Oct. 26, 2025
Climbing New Mountains: Tim Reuben's Journey from Law to Literary Success
Send us a text xt In this engaging episode of Living the Dream with Curveball, we sit down with Tim Reuben, a Harvard-educated lawyer and newly minted author, who shares his fascinating journey from the courtroom to the creative writing world. Tim reflects on his extensive legal career in Los Angeles, where he founded his own litigation firm and has been a passionate advocate for justice. Now, as an empty nester and grandfather, he has embraced his long-held dream of writing fiction, culminat...
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In this engaging episode of Living the Dream with Curveball, we sit down with Tim Reuben, a Harvard-educated lawyer and newly minted author, who shares his fascinating journey from the courtroom to the creative writing world. Tim reflects on his extensive legal career in Los Angeles, where he founded his own litigation firm and has been a passionate advocate for justice. Now, as an empty nester and grandfather, he has embraced his long-held dream of writing fiction, culminating in his debut novel, "Tequila: A Story of Success, Love, and Violence." Tim provides listeners with a glimpse into the rich narrative of his book, which follows the Ramirez family across three generations, exploring themes of ambition, family loyalty, and the complexities of human relationships. He delves into the character development of Maria Ramirez, a compelling CEO, and Brian Youngman, a principled attorney caught in a web of intrigue and moral dilemmas. Join us for an insightful conversation about the intersection of law and storytelling, the challenges of balancing multiple careers, and the importance of pursuing one's passions at any stage of life. Tune in to discover how Tim's legal experiences shape his fiction and the valuable life lessons woven throughout his narrative.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Welcome to the Living the Dream podcast with Curveball. if you believe you can achieve. Welcome to the Living the Dream with Curveball podcast, a show where I interview guests that teach, motivate and inspire. Today I, am joined by author and lawyer Tim Rubin. Tim is a Harvard graduate. He founded his own litigation firm in Los Angeles and he also publishes articles about law and society.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>He just did his first book, so we're going to be talking to him about everything that he's up to, his book and anything else that he's going to be up to. So, Tim, thank you so much for joining me.
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> Tim Rubin>I'm delighted to be with you.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Curtis, why don't you start off by telling everybody a little bit about yourself.
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> Tim Rubin>Well, I did go to college into law school a long time ago, it seems, and moved out to Los Angeles, started my practice and, have been a litigator trial lawyer here in Los Angeles ever since. Tried a lot of cases, handled cases on appeal. And back in 92, I started my own law firm, which is still going strong. It's here in Los Angeles on the west side. I've recently started also a mediation practice. So I not only act as a lawyer, but as a mediator and try to solve disputes that people have using my past experience. But my most exciting thing, thing that I'm most into these days is writing creative fiction. And it was something I wanted to do all the way back in high school when I put first published my first short story long ago. What happened was that I wanted to write a novel, but I had to build my practice and attend to all the things I had to do as a lawyer.
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> Tim Rubin>And then of course, children came along and with four kids, I spent my time either working hard as a lawyer or spending my time as a dad coaching baseball, basketball, soccer. And now I'm an empty nester. I even have become a grandfather. Hooray.
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> Tim Rubin>So with the empty nester status, I don't have the kids anymore to take up the time. And I've started to write creatively. And I did it in part because I thought of it as a big mountain to climb. And I just wanted to climb that mountain. I climbed it.
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> Tim Rubin>It took about a year, year and a half to write because I was working as a lawyer also. So I had to find time during the day to try to write. And finally I got it done. And then of course I had to try to get it published, and that took a year too.
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> Tim Rubin>So anyway, that's a little bit about me. I'm now officially an author Writing creative fiction, as well as a lawyer and a mediator. And I'm still having fun doing all of those things.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Well, that's great. Congratulations on that. And you are also, you know, you publish articles about law and society, so tell the listeners about that.
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> Tim Rubin>Oh, yes. For years I tried to, talk about really all kinds of issues, all kinds of legal issues, but also issues that would impact people, and publish those in legal journals or other, kinds of, appropriate locations that primarily were viewed by lawyers or other professionals in the.
