Almost 80% of businesses have a handwriting analysis completed as part of their hiring process. Teresa Abram is a:
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✍️ host of the podcast “A Most Unusual ‘T’ Party” which uses the letter T to unlock pieces of your story.
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Almost 80% of businesses have a handwriting analysis completed as part of their hiring process.
Teresa Abram is a Graphologist, Handwriting Analyst, and host of the Podcast “A Most Unusual ‘T’ Party” which uses the letter T to unlock pieces of your story.
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Graphologist & Handwriting Analyst, Teresa Abram, is the host of the podcast “A Most Unusual T Party” which uses the letter T to unlock pieces of a person’s story.
Teresa is a member of the American Handwriting Analysis Foundation.
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Michelle St Jane: [00:39:] Every stroke tells the story, as Teresa Abram says. She's a professional handwriting analyst or graphologist as well as the founder of handwriting PI. This is a business built to help companies navigate challenges of employee selection, retention, and security.
I encourage you to follow her. She is setting the pace in handwriting analysis and podcasting. Teresa studies a person's handwriting to assess their character, attitude, and experience. I quote Teresa who says “handwriting is like cooking or painting, just as there are only so many colors and flavors, there are 26 letters and it's how you combine them. That sets your apart”.
I just love this. Teresa, did you become a graphologist by choice or by chance?
Teresa Abram: [00:01:25] I think taking it professionally, Michelle, definitely by choice. But actually getting the knowledge about it and learning how to do it was totally by chance. I just happen to be born into a family where this kind of thing is totally normal and I grew up with it.
Michelle St Jane: [00:01:41] Oh boy, family influences. They could be such fun. I'm going to share a little story because of my great grandfather in Wales. He used to send his family, my grandmother and her family in New Zealand, a postcard every Monday. I'd never met him and I did not know about this practice. Decades later an aunt of mine came to visit me at university and every Monday when I had my coffee break, I would sit down and I would write postcards, to my family around the world, only to find out that I was carrying on a family tradition. Being left-handed, meant I had to be really careful not to be smearing the ink and I had to write quite small because I had to get quite a bit on a postcard.
Teresa Abram: [00:02:22] Yes, indeed. I just love that story, Michelle.
Michelle St Jane: [00:02:25] Sometimes you can be carrying on family traditions and not knowing it. There is something around handwriting. I think Julia Cameron says we write W R I T E to right R I G H T
Teresa Abram: [00:02:37] So true. I mean, we think of handwriting as just putting pen to paper and it's our hand, but it's not, it's coming from our brain.
The nervous system is involved with it, our chemicals, and how our entire body is functioning that day actually comes into play in how we handwrite. So it is really a very personal snapshot every time you put pen to paper, it is a reflection of who you are and how you were feeling right at that moment.
Michelle St Jane: [00:03:05] What a great way to show up in the world. I mean, we can do it verbally. We can also be putting pen to paper, as you said, when I thought of a graphologist, I was thinking forensic and psychology. I mean, the field is wide open. How did you come to specialize?
Teresa Abram: [00:03:21] Graphology is sort of that entry-level into all of the more forensic and scientific parts.
Graphology is really, it's just taking the strokes that you put on paper. It's the graphic movement that you put on paper. Then take a look at it and saying, “How does this work in comparison with all of the data that we have?” There have been lots of studies to show that 99% of the people are going to do it this way.
If you're doing it this way, it means something very specific. It's just a matter of learning and doing. Practicing, practicing, practicing, gathering samples, looking at them, analyzing them, reading, and comparing. There are peer review groups that you can go through as well.
For me, the graphologists part is really just kind of that entry-level. I haven't taken it yet to the step to be able to do forensics. That’s a different document examination. There's a lot more measurement involved with that. You have to have a lot more different samples to go with it. You wouldn't ever just invite somebody to send you one sample and give them an analysis back.
For me, graphology is more entry-level. I also find it to be the most satisfying. I'm not one to sit down and measure, measure, measure, measure, and then keep on measuring and comparing it to another sample that I've only measured. I really like to get to know the person behind the handwriting and not just the facts about the handwriting.
