June 12, 2025
From Contract Writer to Rural Revivalist: Gabe Schillman's Musical Journey
Send us a text Songwriter Gabe Schillman truly embodies the "living on the road" lifestyle—he doesn't even own a home. With 232 shows performed nationwide last year alone, this professional songwriter and touring artist has turned his nomadic existence into both an art form and a mission. During our candid conversation, Gabe reveals the fascinating world of contract songwriting, where artists craft music to fit specific commercial, film, and entertainment needs. "Music is everywhere," he exp...
Songwriter Gabe Schillman truly embodies the "living on the road" lifestyle—he doesn't even own a home. With 232 shows performed nationwide last year alone, this professional songwriter and touring artist has turned his nomadic existence into both an art form and a mission.
During our candid conversation, Gabe reveals the fascinating world of contract songwriting, where artists craft music to fit specific commercial, film, and entertainment needs. "Music is everywhere," he explains. "Every note sounds like something, whether it's sad, happy, mad—every note sounds like an emotion." This perspective has allowed him to create music that resonates across diverse audiences while working with industry legends like Ted Perlman, producer for Bob Dylan and Diana Ross.
What truly sets Gabe apart is his newest venture, the Rustic Revival Roadshow. This isn't just another concert tour—it's a purpose-driven mission bringing high-quality performances to rural communities while raising funds for local causes. From building veteran memorials to supporting organizations like TUGS.org that help struggling family farmers facing high suicide rates, Gabe has found a way to transform music into meaningful community impact.
Perhaps the most powerful moment comes when this fiercely independent artist admits that his greatest growth occurred when he finally allowed others to help. "Let your guard down just a little bit," he advises fellow artists. "Accept the help that you've been reluctant to accept." It's a vulnerable admission from someone who's spent decades building a career on self-reliance.
Ready to experience Gabe's music and mission? Follow him at KingGabe.com, join "King Gabe's Village" on social media, and watch for the Rustic Revival Roadshow launching this August. This is more than just music—it's a movement bringing hope, purpose, and world-class entertainment to the heart of rural America.
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00:00 - Introduction to Gabe Shillman
05:42 - Life as a Contract Songwriter
10:49 - Musical Influences and Inspirations
16:22 - Collaborations with Industry Icons
21:01 - The Rustic Revival Roadshow
25:00 - Building Community and Final Thoughts
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Welcome to the Living the Dream Podcast with Curveball, If you believe you can achieve.
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Welcome to the Living the Dream with Curveball Podcast, a show where I interview guests that teach, motivate and inspire.
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Where I interview guests that teach, motivate and inspire.
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Today, I'm joined by professional songwriter and recording touring artist, Gabe Shillman.
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Gabe has 14 years of experience of songwriting, of contract writing, and he has 20 years of experience with touring, so we're going to be talking to him about everything that he's up to and what he's going to be up to in the future.
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So, Gabe, thank you so much for joining me.
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It's my pleasure, so I'm very excited to be here.
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Why don't you start off by telling the listeners a little bit about yourself?
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Well, I'm, as you said, a full-time artist, songwriter, and I've been doing this for a very long time.
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I'm out on the road.
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Right now I'm in Monroe, wisconsin, and I play a show here tomorrow night and then I head up to north central Wisconsin and then back to Michigan and then I'm down in Nashville for the week for CMA Fest, and I'm always on the road.
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I live on the road.
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I don't have, I don't even have a home.
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I just I just travel and tour and do my music and songwriter showcases and things like that.
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It's an amazing life and I'm very, very grateful for it.
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I feel like the most blessed man on the planet.
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Absolutely Well, kind of explain to the listeners what you do and how you got started and what feels your passion to do what you are currently doing it's very important to get your songs out there and um to make sure that they're heard.
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Um, if they're not heard, then you know you, you can't sell them.
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You can't, um, you know you can't offer your services.
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So I, I tour around a lot.
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I play a lot of a lot, a lot, a lot of shows.
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Last year I played over 232 shows nationwide and um, I don't even know how many states, but a lot of states and um, um, so I, I play a lot of live, live shows, a lot of live performances.
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I do, uh, a lot of songwriter showcases and songwriter rounds.
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I take every, every opportunity that I can to get my name out there and my exposure up.
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I have an amazing band that I play with of just incredible artists, and you know accomplished musicians.
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You know guys with Grammy Awards behind them and you know guys that play with megastars and I'm always very, very grateful.
