Dexter Resurrection 1x6 Cats & Mouse Review

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[SPEAKER_01]: And hello, movie lovers and welcome to show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So today I actually have Anastasia with Elfman Hill with me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have Jason Pitzwood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're here to break down Decks of Resurrection Episode Six.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cats and Mouse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's break this up so down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to have them both here today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And hey guys, welcome back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do appreciate you guys taking the time of year after noon to talk about Decks of Rep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's six cats and Mouse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Happy to be here, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Happy to have you back as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what I was going to say was I was not expecting them to kill off the other drivers mother so quickly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, yeah, I just wanted to be remembered for who I am and be with everybody that knew me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the next thing you know it, she dies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now you were having to go through a whole entire funeral wake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Harrison's there with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I like that moment of like, OK, I'm going to be there for my dad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he wants in the first lecture was going to wear a hoodie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that was like a little fun comical element to it that that was not expecting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dictionary like, hey, you want wish I were.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is a hoodie OK, no dad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not OK.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not supposed to wear that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I like the little bit of the dark humor with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I also liked how he spoke.

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[SPEAKER_01]: about the mother, even though we didn't know her that well, and she's like, well, she just wanted to be there for everybody gathered around her talking about the memories.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the first thing is that because they're all going to be said, and they're all happy and joyful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I like that little bit of moment, those moments with with the family and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What did you guys think of the opening?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I thought it would happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead, anesthesia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just going to say, yeah, I thought it was, you know, it kind of showed how out of touch texture can be sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm kind of thinking that it's okay to show up a week with a hoodie and like in a hoodie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, it was black, but that was a funny moment, but it also kind of shows sometimes just as smart as he is, how out of touch he is sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: with like emotions and feelings and empathy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I like Dexter being our Harrison being the one there for him and saying, you know, kind of helping him through that how to act a little bit normal in that situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought that was pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I feel like we kind of

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[SPEAKER_02]: We kind of jumped ahead of, like with Harrison and Dexter, their relationship, like it feels like they just fell right back into place, you know, like a kind of a normal father-son dynamic, you know, and kind of like asking for advice and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it feels like their rift is, it's mending.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be able to like work together well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, kind of out of the blue that the mother,

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[SPEAKER_02]: passes away because she was such a like a solid character that we're going to have more of her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But what about that cat collection that she has and how I thought that the cat that dexter picked

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[SPEAKER_02]: to keep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was my favorite out of all of the cats.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, I liked those types of things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like sixties, cats, and I actually want to get my own.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's so cute.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But he kind of reminded me of like an archvillin, like holding, you know, the cat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he was like, you know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was very, something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, he's very awkward with it though, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He picked out the biggest one inside the whole entire wake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And everybody has these little small ones.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They can use like, well, if that's a dog, it would have bit me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he picks it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what to say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he looks at the table.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, our cooking is very nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoy her cooking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's one thing I'm going to miss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and then he winds up quoting with the mother said and then people got teary died of with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was able to break certain barriers with his own or awkwardness to be able to be related, be make it relatable for them for someone who lost somebody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I like how he actually takes his hand and basically acts like he had like a little bit of a tear and kind of wipe it away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was mimicking how like a normal person would react when they lost somebody, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cause he saw the granddaughter like shed a little tear and he's like, Oh, yeah, wait a second.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've got to do that too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, mask him himself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, defendant, but yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of an awkward speech, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, that's all you're.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I guess he doesn't really know her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of weird that the family put it on his head.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I feel like that was a weird move.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It felt weird.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was weird, but he just met everyone and now he's a speaker at her funeral.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, awkward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like they saw the TV show six feet under.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, okay, well, we're gonna go ahead and get him to speak since he's part of the funeral home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I understand the awkwardness of funeral and stuff and not knowing what to say or how to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And especially when you're just thrown in there, especially when you don't even know this person from Adam and you're like, okay, well, I'll have to say something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he actually did a pretty good job of actually looking around his surroundings and seeing what he can come up with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, on a way, I mean, he does it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He knocks it out of the park.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have Harrison, who's questioning his own self about what his future is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he has the inspiration to probably go back to college, which I thought was actually pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm having the pamplin and then he throws it away as like, well, once he saw the tuition, he's like, nah, never mind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, let's go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about some of the other stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, let's see here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, when do you guys want to start at?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I was, because I was wanting to jump around a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was such a good episode where we're, we're doing, I guess we can just start like chronologically, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's so cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's so much to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about the whole fact that Leon calls Dexter outside of the apartment because I'm outside of your door.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, where are you talking about?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm, my mouth just fell open because we also see Charlie going through red department and everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, how the hell do you not explain that Dexter?

