Sept. 7, 2025

Life Lessons on the Slopes: Bernard "Chalky" White's Journey of Transformation

Life Lessons on the Slopes: Bernard "Chalky" White's Journey of Transformation

Send us a text Send us a text In this inspiring episode of Living the Dream with Curveball, we sit down with internationally renowned ski instructor, bestselling author, and motivational speaker Bernard Chalky White, affectionately known as Chalky. Bernard shares his incredible journey from a tumultuous childhood in London to a fulfilling life as a ski instructor and author. He reveals the two pivotal questions that transformed his life and can do the same for you, emphasizing the importance ...

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In this inspiring episode of Living the Dream with Curveball, we sit down with internationally renowned ski instructor, bestselling author, and motivational speaker Bernard Chalky White, affectionately known as Chalky. Bernard shares his incredible journey from a tumultuous childhood in London to a fulfilling life as a ski instructor and author. He reveals the two pivotal questions that transformed his life and can do the same for you, emphasizing the importance of pursuing dreams and overcoming obstacles. Listeners will be captivated by Chalky's stories of resilience, including his struggles in the police force and his determination to become a ski instructor despite numerous setbacks. We dive deep into his memoir, "Keep Chewing the Granite," which encapsulates his philosophy of never giving up and the power of positive questioning. Join us for a conversation filled with motivation, laughter, and invaluable life lessons that encourage us all to chase our dreams, no matter the challenges we face. Don't miss this opportunity to learn from Chalky's remarkable experiences and insights that can inspire change in your own life.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Welcome to the Living the Dream podcast with Curveball. if you believe you can achieve.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Welcome to the Living the Dream with Curveball podcast, a show where I interview guests that teach, motivate and inspire.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>And today we are joined by international renowned ski instructor, bestselling author, as well as inspirational and motivational speaker Bernard Chalkey White. He's going to be talking to us about the two questions that changed his life and can change yours. And we're going to be talking to him about his life as a ski instructor and anything else that he's going to be up to. So, Bernard, thank you so much for joining me.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Thank you. Thank you again for having me. Curtis, it's great to be on your show.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Why don't you start off by telling everybody a little bit about yourself?

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Well, as you said, my name, my m name, everybody, I'm universally known as Chalky. Even in the ski business. A lot of people don't even know my last name is.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>It's just Chalky. I know that there's the other guy from, Boardwalk Empire, but I'm sorry to say I've been around a lot longer than him.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>You might have heard of that show. but anyway, yeah, as you said, earlier on, I'm from London originally and I, grew up in an abusive family, a violently abusive family where my father used to not only beat me, but he would also relentlessly beat my spinally injured mother, which I've never obviously been able to forgive him for that.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>and at, ah, the age of 13, I decided to go on strike at school because he had this thing about my education where he wanted me to be this great scholar, which I was probably never likely to be.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And instead of getting that when I was 16, I, ah, failed every single graduation, from school exam.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And, he got the opposite of what he wanted. Basically nothing but all of that, putting me a determination that I would live my life on my terms and not his. And that's what I've managed to do. And as we just mentioned, you talked about, the two questions, how two questions can change your life, which is all portrayed in my book. Keep chewing. The how two questions can change your life. And those two questions have gotten me through all kinds of, difficulties in my life and really helped me to achieve every single goal or major goal that I've ever wanted. The only time I've really failed as an adult, was when I didn't use those two questions.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Well, before we get into those two questions, let's talk about how you got the nickname Chalky, Why they call you that?

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> Bernard Chalkey White>You might have read that. I was, a policeman, but I started out working life as a police cadet.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And when I was 16, this had been now in 1964. Long time ago.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>61 years ago, I joined the first day I joined the police cadets. And I'm in the gymnasium, and the drill sergeant comes in, and he's asking everybody their names. And he gets to me, and I won't use the vernacular, but he said, what's your bleeping name? So I said, right, sir. he said, it's not sir. it's bleeping Sergeant. I nearly used the vernacular to him, but I thought, I better not.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And of course, all the other guys I joined with were there, and they heard this, you know, he said, we've got a Chalky White. And I've been Chalky White ever since.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>All. Ah, right. Amazing. Well, how did you.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>How.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>How did you become a ski instructor?

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>An author and a, And a. And a speaker because you're internationally renowned as a ski instructor?

