Feb. 23, 2022

21st Century Reinvention Strategist: From Courtroom to🎙️️Global Connector

21st Century Reinvention Strategist: From Courtroom to🎙️️Global Connector

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Dr. Michelle St Jane believes with great hope that each of us through our leadership serves as examples of what a new legacy for the future could be.

By sharing her leadership experiences over the decades, she hopes to create a path and future for those on a conscious journey by sharing the complexity of transferring the wisdom. 

She shares, “that it is in the depths of times endured and enjoyed that our contributions and learnings that the wisdom rises in us to serve others.”

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Intro: You're listening to Life and Leadership: A Conscious Journey. The podcast that shares wisdom and strength. Join your host, Dr. Michelle St Jane's weekly conversation on how to have a positive impact for people, planet, and the wider world. If you want to live a life of intention, to be proactive with your time and bring your vision for the future to live one today at a time, you’re in the right place at the right time. Let's get started. 


Thad Hollis: [00:00:40] Hello and good day. My name is Thad Hollis. I've got the honor and privilege of conducting an interview with Michelle St Jane. I've known Michelle for, I'd say close to 30 years. It's somewhere in that vintage. We go back to the nineties together when we were both trying to feel our way through various aspects of life.

Thad Hollis: [00:01:00] As we were navigating both industrial relations, human rights. The legal framework, our own recoveries, as we were looking at life and formed a friendship and a bond that is actually covered these three decades as human rights, mediators, as advocates in various fields, collaborating with different things.

Thad Hollis: [00:01:20] It's just been a wonderful journey. I have truly been enhanced and enriched by the partnership that Michelle's brought to me and has actually taught me to stretch beyond what I would my comfort zone. And I know that she's done that for hundreds of others. And so, with that little bit of an introduction, I'm going to let Michelle now come in and we're going to have a conversation to talk about her amazing and astounding life influenced so many.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:01:47] Boy, do we go back some decades and what a privilege to have you do this.

Thad Hollis: [00:01:51] Thank you. When you invited me to interview you, I was like, I wouldn't know where to begin. There's been so many facets of this evolution I’ve admired and watched that continues today. When, I mean, just when you went off to do a PhD.  I went “what!”

Thad Hollis: [00:02:07] That blew me away. 

I want to talk a little bit about the leadership that has inspired you. I mean, you've had four diverse careers, basically, over the last 30 years, it's been interesting because each has built from the foundation that began in the nineties and has continued today and continues to evolve and inspires me in particular and I'm sure many others.

I'll kick it off with a question and say: 

When you were beginning early legal career and we had conversations, so I know that you wanted to be different. You wanted a legal practice that was going to be open and attainable, and you called it Kairos. Maybe you could explain to the listener where that came from and what the philosophy is, because out of this built into where we are today.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:02:59] Yes. Kairos means to be on spiritual time. In fact, I named the law firm that before I even knew what Kairos meant. 

It was one of those things that came to me during those times of contemplation, prayer, and meditation. I just knew it was the right name. 

Yet it wasn't until the first year of the social enterprise, when someone said, “oh, Kairos, that's religious.”

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:03:21] That’s when I looked up the name and found out it meant to be on spiritual time. The name was also Greek. Kairos was one of the twin sons of Zeus. The other is Kronos that's to be on the clock. Kairos is to be in spiritual time. 

About falling into law. Well, when I was young, about 10 years old. I remember being on holiday at a beach visiting with paternal cousins, I hadn't met before.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:03:45]  I remember we were all talking about what we wanted to be when we grow up. I said, “I’m going to be a lawyer.” Everyone laughed at me. This hurt and in fact, I was a C student at school. I felt they knew something I didn't know.  I kind of panicked at that and thought, “Oh Lord, I can't type, I can't waitress.  I can babysit. Is that what I’m going to have to do?”

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:04:04] This was at a time when I was raised in New Zealand, where women were not expected to have careers and had little to no access into university.  That was my other secret dream. I wanted to go to university.  Finally, I did as a result of going through times that I had to endure. Very dark times.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:04:22] Again, I had this opportunity to experience what I call a divine wink, and that led to going to law school. I actually argued my way in four hours and had three weeks to get. Which is quite a feat when you're coming from one side of the world to the other side of the world, and you're not even living in the country of your birth.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:04:39]  I borrowed a high school friend's mother to help me find the university. I, also, borrowed $300 from my high school friend. 

