What Black Cinema Means to Us | Josh Pray, Rossie & John Discuss Culture, Film, and Representation

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[SPEAKER_01]: And hello, movie lover.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So looking to show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So today I have my good friend and co-host Lossie Whitney.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have the man, the myth, the legend Joshua Frey, comedy comedian.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome to have him on here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Talking about what does black stimulant lose us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really love this idea that Josh pitched to us because I think this is actually the perfect month to be able to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Black cinema, what does it mean to everybody and stuff like that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to have you here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know you guys are cute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me find my button so I can go ahead and enter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And here we go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And hey Josh, welcome back.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What is the King in Queen on this marvelous occasion of a day?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you see, now you made my day, no, my wife don't even call me King.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that helps me right there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I got to take that back.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I can't be calling you things your wife don't call you now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I got to not come on there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Don't know, do me like that, Jim.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What's up, though?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I said by the doing, let's talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think this is a great subject.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm excited to pick John's brain apart.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, you know how to go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to start off before we get the conversation going.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted people to know that there are many different errors and black history cinema.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to start off with the first era, which is the early resistance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was from 1898 to 1971.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a black filmmakers created independent production companies to bypass mainstream racism producing films like within our gates and regeneration within our gates was 1920 regeneration was in 1923 those were two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: prominent films at the time that did very well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we moved into the black exploitation wave, which was in 1970s.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this was a genre of independently produced films that featured black protagonists overcoming the man iconic titles including chef, Foxy Brown, so many more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we have the new wave.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the 1980s through the 1990s.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we have directors like Spike Lee, John Singleton,

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[SPEAKER_02]: mainstream with due to right thing, boys in a hood, and then finally the error that we're in right now is called the modern watershed era.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is from the 2010s to present.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a surge in diverse genres from the horror set tire of Jordan Peels get out to the historic box office success of Ryan Kougler's Black Panther.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's just a little history of the different areas that we have in Black history, you guys.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I didn't even I didn't even thank you for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She educated me on this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I never knew the definition of black solicitation.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So thank you so much for bringing that down for me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And now I no longer am being married to it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I know that you mentioned the comedy to me, Josh, that you're called boomerang with any Murphy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they're one of the greatest comedies ever absolutely absolutely yes, and let me tell you this man like I remember running this from the video sword like at age nine or 10 and let me tell you this my mom said this because she loves any Murphy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is what she was up saying to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was up saying, oh, I can't, I know, no, no, no, that's a dirty movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How could, like, let's not dirty about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't understand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, she wouldn't let me watch it or anything, and then I go on a hand, I go to blockbuster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And well, no, I'll take that back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I went on ahead and I started watching it on USA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But is the edited and condensed one?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not the one that she's seen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm like, I'm real.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then the person until it may be college.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when she winds up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whenever I wind up finding out what the big deal was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I love when boomerang came out, I was a fan of Halle Berry, you know, Eddie Murphy films, really good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So boomerang for a young girl, it was just the love story with Robin Gibbons and and Eddie Murphy and they're back and forth.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you have Halle Berry who's like the good girl, but he doesn't want her because he wants someone like Robin Gibbons who's character at the time

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[SPEAKER_02]: The movie was funny, they did such a good job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It and we got introduced to a lot of new comics at the time that was in the movie and that's what I'd love to about Eddie Murphy's films was that he always brought in like Richard prior or Red Fox, you know, with Harlem Knights, but Wolverine was great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen it so many times and it's always just a really funny good movie.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Hi, y'all.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry, I got interrupted.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I usually

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[SPEAKER_04]: have my things on airplane mode.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry I apologize.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So, so let me let me guess because I just got in at the end of Rossy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You're breaking down while you love boomerang, correct?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So, so here's some, here's some things I didn't know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I actually had a reaction.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I did a reaction to boomerang.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think December, maybe late November, but December, maybe.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe, Jay, or I don't know, but when I did a reaction to the director of Brunerang, actually, um, reposting and reshared my video, and we shared a couple of DMs together.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I told him he was great, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I did not know the same director actually directed House Party as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Really?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Hell, I had no idea.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He directed House Party one.

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[SPEAKER_04]: furthermore, although the story was great, my video that I did, I was praising Eddie Murphy for having, and Rossi, this is all the years back because they're a woman and I want you to be respected, but having a beautiful roster of women that has never been seen like that, that pretty much

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[SPEAKER_04]: He's the Campbell who was Gina on Martin was the crazy lady, which was a side character.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, she was a side character outside the house.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He, oh, my gosh.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Why am I going blank right now?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Is it Grace Jones?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Great Jones, she was in there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was a wild lady.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He had Grace Jones cursing in a movie about being turned down.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, every woman in that, I think,

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think Boomerang did them for number of job at showing the sex appeal and the power and prowess of women.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love that it didn't play on a lot of black tropes of, this is the ugly friend they did it do that at all.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Everyone was beautiful and successful in their own right Eddie Murphy was just so

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[SPEAKER_04]: that was probably my introduction.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I because I rewatched it as an adult and that was my introduction to like I really hated Robin Gibbons.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I did that movie and I think they did a phenomenal job of like making man hold the mirror to their face because that was the scene of that movie where

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[SPEAKER_04]: she stood him up and she didn't come through and she went to his apartment and she had a something sexy and he's feeling for her.

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[SPEAKER_04]: His feelings were hurt and he was like no don't touch me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I waited for you and she gave me no glass and she put it on him and she left him $200.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right, that's right, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's laying in a bed with the blanket up to him because he realizes that the role is that changed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is a playboy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, and like you said, he looked beautiful in the film.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he was absolutely beautiful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And being a young girl like that time, you didn't see a film with so many beautiful black women.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I didn't see that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So to see like even Robin Gibbons and Halle Berry, Grace Jones and all the earth I can't,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just a different.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she was here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it was like different levels of black women from older middle age to younger black women and they were all different color of sizes and they were beautiful and and as just a young woman, it was nice, you know, you fantasize, you know, and you want it someone like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Eddie Murphy, you know, at that time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they did a good job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought it wasn't Eddie Murphy directed film.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I did not know that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm happy that you brought that up because you think it's Eddie Murphy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, yeah, which, which when you look at how, which when you go back and look at house party like it's cool because Our first table rang then house party in Martin and Gina or in that movie as well right opposite of each other, which they became a couple and one of the greatest it comes out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, but I wanted to talk to you guys about I don't already talked to Rossi about this, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: Josh, the reason here's what happened to me at nine or 10 years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've rented this movie because I love any Murphy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My mom or the man, she, she was like, I'm going to watch this before you do because I want to make sure that the contents are cool right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The next morning I wake up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said, well, where's the movie from Blockbuster?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not watching the disgusting movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That movie's just disgusting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's filthy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not, you're not going to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, what's so filthy?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just not going to get into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't even understand.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, when am I not going to understand?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's forward to a couple of years later, I'm watching it on USA, which is edited for TV, which I don't get the same experience as the united version.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Either way, it goes, I've seen you get PG-13 version, basically, boomerang.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I told you this is that there's nothing wrong with this movie, she goes, when are you watching?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm watching that disgusting movie that you don't know what I mean to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I was like nine or ten years old, I'm 13 now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then so I'm like, then once I got into high school on my college days, I've watched it unedited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And here's the thing, I love this moodness of any Murphy's character.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The Evan there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Evan there that you mentioned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love the whole entire thing of like he goes into his

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[SPEAKER_01]: being this guy that is all put together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He winds up having one night stands with different women and then the roles of reverse like you said and it just gives him layers to that character that I don't think anybody else would be able to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, I do live the fact that it's these beautiful gorgeous women of color that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: are being presented and it's women that you would actually fantasize to want to be with just yes they're only that but also the way that women look at Eddie we also want to be with these women as well yeah so that's something that I really loved about that and then the different age ranges between even with the male and female

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[SPEAKER_01]: People are that are black.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the fact that you have John with her spoon in this not only that is a kit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have different levels of men that are middle aged young and then you also have women of the same way as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So everybody is equally on equal grounds and equal playing field, which is something I really love.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Also, I want to mention that, you know, in the film we talked about Martin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you remember Eddie Murphy's best friends was Tommy from Martin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was Martin, that was his best friend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was the guy from a living color, David, David, David Allen, yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you remember, they did, they always did the hug thing, would they come in and do the hug.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, remember, if you watch Martin, how did he, his voice, they exactly, so a lot of them,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the director who directed House Party, a lot of them that was in boomerang, that was in house party end up being on Martin and a lot of those extras end up being on Martin show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, that was a big deal at the time that, you know, you got all this talent from, you know, boomerang and house party and then you see them on Martin doing kind of the same things that they had in boomerang, which was that bro love.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now I will say this before we go to the next movie real quick.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Looking at the movie because once you look at movies, we always want to play Alzheimer's because of this coming book stuck.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, who else could play the Eddie Murphy character?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I personally, me personally, I definitely think I would love absolutely love today for that exact same movie to be relayed with like a Michael B. Jordan.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like take it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like check it and he and he's and I would like for Tiana Taylor to be the Robin Gimmett's character.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that would be perfect.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, so I definitely think that could be remade and we don't and we can I know people get tired of Hollywood.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We're making the same things, but.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I do feel just particularly for Black Sentinel, I do think certain classic can be remade and and seeing Michael be joined hold a blanket to his face while he on a table walks out and leads him an apple gift card to something.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Please a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it would be that I mean, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I could see that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, after San Michael B. Jordan, you know, in sinners and the different sides of him, yeah, you could definitely see him playing, you know, Eddie Murphy's role in boomers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and Tiana Taylor, I mean, yeah, she could do that robbing given's role.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I would love it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I could see that but yeah, I could also I wouldn't mind more shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just not playing that role, though, too.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think he's too old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I could see that now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I definitely might go be Jordan then, because since this is actually the new age in New era.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has that box box office draw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I just feel like he can be a woman nicer on spring.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, don't spring.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I just feel like he's he's he's very

