Nov. 10, 2025

Dino Rizzo: When Leaders Serve, Churches Grow

Dino Rizzo: When Leaders Serve, Churches Grow
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Season 2

Jeff Little and Dino Rizzo reveal how a serving posture fuels real growth. Learn to start with what you have, partner wisely, “see the one,” and build a culture where compassion multiplies. It’s not about bigger buildings—it’s about a bigger heart. Use these practical plays with your team now!

TIMESTAMPS
2:20 - Humble Beginnings and Early Ministry Stories
3:20 - A Burden for Single Moms Takes Shape
5:05 - From One Act of Kindness to Scalable Service
7:05 - Bigger Buildings of Bigger Love?
10:15 - Designing a Gathering to Build Leaders
12:25 - Serve Day Impact & Community Partners
15:05 - Outreach Starts with What You Have
18:05 - Understanding Your City's Needs
25:00 - Is The Church Healthy Right now?
28:00 - Global Signs of Renewal and Hope
31:00 - Lift Up Your Eyes: Regaining Perspective

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00:00 - Golf Carts And Texas-Sized Campus Tour

02:20 - Humble Beginnings And Early Ministry Stories

03:20 - A Burden For Single Moms Takes Shape

05:05 - From One Act Of Kindness To Scalable Service

07:05 - Bigger Buildings Or Bigger Love

08:35 - Lead To Win: Books, Movement, And Resources

10:15 - Designing A Gathering To Build Leaders

12:25 - Serve Day Impact And Community Partnerships

15:05 - Why Outreach Starts With What You Have

18:05 - Reading Your City’s Needs And Calendar

20:15 - Culture Of Compassion And Personal Nudges

23:20 - More Love As The Measure Of Growth

25:00 - Is The Church Healthy Right Now

28:00 - Global Signs Of Renewal And Hope

31:00 - Lift Up Your Eyes: Regaining Perspective

34:00 - Among Them: Stay Close To People

36:30 - Gratitude, Wrap-Up, And Subscriber CTA

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They're never gonna allow me to use this card again.

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Look at this.

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Okay, they'll be running into nobody's card.

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Do we have interest on this?

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Do we have do we have a workmatch comp on this project?

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Come on, cut it hard.

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Cut it hard.

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Look at this.

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We're maxing right now.

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We're going to 70 miles an hour.

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13.

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13.

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Sound like 70.

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This is all Texas.

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We're gonna go look at the parking lot.

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I think there's a dirt bike convention going over.

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Are you doing motocross?

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Man just rode a dirt bike right through the church parking lot.

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He did a wheelie right there and jumped over that.

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Texas motocross central.

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I mean, that's that's how big the property is.

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You can motorcrawl.

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Well, what happens is when you get when you get this during the week, it serves as a practice field for little league football.

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There'll be some sixth graders out there in a little bit playing football.

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There'll be people doing uh you know hills here running up and down.

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People come out here, they practice their kids' driver's ed.

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As this, it's a full service.

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You can do it is a you can you can practice parallel parking.

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Now, one thing that I want to comment for everybody.

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It's a church for everybody.

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One thing I want to comment on, though, that I've never been in this, but I want to say, hold on, let me see.

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Here we go.

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This thing.

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So would you say we were just talking?

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It's a Texas-sized golf cart.

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30 years ago, I I started in ministry.

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I would say that the golf cart game has kind of come up.

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Yeah.

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This is a there was no golf card.

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Is this a Disney World?

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This is, I feel like we're getting ready for the Pirates of the Caribbean.

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Now, did you, did you back in the day when you were pastoring in Baton Rouge, did you ever get like a used golf cart?

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You know, the one that somebody gave you, or did you get it?

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It was a uh maybe just a hand-me-down from like a par three course.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We had a couple things just given to us as a blessing.

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And uh I don't know if they turned out to be a blessing.

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You have to fix it, gotta get it guys.

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In the early days, you're just grateful for anything.

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Anything you could started here how long ago?

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Okay, so I moved here in 2002 to start milestone.

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We moved to this property in 2017.

