What's In Rinna’s Envelope & Raven... Why Are You Doing Jumping Jacks?

0:06 Hi, you're listening to my Reality Says podcast, brought to you by My Therapist. As we're here to discuss everything pop culture, influencers, blind gossip, and of course reality TV. We put the tea in reality. This week, we're going to be discussing the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills finale reunion episode, a new episode of Salt Lake City, Bling Empire, and the first four episodes of Love Is Blind. We're gonna start off with the Beverly Hills reunion. I can't even believe that we made it through this season.

0:51 I think we deserve a medal. How was that whole like Elton John fiasco? Like this season, it's been a whole roller coaster. Wait, that was this season? I thought it was like at least two seasons ago. No, that was this season. Like so much has happened, and I feel like the biggest drama is like the last two episodes, and it's just been a lot. We've been through it. While we finally survived the two boring, kind of unnecessary reunion episodes and we finally got to Kathy and Rnham and Kyle We'll stand down, So yeah, and Cathy showed up like a queen and her slippers saying hi girls, like so condescendingly, Like I love her the way she throws shade. It's like the classiest way to throw shade.

1:47 I love it. Also, I love how no matter what, and like every time she's on screen anywhere, she always somehow brings up Paris and how Paris invented something that's my cool. No, that's my favorite thing about her. And she's like the most supportive all this. So I would have invented Barbie Core. It's so cute, it's giving jazzy. I know, I love it. I wish my mom was like that. Um No, they have such a cute relationship. I mean, I can't really say the same about their sister relationship. I feel really sad about it. I hope everything gets worked out between them, because I just feel like for those sisters in particular, maybe like reality TV isn't the move for them, Like it wasn't great for um Kyle and Kim back in the day, did not work out so good for them. So I feel like the same thing is almost happening. I feel like history is being being repeated here. Maybe family therapy is a a call. I don't know, like I mean, I love to watch them. I think they make the show. But that's like me as a selfish as a viewer, But like if they were my friends, that'd be like, Wow, you guys have a lot of unresolved issues.

3:15 Maybe hug it out, go to like family therapy, like the way Kardashians used to on like keeping Up with the Kardashians. Yeah, oh my god, the good old days. I feel like Kathy when she signed up for Real House I was at Beverly Hills. She was more kind of, you know, thinking to be she was just going to be a friend of like dropping in, having those funny like hunky dory moments and stuff like that. And now she got involved in all of this drama and she's like, wait, I didn't sign up for this, like you know what it is. As she said, she thought her and Lisa Wenda were friends and she could trust her. That's where she went wrong. Yeah, she realized that.

3:55 I think Hathy is like used to getting a lot of things her way, so when things I do think she had her breakdown. I'll just say that I do think she definitely had some sort of a break Yeah. I don't think this is all like some fabricated thing. I do think she had a breakdown, but I don't think it was to the extent that Lisa is saying. I think it's a lot a lot of it is exaggerated. I don't see her saying that she had a I don't see her saying that slur just because I think Kathy only Erica hurt it, only Erica got and then that that's what got to the press. If only Erica hurt it, how did it get to the press. That's not suspicious at all. We see through you, ericat Um. But yeah, I just think Kathy is like very media trained, being a Hilton, So I don't see how she would just be like saying slurs left and right, even if the cameras were, like even if she's drunk, like she it's in l a Like, I don't think it's okay in any capacity to be saying stuff like that, like, you know, for where she lives, for the kind of family she's a part of, for the kind of people she hangs out with. I just don't see how she would ever be comfortable saying things like that. No, and like going on TV, did she freak out because someone wasn't playing her song. Yeah, hundred percent believe that. But like, I think it's

5:28 just a matter of Cathy like always getting what she wants, and she didn't get what she wanted, and she didn't get her tequila represented. She felt like it was like the world's against her exactly right after one thing, right after the other, and she had a breakdown. I don't I think she's well equipped to deal with things not going her way always, so I feel like it took those two small things to really unravel her, which like it's giving spoiled bitch and I love it, but I feel like she's used to people like protecting her and like, you know, being able to trust people.

6:11 It's so funny because I believe some of the things Lisa is saying, but the way that she's saying in and how she's exaggerating things and being so dramatic, like I was abused, I was locked in a room. Oh my god, Like that is what makes Cathy no, like, no matter what happened, come up in the end, because Lisa is just like coming across in the worst way possible. It's abused Garcella. I was like, oh my god, and then I'm like, wait, didn't you guys attack Crystal for like three episodes for saying violated and now Kathy is she's abusing you, like exactly, exactly. Actually, there was a lot of things that like, we're very hypocritical, that's like everyone else allowed to do. But Renna, oh my god, it doesn't make sense. Ah, I was dying. I don't know how this didn't go through her mind, Like she's so insensitive. We just need to talk about Erica for a second. How she used the plane crash analogy to describe her situation. How can she not understand that there's plane crash victims involved, and you know that might not come across, It might not hit home, It might be too soon too friends,

7:41 How can she not understand that? I? Like, I can see what she was trying to say, but like, it definitely was not the right analogy. She didn't land the plane. Let's just say that I did really enjoy her little Tiara and her like ice creen. Look she looks all I kept looking a Toddlers and your kind of situation in that affit. Yeah, but it was super entertaining. I just like loved watching her try to explain herself and she was very like she was owning up to her ship. She was apologizing to the right people. And you know, she actually was very likable that whole reunion, Like she didn't say anything like as terrible as she has this whole season. I feel like maybe she's finally coming to a better place. I think a little bit you can see that she's like growing some somewhat taking accountability. But I wouldn't go as far to call her likable personally. Yeah, I think I still think she needs to. She didn't show up enough for the victims. Still in this reunion episode. I think, well, like I don't. I think she's right, it's not her responsibility, like it's a ego matter. She's winning these cases. She's you know, fighting for a life in the words of Jed Shaw, and I feel like people need to stop like putting that on her, Like maybe we

9:11 are not giving her enough benefit. Maybe once she does, like you know, finish with all the lawsuits, she'll be able to do something for them and show up and be the charitable, like normal person. But right now she doesn't have the bandwidth. I don't know, you can still say like I feel for them, Like that's just like the bare minimum of like saying she's she was basically saying, like I don't give a funk about that. Well, she did say that in in Aspen, but like I feel like at the Union she was kind of backtracking on that a little bit, like not a lot, but a little bit, and then the earring things, she was standing by it so clearly, like, you know, I just want to say that my next excuse for anything is gonna be for legal reasons.

