It: Welcome to Derry 1x07 Review – The Black Spot Tragedy, Pennywise’s Influence & Derry’s Darkest Night

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello Ruby lovers and local show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have my good friend Chris here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're here to review the Blacks And everybody knows this is actually one of the biggest things that happens actually in the city case It novel and it actually started the buyer of stuff like that It but it starts off a little bit differently than what it does in the book But I'm like how they set it up in the TV show so I definitely like that But let's talk about this the fact that it actually starts off back in 1908

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[SPEAKER_00]: at the carnival and then Pennywise, the dancing clown, and of course we also know this Bob Gray because of the fact that his hair is not the way it's supposed, you know what I'm saying it has doesn't make up because of prosthetics on it, but I definitely like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely like how we're introduced to this and how he became, how it became Pennywise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt, I feel like that the audience actually does need to know how Bob Great died and the origins of how Mrs. Kersh came about with this as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I definitely like how they started off with this, especially the stage play of Pennywise dancing out on stage and have him, and it looks like he was trying to, the story is like morning over his dead wife, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I like how they're actually foreshadowing him and his heart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of morning over his dead wife while also trying to take care of his daughter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what's your thing about the opening thing?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I loved that they actually brought that in, giving us a background on Pennywise and how he wasn't always Pennywise the clown, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was imitating what a little boy and then lured.

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[SPEAKER_02]: lured him out into the woods and he chose him because, you know, the children seem to be attracted to you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The end of the trial.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's actually the easiest way to go about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because he's actually seeing how the kids are actually

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[SPEAKER_00]: engaged in what Pennywise is doing with Bob Ray is doing with these kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, so I can lower the these kids in with the innocence of my eyes or my whole type of son of dancing and stuff with that and making those smiling and then turn on them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I definitely like how they did this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like that you actually need the context within this to actually get us going here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I also like how Mrs. Curtains actually dressed up in a little clown outfit wanted to show Bob Gray.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, look.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm wanting to do this with you and he does this father-in-daughter thing and she reminds I'm named her after the mother and I like that moment of Bob like let me see your bow and she bow and she also blows her horn it was just this cute little adorable moment between father-in-daughter that really had a big smile on my face

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Bill Skarskark does a fantastic job of balancing Pennywise and also Bob Gray at the same time, which is a hard thing to do as an actor, but overall I thought that was that scene really pays off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was a, it was a great scene.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You get the emotional attachment for Ms. Kursh, too, pretty wise.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you also learned that, you know, Pennywise was once a famous clown back in the day, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, he's a prestigious figure at this point, which makes him even more alluring to the audience.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He, like you mentioned, he had the play.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a good story telling mixed with comedy and and everything and you know, I could see why why it would would choose him to to mimic exactly and then I also like how Bob is just drinking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not, in fact, he's just taking a break fucking a cigarette.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and drinking a little bit and just trying to cool down from everything over the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you see this kid just pop out of the woods.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like how he goes, go away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't even want to be bothered.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, at first I thought he was just going to be a complete jerk.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then he was like, well, he did kind of try like he heard the mom scream supposedly, which was more likely just it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, he's like, oh, well, maybe this kid actually needs some help and, you know, the kid look a little roughed up too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, definitely was believable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do like the fact that, you know, he's learning him into this trap and using the innocence of that child to do what he means to do, which is take the persona bob.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, all of a sudden, it goes into Mrs. Kirk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Kirk is a low kid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's all it is just his little hankership with his initials on it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll cover it in blood.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Please, oh, maybe I coyote got to him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like the wolves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, wolves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like really here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're not even going to go and check on the dude or he's like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did say that they come the woods a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's all they can do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, then just leave them out to the wolves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, or yeah, or yeah, I definitely like the opening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the cold opening was really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we get back into the 1960s where Bauer's and his man wanted one hang dick tells them and it's a military hang of

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[SPEAKER_00]: and was going to give him stuff up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hank was actually going to give him stuff up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was a stand-up between Bowers and his men and the military powers is going to burn the Black Spot down, which we actually see in the book and everything too where they actually burn it down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At first, when the brothers, they showed us on with the Black Spot, I thought, is this the club that's going to burn down?