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You know that play with mega stars and I'm always very, very grateful.
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You know to have the resources that I do, but you know that's come from.
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You know 20, 25 years of um doing exactly what I'm doing right now, just putting myself out there.
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So it's um, you know it's a traveling life, it's a road life and, um, um, you know, like everything else, it it's a traveling life, it's a road life and, um, um, you know, like everything else, it's it's a job and and I and I treat it like such try to be as professional as I can and punctual.
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And, um, you know, when I, when I do have the opportunity to work and put myself in front of people, I try to give my absolute best every time that I do so.
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As far as you know what's inspired me to to do this, um, you know, I somebody told me a long time ago that music chooses you.
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You know, you don't, you don't choose it.
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Music chooses you and, um, when it chooses you, you're you're, you're chosen for life, you're going to be doing this for life, and if you try to go against the grain of that, then you're going to be absolutely miserable.
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And there's been times in my life where I've thought you know what, maybe this isn't for me and I kind of veered off on another path.
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But at the end of the day, I always came back to it because it chose me.
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So I'm a lifer, and once you accept that and you accept all that comes along with that, it becomes a high honor.
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It's a, it becomes a high honor and and it becomes something that you're um, you know, fully dedicated to.
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And if you're not, then then it's a uh, then it's a drag, but when you fully dedicate to it, it becomes very much a high honor.
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So I I started out when I was 15 years old and kind of just been going ever since.
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Okay, well, you are a contract writer, a professional contract writer, so explain to listeners what that is.
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Yeah, so I'm not currently under contract at this time, but I've been under contract for most of my career and what that means is that you know music is everywhere.
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It's in every store, it's in your cars, it's in every you know movie that you watch, it's in every television commercial that you watch.
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Music you know when you truly listen for it.
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It's literally everywhere.
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And there's a huge need for songs, whether that's marketing, whether that's.
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You know other artists that maybe not, maybe they don't consider themselves songwriters, but they're definitely performing artists.
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There's a need for songwriters and so when you, when you come under contract it's usually a record label or a marketing or promotional company, uh, uh, you know some sort and they, they need music and it's your job to write the music that they need.
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So they'll give you outlines and parameters.
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Um, you know, maybe you'll get a storyboard that, um, um, you know that you have to write a song to and you look at the images and you try to think of.
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You know the right chords, the right notes.
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You know every, every, every note sounds like something.
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Whether it's sad, happy, mad, every note sounds like something, an emotion.
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Every note sounds like something, an emotion.
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So when you look at a storyboard or you hear a concept, you try to find the notes that match that and you try to find the tempo that matches that.
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You try to find the, the lyrics that that are going to fit with that and you do your best as a songwriter to fit within those parameters.
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And that's essentially what a contract writer does.
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You know they write songs to fit needs and you know, occasionally I get to write a song.
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You know that I want to write and maybe that's appealing to another artist, maybe they can hear that and say I really like that song, which happens occasionally and they say, oh man, that's a great song, I'd love to have that on my album.
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And then you work out a contract with them and you either sell that song or license that song in some way, shape or form and you fill a need.
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That's what I think we're all here to do is see a need, fill a need.
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You know that's what I think we're all here to do is see a need, fill a need.
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And as a contract writer, that's exactly what you do.
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OK, well, talk about who influences you to do what you do.
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You know any musicians or anything like that, Any people in the industry.
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Who influences you?
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Man?
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That's a great question and I appreciate it.
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The you know, early in my career there was an artist there's still an artist, he's still.
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He's still a songwriter career.
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There was an artist and there's still an artist, he's still a songwriter.
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His name is John Cox, and John Cox was a songwriter in the 80s and 90s that was very influential in the Christian music scene and I just fell in love with his music.
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I fell in love with his lyrics and he was kind of the first artist that inspired me.
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I didn't grow up in a home that had a heavy music influence or presence and so, you know, as I started kind of getting into my teen years, I started listening to other things and I came across John Cox and he had an album called Sunny Day and I was just mesmerized by this album.
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I thought it was one of the greatest things that I'd ever ever heard and um, so John Cox was a very big early influence on me.
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Um, I started listening to, um you know, some other songwriters the older I got.
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There's an artist.
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His name is Joe Cartoon.
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Joe Cartoon is famous for creating JoeCartooncom, but he's also just an incredible, incredible songwriter and he's one of the most originally unique people that you've ever seen or heard.
