Ghost Ship (2002) – With Anastasia Elfman: The Most Underrated Horror Movie of the 2000s

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, movie blockers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm open to show so it's not actually a good friend anesthesia Altman here with me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're here to break down Ghostion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anastasia's a goose fan of this movie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The lip going head, let's welcome her back to the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Last time she did this with me was for Dexter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, Anastasia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for having me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, welcome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's always a pleasure to have you here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to say you've been very busy over the last two weeks, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: With Richard promoting, and all that stuff, I just want to say congratulations to you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Get again for how great you guys are actually doing at the film festivals for your film.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thanks so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, just touring with it, creating these like pre show performances where I like rip a heart out and eat it in front of an audience and then we start the film bloody Bridget.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's a lot of work, but I love doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's super fun to tour around and go to different cities and states and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then my brother and la Danny just had his nightmare before Christmas life just here at the Hollywood Bowl, practically sold out if not sold out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't count heads.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But that's just awesome, though, because Danny is such a light to see on stage and just, you know, from that little clip that I seen, I can see how passionate he is about nightmare before Christmas, even after all these years and just him performing what's this, what's this and just the way he performs it is just outstanding and I love I love what he's doing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's the huge inspiration to me and my childhood.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's so special for us fans to see him not only perform live, but in front of a full 80-piece orchestra.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we have all of this incredible talent and then he brings out a sea bar tag at the end and does a couple on Go Boingers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't posted any of those yet that I plan to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just been such a whirlwind because this is our busy season anyways because it's like spooky and Halloween time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so just adding all of these extra fun events has

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad that I'm just like sitting down and here and chatting with you about one of I guess our favorite films.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's one of the best things about this podcast also too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just got done reviewing the frighteners which Danny did the score for.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize until recently that he did the scoring for him like wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he has that much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm excited to revisit that one too because I'm revisiting all of these fun horror films with our daughter Audrey and so that's kind of one of the next ones I every time I like watch an interview or I you know, listen to a podcast or something they remind me of all of these fun films and so it's like things get like a

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about this movie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So my question for you though, as a young anesthesia, you first seen this movie on the horizon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What did you think of GoShip?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And what made you intrigued with the story and everything?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I

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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched it when it came out, I was totally captivated by the whole, you know, the whole story, I love ghost, I, you know, I love going back in time, I love practical effects, so kind of like it's a perfect package for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like it's so special for us because this is almost like, because we both enjoy the film.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a love note to this film, which while I was doing my research for the film, there's not like, I don't know why there are so many like, you know, mixed opinions out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I definitely love this film.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of judge very hard so it's not a perfect film for me and we can go more into that later, but I do really love it and I guess I would say I would say like maybe around an eight or nine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and that's very high for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had a chat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I have a little bit of problems with some of the script.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, you know, that's not a huge thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Since this is like a very practical effects scare heavy film.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But overall, really loved it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did it up for me for another watch?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause I actually rewatch this not too long ago with our daughter Audrey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I had to rewatch it again just with this mindset of like how we're going to chat about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: See, that's how I do things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've watched a movie at least twice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: First time I'm just doing it for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And just not taking notes, not doing any of that, but just nostalgicly just saying, hey, I'm enjoying this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I'm a 16 year old kid again watching this for the first time and enjoying it in my popcorn.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can time go around.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually taking notes and doing what I need to do to strip away the nostalgia of this movie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I remember as a kid and I'm always in dues with this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love abandoned buildings.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I also love abandoned ships.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like abandoned houses.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like seeing people go through abandoned stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and seeing what they can find and digging up some of the past from each history of each building or ship or whatever it is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why I'm induced with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As soon as I said, go ship on it, on a go ship and you have ghosts on the ship and stuff, I'm I've

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then also to you had my vein being in this movie for like a little bit I'm over there rock in my new metal which I would shed I mean seriously this was my soundtrack if if anything but if I had to give it a proper score I probably go maybe like a 7.5 out of 10.

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[SPEAKER_02]: just for that, you know, I love this film, I love the music in it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And also too, like you said, the script is not the strongest, but it's there not to be taken seriously in a sense, because we already know these characters are going to get axed off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're also invested into who's going to be the final person, which is a good job of doing that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're also giving a story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I like how they're actually bringing the past into this as someone else's dying.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think they do a good job counter-balancing the two things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If I have to say nostalgicly on it, and this is the thing that's like a young John from 2002.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like they don't pull the punches, it's just like once we get into, I mean, this is going to be very spoiler happy, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just going to be dissecting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they've had time to watch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And guys, just to put this out there, I had a rent that's on YouTube for like four bucks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not streaming anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm telling you as well, work the four dollar pay to actually see this movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is streaming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's on like prime, but for some reason I watched it on

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like AMC plus, but I do not recommend watching it that way for some reason, even though like I we pay for no ad, I get all of these ad these ad breaks and I, if I have never watched the film before, I would have been so pissed off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I was pissed off just I don't like, and I'm not sure in my movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I already felt like at least the version I was watching on that MC plus or whatever it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt that that version had a bunch of like commercial breaks already ended in that I didn't remember from before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just said like the story thing on my Apple TV and then that was the version that came up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I just put a work like

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm probably going to unsubscribe from that, uh, you know, package that channel, whatever it is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate getting interrupted, especially because there room in some tension, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The room is a whole entire tension of the movie for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, I grew up in the 90s and 2000s, where we had to suffer through commercials, fight, how many do it more than there's with the plot?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if it's interrupted, I'm like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I just like the fact that I can actually watch this on YouTube for $4 and just support a movie that I enjoy and that's how I did it and even on prime you have to pay like $3.74.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, let's see, I enjoy this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I don't know why this film is actually at a 14% has a 38 on the popcorn meter, which doesn't make any sense at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now I was looking at that and I was really just like totally spiraling over it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to update some of these.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think even run to me those is going through the back catalog and updating, um, you know, uh, their percentages for different films.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I hope this one gets an update or I'm going to have to like finally join

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've been starting on to write more reviews on letterbox to be honest.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've actually got a letterbox account and I'm starting to use it instead of just rating.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually, I've write out a couple of reviews stuff too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love to show my support.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome aboard everyone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nice cruise is complimentary.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The drinks are free and the Wi-Fi is possessed by the Undead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're diving into GoShift.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The only movie where the real villain is

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[SPEAKER_02]: You mean to tell me they they built this whole movie around a ghost boat?

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[SPEAKER_02]: But nobody thought it called Ghostbusters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even they saw the script and said, yeah, but all I'm saying is your cruise ship starts cutting people in half before the buffet even though he means time to swim home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tonight's fucking curse goal goes to the first act that beats harder than cholesterol after our movie book.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So grab your jackets and you're a holy one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: because this ship's going down, that's where the box office after opening week back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, it's seen more than in May 1962, dozens of wealthy passengers are dancing in the ballroom in a pond of deck of the Italian ocean liner.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ever seen a Graza?

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[SPEAKER_02]: while an Italian woman, Francesca, sings, sense of fine on the deck.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A young girl, Katie Harwood, is sitting alone until the ship's captain offers dance with her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Elsewhere, arches the hand presses a lever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that Unreal reels a thin wire cord from a spoof, from a spool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The spool snaps in the wire slices across the dance floor by section the dancer Katie is bred due to her height.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just remember watching this and it's a cold open.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is the first thing that turned me on was what's going

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[SPEAKER_02]: see that snap it feels like a final destination movie and then you think everybody just standing still and then everybody just gets sliced in half and you see Katie just screaming on top of her long and I'm like okay this movie hooks you the moment of that whole entire thing and I'm in fact I think I put this as my top five opening scenes and a movie for next

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so terrific because when I mean, I don't know, I didn't revisit the trailer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know how much was given away for new audiences with the trailer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're going in blind and there's this beautiful romantic light score and it's like very old timey and it's like the font is older and it just seems like you're going into

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[SPEAKER_00]: And everybody is gorgeous and dressed up to the nines and we're just getting a feel for what the vibe is on the ship and then all the sudden cut to everybody's cut in half, you know, that was so shocking and jarring and just beautifully executed in my opinion, I just love the shock value where, you know, you just.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when I, when I was watching it, I didn't see it coming the first round.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't either.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm just glued to myself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That should be said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: chest kiss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was so beautiful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I mean just like as a viewer and I mean the acting was incredible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People are like, you know, like parts of their body are still twitching and moving the choreography of that scene with so impactful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It actually makes me tear up when I watch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just get this like visceral reaction to seeing all of that because it looks

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, in a way, so realistic and the effects crew and the VFX crew, just like it's it's seamless.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's it's a perfect example of of how you can do, you know, practical effects in camera effects and, you know, mirror and myriad with the VFX as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree because here's the thing I love visual effects we talked about this before I like visual effects over CGI but the way they meshed it together and marinated it together I thought it was perfect and then we're just as shocked as Katie is when all this is happening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, when we see that final wire with the legs ripping down and her screaming, it sits the tone for this movie and whatever expected out of this movie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like that it knows its identity from the start of this film.