Michelle St Jane: [00:04:36] My experience of having had the opportunity for you to analyze my handwriting is that you came across to me as very intuitive, sensitive, and uplifting. Clearly, you were curious, interested, and engaged. You were uplifting. You gave me some pointers about what I did well. You gave me some pointers about where you would encourage me to not continue. Such as a practice of not double-crossing my T’s.
Explain that double cross of my T’s and the negativity.
Teresa Abram: [00:05:08] Lovely. Thank you so much for that description. That is really beautiful. The part of that that just really touches me is that is really my whole outlook on life. I really feel it's important for us to uplift one another and to simply extend understanding to people rather than judgment.
It's so important just to say, what is it from this person's point of view and how can I help them? Or do I just need to stand back and give them the space to help themselves? That's part of that question. Thank you for that beautiful compliment.
Now, as far as your double-crossing T's, you're right I did mention that ever so briefly when we were talking. I just said that's maybe it’s not the greatest thing to do. A double-cross T is usually the sign of somebody who is a little bit anxious. We see that in people who might start to doubt themselves, like it's an example of if you leave the house and then you're thinking, did I actually lock the door? Then you have to maybe even go back, depending on how severe that trait is.
In yours, you did it only a couple of times. It wasn't super severe. You might actually have to go back to check. Did you really lock the door? Because otherwise, it's going to keep on bothering you. The proverbial, did I turn the oven off? Taken to the extreme where you actually have to go back and check on the oven. If you stop double-crossing those T's, you're also going to release some of that anxiety and that need to double-check and recheck yourself.
Michelle St Jane: [00:06:30] Great wisdom. I have been very cautious and being observant of not doing that because I am one of those people who will think, “did I leave the oven on?” You know, it was a great tip to look out for, and knowing I could take action. It wasn't like that anxiety couldn't be dealt with that was a very beneficial outcome.
Teresa Abram: [00:06:50]Oh, that's wonderful.
Michelle St Jane: [00:06:51] The science of handwriting analysis has a really long history and I'm going to come back to that in just a second. I'm curious to know who your favorite philosophers or one philosopher would be.
Teresa Abram: [00:07:03] My favorite philosopher? Oh my goodness. That's a pretty big question. I know that I really did like a lot of what Aristotle said, just so much of it was so practical and so straightforward and in fact is still so applicable today. We can take a lot of what he said and it's used, and I think he's actually the one that said, “know thyself.” That's the most important thing that you can do. To me, it's like I wholeheartedly believe that. That self-awareness knowing ourselves is our job. That's why we're here. In order to be fulfilled and doing the best that we can in this world, we have to know ourselves first.
Michelle St Jane: [00:07:37] Absolutely. I think you take from the philosophers, the fact that a person's writing provides insight into character and personality. I would love for you just to share how can leaders and organizations use a graphologist?
Teresa Abram: [00:07:52] There are many different ways that you can use it once you start to understand what it can reveal.
Right now, during COVID times, because so many companies are working remotely, you're not even around that person all of the time. No longer can you even get that sense of, “is this person feeling okay? Are they feeling off? Are they up? Are they down? Is there something bothering them?” Quite often we get that from people's energy when we're around them. We can just start to tell they're not feeling so great. But because we're working virtually, we're distanced. We no longer have that immediate connection with people.
If you start asking people to write something by hand, you can see it and you can start to see if there are any big changes and you know, you want to bring it up. It's amazing how handwriting changes, even though it stays the same on one level, there are little nuances that will change that indicate this person is struggling.
Maybe they need a little bit more help. Maybe they need a bit more one-on-one, so it's a really great way to stay clued in to how are your employees actually feeling, despite what's coming out of their mouth?
Michelle St Jane: [00:08:52] What a great tool, and it's been around a long time. I noticed on your website, you said “in Europe, the study of handwriting has been going strong since the 1600s.”
That's a great idea for companies, you shared had a little bit about why. I was delighted with the analysis you gave. Why would someone seek to get their handwriting on a personal level analyzed?
