Jan. 9, 2025

From Patrol Sergeant to Podcast Star: Patrick O'Donnell's Journey

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In this compelling episode of Living the Dream with Curveball, we sit down with Patrick O'Donnell, a former Milwaukee Police Department sergeant turned bestselling author and podcast host. Patrick shares his remarkable journey from law enforcement to the literary world, discussing his experiences on the force, including high-stakes standoffs and heartwarming community interactions. He also delves into his transition to writing and podcasting, offering insights into his books like the upcoming "The Good Collar." Tune in for an inspiring conversation filled with tales of bravery, humor, and the pursuit of justice.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Welcome, um, to the Living the Dream podcast with Curveball. If you believe you can achieve cheap. Cheap.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Welcome, um, to the Living a Dream with Curveball Podcast, a show where I interview guests that teach, motivate, and inspire. Today, I am joined by podcast host, bestselling author, and TV consultant, Patrick O'Donnell. Patrick spent 25 years as a patrol sergeant with the, uh, Milwaukee Police Department. So we're going to be talking to him about his story and about everything that he's up to.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>So, Patrick, thank you so much for joining me today.

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> Speaker B>Well, thank you for having me on your show.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Why don't you start off by telling everybody a little bit about yourself?

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> Speaker B>Okay. Uh, my name is Patrick O'Donnell. I live in the frozen tundra, also known as Wisconsin, where, uh, actually, today we're super lucky. It's almost 50 degrees out. It's incredibly, unseasonably warm. So myself, my dog that doesn't have a whole lot of hair, are very happy right now. Uh, um. I was born on the south side of Chicago, and both my parents are Irish immigrants. Strong, strong believers in the American dream.

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> Speaker B>They both came over to this country with literally nothing and accomplished some amazing stuff.

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> Speaker B>We wound up moving to Wisconsin when I was in high school, and I moved from Chicago, then the, uh, Chicago metro area, to a small town in rural Wisconsin of about less than 10,000 people. There wasn't even a McDonald's there. I mean, it was small. And so that was a bit of a culture shock for me. And I wound up going to college in Wisconsin. I went to UW Whitewater.

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> Speaker B>I majored in sociology. My minor was criminal justice, and I started out as a music major.

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> Speaker B>I love, love, love music. And I thought I would be a band director. I love jazz. I. I played in a bunch of different jazz bands and that kind of thing. I played the saxophone, and I was not good enough for performance to make a living out of. I think that probably less than 1% really are.

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> Speaker B>And I always had kind of the police bug in me. And I did an internship when I was in college, when I was a junior with the Milwaukee County Sheriff's Department. And that really ignited the fire of, man, this is. This is the coolest stuff ever. So, uh, fast forward. You know, it took me a while to get on the job. I was 30. I took the test when I was 26.

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> Speaker B>There was a lot of competition.

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> Speaker B>A lot of people wanted to be cops back then.

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> Speaker B>And, I mean, I think there was like, 3,003, 500 people for 400 jobs.

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> Speaker B>And I was on the waiting list for four years. I finally got on, had a great career with the City of Milwaukee Police Department. Uh, one of the best jobs I think you could ever have. But before I did that, in the interim to pay the bills, I sold cars, I was a restaurant manager, I bartended, I did a bunch of different stuff while I was waiting to go to the police academy. So I'm happy that I did that as well. And when I was getting ready to leave police work, I wound up getting into writing and just kind of by happenstance and it seemed like, well, now there is a market for my knowledge, for writers.

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> Speaker B>And I was pretty well plugged into the writing community. So one thing morphed into another and I'm on tv, I'm writing books, I have my own podcast and I'm a guest on podcasts like yours. So, yeah, I couldn't be happier.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>So, uh, talk about some of the most intense moments that you experience as a big city cop.

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> Speaker B>Boy, there's been so many and you know, sometimes you feel like it's an out of body experience. You're like, is this really happening? You know, a couple that come to mind. I'll give you two. One in my patrol days as a cop and one as a boss on the street.

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> Speaker B>And I was a cop in one, uh, of the city's most busy areas, one of the most violent areas, one of the poorest areas of the city, probably the country. And I worked midnight to 8 for 13 years.