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[SPEAKER_02]: get people hooked to the point where I don't feel like it's misleading any way or anything like that because I'm opening to a movie, especially called opening to where I'm going to be reviewing faculty next week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's two cool openings in that movie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like it was good just for that one opening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes it can be where does this movie know it's own identity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this one actually does and it doesn't play

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[SPEAKER_02]: and it grabs you, it's horrifying and this whole entire thing and you're like you're right about the whole entire handwriting of the class in 1950s style of the way they did this and then something so horrible happening through this whole entire brightness and the starkness that is this catastrophic event that happened and in case actually the last one to see everyone gets split

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's so romantic and innocent and it just sets the tone exactly what you said with how the whole film is and you also get little peaks into what's actually going on to like we see some different characters that will come up later as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just like these little I mean when you rewatch it you can see these like little winks and stuff that are very subtle, but as a you know a fan it's I know what's coming up right exactly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now we're going to go with 40 years later, a both salvaged crew, Captain Sean Murphy, Marianne Epps, Greer Dodge, murder and Santos, or celebrating SSS at a bar when Jack Herman, a Canadian weather service pilot, approaches them, and says he spotted a vessel, running a drift at the Bearing Sea, because the ship is an internal waters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It can be claimed by whoever brings it to port.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Warrior in Ocean-Savage, Tugbo.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As the Tugbo makes its way to the last location of the ship, Santos, the driver of the Arctic Warrior, knows as a ship, size the icon on the scanner.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's talk about the fact that you know, you're, it being introduces characters for the very first time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know that this woman is really good at what she does.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's a well underwater welder, all these other men are, I like how they actually

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[SPEAKER_02]: and categorization of her and knowing that she's actually the best that her job that these men feel comfortable with her to be able to handle this one man or woman job where she has to go underneath the water then she has to solder that piece together and she only has a matter of so many seconds before it collapses.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just amazed at how they really built that up and she doesn't fall under this thing that we see in other horror movies where it's like dazzle and distress.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's a very strong character for early 2000s, which is something I'm really am proud of that they did because even turned like later on in the movie, she does not, she does not drop down from that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I really like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would say she's the one who's saving all the boys, you know, like her crew, they're all the damsels and distress, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like plugging the matter of the water and trying to save them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She just didn't do a really good job at her, at her job, but she cries at least.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, but it makes us believe as an audience like she's done this before, and that she's the best that she can handle even though

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's just one job and we're supposed to believe the fact that she's good at what she does.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no other job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I meant like keeping them alive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, she's good at soldering.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I got you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like keeping everybody in line in order and it's like part her, it's her, um, like shipped to or something, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like a owner in this, um, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Something like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like she's kind of like a tugboat captain kind of thing where she's being able to handle these guys on the ship, even though she's like not them on captain, but it's like she's knows these guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's attached to these guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: These guys are family and it actually does feel like these guys are actually family to her and that's something that that I really enjoyed with it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, she does do kind of a horrible job at trying to keep them alive because everybody's separated on this big bass of shit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and everybody is getting killed off and the poor girls feces trying everything she can to help them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's kind of jarring to go from the past to present day and they're trying to fix some situation, right, with another bow, kind of just leading up to like explaining each character's like the kind of their job on the ship and almost in the film as well, right, kind of that like breakfast table kind of explanation of what's going on with all the characters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I like that, I like that little practice size, brunch kind of style of actually doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then they celebrate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we have Joseph Quinn from Dexter come in during their celebration, which is, I didn't even realize he was even in this movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was in the American.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I didn't even realize Desmond was even in this movie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought my first one I ever seen him was in Dexter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was like, I had a pause and I said, my wife's like, what's up?

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[SPEAKER_02]: from Dexter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, look at it, I'm like, I turned into Leonardo DiCaprio, I'm like, that's the guy, that's the guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, but still, just,

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[SPEAKER_02]: comes over to the table.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do they even know him from Adam and they're expecting them like, oh, yeah, man, not a problem.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's a ship out here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'll take you to it, not a problem, but here's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love how they're questioning him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, well, if this is such a job but one person or whatever, why don't you do it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's out in waters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no way I can get a Coast Guard over there or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have to have higher health.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll split this in you way you want and then you have that thing where it's like, well, I don't want to split it any way I want.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is how we're going to split it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot how much they actually split it for, but they make the negotiations and then he's like, there's another one other condition, like, I have to be on there with you, he's like, no, that's not happening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't blame the guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't blame him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would not bring this guy who just wants me as a hire.

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[SPEAKER_02]: to bring him a board, not knowing or anything and just trust his word that this ship is out there, because how do you know, he could actually kill everybody on the boat on the way over there and that's it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, I don't trust you, but he also tells him this, well, look, I can hire anybody else around here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I'll just go ahead and do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like a hustle move, it's like, well, you don't wanna do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll just hire these other guys at this port and see what they have to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I'd like that whole entire interaction.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd love the borer, I love how the environment is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a love to said piece of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everything for this thing definitely works.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Of the initial set up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's such an awkward scene because Murphy's like anything you have to say to me, you can say in front of my crew.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like on one hand, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's trying to be respectful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like everybody seems to get like a fair cut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like everybody does their job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody like there's no hierarchy and everybody gets a fair cut of whatever

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[SPEAKER_00]: deal their making or whatever ship they, whatever it is that they do, how they make money, it seems like it's like fairly distributed between them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But how awkward?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like what a weird like it was just very strange for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, yeah, I mean, it's kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very weird because it's like what you were saying, they don't know him, you know, supposedly it's like the character I think is I'm Jack he does it know them either and so yeah it's like they kind of feel like one of them it's like either a wild use chase right for the crew or the other guys going to get like screwed over by all of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, taking what's rightfully quote unquote has, you know, exactly because I wouldn't want to trust this guy on board with me or anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, this scene is awkward, but I think it's awkward for a reason.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's that awkwardness of this guy interrupting our celebration.

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[SPEAKER_02]: to tell us about a damn boat ship that's out in the middle of the ocean while I'm trying to celebrate with my teammates.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, look, we're on a successful job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And here comes this moron and saying, hey, look, I got this ship out of that, I want to, I want to hire you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, no dude, go away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, they can't say that because they also need the money too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody has their own situations.

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[SPEAKER_02]: like you have one person that wants like wants to rebuild his car or wants the car which would you know I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody else is getting married like they all have something at stake which this would completely change their lives but also they're like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: While he while Jack is offering such a great opportunity, they're also like ragging on him and making fun of him like, oh, you filled a boat in the ocean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, good job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Goff-clap.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I think this scene really works and then you finally get them on board and San Toes is the one who is actually obsessed with the car, I've trying to get the car because it's actually talking, we're thinking that he's talking to a, this is like later on in the film where we're thinking he's talking to his girlfriend in the picture, but it's actually a car.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But he's the one who wants the card, but I'd like this whole entire deal where you have him listening to Bud Bean, just rocking out with the heavy metal music, and then you have the awkward guy who went to rubs everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He wants to be on the boat, but yet he gets seasick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and I get the fact it's for a humor, but if you're a guy who saw this boat, and you know your seasick, why would you go out there in the ocean in the first place?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I feel like that's a ploy that this little devil boy is using to make it seem like he's not a threat to them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like they're definitely over him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've got their sea legs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to be a problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As they'll find out, they're he's their biggest problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys almost running into the ship, which we just glazed over how the ship goes invisible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they can't see it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we almost lose one of the guy Dodge, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He gets like thrown over, because they have to like floor and reverse, which I thought was a fun scene, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you're like, is this a real ship?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it not what's going on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we have the cold open, but it's like, we have an audience hearing out, you know, yeah exactly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, we as an audience.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like sleepy hollow for instance, everybody else in the small towns have seen the headless worst men.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But we are also the townspeople in the sense who's watching this movie and we've seen this happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've seen this ship actually does exist, but these characters, they haven't seen this ship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They think it's just a mythological thing that this guy is making up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I love how it's actually storming out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Santerus is rocking out to Meddin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then you also have

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[SPEAKER_02]: and looking at the scanner and he calls calls up Murphy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He looked, I found something on the scanner, Murphy comes up there, he gets, what's up?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I seen something on the scanner, and there's something there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you sure that there's something there?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because yeah, there's something there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then all of a sudden, you see the massive size ship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you realize how big that ship actually is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And how closely were actually to actually hitting it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I mean also it's almost like an urban legend because the ship just disappeared right in the 60s and there's lore of and Murphy seems to know every like he's run a book for dummies on the ship because he knows every little fact throughout and like surprise that none of the other see worthy crew like they've never heard of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: this disappearing ship, but as we'll find out, he just knows every little thing about it and it's kind of interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hi, my question is this though, if you've been traveling with Murphy all this time, when they already know that he knows about ships,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's like being a friend with somebody who has like a favorite film or a favorite actor or something like that, like they would be spouting out facts all the time, like in conversation that have nothing to do with this ship, he's probably like, oh, by the way, did you know that this and this is like that seven degrees of Kevin Bacon, but with this ghost ship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, I can see him like in his own private quarters where he just has a book on ships and ghost ships and mythology.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That nobody, like in a spare time, somebody else is driving the ship, driving the tugboat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And here he is, reading a book on anthropological ships.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See, that would have been a really good scene that if we went into his little lodging area and he did have a shelf full of ship books in seven.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He slammed it on the table to show people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that would have been a little more cohesive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, it's funny with this film.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you can't, you can't like ask too many questions with like, we'll know this or why are they spitting out these facts

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're absolutely right on that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just that he makes it look like he's the smartest person on the boat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, everybody's like, oh, look, he knows a lot of those ships.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this would just be no one could actually find the ship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, look, Murphy knows some stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, but yeah, I definitely understand where you're coming from with that, but just to have the little bit cohesiveness and stuff like that and I understand that we're just here for the journey, this is the other crew members are also here for the journey and not knowing anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we actually feel like that we're part of that crew that doesn't know anything and we're learning from Murphy though, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you can have your take and eat it too in a sense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, okay, I can overlook this unconhesive thing and act like that I'm just going in for the tour of Murphy and just learning from him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's also an interesting way I'm actually looking at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So now use the radio Murphy attempts to contact the nearby ships as a carry on Santos notice the large object ahead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He quickly reserves to talk about before slamming into the object.

