The Housewife We Hate, Tom Brady is Florida Man, And The Kardashians Duh

0:08 Hi, you're listening to the My Reality Says podcast, brought to you by My Therapist Says. We're here to discuss everything pop culture, influencers, blone gossip, and of course reality TV. We put the tea in reality. On this week's episode, we're going to be talking about the Kardashians, all the Chloe interest in drama. We're doing a full recap of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills finale and the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Also some celebrity gossip, including the tea about Tom and Giselle's divorce. I'm Gina and I'm Nicole, and welcome to our first episode, and we're gonna be discussing all the tea this week. I mean, I can't even keep up with how much gossip there was this week. I think I actually have whiplash from it. I think we spent like fifty hours this week watching all the shows because there's so many new episodes this week, like everything is airing right now.

1:07 Pretty sure my boyfriend does not want to hear the word housewife ever again. Oh my god. Sam. He's like, are you done? Yeah, And I'm like, we just have like three more hours of television to watch like it's for work. Meanwhile, I'm on the couch like passed out, like with my laptop and like popcorn, and this is work. Well, I think we should start with the Kardashians because the new season just started. It's so good. I think season so far, I'm liking it actually better than the first season. The first episode made me so sad this season, like I was actually in tears. Oh my god, I cried, Yeah, fully cried. It was so emotional and like, I feel so much for Chloe. I can't even imagine. She's been through so so so much. It's insane. As she said in that quiz, the most resilient person ever, and she deserves like a ward, like a noble peace prize.

2:12 I don't think I would be as like sweet and like understanding if someone put me through so much, so I think she's incredible for that alone. Like everything she's been put through is honestly what you know. It's funny. One day first started dating, like Chloe and Tristan like what like five years ago. Yeah, I thought they were like the cutest couple. I was like, oh my god, they're meant to be. I felt like Kim was a little jealous of them because they was so cute, and like, I don't know how we ended up here, and like this episode was so emotional and I was literally texting all my friends and being like, oh my god, are you watching this? I'm actually cheering up the same same And it's so sad because you know, she wanted that like balon fairy tale, like happy ending, white picket fence. It's not worth her pain. I think I really hope she doesn't go back to him just because she wants that like idealistic lifestyle, because this like this should be the final, final, final straw. He's like the scum of the earth. I mean, it would have been fake even if she did try again, right, Like she knows it's not that ideal relationship. It's not a mean close. How can you keep going back to someone who keeps hurting you like that, like he has zero respect for what they have, Like I don't understand. Honestly, she's still like so nice to him, and and even um Chris was nice to him, like we saw the most recent episode, like she was like messaging him being like, oh, your life can change in a minute,

3:45 because like basketball career was changing, and I was like, isn't this a little insensitive considering like what Chloe's going through and that her whole entire life has just changed. Like I know, it's like, I don't know, I feel like she's trying to, like, you know, not pick sides and kind of be like nice to him because he's her grandchild's father. But I mean, like, I don't know, it couldn't be me. It seemed like more like a bestie like friendship texting, not like, oh, it's Tristan and we have to deal with him. And I think Chris did a little bit of that with Lamar, like when Lamar was going through all of his addiction issues and Chris was still like texting him on the side, which is kind of like an awkward dynamic for Chloe. Um hmm. I think she does that with like everyone. I mean, you know, she comes out with Scott and like I think it's like the mama bear of all of them. I think I do think they feel like a parental connection with her, like all the people that date into the family, and that's like very cool, but like, I don't know, they keep disrespecting all of this and the the whole family embracing them and like, you know, how do you cheating? You're cheating on the whole family. Yeah, Like I loved what Kylie said where she was like this is like unforgivable in my books, Like I think she really like stud her ground and was like, this is

5:19 it. I can't look at him the same way basically, which is how I think everybody who's not even in the family feels. Like. I don't think I've ever felt this way about like a random celebrity cheating compared to how I feel about Tristan because he's just continuously doing it with like no remorse. Yeah, And I was just like kind of makes Chloe look bad to so many fans because they're like, why do you keep letting this happen to you? Why do you keep like opening that door and allowing this. And it's just like really sad because you can tell like she just really loves them and she wants her family not to break up, but like she also clearly is embarrassed since like she didn't tell anyone she was engaged. Yeah, It's it's just such a tough situation all around, because I think everybody wants Chloe to be so happy. M hm. That baby shower broke me. Oh my god. The fact that Chloe has all her sisters like here for her during this whole entire journey, Like I think it would be hard for anybody to get through it without like a support system like that. Yeah, and she has a big one, so yeah, that's amazing. Um. I do feel really bad for when she got her brain scan and I was like, wow, you can see the trauma, Like that was so heartbreaking. I just feel like for anyone, I guess, like when like your heartbreaks like that, I didn't know that there would be such physical like manifestations of that

