June 4, 2024

Living the dream with certified transformative coach Marc Scheff

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In today’s episode, we dive deep into the journey of self-discovery and fulfillment with certified coach Marc Scheff. Join us as we explore how Marc transitioned from a career in tech to becoming a renowned coach for creative professionals. Learn about his unique formula for change, the creation of Everyday Original, and his inspiring insights on finding purpose and overcoming obstacles. This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to unlock their full potential and break through barriers in their personal and professional lives.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Welcome, um, to the Living the Dream podcast with curveball. Um, if you believe you can achieve Chee Chee, welcome to the Living the dream with Curveball podcast, a show where I interview guests that teach, motivate, and inspire.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Today we're going to talk about helping you reach your full potential and finding your purpose and finally breaking through, especially if you are a creative professional or you're looking to be a creative professional. But this, uh, episode is good for all, uh, walks of life, as I am joined by certified coach Mark Schiff. He helps professionals find their profound inner journey, and he helps them, as I said, break through and reach their full potential. So, Mark, thank you so much for joining us today.

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> Mark Sheff>Oh, it's my pleasure, Curtis. Thanks for having me.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Why don't you start off by telling everybody a little bit about yourself?

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> Mark Sheff>Um, how long is it? How much time do you have? I'll, um, try to keep it short.

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> Mark Sheff>Yeah. Um, I've had a really interesting journey, and, um, it's funny, you know, when I turned and transformed or changed my career to that of a coach, which is not something that I, you know, that I was planning on doing, I realized that, um, all the pieces of my journey that felt really disparate, really actually connected in this beautiful way. Um, I studied computer science in school. That was what I studied in college. And, um, but I was always, I was always interested in making art. I did a lot of art in high school, had some really great mentors there. And then, you know, when I graduated school and I was working in tech and, uh, let's call it one of the earlier tech booms, uh, I ended up taking some art classes, and through a series of events, I ended up enrolling in art school. And so I went back and got my another degree. And then, you know, then I was like, okay, now, now what does someone do with this stuff? And trying to put those things together? So I actually worked at some video game companies doing some tech stuff and some art stuff, and then I discovered the world of illustration, which is something, you know, when I was a kid, I used to go to the bookstore and, you know, I read a lot of the books, but I spent so much time in the bookstore, just, like, looking at the covers, you know, and just, um, some of the beautiful, some of the beautiful illustrations there really inspired me. Um, and I, years later, discovered a group of people who were doing this, and so I sort of redirected again. So, okay, I can do this. And I had these tech skills, so I started putting projects together for the community of artists that I was in and created a gallery that continues to run to this day. We're in our 10th year now. It's called everyday original. I, um, could tell you more about that. It's fun. Um, and then through working with a mentor who really encouraged me to get back into the physical practice of making work, I was doing a lot of digital work.

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> Mark Sheff>I discovered probably what I'm best known for now, which is my resin paintings. They're portraits and figurative work in deep layers of resin. So some of these paintings are five, six inches thick. Um, and then Covid hit, and I think that was really hard. That was one of the worst.

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> Mark Sheff>That was, like, one of the worst times. We have two kids at home, young kids, and they're, you know, they're on Zoom school, which is just insane and impossible. And, you know, my wife is working really hard, and I ended up, uh, running a nonprofit, which was taking up a lot of my time. But then I left that job for various reasons, and it was really. It was a really pretty painful experience, if I'm going to be honest. Um, I didn't want, you know, I didn't want to leave, but. But I felt like that was the best choice for me and for my mental health, honestly, at the time. And then, um, that was a hard place. But I have great support, and I've got coaches and I've got family, and my wife is just an incredible support. And, um, I started making art again, and she kind of stopped me, actually. It's funny because she stopped me and was like, are you sure you want to do that? I'm like, what do you mean?