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[SPEAKER_02]: After a close inspection, they find a notion liner.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They discover the ship is the Antanona Graza, which was believed to be lost at sea when they prepared to tow it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They discover it contains a large quantity of gold, strange things begin to happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Apps claims to have seen a little girl on the stairwell, dodge finds a digital watch on the bridge, and grayer claims to have a woman singing introducing them throughout the ship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Apps in Fairman discovered the corpses of another savage crew.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This they decide to leave the ship but take the gold.

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[SPEAKER_02]: but in a visible force opens a gas valve in the engine room in the yard where your flows as the engine started killing stentos and leaving the other stranded.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's talk about the fact that now the baron board this ship and you know we just we discovered the Antonia Graza and they are actually deciding hey look we're going to try and tow this ship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: because they've done it before, so it can work at any situation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, your boat is so small.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this ship is so massive in size.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the work of the job is just going to need a bigger boat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like in my blonde brand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, the math isn't really math thing right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How are you going to get it going?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I feel like it's just going to break kind of in half after all of like it's so rusted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was doing some research, and it's like a miniature, and it just looks, it looks incredible, and then you know, they also did some like a CGI, you know, stuff to building it and everything, and then the sets, I just love set pictures are awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when it's in its modern time, it's so gross and wet, like everything's like, I feel like I would be clammy and everything would smell like, you know, like the oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy oldy old

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I love seeing the broken pieces of this vessel, and there's mystery element of what happened because

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[SPEAKER_02]: We already know what happened.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like how they're trying to figure it out, but also like how you have.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you actually have Murphy goes because we're stepping because you can fall through because it's so rusted, but you're actually right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can feel the texture of everything that you're touching the point where I need sure max just to cover my hand and everything I see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just I love the details.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the texture of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love just all the colors just the depth of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just feels like a real even though we were I don't think we're ever on a ship in this film.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was all like set, but it feels it has that weight and I love it when films use actual sets and build actual sets because there's something there's a weight and a feel that like I feel bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's magical.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then also, it's reflective in the actual actors, like having something to play off of, you know, like you, I don't want to get this goop on me kind of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just as a human, let alone as, you know, being a character in that fun little universe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just love it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it too, but you're right, though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd rather have something that I can see in touch, versus trying to, you know, see you guys, I like some see you guys, like I said.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But if I was an actor, I would like the visual touch or something and seeing what I actually doing, versus interacting with something invisible and not knowing what the final product is gonna be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder what my, if I'm actually delivering the right performance from this, because I'm not seeing what I'm touching.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not seeing how atmospheric

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[SPEAKER_02]: this whole entire ship is, but with doing the miniatures and doing the set pieces, you're actually touching things, you're actually looking at how massive this set is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're looking at certain things and you're like, okay, I can actually do something with this, maybe some improvisation, maybe I can actually add something to the scene, it's hard to do that with a green screen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think they do event has a job of laying everything down and also to show in the past of something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very, very haunted feeling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, to your point about being able to react to like the having of like a green screen and not being able to see what's around you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually thought that the the actor Isaiah was Washington, who plays Greer when we're doing the like when in the ballroom, when everything is going back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that scene and they did that with green screen and I thought his reactions were so honest and pure and just hot choices.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that he did a fantastic job with that because I was watching some behind the scenes stuff and he's just actually doing those, I'm a dancer so I love a physical actor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love choreography and he was just hitting those beats and movements and I really felt like

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[SPEAKER_00]: The ballroom and the chandelier, I found everything was just look on his face when that chandelier comes up was fucking yes, yes, and nailed it out of the park for me, he did fantastic not everybody is like him, not everybody can do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: do like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you like that performance by Isaiah, because we're just as shocked as he is to see all these pieces coming together and we're actually seeing a piece of history happening, even though he's being seduced by this woman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In the matter of fact, even before that happens, he's been seduced by her by Francesca and I think I seen a woman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's who also sees the low girl.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She goes, well, I think I've seen a low girl.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then that's when you have the other that's when you have fairman who winds up saying, you saw a low girl.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then that's when if I haven't seen this for the first time, I would be like, okay, so he's just worried about me seeing this and knowing who he is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, red flags are going up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: because of the fact of, way, you can actually see the dead when you're not supposed to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm about to be, I'm about to be made.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I do like the fact that this has a rewatchability.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you have this, you already seen it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It has a rewatchability to go back and say, I missed a few things and it actually enhances the experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like every time I rewatch this film, I kind of see something new or pick up on, you know, something new, I think it's a really great film, I mean, it's not 100% perfect for me, but I think, I don't know, I don't know why people like hate on it so much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's shocking, it's shocking, I think it's a lot that they can actually go with and make this movie in modern daytime, you know, in sense, but to enhance the storyline a little bit, but other than that though, I think it's actually a.

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[SPEAKER_02]: set up is really good, when I'm actually eating my popcorn stuff in my face with popcorn and just having a good time with it all over again, even though I'm actually seeing this and trying to strip away the nostalgia and it's just so hard for me to be able to do that with these scenes because of how good and well balanced and how they place each actor in these scenes and these situations and they're playing off of it and I'm just not much invested as I was

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[SPEAKER_02]: whenever they find the gold and they're like, oh, we can split this, this is what many ways.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they try to get it and then before they find the rats and then they want to find the gold and then they try to take it off the ship and that's when things start going around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, which is so funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, can we go back to the rats for a minute?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or think the cutest, fluffy, as cleanest, the rats that you have ever seen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm always shocked to see them because I figure they're going to be all like, knorled up or, you know, just like a little bit of the jellers, put something on them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but they're just so perfect, they're fluffy and healthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're not, they're not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, in my mind, I'm like, how are their rats here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Another thing don't ask questions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't ask them any questions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think we'll be more haunting if you actually had them maybe having some that witness to them for being in that great first along.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, where is this should been?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How are their rats?

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[SPEAKER_00]: On this ship, you know, to be like, I don't know if we needed anything in there, but I guess for some reason we needed something like as the right arm trying to think like we needed a reason for them to notice these crates of gold right because like we couldn't just put them in the car.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's also the lightest gold ever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're a goal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's like yellow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we should have like put a little bit more weight into that, you know, or acting with the gold.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like they should have at least had dust on them and everything and they have to just clean the dust off of it and you see pillars of dust and then there's the gold.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, minor level issues, but it's just like, it's always a little silly when I look at them, you know, when that thing comes up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then I also like how that's why that's happening to swim pool because when we're, uh, you have

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where this phone pull is because it's dried up right now, but we as an audience don't know the rest of the story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I like the fact that they hid that from us, like, well, is that leftover from the other people because we see a digital watch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And did those people kill each other and.

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[SPEAKER_02]: because they had cabin fever and because they don't maybe their ship also got blown up or something while trying to move this and did they actually it has like you know the movie to think it kind of has that kind of deal to it where I'm thinking they pulled all that that whole time crew pretty much through each other crazy to the point where they had killed each other so that's where my mind was going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, we're definitely getting these like little bread crumbs of like what happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because we're not sure what time period because we saw in the beginning that there was some kind of massacre that happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we're kind of debating, oh, is this, you know, did this happen a modern day with what you were saying with the watch or is this in the past?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah,

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[SPEAKER_00]: laying the stage for what happened and gives us like lumps into like, oh, that's like kind of weird work, you know, like, you know, I, I don't think most people are shooting like guns into the pool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But the thing that found that was really interesting though, while they're moving this, the swim pools trying is they're filling up with blood and then you see the bodies from the ghost there to I had goosebumps with that I thought that was an interesting way of actually saying just because we don't see something supernatural doesn't mean that there's nothing there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I feel like I loved how they had the ghost almost kind of hinting towards their own story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the thought of ghost being trapped in their final moments or in their own loops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like how you get stuck, let's say like you get stuck in a loop of like, you know, how you died or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love that we get little images of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, okay, can I pose a question to you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're mentioning, like, oh, was this Kevin fever?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you feel as a viewer that like, it's still up in the air, if there's something supernatural happening?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, as you when you're watching it, or do you find that like, you definitely know this is haunting?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there is no question about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like there's no question that this is haunting because we see the bodies fell up with with the bodies and stuff like that with the swam pool with the light, but also too, we see that there's a watch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that tells me this little twerp probably hired another crew to do the same shit that this other person did that they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's just him