10:01 Like if I'm late for work, I'm gonna be like our legal reasons. If I cancel all my plans, I'm gonna say it's for legal reasons. It's just for legal reasons, for legal reasons, Sandy, for legal reasons. But yes, it's on a hill. The only thing she could say for like five minutes. I don't know what kind of legal training she's been doing, but I'd like to watch it because there's like definitely some lawyer in her ear piece being like, legal reasons. Legally, I plead the fifth, I plead the fifth. No. I really really enjoyed actually when Cathy came in and the first thing she did was she kind of roasted Lisa Arena in like a funny way I thought that was super cute, and Lisa's face was just like so not pleased. I was dying how Lisa is always remembering what everybody is saying, always bringing it up. But when it comes to what she said, Oh, she suddenly has memory loss. Oh you don't remember that you said that you were preaching to the choir. It's like, do you really think that during this whole conversation Lisa, she wasn't giving her anything back. Yeah, like she was just like, stop stop, I'm being abused. No, she was definitely bringing and like talking throughout whatever Cathy was saying, like, Kathy's not a feral animal. If she's not getting like anything back, if she's getting like really, oh my god,

11:33 please stop, she wouldn't be keep doing it. And she felt safe and like I don't think it was as like volatile as she makes it up to be, because like, wasn't Mauricio in the house, Like when have been able to hear you like these glasses being stomped on and screaming and yelling like oh yeah, when she's like it was in the dark, I was scared and Cathy was like what do you me? And the lights were on, were in Erica's bedroom also isn't Cathy like kind of blind, Like she wears glass most of the time. I wouldn't like stop on her only glasses, like calm down and be in the dark. Like no, no, all of that is so over dramatic, And she made it sound like it was like some sort of horror film. It was like, you know, get out territory, and poor little Lisa thought that big bad Godzilla Cathy was gonna like attack her. She had to lock the door, like I'm sorry, what, Like, no one is going to believe that. If anything, I'd be locking the door if I was sleeping in the same house at least, Oh my god, exactly, and I was dying out hypocritical she was when she was called out, being like so you like you scream and yell at people, And she just said so like she had like no defense back.

12:50 She was just like so exactly, and like not enough people are calling her out. Yeah, people really need to call her out on that. I don't know why everyone so scared of her. I really don't get it. I do feel like I saw for the first time this episode of the Reunion a little bit of the like Core four group, like breaking up a little bit, like you saw Cat Kyle, you know, kind of yelling at the read a little bit. Yeah, and then you saw um like Cat Kyle and Lisa also like having because of all this drama a little bit, even though like she's still sticking by Lisa. I think, I think this tension is gonna like make a few like riffs in the group that we actually definitely need for next season, because right now I hate this like this is one group and this is the other group, and we're gonna stick by them. So that's the feeling you got, because that's the opposite of the feeling that I got. By the end of this, I was like, Wow, these four women are still like sticking by each other. They're still in this fact like it's still them against everyone else. And after all this ship that Lisa like put everyone through, everyone's still basically upper us. Like I don't get it, and so no, I think there's still like a group. But I saw like a few comments here and there where they like we're going against each other, which usually I would see them all attacking the other side, which was rare I think for that group in particular, because

14:24 it's like such a blind loyalty usually for them. It was amazing. Actually, I thought it was really really cute the interactions between like Garcela and Sudden, where there were such besties. They were just like giving each other the eyes throughout the whole thing, like god, oh my god. It was like so cute and like relatable and like they're real friends because they're just like, is no one else salking seeing this? Is no one else going to call us out? And like you can just like read from their body language, like they didn't even have to say anything, but just their look was like they're like there's no point that. Yeah, Like they did look a little dejected, honestly, Yeah, I mean I do. Didn't blame them, yeah, right, the season would have been like so boring and toxic without them. They were trying to, I think, be against them, but they like persevered and like rose above so much that like they made like the world love them. Everyone looked so bad. They're the biggest fan favorites right now, and I think it might be interesting knowing that they're such favor fan favorites, like next season, how it's gonna change the dynamic, Like if people are gonna like if the other four girls are going to be even more angry at them, or if they're going to actually try and suck up to them now because they know that they're the fan favorites. So there were no announcements by Andy, I know. And Okay, also another thing that I was waiting for the whole episode. Lisa came in the first episode of

15:56 the Union with her like brown Manila envelope saying I got the receipts. Yeah, but what they weren't pulled out? Where were these receipts that you were going to like prove your point your phone? Yeah, but I mean you print out something in that big envelope and you like wave it around, you better be showing much inside. She always has props. I was disappointed by that, and it made me like discredit her a little bit because I'm like, are you just doing this for the dramatics of it and you don't actually have like backing behind what you're saying. I did um love that. Garcia was the only one who kept asking Kyle like, weren't you mad at Lisa?

16:44 Why aren't you mad at Lisa? And like nobody was like at all like questioning that, and Kyle was just like every once, stay out of it, Kathy, why are you mad at me? Like there's like so much toxicity it's it's insane, and like she made it all about herself and she was like I'm the one being blamed, and it's like, why can't you just step aside for a second and just like stand up for your sister for one second and be like, Okay, whatever happened, this is the end of it. I don't want to hear anymore and yell at at Renna and not at Cathy. She's taking it out on Cathy when she should be taking it out on Renna. I was actually really sad for Kathy when she was like I was only upset because I thought you set up this whole surprise tasting for me and then like nobody care. Then it wasn't set up for me, so like cute and like castle cute, Like yeah, she just like of course it was all for me, no, and then she just like got so mad. Yeah. I can like see like bits of Paris and Kathy, Like I can see because that's totally something I feel like Paris would say, Yeah, you know, um, I actually wish we had this podcast when the Paris and Love show was on, because that was just like seeing how like the sisterhood between like Paris and Nikki versus like Kathy and

18:15 her sisters. I feel that they should learn from Paris and Niki because they're like, yeah, sister, Yeah, I really hope there's another season of Paris in Love, like when they're like really moved in, living together, like yeah, trying to babying. Yeah, that that'll be so good. I'm so good. I hope they do that. And I could see for Kyle how she feels, you know, hurt that like you know, the Hilton sisters keep like obviously supporting their mom and liking these tweets and this and that and going out and making statements, and I mean I would too. They're bullying her mother, like and I would be like, hey, I would expect better from my aunt who was the show like ringleader, to like defend my mom and like be on her side, begged her to come on this show. Not you're like against her. That doesn't make any sense.