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[SPEAKER_04]: I would love to see that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want a comedian in that role because comedian is like, today I'm considered a comedian and won't have one from majority of comedians or social media.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I would want to see a person that's not a comedian become comedic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, I can see that because here's the thing with your job as tough Josh, like we live in the age of like having to set the joke up and stuff like that and trying to

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[SPEAKER_01]: work the joke in because the social media today, you have to be quick with that otherwise you lose the audience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that even even in a movie like that, and you have just a regular comedian in there, you don't lose the people really quick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Quickly, quickly, so quickly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so what do you have for yours, Josh?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is a what would you have as far as your next movie that you want to go into always my theory was keeping rossy Okay, yeah, let's go with Rossy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to keep you know, I I loved The urban movies that happened in the 90s to John Singleton and I remember

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[SPEAKER_02]: seeing boys in the hood for the first time, never seen a film like that as far as black film.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, in the 70s, Jack, Louie High, and all that, but this was something different and to shed a light on what's going on and a Southern California, you know, Compton area, South Central.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just, it was in the sea, someone like Ice Cube, who I'd never seen before before in a movie other than his music.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I fell in love with the film and I think everyone that did, I mean, I was introduced to Angela Bessett, Lawrence Fishburn, you know, Cuba Gooding Jr.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This movie is put together so well and he told such a good story about everyday life and southern California, the gang life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was so good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got so many, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know Ricky you know what I mean there's so many you know certain things that they you know quote today as if it was Friday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: John Singleton did a good job what do you think about the film what did you think about the story of a young man that had a mom that was you know doing well in a business world sends them off to go live with his dad who lives and not the best part of

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[SPEAKER_02]: What did y'all think about that story?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I am, so I was born in 1984, so I was very young, shouldn't have been watching that movie, like I shouldn't have been watching South Central, shouldn't have been watching boys and hoodrimens to decide, but the thing about boys and hood, and what reds, reds it nates in the Ricky scene will go down and send him a history.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, that's one of the most heart, right, got rich in scenes in history.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The movie was,

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was extremely wrong and it was relatable and what made the movie so relevant was it showed your hood wasn't no different than my hood.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm from a small town got a mockery floor to where in the early 90s.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm likely Florida had one of the highest, not one, had the, if not one of, I believe the highest HIV population rate in the United States of America.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So disparity, poverty, ramp, ramp, ramp, ramp in the town that I'm from.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Of course, it's, for not only better, it's extremely low now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But the movie was very relatable,

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[SPEAKER_04]: having that one mega mega star being able to make it out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It might seem the first one to really make it out was Andrew and James.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He's in a field hall of favor right now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But just having that one guy that the city like push to go do something great in the community surrounded that person and champion that person.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We didn't really who's small town.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So the drive by wasn't a thing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Black Americans versus Latino Americans or Haitian America is because the Haitian population had just migrated into the area where I'm from in South Florida, so it was a lot of that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The move was very raw, very real and very relatable.

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[SPEAKER_04]: My favorite character in the movie.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Probably was ice cube because he would be half not he was a black sheet, but when you look at the film from from a different perspective.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He was definitely probably the one with the most love and most compassion and the one that was most willing when the one drive I was about to happen.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He was the person to say, hey, get him in the house.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Get him up the port talking about the guy in the wheelchair.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He respect he.

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[SPEAKER_04]: want it to be something for his mother and his mother hated him because he wasn't Ricky.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that movie definitely touched me in a place where other films couldn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, for me, I wasn't until like junior high whenever I first watched it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember seeing posters in the in blockbuster and the VHS tape and stuff at that, I was born in 85.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I had no business even watching this movie either at an early age or even like that either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, watching it in junior high is a whole different perspective because I think the teacher wanted us to learn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: about the life of the streets and a sense, but for the eyes of ice cube and stuff like that, it's like, hey, look, if you go down this road, there's two roads you can lead, there you can go on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can either go to the life of this or you can go to life of the other way of going to college, having a life and things like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we had kids that were my or my age that was going out there being part of gangs and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So on that level, I think that that movie

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[SPEAKER_01]: as far as a young audience in junior high and trying to figure out who they are, just as how ice cube I believe is trying to figure out who he is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one to do the right thing and trying to be able to be a good friend to somebody else that's not in the gang life either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that it also is a representation of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: certain people going through certain things that are relatable as far as a kid and junior high.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, so that's something that I really have to say that stuck with me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, I love every single actor in this movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they do event has a job in this movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it actually captures what everything was up was like in those days, though, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and feel, and I like the fact that the scenery, the film, the film, you know, I'm saying, the filmography and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's in the dark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Senator Tarkin, thank you Josh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that they captured everything right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You actually do feel like you're right there in the room with ice cubes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As he's breaking things down to Cuba Gooding Junior's character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and stop everything about this movie is just fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a life lesson to be learned in this movie This movie is still quotable today like Rossi said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll turn it on when if I'm like it any new podcast or something and stuff like that if I need something to you know

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[SPEAKER_01]: to just have on the background for me to just relax and just to do what I do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do love watching the movie though.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to ask you a question and this is the reason I brought this subject matter because I thought it would be dope to hear perspective from a Caucasian male, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: As a Caucasian man, you what's your next analogy?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Italian.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Italian, Italian, Italian, Italian videos have been going crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Let's take up the conversation for the sake of the conversation.

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[SPEAKER_04]: As an Italian American, Caucasian male, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because you're not in the case, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Did the movie give you any negative perceptions of people of color?

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[SPEAKER_04]: When you watched it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I, here's the thing with me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was taught not the judge on the people or anything like that and I was like, this is what they, this is everyday life for somebody else and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the way I saw it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like something for me is like I can't say that I can relate to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I can say this, just because I'm not going through it, does not mean that somebody else isn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is everyday life that somebody else sees.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how I looked at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, this is what they're going through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what it's like in the ghetto of Los Angeles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the inner city, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, in the inner city of it and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, this is everyday life for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it makes me

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[SPEAKER_01]: feel like, you know, as a Caucasian male, Italian male at that, I'm sitting here watching it, and I'm thinking of myself, you know what, I don't have it as bad as someone else does.

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[SPEAKER_04]: A lot of us thought that, even the ones that we have been in the inner city, I was definitely thinking like, I don't never have to pick my brother put him on a couch while he's bleeding out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You weren't alone in those thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As same here, I mean, seeing that, you know, my brother was an in-games, you know, we were, we grew up in the suburbs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So seeing that also for me was a look at something that, you know, you see on like a, you know, headline news at night, you know, you hear about what's going on, but the way that he put it in the story was really good and also like the fact that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you see, with ice cubes character, Doboy, you see why they run to the streets.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When you have gang members talk about, you know, it's family, I just want family, you know, these are my, these, this is my family because I don't have that at home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you see what Doboy went through with his mom, hating him, disliking him, his boys was his family, you know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, he meets tray who has a mother, who has a father, they're divorced.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But he has a father at home and you see how the different households are ran with Do boy who has a mom who can't stand them with ice cubes father who is trying to teach him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You are trying to teach tray.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You do not want to end up like your friends.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and of course, try living in that neighborhood.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, even though he comes from probably a better home, you know, he still has to go out there in that neighborhood and make it and fit in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, do a boy gives him that guy to, you know, LA, you know, the inner city.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I got you rocks.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I got you rocks.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I got you rocks.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So the first film I would talk about that struck me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was, um,

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[SPEAKER_04]: came out in 1999.

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[SPEAKER_04]: At this point, I was a young adolescent boy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I understood what sex was and all this stuff and that's when you was trying to find yourself in regards to like your friend groups.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's a movie called The Best Man Directed by Malcolm Lee.

