Michael Review | Non-Spoiler & Spoiler Discussion

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[SPEAKER_00]: and hello Ruby Lumbers and welcome to show so today we are going to be reviewing Michael.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have my good friend and co-host Rossi with me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be doing our non-spoiler review for the first 30 minutes and then the out and after that 30 minutes later we're going to wind up doing our spoiler review for Michael.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you haven't seen it or anything like that, I advise you to skip the last 30 minutes and go and see Michael.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's good to be able to finally

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[SPEAKER_00]: Give you guys a show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's great to be back after a month of a hiatus a little bit, but it's great to be back over here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you everyone for joining us, but I wanna get your first initial thoughts of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I couldn't wait to see it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: After you went to go see it, John, I was like, okay, I got to see it soon, because I definitely want to talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just to let you guys know, I went and got the seats with the rumble.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we paid a little bit more, it's like, I'm really really experienced.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You want the Michael Jackson experience?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want the extra for it, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did, I paid extra for the seat, the surround sound, it was awesome, but honestly, for me, being a fan of Michael Jackson,

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[SPEAKER_02]: And just the opening scene alone, I was, I was hooked.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was, I was into it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, I didn't want the film to end really.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was so good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My first impression was really good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Jafar, wow, what, what a great performance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what he had to go through to play his uncle and the time he had to put in to really get the movements down and just his everyday movements and his voice edit, but like it was an imitation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's one thing that I can say about this and I even said this my my review by myself at times I find myself just

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[SPEAKER_00]: being able to watch just him playing Michael Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is actually Michael Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He actually embodies Michael Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel like he's doing an impression for two and a half hours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you do an impression for two and a half hours, you're going to get sort of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he'd really transformed into his uncle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to say he embodies him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did a really great job of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love what Jeff

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[SPEAKER_00]: It did a great job with it and we're going to get into Derpy in a minute about what you just said in the comment section.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's you want to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to touch on that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, I'm hated to wrap you new long did a great job playing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Katherine Jackson, I have to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do have to say that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't have been hesitate with that as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But even though I hear something, I know that you and I grew up in the 90s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that you probably see the ABC special of the Jackson's and some of that just like I did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like, you know, what they did with Joe Jackson with this one, they kind of told him down a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of feels like a BH one kind of movie in a sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like the way Coleman was able to do it with a lot better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And a sense, even though I wish that they did a little bit more with him in a sense, but just the fact that he had dominance over Michael, he gave me the anxiety, just watching him, yes, and she's seeing what he does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, this dude would actually get me anxiety.

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[SPEAKER_00]: just because of the fact that he would whip my tail for because I wanted to go out and play.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I think that they did play it a little light with Joe Jackson, you know, they, they, they,

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[SPEAKER_02]: We understood who his father was and what he was, very abusive, and if you watch documentaries in a past about Michael Jackson and the Jackson family, you already knew that about Joe Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that wasn't a surprise, but I mean, just the the spankings, the woobings, what Michael was just, it was brutal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he was what five six years old, you know, and

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the effect that it had on Michael throughout the year, you know, because if you look at interviews that Michael has done and they'd ask him about his his father, he did refer to his dad and he'd called him Joseph, right, you know, because he didn't want anything to do with him and I don't blame him because he means a beauty, a beauty not only merely a music, but physically abused him and mental abuse is a whole lot worse than physical abuse in my opinion, because at least with physical abuse,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, your wounds can go away, but mentally you can live up here in forever and he definitely tell what he did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially when Michael winds up getting a, he winds up getting a nose shop done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and Joseph is like, what did you do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because allergies, he just loved his father instantly because I was like, to save his thing for him to do, was to his father, which is sad to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, go on ahead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's so much to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My concern was the fact that before Michael got the surgery, there was a scene where Joseph would refer to him as

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Michael name.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I wonder if that's true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if that is true, that obviously gave him a complex, you know, about his nose, but if that's true, then he must have called everyone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: all his kids' bitnose because every single one of them went and got no job, you know, so, but I think beating perfection in him as a kid did have an effect on Michael because everything had to be, you know, but I liked how he explained.

