Best craft-talk podcast for creatives

There a lot of podcasts with comedians discussing the nuts and bolts of their craft; Working it Out is the best I’ve heard. But the shop talk is good for any creative discipline because it does such a good job of examining how to present the human condition to an audience. There is a lot of universal wisdom for creative people in these episodes. Every episode is good, but new listeners could do a lot worse than starting with ep 115 with Pete Holmes.