6:51 like on a scan. It kind of made me want to see my brain skin like At the same time, I'm like scared and like what if gonna find out a pea in there? Like two brains, Like where's the brain? We don't need to prove anyone's point, But yeah, I think Chloe has been so brave and I'm just so proud of her for going through all of this. Everybody jokes about it, the media like tears her apart. It's just she's just like getting better and better. I feel like seeming like I feel like she's getting a better at handling it. I mean, like I hope she is, because like, look how like thin she got.

7:38 And as Courtney said this week, when I'm thin, I'm unhappy, and I feel like that goes for a lot of us. I'm like that too, So I'm actually the opposite when when I'm unhappy, I like eat everything and I just like sit in bed and just like shovel food into my mouth and you're sad about it, like it's all was like you don't gain weight, Like I don't know where the calories go, because like I mean not for everyone, but for me, like I ate a lot, and like when I was depressed and heartbroken and I still stayed like so skinny, and it was like unhealthy. Everyone was like, okay, are you eating? And I'm like, I'm meeting more than ever before. And I feel like I relate to like, first of all, I'm the same like height and like sizes Courtney. So it's really funny to me when she was like, oh, I was like ninety one pounds of my saddest and I'm like, same girl. No, she looks like the happiest she's ever been. I I'm so happy for Courtney and Travis. Like the cutest little family I was seeing this week, Like people try and tear it apart, being like they don't live in the same house, and I was like, they live across the street. They're going to move in together eventually, Like please like stop trying to like find something to like tear them apart because they're just like so obsessed with each other. I really don't see them spending a minute apart.

8:56 No, They're like making out every second and just how it is. And Kim has gotten dinner too as well. I love the blonde hair, I love the whole look. But Kim also like works out twice today, I mean, so does Chloe. Yeah. I think Chloe works out like the hardest out of all of them. They were Yeah, every day I wake up on Instagram, She's already been working on for three hours. I'm like, what the hell man, way to make me feel like the biggest piece of ship ever, Like I want your body, but like I don't really want to wake up. Yeah, no, it's not gonna happen, but go Chloe. I was happy that she got to go to Palm Springs with Chris and Corey and like third Wheel them, I mean it's a little funny to third wheel like your mom and her boyfriend, but they're also close, and like Chris is so much fun I would do it. Oh my god, I just found like a whole show of just Chris Jenner getting high, Like it's not I would watch that episode like I was peeing like her.

9:58 She was so funny. The part where she seriously asked, like how do you get your hair to flip like that? I couldn't stop. I was like, I can't breathe. She was amazing, and I could tell like Chloe was just looking at her like is this happening right now? It's like such a funny juxtaposition because like Chris is like such a boss woman and like to see her like let loose like that. I would kill to see those emails she was sending I'm dying, I need to be framed. I'm like putting them on my wall. Um. Yeah, So that was amazing.

10:43 That trip was super cute. And then like the whole Candle and Kim doing Passion Week together is always so cute to me. That was so cute. I love that whole trip. This this whole episode was like really fun compared to Wholesother episodes were like the first to like me heavy, it's sad yet um so it's nice to have like the sister bond, the family bond, Kylie getting back into work, like everything was kind of like a little bit more positive in this episode, which I loved because it was it's a little depressing the first. Yeah, you can't have like every episode be so heavy, like you need like a lighter like almost to unload in between. I mean it is their life though, so like if it is heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy, it's like what are you gonna do? But um, it was nice to see that like things were like looking up for them.

11:39 Of one thing I did find a little weird is Kendall because she dyed her hair red and she was like, I don't want anybody to see it. Um, I just want to like have the debut at the Proud Of Fashion Show. And I was like, okay, cool, Yeah, but you have like access to like the best glam teams in the world, and like you can just get a wig like you're in Milan, like go have fun, girl, Like what are you doing in bed? Like yeah, I feel like Kim would have shared her glam team happily yeah, or a product glam team, I'm sure like anybody. Yeah. I also thought it was really really cute that like they were so excited about being invited by Product and like walking the Product show, and I had no clue it was like Candall's first time because I expected her to have done like everything by now, and it's nice that it's still so exciting for her. Same And another thing that was so shocked by was um in the episode they were like, Kim hasn't gotten Hollywood Walk of Fame star. I was like left, like chimist, like arguably one of the most famous people in the entire world right now.