Part of that divine wink was that this was a brand-new law school. I was in the third year of intake. That law school, although it was a black letter law school, they’d added another platform which was to “practice law in the context of society,” which really resonated with me.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:05:09] One of my heroes Mahatma Gandhi. He's known for saying, “be the change you wish to see in the world.” He was a lawyer, who trained in England and practiced in South Africa. He built on that career to do the most amazing things with peace and tolerance and take on one of the world's superpowers at that time. Mahatma Gandhi was my example as a woman facing discrimination, with few resources.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:05:34]  Now being intelligent was working against me until life got really difficult. And it was a matter of taking a path less traveled. 

When I came into law when there were very few women practicing. Now the head of their law school at the time was Margaret Wilson, an amazing Living 🦄 Legend in New Zealand serving in many areas ranging from politics as well as being the Dean of the law school.  She's just an amazing mover and shaker. 

Thad Hollis: [00:05:59] You started a social enterprise law firm over 20 years ago? 

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:06:03] KAIROS is coming up to its 20th year, Valentine's day, 2022. The succession plan to transfer the leadership over to the next generation has been in effect. We're still an all-woman law firm. I ran it for the first 15 years. I haven't been for the last seven, although I've kept a role in terms of the managing director. Serving as needed since 2015. Having stepped out of the practicing as a lawyer the firm has gone much deeper into access to justice in different ways than I did. 

Thad Hollis: [00:06:32] Yeah. But you laid that foundation, which has motivated you into the other careers that you've done as well because it's all about if you can move society forward and what are we doing if we're not helping each other then why are we doing it. 

Thad Hollis: [00:06:46]  If it's not an improving our fellows around us and our environment, then, I mean, this is something that you were talking to me about 30 years ago, that we're not making a difference. Then why are we doing this? 

You've been described, not by me, but by others as a corporate peacemaker. You were doing so a mediator in which you designed the human rights mediation program, their pilot program. Which is now that's almost 20 years old now and it's going strong.  This has prevented a lot of cases going forward to courts or into tribunals and has a lot of the parties having a dialogue. 

You were that peacemaker that in your leadership and inspiration developed that and it's the mentoring. I mean, I've been a beneficiary of your mentoring as well.

Thad Hollis: [00:07:28] That is the practice that you have. I'd like you to just give a little bit more to the audience. Well, what it has been like in that mentoring corporate peacemaker, mediator, community builder, that Michelle St Jane is. 

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:07:42] I believe there are just these moments that open doors that align with your life's purpose. That help you find deeper meaning in what you're doing.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:07:49] For me, I love to create conversations. I'm a speaker who writes. I also have the super genius for being a contrarian

I believe in challenging the current thinking to calling out myth perceptions. Speaking truth to power, like a lady, which actually comes from my grandmother.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:08:10.79] My purpose is to look at:

🙊 What is unsaid? 

🙈 What I have experienced, observed, or witnessed, and 

🙋How can I use that to help other people? 

We're really living in legendary times.

We're living longer, with higher-quality lives. 

We have the opportunity to do things like that which has never been done before.

[00:08:28] Dr. Michelle St Jane: Mentoring for me, I find often starts by leading by example and by attraction, rather than promotion.

People will come and say, “how did you do that? Could you teach, could you mentor me?” When that ask crosses my path, I feel called to serve and take the opportunity to contribute to somebody else's life. My favorite part really is sharing my experiences of how to have fun when you find things frustrating.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:08:52] For example, I got back from law school. I had the opportunity to work in some really high-powered industries. I learned everything very fast and at times found I did not wish to stay there. I got to the level of being a general counsel for a multi-national and realized: 

I've contributed, but I'm not satisfied. 

I'm successful. But I feel like I could do more. 

Facing those facts is what led to the forming of the social enterprise. I could see there was a need that coincided with my wishing to practice law in the context of society. 