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> Tim Rubin>In the legal business. Sometimes they involved very real issues, such as, housing. other times they just would involve my criticism of the way a court was handling a particular case. so it was real, a real variety. I was everywhere from the criminal law to the divorce law to the probate law to regular civil law. I talked about all of it.
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> Tim Rubin>And, because I'm interested in the law and I care about the law. And so I've tried to make proposals and suggestions. And by the way, I've taken my legal knowledge and I've tried to use it in my creative writing because my, one of my main characters is a lawyer and scenes occur in courtrooms. So it's been helpful and supportive of me to, To. To write about, oh, cases, you might say, and then transfer that to some totally fictional scenarios and try to talk about the practice of law in a fictional way.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Okay, well, let's talk about your book. You know, tell the listeners about it, what they can expect when they read it and why you decide to write it and where they can get it.
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> Tim Rubin>Oh, well, first, TimRubin.com is my website, but you don't have to go there to order the book. You can just go straight to Amazon and put in the name, which is Tequila. Tequila. A story of success, Love and violence. I'm very proud of the book, and I think that it is a work that everyone can enjoy as long as they're adults. There's some racy stuff in there that, I don't know that I would want kids, too young to read about. But, it is otherwise something that I think you can have a lot of fun with. Now, the book, what brought me to write about it is simply my own legal experiences I suggested. I've seen so many people, so many situations over the years that characters were easy to create because they were just amalgamations. They were pieces of all the people that I have met and seen in all the scenarios over the years. And there's a wide variety of characters every kind of person. And there's good guys and bad guys, and they're very clear. You'll be able to tell the good guys from the bad guys, no problem.
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> Tim Rubin>So let me tell you a little bit about the story of Tequila. Tequila, talks about the Ramirez family.
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> Tim Rubin>Three generations. It is a family saga. The family starts in Tequila, Mexico, where a, relatively poor farmer takes his family's farm and grows and develops and distills Tequila. Well, he becomes ambitious, figures out how to make different kinds of Tequila. His wife helps him. And this is back in the 50s. And they start taking Tequila to the United States, and they develop it into a family business called ram. R M, A M. Ram. The story of Tequila is very much the story of RAM company. The RAM Company that takes tequila and then ultimately expands and takes it all over the world, sells it all over the world, starts to buys a scotch company, starts, importing beer, doing products, and ultimately creates hotels, where they own them all over the world. So one of the fun things about Tequila is not only is there a wide variety of characters, but we go to a lot of places. It's almost a travelogue. Yes, we start in Mexico back in the 50s, but we go three generations. And so we go to Los Angeles, we go to New York, we go to Houston, we go to Miami, and of course, we go back to Mexico many times. We also go to England, we go to London, we go to Scotland, we go to Paris, France, we go to the Cayman Islands, and around the Caribbean, we go to Jamaica. So there are lots of different locations as well as characters in Tequila. And that kind of keeps it fun. It keeps it moving along. And as we go through the history of this family and the development of their impressive multi billion, multi. Multi billion multifaceted company, of course, what happens in the Ramirez family is there is strife. And some people have described Tequila as succession meets narcos. Or if you're really old, you can go back to Dallas or Falcon Crest, and, that meets the Godfather because there's plenty of violence that happens because they have to deal with certain elements in Mexico. And then there's violence that happens in the family itself because of strife, because of greed, because of the challenges of running the company.
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> Tim Rubin>Now we have a wonderful, wonderful main character named Maria Ramirez, who is the CEO and the granddaughter of the founder. I love this character, and she is the main character that everybody, I think, will love. she is brilliant, fabulous, and yet she has flaws. And that makes her even more lovable, in my opinion. She's a mother. She wishes she was a better mother. She has uncertainties, and yet she acts with precision and she acts with intelligence. She's a very impressive character that I think most people will love. And that's a little bit about Tequila. It does, span three generations and it does move. I wrote it in short chapters, so it was easy for a reader to read a chapter, be, put it down for a little while while they go do their business, because I like short chapters. And then each chapter tends to move to a different place or, or person or circumstance, so you can keep moving.