12:48 I mean, she's definitely going to get one eventually, but I do think it takes like decades to get one, agreed. But then you like look at some of the people who have gotten one, and you're like, I mean didn't j Lo just get hers like a year or two ago, like recently? Oh really, I didn't know that. Yeah. I was like all these like other famous people that have been like famous for way longer, they literally just are getting there. So I feel like for them, it's like the timing, like how long I guess can you stay famous? But like Kim was saying, like Lastie the Dog, Hey, Lastie is huge. Last sees this left um. But like I'm just thinking back because like when we were at the Mecala, like every celebrity was like like applause, applause, pause, but then when Kim came, Kim and Pete came, it was shut it down, like I couldn't hear. And it just shows how big of a celebrity she is. So to think like she doesn't have a star on the Walk of Fame, it's like I feel like it's a matter of time. Honestly, I feel like she's and she was so excited about like her episode of like what being submitted into consideration for the Emmys, which was so cute, and like I like that she just like keeps getting excited about all these things that you would think that she'd be like, you know, like used to buy whatever. Yeah, And it just shows

14:22 that there's always like something like a new go to, like like strive for something new. I'm like rooting for her. I mean, yeah, I'm kind of sad that her and Peter done, because she was speaking of him like in such a cute way that like, you know, she seemed to really like him when she was like shopping for him and Milan, she was just so thoughtful. Yeah, I'm interested to see how it plays out because like the breakup, Yeah, if they're going to actually show it, or if they're just gonna like fix plainted and say, you know, things didn't work out. Um, But I really hope they do show because I haven't shown. How about they just show kind of like little tidbit interactions but not really screen time. That's true, but like now almost like how she talks about him and how she talks about the relationship, it almost like makes me believe it's like so far from what we see so far, like those rumors and like um like blind items of like you know, Pete being the one to break things off and him being over it and all these things, and it just like like it makes me feel like that there could be truth to that because Kim seems so into it. But then I'm like we he like got his tattoo removed her like right away, and so that makes me think

15:54 the opposite that like that he feels about it him broke up with him, and he's like, get this tattoo like off of me right away because if he didn't care, he wouldn't. He gives him like mad feelings and he's like upset about it. So that's a good point, yeah, because like it's not like he would be like, oh, I hate this bitch whatever, let's get this off my body. I dumped her, Like it doesn't make sense. I don't think he cares, like trying to cleanse him from like his feelings. That's interesting. I'm really curious now to see it could just see like a mutual breakup on both sides. But I mean those are rare. I think, honestly, how many breakups are truly mutual? Yeah, that's what the PR person says. It's like like someone is going to voice sit first and be like, we came to an understanding and we grew up part Mamma, Like yeah, it's like I told this person that we grew apart and they kind of had no choice but to agree. I kicked them out of my house and I told him eve and we grew to an understanding. It's like I filed for the bores but same but no worries.

17:12 We're good. Can we like do a little pivot here and go to Tom and Giselle? Oh, my god, that is heartbaking to me. I love them, father, They're like the most beautiful couple. I I don't understand like when the news like we heard like a little bit of rumors, but I mean you hear rumors about like almost every couple in Hollywood nowadays. But I was shook. I so, do you know what the rumors are? Like? Is it just that he came back to football and she was like nah, yeah, this so the story is I think that she's been threatening him with divorced for like a few years now and being like for him to quit, yeah, like quit football, Like I basically like give up my life for you. Who Like she's a huge model, and I think she kind of like gives up her life to take care of the kids and like games and stuff. Um, that's like the thing when you're dating an athlete. I feel like you you just have to like surrender every part of your life and just be kind of like a like a yes woman in that sense, and I don't think like a really supportive woman and like you have to really put like I guess them and their career first. And funny because both of their careers are kind of age sensitive, right, like they will

18:47 like age out faster than any other career and like they would have to pivot, And I think Gisel was probably thinking like, Okay, we're both aging, like we're both going to retire and just like chill with the kid, and Tom's like, Okay, I love football too much. I'm going back. So I can see like where Giselle is coming from for sure if that's the case. But I really really really hope that what happens is like this is just kind of like another threat and they like end up getting back together and he like finishes football after this year. I mean, I feel like she's probably at a point where she's like those are all the promises. I don't believe you. Yeah, who do we think they're going to date after this? Because like the internet has been going crazy like no fucking way, Like, no way Giselle going to Pete Dancer. Well, to be fair, you did not thank him, would either? I know, I know, but like I just think Giselle is like in a different place, do you know what I'm saying? Like I feel like would be hard to like kind of go to like for someone after Tom Brady. Personally, it would be hard for me to top that, Like if that was my husband, I don't know, like where do you go from there? So what I

20:18 was kind of thinking, I was like, maybe she'll go back to Leo because they had a good run. Do you think she would because she's like a mom of like two or three kids. I don't know how many kids to have, honestly, but like she's like a full on mom with like a life, and like she's not gonna be following like Leo around and like partying with him doing the club thing. I agree, but like maybe Leah's like finally gonna grow and be like Okay, I feel like that's a Christmas wish and that's just not happening. I don't see that my Christmas wish. I can still see them like going to the Maccalice other like there's a photo in my head and I'm just like, Okay, perfect couple, that would break the internet, and um, that would only happen in your fan fiction.