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what I was thinking though, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, this guy had it in hard at work and getting, oh, probably he hangs out the same spot on every Monday and it's like, interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And just listening to people's comments, hey, good, what's the money?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, I have this, this is the step out of the ocean.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Look, I got pictures.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I could just imagine Barton and Harry fucking goes again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, I could just see bartender like every go every Monday, this guy, I could just see him on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, come here from there's no ship every single day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No one wants to be this guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is what I'm thinking though, but I just think like every Monday, this guy comes into the same bar and so it's to be higher these people and

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[SPEAKER_02]: winds up doing they want to be trapped on the on the ship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They die.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He puts the watch in something and that's how that happened.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm thinking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking he already hired another crew that crew died.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He took those souls.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now he's ready to take down these.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, at this point, I don't know if I know like as a viewer, if I know anything about him,

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of being the fair man, you know, getting all these souls for let's say, like, say, tin, I think he's terrible at his job because right, he's was to get all of these souls on the ship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, I always kind of question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, did he need this crew to save this ship from sinking?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or is that another play?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it fine?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: ability to disrupt, you know, and our universe, like the ship, and moving different things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's all him, like setting up these traps and also, I mean, as a bigger thought to, it kind of feels like the seven deadly sins kind of, you know, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: all that we're hitting all of these things and it's like Murphy has a drinking problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's being seduced by alcohol, you know, Greer is about to get married.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's ready for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's having babies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's having some second thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, who wouldn't?

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's gorgeous.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give you a pass.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he got the, he got the shunning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was ugly the whole time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was actually sober, which is actually even bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, she's like so intoxicating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't totally understand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She has this like wonderful charisma to her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's interesting, I think you probably know too from during research, the actress, she's actually Italian, and she didn't speak a word of English, and so they had to get an interpreter on set for the director to be able to give her notes and like help direct her scenes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And why she doesn't have

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[SPEAKER_00]: any dialogue other than in Italian.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think her part was going to be a bit bigger or she would have had more dialogue with the different characters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm guessing that's kind of what was hinted what I saw.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It works so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like her being mysterious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she's so gorgeous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love her dress.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love everything about her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love when we have that scene later on that we'll go into later, which is like that's like kind of my second best scene is where we get the whole flashback from Katie's perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even more so of like more than what she saw.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, but what do you think about the gas being turned on by a ghostly being and I'm first I'm like I wish they would actually done a little bit more on that because I'm like is that firm and trying to collect the souls now going back after we'll be watching it is he collecting these souls what's going on here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I would love to see a lot more into it is he orchestrating this because we know all these other ghosts are innocent bystanders because we see them floating up so it's like he's the only being on this ship that is controlling the narrative.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's kind of where I felt like it was just like a hurry up and let's get going to move the plot because like we couldn't give them an exit, you know, we're like we had to get rid of that it's kind of like in other movies is like we got to get rid of the car, you know, like how do we get rid of this other ship that they could just literally go and leave because at a certain point it's like as a human, you would want to save your life more than like dealing with the goal because you can always get more money, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unless you're stuck on a ship and you've got to be a ghost forever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: kind of like saying, okay, guys, well, but we're about 30 minutes in, there's no dead bodies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We take his ghost here, look, we need to make this time slot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's go ahead, let's get someone killed right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they won't have luck about anything mentioned.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So what scape is on whenever it comes down to pope blowing up, now they're stranded on this ship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I definitely like where they went with it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just me questioning one little tiny thing that I can actually have more, but it's

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and also it was kind of like

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[SPEAKER_00]: what qualified Santos to be to get the mark?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, was there something like, did he, like, I don't remember going into his backstory?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he seemed like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he was kind of like a kind of a jerky guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, maybe like, I wouldn't want it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I would want to hang out with him, but I was kind of a little confused like how his soul got trapped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or if it did, I don't know, because it seems like it was a jack.

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of taking over his persona, his look to kind of mess with Murphy later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: like a nightmare and I'll just be kind of live.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't even know, maybe he's stuck, maybe he's still out in the ocean, his soul stuck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe he went to, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So now they attempt to repair the Anatonia Graza and steal it back to the land.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Rare encounters Francesca at the singer, her who reduces him, and then leads him off a parasite to his death.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Captain Murphy, after entering the captain's cabin, finds the ghost of the, in the Tonya Graza's captain who explains that covered the gold from the Asingin, Laura Ele, along with the assault with the assault survivor, he shows Murphy a picture of the survivor who he recognizes, he rushes out to rest the crew, but a supernatural force causes him to see everyone who meet

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[SPEAKER_02]: mad and lock him in the drain fish tank.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, we were talking about how much we like the whole tired thing of the seduction of abs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not out of an abs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I'm talking about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Francisco.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we see her lowering him in and I like this idea this thing where he's first undoing her breast a little bit and he's in then not cheating if she's a ghost and then

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's gone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, wow, she manipulated the whole entire thing, but I also like the look of her afterwards, because it's not like a skeleton because you're thinking, like, it's going to be a skeleton face or something, but no, it's just a look.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I like the little bit of a soulness with it, rather than having back the cave skeleton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was definitely, I mean, like, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that's what they were going for, but it reads, it always was like a little bit silly for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It reminded me of, oh gosh, is it house on haunted hell?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, maybe, yes, but like that kind of like, all of a sudden scare, I thought it was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like to make up and then how she was aged, she was older, she was old the whole time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But also another thing though in a stage of that, like two was like when she's watching him from a distance because remember he sees the cigarette and when it's seen, he's walking and he's like, that sounds, doesn't it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: puts it back down, locks away, but if you're walking away, you see Francesca over there looking at you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I love that thing of the ghost looking at someone that's living is like, I got you now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know what you're after.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like that scene.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I like the captain scene.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely like them explaining that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And not showing us who the person is in the picture to give us a little bit of a mystery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I thought it was so great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's so chilling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And...

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, with the captain of the ship, you just like, I don't know, like my heart goes out to him because it's like you always think like the captain is kind of like the father of the ship and he goes down with the ship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just thought that that was so creepy and eerie the way that they had him kind of like, just ghostly come in and then explaining things but he's like explaining it in a towel again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're having this kind of like, you know, dialogue back and forth about what was going on and he shows him, you know, the, what do you call it like the ledger for the ship and they go into the history about what happened he's like this, you know, this guy's your guy watch out and I've seen him, you know, around you guys like the captain's been keeping an eye on them, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: while they're there, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If it feels like the ghosts are watching everything, but maybe Jack is the one who's like, I feel like he's the evil force into like actively killing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: this whole crew, you know, like the one who are alive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's my feeling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can see that to be honest with you, because I'm thinking the same thing here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking that Jack is doing this whole entire thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's one who's orchestrating it, like I said before.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, we'll get this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't notice this in a state.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you did too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I know it's the fact that you don't see him to the whole entire movie up until the very end.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's very suspect point where a mystery element, if you're, if you're the first time you were and you don't realize it that he's not in the whole entire time and you're like, oh, who is it or anything?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're a big shot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But for us, we're like, and I started noticing I'm like, he hasn't been in this whole entire movie since the first guy got blown up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I always kind of forget about him as like because it's so like he wants to be so unassuming he wants people not to like worry about him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I feel like they try to make him a little bit forgetful because he's just like this guy who's excited about the treasure excited about like getting the ship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know and so as the viewer it's kind of like I almost forget a little bit because I'm worried about the crew now and they're kind of my first concern like what's going on and then like the whole thing about you know like what's going on with the little girl Katie what's underlining like what's happening because at first it's like in the beginning with that whole

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was planned in a way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

55:56.020 --> 56:05.820
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it just seemed like it was an accident and now we're getting vibes with the pool shooting with other crew going missing that there's something like

56:06.138 --> 56:35.031
[SPEAKER_00]: you know evil lurking around the corner that there's some entity because we see the little girl it's almost like she's like trying to help them in a way like she pops up a little bit and then there's moments where she does reach out and help try to help apps or worn apps you know and like right before Santos gets said she's like yelling off of the the ship you know don't

56:35.011 --> 56:37.996
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, is that Jack?

56:38.016 --> 56:41.282
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you, and did we get answers or is that kind of...

56:41.302 --> 56:43.266
[SPEAKER_00]: It happens way too fast.

56:43.666 --> 56:43.987
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

56:44.007 --> 56:46.872
[SPEAKER_02]: You always take a shout-of-wee figure, and that's it.

56:47.573 --> 56:49.797
[SPEAKER_02]: But it makes sense for the beach.

56:50.114 --> 57:19.108
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, I feel like he's like the puppet master behind the scenes, pulling all of the strings because it feels like other than maybe, you know, there's a moment where French, she can kill like, but like people step into that it's not like an action that she's she's not pushing she didn't push him over, you know, and kill them it was his choice and that's the thing to it's like these people are sinning and then they go to him.

57:19.088 --> 57:20.346
[SPEAKER_00]: and get Mark to right.

57:20.406 --> 57:21.319
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

57:21.535 --> 57:23.877
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, he's about it.