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[SPEAKER_02]: wanting to be a mystery as the film goes on and explaining why he didn't do interviews in the 90s or the late 80s, you know, until over did that interview with him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But he wanted to remain a mystery and I thought that was a good business plan for him because he was literally a mystery most.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I definitely see why he would actually want to be a mystery and stuff like that, especially the things that he's been through, but also to with Joseph calling him big notes and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, here's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he wanted to be resemble this father, because he was so close to how he looks, what he looks like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think with him again, the nose shop down and everything was to be further away from his father than he could possibly be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and stuff because he doesn't want to read things like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the man in the mirror, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want to be a resemblance of what his father is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if I was mentally abused by my own father or anything like that, I don't want to have no resemblance or any ties to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And especially having his nose just like his father.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be like, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but also, I mean, with the whole nose thing, I mean, he also mentioned that, you know, he did it for aesthetics, you know, because when you're in that business and you're being filmed all the time, and picture taken of yourself all the time, could it also be that he wanted to look more pleasing on camera and, you know, in film, and he didn't find himself attractive, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we all, you know, was it early body this morphia, basically?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, what's he doing with that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then right because yeah everyone even when we read the Peter Pan book because there is The scene where he actually reads the Peter Pan book and he looks at Peter's nose right he gets he actually sees himself as Peter Pan right stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's like that's where normal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See looks like to hand right because he's trying to escape.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What Joe is doing to him right and stuff and just want to be an all-kid right, so I can see that as well and yeah What Derby said so basically thanks to Joe Jackson for whipping Michael a lot or we would have this movie or multiple music records Here's the thing

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mental abuse, physical abuse is not right, no matter which way you slice and dice it or you like that, I'm just going to put it out there like that, fine, but I do have to say that, you know, even though Michael didn't want to perform or anything like that, you can definitely tell that he was a single he was the talent of the yes, yes, yes, yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that Joe knew how big Michael would become, but I think he had a clue when Michael would sit and watch movies with Fred Astaire.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and he talked about that in life, about his love for Fred Astaire when he did the interview with Oprah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: His love for James Brown and he was really into dance and just watching them and then you see him go out on stage and

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[SPEAKER_02]: And made it his own, you know, I mean, he couldn't even record in a studio when he was a a young boy, because he couldn't stay still, you know, he would fill the music and want a dance, you know, and I thought that was just.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The interesting that he was just a professional by the age of what 12.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the age of 12, he was a professional.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then also, too, you also have the producers who this producer guy that was like trying to teach him how to producing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Joe Jackson got jealous of the fact that he's spending time with this son.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, dude, you're not stepping up as a father, or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He needs some type of guidance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of a father figure, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this that part just made me tear up because this guy is actually being a father figure to him and being someone that Joe Jackson is in and I just love that bond between the two of them because of the fact that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, okay, Michael, these are where the levels are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is how you mix it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also like on the side of the booth and everything goes, okay, Michael, you need to stay still.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was, that was very Gordy, just to let you guys know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was very Gordy with Michael because Michael was on Motown.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That you discovered Michael was very Gordy's assistant, the Susan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was his relationship with very Gordy in the studio and, you know, Joe B in

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and Joe coming in thinking that Michael's bothering Barry and he wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you can see that Barry, Gordon was even seem to be disturbed by the relationship that Michael had with his father being how Joe was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you can see it, you know, you can absolutely see that that he was intimidated and telling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Michael, you know, we got to go because, you know, I don't want you to basically bother Mr. Gordon and for him to say anything you need Michael, any question you have, you know, I'll answer that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so he played a pivotal part in Michael's life as well as later years with Quincy Jones who then had Michael at the age of a young man and then took that career to, you know, the level, a whole

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then I also like another thing too is like you want you see that he's actually losing out on a childhood right yeah and he wants a little touch of that and he just can't get it from anywhere because by that time everybody's grown the kids are out there dating and everything yeah Michael just got done going to a toy store.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and it gets a Twister game is a twist or anybody wants to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't I can't be with y'all or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And but it's full bad for him because the dude just wants someone to hang with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And everything and at that moment, everybody's grown, they're all, they're all having their own about lives.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Michael is in this world where he doesn't want to grow up in this never land mind of his.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I like to call it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And especially whenever you first see him by the ring of tang, that he gets for the one month in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it just hurts me that you guys didn't want to take at least five ten minutes out of your day, just to play Twister with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: even though it might be a little cringe because you're adults, but yeah, at the same time, though, you're a family, you have some fun together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, yeah, I, you know, my thing is like the fact that what Michael was doing is so I get why he, you know, kept, you know, hold of the Disney and the, you know, constantly, you know, reading and looking at never land, you know, like escaping his reality into this, you know, fantasy world, you know, but.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I also got that, you know, the boys were older, you know, they're like young men, you know what I mean, they're like grown men that are dating and they're a past, wister, you know, play a game on monopoly or something, you know what I mean, but you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know what I mean, you know