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> Mark Sheff>This is what I do. She's like, yeah, you know what? You know, you got a moment right now. You just did this whole other thing, this nonprofit. Maybe you want to take some time and really think about, you know, what it is that you want to do. So, uh, and I've written about this, uh, in a couple of places, but what I did was I went. I sort of dug back into my coaching toolkit from the coaches that I'd worked with and created an exercise for myself that really got at the core of what it was that brought me fulfillment, that brought me joy and gave me a sense of purpose.

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> Mark Sheff>And, uh, um, my introduction to the coaching world about 20 years ago was in a men's circle, and we were dedicated to discovering purpose for ourselves and bringing those gifts to the world. And so I stepped back into that space, and I found that what I really loved doing. It's funny, uh, it wasn't any more complicated than just remembering the last 2025 years of my life and where did I feel the most joy? And it was often just in conversation with people where they, you know, where someone might come back to me a week later, two weeks, a month later and say, you know, that conversation really had an impact on me. You know, I really, um, it was really, it was really nice to talk to you because I realized that, you know, maybe, maybe I'm worried less, maybe I have less anxiety. Maybe I realized I could do the thing that I wanted to do. And, you know, at the time, I kind of went, well, who does that? And I, you know, and I looked around at a few things and I have friends who are art therapists. I said, oh, maybe that's it. So I applied to school for art therapy. But while I did that, while I was waiting for those decisions, um, it's one of these, you look back and everything seems like it makes sense. But at the time, I signed up for a coaching course because it fit my schedule and I thought this would be a good skill to have to really understand these tools. And, um, I think it was in the first session I kind of went, oh, no, this is it. Ah, this is the kind of conversation I want to have. This is the kind of results you can get for people because I was seeing it in myself. I was getting coaching and seeing the changes that I was making and the healing that I was doing for myself.

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> Mark Sheff>And, uh, like I said, the sense of fulfillment and purpose that I was able to connect to through the work. So that's what I did. I went back deep on that. Um, and I went back and got, you know, did a lot of training. I continued to, you know, if you're doing anything, like, you keep learning. So I'm still constantly reaching out, learning, taking, reading books and taking courses, getting new ideas. And, um, I've worked with a lot of different people and that's been really fulfilling. I think creatives are, I attract creatives because of my background. And I was just talking to somebody actually who's interested in my group program.

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> Mark Sheff>Uh, and she was saying, that is one of the things that's really appealing. There's lots of programs out there, but when I get someone who is in some way, in any way creative, and I mean creative, like maybe you're, uh, in a branding firm or maybe you're a painter, but you could also be an entrepreneur. We're all creating things, but when you connect with that aspect, that's where people come to me and say, oh, you get this language, you understand this process in addition to having the tools to help you get through the obstacles that always get in the way. And, um, I guess I'll leave it there. I've been talking for a little bit, so I'll just leave. That's kind of where we're at today. It's been an, uh, incredibly fulfilling journey. And not to say it was easy at any point, but, um, I feel like I'm doing the most creative and fulfilling work of my life.

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> Mark Sheff>Now.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>What? Tell us a little more about everyday original.

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> Mark Sheff>Yeah, that was another God. Um, so my tech background, the funny thing is, all these conversations, everything is in a conversation that started because I was at a place called the Society of illustrators. It's an organization based out of New York. It is what it sounds like. It's for illustrators. And I was at an event there. They had an opening with all this art, and I knew a lot of people there, and I was talking to my friend Kyle Stecker, who's a great illustrator. Um, and a lot of us are talking about, okay, how do we make it? How do we find more work? We're all talking about this stuff. And he was like, you know what you should do? You should do what some people I see are doing now.

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> Mark Sheff>This is back in 2014. Um, and he's saying, you know what? You should do a painting every day and just sell it on eBay or something. Like, people are doing that, and that money's pretty good. And I thought, well, that's a cool idea. I've seen it. Uh, but that's also kind of not my process. Like, my process is pretty slow, um, and requires a lot of downtime. So the idea of pumping something out every day didn't appeal to me. But I thought, I've got these tech skills, and I could build a website where we could get a bunch of artists.