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[SPEAKER_00]: that I read inside the novel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, is it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then all of a sudden, it does happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like that not to the book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I really feel, I actually geeked out a little bit because the fact that I know what's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But just singing this full context on the screen, oh my gosh, like, that was just horrifying to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that, in fact, there was an Easter egg in that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's seeing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, with Easter egg.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so did you ever see the movie or the mini series of Storm of the century?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I haven't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, in there, the Mr. Nganoj, Nganj, I'm sorry, I'm butchering the name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been years since I've seen it, but it tells the town's people, can you what I want and how go away?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it may affect the mask, even looks like Mr. Nganj, no,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's actually a quote that Mr.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Knowledge says to the town just as those characters saying it's in down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I like that little nod to the storm of the century.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, but yeah, the black spot just burning down and then seeing all these characters being burnt up everyone that we knew in this entire TV show just start getting burned up getting shot up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We see Dick tripping again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's seeing visions of it did any in person and the Indian person's trying to and then the male and civil war soldiers trying to show them the way out to another side and then we have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Margaret and we also have Rich and this reminds me of Titanic, but Titanic down in the right way where you actually have Rich did goes get inside the trunk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She goes, it's enough for two people and she's like, no, it's not enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: just a lid against on top of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he sacrifices himself for March.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's going to be, I'm going to say this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's actually going to be Richie's mom that we actually get.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say March is actually short from Margaret, which is also Richie Tozer Tozer's mother.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's what's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And first I wasn't sure if that was what it was going to be, but it's more now more clear to me than it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then you see Pennywise just go out of nowhere inside the in the fire and then he starts eating somebody's face because I'm sorry do I have a face on my face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was like, what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do I have face to my face?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just status staring at it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Blood is just gripping down blood and drool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel bad for Veronica.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She just horrified in this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and, and then just to know that this woman who was just trying to reach out for refuge and then her face is going to eat and out by it, that that was gruesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Play.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was the perfect time scene.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was nothing but full on carnage with this black spot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, the explosive wounds from all the guns being shot out, the fires on everybody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a pretty gruesome scene.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the visions for what's this name seeing the Native American ends up being one of the tribal leaders, the former tribal leaders.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I hate he did try to save the kids, which I was thinking he was just going to try and dip, you know, right, but if it's cool to actually see the ending and do just stay in there to point out in the direction of where these kids are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Dick is actually moves to that area of moves the refrigerator and then sneak out Veronica Hank and will.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been richy and marge behind this baby cry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was so sad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he saved Marge right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he was able to get that last few words and a little story about, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, take a picture and might last longer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Very much professors his his love for and that mean that was that one kind of me up a little bit, you know, me to really really on the other side.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was hoping, I was hoping maybe he'd survive, but, I mean, we see how gruesome and go test gear and, you know, none of the kids are safe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I haven't said this in the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're thinking that these kids are going to be safer in a route of awakening, because the only one I saw that could wind up surviving is will.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we're going to talk about will in a few minutes because I'm like, oh, I might be wrong here or what they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Bye.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have Pennywise, a ducking cover kiddos.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The dark humor in this is funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's creepy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love what Bellsguard is doing here with Pennywise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is so dark and then him going out to see Mrs. Kersch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the husband is like, well, you need to get back and you need to go back home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I forgot what her name of her actual character name is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been calling him Mr. Kersh all through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, you need to go back home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like thing, you know, you see Pennywise with a meat with a butcher knife.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The chops off the dudes head and starts eating it like a damn orange.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's got that Pennywise shuffle walking up with his butcher knife and just showing great across.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She starts talking to him thinking he's, is her dad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But right, her father, I like how he does this thing with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she goes dead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Look, and she starts bowing and he starts clapping.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was his daughter again and stuff goes when I got to go now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, no dad, no don't think it's just I'll come back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I always do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's time for me to get some sleep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I gotta go to sleep now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like that she shouldn't don't abandon me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If she wouldn't have grabbed his arm, she would have been okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But no, she had to go in and grab his arm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And well, she looks at him because they're not my dad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I don't look that he gave her, man, if looks could kill, that was it right there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He, she grabs him as he's trying to walk away, you know, he has his routine, man, he eats, and then he goes, just like, wait, exactly, for 27 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you get to see your dad at 27 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