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[SPEAKER_04]: worked on films and it's funny because the best man in such a dramatic, suspenseful film.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He's known for his comedic films.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Girls trip undercover brother in the barber shop, the next cut.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But the best man was a film.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That again, it had a group on and I'm pretty sure Rossy and into you're familiar with the rack pack.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yeah, I was working together well and Hollywood and at a certain point, it was a group called the black pack and that's just a more chestnut scenario latin Omar X. Oh, my gosh, like seeing green eyes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Why am I going to blame.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my god.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, he was in the first Iron Man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Terrence Howard.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Terrence Howard.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Neil long.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They all worked on separate films.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like they worked on that film.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then a lot of them worked in the movie, the wood together.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Then someone made a tour to get play that game together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I get where he's coming from.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You had the black pack.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All of them together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They always did film together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But in the best man to

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[SPEAKER_02]: For someone as a female looking in and you get to see a romantic love story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's better like that or romantic love story and the brotherhood of Black men come in together for one of their homeboys wedding at the time you at the time you didn't get to see a lot of that you know they didn't you didn't get to see black men in a setting like that you didn't see a lot of films about black men.

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[SPEAKER_04]: being vulnerable in emotionally supporting each other like with black films.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was always and and this is one thing that's negative about these kind of films that I'm going to bring up, but in black film, there was always comedic people and nobody taken themselves to serious or they're hiding themselves and the conquest of women in this film, more chestnut, was a faithful man, loved his wife and was a Christian man and wanted to do right by his wife and when he found out

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[SPEAKER_04]: That friend had slept with his wife.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He was so emotional, the entire once.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Once it was out of that, that was the plot of the film.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That

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[SPEAKER_04]: plot point, grew to, and more chestnut did the absolute best in showing anger and frustration, but the film also showed forgiveness and understanding and black men who seemingly are overtly strong and masculine in films showing, I'm hurt, I'm sad, I'm lost, what do I do without you?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Furthermore,

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[SPEAKER_04]: The film probably spawned one of the greatest brotherhood songs in the history of R&B music.

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[SPEAKER_04]: with a song called, what can a brother do for me?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh best man, I can be.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it was RL, genuine.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And you've been tired.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that song was so powerful to young black men at that time because everything was big clothes, rabbit penis rap.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, conquer women.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And now you have these four men saying, I'm hurt.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I betrayed somebody.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what to do.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't wanna lose my friendship.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So this this movie and compass all that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It also I know I'm talking so much.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry guys.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But the film also encompassed meeting yourself and being honest with yourself where you are at in your relationship or your marriage or your friendship.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I I would love to just take a moment

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, here's the thing I never seen the movie or anything, but I know so I'm going to have to check that one out by just some, but here's the thing, I do have to get a praise to the film of how you're describing it Josh, because the fact of masculinity and stuff like that because as men, we were told it's not, you're not supposed to cry, you're supposed to be tough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's inspiring to see other men to be able to be there for one another and saying, Hey, look, it's going to be okay, you know, I mean, that's what I'm getting from it from the way that you're saying talking about a Josh and you know, that's just something that I think that many to the see back then too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: saying, hey, look, it's going to be okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You need to, this is actually where we're going to meet you at.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to go on ahead and figure out what to do and help you through this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: First is tearing down someone.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's what we get so long with.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Which is so easy to do.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And, um, Ross, correct me if I'm wrong.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think more chestlets character ever admitted to his wife that he knew.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that he did.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't remember him doing that between a couple people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I also want to mention another thing about the movie is, you know, black man and black women have this stereotype of being angry or upset or just mad all the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like the fact that this film showed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: we're not all the same.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We have different personality.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There is a group of black men that are educated, well put together, has a smile, can cry, can have a family, a son, can love, can do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I love that best been presented that, because I need to see that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Other people need to see that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I want it the world to see that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's another side.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not always the hood.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They live in nice houses, come from nice neighborhoods, go to college.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's so much,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I like that they show that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like you said, being vulnerable to each other, you know, sharing secrets, you know, just that whole brotherhood thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that they showed black men in that light.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I really know now what I said before, and I'm thankful that you just brought that point up.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's the one thing opposite of you that I don't like.

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[SPEAKER_04]: in films like this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is the one, and it's an unpopular opinion, but we're honest with you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is the one, this is one of my biggest problems.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I have with Tyler Perry, cinema, cinematic universe.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I get bothered when looking at white films, Caucasian films, black films, it can never be us being happy with modest lives.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like the best man holiday,

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, there were like, they're millionaires and big houses and this person's a lot of history.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I always feel like we're written into perspective that we got to be so rich and whatever to be happy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I want, I would love to see a film about.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Black people, living modest, having regular jobs, nobody's getting shot.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We don't have the raise money to save the community center.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't have to do that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, like, for real, like, when you look at, when you look at the barber shop, they had to come together because the barber shop was in the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, or sister act too, whenever you had the community center for that as well.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like I just want to see a black love story or black comedy or black film where black people are this person the school teacher and this person works at the Association and they're happy like like we don't have a version black people don't have a version of like dodgeball

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[SPEAKER_04]: But we don't have a version, we don't have a version where somebody's with nobody's going to die.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, like even in hardball with G baby.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, but why did he baby have to get shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and even though I like hardball, I like it, but here's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't do anything to Cano Reeves' character to make him change or anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's only just forming and changing to begin with whenever they he stopped his gambling bets at that time and stuff like that, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, okay, let's kill a G baby off.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like Harvard Parkball was on his way to being the urban version of the mighty ducks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I can see that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Until G, baby, I killed you look like you got served and I don't know if you guys see you got served.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Why was Marcus Houston in Amaria and Celi don't?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They could have been doing anything.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They had them dancing in the rain and selling drugs.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like it was a terrible block.

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[SPEAKER_04]: a way to drive a play.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm, I, so the best way in the one thing that frustrating me was that's just the one thing like the one thing like I would just house party is another good one.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I know whichever the place, but it's based for great podcast.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But how's party?

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[SPEAKER_04]: How far it was great because it was black teenagers before in the house, they weren't supposed to be here and they didn't want to let the bullies in the party.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Then it wasn't over.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's no, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It was part of the problem.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And he was trying to avoid his father, whooping his ass.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That was the, that's what made it so magical.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and also makes us feel like that we can get away with something, even though we know that we can't get away with something.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And well, and you're invested in a different way, seeing characters, so the best man for now in the story one of my favorite moves of all time, I love the move, I love it so much, I'll recommend it to anybody, it's just hard to completely identify with it because

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[SPEAKER_04]: me and my home was don't live in mansions and we're not going to read out a 5,000 lot of sweet for a bachelor party.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We go definitely be able to Howard Johnson or something.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so that's the one thing I hope.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The writers of black cinema get away from just saying we're so successful And no, some of us are happy making $75,000 a year and going home and I like being on like that we very happy we're not miserable But yeah, so that was that point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm gonna, we talked about house party a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, let's see here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to talk about another one that I really enjoy watching.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Every single time I turn on the tape while it's on direct TV, I want to watch it no matter why.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or if it's on a streaming service, if I stroll through it, I'm going to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I love don't be a menace to the South Central while drinking apple juice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Drink your juice in the lid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, drinking your juice in the lid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can tell I'm a white whenever I'm trying to think about you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you got to be in school.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_04]: In South Central, while drinking your apple juice.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's great.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't even think they drank.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I would just the whole damn film.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, they didn't need John.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I still remember like the hurry up and buy with the Chinese lady then I also like the other trope that they actually put in there's like they're making fun of boys in the hood, but it's like oh I'm pregnant then there's also the other thing too that they put in there's like are you by now what did we tell the nice man?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it goes in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you my dad?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But those little

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I agree it was all right for me, you know, I think those, I think those lines It doesn't age well now compared to where it was once before they look.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it helped

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think those lines have held up a mirror to black America at that time, a lot of young pregnancy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Statistically, could those facts have completely changed now, black men are doing great jobs as far as, but statistically black fathers were walking out, there were, there was a lot of, unprotected sex, there was a lot of gun violence, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: There was a, there was a, there was a scene in that movie where he went to jail for a second and he was like black man if you kill a man and you do this but a block and that was making fun of the movie South Central where black man go to prison get found and become extremely intelligent from behind the gate.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They call that like don't wait to go to jail to read a book.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Need to read a book right now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I think they did a great job of attacking those tropes and employment and employment.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm sorry, I'm cutting you off.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm really like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like hearing your perspective though because yeah, no, I like hearing your perspective because the fact of the way things were

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[SPEAKER_01]: And stuff, you know, you know how I'd do always do the strip away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I talk about the nostalgia factor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a strip away the nostalgia for me as an adult now looking back on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not laughing as hard as I used to compare to when I was a teenager and whatever my friends are within the house with me and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, some of the dialogue does not age well or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, compared to when I was a teenager, it does not hold up as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do like the fact of what you mentioned though, too, is like things have changed so much now to where you have successful black people as well and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's something, too, that I have to say is that I really like as well.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's a day and age.