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[SPEAKER_01]: you have to at least get the mail that red has or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I like how he was able to maneuver that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, well, I figured since Charlie broke into my apartment last time, I need to go and have removed myself from that apartment and have a different address.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I also felt horrified it like does this guy really?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this guy really at his house that the real house that he stays at?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that was my first initial thought and I'm looking around all I go, okay, good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, my biggest question is like, what about Red's work?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he's not shown up for work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, are they not like wondering where he's at?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have this index to address that at all, or like, you know, call and like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: pretend to be red and quit or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's just like in my mind, that's just hanging out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he had a steady job, but he went through it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just disappears and it doesn't seem like anybody cares or like that's weird to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That part of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It does have a little bit of a loophole, you know, not loophole, but you know what I mean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because even with the whole thing where he calls up Harrison, I'm like, when did he get Harrison's number?

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[SPEAKER_01]: because we don't see them exchange numbers, but I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna go in for the ride and turn that part off because, you know, we're gonna have those moments where something just doesn't add up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, okay, but I'll just go in for the ride because of the fact that this is Dexter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in this for the long haul for all ten episodes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's see what they're gonna give us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just as with you Jason with the whole entire fact of, you know, no one's calling right up and saying, hey, why is your ass not at work?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why haven't you showed up?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it does cause some red flags, but at the same time though, maybe they just terminated him after so many times if him not coming in and be like a no-called no-show thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I kind of felt like Dexter is being a bit sloppy with everything that he's not tying up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like what you guys were saying about like the loose ends and especially with Red and he's trying to take over his life to continue to get to know and ultimately I guess like kill all of these serial killers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, I know that that was

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like as soon as we had that moment of Uma going in, there was like, oh no, she's, you know, we're, we're standing here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going through all of us seven.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's doing like everything that you would do as like a private investigator, whoever she is, she's looking at like, oh, there's expired food, there's rotten food, you know, like nobody's been checking the mailbox, you know, all of these red flags.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not here, where is he?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I was like, oh my god, of course he has, he should maintain that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But that was a really good save on, on Dexter's part about like, oh yeah, I totally left that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, because you guys found me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was brilliant.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cause yeah, there were those moments where it's like, oh my god, they're right outside of his actual home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's gonna have the fight, but I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But that's kind of the end of the,

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[SPEAKER_02]: the series, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like we're we get so close to Dexter getting caught and we're like holding on to the seats, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like we want to get as close to him getting caught but not getting caught.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we always, I feel like any like true Dexter fan is like a fan of his and wants him to survive everything and everything be okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, because that's how I feel though, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, okay, this is put a mark on Harrison though, too, to where Leon might come after him or the serial killer's might come after him or vice versa.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so that was my first thing was like, how is this going to, what's going to happen to Harrison?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I go back to him, because whatever happens to Dexter also implicates also too to Harrison, because he's also putting Harrison in danger as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because now Harrison is on everybody's radar, like Batista and the new detectives in New York, like he's on everybody's radar right now trying to solve that case.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because of course, we called it with the victim opening his mouth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: right because people wind it up saying this though in a station remember and you actually brought up the point is like is the jewelry box going to represent every killed that she has are they going to look at the trophies that well this truck one does not belong in here because that was a kill from New York uh... in this is supposed to be her first victim so how does that measure up