I was living in one of the richest countries in the world. Yet we were creating degradation, putting people in poverty, and also destroying the environment. 

[00:09:29] Dr. Michelle St Jane: The social enterprise was all about access to justice. Justice is done and most importantly, one of the legal principles I live by justice is seen to be done. 

In doing this, 

I took the opportunity to serve in an acting capacity on the family court bench for five years. 

I took the opportunity to write academic research papers. 

I took the opportunity to do my master's in philanthropy because I had started a social enterprise in 2003 before social enterprise was even a thing.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:09:50] These opportunities created this very rich vein of research and academic writing. By showing up, really contributing to the space around social enterprises we now have two decades of experience, evidence, strength, and hope with what the social enterprise law firm has done. 

Now, the Ph.D. came out of the social enterprise. When I was there, I went into a symposium in Oxford University in England and found myself sitting next to one of my influencers.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:10:15] In the symposium they were trying to define a social enterprise in 2005 or 2006.  While I sat there listening, I realized the law firm was one.  During this exploratory stage and while creating the law firm I also decided to do my master's in philanthropy at Indiana Purdue and building on the back of that master’s research is what led me into doing my doctorate. Like my master's, my doctorate was about speaking truth to power through research and academic writing.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:10:32] Everyone thought I would be doing a doctorate of “nos.” Why would global leadership want to talk to me about things they're not terribly pleased about. That was not what happened was. From my experience of being in the C-suite, I knew they were very isolated. What I learned was that when they had their corporate CEO hat on, it was about profit at any price.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:10:50] Then when they put their personal hat on, they're like, “I really care about people and planet.” 

I offered this opportunity to have conversations around how we could possibly balance the sacred money market with people and the planet. 

The doctorate was published in 2016. It's hit over 230 reads. I really need to get the book out, right.

Thad Hollis:  [00:11:11] You do! I remember when we were discussing how friendly societies impacted and the legacies that grew from what they were doing and all that research that you were doing. 

I love how we're bringing hearts to the corporate world. 

What comes to mind is that you get to stand in both worlds, and you were the bridge between what was really an unknown market globally. It was just beginning, and you were right there in that kernel of the existence of the social enterprise and continue to have an impact in that. That's phenomenal, but we're going to be limited on time. 

We're going to speed through because I know this there's so many things that you've done. I mean, just the 30 years and we could just talk just the nineties and what you accomplished.

Thad Hollis: [00:11:52] And then, this century it's only 20 years and there's hours that we could talk about. The impact that you've had, that I've seen and the change, not just in Bermuda, but globally, because you created awareness, not just in New Zealand, but around the world. In the United States, in the United Kingdom, in Europe, there were people talking about what you do.

Thad Hollis: [00:12:12] I think the latest platform of that is your video podcast. The new medium that you can now take beyond just having the conversations on this 35 square kilometer rock. You can now go beyond that and you successfully hitting that. What inspired you to just start putting. 

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:12:30] Well, I got back to Bermuda and time to be quarantined.  Secret Confession:  being a Triple A workaholic, in recovery. 

I found myself in a ginormous pause.  Indulging myself with quiet time, sitting still and indulging in beach walks, meditation and contemplation and prayer. One morning, I was meditating overlooking the ocean. The word “podcast” dropped into my head.

Secret Confession: I didn't know what a podcast was. When I looked it up, I had an aha! Moment, this could be my virtual speaking podium.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:12:55] This is where I can bring my ideas to life. As a futurist. I'm usually three to five years ahead. Here was an opportunity and I had time to figure out how to speak more into deeply into the doctoral topics around how we find the balance between people, planet, and capitalism

That was my initial idea. As it happens, it was another divine wink because within eight weeks the pod was launched.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:13:15] I learned everything very quickly, tried to do the tech side along with hosting and creating. Then the realization was that I could not do it all myself. I needed a team to do the things especially that I did not like so much. I flourished creating content, having conversations, doing research, and making connections. 

The podcast started me on the road of purposely leave footprints in the digital sands of time.  This is my way of signposting, wisdom, strength, and hope for global leaders.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:13:44] That sense of isolation in leadership where good people who really want to do good and use their privilege positions and philanthropic platforms have the power to do that. 