57:23.917 --> 57:25.999
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a foreman for the devil.

57:26.019 --> 57:30.503
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, probably, or, you know, yeah, yeah, he's a fair man.

57:32.185 --> 57:34.126
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what to do.

57:35.027 --> 57:40.412
[SPEAKER_02]: But I do like the fact that this girl, this little girl is actually the innocent one out of everything.

57:41.533 --> 57:51.222
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's helping people rather than they could actually pull on the innocent to be the one that has a plot twist of her doing stuff.

57:51.674 --> 57:56.319
[SPEAKER_02]: But instead, it's her helping them wanting to discover everything that happened.

57:56.619 --> 57:58.801
[SPEAKER_02]: So she can rest and piece stuff.

57:58.821 --> 57:59.642
[SPEAKER_02]: So I like that.

58:00.102 --> 58:01.303
[SPEAKER_02]: I like I definitely like that.

58:01.444 --> 58:05.487
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you're right, Jack is actually the orchestra, the person that pulling all the strings.

58:05.848 --> 58:13.856
[SPEAKER_02]: But I know that when I mentioned the fact that we forget all about him, the characters also forget all about him because nobody even mentioned where's Jack?

58:13.876 --> 58:16.738
[SPEAKER_02]: They're all consumed with what's going on around them.

58:17.259 --> 58:20.382
[SPEAKER_02]: The point where he can disappear and manipulate them

58:21.070 --> 58:34.607
[SPEAKER_02]: into the background and even that one scene where we actually have a Murphy who they lock up because they think he's wacko everything and now he's locked away.

58:35.128 --> 58:40.995
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I liked how they played on that because that all that also feels like the thing all over again.

58:41.376 --> 58:43.939
[SPEAKER_02]: But let's go ahead, let's talk about the next scene though.

58:43.959 --> 58:48.445
[SPEAKER_02]: That's meets Katie who feels what happened on the

58:48.560 --> 58:55.829
[SPEAKER_02]: that, uh, laureally, uh, convinced the crew of the Gaza to murder the passengers and order the claim the goal for themselves.

58:56.249 --> 59:04.179
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the ship's officers turned on the rest of the crew and killed them all, only to be killed himself, by Francesca, another man denjoined for him.

59:04.239 --> 59:13.470
[SPEAKER_02]: Princess, got in and embraced and walked away as, as a large hook, swung in our face, killing her, the man has revealed as Jack Fairman.

59:13.450 --> 59:16.415
[SPEAKER_02]: who was actually a demonic spirit who masterminded the master.

59:16.815 --> 59:20.681
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's talk about that one scene because I think there's a lot happening here.

59:21.322 --> 59:27.372
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love the plot twist of this, even though we know it, but I love how the music is playing as we're seeing this happen.

59:27.973 --> 59:35.745
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're seeing that accident happen all over again, but we're also seeing 80, actually a survivor, was being taken by the mob.

59:35.725 --> 59:45.608
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're seeing people being executed in this women pool, which you know, we know why there's a bunch of bodies being left over there, we see her going through different rooms.

59:46.450 --> 59:50.259
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, apps actually saw her body hung being hung.

59:50.319 --> 59:52.705
[SPEAKER_02]: And we actually thought well, maybe somebody.

59:53.123 --> 59:55.029
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe she hung herself or something.

59:55.130 --> 59:57.558
[SPEAKER_02]: That was my first initial thought with suicide.

59:57.819 --> 01:00:02.614
[SPEAKER_02]: But once you actually seen it, it's like, oh, they hung her after witnessing everything.

01:00:02.936 --> 01:00:03.919
[SPEAKER_02]: And they can't have witnesses.

01:00:04.200 --> 01:00:06.407
[SPEAKER_02]: This whole thing was about the goal.

01:00:06.455 --> 01:00:18.777
[SPEAKER_02]: But what's the thing all about the whole mob thing and everybody backstabbing each other and and it's and I hear something like how Francesa comes in there this has like dark night vibes with he ledger where everybody's backstabbing each other.

01:00:18.818 --> 01:00:26.792
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Francesa thinks that she's going to get away with it, but instead she winds up getting killed by jack.

01:00:27.464 --> 01:00:49.354
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, again, it's like one of those perfectly choreographed sequences, I love how there wasn't a line of dialogue, but you know exactly what's happening, you know, we get this perfect view of how things just imploded on.

01:00:49.334 --> 01:01:05.571
[SPEAKER_00]: themselves and you know just everybody I mean it's like first we see that everybody was poisoned you know and they're having reactions to that and while people are dancing they don't even notice that others you know it's like that's how they get rid of half of the people

01:01:05.551 --> 01:01:27.610
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like they, you know, they kill all of the chefs, you know, in the kitchen and then they poison everybody and they pretend to be these other crew members and then we've got the whole thing with the dancing and the wire, you know, that we saw before, but we see it in a different, you know, we see it a little bit of an extended version, you know, and then we get to see.

01:01:27.590 --> 01:01:32.419
[SPEAKER_00]: like it's interesting seeing Katie's reaction to rewatt.

01:01:32.460 --> 01:01:46.527
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like getting second that loop that I was talking about before and I love those moments of sequences and then apps gets she gets to also see everything from like Katie's viewpoint and beyond.

01:01:46.827 --> 01:02:04.060
[SPEAKER_00]: I love how it's like betrayal to betrayal to you know like what you were saying it's like everybody's you know betraying the next person and I thought that that was I did not see the hook coming.

01:02:04.040 --> 01:02:10.573
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, everything happens so fast and seamless and it's so seductive.

01:02:10.593 --> 01:02:16.706
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I feel like I'm in a music video with the song, which I love the song choice.

01:02:16.786 --> 01:02:24.462
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's so killer and, you know, it's so good.

01:02:24.442 --> 01:02:31.596
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just thought that that was such an evil death for her, you know, and it looks so good.

01:02:31.776 --> 01:02:36.165
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's such a great actress to like portray that happening to her.

01:02:36.385 --> 01:02:40.112
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of my favorite, you know, this whole sequence.

01:02:40.132 --> 01:02:42.096
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's so sad to watch.

01:02:42.076 --> 01:03:05.197
[SPEAKER_00]: like I tear up for these certain things because I just feel so bad so much empathy for the innocence, all of these people, because it's like you think about like in the story, it's like they were going to a different country or wherever there's supposed to go and they're family weight, all of this kind of stuff, I don't know, I think past the movie, you know what I mean?

01:03:05.377 --> 01:03:10.682
[SPEAKER_00]: Like in the movie logic of it, but I thought it was so good and I'm glad that you loved it too.

01:03:10.932 --> 01:03:11.533
[SPEAKER_02]: I loved it.

01:03:11.673 --> 01:03:12.875
[SPEAKER_02]: I loved the music with it.

01:03:13.035 --> 01:03:14.457
[SPEAKER_02]: I loved everything within it.

01:03:14.917 --> 01:03:23.869
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it's revealed that it's Jack and she has that look of surprise episodes of like you mother ever you got to be kidding know.

01:03:24.730 --> 01:03:34.864
[SPEAKER_02]: All this is because of him and I also like how he leaves the mark on Francesca as well like an Indian rug rug rug rug kind of way of him doing it.

01:03:35.384 --> 01:03:39.868
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, oh, I'll definitely like how he ends up doing that and it actually bursts into this.

01:03:40.388 --> 01:03:42.010
[SPEAKER_02]: So I like that scene.

01:03:43.031 --> 01:03:44.732
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, then jizz in, right?

01:03:44.752 --> 01:03:47.074
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was an interesting choice.

01:03:47.134 --> 01:03:47.935
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that too.

01:03:47.975 --> 01:03:49.417
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's like hell's fire.

01:03:49.437 --> 01:04:00.026
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, what a dynamic reveal didn't you know, like when I was first watching it didn't see it coming because I just like he just comes off as like kind of a goofy doofus, right?

01:04:00.687 --> 01:04:00.807
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:04:00.827 --> 01:04:04.530
[SPEAKER_00]: And so to see that he's this put together.

01:04:04.510 --> 01:04:28.392
[SPEAKER_00]: you know guy who's the leader of the pack and you know it's all he's doing everything and I feel like he as the characters like also like when he got on board he's like whispering you know he's like the devil on your shoulder whispering you know telling you exactly what you want to hear and that's how everybody you know just the ball rolling and then they're killing everybody exactly.

01:04:28.979 --> 01:04:35.993
[SPEAKER_02]: And so now we have apps then rushes to Murphy only to find him rounded in the new, but it's fish tank, although devastated.

01:04:36.013 --> 01:04:46.114
[SPEAKER_02]: She reduces the firm and I'll learn the salvage team through the Gaza to repair the sinking ship and that the best way to fight him is to sink it.

01:04:46.554 --> 01:04:49.300
[SPEAKER_02]: That's rushes to the bridge to tell Dodge.

01:04:49.769 --> 01:04:58.300
[SPEAKER_02]: They must leave by Jack shows up before he even mentions it to him when Epsets off to find Munder.

01:04:58.901 --> 01:05:18.105
[SPEAKER_02]: Permit Ferman starts questioning Dodge about his feelings for Dodge grows suspicious and unnerved, leading him to shoot Ferman who appears dead, but looks up when Dodge leaves, leaves down below.