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was gagging because I knew as soon as like and port my poor husband because at every time like something hits me, I cause it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, let me tell you they're gonna, you know, something's gonna happen here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so he gets to hear all of my like fan theories.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that that was one of the best soon as like she said for my first victim I was like okay like that's gonna come back and like by dexter on his abs because you know he doesn't know that she said that but yeah I mean I don't like being right because like I wanted to be tougher but also like okay

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like I don't want to predict everything from A to B. I want some type of mystery in between and say, okay, right, it was wrong about this prediction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's cool to actually have those moments, but at the same time, it's like, I want something a little bit more richer for the writing aspect of it to say, oh, I was wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm glad that this happened instead of what I had thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I totally get that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: going to hit Jason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say, I don't think it's a quit like the Jim and I killer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, it's not a coincidence that his victims are fathers and sons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're eventually going to get to him going after Paris and in in texture almost almost a hundred percent certain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also like how they also mentioned the fact, and we talked about this two conversations like, well, if all these serial killer start disappearing, they're going to also question dexter as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And dexter also mimics the same thing that we also said as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was getting out over that moment of texture actually thinking the way that we're thinking as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that was pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we have

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that when Leon called the other serial killers and saying that Mia would rat everyone out, that's what set everything emotion for everyone to kill Mia to where he actually had to pay partly to kill to hire somebody to kill Mia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it was that scene and the afternoon is like, you're not think Mia's dead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to talk about that because I also don't think she's dead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was way too convenient.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we didn't see it happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the shots were very wide.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we barely saw her body.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't think it's her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think Leon with his money set it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think so too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's alive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're saying, OK, that would be great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then also, she's coming for a deck.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, also, too, she doesn't know that decks was the one in place tonight on one call.

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[SPEAKER_02]: but you know, she's gonna put two and seven together and you know, do the math, you know, especially with like other, because, does she know that other serial killers are missing maybe, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Only, I mean, I'll point to your carers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't know about the twin and the twin also doesn't know about his twin brother dying right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He probably knows that someone's up if he hasn't heard from him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel, that's supposed to be the both of them there I think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He, well, I don't think that everybody in the group knows that there's two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even really want to know that there's two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a choice that they're making.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think maybe inklage and maybe um, um, a therm, and maybe they know because they're Snoopy, but I think that that's something that they're letting them, like, keep because when you, like, cause I rewatched it again, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did do like, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that it seems like the after day, but he's playing them different.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we kind of see a different twin, you know, one that's more chaotic and, you know, just

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[SPEAKER_02]: a little bit more suspicious, and then they're.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then, you know, it just seems like there's two going on, but I love that twist.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was so good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I love the line where he says, now that we're getting into it, because I've been holding back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I love that line where he said, like, Dexter was like, who did you leave the note for?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's like myself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When he said that, when he said that, I was thinking like a split personality thing, where he doesn't like a momento or something, where he doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: remember like the other part of him or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I honestly, the twin thing caught me off guard and surprised me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It caught me off guard the first time, but then I went back and rewatched it today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I looked at the scene where he's flipping through his cell phone and seeing the murders at the Gemini killer did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, there's no way one person could kill two people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the same exact way in a sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, yeah, he has a twin, but Dexter also didn't pick up on it either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My wife also said the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you think that he would actually pick up on, I said, don't forget, he's also the civilian now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not a worker by Miami Metro.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is not Miami Metro, Dexter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is civilian lifestyle, Dexter that only is using resources through his cell phone versus it through

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only way he would normally does is go to his office, looks like criminal records.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going through a different type of lens compared to Miami Metro Dexter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and also I, yeah, I think he's like getting like what I said, a little sloppy with some of his stuff for whatever reason.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I thought it was also interesting that like for me, I feel like at the bookstore because there was a moment when Dexter was like not being secret and going through the book and there was a moment where somebody dropped books.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it was the other twin thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I think it was that when you followed Dexter home, you know, and I felt that where he lives and everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I feel like I feel like probably the twin knows some things going on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of gave him a little bit of an eye in the house, doctor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you guys catch that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's not formally caught me by surprise, but then looking back, I'm like, oh my god, it was so obvious, you know, like Gemini, it was a joke though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I like the twist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to respect, we're speccing Garrett and then we're like that as the audience is the same way of thinking that the extra thing and goes, well, good luck with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's about he's in ash right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then the other twin shows up and the X was like, what the fuck?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I think also the other twin isn't going to like, you know, throw up suspicions in front of everyone because he's trying to hide who he is as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like have a twin and so for whatever reason, at least that's what my takeaway was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He also probably wants to find out where his brother is and if he