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Yeah. well, what happened was, When.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>When I was, When I was 26, I was asked one of the most important questions in my life when somebody walked into. Because I was. I was a serving police officer at the time, because I was a policeman for.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>An actual policeman for nine years. And a friend of mine walked in and he said to me, and I'd never skied before, and he said, hey, Chalky, do you want to go on a ski trip? And I've basically been on a ski trip ever since.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And, what happened was I went on a couple of vacations. My first ever ski trip as a complete beginner was when I was 26, to Italy. And then we went to a place called Andorra, you may have heard of a little country which is just north of Barcelona in Spain. And I saw all these expats working there. Australians and South Africans, a couple of Canadians, even Americans. And they're working on lifts and working in restaurants, and some of them were even ski instructors. And I thought, God, I wonder if I could have some of that sometime.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>So anyway, I went back home, and I'd been procrastinating for years in the police, always wanted to leave, but not really having the guts to leave. And then one evening, all this stuff's just going through my head. I want to leave. I want to leave. I want to go back to Andorra. I want to go and try and be a ski instructor.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Still not having the guts to leave. Then Inadvertently, these two questions came into my head.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>First one was, something like, what if I don't go and try to fulfill my dreams in Andorra and start to travel, which I've always wanted to do?

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> Bernard Chalkey White>What will be the repercussions if I don't? And, of course, I hated the answers to that. And of course, the big one, that horrible word which, I still detest to this day, was, I'll probably regret it for the rest of my life.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>So I was feeling pretty miserable after asking that, but then I changed it around, and I immediately asked myself, but what if I do go back to Andorra and try and realize my dreams, and I'll be able to travel, I'll learn to ski, might even be able to become a ski instructor?

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> Bernard Chalkey White>What then? And of course, I loved all the answers to that question. Well, I might end up being a ski instructor. You never know. It's a big ambition, but you never know. but I might be able to work in a restaurant or on a lift when I start out.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Well, what happens between those two questions? The answers that you get?

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> Bernard Chalkey White>You can get a major change of emotion from negative emotions to very positive emotions. And that's what happened at that moment.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Well, the very next day, after nine years of procrastinating as a policeman, I resigned my post, never to return.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And that was on the 10th of August, 1975.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And here I am now, now, basically a retired ski instructor, but still a speaker. And obviously, I've been writing books and all that stuff. So, yeah, it's been a. I've had a fantastic ride. There's no doubt about that.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Well, let's talk about the two questions that.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>That change your life. Tell, us about those two questions, how they change your life and how they could change, anybody else's life.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Well, yeah, I just explained to you, of course, how they very first changed my life. They got me out. They got me out of the police force and into the life I wanted. I became, you know, first of all, became a ski bum in Andorra and eventually became a ski instructor. And of course, I was. I was, I was in Andorra that very first season, that full season that I was there, and I got a job working in a restaurant. And halfway through the season, when I started to be able to ski just a little bit, still not very well, of course. and I announced to a bunch of ski instructors, I'm going to try and become a ski instructor.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And one of these instructors shouted out, chalky, you'll never be a Ski instructor as long as you've got a hole where the sun doesn't shine.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And of course, that got me down a little bit at first, but then later on I sat down and I used the what if questions again. And what if I don't continue on trying in my quest to become a ski instructor? What will happen to me then? And of course, that nasty word regret comes up nearly every time. I'll regret it for the rest of my life if I don't. Then I changed it around and did exactly the same thing. I asked the positive, got great answers, and I carried on. And I did one more ski season after that. I went to, went from Andorra, 1300 miles away to Scotland, and I passed my very first ski instructors exam the first time. And it would be the only time I would ever pass a ski instructor exam the first time. In fact, it took me eight attempts to pass three exams. And those what if questions stopped me from quitting, because I really did think about quitting at some stage, a couple of stages, because I kept on failing and failing and failing until I went down to New Zealand, where they made me change m the way I skied and I changed my way of skiing and I passed their exam the first time. Eight attempts to pass three exams. And I still work with that New Zealand qualification if and when I teach, even today. And you're saying, you know, how do other people, use those two questions? Well, there's in the introduction to my book, I talk about a gentleman whose family, whose, family were in Venezuela, which was, was, and still is a pretty dangerous place to live. And he knew he had to get his family out of Venezuela. So he asked himself the two questions. What if I don't try to get my family out of Venezuela? What might be the repercussions of that? And the answer he got were terrible. Well, I'll regret it because they'll always be in danger living in Venezuela.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>So he hated that answer. So he then took the question to the positive. But what if I do get them out? What can happen then? Well, they can live in a country where they can live in peace, not be threatened, and be able to work and live a normal family life.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>The very next day, he started to inquire and he got them out of Venezuela, and they now live in Colombia, close by to Venezuela, and are living very peacefully to this day.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Well, let's talk about your new memoir. Keep Chewing the Granite. Tell listeners about that and why you decide to write it and what they can expect when they Read it. And you know why you chose the title. That's an interesting title.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Well, keep. Keep Chewing the granite. means, never, never, never quit in the words of. Or never, never give in, in the words of old Winston Churchill.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>and how I actually came up with that title is a story about it in my book, Keep Chewing the Granite. How two questions can change your life. And I was on one of these courses up in Scotland, a ski instructor course, one of the ones that I failed. The third one that I failed up there. And my trainer, ah, became a very good friend of mine, but his name was Jimmy Smith. And Jimmy was training us. And we were skiing in this terrible, terrible, difficult snow to ski on.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>It was like foot and a half, deep slush. It was the end of April.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And he said in his Scottish accent, he said, okay, lads, he said, one ski off.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>So we had to start skiing on one ski. So we got the lift on one ski and start coming down. And I'd never done this before. And I would make one turn, splat. Another turn, splat.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Maybe two turns, splat. Anyway, one go around.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>I landed right at Jimmy Smith's feet.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And, he looked down at me and he said, chalky, keep chewing the granite, laddie. And I've been munching away on granite ever since.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And that's where, you know, the two questions really come in, because they can.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>They are the things that can really help you to keep chewing the granite.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Why are the two questions, so useful?