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[SPEAKER_04]: To do an afro-american lead spoof, um, the jokes, the jokes wouldn't hit as hard because and this was great about black sentiment.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This was great about this podcast because you have a black woman blackmail and a tell you man leading the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's so much diversity that if you close your eyes, those jokes can be about y'all now, john.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they did make one they got what's called mafia which they made a spoof movies on all Italian movies and Italian culture and stuff like that It's funny as hell man like it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but but now what now me

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[SPEAKER_04]: such jokes, gun violence, of being racially profiled, all those jokes can be made about every culture now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's the beautiful thing about growth and moving forward that we spend so much time still being divisive that we don't understand like, hey, John, the stuff I'm going through, you'll possibly be going through these things in a year or two.

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[SPEAKER_04]: right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The same exact stereo types.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What I was going to say in a couple minutes ago was and one of the things I do think is missing is black cinema had phenomenal soundtracks from that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yes, yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: From that movie, it was the artist army artist by name of Joe.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He had a song all of the places, all of the things.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And that was that song almost reached number one on the

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[SPEAKER_04]: from that movie.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I really, I really wished, and it's sad to say it, black cinema is almost dead.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We're rushing things, we're putting things on to be now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: When you think of black film directors, you think of Ryan Koo, you want Ryan Koo, who look to touch the rack, everything now, because he's black.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Or Jordan tell me I'll move it to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Who would you say?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jordan Koo, what would you say about who do you think?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm not either, but I was just wondering like it, would you put them on that same skill like everybody wants a Ryan cool or just much they want a Jordan peel because I've been seeing a lot of people say that too.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't even think Jordan peels in the same ballpark is as as Ryan.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think he's exceptional at buying properties at buying film rights.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think he's exceptional at it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because they attach Jordan Peele to a Marvel horror movie a couple weeks ago, I mean, I mean, that article.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and it went crazy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm thinking of my head, what has Jordan Peele done good since get out?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's not just me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, but,

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, to stay on top of your subject, don't be a minister to decide why drinking your apple juice in the What was a phenomenal spoof movie and they don't make those like they use to anymore Rossi, you can go if you want to you can talk a type by your next one if you want yeah absolutely I really loved it was between waiting to exhale which everyone knows what I loved said it off said it off was one of my

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[SPEAKER_02]: favorite films, all female cast, Jada Peking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She played Frankie, these women were great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have Bivica A, Fox, and I can't think of the other ladies, but oh, Queen Latifa, of course.

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[SPEAKER_02]: From the start of the movie, first of all, when you saw the trailers for, you know, set it off,

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[SPEAKER_02]: couldn't wait to see it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: At that time, that's when a Friday, I think it already came out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Waiting to exhale was out around that time and we had set it off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What was so good about it was, you have a story of, I think, was five female, black, young, black women.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that we're having, living in Inners 4 was at 4 okay, living in the inner city, Frankie who has a brother who she had worked hard for, I think their parents died, she raised them, worked hard for him, doing everything for him for him to go to college.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He ends up beginning at a film, he ends up getting shot and that was

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[SPEAKER_02]: which is true raw banks to get out of the situation that they were in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's so funny because it you know you go through the first bank robbery the second bank robbery doesn't go that good but as the movie goes on it is just a great

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[SPEAKER_02]: film Queen Latifa's part, you know, she actually gets to play herself, you know, she's yeah, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: She gets to play herself, but you, she's such a great actress, and she was like, doughboy of the group, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like she was down, she was about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And

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[SPEAKER_02]: The way she went out in the film was similar to what Denzel Washington, when they shot her so many times, she takes a cigarette and it's like a bad ass scene.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's watching because she's giving that yeah to be yeah to die like that because she's giving that she's trying to distract.

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[SPEAKER_02]: the police because Frankie's trying to get out of town.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One girl had already died.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Vivica had died.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the movie's just intense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're rooting for Frankie throughout the whole movie because she has dreams.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She wants to do things after her brother died.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Plus remember, she fell in love with um, Blair Angeloid, who was uh, who was uh, working at the bank in the finding out that she was the one that was that dropped his bank.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This movie was so good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You could watch it today and enjoy it and you talk about soundtracks, what an amazing soundtrack to this film.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you had Brandy, you had...

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, oh my gosh, yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the whole soundtrack was really good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You had R&B music, yeah, rap music.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a good movie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would, I've seen it so many times and cry every time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it was a phenomenal movie because of some of the reasons you name Koena Tful definitely got to play herself so it in a dress in a dress Homosexuality in it in a very direct head-on-way.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It also, it also a dress Which is a uncomfortable situation for a lot of people

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[SPEAKER_04]: When times are hard and you're struggling in your desperate, uh, J.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, pick his character had to sleep with the one character for money to get the money for a college.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's right, college.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's right, stress, interest, inner city prostitutes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The, the, the main reason that they.

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[SPEAKER_04]: really started robbing banks was because the young lady in the group took her baby to work with them in the race, wrote something, and yes, and chop, protect the services, we're going to take child away.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it address being a single mother, not being able to afford childcare.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, in the inner city again, it definitely address some things head on.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Interress female friendship and the, um, bond that women have black women and women have together.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like you said, I thought it was cinematicly beautiful.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was well written.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought the soundtrack was amazing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I thought the dialogue was in sloppy and rush.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love that the movie wasn't a two hour and 15-minute movie.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They got right to the meat really fast.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And we were able to identify.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it does have one of the greatest

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[SPEAKER_04]: Dylan, what would you call that, um, sacrificial scenes, Queen Latifo?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sacrificial scenes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's another word.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's another word.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They come to Kozzi.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Come to Kozzi.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And one of the greatest come to Kozzi scenes in a black cinema history with her sacrificing herself for her freedom.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I wanted to correct myself, Jada played Stony, Viveka played Frankie, Queen Latifa played Cleo Patra, and Kimberly Elise played Titi, and Titi was the one with the baby that got her baby taken away because she, you know, took her to work, they were cleaning corporate buildings.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, and the baby drank something, took the baby away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they had to get the money to get TT's baby back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was the saddest scene as one TT died.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because you love TT.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was so childlike, just a really good mom, a really good person.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, taking her out was just, it was so sad when she died.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But we needed that to happen.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We needed that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because she became, that showed her love for her friends.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If it's the plow, it's definitely a plow.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What happens to her baby?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: She died, now I'm going to take care of the baby.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, the state.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because I mean, if she's taking the baby with her,

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[SPEAKER_02]: to go clean, obviously there's no child care, obviously that probably the father's not involved and family's not willing to help out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you don't, you know, because in that case, you know, they would have made, they would have made sure she had someone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's letting us know, she has no one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So she had to do this, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so then, yeah, the baby would be, you know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Look at us, we write history.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To be honest with you, I haven't seen set it off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, that's my treat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I was, let me, okay, let me tell you this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me tell you about, since I'm wearing back to the future.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me tell you about something from my past, from my, from my little boy brain that I have that I had during the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember seeing it on paper view, like the advertising has set it off and stuff like that because I couldn't pass it because I was always watching the.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know how before you could actually watch what's on my channel and stuff and it's just scroll and you actually have to use that's actually how I would get my grandmother to go and hand and go to the blockbuster with me to go get movies because I'm like okay that movie's out I'm going to go in and get it from blockbuster and I run it from paper view okay and kind of for

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I haven't seen set it off, but it's one of those things that is on my to-do list, because I was looking at like history, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, like history, but like cinema, and I was thinking myself, okay, would movies have I not seen?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can add to my list later on, so maybe I can actually do another one of these shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and give a different perspective in plus I also like the fact that I haven't seen everything so it gives me a fresh ice to be able to see something different because I ended up reviewing baby boy for the first time right last year or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I've just seen baby boy last year he did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was my first time watching Baby Boy with Tyreaks.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is what I said in my review, and I'll say this now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said, if I was watching this as a teenager, I'd be like, given the middle finger to the boy side of the mother.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, okay, Tyreaks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kick his ass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, show him his ass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, you're being a little pansy bitch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, you need, you need that to be laid out on the floor like that, you need to be fine, like that, you think you know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it all, you don't know it

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[SPEAKER_01]: basically hustling the streets for clothes and also to sleep with somebody else while also having another baby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you also have Snoop Dogg coming in there as well.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Just sleep with them.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm glad we're talking about Blacks and Modilla because as a black man,

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[SPEAKER_04]: It'd be like that sometimes, you know, sometimes it just be like that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes, sometimes you check out home, piss you off and you'll say, you know, it's women and you don't do that and you just want to go outside and she threatened you and she brought a cheating on you so y'all cheat on me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You're all going outside the apartment and people are all in your business and she drove him to do that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I ain't going to say tie Reese's a villain in that movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's not a villain, but I can't say he's a villain, I will say he's a pump

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need a pump is he just he you got a thing but this is also what I said too I said but he goes from being this from voice to man basically pun intended but he goes from being this young adult guy that thinks that he doesn't have to worry about consequences doesn't have to worry about anything to all of a sudden that's that thing that happens towards the end of it