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[SPEAKER_00]: rats out next year he may not get the opportunity to find out where his brother is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He may be thinking along those lines.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's also another thing, too, is do mention this about how sloppy is in a station.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dexter is actually a thing for my note.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have this in my notes, though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said, remember when you criticize lady vengeance for killing somebody in her apartment or setting up someone to kill someone in their apartment is like, well, that's just sloppy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then here are he is doing the same thing that she did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's sloppy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have people that are trying to mourn somebody upstairs while you're trying to kill somebody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's a bit of a difference though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Lady Vitton's lured that person to her house with the extra he was there and surprised them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was an accident, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, Dexter didn't plan for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He just happened to have the material, something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But also, that was kind of a moment where once the granddaughters, like, husband or boyfriend, whoever he is gave Dexter the ice, I was like, okay, of course, something's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're one of the family members gonna either walk in on decks or doing something or they're gonna like have an opportunity to go into his apartment and snoop around like I think he may be the mom because I know like she's snoopy about like background checks and stuff I was like that gives her like that could somebody the perfect opportunity and then what happened?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know like the dad comes down and then the classic M of the show is just getting us to that clipping or point

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[SPEAKER_02]: where Dexter's like, ooh, you know, like, please don't look in the show or I'm gonna have to kill you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He gets as close as he possibly came without actually seeing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's so good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's like, I don't know humans that are gonna act like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the landlord, I forget the character's name.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to like go fix this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Blessing your name.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah, so I don't know like what human would do that and that's a good thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's kind of like there is home to though because yeah, he's next was renting from him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So basically he can just go on ahead and go into the apartment because it doesn't back belong to them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, it's okay, Dex, you don't have to worry about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go ahead and find some hadvel for myself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he sees the curtain and fixes it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Please don't tell me that's the curtain down or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he has two bodies that he has to try to explain, but there is some speculation, though, with blessings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some people are expecting him that he could be the New York Terrier killer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought of that too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially if it's story about the darkness in him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was like a huge thing to alone.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like just watching the series, I'm like, okay, that person could be the river.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That, you know, like everybody, I'm just waiting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be Leon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, maybe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I feel like that's can, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you, what do you think, John?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the thing, I don't know if it's Lyon or not, but we talked that we speculated it could be the detective that is with his inside this share.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because don't forget, we see detective Wallace and we also see the Melvin, let's see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, but we see the detective and the other detective, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're having that conversation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, well, this doesn't match up to white.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is happening here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have this must be her first kill and also to that the guy that is then supposed to be the victim goes, Oh, no, I just went there for a conversation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, you didn't because I went back and replayed it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you're prepared to sleep with her up until she gagged you and woke your ass up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he's trying to make himself look like he's innocent, which he is, but he's also not, but he's also embarrassed because something like this happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, he's like, well, this is his first victim.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then why do we have the watch inside the jewelry box if this is her first victim?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then you have Batista who shows up and was like, well, you know how you had that one case that just never gets away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I always suspected that it was somebody else in the police force.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought it was the bait.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought there was another suspect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He goes, well, it wasn't Dokes that I hate Robert Witcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because no, I'm thinking that Harrison, Dexter Wang was trying to prove Harrison's innocence by planting the watch just as he also planted evidence on Dokes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she goes, this doesn't make sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because even when you arrive, well, he even put the body parts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He goes, well, it's just a hunch that I have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she's been calling him captain Patisse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, he's retired.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that kind of little confused.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, wait a second.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, why is it because she's very, like, by the book and like, there's no wiggle room.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was thinking, like, I wonder why she won it because she's also like pretty ballsy like calling people on bullshit, right, and not trying to show her how anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I was kind of like, I felt like against character to just kind of stream, like, just go by, like, why are you here?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What, like, you're exactly like what you said, John, like, you're retired.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's this deal?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, not say that he would say like, oh, you're, um,