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> Speaker B>And I worked for 7pm to 3am for four years. And I finished my career on, uh, day shift. But I was working midnight to 8, I was by myself, which was uncharacteristic back then. I started in 1995 and I probably had about three or four years on the job. I was working midnight to eight, I was by myself. I had a regular partner, but I believe, I don't know, she had something going on with her kids or she took off that night. So I was riding

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00 in the morning, it was a super busy night. And you just want to go home. You know, it's like, uh, I just want this shift to be over with. And what happened was we get a call for shots fired. And it was an area of our district that wasn't the best, but certainly was not the worst, you know, as far as violent crime goes. And you know, the dispatcher is like, yeah, this, my board is lighting up like a Christmas tree. There's a bunch of people saying there's a guy hanging Out a second story window with a rifle, shooting this rifle just like in all different directions. So I'm like, okay.

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So they call me and they call one other one man car, and that's all that was available. And our boss, the patrol sergeant was clear on the other side of the district.

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You know, he got me on a side channel. He's like, it's going to be a while, you know, to let me know what's going on. I'm like, yeah, sure thing. So I get a hold of the other cop that's going with me and you want to coordinate this as safe as possible. When I hear long gun, you know, they, they definitely have an advantage over you. And also if it's from a second story window, there's another advantage. They have the high ground. So you're going to do your best to uh, enter the situation as covertly as possible so your lights and sirens are not going to be blaring, nothing like that. And you're gonna walk up to the scene and like I said, utilize cover and concealment, all the stuff that you were trained with. And the other guy that I was walking up to this assignment with, hated overtime. Uh, he was out the door at 8 o'clock no matter what. And we both knew that. It's like, dude, we're, we're not getting out of here on time today. You know, we got some crazy guy shooting rounds off out of his window. We gotta do something about it. So I get him on a side channel and I'm like, yo ojo, you know, where are you going to park? He's like a block away. I'm like, good, I'll come in from the other angle. You know, let's, let's posse up here and you know, let's do this right now. This is before cell phones, so we're doing this on a channel that is not like the main channel. So it's more or less just the two of us talking. So I get there, I park about a block and a half, almost two blocks away. I grabbed the shotgun and I'm going very slowly, methodically. And I see the front of this building, it's a four unit apartment house and the windows open and um, exactly where these callers were saying that this guy had a rifle that he's shooting rounds out at. And I look and whoa. Joe parks his squad car in front of the house and I'm like, oh my God, that is the absolute worst place to be. You're just, oh, uh, you're asking for trouble. So my Heart rate's going up already and I'm bank, I'm trying to get Wojo on the radio and he isn't answering his radio. So I'm like, oh my God, is he shot? Is something happen to him? So now things intensify because I'm like, okay, not only is there a guy with a rifle that might shoot me, my partner for the day here may not be around. I don't know what's going on with him. He might be hurt, he might be dead, I don't know. So I get up there, I go quicker than I probably should and I carefully walk up the stairs and I can hear his voice. So there was a moment of, you know, great relief that he's okay. And I could tell that something is wrong. He wasn't talking like his normal self and he's like, sir, put down the gun, please put down the gun. And he's got his gun out. As I breached the corner, I go in this apartment and I'll never forget.

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I can see the um, the layout in my mind and what it was is, you know, it's just a one bedroom apartment. The bedroom door was open. Wojo is in the kitchen by the door with his gun out talking to somebody in there. And he, he looked at me and he gave me a look of man, this ain't cool. This, this is not good.

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So I peek around the corner and I take a look and, and there's a guy just sweating profusely, just wearing his boxers, laying on a bed and he had a rifle to a six year old boy's head that was laying next to him. And I'm like, oh shit, this is not good. You know, and I have a shotgun I don't have. That's not the weapon to have for something like this because the further it goes, the more we would have double ought buck.

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It's I think 8 to 10, like large, uh, like it's almost like a smaller caliber bullet. And the longer it has to travel, the more it spreads out. So it's not a weapon for precise shooting.

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And I'm thinking to myself, okay, and it didn't have a sling, so now I've got this big shotgun. And I'm like, okay, now it's more of a hindrance than a help. And this poor kid is just quivering. I felt so bad for him. And he, this guy has the barrel of the rifle to the kid's head and I'm like, oh my God. But his finger was not on the trigger. And you know, I, I Kind of ease back, and I get on the air. I'm whispering now to the dispatcher. I tell her exactly what we have. Well, now the cavalry is coming. The SWAT team is going to be there, negotiators. Yeah. I mean, you're going to have pitch some tents, because the circus is going to be there. I mean, it's. That's going to be a huge deal.