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Where were you meeting before this?

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We had a little grocery store behind Taco Pass.

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The House of the Taco.

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The House of the Taco.

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A grocery store.

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That was first Sunday was in there?

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No, first Sunday was in a cafetorium.

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Then we had a little rented building, had 350 seats, old church.

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Where'd you get the chairs from?

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Well, they were already in the chair.

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They came with the building, they were light pink.

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Little flat, you know, international flags.

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International flags.

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Yeah, you gotta have the flag too.

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A wood altar, do this in remembrance of me.

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Little flower arrangement.

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You know, one thing I like about you though is you like everything about church because we just spent the day together.

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We're talking about missions, we're talking about, I mean, being involved with the community.

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Being involved in the community.

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I want to.

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One thing that came out of our dialogue today, I want to double our outreach to single moms.

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Yeah, I love that.

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Well, it came out of your heart.

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I think the best outreach is are those that you just know that God puts something in you and you're supposed to make a difference.

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It shouldn't be this way.

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You said something about uh there was a single mom that has come to the church.

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I think one of your team, Stacy, found out that she had sold her plasma to get food.

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And you know what came out of your mouth?

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It shouldn't be that way.

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It shouldn't be that way.

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That shouldn't be happening on my watch.

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We're going to fix that.

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And I think that's where a lot of serve impact your community.

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What are we supposed to do?

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Are we supposed to do medical?

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Are we supposed to do uh neighborhood Bible studies?

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Are we supposed to do elderly?

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Are we supposed to do, you know, literacy teaching to children?

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I think it's what says comes out of your heart.

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Says, God put this in me, and it shouldn't be that way.

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Yeah.

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And I think that's what came out of your heart with single.

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Why is it, is there a story to that?

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So my my dad, my dad's, my dad's dad died when he was nine years old.

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So my grandmother, she never remarried.

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She raised my father, my uncle.

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She had a beauty shop beside the house.

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She cut hair, went, went over here, put that perm solution on some lady's hair, that dirt daubers would be falling out of the sky.

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And then we made a win made a spam sandwich for her boys, you know, got them to school.

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No, you never had a perm.

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I will say in sixth grade, all my friends got a perm because Kurt Cameron, that show was out, and we came to school in the sixth grade, everybody had a perm.

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It's kind of coming back now, too, I think.

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It is.

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Yeah.

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Kind of it's the the ha the ha perm.

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No, I think so.

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At the end of the day, yeah.

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So my I had that in my background, but really how I got a heart for single moms was I was just praying one day, driving down the road.

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I thought about the verse, pure and undefiled religion, help widows and orphans.

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And I had a thought, we don't, I live in a suburban community, and our our outreach to widows has increased, but I started thinking single moms fit the profile of the biblical widow.

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Because in the Bible, the reason the widow is mentioned is culturally they were at such a vulnerable place.

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They were they were on the outside.

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I mean, in fact, you know, you might tell your brother, hey, you need to take you need to take my wife in.

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I mean, if I die, because basically it was a death sentence, you know.

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And so you were jammed if you were.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, so I had that, and so we just started reaching out.

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We we we serve about 500 single moms, pay for kids' camp, scholarships, Mother's Day.

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We do basically their whole Christmas for them.

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Not just for their kids.

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Not just for their kids, but then even just some stuff for them.

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And you know, but it didn't start out with 500.

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No.

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It started out with this, we should do something.

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Do something.

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And so let's figure that out.

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And then what I love today was the vision of what could we if you can go to one, you can go to two.

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If you can do 500, you could do a thousand.

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You know, it's scalable.

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That's right.

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And I think that was what's amazing.

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You know, I love riding around this building because you know, one of the things you were talking about today was bigger building.

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Look at look at these random, random golf car people.

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Random golf car people.

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They're trying to challenge us.

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Okay, they're trying to challenge us, they're gonna be ahead of time.

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Here we go, here we go.

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They don't know you got skills.

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Is this West Texas still?

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Is it West Texas?

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Is that where we're raised?

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They're never gonna allow me to use this card again.

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I think uh look at this.