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> Mark Sheff>And if we have, you know, if we have 30 artists, people could just post one painting a month. That's doable. So I went home that night and built the site.

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> Mark Sheff>Um, and I sent it over to him. He's like, oh, this is a really good idea. So I continued to work on the site, and I started inviting people. And, um, we do. We post one piece of art every single day. And we've been doing it for ten years, and it's different artists, and it's all part, the other part of the idea. And this, again, comes back to the way that I want to sort of constantly be. I don't like the word help, exactly. But supporting or guiding or being a supporter, a place for artists where they can grow. Uh, I was going to these art shows, and the thing that I heard the most from literally everybody was, all the artists are saying, I wish I could sell more art here, but the big paintings aren't cheap.

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> Mark Sheff>And then the artists who are also there say, I wish I could buy more art. But same thing. I thought, well, what if we had a site where you had to make small paintings so all the work is priced. At the time, everything was under $500. The price has gone up a little bit, just with inflation.

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> Mark Sheff>This is very affordable art, and there's some artists on there that I've looked up to for years, and they were excited about the chance to just really experiment.

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> Mark Sheff>Um, few of the artists actually created a whole new body of work because they were playing around with these materials that they wouldn't have done on a big piece, because that's a big commitment, but they would work on these small pieces and discover this new thing and then go do it with galleries. I've also had artists who wanted to be in the gallery, and I curate the gallery, and I didn't think they were ready yet. And then they were, and they got in the gallery, and then they grew up in audience, and then at some point they said to me, you know, my prices are too high for the gallery. And I said, great. That makes me feel really good, like we did a really good job here.

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> Mark Sheff>Um, now we've had, you know, I think the roster of artists, you know, at this point, we've had hundreds of artists, uh, on the site. We have a regular roster that rotates through the year, and we've sold, you know, we've sold. And we also pay artists a big commission because it's all online, you know, so I don't have a space where I'm hosting, where I'm. That I'm paying rent on or anything, anything else. So we give art a 75% commission, which is, um, not unheard of, but pretty unusual in the gallery world. And, uh, we run the business on the 25%. It's not a big money maker for me. But talk about fulfillment, man.

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> Mark Sheff>When these artists get on the site and they connect, because I connect them directly with collectors, that's another thing that's different.

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> Mark Sheff>I don't. Some, uh, galleries, a lot of galleries will not necessarily tell you who bought the piece.

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> Mark Sheff>They'll sort of keep their collector list private. We don't do that. We connect them directly with the collectors.

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> Mark Sheff>They email with them. They arrange the shipping, and sometimes they get more commissions from those same people.

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> Mark Sheff>Um, it's really the kind of project that.

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> Mark Sheff>It's everything I want to do all in one place.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Well, that's great. I also saw in your bio where you were talking about your formula for change, so lay that out for the listeners.

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> Mark Sheff>Oh, sure. The formula for. I didn't make this up, but, um, this was invented in the. I think in the sixties, and then, um, there's a woman, and I'm gonna blank on the name right now, but there's a woman in the, I think the eighties who sort of honed it in and made it a thing. But, um, you know, when we're trying to change in some way, and change could be like, you know, we want to feel better or we want to do better or we want to move or we want to, you know, we want to break up with somebody or, you know, whatever. You know, whatever it is, change. Change comes in a lot of different forms, but what often happens is there's some form of resistance.

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> Mark Sheff>So, you know, I want to get in better shape.

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> Mark Sheff>There's resistance. I also like to sleep, you know, or, uh, there's a resistance. Like, you know, actually going to a gym takes time, and it takes money, and there's all these things that get in the way. So that's resistance. Now, the formula for change is a formula that you can kind of use to overcome that resistance.