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> Bernard Chalkey White>The biggest reason that they're so useful is, of course, what if question has been around forever, but it's not asking what if? But it's how you use them. As I've said, asking a negative followed by a positive, and the answers between the two, you can get a massive change of emotion. And that change of emotion really prompts you to take massive action.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And that's exactly what I did. That's how it got me out of the police.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>That's how it eventually got me to become a fully certified ski instructor. Because what happened was, up in Scotland, after the third time of me failing their full certification exam, they announced about me.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Chalky White will never be fully certified because he's the wrong body shape.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Meaning I got, bandy, bowed legs.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And in order to ski well, you need to be on flat skis. And because I've got bowed legs, they wanted us to ski with our feet very tightly together, like so. And, of course, you need to get pressure on the edges of the skis that are on the inside here. Both of these, right? One at a time when you turn. And of course, I couldn't do that. So the only way I could turn, was open my feet. But they wouldn't let me do that, and that's why they kept on failing me. So I went away from there very despondent, thinking, I'm never going to get this full certification examination. But then I said to myself, and I'd heard that in New Zealand they allowed you to take their full certification even as a foreigner, provided you had good qualifications from another country.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>So I took a big risk and I bought myself a ticket to New Zealand, 12,000 miles away from England.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And I go down there, and this is all after me asking the what if? Questions to myself. What if I don't go to New Zealand?

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> Bernard Chalkey White>What if I don't go and try and take their exam? And again, that nasty word regret comes up every time. I'll regret it forever if I don't do this, because this is the major career dream that I've got.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>So I ask, what if I don't? You know, the word regret comes up, but what if I do?

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> Bernard Chalkey White>I might pass the first time. Then I'll be fully certified, and then I can work in any country in the world, and maybe eventually I can even work in America, which, of course, eventually is what happened. So I went to New Zealand. I met a trainer there, and he said his words to me were, well, if you get your goddamn feet open, you'll be on flat skis and you might be able to ski.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>I did that. My skiing really took off.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>I passed that exam the very first time. And that's the qualification I work with to this day.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And the what if, questions would also be useful. And this is why one of the reasons why I want to start to become or get back into more of being a keynote speaker.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>It could be very good for organizations that have salespeople. Most people. Most organizations do have salespeople. And salespeople tend to get paid the most money in a company simply because it's the hardest job and very few people want to sell. And if they can ask themselves a question similar to, what if I don't call this guy? That really makes me nervous. What will be the repercussions of that? And what if I don't ever pick up the phone again? What would be the repercussions of that? Well, that's obviously very major because if. If he doesn't, he's going to lose his job. He's not going to make any money. He's not going to be able to take his family on the vacations he promised that he would. He can't have a nice car, he can't have any of the nice things that he wanted. So he hates those answers. So he or she.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And then ask that the, the opposite question. But what if I do pick up the phone and talk to this guy that really makes me nervous. What then?