21:07 To argue back, Pete and Kim, we we never thought that would happen. That's true, but Leo's slowly aging aging well friends eventually maybe in five girlfriends. Either of them wanted to do something for publicity. That would be it I think of anything. Tom might actually follow in Leo's footsteps and find a girl who's like like a young model, super young model who likes fine with him playing football and like following him around basically like how many more years is we gonna play football for? Though? I know, aren't you hurting? Like my back hurt? Aren't tired? Yeah? Like I just want to sit down, Tom, don't you like I'm tired watching these people?

22:00 Seriously? Can we talk about the Housewives because it's been Housewives overload and I would like to discuss Beverly Hills first because this season has been insane and like emotionally a lot, this season has been crazy. It's been like a full on roller coaster. This finale, Like I just got so angry at this finale, Like especially, I was like violently. It's funny because like way back I used to be are gonna stand like way back and now I just can't stand. I feel like there's never been a season of Housewives that I've enjoyed her and that she didn't make me like angry and like I don't understand why everybody is so afraid of her. Was so nice to her and doesn't call her out because I feel like she does things that are like very calloutable, very often, and it's not even like rational her argument. I don't get it, Like people just like oh right, that's going off, Like that's it. I have no more arguments, like what and like the audacity for her to call other people out when she does this herself like every other episode, Like she's like he can't believe Kathy did this when like like you unrattle every episode you were like kicking people out of your house, saying

23:32 like for no reason and like growing stuff and getting violent and like nearly table flipping, like calm down, we remember, like it wasn't that long ago. Yeah, I can't even begin to understand Brenda's mind in this episode, Like I think she realizes that she's maybe like aging out of her Housewives era, not changing out, but more like people are tired of her ship. Yeah that's what I mean. Um, sorry I used the wrong word there, but like people are just done with her. Her time is coming too, yeah exactly. Um, And I think she's just like holding on too, like whatever drama she can find, which it's just not looking good on her and it honestly discussed me like the things at this point pathy, Oh my god, when Cathy is trying to apologize and cry and like I was like, oh, my friend is terminal cancer, this and that, and Lisa's just like looking at her like, so what do you want me to say? She's like, if I stuck with this, then I would have gotten cancer. And it's like what that's what is the scientific measure of cancer?

24:49 I'm confused, Like what is this like hypothesis. What she's insinuating then, is that like people who get cancer are doing something bad and then at cancer like because they're like hiding something, which is like so holding stuff in, like relax, it's it's not even about you. She wasn't even going off at Rinna like it had nothing to do with you. Don't get involved with sister ship, like relax, it's not about you. But I just feel like at this point, she's just like throwing random ship at the wall and see what's six and she's just like still in her like soap oper days. She's oh my god, crying. She's like I can't be here to traumatizing again. I can't like she help you made help Brena, like for real. She acts like she was like under like a like a she had she went through like a traumatic experience like she was like held hostage or something like you know, she acts like something like the Reeds, like trauma happened to her. It was like life or death. She thought Kathy was gonna kill her, Like what, I had to lock myself in the room, Like first of all, if I was I would be going off at Renna for the whole tequila thing. That was so rude and like not cool at all, and just as a friend, it was not cool, like you know my friends was Candle calmed down. Your real friend is right here, and you're the one who's jealous of the Kardashians. Let's just get that straight.

26:18 You try to dress like them, You try to have their same like lip kit hustle, like let's just call it. You're trying to like you were trying exactly. So. I remember when she joined the Housewives, there was like a rumor that she's just trying to do the Yolanda hadid like become a housewives so her daughters become supermodels, like Gig and Bella because she was like jealous, and then there were like the rumors that like Yolan does jealous of the Kardashians, so she wanted to like you know, join the housewives blah blah blah. And I just like I get that as a small town and everybody knows each other and everybody kind of would want to emulate that success of the Kardashians. But like even the Kardashians give credit to the Hiltons, Like you don't go and say Cathy Hilton. It's so jealous of the Kardashian Like, can you sit down a level like respect Hollywood royalty a little bit.