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, harassing heres and or anything, but like with the audience know that he is, you know, by the look right now, everything is clear for Dexter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's no suspicions really.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not even on their radar.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, now a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, I just, I just felt like we're just kind of like, go buy that because I felt like that should be a moment like explain yourself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like what's the reason why you keep?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the difference is that, um, uh, the thesis offering an explanation that supports her theory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even though it's not a hundred percent by the book, from her partner, she's getting no, no, no, no, you're on the wrong track, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then Batista comes in and lays out his thoughts on everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it supports her theory that it's Harrison that killed the guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think she is allowing herself to entertain Batista because of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he had a different

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, theory, I bet she would shut him down completely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, too, I wouldn't be surprised to like later on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We find out that she, that she fins out finding out that he's retired.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be surprised to like later on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the series is like, Hey, look, you said that you're a police captain, but I went on and he didn't call that my name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they said that you retired about six months ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what are you doing over here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Doing this case.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Last batches looked at me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, also, here's a thought.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder her detective partner is working for like, Dinklage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I wonder if he's like, yeah, in his pocket.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because like, to be that, I guess, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, there's a point where like, maybe at some point he would agree a little, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just seems like to, he's too rigid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: with not want to be here any evidence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if he ends up being the rapper that would go along with him being connected with the English.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm also weird that he's not at the dinners though, but I understand.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, there, I hope that would be a really fun twist, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope there is an explanation why he doesn't come to the dinners.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I guess I think it would be very suspect if he did because he needs to make appearances in the police force because if he just randomly doesn't show up, they could question certain things within the police force itself is like, well, why were you here with your partner or if something happened to his partner?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And these texts are one in no who v is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess all of the other serial killers wouldn't be able to identify him because he's like one detective out of like what a thousand, you know, in the oracle or something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, you know, like detectives would have off time too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm very into the job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I guess in some cases, but I assume they have like, you know, a couple hours of free time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I would love to see a twist like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm looking for the twist for the cop, but also me, the driver though, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, we have three, but yeah, we have four right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what I wanted to bring up was Harrison imagining killing the landlord.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I geeked out over this because I'm a huge sopranos fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So to see Bobby back a lot, even though that's not actor's name, but to see him show up and he says landlord, and then you have Harrison, who's imagining that he actually took a fork and ended up stabbing him in the eye with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was really, I really thought that he did that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really thought that he's down like, how do you think this to Captain Wallace now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, well, are you going to play around with the fact that there's a little bit of a darkness inside of you, but also to Dexter also shuts that down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He goes, no, there is still some light in you because you didn't act on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just, you use your imagination to do what you thought was what you were going to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what did you guys think about that scene?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't necessarily think that

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Dexter's more right that it was just more of an impulse than a yearning or a darkness in him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's impossible to be around that stuff without it getting into you a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think that, I don't think Harrison is a killer at heart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think so either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he even said it himself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, look, you ended up trying to force this on me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It goes, and now I have trauma because of the events that happened in Lake inside that town that you were at.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, do not put that on me anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not like you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, they had that conversation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I do agree with you on that aspect though, Jason, with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you have Leon making Dexter and the other serial killers meet him at the helicopter and, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what I'm thinking too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm thinking that number one, he's trying to isolate them from their normal everyday lives to figure them out and to figure out why are people disappearing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this also puts a mark where killers are gonna end up hunting other killers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's gonna be like hunger game style to me inside this mansion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like who's gonna survive being a serial killer?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's just my two says I think that we're going to have like a little bit of a handable lecture sit down meeting dinner with all these serial killers and finding out why certain killers are escaping and I'm thinking that me has already got the compound that they're at.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But and we're going to get into this whole entire thing now because I know Jason