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> Tim Rubin>People who have read Tequila say they just read it so fast because it flies. So I hope that any of the people that are listening today, if they get a chance, find that experience with it. It's just plain fun.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Well, speaking of Maria, talk about how you approach writing her.
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> Tim Rubin>Well, you know, I have had the good fortune of meeting some fabulous women, during my career.
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> Tim Rubin>Women who were exceptional, really sharp, dedicated, educated, understood business, also understood how people should act. and I took pieces of different wonderful women to mush m them together to combine them in, into creating this character. That was my goal. I wanted people, when they read about Maria, to love her as I came to love her. And so that's why she is all things that I think, anyone would want to aspire to be. She's successful, but self aware. She's kind to everybody, but she's tough. So. And she, she is willing to do what is necessary and very important. She is loyal to her family, arguably loyal to a fault. But that said, I think that's an important, moral, unethical way of thinking. I think it's important to be loyal to your family.
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> Tim Rubin>And so that's why I made Maria that way.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Well, let's talk about Brian Youngman, attorney Brian Youngman, who, you know.
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> Tim Rubin>Got,
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Caught up in, experiencing stuff like smuggling and murder. How much of his character was based on your own legal experience?
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> Tim Rubin>Well, I can't ever divorce my legal experience from my creation of a legal character. And of course, Brian Youngman, he is, a protagonist. He's also a good guy. He was a prosecutor because he didn't want to go into big law and make. He may make a lot of money, but bill a lot of fees to people for questionable value. I mean, the, the big law firms can build massive fees, and they do it by using many young lawyers who spend nights in libraries. He didn't want to spend his life that way, so he became a prosecutor. Because he cared about, justice. And he worked as a prosecutor for a number of years and then decided it was time to go out and hang his own shingle and start his own business, which was, of course, great, except then he got divorced. And divorce changed him, as it does with many people. And what he did was he learned about divorce law because he had to. And then he decided, hey, I can do this. Divorce law is not a bad way to be. So he becomes a family law attorney and is representing, people who are in disputes about children and the breakup of their marriage. Well, that's where we meet him. And what he comes in as is a lawyer who's got morals and ethics, but tries really hard to do well by his clients. He represents a woman named Nora who has married into the Ramirez family. And Brian, in representing Nora, has to, of course, take an adverse position to ram company. Nora wants her piece of the pie. Nora wants Brian Youngman to fight for her and get whatever she's entitled to out of the company. Well, the company doesn't like that. So initially, Brian and Maria are adverse.
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> Tim Rubin>They're against one another because she's. Maria's trying to protect her company, and Brian is representing his client in Los Angeles divorce court. Well, ultimately, things change because the two of them end up being on the same team, because of the problems that are created by, of course, one of her brothers, the evil Miguel. And Miguel is so evil. He is the kind of character that there's no debate about. I tried to make him worse as the book goes on. I think I did that. I think you found him become more and more of a horrible character. And they have to combine together, that is Brian, Maria, to combat Miguel and his nefarious plans. So I think Brian is a good man, but he is, shall we say, sometimes too restricted by his moral leanings. And that is one of the things that creates trouble for him. He has less flexibility than he should have, which is one of his faults. He's a good guy, but good guys make mistakes. He makes one or two during the. During the process. And he's not James Bond, but he knows how to handle himself in both. Not only in court, but out of court. And he does that during that time period where he represents Marie, represents, Nora in the case that he's handling. So that's Brian, and you'll see him in court, and you'll also see him in various dangerous situations.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Well, talk about how the story being written in multiple global locations influence the tone and pacing of the story.
