Dec. 16, 2025

Unfolding Life's Tapestry: Kevin Hipes' Journey from Rock Star to Real Estate Maven

Unfolding Life's Tapestry: Kevin Hipes' Journey from Rock Star to Real Estate Maven

Send us a text In this enlightening episode of Living the Dream with Curveball, we are joined by Kevin Hipes, a seasoned entrepreneur, real estate expert, author, and former city commissioner. Kevin shares his extraordinary journey, drawing parallels to Forrest Gump as he recounts a life filled with diverse experiences, from being a rock band musician to navigating the complexities of real estate. He candidly discusses his struggles with bipolar disorder, emphasizing the importance of mental ...

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In this enlightening episode of Living the Dream with Curveball, we are joined by Kevin Hipes, a seasoned entrepreneur, real estate expert, author, and former city commissioner. Kevin shares his extraordinary journey, drawing parallels to Forrest Gump as he recounts a life filled with diverse experiences, from being a rock band musician to navigating the complexities of real estate. He candidly discusses his struggles with bipolar disorder, emphasizing the importance of mental health awareness and resilience in both personal and professional realms. Kevin's new book, "Book of Me: The Life and Times of Kevin Hipes, the New York Forrest Gump," is a collection of humorous and heartfelt stories that reflect on his unique life journey and the lessons learned along the way. Join us for a conversation that inspires, motivates, and sheds light on the value of helping others and embracing the journey of life. Discover more about Kevin and his work at www.planethipes.com

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Welcome to the Living the Dream podcast with Curveball. if you believe you can achieve. Welcome to the Living the Dream with Curveball podcast, a show where I interview guests that teach, motivate and inspire. Today, I am joined by seasoned entrepreneur and real estate expert, as well as author and former city commissioner Kevin Hypes.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Kevin has spent years navigating business growth and community impact, so we're going to be talking to him about that. He also is in the mental health space, so we'll be talking to him about everything that he's up to and going to be up to. So, Kevin, thank you so much for joining me.

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> Kevin Hypes>Thanks for having me. It's, great to be here.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Why don't you start off by telling everybody a little bit about yourself?

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> Kevin Hypes>Sure. I, Well, I've been around a long time. I'm almost 70. and, I've lived a very interesting life and done many interesting things. So I just finished my book. It's called Book of Me, the Life and Times of Kevin Hypes, the New York Forrest Gump. And you're probably saying, well, what does he mean by that? Well, basically what it means is that I've done so many different things over the last six, seven decades, that, I guess I feel like I'm a bit of a Forrest Gump. and, a lot of interesting stories. I've been a storyteller all my life, and many people have told me that, that I should write a book because of the, many stories that I tell. And I didn't think I could do that because I'm too busy and, I don't have the patience. But what I did was I started a YouTube channel called Planet Hives. And, I told my stories into the camera. And believe it or not, in about six months, I had about 70 stories. I downloaded it to a manuscript and I ended up with a 500 page book. So, I'm kind of proud of that.

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> Kevin Hypes>but most of all, I like helping people. I do a lot of different things. I am a real estate professional by trade, but I've also had some solid ups and downs, and I've conquered many of my fears and made many mistakes along the way. and basically that has turned me into a, man who's, not afraid to go forward, who enjoys the journey.

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> Kevin Hypes>It's not really about money. It's about helping others. It's about, being successful in a way that improves the life of the folks around me. and it's Just all about, the journey. That's kind of what I say. So, there's various things I've done in various topics that I could speak about. and I'll, I guess I'll leave that open to you. But I, If you want, I can give you a quick rundown of all the crazy things I've done. I'll. I'll ask you to decide how. How you want to proceed on that.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Well, what I was gonna say is, you know, you've done real estate, you've been a city commissioner.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>You've also been a garage band musician. So. Yeah, give us a quick rundown of all the things you've done and how they all tie together, and then we'll ask you about them individually, especially the city commissioner and the, musician.