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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think, how do you think it was for Jefari to play Michael and play these scenes where he wasn't even a thought yet?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And to know these intimate things about his uncle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's like an emotional level for him because as a jackson being a jackson playing a playing someone that he's related to right and just seeing seeing videos of comparing Michael in him together is just something is this actually see on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's just an emotional way that he had to carry is like I got to fulfill these big shoes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of my uncle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do I do that in a way that is carrying and loving and respectful to my uncle?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not going to be something that is considered a maybe rude or offensive not only to my uncle, but also to my family as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to try to counterbalance it and stop to where it's not going to be right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I do believe in a biopic where you have to talk about the negatives and positives of somebody's life as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't just glorify them and hold them up to a pedestal, but at the same time though, this one doesn't respectfully because of the fact this is the rise and star of the pop star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the king of pop that we know are going to know later on in the future.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can have those emotions and there's stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel bad for my goal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel bad that he got betrayed this way and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of why he's going through these things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that later on and part two, maybe they might actually show the pain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some flashbacks of what his father did to him even more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is still haunting him or

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[SPEAKER_00]: even go into some of the other stuff as well, because I think that you do need to actually have the kind of balance between the two, but going off your question to like hand playing it I bet that must have been something anxiety going through his mind, I was like, I can't wait.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had to play my uncle, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I could just see him asking his aunts and his other family members like, how do I play my goal?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do I do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't want this to be respectful, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then knowing their uncle, I mean, he was old enough to know him, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know that they get together, you know, ask family, you know, that he's see his uncle as much as, you know, we would probably see our relatives, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or was it a once in a blue moon because Michael was so busy and kind of,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, lived his own life, and it seems like he kind of was distance from his family, you know, as far as we know in the media, but maybe not, you know, I do have to say though, a lot of the performances that that Jafari did as Michael, there were times where

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, some of the stage performances I would forget because, you know, you remember the victory tour, you know, you remember that tour and also the fact that, you know, it showed Michael struggling with, you know, leaving the Jackson five and going out on his own.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and how Joseph was able to manipulate him because it did, you know, you did see from what there said, Michael loved his family.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, at that time he loved his family, loved his brothers, you know, but he also had ambitions to be, you know, who we know as Michael Jackson, you know, beat it, you know, he had a vision of what he saw his future being, but he couldn't take them along with him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like it's a boy band, it's done, you know, you split up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even when we're Joe's eyes, please, well, things like this is started in the 1970s and Joe's still trying to push them even through the 80s, and like Joe, even you're living through the lenses of your own kids, thinking that they're still little, just as Michael's also trying to think of that he's still little as well, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're having that nostalgia, the fact of these kids, you really let that go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to destroy you, it's going to destroy your family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, but he still pursues it as if people are so interested in this and my own laws that the times have changed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and he knows it's time to move on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the grown up in him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, look, I need to do my own thing guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't do what I did when I was a kid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, and wanting to be his own person, you know, wanting to be his own man, you know, wanting to call his own shots.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, listen, the fact that he lived that home as long as he did, you know what I mean, they all live together from what it seems until their 20s, you know, maybe 1920, maybe 22, you know, they lived that home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He still had his room when they moved to Encino.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he still had his room.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was, you know, as, you know, we all know, you know, the toys that Disney figures and all that stuff, but he was still coming home at night to his home living with his mom and dad, you know, and the fear of Joseph when he would come into the house like he said the, you know, getting his nose job regardless he was a grown man able to do it and to be afraid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, of Joseph or the scene where he was in a kitchen and he had a really good day and he's getting icing ice cream and Joseph is just standing there, you know, You know, and it's all the meaner which is change, you know, but you in real life, you know, and the interview at Oprah and that I bring that up because that was a huge interview, you know, he spoke about those things, you know, he spoke about Joseph and it seems like even when he brought up his his father's name, it was this kind of just

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's tight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just yeah, you know, you can tell that he's he didn't like talking about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He even mentioned his name gave him anxiety, right, but I also want to talk about this though, too, that pissed me off with Joseph was like this, if it wasn't for me, you would not be done it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, sir, it wasn't and I said this online in the theater, I didn't feel like I was even doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like no, sir, I

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't for Michael having the talent, yeah, you wouldn't have that mansion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Jackson five, you might as well just call the Jackson four because Michael carried them on their backs right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was talented.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, I'll definitely all talented, but let's be real, you know what I mean, let's be real.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What did you think about Catherine?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and they were Joe Jehovah's Witness, you know, I just, you guys know, they were Jehovah's Witness.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You need to refer to his mom as mother.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is show that he absolutely dored his mom, loved his mom.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't blame his mom for, you know, Joe's behavior.