27:11 Rna and Erica have gotten into this like crazy villain era where they're both like feeding like negative energy off of each other, and it's just like that something like breaking out the worst in each other and everyone else. It's like we all love a little bit of drama. But none of this is looking good on either of them. I mean, Erica already was not looking good before this, but her ally ship with Rena and everything that's going on is just like making And also I mean she's not really helping herself either with the whole Like I don't care about the victims, like I only care about me.

27:53 Yeah, Like where where where did they lose money? Like show show me. It's like, can you just like I mean, I mean she she has given the earrings back, but it was only after it was like court ordered. It's the thing. It's like she needs to show just like okay to sympathy. Yes, I agree with that because obviously, like from a pr perspective, if I were her, I would like, you know, definitely play up the sympathy cards and like try to like we have like your image, like make people like change people's opinion of her, especially if she's innocent. And then on the other hand, I can see that if she is innocent, like she'd be mad. She's like why should I give up my stuff? And I didn't do anything. Well, as it's on me, you are everything from me. Like I get that side too, but don't even think there's like a human like emotion like if you're actually in that situation where you're like I still will have like more than any of these victims that were like fucked over that like these are fucking ear rings. This can like change their life. And I'm on a show and I'm famous and like I can still make that money in like a year, probably exactly.

29:11 They're like these are like families of like dead people from burn victims, Like they're actually demastated by it. And I feel like if you just showed if I feel like if you at least pretended to like lie to us, she's not helping her case. She didn't even try. I feel like she's really embracing the villain era for sure. Another one who is like came in swinging trying to be the villain, but then quickly was like, nope, maybe I can't compete with these people. Is Diana. Oh my god, Diana. I really with Diana. This woman. I was dying because when she walked in and she was like, I said no to Jules because carrots scarrots, I was like, what that is on a different planet. Like I feel like when you are that level of wealthy and like that level of socialite, you would have like a little more class maybe to not throw your money around so much in everyone's face and act like you're like it's like you're used to it, like stop trying to like show off basically, And she just comes across as like a very chiwaffie girl like in high school. Yeah.

30:30 I think it's because she's only had it for so much, like I don't think it was that little yeah, but like I mean, I don't know the timeline, but like that new money mentality where she's like still shoving it in everybody's faces and she's like, I don't go shopping. I'm allergic to dust. Um, but I don't remember seeing a lot of dust at like chanel. But okay, okay there, you know, I'm going to value village, like what's happening the hotel before I go, Like it's just also a little chick. My team has to go and make me comfortable, like okay, we get it. Your extra you're like, you know, like wealthy and like, you know, like pratsy in a fun way like but at the same time, like I get that she's not interested in trying to be relatable, but like I feel like even like rich people would be like what are you doing? Like before she joined Kathy S's like what the hell is? And people thought Kathy was extra when she was all like I have a butler or like I don't do this. I don't know how this works in my house. And then like Diana comes and she's like, hold my hair, I got this. Kathy does her like extravagance and like such a cute way, like when like a mom, like she's like, why isn't there something to eat? I'm a little bit hungry, Like it's fair that

32:00 because I feel the Crystal is not a good host. I'm like, why don't you have anything else? Someone comes over to your house the first thing you do was anyone is like, hey, do you want something to eat? Your drink? And even if they say you put it out, put something out for someone, like, nobody just comes over comes and stare at you, like what I feel like when people come over to Kathy's house, he's like, here's some caveo, here's my butler's hospitality, a five course meal on our little TV stands whatever, dutiful. I mean, I would love to go for lunch with Kathy's but like I just feel like you don't need a butler to like be like to have good manners and be like show some hospitality. Like I don't know, it's not about money, it's about it's just weird. I don't know what Like it would bother me as a friend, Like if I want someone's house and they fell into your house and you were like, oh, not offering me anything. I'd be like, what the hell can I have some like wine? Like what's happening? You know, it definitely made me uncomfortable. Crystals like make yourself at home, but don't like watch me do the dishes, Like what what else happened this week? Though? Oh the jewelry party? Okay, Garcel is the m v P this whole Like then basically this entire show is. I think they should just rename it into the Garcel Show because she's been the steady, like the most loyal normal person the entire show. She's been such a good friend

33:32 and like none of those people, not on any season, have ever been like consistently a good friend to anyone, none of them, And like Garcel is the most logical, Like it's so funny that um when Rena was like calling out Cathy, like trying to make a big deal, but she was like, Garcella, why are you getting involved in this? Because she are you that she knows that Garcella will call her out on her ship and she's just like getting nervous. I feel like Rena reminds me of almost like a chihuahua, and it's in a way where It's like she will attack you first to prevent you from actually calling you out. She'll be like, oh, Carsla, like what are you talking about? What are you coming at?