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I only have one life to live with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anything can happen at any given moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to stop doing what I'm doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then this is actually the main, this is the thing that made me cry, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I cried when Tyre's comes in there and he has the gun and then here comes the boyfriend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Despite their differences, he still finds a way to protect Tyre's character and wipes the fingerprints off the gun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and stop.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just an emotional way.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And this is why this is a beautiful conversation here in a period of Caucasian males perspective because looking back at it, Tariah should be in prison because he's an example of me to murder.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Why are you familiar with the nostalgia for me?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Even though I just see this like last year, they go to jail for murder.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The dad is in a conflict because he has the murder weapon.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He should go to jail for murder.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, like a lot of people should be in pretty like the way you just said like I just thought I tried because that was so beautiful All right because my murder that's like you like this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I understand they know John there They're murderers, John Now now I feel you I feel you I feel you

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, but, uh, we're back to Rossi says, yes, take a minute here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A Tamra and I'm commenting about this said the book of Claire's was packed with the list of stars with, uh, the book.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Claire was phenomenal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Tatiana Taylor and it only earned about eight million at the box office.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a great, she said that she thinks it's a great film.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It that's the one where the what is this name plays on a disciple, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think so yeah the book of Claire's way plays a disciple that's a disciple.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that's okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, for now

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[SPEAKER_04]: that movie was just marketed so poorly and I'm going to tell you why, because I wouldn't watch the movie because I'm a Christian man and I try not to indulge in anything that's blasphemous, that's just me and seeing the movie posted, seeing a couple cliff from my, how this is blasting, they're making a mockery of Jesus in my faith or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Once you get past the movie poster, not only is the movie extremely insightful, explains biblical points that a 10-year-old can understand, according to scripture, it's historically accurate, and it's phenomenally, phenomenally accurate, I mean, like, phenomenally accurate, I just think,

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[SPEAKER_04]: movie studios give movie goers a little bit too much credit thinking that we can get past the cover and sometimes we can't.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So the book of characters was phenomenal.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I watched that movie last year in recommending it to a few people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to check it out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I heard of it, but I haven't seen it either.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Imagine have you ever seen the movie year one?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I have a terrible

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[SPEAKER_04]: Imagine you're one with a darker cast with a more serious tone, but also comedic.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It gives you enough biblical accuracy to be taken serious, but at certain points, it's light.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So you don't get lost in it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It could have been a great series if they wanted it to, but it was a well put together movie.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Extremely well put together.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I went between three things right I went between because I'm so goofy and I'm so light, but I went between on media, man, written, directed and filmed by Robert Towson, even at his two, his movie studio, who was the first African American with a film in studio before in the series.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I went between that one and I thought about where my notes I went between that one.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, it only, it only matters.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm between that one, but I decided on above the room.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yes, yes, above above the room.

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[SPEAKER_04]: For now, I'm gonna cast a two-box record, Duane Martin, Marlin Wayne's Wood Harris, who's probably top 10 black actors in cinema history.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And to me, top 50 greatest actors of all time, they had Leon Robinson to black people.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Bernie Mac, Henry Simmons, um, it had just so many great characters, um, the movies about inner city basketball, trying to make it out, trying to survive the struggles of everyday life and other, the movie.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, the other movie was sunset part.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I was, that's what I

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[SPEAKER_04]: Top again, the movie addressed schizophrenia because Leon's character lost his best friend at the beginning of the movie.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They were playing basketball on the rooftop and because of a bad his friend fell off the roof and Leon's character was supposed to be one of the best basketball players in New York City and because of that that derailed his basketball career.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So he moved the way and people thought he lost it because he would have these real current nightmares where they'll see him at a park playing one on one basketball with nobody with no ball in his hand.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that was addressing medical condition of schizophrenia and depression.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The way Martin's character, the best high school basketball player in the city trying to get the college, being raised by a single mother, battling the um...

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[SPEAKER_04]: He was battling the pulling of the streets because two pops character was a street guy real gutter pain I flew players to play for his passing ball teams and he was offering the limitations of life basically.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He was offering the way more in sex in high school and all these things.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Bernie Mac was a homeless guy that knew Belia and character when they were in high school.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He ended up getting murdered by two pop, Duane.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, um,

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[SPEAKER_04]: What Martin Wayne's character wanted to fit in so he was kind of bully and up you know

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[SPEAKER_04]: doing some things at the end of the movie that we were all regret, John, which in the blind eye too, because he don't care about murder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Clear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I should have been a horror.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the story.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And again, like the Rossi Bessandus and Tyre Elpozo, the soundtrack to above the rim was phenomenal.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Soles on that soundtrack charted.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So the importance of music,

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[SPEAKER_04]: with black cinema has always been a thing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I definitely think above the rim is a film that should be discussed when it comes to sports films, when it comes to dramatization, and when it comes to just,

01:00:07.619 --> 01:00:11.647
[SPEAKER_04]: Understanding the inner city, this film had no drive buys in it.

01:00:12.028 --> 01:00:16.157
[SPEAKER_04]: This film had no women being taken advantage of in it.

01:00:16.838 --> 01:00:18.521
[SPEAKER_04]: Guess what else this film didn't have.

01:00:18.582 --> 01:00:22.089
[SPEAKER_04]: This film had no drug addiction in it.

01:00:22.730 --> 01:00:24.193
[SPEAKER_04]: It soldy battle.

01:00:24.578 --> 01:00:33.151
[SPEAKER_04]: single-family dynamic in the pressures of being a person trying to make it from a popper's area.

01:00:33.551 --> 01:00:43.446
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, you know, speaking of the soundtrack, we got one of the biggest songs at that time and introduced us to Nate Dog and Warren G with regulators.

01:00:43.787 --> 01:00:45.469
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you had that.

01:00:45.810 --> 01:00:51.919
[SPEAKER_02]: If you loved SWB at the time, they had a song called, was it any any time, anything?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anything, yeah, anything.

01:00:55.070 --> 01:00:57.713
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you had a Snoop Dogg on it.

01:00:57.833 --> 01:01:00.916
[SPEAKER_02]: You had part-time lover age town, you know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my gosh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my gosh.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I was in it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

01:01:07.603 --> 01:01:12.348
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, twopox, uh, part of the little liquor, which was on his sub-life album.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about that, John.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

01:01:14.230 --> 01:01:19.696
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, just say, uh, uh, just so you know, um, who she's need love to.

01:01:19.796 --> 01:01:20.758
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm still in love with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Crackham.

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[UNKNOWN]: It

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[SPEAKER_02]: It has everything.

01:01:24.561 --> 01:01:25.482
[SPEAKER_02]: It has everything on it.

01:01:25.583 --> 01:01:29.528
[SPEAKER_02]: Best soundtrack had it loved it and it's a classic movie.

01:01:29.548 --> 01:01:31.591
[SPEAKER_02]: You can go and watch it and enjoy it today.

01:01:31.751 --> 01:01:33.033
[SPEAKER_02]: It's relevant today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it really is.

01:01:34.956 --> 01:01:38.581
[SPEAKER_04]: And when we we to be about black sentiment, there's so much other sentiments.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So we just talk about my sentiments.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We don't have as many films, but a lot of black movies are timers, the best man is timers, boys in the hood, timers above the rim, timers like those things are happening right now, right?

01:01:55.147 --> 01:02:02.541
[SPEAKER_04]: That's why I love the best man happening today in somebody's relationship, that's why I'm waiting to tell.

01:02:02.521 --> 01:02:03.303
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

01:02:03.383 --> 01:02:05.187
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a movie that you can watch today.

01:02:05.207 --> 01:02:09.076
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you'll always have a a girl group that you're with and for waiting for.

01:02:09.096 --> 01:02:10.439
[SPEAKER_02]: I just get so much said.

01:02:10.980 --> 01:02:11.722
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't stop.

01:02:11.962 --> 01:02:12.484
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't stop.

01:02:12.524 --> 01:02:14.488
[SPEAKER_04]: Set about waiting to exhale because

01:02:14.738 --> 01:02:19.426
[SPEAKER_04]: because my favorite Cougar, Angela Bassett, was a villain.

01:02:19.566 --> 01:02:21.950
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't like that she blew that man, Kara.

01:02:21.970 --> 01:02:28.682
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that, see for women that was the best part because it was showed women being strong.

01:02:28.702 --> 01:02:38.839
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not gonna take advantage of us, like when she goes and has that affair, when she cuts her hair, like it was just, the best part of the movie was that, you know?

01:02:38.819 --> 01:02:46.393
[SPEAKER_04]: If name a point, John, John, you're like a guest out of podcasts at the end of the day.

01:02:46.413 --> 01:03:00.979
[SPEAKER_04]: What, what, what, what, broadcasting name a situation where Wesley Snipes is going to lay in the bed with a woman fully closed, not have sex.

01:03:01.820 --> 01:03:05.093
[SPEAKER_04]: Go home and tell his diet life.

01:03:05.856 --> 01:03:09.351
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't cheat, but I cut it with Angela Bassett.

01:03:09.572 --> 01:03:12.403
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and he's wife Belaya.

01:03:13.413 --> 01:03:14.074
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

01:03:16.536 --> 01:03:16.777
[SPEAKER_04]: I love that.