That's the story behind how the podcast got started. It was another divine wink like law school, like my masters, the social enterprise, and the PhD.

Let me be more specific and make this learning for a moment.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:14:05] Once I delve deeper into my values, my number one value is wisdom, that being knowledge transfer, as the 21st century grandmother, I really lean into that. 

Watching next generations, future generations and intergenerational collaborations are my second top value. Third is communicating and that comes out in my research, as a speaker who loves to write and my podcast conversations.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:14:26] Every podcast transcript can be translated into a book chapter. If I wish it can be turned into a blog, many other things, lots of evergreen content there, but it's now out there with my purposefully leaving footprints and the digital sense of time. Now, people don't realize we have a lot of research you out there with your online, how your online, everything is out there forever now.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:14:47]  I'm all about purposely being on a conscious journey. 

Thad Hollis: [00:14:51] Definitely. I've watched that. I'm going to keep going back to what we were doing that crucible in the nineties, that kernel that was being birthed is certainly now in a stewardship and a year that the digital footprints are always going to be there.

Thad Hollis: [00:15:07]  I can see that that's again, another foundation. We've talked before about the legacy that you you're creating here and the stewardship. Could you speak a little bit more into that, which is evolving from the podcast now the stewardship? 

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:15:21] Absolutely. As I've mentioned before, I feel like we're living in legendary times and we're living legendary lives.

[00:15:27] Dr. Michelle St Jane: Last century, we were living like Kings. This century we're living like 🦄 legends, quite frankly. My motto has been faith that to make it, that drives me, guides me, and inspires me. Consequently, I made it to come to a choice point where I've chosen to label myself as a living 🦄 legend.

When I look at my careers, my bio, when people like yourself speak about me.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:15:49] I'm truly looking over my shoulder and saying, “okay, okay, who is it?” I'm feeling the imposter syndrome. 

I'm taking a conscious choice point to say, “well, I need to own it!” Then create a frame around it so people can replicate that. They can lean into that. It's very easy to find your purpose. Dig deeper into values.

[00:16:10] Dr. Michelle St Jane: Then ask: what is your truth? 

You have the right to speak that into the world. 

By writing, by having a conversation, leading a community group, a corporate team. It's about values led, passionate, heartfelt leadership. For me this is the way forward. We now have the opportunity to create alliances of 👁️‍🗨️ Vivid Visionaries.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:16:29] We can leave these legacy messages in a tweetable way. We can share our legacy moments. As I said, I have had a lot of fun with my frustrations and my failures sharing when appropriate. 

For example, I will share pouring myself a cup of tea out of the coffee pot urn in front of a judge one time. That leads to an amazing conversation. From that moment of when I could have sat there and melted inside and turned into a wall flower, or I could laugh out loud and say, have you ever done that. 
 Guess what the Judge said, “Yeah, I've done the same thing.”

Out of that moment I had created a connection with a very powerful judge who kindly shared wisdom about how he felt and what he did at that stage of his career as a law student.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:17:17] Failures can be very educational and they're also quite humorous. If you can find your funny side, the lesson is more learnable for people around you. As programs tell us you can be as sick as your secrets. In my podcasts I’ve put out there a few secret confessions.  Using that as an opportunity to create a learning space, to speak my truth.

[00:17:39] Dr. Michelle St Jane: As one of the few women who has been:

🌟 a broker to the fortune 500 and the late eighties

🌟 in the C-suite in the late nineties

🌟 starting a social enterprise at the turn of the century

🌟 doing a doctorate at 50.

 I can readily and openly suggest:

🌟 Faith it until you make it.