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And then, most recently, I would say, zach Bryan has probably had a tremendous influence on me, I think.
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Lyrically and melodically, he's a breath of fresh air.
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He's somebody who's bringing three chords in the truth back to songwriting, and those, those are, I would say, my, my top three biggest influences as far as being a songwriter john cox um, who else would be?
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Um?
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John prine, obviously I, you know, I, I definitely love john Prine as well.
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But anyway, that would probably sum it up.
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Okay, well, tell us about some of the you know people, musicians, people in the industry you've had the opportunity to work with, and some of the people that you dream of working with one day.
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Yeah, you know, early in my career I was, you know, I considered myself a Christian songwriter and I got to work with.
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My first album was produced by Barry Blair, which was the guitar player for a very, very big Christian band called Audio Adrenaline.
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Audio Adrenaline was just one of the most influential bands of um the mid and late 90s and barry blair was the songwriter for audio adrenaline wrote some of their biggest hits and he became a very, very prominent producer and I had the good pleasure of working with him on my first album when I was about 15, 16 years old.
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He flew up to Grand Rapids, michigan, from Nashville and produced my album.
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So I was very proud of that.
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And then that album took me to Nashville when I was about 18.
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And I got to work with some just incredible people Winona Judd I got to open for, you know, as as a performing artist I got to open for REO, speedwagon, pat Green, gary Allen, styx you know a number of amazing people and played a few shows with Winona Judd.
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And you know I got to be introduced to the country music scene and even the rock world a little bit and I was very honored to do that.
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The first label that I signed with was called Little Chucky Records.
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The first label that I signed with was called Little Chucky Records.
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It was out of Oklahoma City and it was started by a guy named Chuck Goff, which is he's the reason that I wear my cuff 30 plus years just an incredible icon in the music industry, and he introduced me to.
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You know people like Kid Rock and Uncle Cracker and obviously, toby Keith, and I got to spend some time with those guys and that was, you know, an amazing, amazing experience, very inspiring.
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Most recently, you know, I've started working with.
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You know different producers that have that have just worked with.
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You know big artists, very, very iconic.
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You know historic artists.
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Ted Perlman is my producer and you know he worked with Bob Dylan and Diana Ross and Burt Bacharach and Chicago and all these amazing, amazing artists, and I got the opportunity to record a Bob Dylan song with him and to record a Bob Dylan song with with with Ted Perlman.
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You know the guy that actually played guitar for Bob and produced his albums and and, and knew him personally that that was a very, very high honor and, um, yeah, just, you know, the more you push into this industry, the more you get to meet these people that are just very, very real and, um, you know, yes, they're stars, but these, these are normal people that that um just have something to say and they figured out a way to say it and the conversation has been music.
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So I've been very fortunate in my career, but that's to list a few people.
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There's a few.
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Okay, well, tell us about any current projects or anything upcoming that you're going to be working on that the listeners need to be aware of.
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You know, talk about it as much as you can.
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Talk about what inspired it and anything else you want to say about it.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I appreciate the opportunity to do that.
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Last year we did a tour and when I say we, I've got an amazing team of people behind me and supporters and investors, and you know it takes a village to do this.
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You know, nobody can do it on their own and I think that's the downfall of a lot of artists is they're used to being independent and they want to be them.
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You know, they want to do everything themselves and that's how I've been for a lot of my career everything themselves and that's how I've been for a lot of my career.
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But you know, once I started opening the doors and letting people in, it's, it's, it's allowed me to do bigger things.
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So last year we announced we, we launched the united states of mind tour, which was a uh, uh, you know, a national tour, uh, theater tour, full production with the full band and everything, and, um, I had, uh, some amazing players play with me.
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And this year we're getting ready to launch, um, kind of the follow-up to that, which is really just taking that and that concept that we did with the united states mind tour and honing it.
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We're calling it the rustic revivalival Roadshow and what we're doing is going into rural areas, finding a need or a cause or a charity that we can work with, where we can help them raise funds, raise awareness, documenting everything with a documentarian and drawing attention to their cause and then raising money for that and then putting on a very, very good show.
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The Rustic Revival Roadshow kind of did a soft launch here recently where we raised some money for the city of Ridgeway, wisconsin, where we actually raised a significant amount of money and we're able to be a platinum contributor to assembling and constructing a war memorial in Ridgeway Wisconsin to honor our veterans, and that made me feel very, very good.