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> Mark Sheff>So, if you have the ingredients in this formula, as long as those ingredients add up to something that is greater than your resistance, then you can start to move towards that change that you've identified. So, the formula is pretty simple. You start with, there's three ingredients, discomfort, a vision, and next steps. So, I'll explain that discomfort, uh, might be something like, if you want to lose weight or get in shape, you might be uncomfortable with how you feel physically, or maybe you're in a, um, job that's really.

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> Mark Sheff>That you really don't like or the people are mean to you. I don't know, lots of reasons why you might not like it, but that's uncomfortable.

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> Mark Sheff>That's the kind of discomfort I'm talking about.

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> Mark Sheff>And you might be uncomfortable, but not be aware of where it's coming from. So sometimes it's worth sitting down and either writing or talking with people and trying to figure out, okay, what is the discomfort?

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> Mark Sheff>And then the second ingredient, like I said, is a vision. Uh, this is where I love coaching. This is where I love coaching people, because I've coached with people who said, oh, I don't know how to do that, or I really can't think of anything that I want. And then we have a conversation.

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> Mark Sheff>I've got all these different ways of asking people questions that help them really create a vision for what they want their life to look like. What does a happy relationship look like for you? What does a fulfilling work situation look like for you?

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> Mark Sheff>Um, you want to start your own organization.

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> Mark Sheff>Why do you want to do that, and what does that look like? That's where we start to create a vision that we can move towards. Now, you know that you're uncomfortable and you've got a vision, but this is where a lot of people get stuck. They might actually have both of those things.

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> Mark Sheff>And again, in the coaching work that I do and in the group work, we often, if not always, come back to this idea of next steps. And when I say next steps, I mean small steps.

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> Mark Sheff>There's the acronym Smart Goals, which maybe other folks on the podcast have talked about, and that stands for simple, measurable, achievable, realistic, and time bound. So, in, in easy to understand terms, when I work with people on next steps, I'll often ask them to think of something that they can do by the end of today, like something really small.

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> Mark Sheff>Maybe it's just, you know, sign up for a course, or maybe it's, you know, uh, uh, buy a journal that you're going to write in. It could be something really simple like that, but that can often be enough to start to move you towards your goals, because if you've got the discomfort, you don't want to be where you are and you've got an idea of your vision, where you want to go. You know, in a way, that's also the change that you're looking for, and you've got a set of next steps that's enough to overcome resistance, to move you towards that change.

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> Mark Sheff>Now, I think that that can often be enough. And I will say I've been lucky and fortunate to have the support of great coaches, great, great family and friends with whom I can have this kind of conversation that is, you know, that is without judgment and to really explore these ideas, because when you can do that in a safe space, that's where creativity comes in. That's where imagination starts to come in oftentimes. Imagination, like, you know, a lot of people say, oh, uh, you know, I'm not. I'm not creative or not imaginative.

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> Mark Sheff>I don't. I don't actually believe that. I believe that there's probably just something in the way. And if we can identify what that is and remove it. You'd be surprised what people can come up with.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>So does your, do you only work with artists or what other kind of creative professionals do you work with?

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> Mark Sheff>I've been lucky to work with kind of a range of people. Um, like I said, artists and creatives, writers, filmmakers, people come to me because they know I have a creative background. And so when you're looking at a roster of coaches that you might want to work with, um, that is a background that I've done. I've had an art career and I run a gallery. I know the struggles, and I've also got these coaching tools, so that's definitely probably the bulk of my clientele. Um, I've had the pleasure of working with someone who is an advisor to President Joe Biden, and that's interesting because she's a powerhouse and, uh, I am not.