Frankly, I don't know how anyone let me into university. I was a C student in high school.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:18:00] When I went to law school, I didn't know how to write an essay. I was so underwater. I made the Poseidon 💦Adventure, look like jumping in the swimming pool. You know, because you were around at those times when I was trying to make choices and being very aware of, there could be a lot of impacts.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:18:19] What you witnessed, what you observed and how you communicate your thoughts out in the world, is part of your unique message. They're part of your unique voice. We need those voices out there. Otherwise, we're only hearing from the famous few, be them in the corporate world, the entertainment world, or the political world.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:18:37]  I'm not sure they're always the best leaders. They've had a lot of hands-on deck to support. And I have not had those hands up. It's been because someone thought of me that I got guided into certain positions and opportunities because I had endured very dark times a divine wink happened that shine a light on a path to law school then to do my doctorate.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:18:57] Both of those ventures were undertaken when I was at a very low point. Turning 40 was fun for me. I actually enjoyed 40, but when I turned 50, I suddenly had this feeling life was almost over. I was not in the best of spaces, health, spiritually, or mentally. 

So, I went and did a doctorate. That was a very smart choice for me because my number one value is wisdom

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:19:19] No, it was not an easy road. That doctorate was definitely a very tough path for me. In fact, it's all credit to my grandson, Connor. 

Connor was living with me in New Zealand at the time I was months away from submission. I was very unwell and I'm like, “this is killing me. Time to quit!” Connor, out of the mouths of your grandchildren said, “come on if you can do one, I can do two. You have to finish.”

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:19:38] He was my #1 proof reader. I mean, he read a lot of my drafts and he's really good at grammar. Something I am not good at. 

Here I was making a path, shining a light, even with struggles. The voice coming out of the resident grandson Tween kept saying, “Come on, I'm so inspired. I want to do two. So, you have to finish!”

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:20:00] Again, doing it at 50, as I said, I was in a very bad place at that time, a very low point. So, I went and did some research, and it was at a time when there was a lot coming out about the neuroscience. The neuroscience told us at that time: 

💪🧠💪 The best brain was over 50 ✅ 

🥗 My health profile indicated I might live to my 120. 

Then, I thought, well, I've done so much on my career path, where do I want to go next? I was going to have to craft that path by walking. I knew it wasn't going to be a typical job and who knows what jobs look like anymore, because it's all changing fast and furious.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:20:42] The third thing was that somebody posted an article on LinkedIn that said your last career change might be at 105. I had that aha! reaction. 

You know, maybe thinking strategically, maybe I want to go and create knowledge and discover what I want to do. At that time, my heart was really hurting around how much power global capitalism has and how much good they could do, but how much harm I was seeing, which leads me to writing a song.

Cahow: Bermuda’s Own Music Video (2013)  https://bit.ly/33MTcRm

Video Clips: LookBermuda Cahow Cam, Poverty in Paradise Documentary 2010 Bermuda Coalition for Protection of Children



Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:21:12] Now I never expected to write a song, but the creativity of the song helped me open my heart. I poured everything I was worried about, making visible the things that I was seeing that were in plain sight, but remained unseen nor spoken of. 

Thad Hollis: [00:21:28] That song is a decade old now and probably more relevant today than even then.

Thad Hollis: [00:21:34] At the time it was a very relevant song and this points in it that we seem to be repeating some of those oversights of that decade and in a pandemic. 

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:21:43] The pandemic has made some great advances, but I am a big believer in that saying past behavior is a good predictor of future behavior. For me, let's keep that in plain sight, which is where I often put my voice, making visible the invisible and celebrating and validating that in the world.

Thad Hollis: [00:22:03] As always listening to you describing your journey from C-suite to PhD and finalizing that, I recall there were two things like when we were doing the mediation, the pilot mediation program for the human rights commission, we also were involved in the writing the curriculum for the Bermuda college, for the labor relations management.

Thad Hollis: [00:22:24]  I would never have thought of that, but you were the one and this I think sums Michelle St Jane. You were like, “well, why not?” You went and asked, “do you guys have a program in labor relations for the management certificate?” They went, “no.” And the supervisory management program was created, and you invited me to do that.

Thad Hollis: [00:22:42] We collaborated on writing the curriculum. I think I told it twice they’d decided not to do it for funding, whatever, but some of my former students that we taught are my clients today, who remember what we were teaching them. They became better supervisors, better managers. 

