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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Welcome, um, to the Living the Dream podcast with curveball. Um, if you believe you can achieve Chee Chee, welcome to the Living the dream with Curveball podcast, a show where I interview guests that teach, motivate, and inspire. Today I am joined by author Beth Pollino Dutzic. Beth has a book out there. She's from Alabama. You know, she lives with her husband.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>She's enjoying life, and her book is going to be talking about the music scene. So we're going to get into that and find out, was she actually in the music business and everything that she's got going on. So, Beth, thank you so much for joining me today.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Thank you, Curtis, so much. I really appreciate it.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Why don't you start off by telling everybody a little bit about yourself?
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Well, uh, um, I am living in Alabama, but I am a New York girl, born in New York City and raised in New York City, uh, or Westchester.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And, um, as a New Yorker, I felt, um, I was the luckiest person to be able to grow up in such a great city. And that helped me, um, get involved in music. I mean, concerts and just hooking up with the right people to enjoy the music scene.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>So, um, that's one thing. Um, I do have three daughters, um, who I love dearly, and that was the reason why, you know, the book in my head, or books, it is a series of five books, I will say that. And it goes over a 20 year period, and I'm working to get book two out, hopefully in August. So I'll have two books. Out. Of the five out books, um, three and four are already written. Um, but I'm spending time marketing book one and finishing, um, looking over the final manuscript for book two so we can get that to print. So that's a little bit about me. Um, I do have a little miniature dachshund, um, truffle. So you might hear her somewhere along the line.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Okay. Well, we were discussing this in the, uh, green room. Were you actually in the music business?
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>I was. Um. It started so innocently, I started dating somebody from my neighborhood, and he was a roadie for, um, the primo band on the band circuit, which in New York was very lively.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Um, there was a band that came out of, um, that club scene, but the club scene, and you're talking about the New York area. So that was, you know, New York, which is, you know, Long Island, Westchester, um, also Connecticut and New Jersey are involved in that. And so I landed with friends who were the hottest ticket on the scene.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And from that, um, I met, um, a boyfriend who, um, I was with for several years, um, who was in another band. And so you extrapolate that out and you start to meet so many other bands and people, and so you are in it. You are in that rock and roll club scene, and everybody is trying to get a record deal. And there was a band who everybody would know that did come out of it, um, and there were a lot of really great musicians. I mean, phenomenal.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And unfortunately, those people did not get record deals. And it was back in the day when somebody came to look at you and see if they wanted to do a demo. And it's so different now. And in my books, I actually run through the changes in the music scene, um, where it was the a and r guys coming to see you, liking you, let's do a demo, or somebody who had money and said, we're going to get you studio time. And I saw bands, um, swap out people, um, for other people. And then when they do that, they actually change the band, right?
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>You get rid of a bass player and a guitarist, and you've now changed the band. It's not the original band. So that went on, um, a lot.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And it was sad to see that kind of, I don't want to say cutthroat, but for lack of better words, you know. Yeah, that went on. I also, um, had a friend whose, um, brother was, um, he was in a band in London, and, um, you know, that didn't happen, but he did write a very famous song, and, um, Joan Jett actually sang it.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And, um, I love rock and roll, and I knew the song, and I was in the supermarket with my daughters, and I'm into this song and I'm like, well, why do I know this song? And it wasn't because of Joan Jett. And I realized it was my friend's brother, um, who wrote that song.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>So that was pretty funny. And, you know, I met somebody who was, um, a publicist promoter for, at the time, a big record label. So, you know, you get backstage to concerts and there's parties and, you know, you just involved in it in different levels, and you meet, um, people in bands, some people who you're like, oh, my God, I can't wait to meet them.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And they're not who you thought they were. Um, and then there are some that are just, like, really fun. So I, um, guess for me, it was always wanted to sing, but just never felt I was good enough to do it, so I never did. And to have these books in my head for so long, it's now I'm putting myself out there as branding me and my books, and I am Curtis working on my voice, which, um, there are certain bands that I can, um, actually sing pretty well to. So, um, who knows?