19:11 If my sister was better friends, was Lisa Renna over me, I would be very disappointed. It's not even someone likable, like no, it's like the worst person ever. It's like you choose this person's side to like, and you choose not to be mad at this person, and you believe everything she says, and like you're upset with me, Like, of course our relationship is not going to be great. Yeah, And I think she's, like I said before, she's done that with Kim as well. She showed her treat She I think values her like place on the show and like her friendships on the show more than her family, which is really sad, which I think is the issue. And that's why she always has issues with the family. You know, every season she cries about her relationship up with her sisters and they're always broken and this and that, and she's like, the show hurt my family, But like it's not the show, it's what you're doing on the show. Yeah, if like other families go on shows and they're fine, but like, if you keep like becoming friends with the people that are horrible to your family, why would your family want to be around, And like it doesn't make sense. Obviously they're going to be upset.

20:25 Exactly if I come on the show and like you beg me to come on the show when you're like, awesome, we'll do it. Together, It'll be so fun and then you like basically friends with my bully, Like, no, we're done. And that's why I think Kathy said. She was like, if there's not some firings happening on this show, I'm not coming back. And you know what, I don't blame her if it's between Kathy and Renna. I mean, I think we know who the fans want to go. Yeah, the thing is well production and Andy. I feel like there's some like easy alliance between Andy and Ranna. But yeah, we did see a little bit this episode of him being a little bit fed up by her. He was like enough enough when Rena was talking. But at the same time, I just feel like she's kind of like a veteran of the show at this point, and she she feels a villain role that the show no one else will to that extent, And that's exactly like to be a villain so good that everybody hates you, you know, every single fan pretty much, you have to be good at it. If you are listening and you actually like Ranna, let us know why. We'd love to know.

21:48 I feel like no one's gonna according to our polls and everything we've ever ever become empty. Yeah, I've never heard anyone anyone's say, you guys are wrong, But like if they replaced right now with like l v P, I would be so happy. Oh my god, I miss her so much. She needs to come back. She's amazing. I miss her girls. I need to bring her back. Yes, the show was so much classier when she was on it. Yeah, she's the queen Bee of Also, I'm gonna say this, it's gonna come like off topic and kind of like I guess from a more shallow like place of like viewing it. The houses and the views and everything was a lot nice for a few years ago on they've like steadily gone downhill. Yeah, like they don't actually live in Beverly Hills, a lot of them or whatever. I don't even know all their houses and events and everything just looks very like pedestrian and compared to what it was, Like, who doesn't miss Lisa vander Palm's gorgeous view when the pink roses everywhere in the parties and I'm extravagance of it all, like like basically exactly like she was goals and you were like, okay, like this woman is throwing down in the kitchen, putting, putting on a badass t's gorgeous, her closets amazing. Everyone else's house. I know they're super expensive and

23:19 nice, but like they don't They're not anything I would like, you know, like be like, oh my god, I would die to live in that house. Kathy's house is probably close. Yeah, but because dynamic, I wonder what the dynamic would be like. If Kathy and Lisa were on the show together. Well, they were friends way back. Yeah, I don't know if I don't know because I would hope Kyle. Yeah, but like I don't start but when a Lisa was friends with Kathy and Rick, even like in the big getting seasons of the show, she was still friends with them when they want to be talking to Kyle. Yeah, so maybe they are still friends. I mean, so apparently Kathy and Kyle aren't really talking. Said that the episode at the end of the episode that m Bravo con was like the first time that they've interacted with each other. Yeah, it's actually really sad, pretty indicative of the relationship with a work event is like the one time that they're talking to each other. It's actually super heartbreaking because they always get into these like you know, fights around the times of like huge milestone like events for their families, so it's like, why can you not put that aside and be there for each other's families. I don't know, Like this weekend, they had a baby shower for one of Kim's daughters, right Brooke, I think on social media, so they both go.

24:52 No, so Kathy was there with like Paris and Nikki and all of Kyle's daughters were there, but adding Kyle and the pictures, So I'm not sure she went, but I would assume not. Yeah, I mean the whole And then Fara's wedding is coming up, right, so we'll see what happens with that if Kathy shows up. I mean, I feel like a wedding if you don't show up to it is kind of like almost like a final nail in the coffin when well it doesn't show up, you know what I mean. They uninvited or didn't invite Kyle to Nikki's wedding though she wasn't there. Oh yeah, because they were. They but that I feel like their relationship like back was really bad and now now they've made it better, and now I think it's going back in reverse, So hopefully it doesn't go.

25:55 I can't wait to see when the announcements are for a new season because I'm dying to know who's coming back and who's not. Obviously, everyone has so many opinions. Just give us the tea, Andy, like, what are you waiting for? Rennais saying TMZ called? Or after aspect, oh is she on speed dial? There? They're like, oh girl, how did she think that would be like a good thing to say? At the reunion? She's like, they already knew, did they know because they texted them they were returning your call, you left a message and your number. Yeah. I mean they were at the club with a lot of people, but still, but how many of those people have TMZ on speed dial?

26:44 Exactly? It was really heartbreaking to watch Kyle breakdown at the end and they'll read arms and not be able to take a shot. It was sad, so very sad. It's a very season. It was like the juxtaposition um I think it was Kathy um garcelon Sutton like taking a picture like a happy little picture at the end, and Kyle was like crying. It was like so sad to see them to different worlds basically there was no resolution for her, and I can see how she was asking Kathy for one and Kathy was like, I'm not doing this on TV basically, but like Cathy was like mad at her for not knowing why she was not. I didn't get that.

27:26 Yeah, I mean, there's clearly so many complexities to their relationship that I feel like, like I said before, reality Reality TV is going to be like one of the hardest ways for it to play out because I just feel like there's so much history that we won't even ever be able to understand between them. That's true, on the other hand, compared to like Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, where these women don't have a lot of history with each other, it's very refreshing. But no, some of them actually do, like Meredith and um Lisa have ten years. But I feel like ten years is not like it's like, you know, not like a lifetime of like toxic fights, and like Lisa and Angie Harrington have twenty years together.