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[SPEAKER_02]: He he's like he just tears at her and then that look he she could tell immediately.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're not my dad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No and I also like this don't it like whenever he's looking at her just I am your dad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Pennywise the dancing daddy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's still trying to play it off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right even though it's covers been blown even with that look your look your toes

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, and then all of a sudden, she's like, good not my dad, because, no, I ate him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's still feeling reaching, he's reaching for you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then the dead lights happen when there is face over his mouth opens up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she's gone, she's dead now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that scene was just horrifying to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, look, girl, all you had to do was just let him go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It would be fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But no, you just had to grab his arm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just wanted to go to sleep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all he had to do was break, go to sleep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was about to go on ahead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of get it though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And last time she saw him was 27 years ago, when he disappeared into the woods, she lost her dad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She finally gets to see him again, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't want to fall again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whenever she was working at the hospital in the or the poor girls down in the boiler.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She did see that one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that one time, but just the gap, you know, she, she, she misses her dad and she thinks that this this creature is her dad and until those final moments.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she's like, I knew what we'd get to see you again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This before she was, I knew what we'd get to see you again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I just went on ahead and gave you enough fear and enough anxiety.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that Hank was inside the Hank was in the hangar.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was the anonymous tipper.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she knew that I'd lunch quad was going to go over and do stuff and make him appear because it'd be two or two are resistable for him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was kind of awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It really is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like all this all could have been prevented if Hank just kept his dick in his pants.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: be would you just not love a miscarriage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Things were been okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he just had to go ahead and do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, then we actually have the military found monitoring and they found it at this moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I've seen the turtle cell, I'm like, okay, that's monitoring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it is actually inside my train as like a protector so that way, nobody can get into getting it out and I just thought, Oh, God, now we're in for a ride for this rest of this episode.

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[SPEAKER_02]: New and it just kind of went that we're only supposed to move it so far, take trying to keep the gate closed, but they decided to take it all the way to the base,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, but I was like, oh, man, don't do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys are so stupid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys don't even know what you're dealing with here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're dealing with a darkness that's within dairy, that nobody understands themselves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know the Indians that are there protecting it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yet you want to go ahead and have control over this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thinking that you have control over this thing, nobody has control over this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only people that have control over it

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not even real control that just have it caged in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a pit bull that just has like a ledger truck therapy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you think about it, it's like, okay, we haven't on his leash.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if he doesn't go outside the perimeter, we're okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have to worry about having to put it down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: By the thing, they have no clue how to put it down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they just, they just unleashed a whole new dark news with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do like the fact that Dick helped Will and Hank and Aaron.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Veronica escaped Rick and Mark are in the black spots still.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rich puts, okay, we already talked about that Charlie and the kids get to get Hank out of the woods, Dick tells them that it isn't around anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dick knows about the other pillar, but I also like the fact that, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have Will's father, Leroy, Pockendoon, and you see all the dead people around Dick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then if you notice a lot of them were fresh from the fires too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's like, what do they do to us?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What are they doing to be?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then also, too, you also have, remember, when Pennywise sees Dick, because I see you, the UCS, but that was also another horrifying thing within the five of the flames itself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The whole UCM, do you realize that they see you, too?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he like he like controls them sort of and makes them all kind of like do one of those horror like look at them kind of thing right I think the only one that wasn't affected was the need of American tribal Because never the one that was the protector.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was the protector and I think because he reached out to it because he said once he reaches out to it, it's hard for him to keep everything out because they just swarmed his psyche.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that was a that was a good creep creep out moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that we have Charlie and the kids wants to get hang out of the woods, dick tells them it isn't around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do like the fact that Charlie wants to get hang out of the woods and stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she wants to bring him over to Rose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll find we'll talk about that in a minute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then we have Dick knows about the other pillar, radio announcers, Stanley died, Stanley died, Rose knows It is resting and they wait 27 years, military trying to find the pillar, Dick still sees the dead in the end So I do like this other thing too

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have like the announcer telling us what happened and how they're framing these black people for being in the black spot and how the police.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the radio news.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Good job boys and blue.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, they didn't do anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What the heck?