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> Kevin Hypes>Great. That's great. well, I'm a street kid from Queens. Never went to college. I was a, a hippie, a factory worker with a long hair and a ponytail.

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> Kevin Hypes>Went to a lot of those outdoor rock concerts. you know, back in the 70s, that was kind of the thing to do. but then eventually I got into a real rock and roll band, and we actually, We actually had about 30 songs, and we. I actually have about 20 songs recorded professionally from 45 years ago.

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> Kevin Hypes>That last year I put up on Spotify and, and, you know, Apple Music, so you can actually go listen to them. The band's name is the End. and like I said, many, many songs. I also did a, While I was in the band, we did a Beatlemania show to, to generate the money to do professional recordings.

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> Kevin Hypes>So we traveled all over the Northeast doing a Beatlemania show. I was George, the shy one, but I play electric guitar. Worked, at a bank. I was, out of the band. I got into commercial real estate. also, I'm a preacher. I preach on a Sunday mornings at a retirement center. my brother converted me back in the day about 30 years ago, and best, move I ever made. And I've always wanted to give a little back. So I'm an elder at my church. I counsel people. and I do many other things too. I own some real estate. I develop real estate. My professional experience is fixing broken assets. Retail, assets. so, it has been a journey and it's been a lot of fun. and I failed many times. And I guess, the reason why I call myself part of the reason my New York Forest Gump is that Forrest owned a shrimp boat, but I owned an oil tanker in the Caribbean. I lost a lot of money on that Caribbean. But it was a very unique experience. I learned a lot from it. And I guess my. I, guess one of my, elevated pitches that, that, all my stories are true. So I guess that's kind of the true Forrest Gump pitch. So, anyway, you can start anywhere you like. I can give you plenty of stories about all of those things. And when it comes to mental health, I have been diagnosed as bipolar, which is probably why I have so much energy. I'm on the manic side most of the time. And I found that, it did take me many years through very many deep depressions, to finally go to a doctor and get on medication. So I now consult with people and advise people, especially as an elder at the church too. And I counsel people because I've been there, so I can be kind of effective at that. and I do tell people to go get checked out, get on medication. There's nothing wrong with that. Nothing embarrassing about it. some of us have imbalances that need to be corrected. I went on medication, and I haven't had a depression in 20 years, but I've kept most of my manic side. So I guess that's what makes me overly productive. but I can certainly speak to that too. So anyway, I'll let you pick on whichever one you want, and I'll give you some great stories about any one of those chapters of my life.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>So talk about the lowest point in your career, because you say your failures are just as important as your success. So was the oil tanker the lowest point in your career? was it something else?

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> Kevin Hypes>Well, I'd say the oil tanker was the biggest lesson in, listening to others instead of being.

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> Kevin Hypes>Instead of guiding my financial wealth myself.