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And if he puts his finger on the trigger, we're going to have to take him out.

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And it's not ideal situation. You know, it's not a super clear shot, but we're going to have to do something.

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So all kinds of stuff is running through my head.

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Then finally, my partner, Wojo, is like, you know what, dude? He said, this is some real. I don't know if I could swear on this podcast or not, but I won't. And he used some colorful adjectives, and he's like, dude, be a man. Stand up, put your hands behind your back. I don't have time for this. I don't want to be at work all day long. And he looks at him and he said, um, all right.

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So he put the rifle down, stood up, put his hands behind his back. And now as word, like, walking him down the stairs, everybody's coming. You have all these SWAT guys. You have. I mean, everybody is like. And Mojo's just going down with this guy wearing his boxers. And I've got the rifle. And the. The child's mother either lived in one of those units or she knew what was going on. So, you know, the boy was reunited with her, um, mom.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Well, I'm glad that worked out.

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> Speaker B>Uh, yeah, you and me both.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>So tell us about some of the heartwarming cases that, you know, you remember to this day and some of the cases that. That haunt you, you know, to this day.

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> Speaker B>Well, heartwarming. You know, you're usually responding on somebody's worst day. They don't call you when something is super good or whatever. But when I was a police officer, I had a partner that was female, that was my first partner, and she was like the world's best mom. She had two kids, and her world revolved around the two little kids. So, like I said, she was a great, great mom.

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> Speaker B>And it was the Fourth of July weekend, super busy, and we were on some assignment. I forget what it was.

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> Speaker B>And both of us were like, if we don't go and sneak over to the east side and get something to eat, we're. We're not going to eat tonight. So we sneak over to the east side, you know, in a district, they have what they call squat areas or beat areas, you know, that kind of thing. And we were out of the area that we're supposed to be in, so we could get into trouble for that, but people would do it just so they could grab some chow. So we grabbed a couple of burgers, and we get back in the squad. It's like, all right, let's. Let's head east. It's time to, you know, get back to work here, and we'll just eat on the way. And we get flagged down by this woman with little kids. And we're like, oh, God, this is not what we need. Because the dispatcher thinks we're on another call, like, clear across the other part of the district. And, you know, the dispatcher is like, hey, uh, squad 55, uh, how much longer? And I'm like, oh, maybe, you know, 10, 15 minutes. It looks good. And this lady is flagging us down. And it was something out of a movie.

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> Speaker B>She's like, I don't have any money. She had, like, three little kids. I'm from out of town.

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> Speaker B>You know, either her credit card wasn't working, or she just didn't have any money.

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> Speaker B>I don't know. And she.

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> Speaker B>She's like, I tried to get a hotel. All the hotels are booked. And I'm like, yeah, it's Fourth of July weekend. So Patty's like, well, come hop in the car. And I'm like, uh, okay, that's kind of against regulations, but sure, because we're supposed to be on, um, again, on the other side of town on an assignment. And she's like, hey, Pat, uh, you got a cell phone?

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> Speaker B>Right when cell phones were newer. And I'm like, yeah. She said, start calling around, see if there's any hotels that are, uh, open. I said, it's Fourth of July weekend. We're not gonna get any. She said, just do it. So I'm like, fine. So I found one in a suburb north of Milwaukee. And I'm like, okay. And Patty's like, yeah, let's just take him to the hotel, um, at that suburb. I'm like, you know how many rules we're breaking right now?

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> Speaker B>If our boss finds out that we're doing this, if we get into an accident, we get flagged down for something else. I mean, we're going to be suspended. We're. We're going to take days. And she said, come on, Pat, have a heart. Have a heart. And I'm like, fine. So she's Got this little kid bouncing on her knee and in the front seat and you know, whatever, but we kind of saved the day for that one. So we found a hotel, probably gave her a couple of bucks and went on about our business for the rest of the night.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>I know that police are known for their hammer, so. So tell us some copy, some humor.

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> Speaker B>Oh my God, there's so many. I worked with people that could have been stand up comics, There is no doubt about it. So a couple of things that jump out into my head is, and we were just talking about this a couple of days, I was at a, uh, reunion of the district in the shift that I used to work at. And there was a sergeant who's Sergeant Byer, God rest his soul.