28:15 That's a long time. Yeah, it is, And that's weird how that friendship blew up. Honestly, I was dying that Lisa was like, it's we've been friends for ten years and Meredith won't forgive me that I like trashed her family and called her horror and then and then Angie doing it for twenty years. She's like, Okay, game over, We're done. Okay, what do we think Angie's deal is? Is she's just trying to shoot to Stir up to be on the show finally, because she's always involved in everything, but she's not been on the show. Okay, so I think she is trying to ship stir for sure. And she's definitely like super thirsty.

29:00 I mean like her husband is making a gene show. Suppose page like that is what sus sketchy behavior you definitely, And like the way her eyes light up. Also when she's on camera, like she's trying a little bit too hard. I feel like I get like weird vibes from her, just like all in all, But um, what I was gonna say is um, Angie, she I think with Whitney like she I don't actually think she said what Whitney was saying to the extent that Whitney was saying, because when Whitney confronted her, she was like, oh, you said Lisa just dated this guy before versus Whitney before had told us that it was the glose for jazz tickets. So like, as I thought, Whitney flied it. Yeah, she does with anything. And honestly this episode actually like I was trying to find my simple TI for Whitney because I was very hard on her, like last episode, the last few episodes, and I could not find it.

30:07 No, I tried. It's not very likable, I must say. No, Like I get that she's going through a terrible trauma and like, you know, we'll never understand that, and like I get it, but like she's taking it out on the wrong people and she doesn't know how to deal with it properly, Like she needs real help. She needs to sub conflating these two issues between her and Heather and her abuse. Those are not exactly Heather did not abuse her. How is this all other? Yeah, Like I'm confused. She's like, oh, it felt exactly like when I was abused, I was silenced. Um, okay, well how is that Hell's responsibility? It's not. She's just like, gets you drunk. I feel like it doesn't remember, like what happened. I think that's what happened at the sports game. She was like, I got really up and then created these like memories in her mind, and I create memories to when I'm blackout. I'm just not starting fights over them, like, hey, maybe I'm wrong. We're just texting the group Chap being like, what the hell did I say? Exactly? But she's like, you know, it's a lot to put on someone, the whole abused thing, the whole I'm feeling this way, to your responsibility to make me feel this way. It is a lot to put on someone. It's irresponsible and it's honestly not fair.

31:26 Yeah. No, it's the fact that she's like doubling down on it too after like talking to Angie and hearing like Angie being like I never said that, and like you just can't admit it. Yeah, she will never admit things. Like she's so just damaged in like a very sad way, but like she needs to stop taking it out on the friendships. Yeah, I mean maybe after leaving she's closing this Mormon church chapter, maybe that will help her if she gets some real there sort of relief, Phil, some sort of relief, Hill, I need a drinking game. Every time she says hell or Phil, he'll be as black is. Yeah, I won't be able to recap the episode. No, He'll be like I think she said this, and I'll be like, she never said that, baby witness it exactly. But I'm a hundred percent team Heather. Because Heather was just you know, making every complete sense. She was like, this never happened.

32:34 She even went to Angie and she was like, Hey, did this ever happens? I just I mean, yeah, as much as Andree probably would have wanted it to happen, because like then she would get even more of a storyline. And she was like mortified. She was like, it's a business environment that would never utter those words. Yeah, like Lisa would do her ass, which I believe. Yeah, Like I really don't think Lisa would take too long to see someone for defamation of character or whatever for those kind of rumors in a business setting, it's like obviously damaging to her reputation.

33:15 Yeah, Whitney needs to put down the tequila and look inward and heavy journal. I don't know, focus on like that, reconnecting to your brother and sister and like take care of your children. Just stop trying to meddle in everything. Yeah, everybody and drama. Lisa was saying how she felt like close to Whitney because like, you know, what did you say a bad truth is better than a good lie? But like what if it wasn't a bad truth, what if it's like no truth at all? Yeah, I found that whole like friendship because like, yeah, she was the one who like started and called us all this ship like and when he didn't bring this up like this, none of this would have happened. So and she never believed award Whitney said last season, So like this season is so different, Like I did not have that pairing on my bingo card, not at all, And honestly I don't like it. Yeah, No, Lisa's iconic, so she's on her Like I like her better when she's on her own.

34:30 I love how beautiful and chic they look when they go skiing, because I could never, oh my god, I would be fully like Gan on the Bunny Hell, oh my god. Yeah same. But also like she's wearing spanks and like you know, I mean even if the other women aren't, they all look amazing, Like I could never look that good doing a winter activity, Like that's amazing. And I was laughing in like in one part of the episode when they were doing an outside walk and Math is like it's so beauty, a full out I'm like, I'm not are you kidding? How is this beautiful? It looks freezing? No, I like like a winter like walk, but the whole not for me. Yeah, it never ends for them, Like a lot of people love that vibe. I guess. I mean, if you live there, you have to write, but every activity is always like skiing or like some sort of snowy activity.

35:28 Yeah, and they made it looks fun. It did look so beautiful, Like yeah, I was just dying at the like juxtaposition of this episode, like they're in this beautiful glass thing like with mountain views and champagne and charcouterie and like last episode in Arizona we had them at some like college bar bar. What is happening with this budget? Like what happened last episode? And planned this? Was it? Whitney? Yeah? Who planned this dinner doesn't add up? Um. Another thing about Whitney I was like so shocked about was like I just didn't realize how hard it was to leave the Mormon Church like that, like having a having to have it notarized, and then like I didn't realize that they take ten percent of your income, Like absolutely not, what are that your your manager is not already hanging enough taxes? I don't need absolutely not, like would never um. But it is interesting how much you're like getting to know about the Mormon Church, right, And I mean I follow a lot of like Mormon influencers who are not on the show, and I know it's like the Mormon TikTok is like huge, and it's like always super interesting to me because it's not something I see every day, and like where I live, there aren't a lot of Mormons or any so, like it's very very interesting to me how they get down. I mean there's that whole like swinger Mormon group on TikTok and then but then there's like