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> Kevin Hypes>Although it was a it, I. Everything becomes comical, you know, after you survive. but I had a friend of mine that convinced me that this would be a great venture. and I went in and I put a lot of money into it, and it ended up not being a great venture. it was very risky. I probably shouldn't have done it, but I'm a risk taker and I'm an entrepreneur, and that's what entrepreneurs do. But I learned that if I'm gonna be an entrepreneur, I should. I should be the one controlling, the enterprise and not allowing or leaving it up to others to control it. but I don't think that was the worst. That was just the biggest loss, probably, I'd say some of my biggest difficult times was, well, when I, when I got out of the rock and roll band. I decided to leave the rock band at 30, to try to salvage my first marriage. My marriage was falling apart, and I was feeling pretty down about myself. But, you know, it's funny, when you have difficult times in your life and you have your biggest failures, you realize that sometimes that's God opening a door for you that you would have never walked through if you hadn't been, down on your luck. And I guess that's one of the best lessons about, being down and being somewhat defeated in the things that you do. you know, I was, I spent years in the rock and roll band, never went to college. All of a sudden I'm 30 years old and the rock and roll business is not working out for me. What am I going to do for a living? have I made a mistake? I'm at 30 years old. You really can't start all over. and I decided to, look inward. Consulted, with my brother who's a preacher. And, he guided me through the scriptures and said, the most important thing in life for you, Kevin, right now is to get right with God. And I. And I did do that. And then from there, od, he said to me, your second most important thing is to get out of that rock and roll band and try to work on your marriage. And I did. I quit the band. But the third thing that was interesting during that same conversation was my older brother Mike introduced me to a fella in his church who was a very wealthy, established real estate developer. And he introduced me to him, said, you know, maybe he'll take you on and maybe he'll give you a job. And I never thought that would occur because I had no college. I've always been very good with numbers and very good with people. And I come to realize that to be successful in real estate, it's not about how much college you have, it's that people like doing deals with people they like. And if you're good with people and you're honest and you're good with numbers, you know, that's all you need to be successful in real estate. And this, this gentleman took me under his wing, taught me the real estate business, trusted me, trained me, and that's how I became a very successful real estate broker and developer. and, you know, it was out of the ashes of, of, of, I guess, ruined dreams of thinking, you're going to be a Rock star, which probably isn't a great life anyway, but when you're young, you think it is, and hitting rock bottom, that I turned to God, listened to my brother, and ended up having the most, the best thing that ever happened to me, which was connecting with a guy who gave me a great job, and gave me an opportunity, to show that I could be, that I can make something myself.

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> Kevin Hypes>And since then it's been, ups and downs, losses and, and, and lessons, but always thinking positive and being uphill. Met a wonderful woman, married her, got three beautiful kids. Yeah, I've had some things where I've lost a lot of money.

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> Kevin Hypes>I've also made a lot of money. the key is to not, not make it about the money. It's about the journey. That's what I learned. It's all about the journey. I failing and growing and sharing and improving my life and other people's lives. It's more important than stacking up the treasures, if you know what I mean.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Well, let's talk about your time as a city commissioner.

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> Kevin Hypes>Well, that was an interesting thing because when I, when my wife and I decided, if we got married that we wanted to move south, we lived in New York. and my wife wanted to homeschool the kids.

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> Kevin Hypes>And in New York, you know, it's expensive and you had to both work. so we moved to Florida. I had an opportunity to open a regional office for my real estate company. and I took it and I'm gonna move to Florida. And I, I'm a big bass fisherman, so I loved being in Florida in the sunshine and fishing. so I took a job, moved down to Florida and ended up buying a house in a beautiful town called Sanford. Historic town, Sanford, Florida.

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> Kevin Hypes>and, you know, I'm a very community oriented guy.

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> Kevin Hypes>And, my next door neighbor was the city commissioner. And I met him and he said, you know, we could probably use a guy like you to help out in the city. So he put me on a board. It was just a citizens, board kind of thing, you know, not an elected position, but I got interested in public service. and, and I really wanted to, you know, give back to the town. and eventually I became.

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> Kevin Hypes>He, he appointed me onto the planning and zoning board because I was a real estate professional at that point. and I was on the planning as longboard for nine years. And when he retired, I ran for his position as an elected official, a sitting commissioner in Sanford. There was five of us, a mayor and four commissioners. So I ran for the commission and I got elected. and you know, it's funny because, you know, my background was with no college and being a street kid from Queens and a hippie and a rock and roll guy, who knew that I would end up being a city commissioner, which was the most exciting thing for. Was that my poor parents, you know, they thought I was smart, I should have a great job, I should be a doctor or a lawyer. Meanwhile, I was a long head hippie and never went to college and was, in a rock band. And it was very disappointing to my dad, I must say.

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> Kevin Hypes>But when I became a city commissioner, my dad showed up at my swearing in. And I got to tell you, he was never prouder than he was so proud of his son, the elected official. I remember getting my first piece of mail, at the city and it said, it was addressed to, I forgot the way they worded it was very interesting. Addressed to, oh, the, the Honorable Kevin Hypes. And I said, who's that?