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>I might become, um, the female, uh, lead character for a while and maybe put out some reels of me singing. I don't know. But I did write songs. In all of the books, I have written songs. So if there's any bands out there who, uh, want to work with me, I'm happy to listen to you.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Well, tell us about the book and the book series and why you decided to write it.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Um, I had the image in my head, as I said, for 25 years, and the best way for me to describe it to you is there would be, um, flashes and I kind of knew where the books were going, but it was like grayscale and I would get bits of how the book was going to be laid out. And originally the book was a little bit darker and all of a sudden, um, and I don't know if it's because, um, here in Alabama, in my nice, beautiful development, we have a book club.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And, uh, I was reading all these romance books and I said, you know what, I have a great story and, um, I need to put it out there. And I was literally in the shower and all of a sudden the book went through me like a faucet with the names and everything.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And it is a romance book. It is about, um, two people who fall in love and they are in different bands and they eventually create a power band and it's them playing the circuit and them, um, trying to get a record deal. I don't want to ruin the first people, but it's their love story and journey and navigating, um, the music business as a couple, as a band. And it runs through 20 years.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And it is about their love story and it's also about how you navigate and what happens to your love affair when there's so many different things. And I bring, um, the gritty side of the music business and, um, it's also a little naughty, I will say that. So, um, you can't write about a love story and not have a little bit of spiciness. Uh, and so, uh, I'm done with the four books. And the first one is out, the second one will be out and, and then, you know, the third one's ready, the fourth one, and I do have a fifth one.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And in my head it's already mapped out. I know how it's going to go and I haven't stopped writing. It's just been, um, a wonderful flow and unfolding the characters and, um, I start to unfold their life. Um, and there is many different players. So, um, you see the evolution of people that go from club scene and the bars and the beer on the floor and the raunchiness to the music business and how that affects you. So that's what the books are about.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Okay, well, talk about the perfection saga.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Well, the perfection saga is, as I said, five books. Um, the first one is playing hard. And the reason it's called playing hard is that you to get to where you need to be, you have to play hard. You have to deal with, again, playing in clubs and hoping that some record company is going to look at you. And the most important thing in that type of situation is to have original music and not just be a cover band, because there are a lot of people who were great cover bands, and if you don't have the original music, you're. You're not going to go anywhere.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>What I meant by talk about it is, how did you come up with it? That name?
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Yeah, that's a pretty cool name.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Okay, so originally, um, I thought I was writing one book, and I am self published.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And, um, I have a great team of five ladies.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And the name of the book, originally they said it sounds like a self book. So when we decided that book one was actually two books, um, everybody, the collective minds got together. And because it's a series we knew that we were going to be using, for me, it was always the perfection saga. Perfection is the name of the bandaid. So it is their saga, it's their story.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Um, and then we came up with, um, the books would all be playing something. The first one's playing hard, the second one is playing high. And, um, you definitely need to get into that. That's the gritty, you know, side of the music business, because that happens. And I do have the names for the other $2, but I'm not going to reveal them yet. Um, but that's when we came up with the series that everything would be playing something. So, um, and we encapsulated it by calling all books the perfection saga because it.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Perfection's the name of the band.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Okay, well, speaking of bands, tell us who were some of your favorite bands in the seventies, and who are some of your favorite bands now?
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Um. Oh, gosh. Um, in the seventies, I was into the progressive rock, so it was like Pink Floyd, and you can't leave out Led Zeppelin. They were, they were great.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Um, early Genesis, um, jethro tull.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Uh, there were a lot of those progressive bands, um, that I loved, and I did like, um, other music.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Um, now, um, I have, and I still do love that music.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And I raised my children, and so the rocker girl in me never left. So I raised my children and indoctrinating them, first in the Beatles and the Stones and Van Halen, and I just.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>I was gradually teaching them.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>The police, I'm just thinking of, came to mind. And then we got into the. The, uh, grunge era is, um, something for me that still lives on. You know, you have Pearl jam and Nirvana and Soundgarden with Chris Cornell, and I did love grunge. And, um, actually, the first concert I took my daughters to at Madison Square Garden, Washington corn and puddle of mud. And people kind of looked at me like that. That's the first concert you took your daughters to? And it's like, yeah, because we were all into it. Red hot chili peppers. I mean, they're coming to mind. Now, what I'm listening to is, I will say, um, no, no debate about it. And I, you know, I know how some people feel, but nickelback, uh, is my favorite band now, um, and they always were.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And so I am still, um, heavily a fan of them.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And there's bands like theater and theory, uh, of a dead man, and I guess you could call them light metal. And then of course, there's Metallica. So I'm leaning now more towards that type of music. Um, and their great shine down is another great band. Their music writing is, I, um, think, phenomenal.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>So if you were gonna make your book series a movie, who would you want to play? Gina and Trevor.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Okay, well, um, and I have thought about that because, um, my team said, you know, when we get this going, you might be approached. Um, and I said, because as a self, I own everything.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>So that's important to say, that I own everything.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>So if somebody came to me and wanted to do this, I don't think it would be a movie. I think it would be a limited series because it's, um, a very intricate story. So you couldn't do it in 2 hours. You would have to make it, um, a limited series, two seasons. So when I, um, sound egotistical, but the only person who could play Gina, because I have put a lot of me in the character of Gina. So who could play her? Me.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>That's the only person who could play me.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Uh, who could play Gina, because the nuances she has, a lot of me is in her.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And a lot of the things that happen actually happen to me. So I have put some personal stories or personal, um. Um, parts of the character me.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>So as far as trevor, I mean, I can think of a few people, but I don't want to name them because I don't.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>At this point, I wouldn't want to ruin it, because I would love to get them to play that character. So I don't want to say it out loud, but I have thought of people like Gina's mother. I have a person in mind, and she starts, um, a band with her cousin. And, um, I have a person. So, yes, I have thought about the characters and who would play them.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Without a doubt, the only one that I feel comfortable telling you is Gina, because it would be me. Um, and my daughters are like, mom, are you crazy?