Teresa Abram: [00:09:13] I think the best thing for people to understand is that when you're doing a handwriting analysis and you're getting it analyzed, it's a picture of who you are right now. Anybody who is looking at self-discovery, anybody who's wanting to become self-aware. I think as a leader, that’s super important. You need to be self-aware if you're going to be an effective leader.
When you take a handwriting sample and we do an analysis of it, it is very much at this moment, who are you? What is the present for you? Sometimes, as people, we get stuck on who we were. We have this idea, “This is who we are,” but it's really based on who we were. Not who we are and we have blinders on and we can't see it for ourselves. So even when we go online, we might take a personality test, we might take some sort of an assessment, we're answering those questions based on our own interpretation of who we are.
When you give a graphologist your handwriting to analyze, we don't have any of those biases. We're looking at the paper. We see who you are right now. Who are you?
I think that's the most valuable part. We can strip away some of those blinders and bring you up who are you right now? Not who you were.
Michelle St Jane: [00:10:19] I'm curious, what was the most surprising thing that's happened when you've done an analysis?
Teresa Abram: [00:10:26] Hmm, the most surprising thing? That's a tough one. I think people are often surprised by the depth of knowledge and the depth of insight that they get, that they can receive, from handwriting analysis.
I think one of the best ones, and I kind of think it's funny as well, which doesn't often happen in graphology, usually, people are more surprised, and then they might cry. There was one that was a surprise.
I find it kind of funny because I was doing an analysis with another podcast host, and she had said, “you know what, I'm an open book. You can talk about anything you like on my show when you do this analysis.” I said, “Oh, that's awesome. Thank you for that.” Usually, people will say, “please don't talk about this or that.” They'll have little rooms that they don't want public. She was like, “nope, it's wide open. There's nothing that you can say that I will not be comfortable with.”
When I did the analysis, the most striking part was something that she had never shared with any of her followers. She is like, “that's the one area I never talk about.” It was just kind of funny because she's like, “I don't know how you did that. I don't know how you know it, but there's no way that you were doing any research on me because even if you had, you would never have found that information.” I think she was really surprised that the one thing that she's a little bit reticent about talking about is the one thing that showed up so profoundly in her handwriting.
Michelle St Jane: [00:11:48] That was my experience. You also did that to me. I had put it in my handwriting about an issue I'd been dealing with for over a decade. I was so amazed because you said to me, “the body speaks through our handwriting.” I got some feedback. The listeners will have to listen to that episode to hear more on this.
As a guest on your podcast, I got some feedback that was an ah-ha moment. Although I think I debated it with you and explored a couple of things. I did have an ah-ha moment that was unexpected for me.
I've spent a decade trying to unravel this issue. Then from my handwriting, you basically said “the body speaks” and then you said, “this is what I'm seeing” and I'm going, “ah, ha did not see that coming.”
A good advertisement for the wonderful things, the surprising and the unexpected. It can be beneficial, even if it's unexpected.
Teresa Abram: [00:12:35] Yes. That's so true. Isn't it? It can be unexpected and takes you by surprise because it's not what you're expecting. I think that's the thing when we're doing handwriting, there are so many different pieces to it that we can't consciously keep them all in mind.
You might start to focus and say, “okay, I want to be neater, because I know somebody else is going to read this.” She's trying to be neater, or you might say, “I really want to focus on my spelling,” but there are so many other layers to it. You can't consciously keep them all upfront. The body has this way of still getting the message out, still getting it through.
Michelle St Jane: [00:13:09] It's a message I could have only got by you analyzing my handwriting. I really appreciated that popping up. That was a totally unexpected bonus. You speak to the fact that there's a distinctiveness to handwriting when it's being assessed. Any strategies or tips? For example, one of my takeaways was not to double-cross the T.
Is there anything that's a typical oops, that's not a good thing to do, or this is a good thing to do?
Teresa Abram: [00:13:36] Great question. There are definitely red flags in handwriting. Like that double-cross T it’s always something that we look at and say, “hmm, this one we may want to just check on to see how severe it is.” There are definitely things that happen in handwriting that when they happen, you want to be aware of. Some of them, actually, all of them, have to be taken in context too. So to say a hundred percent, there's something that is always going to be a red flag is a little tougher.