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> Speaker B>He was one of the funniest guys I've ever known. And we do roll call at the beginning of a shift. So, you know, the shift starts at midnight. It's just like what you see on tv. You have a bunch of cops, they're all, you know, piling in and you kind of give them the lowdown what's going on in the city, major crimes, etc. Etc.

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> Speaker B>And everybody gets a hot car sheet with all the stolen license, you know, the plates of all the stolen cars in the city, etc.

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> Speaker B>Etc. And a, uh, bulletin with the major crimes that occurred in the last 24 hours and the roll call sergeant, make sure everybody has that, they do an inspection, etc. Etc. Well, one of our younger cops, he was probably like 22, 23 years old, just broke up with his girlfriend and he thought he would try Internet dating. So Sergeant Byer found his profile, so he's given roll call and he's like, okay everybody, what's your favorite color? And everyone's trying not to laugh. And it's like, hey, what do you like doing most on a lazy Sunday afternoon? And he's reading this cops like Tinder or whatever the dating, uh, app was.

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> Speaker B>And then this went on for like two or three nights.

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> Speaker B>And then finally he attached this poor copper's, um, Internet dating profile with the picture on the back of the hot car sheets.

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> Speaker B>And he gave them to everybody except for obviously that one cop. And ah, then finally he figured out, he's like, oh Sarge, that's just mean. And I'm like, oh my God, we're just dying.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Okay, so you're a podcast host. So let the tell the listeners about your podcast and what we can listen to it and what we can expect when we listen to it.

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> Speaker B>All right, I have the Cops and Writers Podcast. And, and that started just kind of as a lark. I was, I started that podcast because I was booking myself as a guest on podcasts to promote a couple of books that I just had written, the Cops and Writers books. And I thought to myself, well, you know what? I enjoy being behind the mic.

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> Speaker B>And I thought to myself, you know, I could do this. You know, I'm being interviewed by other people. I, um, I could interview other people. So I started out and like I said before, I didn't think it would really go anywhere, but, boy, it's kind of exploded.

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> Speaker B>So I'm. Usually, I'm interviewing fellow police officers. Any, you know, state, federal, local, uh, all over the world, actually. I've had police officers from Australia, Britain, all over Canada. I just interviewed somebody from Canada, actually. So I, I get their stories. And if anybody else has just a good story, you know, I mean, I interviewed Jack Barski. He was the, uh, creative consultant for the Americans that was on, I think, Amazon Prime. He was a KGB agent during the Cold War in America. He was embedded in America.

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> Speaker B>And I've also, uh, interviewed CIA officers, you know, both sides of the coin. I've interviewed criminals, people who have spent hard time in prison and, you know, if you've got a good story, great. If you have a book, even better yet.

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> Speaker B>So I, I get to have conversations with people I never would have before, and I think it's a blast. It's a lot of fun.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Well, you're also a part of true documentaries, true crime documentaries. So tell us about how you got to be a part of that and what, which ones are, ah, you a part of?

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> Speaker B>Well, it's funny you mentioned that, because I just finished up with one in England.

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> Speaker B>Unfortunately, I didn't go to England. I wanted to, but with everything being done virtual, what happened was, uh, and these opportunities all came from me being on podcasts. Most for me being the host. I. I was reached out by a producer over in England that said, hey, I like your voice. I think you could tell a story. And you have the law enforcement background. M.

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> Speaker B>That was a story about Valerie, ah, Cincinelli. She was a New York City police officer that was involved in a murder for hire plot. She paid her boyfriend to go pay a hitman to kill her husband.

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> Speaker B>So that was, you know, a real juicy, you know, twisted plot there. And I was also on Tubi TV about six months ago, a little. Yeah, about six months as, uh, Julian Simcoe. And this was a plot where she killed her husband. This is like, you Know, true crime stuff. She killed her husband, and it took the police and the d. A.

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> Speaker B>For five years to actually prosecute her. So she's running around being the merry widow. And, you know, she's going on cruises.

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> Speaker B>She's got a new boyfriend. She's spending all the insurance money. And finally, she got convicted. She went to trial and she got convicted. But I was a part of that, uh, TV show.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Okay, well, tell us about your book. Tell us, you know, what we can expect when we read it.