37:05 the ones that I feel like her super like wholesome and yeah, exactly like Rachel parself love her, Oh my god, I love her, like her family so cute, her homeless, stunning. And I remember when before the show came out, they were like doing she was doing a Q and A on Instagram and people were like, oh, would you join Wheelhouse as of Salt Lake City flashed it. Yeah, she was like absolutely not. I have thoughts about these women, Yeah, I think after the first episode, I remember her saying like, this is not what real Mormon women do, Like, well, I mean, like definitely not, because half these women are trying to leave. I don't even know if this is what non Mormon women do. Yeah, like nobody does this. It's amazing on a whole different level. And I can see how, like if that was my culture they were portraying, I would be like, I don't like this. What is happening here? Yeah, but it is fun to watch just because like every city has such a different vibe, and like, this is a vibe I would never sign up before, just because it's cold and I hate the cold, and like they're just rocking it and looking fabulous, Like everyone's hair is like all blown out and long and gorgeous as their skiing, and I'm like, what, you don't have the humidity to ruin it? Humidity, girl, I feel like I would get tangled in my skis. I would just be done. I was like, all of this looks so fabulous and I couldn't tell who was who that whole like skiing shrip. I could not

38:37 that. I was like, why is there like people here who look like Lisa? Everyone looks like Lisa and like and like hither too. I was like I was trying to replace Whitney by like inviting of her cousin, because what is happening? Why is this such a big roop? I can't focus on what's happening when all these new people come from. But I will say I loved um the like switch from watching Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, because I kind of have like stress while I'm watching that whole franchise, and then when you switch to Salt Lake City, I feel like it's just such a like lightness to it, you know what I mean? Oh my god, right, it was too draining at this point, That's what I'm saying.

39:24 Like the length of the conflict is so refreshing for Salt Lake City because it all seems so new and light compared to Beverly like that should goes deep in Beverly Hills. Yeah, And it's like such a small town and like I mean you saw it, like I'm Salt Lake is as well. But like everyone after so many seasons off the show, so many people have come and gone, and everyone's still kind of is around and it's friends and it's just like the whole thing is just you know, it feels like a lot, which is partly why I like it. But this season was a lot. There's like more like to bauchery. I feel like on Salt Lake City, which is just like fun to watch, it's just like theirs are they just don't care, like on Beverly Hills. I think by this one, especially, like women really care what people think about them. They've got their like very media trained in comparison, were in Salt Waters basically yeah and there and obviously they live in Hollywood. They know how it works. Meanwhile, we're I feel like we're watching like middle aged college girls. It's like Jersey Shore meats Like, like, I love it. They don't care. They're just like you know, they get blackout, they were lingoide at work, they do whatever the fun they want. Yeah, no, it's so entertaining.

40:40 I'm so here for it. I actually really enjoyed this episode. Yeah, this was a good episode. Last one, like the last few were like a little dark. This one was just like it was lighter better. Yeah yeah, um speaking of um back to l A. I guess Wing Empire so we finished that. Yes, I love this season. Actually, I Initially I thought I wasn't gonna like it, but it turned out to be really good. I really really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed seeing things through Christine's eyes this season, and I really enjoyed Kane going like trying to really be a villain this season. Yeah, he like stirs, shut up, and then once it comes back to him, he's just like wait, what, Like I don't like, like, I don't know if it's a roman plays on the show or he's actually like that, because I mean I know people that are friends with him in real life and like you know, they love him, and I just like I don't know if that's how he is, because like he just seems so fake on the show and like such a ship disturb Yeah, for no reason, always starting shut up, and then when it comes back to him, he hates confrontation. He dies, he makes excuses, and then he like tries to turn everyone against Christine or like the fact that he didn't invite Christine to his dinner. But yeah, that's

42:15 like the perfect word for him, petty exactly. And like I just felt bad because like Christine really didn't do anything to deserve this treaty, and she did nothing going to create a divide Even further, I think he wants her off the show because she's become like more of a fan favorite. She's awesome. First of all, people knew her before the show, and people knew her because of social media, right, and she's in that whole like o C social media bubble with like Layla Milawney and Casey Brown, that whole group, and like, you know, I've always kind of known of her from that, and I thought it was like, if anything, she'd be the real heart too, but I guess she wasn't Hills, So whatever. Um, I wish it would Joe in the Well Housewives, honestly, I do.

43:01 I think she'd be fabulous and way more fun, oh my god, like way better. But um, she's obviously is on a different show on a different network. So I feel like this show is getting like also kind of toxic for no reason. Yeah. No, they just bully each other, and then like the whole toxicity with like Kim and Kevin, like she just wanted to like string him along and like it was like, oh, yeah, you're not my type, Okay, whatever, that's fine, typical Yeah, and then as soon as he brings his girl over. She's so jealous, like can't stand it, and like, I don't know, I just feel like she needs to go to therapy, not a just a Pikey healer. Because girl was jealous. She was really really mean to Kevin.

43:58 I don't I think she did him dirty. I don't think she was fair to She did not say right away she wasn't interested. She was stringing him along. She would him take a lie detector test. She made him feel like a piece of ship so many times, and it just kind of not She would say she's going on a date and then ghost him, like it's so confusing to him, like it's it's like fucked up for her to string him along and then be like okay. Also not by everything, and then the fact that she was like if I wanted him, I could get him. I was so grossed up by that. I'm like, okay, I'm like these like he's been in love with this girl forever, Like yeah, they had they had like the cutest chemistry ever. I really hope I love them on she's so cute. I apparently they're still together. So I'm very hopeful that he will grow up and you know, she'll help him be the man he's meant to be. They seem super super key. Stop just taking off his shirt and like have some substance, yeah, and also have some self respect and like, you know, don't act necessarily like a little puppy for all these like other real people, yeah, to like you know, do charity for Like, it's weird the whole when he almost like dumbs himself down, like when he's around them because he's like, like you said, like they're his little they're little puppy and like he's like whatever you guys say kind of thing, like like he has to be very non threatening, right,

45:32 Yeah. But like even when he went with um Christine to Paris, which I thought was like so cute, I'm like, I feel like he could have taken more initiative and like try try to like further his career in fashion and modeling being there, he was just kind of like hiding behind her the whole time, which shows like a little bit of immaturity. Still in that sense, I think I do think his career would benefit a lot more if he was more proactive and more confident and more would go get her, you know, yeah, because that would have been like the perfect opportunity to like go away from the like l a commercial marketing and go into like Paris Milan, like runaway stuff. But do you think he has the drive for that? Yeah, doesn't seem too. Do you think, um, it was wrong of him to date the raiky healer? I do. I think he should have at least like asked beforehand, because like she was more than just like the raiky girl that just like puts her hands on top of you or whatever they do. Um, she was actually like talking about her life and treating them more like a real therapist. So I think given their history and the fact that like personal inform asian is being shared, I feel like a client patient boundary was overstepped. But do you not think it was also

47:07 more on the racky healer not to go with this dude? No, I think they're both in the wrong. Like I was watching this whole thing and nobody was like saying anything about the ricky Healer, and then everyone was talking about Kevin making a piece of shit, and I'm like, but she's her patient, her responsibility. She's the one like opening up about this whole Kevin thing to her and like talking to her. And then she goes, oh, now I'm gonna go out with Kevin, Like no, that's like raised red flags. But I think they're both in the wrong. I just think she wanted to be on the show. Honestly, she wanted to be a character, got her little she was like, hey, I'm not just a reicky healer and you can hide or like she was just advertising her business.