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> Tim Rubin>Oh, I think it really helped the pacing of the story. it helps it in multiple ways. I mean, first of all, by the way, it's just plain fun to move around the world, isn't it? So it helps because it, the reader changes locations and suddenly you're interested in, okay, you're in the Cayman Islands, oh, now you're in Paris for example. So that kind of change is stimulating I think, and, and exciting. And also we talk about the locations and it's fun. If you can't be in the location sometimes it's fun to read about the different places. So it's helped the pacing and I think it, it creates a kind of as I say, a bit of a travel log, a bit of a, running around and having good experiences in different places. Of course not everything good happens in some of those locations. Some of those locations there's some pretty violent activity. But that is the world that we live in sadly. And it's part of the entertainment function. So the locations are key to the pacing and also to the continued interest in the story. I'm, I'm happy with that. And as I have, have continued to write and I'm writing more Brian Youngman books, I have one in draft that I hope will come out next year and, and one on the drawing board. I like to go places. So they'll all have various locations that we talk about in the books all around the world. And I have that as my plan.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>So family loyalty and betrayal, essential themes in your book. So what do you think that makes families so fertile for high stakes drama?
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> Tim Rubin>Well, you know, they say that every family has drama, every family has issues. And I, I think everyone in the world will acknowledge that one.
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> Tim Rubin>It doesn't matter who you are in this world. If you're fat, if you're in a family, there's going to be tensions and issues and challenges and things that happen along the way. and sometimes they're the most beautiful things in the world.
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> Tim Rubin>the, the love of a child is a perfect example. the duty to a father or a parent or a grandparent.
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> Tim Rubin>Those things are important and they're maybe in some ways the most important things that we experience in our lives. So I don't think there's any question that family is a centerpiece in my mind. And loyalty, family, family, and maybe forgiveness and maybe patience. Sometimes we don't have the forgiveness or patience that we ought to have. Maria is an example of someone who has exceptional patience and understanding with her two wayward brothers, Miguel and Tommaso. In fact, one of her faults, as she acknowledges, is she has too much patience and understanding with those brothers. And then they get themselves and the company in trouble because she's a little bit too understanding and gives them a little bit too much leeway. Well, I suppose most family members have made that mistake with other family members by giving them a little bit too much of a break and then being surprised. that is the nature of life.
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> Tim Rubin>So I do think family, is what Tequila is about.
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> Tim Rubin>And it's funny because someone once said that the Godfather, great, great film, that really was about the Mafia, but was also about family and family dynamics. And, I think that is what we all experience. I think that's what we'll all identify with. People will look at Maria and say, I understand why she was overly indulgent of her brothers. And she, they'll look at Zotero, the founder of Tequila. I understand why he was trying to create a company that helped support his family for all time. way after his death. He expected that company to go on. And you'll understand why in times revenge was taken against those who attacked the family, sometimes in a, a bloody way.
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> Tim Rubin>In this book, I think people will identify with all those things because everyone is part of a family that has issues.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Well, what do you hope that listeners take away from reading your book?
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> Tim Rubin>Well, the first thing I want them to do is have fun. I, I, I'm okay if all you do is you read the book and you say, gee, that was a fun read and, I enjoyed it. I had a good time, and, and move on. I don't, I don't, sure, I'm, I've got ethics and ideas and hopes for them. I hope they see a lot of these places we talk about and say, hey, I want to travel more. I want to go visit different kinds of worlds, different kinds of towns and places, in this world. I hope that they also recognize that there are so many different kinds of people in the world. There's a variety of folks, and every person in the world might be interesting in their own way. I tried to create that level of variety and be more interested and open to people of different backgrounds, because that's of course, what I'm hoping Tequila has in it. People of different backgrounds and different points of view. I also have, as you heard, some ideas about morality. I hope that reader wants to be like the good guys and never wants to be anything like the bad guys. I I want them to recognize that bad guys are bad and good guys are good. And I'll just be like the good guys. And I hope that they take away from it certain ethics such as the importance of family and the importance of honesty and the challenges in relationships of dealing with controversy because controversy happens all, in all relationships. So that's a lot of stuff I'd love the readers to take away. But it's okay if you just read the book and have fun.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>Okay. Well, besides, I know you mentioned a couple of projects that you're working on, but is there anything else that you're working on that listeners need to know about?