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> Mark Sheff>I know very little about that particular world other than living in this country. Um, so I'm not, you know, the distinction there is like, I'm not a consultant. I'm not going to tell her exactly. Okay, this is, this is how you're going to run your, you know, your business, and this is how you're going to do your consulting. And so what we do in, in that case, you know, I've worked with people in healthcare, other, other things that I, you know, that, that are not my area of expertise. Um, um, but when someone comes to me and they know that they're, you know, they're at a plateau or, you know, maybe they're at the top of their game or, like, you know, I'm working with someone who's at a, you know, who wants to create their own creative agency, uh, from the job that they're in. And so they're looking at an entrepreneurial track, and I haven't created an agency like he has, and I haven't advised the president, obviously, and I don't run a healthcare company, but the tools that I use. And when people come and they're willing to engage in this conversation, they're willing to say, what, how can I apply creativity and a creative mindset to the change that I want to create in my life? Whether that's, you know, whether that's creating change within the work environment or, you know, on a national level or just creating a change and building their own thing? Um, that's what I, that's what I bring to my coaching. You know, a lot of the, a lot of the folks who have, uh, coaching, you know, certifications or training like I do, they go into lots of different things. Um, and I think a lot of it just has to do with what, you know, what their background and what really appeals to them, uh, and where they feel most comfortable having these conversations. Creativity is an area where I feel very comfortable, and I'm happy to have that conversation, even with someone who maybe wouldn't say they're in a creative field.

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> Mark Sheff>But the truth is, and I say this, and people might zone out on this one, but I do think that we're all creative, and I do think that we all have that capacity and we have to, you know, when we, you know, when we, like, when we decide what to eat at a restaurant, you know, we're creating in a way, like we're creating a vision in our mind of what that might taste like and, you know, and would we enjoy it? And we decide, yes, I think I would. And then we experiment. We place the order, you know, and then we get the food and we see how it went. It doesn't always go well, and we learn from that, and that's the process. It's not, it's not actually much more complicated than that show up experiment, you know?

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>So if I came to you as a creator and said, hey, Mark, I want to use your services, what could I expect?

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> Mark Sheff>Mhm, that's, that's a good question. I haven't been asked that question before.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Um.

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> Mark Sheff>Um, well, I have a, I have a process that I like to work with people. I don't, I don't do like a hard sell, like, you know, I'm out there on social media talking about what I do. But, you know, when I, when I, when someone actually says they're interested, um, I'm not trying to convince anyone to work with me because it doesn't work.

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> Mark Sheff>When you're in a coaching relationship, um, what I think any coach worth their salt will tell you is that you are doing the work. The coach isn't coming in and giving you. We have all kinds of tools and worksheets and other things that we can offer, but at the end of the day, you have to do them and you have to do the work and you have to do the discovery. So that's why when you come, maybe if you're interested in coming to me, I would say, okay, well, let's have a conversation first. Let's have a, uh, you know, let me get to know you a little bit and figure out what, you know, what, what are, what are the areas of discomfort? You know, do you have a sense of vision or not, you know, do you kind of know what you want to do? Do you know what's in the way? So we do basically a coaching conversation, and that does two things. It. It helps me get to know this person, and am I inspired by, you know, by what I think, you know, they're up to and the potential that they have, and also, are they. We get to the end of these conversations, and I have many of these conversations. I really, really enjoy them.

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> Mark Sheff>But also, um, it's a great way for people to decide, like, okay, how do I feel after this conversation?

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> Mark Sheff>Do I have some sort of value? Maybe I have a list of things that I want to do now, or maybe I just feel really differently about the situation that I'm in, or maybe I have a clear sense of where I want to go, where I didn't before. And if they get something like that, then the desire to continue is mutual, and then we discuss how it would work. And I do like to work with people over at least a few months to start because I think transformation takes time. Just like, if you want to get in shape, you don't go to the gym once and say, okay, I did it. You got to show up consistently. So that's why I work with people over time, and we set goals and we set, you know, we set expectations for what. What it is that they want to, uh. What does success actually mean to them? What does it look like to them? If we work together for three months, what does success look like? And we actually create a vision for that so that we know if we did it.

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> Mark Sheff>It's a great way to measure success.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Absolutely. Tell us about any current or upcoming projects that you're working on that people need to know about.

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> Mark Sheff>Oh, thank you for that. Um. God, I feel like I have so many, and, um, I don't know.