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[SPEAKER_02]: His mom seemed to

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[SPEAKER_02]: definitely be there when he needed her to be a mom.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And even she was intimidated because Joe is just a huge personality, you know, very intimidating.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So for her that's very quiet and seemed very docile.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love the fact that she started to speak up and letting him know to you know, let's not get a confused if it weren't for Michael.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We wouldn't be in this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love she said it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I actually, you know, I was waiting for her please say something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because here's the thing, I love the chemistry between her plane of Michael's mother, I love the chemistry between the two of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, not only did I like that, but I also like the fact that she watched movies with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She nurtured him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you also have that respecial respect between her and it's like, hey, look, mom, it's not a golf fault that I grew up in this environment or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't blame you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: at all because it's not your fault because here's the thing like you said there's a presence about Joseph he's towers over her yes but that male dominance over her yes and there's even a moment where I thought he was actually going to fiscally hit her me too I I was wondering that you know was there some type of abuse between the two of them you know did that happen because there were scenes where it was tense you know and it made me question

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, what don't we know, you know, I mean, I know that's family business, but still, it just seemed like he was just like, you know, he he slapped somebody in a minute, you know what I mean, like exactly like, you know, if he didn't, he didn't stop doing what he did to Michael met somebody can do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to somebody else in the family, like his wife, like that dude, like your mind can't help but wonder that because he's also mentally and physically abusing his son, or is all his sons basically, all his sons, but when Michael more of the physical abuse in the mental abuse, but it does make you wonder, is he also doing the same thing to his own wife as well?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But do you know if I, yeah, go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, you go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do like the fact that she finally speaks up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, look, enough enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I put up with it in the 70s and the 80s, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Enough enough, Joe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what are you going to do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a grown-ass man now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's grown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't do anything to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's still trying to control his life, but, you know, I do like what Michael does like later on in the film.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, Oh, my gosh, and I like how he sits there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And at first, I thought this was actually John Kusack and it's not even John Kusack is actually another actor that because of the way it looked like John Kusack to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, me too, I was like, but yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's Miles Teller playing the agent and I just love this because so you've made it to each voice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I want to be a big star.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be bigger than anybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to love my light shine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you do that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's one other thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want my father fired.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you do that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you do that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, when do you want to done fast?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It says

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[SPEAKER_02]: right and fires his dad and but think about that you live right now you live at home you're with your dad but that just tells you they i i wouldn't want to give him you know his his his his his walk up if you know i mean i would like to do it so i i got where Mike was like anybody you know because it's not the first time he had somebody

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[SPEAKER_02]: reach out and tell Joe like like telling Joe when he talked to the when he was joining epic records.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he was talking to the owners or whatever the executives and telling them, you know, one thing I need you to do and at this point, I like he had sold so much he was doing so well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And remember he told them,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I need you to tell Joe that I'm leaving the Jackson five.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You need to do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so they went and did that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't go as quiet as well as they wanted it to because Joe just didn't get it, you know, he still was trying to make money off of those, off of those boys off of those young men.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that he can continue the life that he's living, whatever he does, gambling, whatever it is that he was into.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he wanted them to pay for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it was like just squeezing them to like you said that it was over with, you know, one thing they didn't mention on the movie was that they had a cartoon Jackson five had the Jackson five cartoon like yeah, they had a lot of product that was they were a brand I mean so it's like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When you look at that, but a time Michael is ready to go on his own, dude, you've gotten everything from him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, because of him, then you guys became a brand, it's time to go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Joe's over there trying to compare them to Coke.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, dude, you're like, die at Coke at this moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you're not even Coke.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're just Sam's club.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then nobody wants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Your doctor's thunder at this moment because

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[SPEAKER_00]: And everybody's now towering for Michael and I want to point this out though to and we're getting closer to our spoiler talk, but I do want to talk about this is the we're talking about I'm going to talk about two things the anxiety and then also two I also want to talk about how he comes out with songs and stuff like that and how quick he is with the core choreography with the dancing and stuff in a minute, but you would we would you talk about the anxiety of living at home with your own parents and you fired them coming home to them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't go through the same emotions, but I can relate to being with someone that's toxic and being in your head and then being afraid to speak out and then finally have people that will actually have your back right and speaking out for you right that is powerful to me and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I don't blame Michael, I don't blame Michael at all for wanting to get other people to actually side with him because no one's going to show us talking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Listen to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's an artist like a douchebag that is a care about nothing but himself and also to benefit off of Michael.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he gets the most honest man in the world to actually do this toward that Michael doesn't even want to go on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that damn big three tour.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that tour was great tour, but he did not want to be a part of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He did not want to do that because of that tour and advertising for Pepsi.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's when it's is hair caught fire, you know, which did a lot of damage because from what we are to understand because of that that cause a lot of, um,