01:03:16.797 --> 01:03:17.658
[SPEAKER_04]: And then you broke up.

01:03:17.678 --> 01:03:18.659
[SPEAKER_04]: It's gonna go for that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No.

01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:20.280
[SPEAKER_04]: No.

01:03:20.541 --> 01:03:21.021
[SPEAKER_04]: I swear.

01:03:21.101 --> 01:03:21.882
[SPEAKER_04]: Do it.

01:03:21.942 --> 01:03:23.143
[SPEAKER_04]: Have you ever went back down?

01:03:23.684 --> 01:03:23.904
[SPEAKER_04]: No.

01:03:24.545 --> 01:03:24.965
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you.

01:03:24.985 --> 01:03:26.127
[SPEAKER_04]: John, there's a scene.

01:03:26.187 --> 01:03:26.908
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, I have.

01:03:27.188 --> 01:03:28.549
[SPEAKER_01]: I have some movies to catch up on.

01:03:28.649 --> 01:03:29.430
[SPEAKER_01]: I have some.

01:03:29.590 --> 01:03:30.652
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of, like, cinema.

01:03:30.672 --> 01:03:31.913
[SPEAKER_01]: I just haven't seen one.

01:03:31.933 --> 01:03:32.814
[SPEAKER_04]: John, there's a scene.

01:03:32.894 --> 01:03:35.096
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, when these nights meet Angela Bassett and the bar.

01:03:35.176 --> 01:03:36.638
[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, goes through a divorce, whatever.

01:03:37.078 --> 01:03:38.640
[SPEAKER_04]: And instead of she know his old lady.

01:03:38.720 --> 01:03:40.382
[SPEAKER_04]: He just spoons her all night.

01:03:40.362 --> 01:03:41.945
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's still cheating.

01:03:42.045 --> 01:03:43.027
[SPEAKER_01]: No matter which way you put it.

01:03:43.087 --> 01:03:44.390
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I don't go fast.

01:03:44.410 --> 01:03:45.512
[SPEAKER_01]: You see, I'm scared.

01:03:45.552 --> 01:03:49.841
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm against murderers, but I'm against cheating.

01:03:49.861 --> 01:03:57.536
[SPEAKER_04]: So, you listen, you could tell, you could tell that movie was written with a hurt woman in mind.

01:03:57.917 --> 01:04:01.965
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, like, I want my man to almost cheat.

01:04:02.688 --> 01:04:17.933
[SPEAKER_04]: but just cuddle because he respects me and you so much, Wesley, you was weak for that, you was laying for that, and Angela Bassett should have been taking down in that hotel room and that's what it should have been.

01:04:20.517 --> 01:04:22.620
[SPEAKER_04]: Deep blows up a car, isn't that arson?

01:04:23.362 --> 01:04:24.463
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, that's arson, yeah.

01:04:24.483 --> 01:04:25.485
[SPEAKER_04]: That's terrorism.

01:04:25.926 --> 01:04:29.151
[SPEAKER_02]: But that was, that was, that was, we made a face turn.

01:04:29.485 --> 01:04:32.409
[SPEAKER_02]: that had to happen, yes, we all did, yes, we did.

01:04:32.970 --> 01:04:41.043
[SPEAKER_04]: But I wanted the black man in the time of Pairman who had cancer, y'all wanted him to die because he didn't want, um, I grew up no more.

01:04:41.263 --> 01:04:48.915
[SPEAKER_04]: See, she done, he knew her black cinema get murky because these black women, they don't be planning these movies.

01:04:48.995 --> 01:04:50.457
[SPEAKER_04]: No, they don't, that's where the kids care.

01:04:50.718 --> 01:04:56.286
[SPEAKER_04]: To be honest, they want us to die, they want us to die.

01:04:56.705 --> 01:05:14.140
[SPEAKER_01]: To be honest with you, that's why like what I had, I jumped around with my coworker and everything one time she's black because so would you ever go with a black woman I would never and this before I met Brandy, I said to be honest with you, I see how you get violent on the phone and also too, I also seen a lot of movies.

01:05:14.744 --> 01:05:24.921
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that, but that's, but that's just me in my coworker, Joe Brown, I said, no, I see how you five-volume you are.

01:05:25.101 --> 01:05:27.425
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you better go on a hand and take out that trash.

01:05:27.465 --> 01:05:28.287
[SPEAKER_01]: There's that.

01:05:28.728 --> 01:05:30.430
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, no, no, no, I'm good.

01:05:30.450 --> 01:05:31.793
[SPEAKER_04]: I, I'm right here.

01:05:31.993 --> 01:05:33.175
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't listen.

01:05:33.155 --> 01:05:34.357
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I can say this.

01:05:34.798 --> 01:05:37.985
[SPEAKER_04]: Number one, those aren't movies you're watching black women documentary's.

01:05:38.365 --> 01:05:39.347
[SPEAKER_04]: No, those are warning.

01:05:40.490 --> 01:05:41.151
[SPEAKER_04]: Why?

01:05:41.191 --> 01:05:42.654
[SPEAKER_04]: Those are the flags I need to avoid.

01:05:42.994 --> 01:05:48.345
[SPEAKER_04]: But being a person that has experienced the rainbow.

01:05:48.865 --> 01:05:49.706
[SPEAKER_04]: Women are women.

01:05:50.107 --> 01:05:54.373
[SPEAKER_04]: There is no black women like this white women like this judge.

01:05:54.533 --> 01:05:59.801
[SPEAKER_04]: I promise you, brandy is the same as Rossi or she is she is.

01:05:59.821 --> 01:06:01.503
[SPEAKER_04]: She's like, women are women.

01:06:01.543 --> 01:06:06.190
[SPEAKER_04]: There's no black women have out of two white women have them.

01:06:06.330 --> 01:06:07.352
[SPEAKER_04]: Latino women have them.

01:06:07.612 --> 01:06:11.978
[SPEAKER_04]: Polynesian women have an Asian women have them women from Florida have them.

01:06:12.459 --> 01:06:18.147
[SPEAKER_04]: So, so yes, definitely a stigma that

01:06:18.869 --> 01:06:21.154
[SPEAKER_04]: I just completely left above the rim and I don't give a damn.

01:06:21.575 --> 01:06:24.763
[SPEAKER_04]: I hate, hate, waiting to exhale.

01:06:24.963 --> 01:06:25.885
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a good thing.

01:06:26.326 --> 01:06:29.734
[SPEAKER_04]: It was so pro-women, it is.

01:06:30.356 --> 01:06:34.465
[SPEAKER_04]: And again, there is no male movie like that.

01:06:35.052 --> 01:06:51.745
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, there isn't, I mean, a lot of people would say, you know, a best man, but it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not, you know, just because there's an all-male cast and all-female cast, I do, you know, agree, you know, it's not the same, but for.

01:06:51.725 --> 01:07:05.311
[SPEAKER_02]: Women at that time for me being a young woman at that time and to see my favorites, you know, the right of divine, you know, Whitney Houston, you know, I'm going to want everyone wanted to see what you used and, you know, Kevin, who's the lady she was a moon ring.

01:07:06.133 --> 01:07:07.776
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, oh my gosh.

01:07:08.380 --> 01:07:11.023
[SPEAKER_02]: There was some ladies that was in the film that was in.

01:07:12.045 --> 01:07:14.588
[SPEAKER_02]: I forget her name, but she was in it.

01:07:14.708 --> 01:07:19.253
[SPEAKER_02]: And she was the one that really pretty one that was dating the rich man.

01:07:19.314 --> 01:07:24.860
[SPEAKER_02]: And she was the woman that you have to do something for her and order to go out with her on a date.

01:07:25.301 --> 01:07:29.506
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what Houston was like, a newscaster or some type of journalist, I believe.

01:07:29.887 --> 01:07:31.789
[SPEAKER_04]: Leah.

01:07:31.769 --> 01:07:58.992
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01:07:59.528 --> 01:08:11.771
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it, it's certain scenes can come off, you know, with Angela Bassett, you know, burning up the, the man's car, normally we burn your clothes, not your car, you know, but I mean, we don't, we don't, we don't blow the car out.

01:08:11.791 --> 01:08:14.696
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we'll burn up your favorite Jordans, your favorite clothes.

01:08:14.716 --> 01:08:15.618
[SPEAKER_02]: And we will do that.

01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:17.862
[SPEAKER_04]: I haven't, but what's wrong?

01:08:18.363 --> 01:08:19.866
[SPEAKER_04]: What's wrong with your saying?

01:08:20.673 --> 01:08:21.655
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I'm upset.

01:08:21.995 --> 01:08:23.738
[SPEAKER_02]: Why do you gotta hurt our stuff?

01:08:23.758 --> 01:08:28.125
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's just, it's, you do something dirty like that.

01:08:28.185 --> 01:08:29.627
[SPEAKER_02]: You cheat on me like that.

01:08:29.748 --> 01:08:40.785
[SPEAKER_02]: For us women, it's in order for me to feel good, I'm gonna have to, I'm not gonna take you, but I have to take something that you love.