01:05:18.085 --> 01:05:20.289
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Monday is actually a question.

01:05:20.309 --> 01:05:24.878
[SPEAKER_02]: Two gears about fixing a lock pump after seeing his remains.

01:05:25.138 --> 01:05:26.240
[SPEAKER_02]: Absets explosive.

01:05:26.601 --> 01:05:30.849
[SPEAKER_02]: This is Dodge shows up saying they should take the gold and run.

01:05:30.889 --> 01:05:34.216
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely refuses, especially questions, Dodge.

01:05:34.777 --> 01:05:35.638
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, even laugh.

01:05:35.819 --> 01:05:36.600
[SPEAKER_02]: Who laughed?

01:05:36.580 --> 01:05:41.706
[SPEAKER_02]: more into the demonic fairmen, revealing the former state.

01:05:42.026 --> 01:05:45.771
[SPEAKER_02]: Fairmen describes himself as a for a sabbisher of soul.

01:05:46.251 --> 01:05:48.814
[SPEAKER_02]: A job he says he earned by a lifetime of things.

01:05:48.835 --> 01:05:56.143
[SPEAKER_02]: Plains that since Katie was a child and never committed to anything, he cannot control her as he does the evil ghost.

01:05:56.544 --> 01:06:01.069
[SPEAKER_02]: So long as the Alana and Tony Agraza remains afloat,

01:06:01.049 --> 01:06:10.310
[SPEAKER_02]: He can use it as a trap and keep management satisfied that needs the explosives and sinks the garage A Katie helps absix escape and sink in the ship.

01:06:10.330 --> 01:06:17.506
[SPEAKER_02]: She has left in the debris as the souls trapped on the ship ascended So we have a lot going on within this one soon.

01:06:17.987 --> 01:06:19.851
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's so much

01:06:19.831 --> 01:06:22.638
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that's pretty bad a little bit a little bit.

01:06:22.658 --> 01:06:34.870
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I wanted to look so so when we see Murphy in the take and we finally see that he has the picture of Jack I'm just kind of like

01:06:34.850 --> 01:06:37.955
[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me, who, who was that supposed to be?

01:06:38.155 --> 01:06:47.670
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, because he's so sunken in, he looks like a totally different person and like how is Murphy in his like scotch goggles?

01:06:47.710 --> 01:06:53.519
[SPEAKER_00]: Like after he's had a couple of drinks, how does he put too into like like that doesn't really look like him.

01:06:53.620 --> 01:07:01.532
[SPEAKER_00]: I was actually surprised that they had him look so sickly and not like himself, but again, maybe that's like to put

01:07:01.512 --> 01:07:10.008
[SPEAKER_00]: People at ease, well, you know, it seems like he tries to, you know, just make it seem like he's not a threat to anybody.

01:07:10.088 --> 01:07:15.738
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe in that time period that would have like put people more in ease, like why is he the only survivor.

01:07:15.778 --> 01:07:18.323
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's like on death store.

01:07:18.995 --> 01:07:35.759
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, make him look like he's the one who survived and you know, but yeah, I think it's just the only thing is like he's an isn't by standard and he's just happy to be in this bad situation and nothing and all the other people didn't really have a lot more stuff dealing with that.

01:07:35.779 --> 01:07:39.444
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but still, I think that it actually worked.

01:07:39.564 --> 01:07:40.345
[SPEAKER_02]: I really like it.

01:07:40.806 --> 01:07:47.415
[SPEAKER_02]: Then what do you think about where now he's manipulating dog.

01:07:47.395 --> 01:07:55.251
[SPEAKER_02]: about his feelings for Eps, and you know, the whole time movie, he doesn't mention anything that about her or her feelings.

01:07:55.311 --> 01:08:00.802
[SPEAKER_02]: There was no connection in all the sudden he decides to burn this whole entire time.

01:08:00.822 --> 01:08:03.447
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm in love with Eps.

01:08:03.798 --> 01:08:20.170
[SPEAKER_00]: That yeah, that's another like little story structure thing that I had a little bit of a quibble with which I know is difficult like when you're dealing with this kind of a huge project and you're you have so many effects all of this stuff, but like when.

01:08:20.150 --> 01:08:21.031
[SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking about it.

01:08:21.071 --> 01:08:25.578
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, they should have hinted towards like, I don't, I don't recall seeing any hints.

01:08:25.638 --> 01:08:31.666
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I would have had them open the door for her or like, give her a little bit of a vibe or something.

01:08:31.706 --> 01:08:38.937
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because like, I just thought, like, guys, like, like, totally out of left field for me.

01:08:39.578 --> 01:08:48.891
[SPEAKER_00]: And then for him to continually, like, almost like pressure her and put and like, you know, like, even she's kind of like, what are you talking

01:08:50.288 --> 01:09:05.833
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so maybe it's like the insanity and then maybe that's like was in his heart or I don't know, and it's kind of like the devil is like, you know, like he's just kind of Creamy like yeah

01:09:05.813 --> 01:09:09.638
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just part of whatever it is he does and it makes people insane.

01:09:09.658 --> 01:09:11.100
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I don't know.

01:09:11.120 --> 01:09:32.867
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, maybe if you have a little bit of that in your heart, then it gets like exposed, you know, like with all these people, like it was like a like murdering, you know what I mean, like all these crew members were like they started killing people, you know at it, you would say nowhere.

01:09:33.067 --> 01:09:48.645
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it was definitely weird for me, but also when Eps is looking for the other crew and he, you know, we see that he gets crushed when he's like the blood comes up the pipe and it's like, oh, no, there he is he's right there.

01:09:49.604 --> 01:09:57.335
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, if he winds up shooting with a shotgun, he winds up shooting dodge with a shotgun, and then he winds up taking on the persona.

01:09:58.157 --> 01:10:02.883
[SPEAKER_02]: And apps is, you know, she's like, well, I love you.

01:10:02.903 --> 01:10:04.366
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to be with you.

01:10:04.386 --> 01:10:16.303
[SPEAKER_02]: And she goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa

01:10:16.283 --> 01:10:17.865
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, no, not you.

01:10:17.985 --> 01:10:19.626
[SPEAKER_02]: And then next thing you know, it is fair.

01:10:19.646 --> 01:10:25.612
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when he does, and he tries to make a deal with her since he couldn't make a deal with Dutch.

01:10:26.393 --> 01:10:31.158
[SPEAKER_02]: And just look, if you go ahead, it just leaves a ship intact.

01:10:31.478 --> 01:10:34.201
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm actually the one who has to take all these holes out.

01:10:34.722 --> 01:10:36.303
[SPEAKER_02]: You can forget about this whole entire thing.

01:10:36.844 --> 01:10:37.965
[SPEAKER_02]: Then she wants to have shooting.

01:10:38.065 --> 01:10:43.911
[SPEAKER_02]: I like how she takes a spare gun and then shoots the

01:10:44.195 --> 01:10:50.841
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is another case in point of him trying to, you know, tempt.

01:10:51.041 --> 01:10:54.024
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like temptation all over the place.

01:10:54.044 --> 01:10:57.647
[SPEAKER_00]: He's trying to tempt her with all let you live.

01:10:57.707 --> 01:11:14.202
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you help me or if you forget about all of your friends who I, you know, I guess murdered, which, in fact, I think if she would have taken that deal, she would have been marked, you know, because like that's an evil thing

01:11:14.182 --> 01:11:19.196
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like a loose loose situation for her.

01:11:19.277 --> 01:11:29.085
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like right because even if she takes a deal like this, how many years would you actually live you know, is that I'll let you live, but you didn't say for how long you like you

01:11:30.010 --> 01:11:31.392
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, loophole.

01:11:31.432 --> 01:11:32.834
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's like, he's like, come on.

01:11:32.894 --> 01:11:35.277
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do this for management.

01:11:35.838 --> 01:11:37.300
[SPEAKER_02]: Manually, so fraught in me.

01:11:38.501 --> 01:11:42.927
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like just a middle guy like who's terrible at his job.

01:11:42.987 --> 01:11:44.629
[SPEAKER_00]: He can't get these freaking ghosts.

01:11:45.070 --> 01:11:50.297
[SPEAKER_00]: He keeps on trying to like, I don't know because apparently there's all of these innocent ghosts.

01:11:50.317 --> 01:11:51.578
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's stuck on this.

01:11:51.658 --> 01:11:52.980
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like the union guy.

01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:53.981
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

01:11:54.062 --> 01:11:56.986
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all he can like he can try to tempt all of these.

01:11:57.526 --> 01:12:13.028
[SPEAKER_00]: Does he have to like keep on bringing people on to the ship to get these ghosted to like change shop sides or something like See that's another thing that like I can't think too much about because it's like there's too many questions then you know

01:12:13.396 --> 01:12:20.607
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree, but I also like how he says he can't use Katie as a way to manipulate her because of her innocence.

01:12:20.647 --> 01:12:22.009
[SPEAKER_02]: Other people who have sins.

01:12:22.029 --> 01:12:28.899
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's feeding off the sins of other people, but also feeding off the sins of the living as well.