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[SPEAKER_02]: pain with his scalp being burned, you know, and doing, you know, transplants and the graphing of his scalp because of the burns.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We all remember that being on the news, and he could have literally died in the fact that they're saying that Joe's response was, when how soon do you think he could

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[SPEAKER_02]: to perform was just, he was portrayed as cold-blooded, just absolutely cold-blooded.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you felt bad for Mike like that point, but they did the tour.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought it was really interesting that how he kind of ended the tour.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And what you said to kind of let them know, this is it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I like how he looks over at Joe's client.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Joe is freaking out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was close.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If that happened, that was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, I thought there was a perfect send-off as far as that goes like, yes, it's like, I just want to let everybody know that This can be our last tour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I'm there by the way, but yeah, sure is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sure is yes, I'm with a vibe and went Michael the whole time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It came to far because I'm thinking that this is Michael, but I also want to point out this We grew up in this time in the 80s and 90s, Russ.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We actually seen people passing out what it was proud because this is a blackmailed dominance that I was personally had this kind of thing where women were passing out because of him and stuff like that Michael had that same type of feeling with these women.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like I'm like

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like I remember that, I really do, I remember women passing out women passing out on turn of the concerts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was one to be Michael, I actually did my collection of questions and everything and Kenny Garton do a moonwalk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Same here, same here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, it just shows you the gravitas that Michael has on people on how much people love his music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And um, but I'll let you go ahead and talk about some other stuff too, but I know that we want to talk about the music aspect of it as well with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, the music aspect it was it was it was absolutely great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The the huge performance where Michael Jackson comes out as Michael Jackson and that was at Motown 25.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember that like it was just today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember seeing him on stage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember him performing Billy Jean and when he did that moonwalk.

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[SPEAKER_02]: the stadium went nuts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just all over the news, all over ET entertainment tonight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was huge, you know, and I remember my little sister and I, and every other kid in a neighborhood, I mean, which start dressing like Michael Jackson, they had the hair like Michael Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they, the jackets, remember the jackets?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we never got one to two expensive, but I remember, yeah, it's with the jackets, like

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like how Madonna came out and every girl wanted to be Madonna, you know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But Michael Jackson was a family name, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the whole family could go and see him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The whole family can sit and watch him perform.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when he dropped it, when he finally was able to get on MTV.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, his, his videos became premieres, became movie premieres, short movie, short films, and you would gather around as a family and you would sit and watch that on MTV.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone would be like, have you seen Michael Jackson's new video?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Was the biggest talk with everyone because there wasn't many people that did not like Michael Jackson and the fencing was just

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was overwhelming.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, people loving him that much to whether fainting at his concerts and you'd see clips.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They always showed clips on MTV new, you know, the latest concert his Budapest concert.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, carrying people out was just

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I mean, I remember there were times where I remember I think it was the history concert and he would come out on stage and remember he just stood there like a like a statue with the glasses on the suit on and he just stood there and said nothing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the crowd would listen, you bought a ticket to go see Michael Jackson and you didn't even last the the intro, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, how do you have to do it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not pro seats and you didn't even see the concert like you saw him and they had to get you out of there imagine that you no one even thinks about that how much money were they paying for these concerts the pass out and you don't get to see the concert.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: With your thing of the concert.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Lesson five minutes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He came out there and I couldn't contain myself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's how much people loved his man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I also want to talk about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I like his creativity, where he's going through the cards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I also like how he's he's I like how he actually familiarizes himself with the news and stuff like that, but the grips and the blood.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, I like how he did that and he's like, OK, I know what I'm going to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to unite both sides.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let them be in my music video for beating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like how it comes up with

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[SPEAKER_00]: The, not some photography, but the, the choreography choreography choreography.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right, the dance choreography right there on the spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It goes, okay, guys, what I wanted to do is I'm going to go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do the same moves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing, but you're going to do the opposite moves as I am, but we're still going to be in sync, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was real he really didn't have gang members remember that was that day and out that they really were gang members in his Beaded video that was not a lie that was that would that made the news

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember VH1B trivia things that they used to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I watched that's how I learned about some of the stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, that's a pretty amazing that music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what Michael wanted to do was unite the world with his music.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even his manager goes to Michael.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a good idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Trust me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a good idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can make this work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, then even with the thriller music video and he had a point like I like how he look how we're seeing as an audience seeing it and for them like okay this looks kind of fired this looks pretty cool right and then once you get like the half body shot through the angle of the director realizing oh you're not seeing the footwork and everything that Michael is trying to do right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I like how he is working with the directors and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I like how he's doing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I like the fact that he does short films and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yes, like that for his videos because when it's like a Michael Jackson experience.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I know his videos were yes, they're not going to get it from anyone else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now also like how the executive is like Michael, no one's going to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You want him to be with you, just trust me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are going to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to make it happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're going to make it happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to make that happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And even when you think about just that statement alone, knowing that at that time, Black artists cannot make it on MTV.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They wouldn't even give them a chance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They was like, it was a white platform or white audience.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like Michael said, my music is not for black white.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Would it my music is for people?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's for the world.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and then doing that and putting him on MTV, you know, it's like, you guys don't know what you guys are talking about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have no clue what people listen to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if the music's good, people are going to listen to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care what color they are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to listen to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so, but finding that out was kind of, you know, it was disappointing because it was like, you're passing up on this guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is who you guys are passing up on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And finally,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, to where MTV start doing Michael Jackson movie prepares video premieres.