01:08:40.886 --> 01:08:43.069
[SPEAKER_02]: And we know you men love.

01:08:43.252 --> 01:09:01.969
[SPEAKER_02]: your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your

01:09:02.101 --> 01:09:08.229
[SPEAKER_02]: We're like, gosh, you know, that didn't give me the feeling I want it, you know, now I might be in trouble.

01:09:08.269 --> 01:09:09.610
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I might go to jail.

01:09:09.650 --> 01:09:11.833
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I got to get out of it.

01:09:12.074 --> 01:09:13.035
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I got to get out of it.

01:09:13.395 --> 01:09:23.588
[SPEAKER_04]: If I listen, if a woman cuts any of my stuff up any breaks a playstation cuts and shoes up flat my tires, you are going to jail.

01:09:23.928 --> 01:09:31.618
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I am telling the police.

01:09:31.598 --> 01:09:34.181
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's make this clip go viral.

01:09:34.241 --> 01:09:37.084
[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to clip this clip.

01:09:37.104 --> 01:09:37.204
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

01:09:37.224 --> 01:09:40.427
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't give you Caucasian, Latino, Black American.

01:09:40.588 --> 01:09:58.787
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to see a film, I want to see black cinema film, I want to see black cinema film about black men getting nice stuff, cut up, or cars, and we sit in the one, it

01:09:58.868 --> 01:10:01.653
[SPEAKER_04]: I left that relationship that lady broke some of my shit.

01:10:02.074 --> 01:10:03.336
[SPEAKER_04]: They are going to jail.

01:10:03.877 --> 01:10:10.570
[SPEAKER_04]: I would love to see a film about putting women who broke our stuff in jail.

01:10:10.590 --> 01:10:15.038
[SPEAKER_04]: That's your great engine and our lawyers are all going to be represented by women.

01:10:15.018 --> 01:10:18.625
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my gosh, I don't want Bill about a film man.

01:10:18.645 --> 01:10:18.986
[SPEAKER_04]: That's great.

01:10:19.006 --> 01:10:20.008
[SPEAKER_04]: We need this film.

01:10:20.349 --> 01:10:20.990
[SPEAKER_04]: We need it.

01:10:21.671 --> 01:10:22.212
[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.

01:10:22.994 --> 01:10:23.655
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that job.

01:10:23.675 --> 01:10:26.661
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just going to name one more and then we'll wrap it up.

01:10:27.122 --> 01:10:30.529
[SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't line between love and hate, but more and more.

01:10:30.762 --> 01:10:33.225
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I'm happy you mentioned that John.

01:10:33.326 --> 01:10:36.350
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I remember there was a teenager in everything.

01:10:36.370 --> 01:10:51.551
[SPEAKER_01]: I still remember that opening scene, whenever he uh, the scene is coming from the shower and he's wiping it because I'm a sexy motherfucker and I'm like, yeah, oh my, as a teenager, I'm like, yeah, this is what I'm talking about and then he can ask, yep.

01:10:51.612 --> 01:10:59.723
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, and then he winds up uh, cheating

01:11:00.310 --> 01:11:11.815
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, played her, he would think, yes, he was playing the field and he wasn't at the right one, he met the right one, sorry John, yeah, he ended up meeting the right one.

01:11:11.855 --> 01:11:15.803
[SPEAKER_01]: Then he was up doing the one thing that he said he would never do is tell a woman that he loves her.

01:11:16.565 --> 01:11:19.872
[SPEAKER_01]: So he tells the business woman who's rich and has it all together that he loves her.

01:11:20.155 --> 01:11:25.484
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the other girl who it was been loving sent since high school, right, uh, he was up.

01:11:25.664 --> 01:11:31.293
[SPEAKER_01]: She was a comeback in the 10 because she's in the military and he winds up one to be with her instead of the business woman.

01:11:31.654 --> 01:11:38.805
[SPEAKER_01]: Then next thing you know, if the business woman is pissed off at him because she left, uh, because he left her for the for the woman that he was been wanting to be with.

01:11:39.308 --> 01:11:41.550
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he went up.

01:11:42.471 --> 01:11:42.692
[SPEAKER_01]: Huh?

01:11:43.272 --> 01:11:44.834
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he wanted to be with Regina King.

01:11:44.954 --> 01:11:49.719
[SPEAKER_02]: And when Whitfield was the older woman that he was, that was a crazy one.

01:11:49.839 --> 01:11:51.261
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you're not getting away.

01:11:51.281 --> 01:11:52.562
[SPEAKER_02]: She was cheaply that part of it.

01:11:52.742 --> 01:12:01.171
[SPEAKER_01]: She took the guys tires off while in the police station.

01:12:01.192 --> 01:12:02.032
[SPEAKER_04]: She brought me down to the police station.

01:12:02.052 --> 01:12:04.455
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't go no with him.

01:12:04.435 --> 01:12:09.620
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I'm counting it back over to a judge, saying about moment-breaking stuff.

01:12:09.780 --> 01:12:11.762
[SPEAKER_01]: She ended up doing right in the police station.

01:12:11.882 --> 01:12:12.142
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

01:12:13.143 --> 01:12:13.383
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

01:12:13.803 --> 01:12:15.645
[SPEAKER_02]: So, just to see how scared he was.

01:12:15.685 --> 01:12:18.328
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Martin Lawrence playing scared is great.

01:12:18.428 --> 01:12:19.228
[SPEAKER_02]: He's hilarious.

01:12:19.709 --> 01:12:21.991
[SPEAKER_02]: But how he was paranoid.

01:12:22.251 --> 01:12:23.512
[SPEAKER_02]: He was paranoid of her.

01:12:23.592 --> 01:12:26.695
[SPEAKER_02]: And he got, he deserved that for what he was doing.

01:12:26.735 --> 01:12:28.917
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, a memory was opening up that nightclub too.

01:12:28.977 --> 01:12:30.859
[SPEAKER_02]: And his, his friend was Bobby Brown.

01:12:30.919 --> 01:12:34.442
[SPEAKER_04]: Remember, Bobby Brown was like, that's right.

01:12:34.422 --> 01:12:35.684
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not.

01:12:35.864 --> 01:12:36.866
[SPEAKER_02]: I promise you, I'm not.

01:12:37.006 --> 01:12:38.869
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually a very demure woman.

01:12:38.949 --> 01:12:46.781
[SPEAKER_02]: My husband, he did not play that, but I have, I, you know, like I, I'm known to go off, not going to lie, but not like that.

01:12:46.841 --> 01:12:53.592
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I would never, my husband would not go for, you know, break in TVs, like it's, it does not go on.

01:12:53.612 --> 01:12:54.253
[SPEAKER_02]: It, it, it, it, it.

01:12:55.043 --> 01:13:02.212
[SPEAKER_04]: I think a family between love and hate needed to be made because at that time, you had fatal attraction.

01:13:02.512 --> 01:13:02.772
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.

01:13:02.792 --> 01:13:03.153
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

01:13:03.353 --> 01:13:03.934
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.

01:13:03.954 --> 01:13:05.255
[SPEAKER_04]: Basic instinct.

01:13:05.896 --> 01:13:06.036
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.

01:13:06.177 --> 01:13:08.920
[SPEAKER_04]: And there was, and even at the lifetime of the head, that rocks the cradle.

01:13:08.940 --> 01:13:14.126
[SPEAKER_04]: So you had the obsessive movies, but the main character were Caucasian women, right?

01:13:14.607 --> 01:13:16.710
[SPEAKER_04]: So I love you too.

01:13:17.070 --> 01:13:22.857
[SPEAKER_04]: So the main character were our Caucasian women and to see a black man,

01:13:23.039 --> 01:13:25.804
[SPEAKER_04]: play with a black woman's heart on camera.

01:13:26.325 --> 01:13:32.236
[SPEAKER_04]: And in that case, I love the fact that they made the young lady successful and not need a man.

01:13:32.317 --> 01:13:34.421
[SPEAKER_04]: And again, she did it once who be bothered.

01:13:34.461 --> 01:13:36.424
[SPEAKER_04]: She said, you came bothering me.

01:13:36.465 --> 01:13:37.527
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

01:13:37.667 --> 01:13:37.967
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

01:13:38.248 --> 01:13:38.569
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

01:13:38.609 --> 01:13:39.230
[SPEAKER_01]: She was away.

01:13:39.250 --> 01:13:39.510
[SPEAKER_01]: It was.

01:13:39.651 --> 01:13:40.091
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:13:40.111 --> 01:13:42.516
[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't when I was trying to run spit that game tour.

01:13:42.496 --> 01:13:42.997
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

01:13:43.277 --> 01:13:49.345
[SPEAKER_04]: So to see a black woman play psychotic, but he was together.

01:13:49.586 --> 01:14:00.340
[SPEAKER_04]: I do think it was a break especially for carcass women saying, oh my gosh, they got another movie about us, put in rabbits and pots and hang in our house when you watch the show, let's see the sister do it.