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> Kevin Hypes>And then the girl at the front desk said, that's how they address elected officials. The Honorable.

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> Kevin Hypes>I was like, you got to be kidding. I kind of thought that was pretty cool. but it was a great thing to do because I added something to the commission that being a real estate professional that some of the other guys on the board didn't have. So I helped round out the commission. I helped trot the course for the city with development and creative ideas with helping the city. it was a very, rewarding position. It was a lot of work, while working a full time job, but I really enjoyed it. And I went on from there, to move to a different town called Oviedo, which I live now. And I ran for Mayor Novito because I became a community guy and I didn't get elected, but it was a lot of fun running a campaign and doing those things. And so those are great stories, great memories. And I think, you know, I think where I've been, I've added something to the communities which is a very rewarding. Even, though it's not a high pay. You know, it's funny, when you're an elected official on that level, which is the town and city level, you don't get paid very much. I think. I think you get like 10, 10 to $12,000 a year. it's just really a stipend.

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> Kevin Hypes>it's not a full time position. You know, it's not making a salary in politics until you're up on the, I guess on the, you know, the congressional level or state representative level. And even then, they don't make a lot of money. But on the local level, you don't run for the money. You run because you want to help your community.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Well, as you and I both know, the real estate industry can be intimidating. So talk about.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>What's one of the myths that you would like to break wide open for listeners about the real estate industry?

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> Kevin Hypes>Well, you know, it's. It's interesting because when you say intimidating, you're right. When I first got into the real estate, when I got that job with that developer, all of a sudden I'm showing up in an office with a suit and tie. I had to go out and buy suits. And I'm, sitting in a. In an office with all these Harvard grads and guys like that. And here I was, a hippie with a rock and roll background. It was very intimidating. I just assumed that these guys were far more smarter than I was and that I didn't know how I was going to somehow measure up and do a good job. But what's interesting is that I learned after a few months of spending time with these guys that, you know, they knew a lot more about college football and about golf than I did. And they knew about all the college, you know, groups and frat houses and all that, but they really weren't any smarter than me. I was very good with numbers, and I was a very likable guy. And I think in many ways I was smarter than most of them. And I didn't know that in the beginning. I was very. I had a lack of confidence. and because I had never been in the professional world, so to speak, I just assumed they were judging me and that I wasn't very smart.

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> Kevin Hypes>But you should never do that. You know, God gives everybody special skills and talents, and he doesn't. He never puts you in a situation that you can't get out from under it. That's scriptural.

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> Kevin Hypes>so, I just want people to know that they should really realize that we're all special. We may not be the same, but we're all special. God gives us all very special gifts. and there's no one else that's better than you are. They may be different or they may be better at a certain task than you are, but they're not a better person than you are.

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> Kevin Hypes>As long as you're honest and you work hard and you're willing to learn and you're willing to fail and try again and keep pushing forward, you'll probably get ahead of most people, no matter what kind of college they got and really no matter how smart they are. And that's what I learned. And I've been a very hard worker. I outperformed most people because I always thought I had to because I didn't have that college degree. And I think it really gave me a leg up at the end of the day. So, so real estate's been very good to me, but I worked hard for it, and probably worked twice as hard as most of the people around me because I had to prove myself. But there's nothing wrong with that because I benefited from it.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Well, let's talk about. I know that you're very candid about mental health. What are some of the lessons that you wish business leaders would learn when it comes to mental health and resilience?