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[SPEAKER_02]: MTV was all about Michael Jackson once he, you know, his video played once.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you would think that because of off the wall, then this is what he had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And seeing white people come together to listen to his music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she was like, wait, this guy's generating not only just the black community, but the white community as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe there's something more to this that we're missing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, there's just stuck in their bubble.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just a maces me on how much Michael was able to get them out of their own bubble.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And show them, hey, look, this is the my music is for everybody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm happy for his music, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he fought for his music and I love that as an artist.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He fought for his music and and

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we, we looked at him as just, you know, so quiet and timid and no Michael Jackson was a beast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, that stuff you see on TV, he had to be back and able to push what he wanted and to get those things out there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And although he had people working with them, he had to have a voice to say, this is how I want it done.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he seemed to be the type that if he says get it done, get it done.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there is no I can't, like he didn't know what I can't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so that quietness, that what we see, you know, on TV, no, I believe that he was a business man and he was rude when he had to be and he got things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're seeing what the entertainment side of him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The business side of him is like, look, I heard you for a job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It makes me give you my job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you get your ass on out of here because I don't need you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't blame him one bit for I like how he because anybody else would have actually tried to not keep that separate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he did a good job of counter balancing it is like, hey, look, this is a business side of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The entertainment side is my soft spoken side of myself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But even though I have a soft spoken side of myself, I am going to get serious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do like that kind of balance between him and the industry and then the entertainment world that we know him in as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I just thought that Them doing with Jeff Hart Jackson did a really good job of playing Michael.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I never I found myself watching a Michael Jackson concert the whole entire two hours and I didn't feel like over the two hour movie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is so funny that you say that because that's exactly how I felt.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I literally felt like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like I had a front row seat in inside Michael Jackson's life and between concerts, him at a doing business meetings, you know, him at home, this,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jafari did just such a good job with bringing you into that to where you forget that it's an actor playing Michael Jackson, you know, and especially with the performances, I mean, the facial expressions, the movements, you know, if you go back and look at those concerts on some of the performances that he did Michael Jackson did and Jafari, you know, imitate it, you know, read it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Seriously, a lot of it is exactly how Michael Jackson was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now listen, not everybody can be Michael Jackson and get it down like Michael Jackson, but this kid did a good job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He did a really good job, and it helped that his facial feature, his build, you know, was similar to Michael Jackson's build at that time, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, is Bill.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I loved his bodyguard, his driver.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Me too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was my favorite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That he's the one who he had this movie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Bill was great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If that's who he was in real life, two Michael Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He did a great job of protecting Michael Jackson, being his, his sounding board, just every, every moment that Michael Jackson had in his life at that time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you see Michael, you saw Bill.

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[SPEAKER_00]: right and speaking of Bill like let's talk about him because that's something else I wanted to talk about was I like how Michael's like I really want to go out and do my own thing I want to go solo yes my father doesn't want to want me to he's like like move out yeah right and he's like and you know it's simple for someone to say that when you're not going through the mental abuse

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, because you're going to be where you feel the most comfortable at, even when you're going through mental abuse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so, you know, I don't blame Michael at all at that point is like, I want to move up, but I can't because I have this shadow in my head that won't go away because of Joe Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and I like how bills like just move out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got off the wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got money coming in from that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a number one apple.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't need to live at home anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can have and he moves out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He winds up getting getting out of the whole entire deal with Joe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He winds up getting out of the motel thing goes into another record label.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, anyone's not doing even better and more successful than anything because I want to be bigger than the beach boys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be bigger than anybody, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he does it and you know, he knows what he wants and he goes for it.

