one thought, hundreds of snaps, I call them snapshots, snapshot insights, to help us now work through the process to figure out what does that mean for us? What is that perhaps at a soul level? Not saying it's always soul level for everybody? And not saying that we have all the answers because we don't because I can guide you. But the answers will be unique to you. However, so the initial assessment is what's going on Where's where are things there, and then the follow up stages are, oh, I want to check that or I want to check that or I want to check that out. And the this is channeled, these are channeled insights that give us the insight into from a soul level from our higher self. What this is.

Brilliant. So that's the gift and that will be in the shownotes, folks. So for those of you listening, that gift will be in the show notes, you'll be able to get with that and connect with David from there, David, oh, my gosh, you're such a ball of energy and life, I am so grateful that we were able to spend this time together. I can't wait to spend more time with you. We got to talk about your renewal and things that you're doing. And I am really looking forward to what's what's maybe in store for the two of us too. I have a few little thing.

David T. Gross: At the event in October, we didn't have enough time to get our arms around and children sit and talk to each other. We dance but I love that I want that. I don't want I don't want to say I want because that's kind of tofu language and keep that I value that time with you. Because we will have conversations we will have we will explore assets of the beer ball the way that I see a lot of things in the world that won't come to light, if that will come to light because we are in connection.

That's it. Oh, can't wait. Okay. We're going to do a little follow up my friend.

David T. Gross: Thank you, my friend. Thanks.

All right. Well, thank you all for tuning in to another episode of When Spirit Calls and I cannot wait for you to join us when we are back again in a couple of weeks. So until then, take care lots of love. Thank you, David.

David T. Gross: Thank you.

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