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> Speaker B>Well, I have a bunch of books. Uh, the latest book that about an hour ago, I was doing more edits on is called the good collar. And if you could imagine if Dexter, death wish, John wick and the equalizer got together and had a baby. That's pretty much it. It's vigilante, uh, justice, where you have a police, ah, sergeant from Milwaukee. Him and his wife go out to have dinner. She announces that she's pregnant.

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> Speaker B>They've been trying for a family forever. Everything is all rosy and great. They get jumped, where she gets killed, and he's almost killed. And what happens is all the struggles that he goes through post the attack, he becomes a raging alcoholic. The police chaplain tries to reel him in and help him out.

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> Speaker B>But what he doesn't realize is the police chaplain is actually a serial killer like Dexter. He can walk around crime scenes with no problems. He writes all the wrongs.

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> Speaker B>Somebody slips through the criminal justice system, you know, he rights the wrongs. So this is fiction.

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> Speaker B>I'm. It should be out in a couple weeks. Actually, it's called the good collar, But I have also written books, uh, for writers, specifically for writers called cops and writers, to help them get their police facts straight. And I've also written some books under pen names and collaborations.

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> Speaker B>So, yeah, this is book number 10 for me.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Okay, well, what advice would you give, uh, new authors out there, you know, that are trying to increase their sales of their books?

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> Speaker B>Boy, if you're a, uh, rookie. You know, here's the thing. There's a couple of different ways. There's no right, or. How can I put it? There's no solid right or wrong way of doing this. A lot of it is, you know, A lot of it is just trial and error.

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> Speaker B>Oh, um, sorry about that. But as far as, you know, advice.

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> Speaker B>Here's my quick advice to new authors.

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> Speaker B>Don't beat yourself over the head with, hey, I need a New York agent or whatever. You can do it yourself. Do it as. As good as you can. You know, you have a good cover Have a good story, have a good, clean manuscript, as far as, you know, mistakes, that kind of thing. Uh, if you want to improve, I would say start reading more in the genre that you're interested in writing. There's going to be tropes. You know, it's hard for me to watch a TV show anymore or read a book without seeing. Okay, yeah, that's the hero's journey. That's, you know, this is what this author is trying to come across. You know, there's formulas for this, and you'll figure that out. Listen to podcasts, buy books, and you'll get it. But just so you know, your first novel probably will not be your best, but, hey, it's a learning experience.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Absolutely is. Uh, tell us about any upcoming projects that you're working on that people need to be aware of.

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> Speaker B>Uh, the latest is the Good Collar, uh, my latest, uh, Vigilante justice series that, uh, hopefully will be out in a couple of weeks.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>So everybody can keep up with everything that you're up to.

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> Speaker B>Throw out your contact info copsandwriters.com. everything is on there.

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> Speaker B>I also have a Facebook group, cops and writers, and that's mostly writers. And I also have law enforcement from all over the world. I have writers from all over the world. And that's, you know, it's like, hey, would I need a search warrant for this? Or what would happen if my character did that? Or there's countries where there's highly restrictive gun laws where they can't go to a range and shoot a gun, and they're going to have questions about guns. So, you know, we'll help them out with that. So either the cops and rioters, Facebook, uh, group cops, uh, and writers, uh, website.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Okay, we'll close this out with some final thoughts. Maybe if that was something I forgot to talk about that you would like to touch on, or any final thoughts you have for the listeners.

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> Speaker B>Any final thoughts? Well, tell you what, Like I said before, you know, one of the things that attracted me to this podcast was, you know, the curveball part. And, you know, life is always going to throw you curveballs, but you'll always come out on the other. And.

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> Speaker B>Okay, yeah, I had cancer when I was 40. I did have some hard times when I was working the job. There was times where I almost got killed and I went through a horrible divorce.

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> Speaker B>I've been. I've been through a lot of different stuff. And as I've gotten older, I have discovered that, hey, you know what? The sun's still going to come up tomorrow morning and life will keep on chugging along and you're going to be okay. So you're going to be all right.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>All right, ladies and gentlemen, copsandwriters.com please be sure to check out everything that Patrick's up to and check out his writing and his podcast.

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> Speaker B>Thank you so much.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>For more information on the Living the Dream podcast, visit www.djcurveball.com.

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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>until next time, stay focused on Living the dream.

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