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Um, I've also raised a lot of funds for uh, we care, marinescom and tugs, tugsorg.
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Tugsorg is a um organization that works with people that have, you know, ptsd, um you know, um any kind of uh suicidal thoughts or hardships, and kind of helps them get through it.
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Tugs is an amazing organization that has worked with a lot of farmers like mom and pop farmers.
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People don't realize that there's kind of an epidemic across this country where mom and pop farmers are dealing with heavy debt loads and a lot of stress trying to compete with big ag and the suicide rate in that community is very, very high.
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So Tugs has done a very amazing job and taken on an amazing mission to try to alleviate some of that and bring solution to that problem.
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So you know, I put a cause behind what I'm doing and the Rustic Revival Roadshow is taking all of that and kind of honing it down and we'll be going to rural areas.
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And we'll be going to rural areas taking a big show to, you know, 1,000 or 1,500 seat venues and going into community not just to play a show but to raise funds for an organization that is important to that community, documenting all and drawing attention to that community and that cause, raising the money and then putting on a very, very good quality show.
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We'll have guest artists that come up and join me throughout the tour.
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You know everybody, from Cassidy Feasby, from the Dierks Bentley Band to my producer, ted Perlman, and a number of others, and that's in the works right now.
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That'll launch sometime in August as we put the schedule together.
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I'll have that available on my website at wwwkinggabecom and that's kind of our main focus right now.
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Other than that, you know I'm very excited to get down there and play, uh, cma fest in nashville this, this, uh, this year, 2025.
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Uh, that'll start in the first week of june.
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So here next week, I guess it is um, I'll be down at cma fest and you know I'll be doing a lot of interviews and and playing some shows right there in downtown nash.
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So we try to, you know, keep this train moving in any way, shape or form that we can.
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And that would be my best advice to anybody who is out there.
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You know, just go, just dive in, just get it going.
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You know, know that you have value, know that what you're bringing to the table has value, and know that it's going to take tremendous sacrifice, you know, to get what you want and do the things that matter, but in the end it's going to matter and you're going to feel very satisfied and grateful for the opportunity to do what you do.
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Okay, well, you just answered my next question.
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Your website KingGabecom.
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So close us out with some final thoughts.
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Maybe, if that was something I forgot to talk about, that you would like to touch on, or any final thoughts you have for the listeners.
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Well, you know, I I guess my final thoughts are I.
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I mentioned earlier that you, you can't do this alone and so many of us are so independent.
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In order to get into this industry, to choose it, you have to have a little bit of an independent mindset.
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So a lot of artists are very, very stubborn in that.
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I can do it myself, I can carry my amp myself, I can book my shows myself.
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But when you let your guard down just a little bit and allow people to come into your life and help because people want to help, they want to, especially if they love your music and they love what you're doing If you allow that to happen, the magical things can happen.
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You know where, where two or more are gathered, it's, it's, it's a it's, it's an incredible force.
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So I want to give a shout out to you know my, my team, darren Arand from Lena Illinois, very unsuspecting contributor.
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He's just been an incredible force behind me.
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And then Michelle Simler.
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She handles all of my booking and she runs my fan club, which is King Gabe's Village, on Facebook and TikTok.
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And you know investors that have come along and supporters, from John Hammer to you know Patty Wilkes, and you know a number of others and, of course, my producer, ted Perlman, just such an absolute legend and rock star.
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He believes in me and has just, you know, put a tremendous amount of faith in me.
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We're finishing up our LP right now and I'm very excited to release that sometime in 2025.
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But, you know, since I've put purpose behind what I'm doing and allowed people to come in and help man, that's made all the difference.
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It's not me against the world anymore, and I would encourage any artist out there that might be listening.
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You know, let your guard down just a little bit and, uh, let some people in, you know, accept the help that you've been reluctant to to accept.
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And, um, you know, uh, I'm not an overly religious person, but I, I I would say, trust God, you know, take a deep breath and trust that God's got you, and that's a very important thing to do because it's, you know, when you're in the driver's seat, it's a terrifying experience, it's not the best feeling at all, but when you know a higher power has got you, you can sit back, you can take a nap and breathe for a second, and I think that's very, very important to do.
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Otherwise the stress gets to you.
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You know, the money problems will get to you.
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There's plenty of money problems.
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You know you're in an industry where a lot of times it just doesn't produce a lot.
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