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> Mark Sheff>I was diagnosed with ADHD last year. It wasn't a surprise to me, uh, based on how I organized my life. Um, but I do love having kind of a lot of irons in the fire, and, uh, it's a constant balance for me.

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> Mark Sheff>And I also do work with people who are, as we like to say, neuro spicy. But, um, some projects I'm working on now that I'm really excited about, I just literally today, I'm handing in a chapter for a book. It's a collaborative book by a group of coaches. The, uh, publishing house is called Pixel Publishing, and they do these collaborative books, and I was invited to contribute to this one. And I've got chapter one about designing your purpose and how to use it, which is really exciting to me if you've listened this far in the podcast, you know why, um, you know, I'm also doing a lot more writing than I used to, and I find I never considered myself a writer. Um, I think I'm a pretty good one at this point, but I'm really enjoying the process of, um, I contribute to a magazine called Brains magazine, and I have a blog on substack called the art of transformation. And in both of these places, I get to explore some of these ideas. And what's really the thing. You asked what's exciting, and what's exciting is that I get to work with these people during the week, and then I get to take some of the ideas that we talked about and kind of explore them and expand them and offer them out to people. The thread that you might hear in this conversation, again, if you've gotten this far, is that, you know, I often think, like, with the artist friends of mine, like some of the artist friends, you know, who I started out with, are doing some really big, incredible things, you know, things that I'm just not, you know, probably going to do at this point. But I often think that I'd be a lot further along if I wasn't constantly, uh, trying to pay it, you know, pay it forward and create, you know, like, every time I learned something, I would want to teach it to people. I'd say, this is really cool insight, a really cool technique, or really cool tool that you can use to get clarity. And I'm constantly sort of putting that back. So, like I said, when I got to coaching, I'm like, oh, that's what.

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> Mark Sheff>That's what a coach does. That's what I've been doing the whole time. Um, so that's what I do with, you know, with my blog and, uh, you know, and on my, um, I'm starting. I've started my own podcast now, and I'm having some really interesting conversations.

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> Mark Sheff>I would, you know, not. It's on the recording. I'd love to have you on the podcast sometime. You don't have to say yes, but I'll send you. I'll send you an invite.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Oh, my own. But I don't want to interrupt you, but go ahead and tell people about that. I didn't realize you started one. Tell us about it.

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> Mark Sheff>I did. You know, I'm a big fan of starting before you're ready. So if you listen to the podcast, the first handful of episodes are just, you know, me talking about something on my phone for five or ten minutes, um, sharing the insights that I have, these tools, like the formula for change and other things. And, um, now I've started to build it out, and I've got guests, and it's a little bit more of a production.

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> Mark Sheff>Um, but I know someone like you, who's had such an interesting life and has done such, has gone through really incredible transformations.

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> Mark Sheff>Oftentimes, people are always, everyone's up against something, you know, everyone's up against something. And sometimes I know that. Sometimes I feel I've had a lot of privilege in my life, to be honest, you know, and sometimes I feel like it's not, you know, like, my problems aren't, you know, aren't really problems, but they are just the problems that I'm dealing with. And everybody has, everybody has these obstacles in their life. And so, um, I like talking to people. The podcast is also called the art of transformation, and it's on, you know, kind of anywhere you listen to podcasts, we're just getting the new episodes up now. I literally just started putting up the back episodes, and, um, but they're all on Spotify, if you're on Spotify. And, um, I really like talking to people about these really incredible moments of transformation. You know, like, I was watching, you know, I was watching the video about you where, you know, you saw this. I forget if it was like an ad or something for this school, and you thought, uh, you just dove in, you know, and, like, I would want to hear about that. Like, what, what went through your head at that point? Like, what did you, what did you expect? And what was the experience, like, going to that, you know, going to that program? And when did you start to know that this was, you know, what you were going to do? Like, that kind of stuff is really fascinating because people see themselves in those stories, you know, even if your life circumstance isn't exactly the same, people see these people who have moved beyond whatever obstacle they're facing, and there's always something there that someone can go, you know what actually, that gives me. That gives me some energy, that gives me some hope, or, like, you know what? Here's a thing that I've been putting off. I'm just, I'm going to go do it.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>I want to say, yeah, send me an invite.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>I definitely want to be on. And, man, you really, you really, uh, looked me up when you said you weren't lying. So we can look you up, give out your contact info so we can look you up and see everything that you're up to.