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[UNKNOWN]: Bye.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And how he explained that, you know, when he explained it, you know, is kind of like, you know, hey, these comment, if it came around every year, we wouldn't look at it if it didn't sky, we wouldn't, it'd be normal, you know, the comments coming around again, same time this year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He wanted to not beat, he wanted to be like, hey, these comment that came around every few years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He wanted to be mystery, like mysterious like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: to where you're not bored.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like, oh, another Michael Jackson song.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's something that you look forward to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And as you saw the way that he built his career and how videos were dropped, you know, of him, you know, it will exactly that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, let's be real.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If there was an award show,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Michael Jackson showed up, they wouldn't tell you that Michael Jackson was showing up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He would show up and you would freak that out because he doesn't do those type of things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he kept to that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: His performances was a mystery.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you waited for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he did exactly what he said he was going to do as far as that's concerned because you did or you waited, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And every single music song was different from the other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, he always, I think the reason why it took him such a long time, there was to get the mixing right on stuff to make sure he had the right sounds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And things like that, he was always experimenting with sounds and stuff, every album sounds different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just love, I like his music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a Michael Jackson fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I found myself downloading the greatest hits album right afterwards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, let's see what else I did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I ended up watching Moonwalker right after because I watched Moonwalker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I forgot Joe Peshie was even in that movie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I came home from a theater and, you know, I did the same thing, it just reinvigorated my love for his music, you know, I came home went on YouTube, you know, subscribe to channels if I wasn't subscribed to to them, you know, right now YouTube's running, you know, 24 hour Michael Jackson, you know, live stream that they're doing on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I went back and and watch some of his videos, you know, and just, you know, just went down memory lane.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's how much this movie pumped me, you know, after seeing it, you know, it's like, how I want to hear some Michael Jackson, you know, I want to see some videos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So definitely definitely did that for me, I miss him as an artist, I do too, because there's not many talented people out there now, right, that can do what he did and has something to say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and, you know, I think that he is music still lives on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a legend as right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's can go pot for crap out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I gave this movie a five out of five going off of it because it was just to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He embossed like I'm not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know I'm repeating myself, but he embossed Jeff hard Jackson embodies Michael home in the mango does have been has a job of playing Joseph.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like this, this movie needs to be nominated for best, maybe for best picture, but also to have come into Mingo for best supporting actor, have your projects and as best actor, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what they need to do is they need to do a rerelease of this movie, like they did with sinners to keep people people in saying, hey, look, yeah, no, this movie came out on the summertime and we have other movies, but this was actually the blockbuster of the summer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, and I also want to shut up, you know, Anton Fuqua, you know, he he directed this film, it was written by John Logan, but the directing, the direction of the film, the way it went great job, Mr Fuqua, he did great, and Tom Fuqua always does a good job, but yeah, he he's he's great, so it was great that he was directing this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Also, I want to mention that the executive producers of this film was Prince Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was one of the executive producers of what's the sisters, the one bag.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The one that was in a movie, Latoya Latoya Jackson also was an executive producer of this film, German Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Some of the other brothers were executive producers of of the film.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the family was definitely involved in the making of this film.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just want to point this up though, too, with there's over four hours of footage that they actually had to cut.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And because of, you know, the script and stuff like that, they go through changes and things like that, but I wouldn't be surprised if they try to use some of that footage just for part two, just save on some time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But just the fact that this movie was number one, and people are still talking about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just shows you how much people love Michael, how much they want to actually see a Michael Jackson biopic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's done well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not because the other biopics I have to say, I mean, I think Flex who's a comic, you know, he's a funny comic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He played Michael Jackson, I think was in the 90s and it was just odd that he played him and a lot of the movies come off to be as if they're making fun of him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a real biopic, it's taking shots, it's making fun of him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's sit in the tree, I love sitting in trees, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, like, like, like, like, like, like, yeah, you know, it's like they, it's to make fun of him, you know, so I wasn't sure is this going to be one or more, they're going to take jobs and make fun of him or is this going to be a real biopic and it was actually a real biopic, you know, to the point to where at the end, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You enter in the back door, you know what I mean when he's walking out on stage and he's getting ready for the back door, you know, and it says his story continues like you said and part two because obviously there's a lot about Michael Jackson that we're going to get into that wasn't so pleasant and people still have questions about and did he do this or did he do that, you know, so I think they're going to touch on that and the next going you have to tell the whole story, you know, like I said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you have to tell the whole story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't just go on ahead and just rise in mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to talk about his downfall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's any downfalls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to toss up the highs and lows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't just go on the highs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though it's fun to do it, but you hear something with our lives.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have highs on lows just like everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just want to point this out though too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was talking to one of my co-workers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She goes, I had no idea that Michael's skin was