47:59 I thought, odd, yeah, exactly. I thought, um, Christine's dinner was very very sweet to invite everyone and to like make it all all of branch themed. So they didn't show it, but I saw that she posted on Instagram and she said like that whole intense flower arrangement, which I thought it was a little much because nobody could see each other, but it was all made with like all of branches and through like we've through and yeah, and then she said the whole menu, it was all of them, and then like the invitations were like olive oil cakes, like in a little box. Like I thought it was so cute and like, you know, she was really trying. Yeah, that's so nice, and nobody really gave it. Honestly, I think she's so sweet. Nobody gave me. They just like are always trying to tear her down no matter what, like she'll no matter what she does, it's always going to be seen somehow in a negative like, oh she does this like over the top party, like she's trying too hard, they'll say, And so I'm like, yeah, she's making an effort, fabulous or being whatever. I do think there's like a group jealousy towards her, and like I don't know why. I think like Kane, Kelly and Kim have this like alliance and it's like sad to see that divide. It's true, but also Kim is kind of like okay terms with Christine. She's like trying to play the both sides, both sides.

49:30 Yeah, as we see, she's good at that because she's a gemini. I don't know, girl is toxic. I think she's so beautiful. I think she should just like Dat one of the gorgeous actors she keeps bringing around. Yeah, I stop playing with this like little boys emotions. I actually don't think she's probably not ready for a real relationship, and there's a lot of healing that she still has to do, as we've seen previous seasons. So it's nice of her to address that and to face it. Yeah, no, she I like Kevin and her just like, I really hope next season nothing happens between them. They don't get back together because they're just like not men for each other, and I hope she doesn't try and like their whole horrible perform Yeah, like I've never seen two people so bad like together, and maybe Kelly and Andrew. Oh yeah, I mean Kevin did like Kelly the first season, like he's just stopped trying to date within the group.

50:43 Yeah, I think he does like push it a little too far. Yeah, he's a little bit aggressive about it. But yeah, they seem like a good match, you know what it is. I feel like they know him really well, and as friends, they feel like he doesn't have what they need, Like he doesn't offer as much as like they would want in a partner because he's like a man child, so they're like why would I be into But then they like the attention because he's hot. I think it's like they're all very like superficial because he has made it. They're like not giving him the time of day exactly. Even like when they were introducing like you know, like this guy to Kelly and they were like, what do you do, how much money do you have? What kind of car do you have? And I'm just like, who talks this much about money?

51:30 That's crazy. Like when you first meet someone, it's like it's like I know they say that it's in their culture. So it's very interesting to like, I guess watch that because it's so different from any other show and no one else really tryin that's like very flashy and like it's giving my super sweet sixteen. Yeah, that show was iconic. I'm amazing, But this is basically every episode is that. I'm like, what is happening? Like this is this much? This is that much? Like about this, It's like it does give me the lifestyle porn though that Yeah, Beverly Hills, Yeah, do not always give me. They're just not trying to get robbed anymore. Yeah, it's not really working that one. Clearly, Um Jamie, oh my god, she bothers me so much. She clearly so jealous of Christine, like the comments she was making at the Paris Fashion show being like I can't believe she's a client and I'm an influencer. Yeah, I was like, that's not valued by the they love that. I think she's v I p that's beautiful. Good for her. Do you know how much like Channel ready to where you have to buy to like to be hundreds of

53:01 thousands of dollars. Yeah, like obviously she buys her high jewelry and stuff like come on, So I feel like that is a lot of jealousy, like yeah, being an influencer of school, Like you're technically self made now apparently, so she says. But still we'll take that with a grain of salt. Yeah, she said she was only self made for her like work expenses, which act like a shady wave of saying she's not really made. I feel like she was really chill and quiet the first season, and now she's just like being a mean girl, and it's just like why she's so jealous of Christine and she doesn't really have like a storyline because she doesn't really she doesn't. He's kind of there. Yeah, she doesn't bring anything to the show, and her face is always so unpleasant, like she's all she's always looking so angry and like discontent. I don't know she bothers me, honestly. Yeah, it honestly feels like she doesn't bring anything. Some vintage fashion, I say, Santash, We got it. This is Vintish Galleano.

54:15 Yeah, we know. I mean I love that Ails had a passionate about fashion, and that's great for your influencing career. But I mean nobody asked save it for your Instagram page, girly exactly. Yeah, so this season was just to know it was forgettable. I'd say the biggest takeaways that Christina is awesome, her friendship with Kevin's cute. Kevin's relationship is cute, and that's about it. I wouldn't say it's forgettable. I would say I enjoyed watching it. It was just like a pleasant watch, but it wasn't like the crazy drama that I thought I was going to get from it.

55:01 I felt like everyone was being very subdued and that wasn't really bringing it, and I think Caine was trying. So that's why it was jarring in comparison to like how everyone else was trying not to bring it. Apparently, like Cain like brought on like most of the people on the show, like he's kind of like the common link between all exactly. Yeah. Yeah, he's like friends with everyone, so obviously, like he's trying really hard to keep it lasting and keeping up drama. Drama. Yeah, he's like bringing the drama because someone else's I can see that. Actually that's a responsible like you know co star. Mm hmm. Okay, So before to Yes, my favorite of all of these shows, Love is Blind. I love that ship.