I think if I had to choose one, I would say focus on not entangling your lines if you notice that when you're writing on unlined paper. You're going to take a blank sheet of paper if you write and you notice that the lower zone, those bottom parts of your Y's, your J's, your G’s, your Z’s, if they get entangled with the line below, that is an indication that you're feeling a little bit confused. That there's not a lot of mental clarity there.
If you could just focus on giving yourself space. Make each line separate by thinking a little bit ahead and just make sure that when you start that next line, you have space for it to happen below the writing of the other line.
I think that is probably my number one tip because so many people right now, are looking for clarity. They are looking for focus and that is a really simple way of doing it. It's just to separate those lines out.
Okay. I'll go a little technical, I'll go just a little bit technical here because your lower zone, which is those tails of your Y's and your G’s and your P‘s and your Z’s, that's indicating your subconscious. It's representing your drives for the physical drive for activity, for sex, your money drive, all of that type of stuff is going on below the line.
Typically, if you're entangling it, you're entangling it with the upper zone of the next line, and the next, that upper zone is all about the intellect. It's about your mind, it's about your thinking, it's about big ideas, dreams, and hopes. When you're entangling the two it's showing that you don't have a way forward. You are confused. It is very much so if you just separate the two, it's really going to help you to feel like you can find a way forward with positivity and focus.
Michelle St Jane: [00:15:38] What can you tell from a signature and why would you analyze it?
Teresa Abram: [00:15:44] Great question. A signature is very specific. We create our signature to be a public representation of ourselves. We leave it in place of ourselves, and we're saying, yes, this is me. When I sign my name here, it says, I agree with it. It is me agreeing to this or doing this or leaving or writing it or whatever we did.
So it's a public representation of who we are. What it shows us is who we want to be seen as in public. So it shows who it is that we want to be seen as in public. Our normal handwriting shows who we are in private. Between the two, it can show us, is this person the same in private as they are in public?
One of the most striking ones to see is if somebody has a signature that slants to the right they're showing that they really want to be seen as a people person in public, which is great. There's no problem with that. That's an awesome trait to have. It means they're going to be thinking of other people, and probably make easy connections with them.
If you look at their handwriting and you see it slanting to the left, it shows you that really and truly that person is not as much of a people person as they want you to believe.
Michelle St Jane: [00:16:58] Wow. That is very useful. I'm all about a conscious journey. I have spent the majority of my life getting my insides to match my outsides.
In other words, being authentic, it's exhausting to try and be something that you're not.
Teresa Abram: [00:17:19] It is. It really, truly is.
Michelle St Jane: [00:17:20] You are the host of ‘A most unusual T party.’ A fabulous podcast that's all about the power of the talkative T. Teresa is not talking about the drinkable tea. Although I did have a cup when I was recording my episode with you. I really enjoyed being a guest on the love languages series. It was an awesome experience and certainly a gift of reflection around a major area of my life, as I mentioned earlier. Tell us about the T. Why would you podcast about the T?
Teresa Abram: [00:17:51] Yes, the letter T in my podcast, A most unusual tea party.
That's what I do is, I really focus on the letter T to unlock a person's personality. The reason that I choose a T is not that my name starts with a T. That has nothing to do with it. In fact, the letter T is just really talkative. It has over 450 ways to be made. That alone is very distinctive and how you choose to make it.
It also uses a lot more of our muscle coordination. We have to go up and down. we go side to side. Plus we have the choice of, do we actually pick the pen up off paper to cross the T or do we keep the pen on the paper to cross the T. Then there's the whole thing of, do we even cross the T at all? There are a lot of different pieces to making a T and each one of those can tell us a little bit more about a person. That's why I choose the letter T to focus on.
Michelle St Jane: [00:18:45] I’m curious, what's your next favorite letter?
Teresa Abram: [00:18:47] My next favorite letter would be? I often find myself looking at the letter Y or the letter G. Either one of those ones because they again are very talkative. I think the letter G more so than the letter Y, because whether or not you close that circle part of the G tells us a lot. Whether you make it elliptical. Whether you create like a figure eight, rather than an actual G. Whether you close the loop on the bottom, whether there is no loop. There are so many variations to the letter G and each one again tells us something a little bit more insightful about the person.