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Well, I might. These answers were, well, I might make the sale of the. Of the year and I could make sale after sale after sale and I could become a pretty wealthy guy if I keep on doing that and be able to do all the things that I want to do with my family and own, very nice things.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>So again, there's that change of emotion that's the big deal with this. The change of emotion causes you to act.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Well, let's talk about who your book targets. Talk about the type of audiences that would benefit from reading your memoir.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Well, obviously, the kind of people I've just spoke of. M. For example, salespeople, young people, for example, that have, ambitions and goals. I mean, just as I did.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>There must be millions and millions and millions of people across the world who, just like me in their teens and twenties that have got these burning ambitions and goals in them, but they're afraid to take action and do it. And they procrastinate and procrastinate.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And the vast majority, of course, never ever follow through and fulfill their dreams.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And a lot of them, just as I could have done, live their lives on somebody else's terms.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Ah. And not their own. So yes, definitely salespeople, those kind of people.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>But anybody but, but also people who just like a good story. I mean I've got. There's all kinds of stories in the book about my police service, about me growing up, all that stuff. how I became a ski instructor. the story of, You may have heard of a man called, Howard Lutnick. Howard Lutnick. Where are you speaking from, by the way, Curtis?

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>I'm in Wichita, Kansas.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>You're in Kansas? Well, this gentleman's from, from New York City. And he came, he became a, very big ski client of mine. He was my ski client for 12 years. I even went to Europe to ski with him and all that stuff.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>His name is Howard Lutnick and he was the, chairman and CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald that they lost the most people in the 911 attack in the Twin Towers.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>He lost 658 of his employees, his brother and his best friend. How do you get over that.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>But luckily, this man is definitely a full on, a one type personality for sure.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Well, when I met him, I mean, this is a story. Again, a story from the book.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>he definitely, first of all came across as being very arrogant, you know, and what happened was he'd already in Beaver Creek in Colorado, next door to Vail.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>he'd already fired a couple of ski instructors.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And they called me on my phone and they said, would you ski with this guy? I said, yeah, okay, why not? So I go over to the hotel where he's staying and, I, wait and wait. And he was late. And he comes out and he was dressed just like an Italian mafioso, with black grease back hair. And the first words he said to me, he didn't even say hello. He said, do you know who I am?

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And I said, actually I tend to know more about people when I meet them face to face. And he didn't say another word. And everything went really well from then on. And going up a lift one day, I said to him, you don't like ski instructors very much, do you?

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> Bernard Chalkey White>He said, no, no, not really. I said, why is that?

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> Bernard Chalkey White>He said, well, they don't do much for me. I said, is that also true of me? He said, well, actually, you've taught me more than the other people in a couple of hours. And so, you know, those are the kind of things that happen to you that, you know, can really, again, change your life. I mean, I had a wonderful time. I used to go and ski with him in Aspen pretty much every year. He only skied in Vail and Beaver Creek for one year.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>and the rest of the time we were either in Aspen in Colorado, or one year we went to St. Moritz in Switzerland. Yeah. So it was tremendous. Yeah.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>What. Tell us about any upcoming projects that you're working on that listeners need to be aware of.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Upcoming projects. Well, I'm actually going on vacation to Italy next month, and we're going to do a road trip over there.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>upcoming projects. Well, I intend to try and get on more podcasts because, I mean, it's all very well having, writing a book and publishing it, but of course, the hard thing to do, of course, with a book is to sell copies of it. And so obviously, it's one of the reasons why I'm on your show is because I do want to promote that and I will be on other podcasts as time goes on for sure. So that's basically my projects right now. And also I'd like to do, more, public speaking, keynote speaking, if I can.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>I actually did some, two or three years ago, three or four years ago, I went to a, ah, couple of times to a place called the Stout Street Organization and that it's a center for people that are compulsory there, trying to get through alcoholism and also drug addiction. And I went and actually explained my what if questions to them and I got tremendous results there. So that's really encouraging me now to do more public speaking, keynote speaking if I can. Again, as I said to companies, organizations have salespeople or anybody that like good stories. I mean, like I said, there's all kinds of great stories in there.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>As I said, there's all kinds of stories from my police time, where I was a witness to a very nastily, committed murder. And I was also, as a cop, I was also nearly murdered twice. Once with a knife and once by strangulation. Yeah.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Wow, that's, that's pretty crazy. do you want to go?

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> Bernard Chalkey White>As you, as you may well know, Curtis, British police are not, armed with firearms. The only thing I had, I'll show it to you right now, was one of these, which we call a truncheon. And that's the only weapon that we had.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And so in some ways being a British cop was, is more dangerous than being, say, an American cop because you can't stand there with a gun and say, if you come towards me, I'm going to shoot. You can't do that.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>so you haven't got. So everything you do, certainly when it comes to arresting someone is up close and personal, whether you like it or not.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And it's still the same now I think, they don't have weapons now, but they have, Mace now, I believe.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Wow. I never knew that.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Never knew what?