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[SPEAKER_02]: But that was just the manipulating the radio station and the airwaves it manipulating the radio station pull out the the whole racism and everything it was Yeah, it was a it was a complete and total twist of of what really happened and I I mentioned that to my buddy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was watching watching it with I was like, oh man, they completely just twisted the whole story

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[SPEAKER_00]: where to go boys and blue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They weren't even there until like the next day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you also have Mrs. Kershe winking at the kids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing that was creepy was seeing this black girl take off her wig and she's laughing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, it's like she went completely nuts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was like, oh, geez.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the whole traumatic traumatic traumatic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The whole traumatic response, everyone mentally does with it a little differently.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it could just be she was just so overwhelmed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She started doing that creepy laugh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think she was thankful to be alive and she didn't know how to react.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thankful to be alive, but then sad at the same time that everyone she knows is just died and right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what a twist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Charlie Charlie is trying to get also I like how Rose and them are over inside the committee of the with the Indians and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like well, we'll see you in 27 years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, one of the, the elder, elder guys is like, well, see you about this shit later.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing else I can do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Good bye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why are we having this meeting?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're just having a meeting just to have a meeting here because everything is done and toast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then once you find out that they're not really done yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think things they actually even blamed the fire on it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that little meeting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, they did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They said it was actually at the cost of fire.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think that was a little nod towards the book as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because every incident within the town history of it always became back to Pennywise every single time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: think I have a time for I got a margin visits lily, they tell lily riches dead, March sees the toy airplane that rich through and I'm thinking myself, it also went on ahead and I don't think that that is rich richies plane.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, think so?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, because remember, he threw that plane and it landed where the sewer was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It did land over there

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, that's how that's a tough call.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It could be it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, I mean, he went to retrieve it every time too, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we're going to swore stuff without his friends.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's true, especially knowing it's there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it was probably it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then we have Daniel, he found out about the military and found it or the pillar because at that time I was actually confused and like did they find it or they find the pillar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like and I put like a question mark on my notes and then I realized, oh no, no, no, no, no, this is it that they found.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because there was other pillars besides that one that Daniel had.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you think they actually found it and not one of the pillars, they found it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They found them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They found it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And because otherwise, why would Lee Roy put a gun to Francis's head to tell them to let go to not do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, removing a pillar is like opening the gate, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he knows that if we removed the pillar and they didn't follow the protocol that they originally talked about, just moving it a little bit, they completely took it to the base.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So now it can just walk right through that whole.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, even with the incinerator, though, burning it through the incinerator,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure about that whole process.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they were trying to test the rock or something, maybe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that was actually to let it loose.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think so?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm pretty sure on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that pillar thing is just a cover up to protect it from getting out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that whole entire deal of them inside that chamber and stuff is to let it out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, we know at the end of that, that was the main goal is just to let it out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that that was actually a part of the pillar, though, that Captain caged in and now they, they just let that door just completely open up and they destroyed a way to close it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I fell back for Leroy at this point because he's just trying to do what's right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he's trying to do it's right and I'm not sure he's I think he's going to be chased down there in the next episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going to be held captive inside that base either held captive or or taking care of you know we were always actually in a chapter one so that tells me that he does some house or vibe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's truly isn't it one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did just watch all of them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe Dick does help him or maybe something, you know, I mean, at the end, it does come back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He does wake up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, maybe maybe because he wakes up, they're all like, Oh, crap, and they keep him around, you know, maybe, but I don't see the military being that lenient, especially after putting a gun to Francis's head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Francis is thinking that he's going to prevent another civil war.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just wants to have control over everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that he pulled the gun on him, what two, three times, and they still let him walk around.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there may be just not right in the head, and they think that he's the least of the problem or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was kind of a weird situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was like, well, we're going to let him think that he's okay, but he's really not okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can go with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because remember, he tells the other guys is like, make sure he doesn't leave the base.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And make sure that he doesn't, I mean, that could be interpreted in many ways, like, don't make sure he doesn't leave the base or keep him on the base, you know, right, both maybe both.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now, the major doesn't want Lee Roy to lead the base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rills at home, it pertains to call him, but it's Pennywise on the phone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the way he starts off with with her voice and then you get the double double up the of the voice that was that was a good that was a good transition I like that it was and then will like I'm not scared of you I'm and I'm like I was trying to stand up for himself and then at that moment it shows up on the counter and then jumps down and then he opens up the deadlines