34:14 Because like if she did it to anyone else, they wouldn't say word, but like ourselves like oh smart for that. Yeah, she doesn't get distracted by like Renna's like outbursts. She like tears it apart. It's amazing, like shown time and time again that she's like a Rader die Bit. She's a good friend to have honestly in any town. And her and Sudden are like so cute. I love them together. I love them, And I think the way she handles like Erica and Nna and all of them, like Kyle should learn from her. I used to love Kyle so much, but I feel like she kind of like plays both sides and she kind of comes off a little shady. I still like her, but I just I love as a as a person, as a you know, um, celebrity housewife whatever. She is one of like the o G the favorite whatever, but um, and you know, like I think her family is amazing. I think they're so cute, like you know, her and Maurici or cute and I love what they built together shout yeah, Like I feel like how far she's come from. Like the first season is like so nice, Like I love that. I love watching her be successful, you know yeah, But like the last couple of seasons, she's been just like shit stirring in like the craft these ways where I'm like, Kyle, you're being a bad friend.

35:46 She'll say something to one person and another thing to the other person, then be like what and then how did this happen? Yeah, and then be like, oh, this person said this to me. Yeah they did right here and she does her like faces. Yeah I wasn't saying anything. I do feel mad for her and like her sister, like the whole relationship and like whatever, but breaks my heart. I do love that she stood up for Kathy and like was being a good sister and she was like that's our thing, and like she apologized and like let it go. But like I don't Sis, no matter what happens, like you're going to be like you know, like you're around me and my sisters, you don't dream of getting involved in our fights and we fight a lot. I have like, man, I'm good. Yeah, I feel like I'm good, Like you figured out, because it's always going to be like the random person who's going to end up at fault. Like, don't get involved with sibling fights like it's family. Like Renna just seemed like she wanted to like drill it in because she wanted to take the light away from Erica. If that was my sister, I would tell her to shut the funk up down. Yeah, And I feel like Kyle was not being strong enough with her. She was just like like quietly, just like being upset, and I'm like voice it, like speak up, Like this person is going off about your sister, but apparently they're only going off because they're concerned for you, So tell them

37:21 not to be concerned. Yeah, Like crying isn't going to do enough. Like she's clearly insane. She did call out Erica and like the whole leak, which I mean, we didn't see any proof, but like if she's saying it, I'm sure she's seen something. I mean, I think Kathy is like basically the FBI so came from Kathy's camp. Like I believe that. I don't think anyone would like to her and like not tell her. I feel like she'd find the truth because I feel like she has those relationships with people and respect of people that like she'd be getting the truth, and I think Erica is dying to get and shin off of her right now.

38:01 Yeah, which I understand. And even if Erica didn't know about it, if it was just her publicists, I get why it would be like a good opportunity like to do that, you know, But did you notice on the way over to the party, Rena was like, Oh, my publicists keep saying that Kathy is trying to squash it, And I'm like, why are you like having these conversations with your publicists, Like why do you care? Oh? Yeah, if if you heard from your team that Kathy is working really hard to like bury this and you keep bringing it up, clearly you keep leaking it. Is anybody else discussing this with nobody else cares.

38:44 Everybody else is just like living their own life. And to be fair, after all the stories that were happening before the episode aired, Oh, off the Aspen meltdown, Cathy like left blah blah blah. I thought it was gonna be way worse. Oh I was kind of let down. Yeah, I was like, oh, Kathy's going to be canceled, like he's gonna be He's not going to be at the reunion. She was nearly calling her racist and ship like it was like big accusations, and I was like, whoa, what did she say? Where are the receipts? N And like, honestly, if Renna really wanted to like screw with her, she could have accorded her why she was saying while she was saying these things, like but like why didn't she like text Kyle or something while this was happening, Why didn't she call anybody? So convenience exactly her partner and crime exactly?

39:46 Um, now going to talk about the whole purple get up? Oh my god, Like can you just be more obvious that you want to be the Kardashians. And then also her reunion look is like I didn't see it. It's um the leopard print dress, yeah, for Courtney's wedding and play the vintage You're so obvious about this, like just and you have the audacity to be like you are trying to be like the Kardashians to Kathy and it's like no, no, nobody's trying to be like the Kardashians more than Lisa Arenna and her daughter. It's embarrassing. Um, I mean, just because your daughter dated Scott Disick for like a hot second doesn't mean your best teach with Kendall Jenner and have to like support her tequila on your show. I feel like this is somehow getting back to Kendall and she's pulling a whole Mariah Carrie I don't know her a moment, Like, there's no way Kendall even wants this advertisement coming from Lisa Wrenna of all people. She's like, I'd like to be excluded from this narrative, you know. I mean, Kendall is even friends with Amelia or Delila Gray. Why would she be friends with middle age soap opera Lisa Arena. Like, it doesn't make sense. I can't.