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Never knew that British police didn't have firearms.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Yeah, there are some units and it's mostly for just diplomatic protection. But the average cop on the street, whether in a car or walking a beat, they do not have a gun.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Wow.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Never have. I mean, I don't know if you know this, but London, the London Metropolitan Police was the very first organized police force in the world.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>I didn't know that.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>You might have heard they're called bobbies.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>No, I'm not too up on the,

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Yeah, they're often called bobbies.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>and the reason for that is the, at the time, the guy that founded the London metropolitan police in 1829 was the British Prime Minister, a man called Robert Peel, Bobby Peel. That's why they got called bobbies. And sometimes they even get called Peelers because after his second name, Robert Peel. See the Bobby or Peters, but Bobby is the most, the most common. And I've actually got here, look, this is still my helmet. I still have from 1969 when I first, first used to start to wear this. Yeah.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>There you go, listeners. An educational lesson on the British Police Department.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>I had some very good times in it, no doubt, and I made some wonderful friends in the police, but I, it was, it was, I just did not want to continue to do that for the forever because I had this burning ambition to be involved in sport, which I eventually did of course, becoming a ski instructor and travel. You know, I've now lived in 11 different countries through the years.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Okay, well, so everybody can keep up with everything that you're up to. Throw out your contact info.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>My contact information. Yeah, my telephone number is a United states number, so plus one.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>then 970-390-6267 and my email address is my name chalky c h ah a l k y gforgolf o@gmail.com.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>so chalkygomail.com I'm also on LinkedIn. I'm also on, Facebook. and there's one other which I can't, the name of which I can't bring to mind.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>You have a website?

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> Bernard Chalkey White>No, I, I dismantled that because I wasn't using it.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Okay, we'll close this out with some final thoughts. Maybe if that was something I forgot to talk about that you would like to touch on or any final thoughts you have for the listeners.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Like I said, when I failed, and I did have a big failure once when I started my own, after I started my own successful ski instructing business in France where I was like a one man ski school and went very, very well and I started to be able to employ another ski instructor because I couldn't teach them all myself. I then decided along with two others, but I made the major decision, to put an extension on a lodge that we bought that I originally bought. And the big regret I have with that is that I didn't work out the numbers for financing this thing properly and as a result we went broke and I had to quit, quit my business. And that after that is actually the good news is, is when I eventually went to, the year later I went to America and I was then a ski instructor in the United States for 25 years in Beaver Creek, mostly in Beaver Creek, next door to Vail in Colorado. And, as I said, I wrote, a ski instruction book, that, became number one on Amazon.com and it's called, the Chalky the Seven Secrets of Skiing.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And maybe you're wondering how I came up with that name.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Well, when I was writing this book, which took me about four years to do it, this is pretty funny. I couldn't think of a name.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And I thought all the time I was writing it, I thought, I'll come up with a name, come up with a name. But I did eventually come up with a name, but I was never very happy with it. And the name of it was, Skiing and the Power of Balance. Well, anyway, one day I'm on a ski lift in Aspen with a couple of clients. One of them, actually was the gentleman I spoke of earlier on, Howard Lutnick.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>and I told them the title of this book, Skiing and the Power of Balance.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And the other gentleman said, that is so bleeping boring.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>I went, well, okay, if you can come up with a better title, I'm, all ears.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And so the very next day, I skied with him again. We're on a chairlift again. And he said, I've got a title for you. He said. I said, what? He said, the Seven Secrets of, Skiing. I said, really? He said, well, you've got the seven steps in the book. Is that correct? Yeah, that's right.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>Well, just call them secrets, because they kind of are. And he said, are you famous? I said, well, really, only in my own mind.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>And he said, he said, why don't you call it Chalky White's the Seven Secrets of Skiing? And then people will think you're famous even if you're not. So that's how the book got its name.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>there.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Ah, you have it. Ladies and gentlemen, Chalky. Please be sure to follow rate review share this episode to as many people as possible.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Follow us on your favorite podcast platform and visit www.craveball337.com for more information on the Living the Dream with Curveball podcast. Thank you for listening and supporting the show. And Chalkey, thank you for all day. You do. And thank you for joining me, Curtis.

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> Bernard Chalkey White>I, really, really appreciate it, and I wish you all the very best looking to the future. Thank you again.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>For more information on the Living the Dream with Curveball Podcast, visit www.crave curveball ah337.com until next time, keep Living the dream.