01:12:29.400 --> 01:12:34.468
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's this big powerful being, but yet an explosion will kill me.

01:12:34.488 --> 01:12:35.269
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know.

01:12:35.489 --> 01:12:35.890
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

01:12:36.130 --> 01:12:37.833
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, horror movie logic.

01:12:38.053 --> 01:12:41.158
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I want a little bit more of a battle.

01:12:41.358 --> 01:12:41.899
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

01:12:41.959 --> 01:12:49.631
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted a little bit more of a confrontation, maybe like a 10 minute battle scene with them rustling against each other or something.

01:12:49.651 --> 01:13:01.389
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or him like using his telekinesis powers against her and she's got a like, you know, run away from pipes and stuff, what she's not very good at.

01:13:01.409 --> 01:13:02.631
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi.

01:13:02.651 --> 01:13:08.800
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I definitely thought there was going to be a bigger showdown,

01:13:09.050 --> 01:13:13.778
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to talk about that ending, and I think they wanted to make a go ship to probably.

01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:15.341
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I'm down for it.

01:13:15.361 --> 01:13:16.423
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it.

01:13:16.443 --> 01:13:16.683
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

01:13:16.763 --> 01:13:17.645
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm down for that.

01:13:18.166 --> 01:13:23.154
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll just, I'll just go in for the ride.

01:13:23.174 --> 01:13:23.815
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll support it.

01:13:23.856 --> 01:13:24.717
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll put it out.

01:13:24.777 --> 01:13:27.081
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't need some money towards it.

01:13:27.141 --> 01:13:31.108
[SPEAKER_00]: But when that's great, if we got that, oh my god.

01:13:31.426 --> 01:13:32.988
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be down for a kickstarter.

01:13:33.349 --> 01:13:41.440
[SPEAKER_02]: Seriously, but you know, I do like the fact that you have these souls now floating up in floating up in the sky.

01:13:41.480 --> 01:13:43.042
[SPEAKER_02]: There are a piece now.

01:13:43.643 --> 01:13:50.953
[SPEAKER_02]: I love even though it's CGI and we see the breaking in half and then we see it till end of it.

01:13:51.203 --> 01:13:51.784
[SPEAKER_02]: picking up.

01:13:52.044 --> 01:13:56.611
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that home-tired thing of this ship now being broken in half.

01:13:57.132 --> 01:14:01.118
[SPEAKER_02]: And now they can actually live out there about in the church.

01:14:01.138 --> 01:14:05.205
[SPEAKER_00]: So I like, yeah, the ship definitely went boom.

01:14:06.867 --> 01:14:10.613
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, oh, it's finally over now.

01:14:10.762 --> 01:14:17.131
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, and then she's also, Katie helps, Epix escaping the escapes this and gives up.

01:14:17.511 --> 01:14:29.328
[SPEAKER_02]: She's left in the debris of the souls and trapped on the souls, trapped on the ship, and to heaven, drifting on an open sea, Epix is found by a cruise ship and returned to land.

01:14:30.289 --> 01:14:33.293
[SPEAKER_02]: As she is loaded into an ambulance, she sees.

01:14:33.273 --> 01:14:40.352
[SPEAKER_02]: the battered crates of a gold being loaded on the cruise ship, followed by Furman, he clears that Eps and carries on.

01:14:40.392 --> 01:14:42.698
[SPEAKER_02]: She carries out as the ambulance door's closed.

01:14:43.280 --> 01:14:45.245
[SPEAKER_02]: But, but I found that was interesting.

01:14:45.346 --> 01:14:48.835
[SPEAKER_02]: It was all the people that she knew that was carrying the crates.

01:14:50.671 --> 01:15:12.848
[SPEAKER_00]: Also that felt like it felt like there it was almost like I don't know if these were like standings for the crew because they were definitely trying to emulate that it was her crew, but while I was watching it I was like that is not a single main like actor none of them so I don't know if it was something about production.

01:15:12.828 --> 01:15:27.867
[SPEAKER_00]: that they let them go, but it wasn't any of our original actors, but they were definitely trying to give off that vibe, so I don't know if it was like their stunt doubles or what, but yeah, no, that was crazy.

01:15:28.454 --> 01:15:35.264
[SPEAKER_00]: What if I twisted and ending because it's like, oh, here he goes again, up to his stable shit.

01:15:35.284 --> 01:15:37.768
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, and here's the thing, I knew the ending was coming.

01:15:38.189 --> 01:15:41.714
[SPEAKER_02]: But I forgot that she was on one of the crates or something.

01:15:41.754 --> 01:15:44.759
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, and I'm thinking to myself, what if?

01:15:44.899 --> 01:15:46.622
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that it's impossible.

01:15:46.922 --> 01:15:54.133
[SPEAKER_02]: But what if she was actually, maybe the girl, maybe Katie put the gold in that trunk and she's holding on to it.

01:15:54.494 --> 01:15:57.178
[SPEAKER_02]: Loading, but the gold waves are two ways too much.

01:15:57.344 --> 01:15:58.405
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so heavy.

01:15:58.525 --> 01:15:58.966
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:15:59.126 --> 01:15:59.286
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

01:15:59.306 --> 01:16:00.408
[SPEAKER_02]: So that didn't make sense to me.

01:16:00.428 --> 01:16:01.649
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, nah, I'm going to run.

01:16:01.669 --> 01:16:05.174
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know she could get away with like one piece of gold.

01:16:05.254 --> 01:16:05.875
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

01:16:05.895 --> 01:16:07.397
[SPEAKER_00]: Like when do you think about like how heavy?

01:16:07.457 --> 01:16:09.099
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you want to just survive.

01:16:09.159 --> 01:16:09.960
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to live.

01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:12.703
[SPEAKER_00]: You're it's like flier frick at that moment.

01:16:12.784 --> 01:16:15.327
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like survival instincts.

01:16:15.347 --> 01:16:15.567
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

01:16:15.767 --> 01:16:17.449
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think that she would have actually took it.

01:16:17.469 --> 01:16:18.711
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's what took it.

01:16:19.012 --> 01:16:22.502
[SPEAKER_02]: But what if you thought, hey, look, you helped us.

01:16:22.662 --> 01:16:26.452
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to help you get the goal that for a man was actually after.

01:16:26.773 --> 01:16:28.438
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what my logic was.

01:16:28.719 --> 01:16:33.612
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like we need a sequel where we could go into what exactly happened.

01:16:33.963 --> 01:16:38.032
[SPEAKER_00]: and make up our own theories.

01:16:38.213 --> 01:16:40.458
[SPEAKER_02]: But hey, I enjoy this movie still.

01:16:41.199 --> 01:16:44.286
[SPEAKER_02]: I find found things that really enjoyed about this.

01:16:45.288 --> 01:16:48.315
[SPEAKER_02]: And I want to go ahead and ask you, how do you feel about it now?

01:16:48.375 --> 01:16:52.765
[SPEAKER_02]: We broke it down scene by scene, but it's your stripping with nostalgia.

01:16:53.656 --> 01:17:12.714
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, I don't know if I can strip away the nostalgia at all, I'm always going to be a fan of something, even if I go in and put on my glasses and like, you know, trying to look at everything from this perspective of like talking about it more in depth.

01:17:14.476 --> 01:17:19.741
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that it was more apparent that the script needed a little bit more of a tweak.

01:17:19.761 --> 01:17:23.224
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, if you know your history of this film,

01:17:23.204 --> 01:17:29.474
[SPEAKER_00]: uh the the cast and everybody they were attached to a different version of the film.

01:17:29.494 --> 01:17:31.136
[SPEAKER_00]: It was supposed to be more psychological.

01:17:31.156 --> 01:17:37.206
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't supposed to be this uh like horrific of a tail and then it switched.

01:17:37.226 --> 01:17:44.858
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if that came across in anybody's performances or not, but it definitely seemed like

01:17:44.838 --> 01:17:58.096
[SPEAKER_00]: massively massive like rewrites and I feel like it was probably rushed just because like they were having people come out, you know, sets were being made, you know, you're under the gun.

01:17:58.196 --> 01:18:01.300
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a miracle that any film gets made when you think about it.

01:18:01.861 --> 01:18:11.233
[SPEAKER_00]: And anybody who has a lot of opinions like obviously has never made a film because there's so much on the line when you're dealing with this

01:18:11.213 --> 01:18:12.796
[SPEAKER_00]: or any project at all.

01:18:13.256 --> 01:18:21.830
[SPEAKER_00]: But so that for me revisiting it with that kind of in mind, the script needs another tweak.

01:18:22.351 --> 01:18:32.066
[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, I mean, I had such a blast watching it, the effects held up, you know, all of this difference that held up, how about for you?

01:18:33.188 --> 01:18:34.470
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what would you give it on

01:18:35.024 --> 01:18:38.990
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I mean, still, I would say like a in-app or nine.

01:18:39.151 --> 01:18:40.032
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not a perp.

01:18:40.252 --> 01:18:41.274
[SPEAKER_00]: It's unfortunate.

01:18:41.314 --> 01:18:42.075
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know.

01:18:42.416 --> 01:18:43.958
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a super perfect film.

01:18:44.198 --> 01:18:45.220
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a fun watch.