41:08 I can't even talk about Lisa more like she makes me angry. Let's move on to another topic. I just finished actually catching up on the new first two episodes of Salt Lake City, and I just feel like a lot is happening. It's like it's already intense. Season is giving. I'm here for it. Um, we're getting like Lisa being accused of sleeping with him on her tequila. We're getting a jazz ticket. Oh my god, jazz tickets next episode, Like I can't wait to hear that. I don't think they're worth it, honestly, but okay, imagine they're not courtside that would die. I just find it so crazy how like Lisa Barrow went from being like my favorite person on the show, the most normal one, to like completely unraveling last season and now dealing with all the repercussions. So she's so chaotic, but like I'm obsessed with watching her, like having her on my screen like makes she makes the show. She was not on the show, like I think it would be so boring, Like the part where they did the montage of her talking shit about everybody, and I was just like that was like I was cringing so hard. I was dying, like living for it. That she's like the drama of the whole show. She had something

42:39 to say about everyone. Yeah, there's a good time girl like that, Like it goes all the way back to the first season, and like she always came in with like little comments that like made people like be like really, yeah, I love the editing that they do on Salt, Like it's amazing. Also, I was just dying at the fact that they're all like we have to do it before prison trip to celebration. It's like, guess my country is this for like baby moon but for prison? Like what is going on here? When they're that is like I would prefer the balteams or BALI. Yeah, same bitch. We're gonna go to um, which is basically like Utah but somehow more white, Like what is that possible? Like I didn't know that existed. No, I've been to Arizona. It does exist. No, but like I thought like Utah was the whitest the whole like trip was hilarious and them giving Jen the best room because they're like it's going to be so you're gonna be sharing the cell with like me, two or three roommates, so like you get the best room. It was like sweet, but like honey and like sad. Speaking of sad the whole gen crying about her innocence and like crying with a shaman, crying to her mom

44:10 like and then bleeding guilty, like I feel so bad for her mom and like her family in general, but like she made her mom like empty out her retirement savings account to fight her that she knew that she was guilty for she should have just pleaded guilty from the beginning. Just be fucking honest to your family, at least at the bare minimum. I don't get it when you're doing something illegal, how the hell do you go on reality television? Kind of balls do you have? I don't get it, Like it happens all the time clearly and with like um the judaises that happened with Um, it's not happening with Jen show, Like it just doesn't make sense. You really think you're gonna be the one person that no one's going to look into.

45:00 Know it's and it's always the craziest one. So once everyone wants to look into like they're the most like out there ones. They always have the shadiest backgrounds and look at the flashiest life, seven square foot house on a coach budget. I actually prefer the new one. I did not like the old house. I thought it was very tacky. I didn't like it at all. I like Whitney's house a lot. Actually. I think it's like nice and modern. Yeah, it's really cute. I love her little speakeasy thing that she just so cute, so cute, So bad for her it's like I can't think, mean, like imagine like blocking out your entire like youth, like from nine to seventeen is a long time. That's like and to have that like play out on television where you're like remembering everything, it's just like poor girl, just trying to heal for three seasons. I know, and like, Okay, I feel for her so much, but I'm just kind of like, Okay, you need like real therapy, not like this like weird like energy healing, like this is like deep traumatic stuff that likely a professional for and not just someone who's going to stage your place.

46:16 I'm sorry. I love her and I really feel so bad for her, but I'm just like, please go to therapy. What are you doing with these like shamas? Maybe like do that and talk to someone. Yeah, I just feel like this is not enough. Yeah yeah yeah. So I felt um really bad for Meredith and Lisa because I love them together, but it was really funny to me. The New York trolling was incredible. Oh my god, I love New York merch. Is like top tier level shade on Meredith part like funny, and then I also love the thing the next episode they're doing the garbage theme. That's just kind of iconic. I kind of want my next birthday to be themes. Yeah, should we go for that as Halloween garbage trash horse? I feel like not enough people would know.