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And it's like, well, you know, mom would probably have to get some face work done. And, you know, with. With AI and CG, they can make you look younger. And then I will get to a point where, you know, I can look south. Um, so, yeah, um, I have thought about it, and I have actually thought of people to play certain parts, but I don't want to ruin it because if I say it out loud, um, I don't want to jinx it. So, um, I do have people who would play certain parts out. I've thought about it, Curtis.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Okay, well, tell us about your dad.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Um, my dad?
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Yeah.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Okay. Well, um, I can say this honestly. I am an italian. Well, italian jewish girl, which in New York is very common.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Um, I didn't come from long Island. I came from west Chester. Not a big deal. Um, all my family, uh, lived in long island.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>So there's a certain way that, you know, as an italian girl, you. The profanity that was in my house was unbelievable. And, um, we did not live in a wealthy estate like Gina does.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>But, um. And I can say this because my father is gone for ten years, but my father was a wise guy. My father was that guy. And so, being the only girl and the oldest, um, there were certain things that my father would, um, you know, uh, how can I say it? I guess I always knew that my father did something other than have that normal life. And he was protective and, um, but he was certainly a, ah, wise guy back in the day, um, and for a long time. And it's a different way of, um, growing up.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Uh, I always knew that if anybody. And it actually did happen, um, if anybody, um, tried to get over on me or do anything, I knew that I was protected, and there was no way I wasn't going to be protected. My father would take care of anybody who crossed me. Yeah. So, um, my father. Yeah, my father was great, but there was that side to him.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>So tell us about any upcoming projects besides your book series that you're working on that people need to know about.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Uh, well, I am doing a lot of marketing for book one.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Um, we ran a promotion on Amazon. There's another promotion that's happening in July, and we are doing another promotion in August where we're going to hit some important parts of what is now, like publishing, like book talk and things like that. Um, because when you're self published, you don't have, um, a publishing house promoting you, which is good for me because, as I said, I own everything. And the people who I work with are the sort of like subcontract subcontractors, but I am, and this was a big, uh, coup for me. I am doing four book festivals, um, starting in September, and the first one is in Brooklyn, which is a big deal. And one of my daughters lives in Brooklyn, so, um, I'm excited about that. I also submitted my book for, um, I don't know if it's, uh, in a literary award or acknowledgement, but I did submit my book. And then I am going to Nashville, and that's a two day book festival. And then I'm going to Portland, Oregon, where I also submitted my book for some kind of literary award. And the last one I'm going to, which, um, you know, all the people that are working for me and my. I call her, my marketing guru said, I can't believe you got into Austin. And Austin is huge.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>So I am going to be doing four book festivals, and I will be there. I will be selling my book, I will be signing it. Um, and I hopefully by then I will have two books out of. So that's even better. When you do a series to get two books out, like the two books sell each other and then people wait for the third one. And I believe that I'm not going to wait a long time. I'm going to try to get them out every three or four months so that, um, the books all end in a cliffhanger. So, um, you're gonna want, after book one, you're gonna want book two. At book two, you're gonna want book three. And.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And it goes like that. So those are the things I'm doing. Um, I love doing podcasts. I think they're, they're great. I love meeting people as yourself and talking about the book, talking about myself, um, because when you're a writer, um, you're branding yourself because people want to know who you are, and a lot of authors don't want to do that. Um, this is what I've heard, and I'm exactly the opposite. I want to do everything I can.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>What, throw out your contact info so people can keep up with everything that you're up to?