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we had a lot of skills and everybody made those rumors up remember saying oh he was bleaching his yes and self because he wants to be white right and you know as a kid you believe that and then as you're grown a doubt you know I'm like no there's gotta be something more to it yeah you start questioning that shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also, too, there was also not that much research done during that time about picking a similar in like that either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that's also another reason why probably why Michael was trying to hide it because he didn't understand it himself probably.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, I just think that I like how they wind up just touching on a little bit and then they move on with it and doesn't make it that whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you had, you had, if you watched America's next top model back in the 2000s, you had a model on there that I believe she won and yes, she had Vittalago she was a black model and she had Vittalago remember and half her whole face was partially wide and partially brown, you know, so it was a thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, um, and thank you for asking me on the right analogy of it because I was calling a pigmentism.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do appreciate you telling me what's going on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What it was because I know some people call it that and some people call the scientific term for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thank you for telling me what it actually was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no problem.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, and like you said, it's exactly like you said, John, at that time when he was being diagnosed with that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm happy that they hit on that, because you have to explain that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have to talk about that, you know, and him having that was just if it was true, I believe it was real.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe it was true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, as you get older,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why would he have to lie about that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, but yeah, Vitalago, and he had it, it just wasn't something that people knew about at that time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I would have covered up too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I also have one other question and then we can wrap up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, with your think of Joe Jackson and the ABC show, and did you think that he actually did a good job at depicting who he is in the ABC show or do you think that they did a better job

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I think they did a better job in this one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that this one is to me was much better depiction of him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, like I said, they have to play it a little light, but you get the point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You, you get, um, yeah, so I definitely this one portrayed him a lot better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What, what about you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the ABC one worked for it's time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it might be a little too over the top in a sense, right now, if you go back and look at certain things, but then you can still feel some of the maybe some of the motion or whatever, but think that there's a balance with Coleman playing it because you don't have to be allowed as person in the room, right, to be threatening you can just be chilled and cold as ice like Coleman can and be able to convince us that this guy is really haunting and

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[SPEAKER_00]: towering over me, not only physically, but mentally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's two different ways of how I'm going about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to be allowed to be threatened.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to I'm going to give him his credit as their father.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to give him his credit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He put this band together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He put these kids together together and he put them on a pathway to become stars.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I actually, you know, how he went about it and why he went about it that way, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I, I give him his credit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He, you know, these kids had a life and lived in a way that was just amazing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he did see that his kids have talent, you know, also though, you know, was it him living through those kids, you know what I mean, because they showed him with the guitar at times, you know, because remember he worked in the mines, exactly the two and I understand that you want the best for your kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, but then once they start doing better than you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you're going to be even a lot of the wrong way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We want to let you guys down and benefit off of them, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I understand it from his perspective in a sense of like I want to like his to do better than I did, so I they don't have to work in this minefield because he even mentioned it to them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It goes, yeah, you want to work there all your life or you want to go and hand do something else.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you figure Gary Indiana poor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or, I mean, you know, a town that's probably hard to get out of.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I gave him his credit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He gave them a pathway, you know, to to become, did they, my thing is that they even want to perform, did they want to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This, or did they have dreams of being something else?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He just put this together, but whatever, he put them together, he made them into, and helped them to become legends, because they all are legends every single Jackson five.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care if they didn't have the career that Michael had, but they are legends and they're all right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, dad made that happen, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So our question for you is, what did you guys think of my goal?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you like Michael?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you not like Michael?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tell us in the comments below, what was your rating for this movie?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How many times did you see Michael?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't want my friends seeing this movie over seven times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But tell us in the comments where you'd like to actually know what was what stood out for you, what's your favorite moments in the movie, what's your favorite Michael Jackson song?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you where you like us?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where were like, oh, we're going to let Nostalgia take over and we're going to go and go on YouTube and watch

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, did that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but it is guys, but yeah, I think that's everything that we had wanted to cover as far as Michael goes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm still standing on my five out of five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go check it down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, five out of five for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't go wrong with us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will try and do

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jojo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Jojo.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jojo the Patriot one man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, I like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jojo man is my person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what minus like smooth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like smooth criminal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's my favorite one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's my go to and beat it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like Billie Jean, but my all time favorite dance one is remember the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, that was a good one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's my favorite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, okay, I know I posted this on my Facebook page, but you know when I always thought he said when he goes, I'm bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he was saying, I'm a man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm a man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, yeah, I'm a man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, let's move on to the kid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I'm a man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, no, it's a bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like a big guilty, big guilty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyways, guys, that's gonna be it as far as this show goes and Jojo at the Patriots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably, I went well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, thank you for your Patriotism.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We do appreciate it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, plan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's gonna be it as far as this show goes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't forget to smash the like button, subscribe button, all that other good stuff here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be doing something tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I have a couple more announcements coming up later on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys can check that out on the community tab and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll see you all next time, guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bye, bye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bye, guys.

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[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.