55:57 Oh my god, I'm so excited for Love we got it up. Yes, super excited with the cast of course. Yes, I like to pretend I'm on the show. I've watched US season. I've watched this like show so many times, and every single time, I'm like, wait, I can't understand how these people are like getting married and engaged in two weeks and they haven't seen each other, Like it just blows my mind. Every single time. I'll never like understand. I will say, me and my man basically the side of we're getting married on our first date. So this was like if anyone wouldn't understand, it's us because like we've experienced it obviously not on the show. It was like a real date, but still it was like the same kind of thing where we're like, okay, like we're definitely getting married first date, that's it done. And we've been like you know, inseparable since and nothing has changed, and like it wasn't like as many I guess difficulties. But also we weren't always hanging out with our exes, and you were able to see each other, and like I would assume your conversation was like going a little bit further than like I like shuk Chuka.

57:14 Oh, I also like shuk Chuka. Let's get dot com from my favorite couple. It's my favorite couple too. But at the beginning, I was just like, really, that's what's you're like? First of all, done when he said his favorite Boduka almost fell off the couch. I was excuse me. It was like what, I did not expect this. No, I didn't know a man and she did not either, so that's why she was like, oh okay, but she didn't even know what he looked like. So no, but his voice, his accent, like everything was just funny and like you know, like he's such a like cowboy and it's like adorable. And I do think they're super cute together. I think she's gorgeous, like yeah, she's done it donning. I think they're like the one couple I'm rooting for the most I know. I feel like they're the most like normal and they're just like have the least like you know, issues and the least like toxic relationship. It was, um, what was I going to say? Like I like them, and I really really really liked um Matt and Colleen the Ballerina. I feel like they really match each other.

58:24 I hope they work it out. I hope they're able to like stay together because um, they I feel like they like look so good together, almost like brother and sister. They have like the same vibe. They're both like it's superficial and like shallow in their relationships. So mad is such a sweetheart, is a sweetheart, but my heart, Like I feel about her, like he was just like all about like looks and stuff, and she's like obviously, as she says her self, fairy shallow. So I feel like they kind of like matching there, like immatureness in their relationship a little bit. He's definitely more mature than she is. But I feel like I think she's going to go and flirt with Cole based on what I've seen her, like saying that she's attracted to him. Okay, that was attracted to her. That was not cool. That whole conversation was not cool. Okay, you cannot go and sit and tell someone when you're with someone else, engaged to someone else, that's like, oh, in the real world, if you bought me a drink, I wouldn't say no, like no.

59:37 The same with partise with Nancy. I was, oh, my god, get me started. I wanted to kill him with that conversation when he's like we're both like the heads looking in the room, like who I like? I said that I disagree first of all, and then he he had the audacity to be like, oh, you know, you're like happy that I'm being honest though, right, It's like she was in tears and she's like right, My mind was blown. How someone could think that's okay all of that. Um, I was so furious, and you know, and she just kept sitting there and she never says anything, and she never like calls him out, and it's so sad because she's such a catch and I think she's she's so cute and he's literally sitting there and he's like, hey, you're like basically the ugly one. But it's okay because like I love your personality, Like that's what I would be, like, Okay, bye, I'm gonna go find someone else exactly like it was like, you know, I love that Raven wasn't even entertaining his ship. She was like me, I'm good. They those two actually deserve each other the most because they're like the most superficial people ever. I thought it was really funny when she was doing jumping acts when he was pouring his heart out and that was amazing.

1:01:02 Girl was like checking her fitbit and she didn't get enough enough calories for the day, and she was like, I gotta do a few more jumping jazz. Like yeah, she's stunning, but I feel like she needs someone to make her a bit deeper. And like, you know, let's self absorbed and he needs to grow up. He's definitely too young to be on the show. I'll tell you that. Oh his age is definitely showing. He's like, oh, I'm so ma sure I'm ready for kids. No, you're not, You're not. Like that whole conversation was so rude. It made my blood boil. I don't know how she didn't like slap him in the face. I don't know like how she walked out. It was just like if someone said that to me. He The whole thing was a backhand and compliment, and then he kept staring at Raven every time. He's just like her. Oh my god. The editors of the show did her by having the editor where she's just like eating the entire time, Like wow, that was amazing. She's eating her like bacon wrapped scallops. She's like living her best life. I mean she should not have. I mean it's wild to me that the first night together she starts going on and on about the giants. God, that was not okay. I'm like, okay, this is like, oh my god, please stop too much information. Please.

1:02:22 You guys are in the bath together, Like what is going on? I'm so so disgusting, And he would just like kissed her to shut her up so you could see what was going on behind his eyes. She was like, oh no, I've made a huge mistake. That is not a conversation you have on the first night. No, no, no, save it for like ten years down the room maybe never, maybe never, Like this is not necessary. Like I don't know what she was thinking. Honestly, I think she was maybe so nervous and like uncomfortable and just like k excited that like she was like word vomiting. People do that a lot. I was getting like a second and embarrassment. I was cringing, I was turning red. I was like, oh my god, how is this happening?

1:03:07 Other than that second time in the bath. Other than that, she was great. Yeah. No, she was so like when I at the beginning in the pods, like she was the one that I was rooting for me too, because she was so cute and so sweet. Yeah. I loved her and then um my heart went out for her and Matt who was like, oh, I married my high school sweetheart who then got pregnant by someone else. I was like, excuse me, what's going on here? Yeah? I was like, that's so sad. I was like, he's so genuine, so sweet, and he's like, don't hurt me. And I just hope Colleen does not hurt because what she did with Cole already wasn't cool.

1:03:50 No, I don't trust her. She's why she's on the show, Like, why do you if you say you don't want a relationship, that's series is why are you on a show about getting married in two weeks? To be an influencer? Obviously, to get yeah stupid, you can tell who's there to get verifying and who's there actually find love. But she has a very successful career as a ballet dancer. If you didn't know so well, if I didn't know, she definitely made it obvious. And she also let everyone know that she's very flexible in bed. It just like reaked of her insecurity, showing like, let me just try and signal that I'm like fit and like hot in shape and flexible so that you don't have to realize that my personality is ship. Just being a ballet dancer is apparently my whole personality. It is, And then all the guys are like, oh my god, oh my god, it's like relaxed. You're on a blind dating show, Like if you wanted looks, you'd go on like too hot to handle or some ship, even none of them are probably hot enough to get on it. As much as Martiz thinks he is dying, Um is that everyone? No? Well, I mean I love sk I think sk is so sweet. Oh well is so cute, But he needs to realize that,

1:05:25 like that relationship is just not good. Probably getting played. Yeah, like if the first night after you guys get engaged and you're like spending the night together, you are on opposite sides of the bed. I think that's like a huge red flag. There's just no chemistry. No, And she's like, I don't touch I don't like to touch people. I don't like to touch anyone. And I'm like, mmmm, that's not something you can like change. It's either there, it's not. Well. She just like has a type right, like a gym, like meathead bro like the fit spill dude. And by the way, Bartis is not it because he doesn't even look that big. So I mean, I know that was her reaction.