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[SPEAKER_01]: brought it up too and you guys did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what if Leon had me a maybe this one thing and I'm thinking maybe when Charlie, I think they wanted that stage and that whole entire thing, I'm thinking that me is still alive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like Jason said, the camera angles, and then the way she looked, and then the timing of the T-stand, all of them coming into there, I mean, you know, legal and actually knew that she wasn't gonna rat him out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because remember, there's a key line that they actually said, oh, there's a line of reporters and a line of FBI CIA and cops that are waiting to question Mia, and she still hasn't given anything up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So good luck to you if you can actually get anything out of her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he goes, well, maybe if she sees a picture of Dekster, maybe, you know, will know for a fact that that was planted or not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm thinking that told Leon Hey look, she's straight forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's not going to write us out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's try and get her out of prison, the stature death in Avra or a compound when we have these other serial killers first sit down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Another thing that supports the theory that me is still alive is when I'm a thermon hired the prison guy like gave him the money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She never said like it never said like that his mission is to kill her like we don't really know what he was hired to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just said, you know, do you want to friend or something like that in hand or the envelope handed him the envelope of money and he nods and that's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't know what he was like obviously there's somebody like a body there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe his job was to kill whoever they replaced me with, but we never

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was never given the mission to kill her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're just led to believe that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: With circumstantial evidence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I really, really think she's so alive.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe they're like running serial killers protection programs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I like it for a new life of like, so she could continue killing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess they did that she hung herself, is that right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she hung herself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, so somebody is good with makeup because there's a huge, like, you know, like a bruise on her on whoever's neck.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it looks like her and maybe I wonder if he gave her some drugs to like lower her heart rate or something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm thinking about it like this day and age.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like they're going to do bludge samples.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to do an auto.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like they're going to do all these things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's going to be hard to trick the system.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But maybe he's like greasing other poms along a line.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because that was a big stack of cash.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's a lot of money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so they're like going to usher her out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That seems about the right amount.

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[SPEAKER_02]: to get her, you know, she's alive.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's going to be an awkward meeting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, for everybody to see that like, oh my gosh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, also it's kind of like, I wonder if like, the English is using her as an example to the other ones too, because he is living

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[SPEAKER_02]: And a type of danger befriending these killers, you know, that it's kind of like befriending a wild animal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like at any moment, even though they're giving them food, they could strike you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not even their fault.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, just they're just a wild animal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, especially when they have those urges up wanting to kill.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and I can't wait until we get into the other serial killer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What does an owl or something?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the modern family.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait because you're so like joyous and I just don't remember.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I want to dive into his life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: his method and everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like how he takes the money and president is his painting pack though, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, how about some spending money?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He took all the money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if this wasn't takes so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, yo, but yeah, I do want to see more of like you said in a stage of al and finding out what his background is and his methods and only in his methods, but like I think that Dexter mentioned that he wanted to figure out how to counterbalance his killing life with his family life as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe now we get some answers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean also, okay, so this is kind of like another big thought.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I wonder if Al's gonna target because, um, so Harrison's friend who's like the the cleaner who works at the hotel as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She wears a hair and like a ponytail.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm like doing my life conspiracy theory.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, are they gonna have