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Okay, don't be running into nobody's car.

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Do we have insurance on this?

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Do we have do I have work with comp on this project?

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Come on, cut her hard, cut her hard.

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Look at this.

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We're we're maxing right now.

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We're running 70 miles an hour.

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13?

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13.

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Cal sound like 70.

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This is all Texas.

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This is Texas.

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But you said something about bigger buildings, bigger church, bigger heart.

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Right.

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So big, big, big is a relative term, but it's it's not it just about big or bigger buildings, bigger heart.

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And I feel, and I'm gonna preach on that this fall.

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I'm gonna preach a whole series on the Ephesians passage that says there's more love.

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More love.

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Bigger, not a bigger building, bigger love.

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More love.

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And and the answer to it is as each part does its work.

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And that's what I got from you.

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That's what I want to spend some time talking about.

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Servolution, serve, how you how that how that became part of what you impart.

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I want to talk about that.

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But I've enjoyed the golf cart, right?

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Hey, full service.

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I mean, you know, we got you some Texas barbecue.

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54 and a half.

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Would you have ever believed you'd have 54 acres?

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No, no.

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And the generosity of our people that we have low debt on this because of their generosity, and we're able to serve more people every weekend.

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Golf carts.

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Golf carts.

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People get picked up in these.

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It's a long way down there to the end of that parking lot.

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I'm not we need a motor cross bike.

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So let's go, let's go have a conversation.

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Let's go, uh, let's go chat.

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I want to I want to talk a little bit about serving people, servolution.

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Go have a conversation about it.

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Oh man.

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All right.

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That was fun.

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That was awesome.

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I enjoy it.

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I mean, I'm on the podcast.

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You're on the podcast.

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I'm on the lead to win podcast.

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But I'm I I didn't I didn't get a lead to win shirt.

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You didn't get one?

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Yeah, I I I'm still on this jacked-up ARC hoodie that I'll be pullover I wear every day.

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Well, I'm giving out NIL money.

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Oh, there you go.

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If you'll get one and wear it, I mean we're we're gonna have like a be be like you could be sponsored by lead to win.

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Tell now tell me where Lead to Win.

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We're hearing about it.

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It's a book, it's a gathering.

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It's really your heart is to see people win.

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Right.

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And then to to see how that has been uh brought out now, being able to help pastors, leaders, teams.

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Uh I get excited about it because you want to, you know, you win with people, and then there's lead to, I mean, there's this whole idea now.

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How did that where did that come from?

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Give me a minute on it, because I know we want to talk about a lot of things, but I want to know that from you.

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The first book way to win was the idea that everyone has a scoreboard, but the worst thing in life is not to have too few points, but to light up the scoreboard and realize you played the wrong game.

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So for me, I want everybody to win, but also feel I mean, I have a shepherd's heart.

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My book, Win with People, is about how to take better care of people.

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Yeah.

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I want them also to get permission.

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I think what a pastor does and a coach is like, hey man, let me give you some permission to care about your wife and your kids and your marriage and your health.

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And a lot of time for leaders, like they're they are sacrificial, and and a lot of times no one's asking, well, how how are you?

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How are you doing?

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So I tell I find a lot of joy in encouraging, inspiring, giving to, yeah, helping.

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Um you really built a church on it.

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That's that's how we that we built, as we say, build big people.

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Right?

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Yeah, not not build a big church, build big people.

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Big people build build big things, they do great things.

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And then so so lead to win now is a is a gathering, it's a it's a movement of resources.

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Got curricula.

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I mean, I go everywhere and I shout out the seeds, baby.

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What's up with them seeds?

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Because you did a curriculum, a campaign around giving generosity, give your life away, plant your life into something.

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And I I believe it's one of the greatest things.

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I mean, I carried around, I've I've re-preached it more than you have.

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I think people think I came up with it.

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So it's pretty cool.

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But give me give me some on that.

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We spent some time even today together because you're gonna come and help, and we're just gonna invite pastors and teams.

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We we we say we design this with you and your team in mind.

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Gathering in January.

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Um I I've been distinguished.