💥The spark was Michelle St Jane. 💥

Thad Hollis:  [00:23:00] St Jane said, there's a gap here. I'm going to go ahead. I think that sums up everything that you've done. Michelle, you've looked at it and you've gone, “Something's not working here.” You've just gone and asked, like pouring a coffee into a cup of tea and pivoting that point into knowledge so that wisdom can evolve.

Thad Hollis: [00:23:19] I think that's been a summary of where we got. As we're just closing down on this section, I'm going to throw some personal questions at you. You're an amazing person.

❔What trait do you admire most about you? 

[00:23:33] Dr. Michelle St Jane: Speaking truth to power. It's that I can, and I will.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:23:37] I think it's the trait that makes the biggest contribution. 

Thad Hollis: [00:23:41] I would say that that's true. That there's a rigorous honesty in Michelle St Jane. She isn't afraid to rip off the band-aid. 

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:23:51] Yes. Well, the 10-year backlog for police complaints and the 10-year backlog for human rights, which serves the community and the people who are there to serve the community are examples of showing, having the conversations, and doing the job.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:24:02] That definitely did not make me popular, but it got results and it's not all about me. It's what you call it leaving a legacy.

Thad Hollis: [00:24:08] You've never done anything for popularity. You've done it to make the change to better the community. That would be a summary. And it's only often five to 10 years later and people sit back and go, yeah, Michelle started this and look at what we have now. At the time they didn't like it because I would say human nature doesn't like change. 

You have that vision and that's been tantamount to creating the legacy today. That is actually part of the institution that the human rights commissions involved into that these complaints. That's another topic we'll talk about later.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:24:40] it can be watered and grown at some point, 

Thad Hollis: [00:24:43] You did show that it can.

❔ What do you consider to be a greatest achievement thus far?  

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:24:52] My greatest achieved in my life, I would say my children and grandchildren. When I look at the lives that my family are leading, they have so much more quality, connection, and community than I ever did growing up.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:25:05] Although I made hard choices and decisions and took paths that were not popular, it has resulted in quality of life for my children and grandchildren. 

Thad Hollis: [00:25:13] Yeah, and they make good choices as a result of the example. 

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:25:19] From their mistakes, but I can say, you know, having grown up in a single parent household pretty much on the poverty line in a country where I didn't have choices, it's wonderful to see my daughters and my granddaughter can definitely lean into all they want to be.

Thad Hollis: [00:25:33] To realize that a mistake is not a fault or an arrow or a bad thing to put a pejorative term, but rather an opportunity.

Dr. Michelle St Jane: g[00:25:41] My biggest learning in life moments has been through those very dark times. 

🌟 Remember You can go or grow through transformational opportunities.

I happened to be constantly standing in manure yet ready to grow.

Thad Hollis: [00:25:59] ❔ In all the manifestations that you’ve had, and I just know there's more to come, but just at this point, what's been your favorite. 

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:26:07] I love creating content and having conversations. Being a speaker who writes, I really love opportunities to be a guest on podcasts, being a guest on live television shows, radio shows. I also value the opportunity for the podcast to create the content I would like to see in the world of global leaders.

Thad Hollis: [00:26:28]  I'm going to ask a final question here on this section and its sort of open-ended.

❔  If you were totally unfettered and imagination could just explode, what would you do? 

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:26:38]  Actually it's in the works. That is to create a global action brand platform for saving the planet including near earth orbit. Again, it encompasses wisdom, transfer it encompass future generations and intergenerational collaborations. It encompasses transparent communications, access to knowledge and much more. At this time, I can't tell you anymore until Q2 2022. 

Thad Hollis: [00:27:06] Fair enough. But I'll confess, I'm not surprised that there's an explosion about to happen. That showed St Jane is by no means content just to rest on her laurels. She is going on to do the next evolution. 

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:27:21] Justice and environmental, my favorite monikers being a Socio-Environmental Imagineer. In these current times, this decade we're living in between legendary lives. Life can be anything that you want to make it choose to or choose another way.

Thad Hollis: [00:27:46] We can become our own personal 🦄 legends 

Dr. Michelle St Jane: [00:27:49] I know there are some amazing people in their nineties and in triple digits now. I just love celebrating and validating that and making it visible.

Thad Hollis: Fantastic!

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