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[SPEAKER_02]: some kind of like we're else going after Harrison's friend and then he has to he's like gonna kill all or something and then Dexter comes out of the shadow and then you know what it's like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: crazy moment because you know I just feel like the writers know the audience and they they like teasing us in this way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like they like doing these little Easter egg things and then you know like I I like to rewatch the episodes and especially if there's something fun like a whole like Gemini thing like I was watching back a few episodes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like oh my god it was so obvious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if you're an idiot, I am too, because it caught me by surprise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see anything too as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love those moments too, so it's like, I can't say, I don't want to be right, and then get a surprise.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just a random character switch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing I liked though, too, was like when Dexter's like, well, I wonder if I'm in the book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And remember what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, number ten, he's in the top ten.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I like when he finally kills Garrett, he goes, well, he's here's number one on the FBI.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm list now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do like, that moment I was like, he's like in the top ten and he starts doing a little bio about the Bay Harbor butcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like that little nod to the other seasons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I also don't, I also like the fact too, like I'm, that we're so glued into this to where we don't notice certain key quotes or key moments of like that twist that we saw with the twins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For example, we're so invested that we miss little small things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when it does happen, it's like, okay, I need to go back and watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then next thing you know, you have that moment of like, oh snap, I'm such an idiot for actually not paying attention, but we're just a deficit into the characters and finding out what's going to happen next and have predictions and things like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I love those moments of like, okay, let me go back and watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I miss something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like the rewatchability of this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, also, I've got a candidate to the actor who plays like Gemini, like David Dullsmolkchen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's so great in everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love him and he's so nuanced and subtle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think one of the fun key parts of the show is that they don't focus, because I was worried about this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: a huge caliber of a cast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was worried about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was worried about it taking away from Dexter because that's why I'm watching because I love Dexter and I want more Dexter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think it's really interesting that the writers have used this killer cast in the way where we just get little blurps and then we just we want more of them opposed to like fighting like some of these subplots

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care that much about like I don't care about the family that lived above.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Dexter that much just because I'm more invested in what dexter's like like the serial killer aspect of the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know so I like while I think they're all great actors I just don't care about that like sub-plant story in line which I feel like we're putting too much time in and I'm like I could get another whole episode of murder.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we took all of that away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But anyways, I love I love that actor and he actually works with my niece Molly Elfin a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's like this really great horror producer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So David, he's such a great actor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has as feel about him and this gravitas to him, where you become where he loses himself into the character that he plays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I've liked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He gives me some of my stuff on screen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just from just sitting in the corner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's so great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Dexter, I like how Dexter switches the drinks around and we're thinking, Oh, snap, did he?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he knew Dexter knew he was going to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for a moment I was like it's he just immune to his own like drugs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the drug that he uses is he immune to it because for a moment it looks like he was getting a little dizzy too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but that was fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was like, how is he going to both do this one?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But is there anything else that you guys want to talk about as far as this episode goes?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Any predictions?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anything that you missed the first time and want to talk about it or anything like that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think as far as predictions, we went through a lot of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm predicting that me is still alive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really like the idea of the partner being the New York River.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be surprised if that happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I also think that there's going to be a moment where Dexter and Harrison were the Jim and I has Dexter and Harrison.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's about to kill them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they get saved somehow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that that is definitely going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think so too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to put a mark on Dexter and Harrison because of this dinner party.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And someone's going to make him make Dexter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now Dexter has to watch him and Harrison's back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's gonna put a mark on him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna build.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I still think we have a lot to learn about Uma's character and because like, we keep on getting these flashes to her mom and I'm like, this is so out of place and weird.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, why are we forcing this on?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I imagine later on once we find out what's going on with her, it'll make more sense, but right now it just feels really forced and kind of takes me out because I'm like, what are we doing back with mom?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think also there's more to learn with English's character.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's hiding a lot of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think maybe he knows Dexter's brother or grew up with him or something's going on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that they both know at this point that Dexter's Dexter, you know, they're just teasing him with stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think there's a lot more to learn.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I also, with the Ripper theory, with that being the detective or

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's got to come up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're mentioning it to Matt.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's weird at this point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I would be pissed if it just goes nowhere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But what we're using.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was about to say, like, I was just thinking back to a few episodes ago where he gives the tour of Peter Dinkley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She gives the extra the tour of his trophy room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: what you said about how you think that he probably knows that he's he's texture and I was just like there's so much that he showed him that is connected to him and I just I don't know at the time I was thinking man that's super weird that like okay so you see the you see the gacy clown thing

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then all of a sudden immediately you go into Trinity and then and then the slides and then also the thing is just like and then also to the table that he killed his own brother on to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What about like, we didn't see like Dommer's refrigerator, but there's so much more that I don't know, it just felt like it wasn't a coincidence that we went almost straight, like these, these two things or these famous, and then we went straight to Dexter stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could have been, it could have been, you know, Dinklage, like psychologically messing with Dexter, like, look at this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Which feels like something he wouldn't want to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because he's a little bit mean, like, permanent character, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So like, I feel like he acts like he's a nice guy, but by playing the scenes, he's very, you go test to call, like he's watching his own interview.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, maybe giving himself like taking notes, you know, like what to share, what not to share.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's just like, I don't know, he's like really mean to her, which I don't like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He does have, you know, what though he does fix the M.O.