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> Kevin Hypes>Well, I can tell you this, my personal story, and I didn't realize I had a mental health issue. You know, back in the 70s, which was where I. When I got my first big depression, I didn't know what it was. It was like all of a sudden this. I was always a very positive, happy, you know, you know, kind of guy. and all of a sudden one day, I felt this black cloud just come over my head. And I didn't know what it was. And then I started hearing voices kind of telling me that, you know, you're a good talker, Kevin, but you're really not a very good person. But you've got everybody fooled. All the people around you, you're such a good talker, you've got them convinced you're such a quality guy, but, you know, you're not. And, you know, it's odd. I don't know how depression hits other people, but that's how it hit me. and I was just devastated because I just could not get those voices out of my head. And that black cloud hung over my head for probably two or three months, and I didn't know what to do. But you see, back in those days, in the 70s, depression, you know, going to a doctor, getting medication, that was for wimps. You know, real men didn't. Didn't do that. They didn't. They stay stuck it out and toughed it out and just held it and just held it back and got over it. Well, it took about two or three months before that cloud started to pass.

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> Kevin Hypes>And all of a sudden, the sunshine came in again.

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> Kevin Hypes>And I said, wow, whatever that was, I'M glad it's gone. And I really didn't give it another thought, until probably a year later, year and a half later, it happened again. Now, this time around, I still didn't get any help because it was still macho men don't get help for mental issues. it's just a depression. Everybody gets them. I'll get through it. And since the first one passed, after a few months, I just hunkered down and waited till this one pass. Well, this went on for years. 30 years. About every two years, I would get a deep depression and I would just hunker down and wait it out until it passed. Until one day when I was 50 years old, it was so bad and I had so many balls in the air because it was probably stress related that I just had a mental collapse. I ended up in the hospital and only then did I actually get the help I needed and got diagnosed. And that's when I found out I was bipolar. I was always so incredibly productive and so manic most of the time that I could outwork anybody. But every once in a while, the depression side of that bipolar would hit and I'd be down for the count for two, three months at a clip. So I guess where I would go with this is that first it's up to the individual to recognize that they need help. and to go to a doctor and get diagnosed and get on medication if that's what you need. There's nothing wrong with that. And there's nothing wrong with sharing that with your HR people. If at your job or with your family, you should always share it with your minister, your family, or an HR person. Because the last thing you want is to do something that's going to hurt your family with a jewelry grit, like kill yourself or something like that. And I came very close to doing that.

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> Kevin Hypes>fortunately, it didn't, it didn't happen for me and I got the help I needed. But I would like to tell the professionals that are out there who maybe have employees that struggle with this, is that, you know, they're not bad people. Their life's not over. They're not, they're not, broken people. It's just, it's just a chemical imbalance is all it is. And if you get on the right medication, you're 100% again. And what happens is it becomes a stigma. And the end. I felt like I wasn't good enough to hold down a good job anymore, that maybe I was broken. and I know I found out that I Wasn't that I was very blessed in many areas, and that is all I needed was the right medication. And the hardest part for people that have a mental disorder of some kind, is not so much recovering. It's getting back into the workforce. You know, when you have a collapse like that and you're out of work for two, three, four months in a hospital someplace or going to some sort of a deep therapy place and you got to take time off, when you try to get back in the workforce, all of your friends are looking at you like, where have you been? You've, like, fallen off the face of the earth for the last four months. Kevin, where you been? Well, what do you say? Well, I had a mental collapse. Excuse me. I don't want to talk about it. it's very hard to get back on the horse. That's the hardest part. So the best thing is for companies is to welcome people back and realize that, that if they get the right medication and they get the okay by their doctors, that they can be very productive people again and probably fixed for life. I haven't had a depression in 20 years, but for the first 30 years of my life, I didn't take any medication. What an idiot. I wish I would have realized sooner that is all I had to do was get diagnosed and I could have been fixed. But in the 70s, you didn't do that. So I want employers to know that the people that have mental disease, in some ways, shapes or form, are not broken people. They're very productive people once they get on the right medication. And for those of you who have a mental disease or a mental disorder of some kind, there's nothing to feel guilty about. It's not you. It's just a chemical imbalance. Get it fixed and get back on the horse and get back to work. You can be a very productive person again.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Well, let's talk about your book. Let's talk about, the hardest story that you had to put on paper and what you want listeners to take, take from it and tell us where we can get the book.