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> Mark Sheff>Oh, you. My contact info. Thank you. Um, well, you can if you google my name, Mark, uh, with a c m a r c. Last name is chef. S c h e f f. I'm on a lot of the social platforms. My website is Mark chef coaching. And, um, I have a group program for artists where, uh, that I'm actually filling up right now. So I don't know when this podcast comes out. It might be after we launch. But, uh, the group, we run the group, we've been running it twice a year. And it's for creatives. It's not an art course and it's not a business course, but you can find out more information about that. It's about a lot of the stuff that we've talked about, really, walking artists, uh, and creatives. If you're a writer or filmmaker, whatever. If, um, you identify as a creative, it walks you through a lot of the tools that I've been hinting at and talking about on this program where we walk you through what in my coaching training was called the neurological levels.

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> Mark Sheff>These tools for change and these perspectives for change. Um, it's a great course, and it's a really tight knit community. Anyway, you can find out more about that at unleashcreativity club.

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> Mark Sheff>And, um, when the course fills up, we'll also have the mailing list, so you can find out when the next one is available.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Okay, close us out with some final thoughts. Maybe if that was something I forgot to talk about that you would like to touch on, or just any final thoughts you have for the listeners.

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> Mark Sheff>Uh, that is probably the hardest question you've asked me all day.

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> Mark Sheff>Um, I think, uh, I'll share something that someone said to me, and we actually ended up having a long conversation about it because he wasn't sure that, ah, it was a true statement.

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> Mark Sheff>But I do think that transformation change is a collaborative effort.

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> Mark Sheff>So if you're listening and you're out there and you feel like you're kind of going it alone or that you don't have a place, um, to really get support, those places exist.

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> Mark Sheff>Maybe you want to talk to me. Maybe it's another coach.

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> Mark Sheff>Maybe there's a community of people who are also trying to achieve what you're trying to achieve, but they exist. And I've seen it. I've seen it with my coaching work. I've seen it with my. Everything that I've done, even the gallery that I told you about. I didn't do that by myself. I did it with 30, 50 other artists who are also creating work and building this thing with me. Everything that I've done in my life that I consider a success, I've done with other people. That includes my two kids, which obviously I did with one other person. Um, if you're out there, just understand that change is a collaborative effort. I really believe that. And so if you feel like you're doing it alone, seek out the people who you want to. Bring on your team. Find the folks. If it's a coach or a community or even listening to this podcast is a great start. You're starting to listen, you're starting to see what's out there, but start to make those connections. I know that takes a little bit of courage. I know that there's fear there for a lot of people about reaching out.

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> Mark Sheff>Sounds like no one wants to feel like they need help, but we're all in this together.

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> Mark Sheff>I really believe that we are all in this together. And when we understand that, these kinds of things become easier and building, you know, building communities around our dreams becomes easier.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Well said. Ladies and gentlemen, unleash creativity Club and Mark chefcoaching.com. please be sure to check him out. Follow rate review share this episode to as many people as possible. Check out the podcast if you have any guests or suggestion topics, Cjackson 10 two Ah Net is the place to send them. As always, thank you for your support. Thank you for listening. And mark, thank you for joining us and sharing your expertise.

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> Mark Sheff>Absolute pleasure. Thanks for talking to me.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>For more information on, um, the living the dream podcast, visit www.djcurvefall.com.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>until next time, stay focused on living the dream. Dream.