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then there goes well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm thinking that this is what's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that League of Roy is going to go down back down in the sewer and try to get wheel back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He'll probably do it with with Dick as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to need Dick for this job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're also going to need Lily because she has the spear.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This yeah,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The material that it's afraid of and everybody's thinking that this charge that she has is actually changing her behavior, but it's not changing her behavior is just the fact that Veronica she didn't like the fact that Veronica called a crazy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh there's that and I mean she's having a complete mental break.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean she just saw all these people all of her friends originally die in the theater and then she's been chased in everything and then people still think she's loony and then it has been messing with her mentally as well and she finally finally found something that just stopped it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: in its tracks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she's going to be like possessive of it, of course.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And because it kept Pennywise away, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think it's really like corrupting her,

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[SPEAKER_02]: And in a way, I think she just, she's so mentally like broken at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's not a lot in the drama.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the only thing that has kept kept it away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So exactly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's going to be possessive of it because it's the only thing protecting her mentally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, because I was like, well, Fiza, she's her behavior, she and I'm like, no, she's using his protection and she also doesn't like the fact that she's being called crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's also went through a bunch of trauma.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that doesn't one or the people that she trusted, curse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it that being, it's, well, Pennywise's daughter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would have freaked out too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was, that was a whoop.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was a doozy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would traumatize me is like this woman who told me that I need to keep an eye go down to the source and investigate this whole thing and to know that it's all set up from the very get go, just to see her daddy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then she tries to give it excuses and everything and.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was a, yeah, so I don't think I don't think it's really corrupt corrupting her in any way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think she's just this is her protection.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she's, you know, we have something protects you from a monster you're going to, you're going to want to keep it with you at all times exactly because all that is, it's just a protection and that's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and yeah, it could be radioactive, but it's not going to be where, you know, I'm saying it's not going to corrupt your mind.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If anything, maybe physically, if it's radioactive.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Another reference to Michigan is first at the film, comes during the black spot, all are now pledged by a agreed to spirits for opening them, uh, his mental box.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These are headless ghosts, slouching cords in through the flames.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This appears to be the same spirit that

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[SPEAKER_00]: Inside the dairy public library the little headlets kid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah So that's actually a little Easter eggs head chapter one Pennywise in this charming if Marsha performance with an arm pumping lake kicking dance That will be familiar to fans machetes first in film.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bit less creepy here though the kids go positively gag guy got for it

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are a few hints throughout Kings book that Pennywise real name was Bob Gray, so it never confirmed here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We see the non- possessed clown using a handkerchief and broad with initials RG for Robert Gray.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just to confirm, when he introduces himself to Georgie, he does wind up saying, he is Bob Gray Pennywise a dancing clown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's even in the novel itself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that I actually remember, but yeah, that's pretty much every all the Easter eggs for episode seven that I noticed was there anything else that you wanted to bring up as first this episode goes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, man, I think they did a great job with this episode.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This whole series so far has been like

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[SPEAKER_02]: Crazy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's been so much going on and like it's it's actually kept a great pace and the next episode is the next one the next one's going to be the finale for the season yep that's it eight episodes that's There's been so much just going I can't wait for the next episode man me there but I here's a good I like though about it though is the fact with eight episodes you actually would feel like it was rushed

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this is not rushed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They took their time to build the story out and also enhance the experience of what Stephen King's novels are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is actually its own cinematic universe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it, uh, so Dick was never in it or he's like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I like the, this is, it's own cinematic

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[SPEAKER_00]: and gives us more in enhanced flavor to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it gives that extra seasoning and kind of brings everything together in some ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright guys, so my question for you is did you guys like this did you not like this episode because I know Chris and I both loved this episode we both love this series, but what do you guys like what you guys didn't like I like to know in the comments below don't forget to smash the like button subscribe, but don't forget to go ahead and give us a five star review.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So go get yourself some merch and hope you're doing the next one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See you guys later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you guys.