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> Kevin Hypes>Okay, well, the book is called Book of Me, the Life and Times of Kevin Hypes, the New York Forrest Gump. And I guess that's a little comical, but it is kind of true. And I think if they ever did a sequel, Forrest Gump, it ought to be with a New York guy, because last time was a Southern guy. I think that's a pretty good angle, actually.

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> Kevin Hypes>But, I call it that because I've lived many different situations, and I Found myself in very interesting situations, kind of like Forrest did.

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> Kevin Hypes>And quite frankly, he was kind of an autistic guy while I was bipolar. So, you know, there's a lot of similarities there. The stories are completely different. The difference is though, that my stories are absolutely true and Forrest Gump was kind of a made up story. So I think, I think reading my book will help a lot of people see themselves in many of the stories, but will also see the things that God brought me through where I could fail and be successful. there are, there is ups and downs in the book. Most of the stories are very funny and they're very short. mostly 67 chapters, but most of them are 5, 10 pages easy read. And they're all stories, so they start a middle and there's an end after every chapter. And it's usually a pretty funny, interesting story. So you'll find many of the stories very humorous. A lot of them are decade type stories like I lived in the 50s, I lived in the 60s, I lived in the 70s. You know, I was a hippie. You know, I was in a rock band, 80s, 90s. So it's like a Forrest Gump thing where you've got those decades. but I've had some difficult times. probably the most difficult time in my life, other than struggling with bipolar, was at 16, when I was a hippie kind of thing and long hair and did a lot of drinking with my buddies. we went on a camping trip and my best friend fell off a cliff and died. and that, my doctors told me that may have been what triggered those depressions, because I was 16 then and got my first depression probably within a year or two after that. That was the most traumatic experience in my life. He was my best friend. I knew his family. His dad was the football coach. It was a horrible, horrible experience. and I, of course, felt guilty because he and I were drinking, on a cliff near a waterfall, and we, we crashed on the rocks. And when I got up, he was gone. and I thought he went back to the campsite. Well, he didn't. He must have got up in the middle of the night and stumbled off the cliff. He fell 300ft to his death. A, horrible situation. But, you know, you gotta, you gotta pick up and keep going. So, I had to come through that. That was the most difficult time of my life, probably. but life's full of ups and downs and God puts us through things for a reason. And I'm not saying that that there was A reason for that death. That was just irresponsibility on our part as, as, as kids basically. but at the end of the day, the book has many, many real life stories, many failures, many successes. and it does focus on the fact that at a certain point in time I turned my life over to the Lord. And my life then became about serving him and about helping others. and I think God brought me a lot of successes because my focus then became not about making a lot of money for me, it was about taking care of my family, but helping others be successful. And that's a lot more rewarding than having a lot of money in the bank. so anyway, that's kind of in a nutshell. My, I have a YouTube channel. It's called Planet Hypes and my name is spelled with an I, H, I, P, E, S. And I actually wrote the book through a series of videos that I did on a YouTube channel because I don't have the patience to, to sit still long enough to write a book. So I recorded 70 videos of me telling my life stories into a camera. It's kind of comical.

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> Kevin Hypes>People tell me I'm a very animated guy on camera.

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> Kevin Hypes>and I had it downloaded to a manuscript and that's what made the book. So if you're not a big reader then go to the YouTube channel. But I'd rather you got the book. The book gives more detail. and I'm proud of the book. And you can get that on Amazon.

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> Kevin Hypes>Just plug, just type in Planet. I'm sorry, just type in Book of Me Kevin Hypes and it'll come up.

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> Kevin Hypes>You can get it for 6.99 on Amazon as an ebook or you can buy the paperback, or you can buy the hardcover which is expensive but it's got full color pictures and I have a lot of pictures in the book of me everywhere from 5 years old all the way up to 70. So I think it's a worthy read, and a good gift. So I would love to have folks check it out and then maybe email me or, or put a note on my webpage. It's webpage is planet hypes.com and check out my my webpage. You could there too tell us about.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Any upcoming projects that you're working on that listeners need to be aware of.