47:14 I would love to actually gonna think we're garbage trash horse. Probably my favorite part is Hall Lisa's like she's like like shoveling it under the rug, Like she's like, we've been bun mistakes for like ten years, and I did one mistake. I just like called her hor that stuff with all of New York, Like I just that's it. Yeah, Like that's that's all. Move on. I forgave myself. You should forgive me too. What that I forgave myself part was my favorite. Oh my god, the levels of delusion, it's amazing. I was just like, okay, I'm pretty sure it's like not up to you, and that you told your best one of fifteen years that she slept with all of New York and she had and she's on her husband that she has no money. Not my thought is the cheating whole um. What I feel like, if you said that about me in a fight, I'd be like, you may be dead to me.

48:09 So this is like blocking and like you again kind of ground like on national television, like with our grown children and everything, like these people that Hanna got together like best friends pretending but yeah, and she's like I just don't understand, like I want to talk about it, and you're like at a party and like this is the right time, after like not reaching out for so long. This is Yeah, She's like, cameras are here, let's talk about it. Let's hash this out. Like no, yeah. Honestly, I feel like if she really really felt bad, she would have maybe tried to be like moved past it before the cameras started filming. Yeah, oh Lisa, not many months. Letting it go is so fucked. Meredith is like bitch or dead to me, I'm done. I love Meredith.

49:04 She's like, I'm disengaging. We're over. I was uncomfortable coming to the shaman thing. Honestly, I'm surprised she then came. I was. I was hoping to see like they come up. Yeah exactly. That's something I definitely can see her doing. Another thing that was like actually made me feel bad for Lisa was like her son in college, and I was like, what is happening? How spoiled are you. Oh my god, her son was like a little brat. I'm like, but just like, this is what happens when you give your kids, like a businesses when they're like five years old, and you like make it seem like they're doing all of it was exactly just bankrolling it, and they're like, I'm the best. I don't need school. And they feel like they graduated business school and they're good.

49:52 They have the experience of life. You're gonna go on to like start some scam crypto business or something. Hud moved to Miami. Can we talk about Kim and her crypto scam? I mean, oh yeah, I like, Okay, you have so much money, why are you doing these like scammy things like as and yeah, we get those things as rich as you, so like, why are you accepting those? I just don't have much. I don't believe they paid her more than she now has to pay the sec Like I think I think I saw that they paid her two hundred dollars for those that's it. Yeah, and she's now has to pay like a million point two or something. Yeah. Also, that like really like makes your brand look bad, like really dying that much for like two dollars when you can get it in so many more legitimate ways as Kim Kardashian, Like, I just don't sast it. It cheapens her brand when she does that, Like when all the Kardashians do those like loo giveaways, like I never get Oh my god, I don't get it. They're like making those illegal.

51:05 I am confused. Why would you want people not to trust you? And then every other product that you push out is gonna you have legitimate businesses. At this point, I feel like she's like ten years above that in her career. Ye, Like like they were like doing like the like back and like, yeah, that's like Kardashian collection style. But now it's like she has so much to lose. Yeah, and it's just fucked up all around because you're scamming people. I mean, like sure she didn't know, but she didn't care to look into it. I was like dying because like now everyone's like, oh, she's a lawyer and she should have known. Is she going to do a podcast episode on that? Oh my god, speaking of a podcast, I haven't listened to it yet, but I listened to it either. Apparently it's true crime and you know, I live for true crime. So I'm a deaf going to be listening to it. It's so funny because it's like what can't Kim do? She's literally doing everything right now. I love it. I do like the clever way she married, like you know, the trending true crime thing with like her like passion for like wrongfully convicted and like prison reform and all of that. I think it's so smart, Like that was amazing. It's so smart because you know, she got her baby bar. We didn't really foresee her going to court and you know, starting up a whole law firm, becoming a real lawyer.

52:30 So this is like the perfect segue into um criminal justice reform and also using like her celebrity status to amplify it. Speaking of podcasts, I think we are running out of time on this line. There's just been so much gossip this week to discuss UM. We haven't even gone through all of it. So stay tuned for next episode where we will be discussing and at delby Um j Lo and Ben Affleck. There's some tea with that at UM Britney Spears and her instagram post um Or. We're really going to get into it next episode. So stay tuned. We will be keeping you updated though on the hour on my reality Says Instagram accounts, so if we can get to it on the podcast, we will definitely get to it there. We post a lot of like all the news to our stories, so you guys should definitely not miss any. Yes, tell us how you like this podcast. We'd love to hear any feedback and tips. You know, it's our first episode, Happy Girls Out. Thank you so much for tuning in. Um, obviously we're gonna get better and better this, let's hope. But we love sharing our gossip with you guys. Yeah, go easy on ut please, It's our first time, but thank you so much for gossiping with us, and I hope you have a great rest of your day. By besties be

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