01:18:46.282 --> 01:18:47.063
[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed it.

01:18:47.283 --> 01:18:50.088
[SPEAKER_00]: I watched it before I knew I was doing this with you.

01:18:50.148 --> 01:18:50.869
[SPEAKER_00]: I watched it.

01:18:51.029 --> 01:18:59.783
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what we were doing, the dexter stuff because I felt like because I was seeing the actor on a dexter.

01:18:59.763 --> 01:19:28.268
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was like kind of in the mood and so I kind of that's how it like for the most part that's what leads what horror films I want to revisit with my daughter and so I was kind of in the mood to watch this because you know he's like the star of this film and so yeah so still high for me I don't get why people like hate on it so much I think it is such a perfect

01:19:28.248 --> 01:19:35.326
[SPEAKER_00]: example of how practical effects are so incredible in camera effects, all of this kind of stuff.

01:19:35.407 --> 01:19:36.750
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.

01:19:36.911 --> 01:19:40.380
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the people who worked on it should be so proud.

01:19:40.480 --> 01:19:44.029
[SPEAKER_00]: And I love, you know, it's part of that, um,

01:19:44.009 --> 01:20:02.784
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like Zeminkas and other people there were kind of trying to remake the castle films and stuff and this was one of the original films because they were trying to do I think once they got it going because they did house on 100 hell remake you know and then they did 13 ghosts.

01:20:02.924 --> 01:20:04.126
[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed both of them.

01:20:04.146 --> 01:20:06.270
[SPEAKER_00]: I still enjoyed 13 ghosts.

01:20:06.706 --> 01:20:08.588
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know why I love it.

01:20:08.668 --> 01:20:09.590
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it so much.

01:20:09.670 --> 01:20:11.993
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why people like crop on those films so much.

01:20:12.653 --> 01:20:14.055
[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe my taste is off.

01:20:14.195 --> 01:20:14.656
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:20:15.137 --> 01:20:17.339
[SPEAKER_00]: But I really love effects heavy films.

01:20:17.480 --> 01:20:24.348
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe like the audience who is watching it and giving their opinions aren't in the horror aren't into practical effects.

01:20:24.609 --> 01:20:27.232
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but it's so good.

01:20:27.272 --> 01:20:28.974
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like perfection for me.

01:20:29.615 --> 01:20:30.977
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, I love practical effects.

01:20:31.137 --> 01:20:33.760
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just going to go on ahead and give you my rating and everything.

01:20:33.908 --> 01:20:35.250
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, please.

01:20:35.550 --> 01:20:36.792
[SPEAKER_02]: So, okay.

01:20:36.812 --> 01:20:40.037
[SPEAKER_02]: So I know I gave this a 7.5 and thousands of dollars.

01:20:40.057 --> 01:20:42.861
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm given this in eight because I really enjoyed this.

01:20:43.642 --> 01:20:46.886
[SPEAKER_02]: It's hard for me to take this and look at it in a more than a day.

01:20:47.207 --> 01:20:49.070
[SPEAKER_02]: I tried stripping away the nostalgia of it.

01:20:49.570 --> 01:20:51.132
[SPEAKER_02]: I cannot strip away the nostalgia of it.

01:20:51.353 --> 01:20:54.637
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm still hooked line and sinker into this film.

01:20:54.938 --> 01:20:57.441
[SPEAKER_02]: The production of it is just fantastic.

01:20:57.822 --> 01:21:03.510
[SPEAKER_02]: The set pieces of fantastic,

01:21:03.490 --> 01:21:28.063
[SPEAKER_02]: The originality behind it is even better to me, and it's still as a little extra flavor to it later on when you will rewatch it again and maybe find some stuff that you might have missed before and your questioning certain things it's okay to question certain things, but I don't like to actually tear things apart, where I'm not enjoying it and so I find myself enjoying this film of a deadly watch this again, and I think it's a really good thing to do with it, and it's a really good thing to do with it, and it's a really good thing to do with it, and it's a really good thing to do with it, and it's a really good thing to do with it, and it's a really good thing to do with it, and it's a really good thing to do with it, and it's a really good thing to do with it, and it's a really good thing to do with it, and it's a really good thing to do with it, and it's a really good thing to do with it, and it

01:21:28.043 --> 01:21:51.823
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm

01:21:52.225 --> 01:22:06.808
[SPEAKER_02]: This is, particularly my first time doing that, it's not that bad kind of movie reviews, but I have to say this movie's fantastic and I can't find anything really negatively a bad about this film.

01:22:07.126 --> 01:22:07.727
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:22:08.528 --> 01:22:09.769
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I totally agree.

01:22:09.849 --> 01:22:21.362
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm so glad that we're doing kind of a love letter to go ship because I feel like it gets like, I mean, I feel like there's a lot of fans out there, but I don't know.

01:22:21.462 --> 01:22:32.014
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we need to go out there and help the ratings a little bit more because I know when I'm going through different movies on Netflix or Prime or something like that.

01:22:32.134 --> 01:22:35.698
[SPEAKER_00]: If I see a low score, I'm probably not going to like check it out.

01:22:35.678 --> 01:22:45.329
[SPEAKER_00]: But this one so deserves a watch I agree, you know, I even, I mean, these are just like minor little tweaks.

01:22:45.349 --> 01:23:02.327
[SPEAKER_00]: I also it's like, I don't even want to say it's the script's fault because like sometimes things get edited, you know, like maybe whole scenes were edited out and it gets a little track, you know, like it's not always anyone like anyone thing, I mean, you know, with like film.

01:23:02.645 --> 01:23:08.363
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a collaborative medium and so I don't know.

01:23:08.764 --> 01:23:09.446
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the film.

01:23:10.149 --> 01:23:10.851
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's great.

01:23:10.931 --> 01:23:11.974
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it looks great.

01:23:12.556 --> 01:23:15.405
[SPEAKER_00]: I like the rock music.

01:23:16.010 --> 01:23:17.652
[SPEAKER_00]: that comes out of nowhere.

01:23:17.792 --> 01:23:18.814
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it kills.

01:23:19.775 --> 01:23:29.148
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it totally deserves when somebody says, like, oh, it's like the best opening segment or it's the best of this or that.

01:23:29.688 --> 01:23:39.301
[SPEAKER_02]: I have that on my top whenever I did best opening scenes of all time on my podcast, I put that as I forgot what number it was, but that's actually it's so great.

01:23:39.322 --> 01:23:44.869
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I can't I'm like trying to think if there's anything else that compares because this is so

01:23:44.849 --> 01:23:49.496
[SPEAKER_00]: 180, you know, because it's like you think you're getting this like kind of romance.

01:23:49.556 --> 01:23:57.629
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the little girl, you know, she's bored and stuff and then and then bam things are about to get weird.

01:23:58.150 --> 01:23:59.592
[SPEAKER_02]: I definitely love that scrabble piece.

01:23:59.612 --> 01:24:03.178
[SPEAKER_02]: If I had to get a prop from this, it probably be that scrabble piece.

01:24:04.137 --> 01:24:06.280
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm interesting.

01:24:06.300 --> 01:24:08.883
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know what I would want.

01:24:09.604 --> 01:24:17.233
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably one of the like puppet of the people getting like cut and half from the wires or maybe the wire just the wire.

01:24:17.774 --> 01:24:18.695
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a bloody wire.

01:24:18.835 --> 01:24:19.116
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:24:19.336 --> 01:24:20.097
[SPEAKER_00]: Anything.

01:24:20.137 --> 01:24:21.078
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll take anything.

01:24:21.178 --> 01:24:22.320
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the film so much.

01:24:22.880 --> 01:24:23.221
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

01:24:23.561 --> 01:24:24.222
[SPEAKER_02]: Well.

01:24:24.202 --> 01:24:25.944
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for joining me, Anastasia.

01:24:25.964 --> 01:24:27.226
[SPEAKER_02]: This has been a real pleasure.

01:24:27.407 --> 01:24:29.489
[SPEAKER_02]: I have can't wait for us to be able to do the guys.

01:24:29.890 --> 01:24:31.032
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope that you guys enjoy this.

01:24:31.372 --> 01:24:33.335
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, that's what you think of, Ghostship.

01:24:33.395 --> 01:24:34.256
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you give it?

01:24:34.557 --> 01:24:38.803
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I know I'm going to go on later on and help this movie out.

01:24:38.823 --> 01:24:41.907
[SPEAKER_02]: So I would like to know if we both would like to know what your score would be.

01:24:42.140 --> 01:24:45.264
[SPEAKER_02]: Southically and also stripping with the Southern hit your shows.

01:24:46.305 --> 01:24:50.970
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, two don't forget to go over to Spotify, give me a chance of five star review if you.

01:24:51.591 --> 01:24:53.833
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and always in the next time, guys, have a great safe day.

01:24:53.913 --> 01:24:55.035
[SPEAKER_02]: Cause you guys are next.

01:24:55.055 --> 01:24:56.676
[SPEAKER_02]: I, guys, thank you, guys.

01:24:56.696 --> 01:24:57.297
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

01:24:57.317 --> 01:25:09.431
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, welcome.

01:25:09.451 --> 01:25:09.531
[UNKNOWN]: Bye.