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Yeah. If you go to, um, perfectionsaga.com, comma, that's my website. Um, I'm on Facebook, and I have, um, two profiles. I have my author page, but, um, my regular Facebook page has been made, um, a professional. So I had to scrub all my family off of it because they're like, we don't want to be on your facebook page. Please take us off. So I did, um. I'm on Instagram, I'm on threads. I'm on x, I'm on TikTok.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And I do do, um. I was doing reels every day, but now that my marketing person is involved, we decided that I would do two reels, um, a week. And I talk about me, I talk about what's going on with the book. I talk about, hey, you know, guess what?
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>This band is touring, and if you like them, you should go and see them. Uh, that kind of thing. So, um, I will be doing a reel later today.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Okay. Close us out with some final thoughts, maybe if that was something I forgot to touch on that you would like to talk about, or just any final thoughts you have for the listeners. Um.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Well, do you want to talk about the songs that I, um.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>That I, um.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>There are certain songs that, um, are very special to me as somebody, um, who went through 911.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Yeah, go ahead.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Um. It was horrible. I was working at IBM at the time, and everything was going crazy. And I remember going down to the cafeteria with one of my friends and we saw the plane hit the second tower and we fell, literally fell on the ground. And then the phone started going crazy. And my daughters, uh, were calling me because they were in junior high, high school, and they let them go. And they're like, mom, what's going on? I said, just go home. And then, um, because the elementary school was right next door, they try to get my youngest daughter. And the school was. The elementary school was in lockdown because there were a lot of, um, first responders, like firemen and policemen that, um, were probably called, so they didn't want the younger children to know anything. And, uh, there was a woman I worked with, and her husband was big, um, in one of, um, the yonkers, which is a big city. I mean, yonkers borders the Bronx.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And she said, go home, get your kids because they're going to start closing roads, which they did. Um, and I went home, I picked up my daughter, and she was, like, in the fourth grade, and she. And, you know, no matter how they try to talk about them not knowing, the first thing she said to me was, mom, did the twin towers fall?
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And I told you the truth. And we went home and, uh, you know, you rewatch it, and the jet fighters were going over my house, and I could see smoke, um, because I lived close to, um, the Hudson river.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And after all that, Alicia keys came out with, um, empire state of mind.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And for me, that is, ah, a song. Even the version with Jay Z is good, but, um, it's a little bit harder. Uh, but Alicia Key's empire state of mind made us New Yorkers feel so bonded together, um, because it was a crisis and you didn't know anywhere you went could something happen. And that song just made us feel like, you know what? We're going to get through this, because we are New Yorkers. And I loved her for that. And it became a song like a Yankee stadium. They were used to play the Frank Sinatra New York, New York. And then they switched to Alicia Key Singh Empire state of mind. And I. That, to me, is a very profound song.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Um, and, you know, as a New Yorker, I just love it.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Now, living in Alabama, um, I have to say, sweet home Alabama is you go to the football games here and it's played, and, you know, Curtis, that football is big down south, and it's, you know, we're Alabama. So, um, they play sweet home Alabama, and it makes you feel. It makes you feel proud to live here.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Um, you know, it's a beautiful place, and people, I guess, don't understand how beautiful it is.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>And it is the cradle of the civil rights movement, and that is something, um, that I look at and I remember the history, and it's like, look how far we came and embrace the fact that this is where it started, and it's a wonderful thing.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>All right, there you have it. Miss Beth.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Um, please be sure to pick up her book and, you know, check her out, and hopefully she gets that movie and gets a chance to. To play Gina.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Yes. And you will love the people who I have in mind. I think you will, Curtis.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Oh, I'm sure we will. And I would also love listeners if you would follow rate review share this episode to as many people as possible.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Get best book and if you have any guests or suggestion topics Curtis Jackson, 1978 aTT.net Jump on your favorite podcast app, give us a review, follow us, and thank you for listening and supporting the show. And Beth, thank you for joining us and sharing your story.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Thank you. And um, I will be happy to come back. And if you, um, send me the link, I will put this on, um, I will promote you on my webpage.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Absolutely. We'll do it.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Yeah.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>For more information on the living the Dream podcast, visit www.djcurvefall.com.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>until next time, stay focused on living the dream.
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> Beth Pollino Dutzic>Dream.