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> Tim Rubin>Well, I do hope to have several, books in this series where Brian Youngman is a character. The prequel has him in his time as a prosecutor and he's then also in, in defense. And I have actually, in the prequel, a whole jury trial, planned, actually written, as part of it. And it does have some also violence in it because we have a serial killer in that book. So it's a, it's a, it's a bit of a thriller. and that is, you know, I think thrillers can be kind of scary sometimes because talks about pretty bad people. but it also is fascinating because I describe so much about how these trials happen, these criminal trials.
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> Tim Rubin>Then, the, the sequel, which comes later is, is what happens to The Ramirez family 10 years down the pike after the end of Tequila. Because Tequila has a ending and it, you can read it, it's self contained. But, then I try to create a story that happens 10 years after when everybody has somewhat changed because 10 years changes a person a little bit and kids grow up and they start becoming more active. So all of those things will be coming down the pike in due course. I can't write it immediately because I'm, still working. So I come into the office every day and I have mediation or legal matters to attend to. And then if I can, I will try to get home a little early. And what I found is I write during cocktail hour, which is kind of funny. Instead of having a cocktail myself, I might write a chapter in a book. And since my book is named Tequila, that's the ironic twist is that I'm not drinking tequila during the cocktail hour. I'm writing the book Tequila or any of these other books during the cocktail hour and hopefully getting something done before my wife tells me I'm supposed to come to dinner. So that's, that's the plan for the future.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>We'll throw out your website again and close us out with some final thoughts. Maybe if that was something I forgot to touch on, that you would like to talk about it. Any final thoughts you have for the listener?
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> Tim Rubin>This. Well, first of all, my website, Tim Rubin dot com. Now you have to spell Reuben, right?
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> Tim Rubin>Because it's R U B N. Tim rubin.com does have some interesting features, that have been created. Both has reviews of the book. It's some description of the book. It has some more information about me and, and it also has some fun little things, that they created on over the. About the concept of Tequila that, are enjoyable. A couple of little taped interviews, that kind of thing. So if you're interested in Tequila, take a look@timrubin.com and you can also order it from there. If you go to Amazon, you put in Tequila. But if you just put in Tequila, you might be just buying bottles of Tequila. So you better put in Tequila, Tim Rubin or Tequila. and the subtitle is, is going to get you there. A story of success, love and violence.
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> Tim Rubin>And that'll help you find Tequila much more easily on Amazon.
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> Tim Rubin>Now, final thoughts. I. I want to talk a little bit about what I did as someone who has shifted from just practicing law, or in my case practicing law and mediating, to doing something entirely different. And I want to encourage your listeners that they can make changes and do something new.
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> Tim Rubin>It doesn't mean just because you're, in your 60s, for example, or your 50s, that you can't take a new direction. I took this new direction and it was really fun for me. I mean, I have a lot of fun writing. The writing involves not just putting words on a page, but sometimes you'll research issues because you want to put down accurate information about locations or other kinds of issues. In this, Tequila, I had to research what are edible plants, for example, on an island I didn't actually know. And so that's in Tequila because there's experiences on an island in Tequila. And that's part of the growth and enjoyment of life. So I hope your readers do enjoy life, and listeners do enjoy life, and, and are not afraid to do something new and different, even as they get a little bit older, take off into a new direction, do something that they've been thinking about but hadn't gotten around to because life got so busy. So that's the point that I would probably end on.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>All right, ladies and gentlemen, timrubin.com R E U B E N Please be sure to check out that book, check out those articles, keep up with everything that Tim's up to follow, Rate, Review, share this episode to as many people as possible and for more information on the Living the Dream with Curveball podcast, or if you yourself would like to be a guest and you have an amazing story to tell, visit www.craveballuh337.um com. Thank you for listening and supporting the show. And Tim, thank you for all that you do. And thank you for joining me.
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> Tim Rubin>Well, thank you, Curtis. It's been a pleasure.
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> Curtis Jackson (also known as DJ Curveball)>For more information on the Living the Dream with Curveball Podcast, visit www.craveball337.com until next time, keep Living the dream.
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