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Come come just whatever we have, we want to share it with you.

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Meet some of my team, learn about some of our distinctives.

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Next gen.

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Um Developing Leaders.

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Developing leaders.

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Pipelines.

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I think we're gonna really focus on that this year is about developing leaders and teams.

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Yeah, that's right.

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And uh we know that's a big need out there.

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People, where do I get a youth pastor?

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How do I develop my people?

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So it's a gathering.

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It's also, though, as you said, it's it's resources that we have available, like seeds, like other things that we have, and then it's it's also this podcast.

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I mean, I I my team kept telling me you need to do a podcast.

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I like podcasts, I listen to fishing podcasts most of the time.

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Yeah, you do, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So I love fishing podcasts.

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I love bass fishing.

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Uh so I listened to some leadership ones, and so I really had no idea like what that was.

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Like, look, it's like but I I say I I really enjoy it.

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Why?

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Because my life is rich because of the relationships and people that I get to be with.

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And so you and I today, we've been talking about how can we serve more single moms?

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We've been talking about how do we make a greater impact for serve day.

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So we've been we so we we've today have been having a conversation, yeah.

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And I love the fact that it's like, let me give you a ride in the golf cart, and then let's go talk about it.

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Exactly.

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And I I want people to benefit that are out there, because we also have people that are they're not just pastors, they're there are pastors and ministry leaders.

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We got a letter the other day or an email from uh a teacher who said, Man, I'm getting a lot out of this.

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I thought teacher, I mean, they do a lot of stuff, pastors do.

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They they gotta deal with parents, they deal with the kids, they gotta deal with the curriculum, they gotta make sure everything's so we have business leaders, teachers, and I wanted them.

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If if I I was thinking about our time, like if I if I cut you, like you're gonna bleed serve people, help people.

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Of course, we share in common, we want to have pastors.

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I find I I think there's a lot of churches that ask me, like, we had 6,000 people in Dallas Fort Worth.

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It's a massive church, just serving people this this year.

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Yeah.

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I can't even remember 400 projects.

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I mean, I you I I we did a live deal.

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I was at a grocery giveaway.

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You sure were what's up?

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Giving out groceries.

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All lined up, everybody got grocery carts, getting food, getting help.

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Small groups were showing up adopting teachers.

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The teachers were crying, they're buying them everything they they they need for their classrooms, and we found out that the teachers were spending their own money to get snacks for these kids.

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We're like, that can't be.

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Well, we got we gotta do something about that.

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Yeah.

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And so I I s I say there's no way we have that kind of impact if I don't have a relationship with you.

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Because you imparted that.

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You taught me that.

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You where this is this is where where it's all at here, okay?

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This is the month, this is the the whole podcast.

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Yeah.

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Where did Dino Rizzo, where, where did Servolution, Servolution, you know, that you still you still are empowering pastors all over the world with the with the vision for service.

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Yeah, you guys help us too.

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Yeah.

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So And I get to do it at a local level at Highlands.

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At Highlands, y'all are doing it.

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So you serve there at Highlands, you help help all of us.

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You serve, obviously, as the executive director of ARC, which we we all all of us, we we we help with church planting.

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Right.

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I think people even get confused by that, by the way.

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Yeah.

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It's not a denomination.

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No, not all.

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It's not a governmental entity.

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So when they say ARC did, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

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We're a birthing center.

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Okay.

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We're just we're just we're just happy.

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And we help start new churches.

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We help you get to the best launch possible.

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Oh, goodness.

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It's it's gonna be right at 1,180 that we've launched.

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I think that's a good thing.

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Yeah, and and they and we believe in a launch large model.

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Yeah.

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That's just who we are.

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That's yeah.

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And churches like yourself and thousands give to it.

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You know, so I it's a it's a joy of my life to be a part of our so helping that church plan and encouraging them.

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Boy, we and you've planted a church, I've planned a church, but that's not easy.

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But there's this there's this other part to you.

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You know, local church, you you you love local church, from parking lots to babies to overflow that we don't call overflow anymore.

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Additional seeding.

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Additional spirit.