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> Kevin Hypes>Well, you know, I'm a busy guy and you know, being bipolar, especially being manic keeps you busy.

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> Kevin Hypes>Which for me I call it my superpower to be honest.

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> Kevin Hypes>With you because I've licked the downside of the depression with the medication, but I've kept the upside with the right medication. So I'm still quite manic. Not in a bad way, but in a good way.

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> Kevin Hypes>So, my story is interesting, and it's interesting enough that I had somebody on L. A read the book, and they loved it. so I signed up with a group out there called Voyage Media, and we're in the process of developing a TV series based on my life story. they're writing a script that I'm going to do a, what they call a podcast, which is going to be like an eight episode miniseries of my life story. And they will use that podcast to maybe pitch my story to, like, Netflix and Hulu and groups like that. So I'm, I'm excited about that.

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> Kevin Hypes>And listen, if it doesn't go anywhere, that's fine. I've just got that much more to hand down to the kids, you know, when I'm old and gone. But I'm excited about it and I'm hoping that that will go somewhere because I do think my story has, enough merit to brighten the lives of many people. So it'd be great if it hit TV or even a movie, who knows? so keep an eye out for that, too.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>We'll throw out your contact info so we can keep up with everything that you're up to.

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> Kevin Hypes>That's the truth. And the contact info, like I said, is just, Planet Hypes, on the YouTube channel or planet hypes.com at the web page, or again, just go to Amazon and buy the book. And I got a lot more information there.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>All right, final. Close that question, give us some final thoughts, and close it out with this, what is the first blunt piece of advice you would give somebody who might be suffering from a failed business or a bad career move or just burnout?

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> Kevin Hypes>Okay, this is, this is a good question. I'm glad you asked it. One of the first things I learned from scripture, is. And probably the smallest thing you can do is get, is be close to God. That helps with every failure. But what I learned from Scripture was a passage in James, chapter, four, verse six. And it says that God opposes the proud and gives grace to the humble. And what I learned from that was that I said, you know, why, why, why do I. And why do many people, most people, why do they fear doing things? Why do they stop themselves from trying new stuff? Well, most people stop themselves from getting better or trying new stuff because they're afraid of failure. They don't want to. They don't want to fail. Why? Well, they don't want to be embarrassed. They don't want to be humiliated in front of their friends. So they just don't do it.

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> Kevin Hypes>They don't try. They stick to what they're comfortable with. That's not the way to grow and to become successful. So what I learned from that passive was that if I'm a truly humble man, it's impossible to be humiliated. You can only be humiliated if you're prideful. That hit me like a ton of bricks. And I said to myself, you know what? Life is short and I'm going to heaven and I shouldn't fear anything. So from that day forward, I decided that I was going to do everything I'm afraid of, keep doing it until I'm not afraid of it anymore. And that's how I've been living my life ever since that day. And I got to tell you, I failed at many things. It doesn't matter. I learned from it. I got back up and I tried again.

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> Kevin Hypes>Or I dropped that and went to something else. And it turned me into this guy who's got all these stories, who's learned a lot and has really become very successful. Not so much monetarily, although I am financially successful, but more as a person.

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> Kevin Hypes>To have a positive influence on other people, to do great things for the kingdom of God, and to know that I'm living a, ah, full life the way I say it is. Life is about the journey. It's not about making a lot of money. Once you make a lot of money, you got nothing to do but worry about losing it. But as long as you're climbing that hill and you never get to the top, that's the point. That's the place you want to be. Always on the journey, striving upward. That's when life's exciting. So there it is.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>absolutely. Ladies and gentlemen. Check out everything that Kevin is up to and hopefully he does get that series on TV so we can check it out.

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> Kevin Hypes>Thank you so much Curveball. Great to be on.

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