I think my next favorite letter would be the letter G.
Michelle St Jane: [00:19:25] Well, I was thinking you might go with an A?
Teresa Abram: [00:19:29] How come an A? What is it about the B that you think would be interesting?
Michelle St Jane: [00:19:32] BI is your first name, BI is your last name, but there is again, A is another one, there are so many ways to write an A, but I am not an expert.
Teresa Abram: [00:19:40] When we're looking at handwriting, it's always about your lower case letters. We take a look at the uppercase letters, but it's very limited what we're looking for with those because those aren't going to give us a lot of information. We want to focus on your lower case, and the lower case A, there's not a lot we can gain from it. It's pretty straightforward and the same sort of information we can also get from the O.
Michelle St Jane: [00:20:03] Cool. I'm going to go back to your podcast again. Did you get into that by choice or by chance?
Teresa Abram: [00:20:08] That was by choice, and yet by chance. I wish it was an easy answer. I think overall it was by choice because when I started Handwriting PI in April of 2020 at that point we were just at the very beginning of COVID. We really didn't have a clue of how it was going to progress. My entire marketing strategy was based on in-person events and networking, talking to people, and doing much analysis for them on the spot.
When COVID came around and it was said, “Oh, actually, we're not going to be doing any of that anymore.” I needed to find another way to get the message of graphology out there, saying, “this is what I can do. This is how I can help you.”
By chance, my daughter and my son are podcasting. They were all about podcasting. They're like, “this is absolutely where you need to go.” It was really by chance that it was my kids, who told me about podcasting and gave me the support that I needed to actually get past the learning curve and start and actually publish it, I'm ever so grateful that they did that.
I absolutely adore doing podcasting.
Michelle St Jane: [00:21:09] It is an unexpected bonus. There you were starting in April - May. I was sitting in quarantine thinking, what am I going to do? I had this feeling, I'm not going back to the office. I am not getting on a plane. And I love to do public speaking. I love to do research. When I kind of meditated around that podcasting popped into my head.
I kid you not. I had to go and Google, “what is a podcast.” Then my ah-ha moment “Oh, this would be awesome.” Then got myself knee-deep in doing it. That was April – May. Then about mid-August, I wanted to launch on the 1st of September. I'm thinking, “oh, I'm going to have to give up” and then an awesome team crossed my path and everything launched.
I am having so much fun and meeting amazing people like yourself.
2020 has just been meeting so many awesome people, who've started podcasting, but the power of it and the feedback I've been getting. I never got that kind of feedback from public speaking. It was all so well received. I love doing it. Podcasting is just creating this whole diverse reach and opportunity to speak the truth out into the sort of digital sands of time and have it captured like a beautiful living legacy in ether space. I'm having so much fun. I can tell by your face, you are too.
Teresa Abram: [00:22:31] Oh, so true. And I love when you were talking about how, you know, you love being a public speaker. I was just thinking of my own journey, where that was my biggest hiccup. I'm just like, I am not a public speaker.
Getting up in front of people is not my forte. My biggest struggle with podcasting was actually listening to my own voice and having to do the editing and hear myself. That was a huge hurdle for me to overcome. Now that I'm on the other side of it, it's amazing to me because for most people, when they hear my podcasts or they do the aha experience with me, the one thing that they always comment on is the fact that my voice is so gentle and that they just feel relaxed by it because it is gentle. I always think that's kind of funny because to me, that's my biggest cross to bear is to hear my voice on tape.
Michelle St Jane: [00:23:15] Oh, your gentle voice was definitely my experience as well. I'm so grateful for your presence in the world. The gift of your knowledge, sharing, and creating innovative content.
Teresa Abram: [00:23:29] Thank you, Michelle. That was a beautiful compliment and I truly appreciate that. You were an absolute delight to have on my show. I can't wait to air it.
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The host of the podcast “A Most Unusual T Party” which uses the letter T to unlock pieces of a person’s story.
Teresa is a member of the American Handwriting Analysis Foundation.