1:06:08 She said, Bartis here. I can't stand them anyway, see them between him and Coal, I mean he's worse Cole and yeah, I so okay. Weirdly, if they work out their communication issues, I actually see them working a little bit because he's just like playful, like puppy dog, and she's like very serious. So like their opposites can attract, I think, and like he'll bring out the more fun side of her. She can make him grow up a little bit, be a little bit more serious, get some furniture in his house. I don't know how I can wait their apartments. I can offer how you're a real estate agent and you don't have furniture, Like, isn't that also makes sense? You were her though, and you watch the show back, like the few episodes we've seen, would you want to be with someone who kept going up to literally every single person and saying I'm not physically into her, she's not really my type, but I love her. No. No, it's the same thing with like, I'm sorry, what are you thinking? What are you doing? She's gorgeous first of all, and it's so cute. I mean, she's a little insecure and passive aggressive. I'll give her that. She's a bit of a downer, yeah, but Cole is also kind of like a dick to her, like when he started chack off when she was taking on holding up and he was like, you look so different. I wash my god, Nony

1:07:39 did not. That's not even funny. That would have been came over for me packing my bakes. You're you're done packing my makeup? I'm gone, see how I can't believe I wasted this makeup on this guy. This reminds me when I was younger. I would like every time I would like start sleeping over at a new boyfriend's house, I would always just wake up early and put on my makeup and pretend I just oh my god, oh this this frankly applied lip glass, this water profileliner I don't always like this happened perfectly and teased hair where it's just like a little bit messy. I felt for saying it because she was like that, do I really look different?

1:08:27 Like he literally brought her confidence down from like a tent to like a negative five in like a second, and it just stayed down there, Johnning, and she looks an She's so beautiful. She literally looks the same with makeup. She's like, you know, like a bombshell. I saw some scenes from like the next season, next episode, and I was like, whoa. She was wearing some sort of corset thing and I was like, gorgeous. Yeah, Like she's so like, you know, obviously he knew she was going to be exotic and beautiful. I mean, her name is super exotic. And then he's like, my favorite my type is Colleen. Um, why I'm dying. I mean, clearly dating your type did not work out for you. That's why you're on this show. So embrace what you got, especially because what you got is beautiful. Like it's so disrespectful I don't think I could ever overlook that even if they did get married. No, there's no way. I don't think I. So the last season and the first season, there was like a lot of people where I'm like, Okay, yeah, they might get married. But this season, I'm like, I don't think anyone except for Brendan and Alexa will get Yeah, exactly, I'm feeling, and I feel like, honestly they should do. If they do, it won't last. Yeah, they definitely won't. They're all really immature and there's a lot of insecurities in this group, a lot of immaturity and a lot of like you know, damaged from like being cheated on or this or that. It's just like a lot of it, like negativity.

1:09:54 I feel like they could, like Netflix should provide them some relationship coaches, like they do on like a lot of first sit There should be an in house therapist, yeah, because that's what they need, like ten days to get married. And you're like, these people suck and they need to grow up. Yeah. At this point, most of them don't even seem like they should get married. No, they like they need to work on themselves first. For sure. I cannot wait to meet like the friends and family. Oh my god, those are my favorite episodes. Yeah, the family does not hold back usually. Oh my god, Alexis family looks like they're terrible frended. It's so excited. I do love that she's like, you know, so beautiful, so out and proud about her culture and just like and he's like embracing it all. And I was like, Okay, that's cute. So cute. Yeah. No, they seem to like match each other so well, and like there's definitely a chemistry there and they're like they seemed committed to each other when they were like about and there was all the other people, you know, like a lot of people were looking at everybody else. Yeah, they did not know we're here for each other.

1:11:10 Oh my god. They literally everyone's like, oh, well, i'm a childhood too so and so, but I chose so and so or like this is not my type. And they were just like no, I love them. They're great. I love her. She's amazing. Yeah, I'm getting like Lauren and camera and energy, Oh my god. Same yeah, which honestly the only example why the show works. Everybody else is a train wreck. Oh god, I'm so excited for this season though, like, I just want all the episodes now. I want to binge it already. I know. I hate that they keep like not releasing them all at once. I know they just released like one or two more and then like another in November, like may always leave you on such a cliffhanger in the end.

1:11:57 Yeah, I love a Nick lash and Vanessa just come out with like these figures. Oh they're so good. Oh my god. I would love to host one of these shows. At first, like the first season, I was like, why are they the host? But I kind of love them for it now. But they're kind of funny the way they like do jabs at each other. Yeah, jobs at the characters too, or the Country show. Well, so now that we're done Real House, have a Beverly Hills. Is anything else coming back? Now? So we have to recap Winter House, We have to do Potomac and the new episodes of Love Is Blind which will be coming up. So there's when is Miami coming out?

1:12:46 That's really like another Yeah I don't think for like another month. Okay, fine, I guess we'll recover from these. Yeah. I mean I'm just like happy my Wednesday and it is not going to be like three hours of television now because it was like Kardashians Beverly Hills a lot. At least now it's only two hours. Well, I guess we have a month until I started going out and stalking the real house in Miami, all around Miami. I love that for you. There is Real Housewives of answer Dam coming, so I was that. Yeah, but I think it's in Dutch, so I don't know if I'll be watching because like I'm not a subtitles literally girly.

1:13:38 Yeah, I just can't. It's too much reading for me to work on your Dutch. I don't know if it's the language that you just like pick up. Well, on this note, I guess um we'll be finishing up. I'm going back to bed because I don't know if you guys can tell, I'm under the weather, so I'm just like a grandma. And I will also be going to bed because it's who I am here in Asterdam. Let us know your thoughts. Thanks for being with us. I hope you loved gossiping with us. See you next week. By Besties