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[SPEAKER_01]: of, like, a, uh, serial killer though, in a sense, because look at, uh, American psycho, he would watch himself on camera while having sex with the prostitute, for example.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's all about narcissism, narcissistic, uh, because of them being so self entitled.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and didn't he tell everyone to bring a trophy?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like what's that about?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, is he gonna try to get rid of all of them at the same time?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just look at this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For me, I just looked at him as like a collector who likes to collect stuff from serial killers at that moment because I, here's the thing, the leads are a core Jonathan Davis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At one time, he was collecting, remember, really from serial killers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He actually had the car that belonged to Ted Bundy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow, the bug.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, there are people out there that collects it, but he doesn't do that anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He actually sold all that stuff and gave that stuff up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there are, I'm what I'm trying to say is there are collectors out there that will collect stuff that belong to other serial killers and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm thinking, so I was just thinking to myself, maybe that that's just him collecting stuff, but that actually does raise a good one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just say, I just thought of this, but he didn't just say bring a trophy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He also said bring your tools.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, so I think probably where John was saying like it's gonna be a hunger game like battle for hell or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's got me and he's gonna be like when do you guys kill her?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah

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[SPEAKER_02]: It would be fun for them, like they wouldn't see it as a, you know, because like I feel like they feel like these people are interchangeable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't think that they have a loyalty to each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the same time though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a backseat passenger supposedly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So how does a backseat passenger kill me?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, so it raises the question of what Jason said, was maybe does he really know that Dexter, that's who Dexter is, is the Big Harbor butcher?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're not driving on car to kill me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's already there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what do you do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ripper of head off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean there's going to be moments more like opportunity for Dexter to like kind of slow up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm so angry that he used his finger and he didn't get his box cutter back from Uma and he gave her his hat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like so I feel like we're going to get more opportunities where like maybe he's going to go

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[SPEAKER_02]: for trying to get a blood sample or, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he's gonna be like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I'm pissed that like, it wouldn't know where, but it's obvious it's like, well with the hat, you can get a hair sample, hair samples, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's being very goofy right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm worried for our boy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like so sucked into this life of, oh, I have an opening engagement to this party and I can finally be myself to the point where he's ignoring everything else that could actually make him suspect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's just my two cents.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah guys, I think this is a great episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really enjoyed watching it twice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I ended up watching it friday and then I rewatched it again before the review like I normally do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so there's a few announcements I want to get to real quick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will have be doing a rookie of the year review.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Coming up, that's going to be another live show at eight o'clock since the time that I click Eastern Time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For that, with my friend Zofembeck, looks into the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rossi will be on this show with me, my co-host.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She will be back on the show with me on the thirteenth, written in the final destination, bloodlines.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're actually doing that review at eight o'clock since the time that I click Eastern Time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, doom generation podcast is joining me on the fourteenth for airborne.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then after that, on the twentieth, I think Beth is going to be joining me for summer school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's everything that we have going on over here at movie loves tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Next month, we're not gonna do that many live shows or anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all gonna be pre-recorded and stuff like that for you guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you guys can enjoy it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't forget to give me a five-star review on Apple Podcast, Spotify, where you guys get your podcast from.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also to visit Rossi at Rossi's Clubhouse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She has her fantastic show over there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She can't have used directors, music, rappers, and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Check her out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And always, until next time guys, have a great day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And thank you Jason.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Anastasia, for joining me for this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll catch you guys on the next one guys.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Bye bye.