01:14:00.360 --> 01:14:06.409
[SPEAKER_04]: And when the sister finally did it, then we feel she played the the scene for now she told them.

01:14:06.429 --> 01:14:08.532
[SPEAKER_04]: Don't tell me you love me if you don't love me.

01:14:08.572 --> 01:14:09.533
[SPEAKER_04]: She did.

01:14:10.154 --> 01:14:10.875
[SPEAKER_02]: She wanted him.

01:14:11.336 --> 01:14:11.816
[SPEAKER_02]: She did.

01:14:11.936 --> 01:14:17.364
[SPEAKER_02]: She really, he had many warnings, but him being him had to conquer that.

01:14:17.444 --> 01:14:18.746
[SPEAKER_02]: He had to have that.

01:14:19.447 --> 01:14:25.756
[SPEAKER_02]: And just like you said, her, her being rageful was something that was just unseen.

01:14:25.796 --> 01:14:35.009
[SPEAKER_02]: She did a great job and just seeing his response, her showing up to his house, her finding out everything about him.

01:14:35.449 --> 01:14:36.150
[SPEAKER_02]: He was scared.

01:14:36.531 --> 01:14:37.512
[SPEAKER_02]: He was scared.

01:14:37.492 --> 01:14:39.317
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm 41 years old.

01:14:40.120 --> 01:14:41.263
[SPEAKER_04]: I was born.

01:14:42.486 --> 01:14:43.309
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm 41 and 41.

01:14:43.329 --> 01:14:49.948
[SPEAKER_04]: This is one of the most toxic things I'll say every my life I want somebody to be that crazy over me

01:14:50.198 --> 01:14:58.569
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I want to go see my mom and she and then going to the photo having like, Josh, you are not going to leave me, Josh.

01:14:58.589 --> 01:15:01.253
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, Josh, listen, we fight and we beat them.

01:15:01.273 --> 01:15:03.256
[SPEAKER_04]: I could do why I said I'm done Negro.

01:15:03.336 --> 01:15:05.699
[SPEAKER_04]: You not leave me, you won't do you.

01:15:06.460 --> 01:15:07.061
[SPEAKER_04]: You ain't leaving.

01:15:07.121 --> 01:15:10.245
[SPEAKER_04]: And I know in the bus, this is this is forever.

01:15:10.265 --> 01:15:18.737
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, that movie, I believe I was 12, 13 when that movie came out.

01:15:19.443 --> 01:15:26.270
[SPEAKER_04]: So I was young, but I always wanted that love because if you say you love somebody, you love them.

01:15:26.791 --> 01:15:28.693
[SPEAKER_04]: And if I say it, I love you.

01:15:28.933 --> 01:15:34.419
[SPEAKER_04]: And I definitely want somebody to like choke me and take my will.

01:15:35.420 --> 01:15:41.386
[SPEAKER_04]: What I'm saying is, don't take, don't take my will off my car and leave me.

01:15:41.706 --> 01:15:44.269
[SPEAKER_04]: No, take the will off my car because you don't want me to leave.

01:15:45.245 --> 01:16:12.906
[SPEAKER_04]: Like what a break through my window because you won't go for real that's all I'm saying but I'm gonna go and jump John you might have some brother to you I want to be a dad I want to be a dad This movie spawn one of the biggest R&B songs and proud of music history with a thin line between love and hate

01:16:13.173 --> 01:16:18.338
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, HL HL, yes, that's right.

01:16:19.239 --> 01:16:21.921
[SPEAKER_04]: So I have these conversations today.

01:16:21.981 --> 01:16:28.347
[SPEAKER_04]: I realized black cinema may be on a respirator right now.

01:16:28.507 --> 01:16:39.717
[SPEAKER_04]: It may be dying because I can't think of 10 films in the last five years that are black, because it's a black cinema that are speechworthy.

01:16:39.777 --> 01:16:42.960
[SPEAKER_04]: We got centers.

01:16:43.649 --> 01:16:51.742
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, they tried to force us on us, which I just didn't whatever, um, you got Black Panther, which was a Marvel movie.

01:16:51.802 --> 01:17:03.902
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a comic book character when it comes to original films and in representation, I don't see a lot of films that I'm like, you know what, that was a great black film.

01:17:04.473 --> 01:17:13.284
[SPEAKER_04]: So unless it's Tyler Perry and I think Tyler Perry has corner the market where we'll accept almost anything.

01:17:14.465 --> 01:17:16.608
[SPEAKER_04]: But we don't have a thin line between love and hate.

01:17:16.628 --> 01:17:17.689
[SPEAKER_04]: We don't got a best man.

01:17:17.769 --> 01:17:19.111
[SPEAKER_04]: We can't name above the rim.

01:17:19.551 --> 01:17:22.034
[SPEAKER_04]: We don't have a damn set it off.

01:17:22.815 --> 01:17:24.377
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, you guess.

01:17:24.777 --> 01:17:26.920
[SPEAKER_04]: I think I'm just one of those days.

01:17:27.170 --> 01:17:33.056
[SPEAKER_04]: with Kapa, who was it, um, CISA and it just came out last year or two years ago.

01:17:33.577 --> 01:17:33.717
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

01:17:34.198 --> 01:17:39.243
[SPEAKER_04]: That was a cool comedy, but instead of getting moves like that, we're gonna get rush hour four.

01:17:40.064 --> 01:17:41.005
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's the right.

01:17:41.906 --> 01:17:50.095
[SPEAKER_04]: So, so I'm definitely not happy with where Black Cinema is right now and I'm a supporter of movies and theaters and things like that.

01:17:50.515 --> 01:17:56.181
[SPEAKER_04]: But as far as where it's at right now,

01:17:56.414 --> 01:17:57.960
[SPEAKER_04]: Jonathan Major's not involved.

01:17:58.081 --> 01:18:00.390
[SPEAKER_04]: Do we have great films?

01:18:00.490 --> 01:18:02.920
[SPEAKER_04]: Creep, all three creaks were phenomenal to me.

01:18:04.225 --> 01:18:05.952
[SPEAKER_04]: They're three years, four years apart.

01:18:06.033 --> 01:18:26.809
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, and what about love Jones, you know what I mean, love and basketball, you know what I mean remember those movies we don't have those in love Jones was a great film at the time, you know, was it ink well, you know, films like that, you know, yeah,

01:18:27.430 --> 01:18:36.419
[SPEAKER_04]: But you noticed all of that set of them was packed into one place the moment and this is a conversation we're going to have in front of John.

01:18:36.860 --> 01:18:46.910
[SPEAKER_04]: The moment the internet allowed long-form videos, I feel as a black person, we accept the anything.

01:18:48.132 --> 01:18:55.159
[SPEAKER_04]: We don't hold ourselves to a certain standard

01:18:55.561 --> 01:18:55.861
[SPEAKER_04]: do.

01:18:56.342 --> 01:19:01.607
[SPEAKER_04]: And black people, we will line up in theaters for a retelling of a slave film.

01:19:01.988 --> 01:19:02.348
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

01:19:02.368 --> 01:19:03.329
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh, right?

01:19:03.649 --> 01:19:04.390
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

01:19:04.590 --> 01:19:11.938
[SPEAKER_04]: We line up in droves to, yes, be talking about Harriet Tubman or Nat Turner, which was pushed out of the movie theaters.

01:19:12.398 --> 01:19:17.403
[SPEAKER_04]: But I would, I would really like to see a black kill bill.

01:19:18.184 --> 01:19:25.011
[SPEAKER_04]: I would love to see a black

01:19:26.088 --> 01:19:29.434
[SPEAKER_04]: excuse me, a black leg, usual stuff-ex type fit.

01:19:29.554 --> 01:19:30.957
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, absolutely, yes.

01:19:31.037 --> 01:19:41.255
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to see, you know, I want to see these films, but we're trying to get famous and not work together and push our own whatever.

01:19:41.335 --> 01:19:46.965
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think black cinema is definitely in trouble.

01:19:47.637 --> 01:19:51.323
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't see a resurgence within it, within any time soon.

01:19:51.343 --> 01:19:51.844
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey.

01:19:52.245 --> 01:19:58.015
[SPEAKER_04]: And the films we brought today were timeless, great, well-written, well-acted, well-convamed films.

01:19:58.936 --> 01:19:59.057
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

01:19:59.077 --> 01:20:00.880
[SPEAKER_04]: So, I don't know, here's hoping.

01:20:01.721 --> 01:20:02.222
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

01:20:02.543 --> 01:20:03.224
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

01:20:03.244 --> 01:20:04.145
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one out of ten percent.

01:20:05.067 --> 01:20:05.247
[SPEAKER_01]: OK?

01:20:05.267 --> 01:20:07.151
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, guys, let's go to the end.

01:20:07.251 --> 01:20:08.533
[SPEAKER_01]: Have a great, safe weekend.

01:20:08.553 --> 01:20:10.657
[SPEAKER_01]: And with this guys on the next week.

01:20:10.677 --> 01:20:10.877
[SPEAKER_01]: Bye, guys.