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For an additional experience.

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Okay.

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Right by the Coke machine.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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So you like you like everything church, but really, if you really say Dino Rizzo, people think serve the underprivileged, help the poor, help people, serve people.

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Where did that come from?

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Well, I think, you know, like all of us, we're wired by God.

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So there is there's it's probably a a wiring of God.

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You know, to so we we we always acknowledge him first in anything.

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I mean, you're a great shepherd, you're a great pastor, you're a great friend.

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God puts a lot of that in you.

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And then you have life experience.

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And I think, you know, I was raised uh with a speech challenge.

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You know, I spent some time with Steve Robins, so he's analyzed me.

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Steve Robinson has analyzed me.

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Uh like all of us, to God be the glory.

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Uh what a gift.

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And um and he he and I were chatting about this.

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You know, I was in speech class back in those days, you were all thrown in in one room with every other type of challenge and pain and struggle.

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Right.

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And I think being there and being the one that probably had the less uh struggle, uh-huh.

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Uh so I did become a little bit of a defender of some of the other classmates that were at a different challenge.

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Uh so I think that kind of started young, and then knowing what I had been through with my speech, um, and then being reached through outreach.

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So I was not a believer.

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There was nothing about church that made me want to come to church.

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So I got reached through a church who did an outreach, did a survey.

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That's big.

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Did an engagement, and I think from there, I think that's really big, right?

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Like, I mean, people who get reached on a college campus, a lot of times they go do college.

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If you're incarcerated, you want to do prison ministry.

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If you've been i fighting addiction, yeah.

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You find sobriety, yeah.

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You won't you want to help people find sobriety.

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Yeah.

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If you've if you've been in an abusive relationship, a lot of times now you want to serve your time down at a batter winner women's home.

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Right.

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You know, so it's a widow that says, I want to lead a widow's group.

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You have those here.

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But I think that was a big thing for.

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The outreach is they did an outreach at the beach, a little small church from Tabor City, North Carolina, boy, North Kakalaka.

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And they did an outreach on the weekend and just went out and talked to people and they were giving away snow cones.

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Wow.

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And uh they gave me a grape snow cone.

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And I'd seen other people witness bullhorns yelling.

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Yeah.

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And and if that if that's your thing, then you know, yeah, do your bullhorn.

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Yeah.

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But uh these people were kind.

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It was acts of kindness before I knew what that was.

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Yeah.

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It was it was giving something that connected to a convert, and out of the conversation, it was a clear presentation of the gospel.

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I want to pause right there.

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I want to pause right there because we didn't start with 6,000 people serving at Serve Day.

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We didn't start with 500 single moms.

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We started where we started.

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And I think a lot of times people are listening and they're missing what you're saying.

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This wasn't a big church.

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This wasn't millions of dollars.

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This was ice, a little white thing to hold it.

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Some great you know, whatever whatever.

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I mean, yeah.

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What kind of snow cone do you like by the way?

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Oh man, coconut.

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Oh the blue, the light blue?

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Yeah.

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Money.

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I need I need to go back at it.

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We need to go get snow cone today.

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Let's get the snow cone.

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With some conditions, did you ever do the one where you're like, I want all the colors, every color.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I think a lot of times people get overwhelmed, like if you have a business or you're a you even your family, like like, or a church or a team.

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Water, snow cones, one widow, one widow, one one house fire, one broke down car.

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And I you know, the the book you wrote, Win with People.

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It's not like there's a threshold like, okay, you can only win with people if it's a hundred people.

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Right.

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You can't win with a hundred if you can't win with one.

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That's it.

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And so it's it's win with the person in front of you.

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I'm sure that's a big principle of the book.

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Uh-huh.

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It's win with your family.

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Win with your win with your neighbor.

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Well, we we talk about seeing the one and caring about the one and Jesus Jesus Shepherd leaves the 99 to go get one.

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The the big group actually wasn't it wasn't the focus, it was the one.

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Today, we're talking about you know, single moms and outreach and getting ready for next year's serve day.

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But today I won.

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Yes, I have a responsibility to think about how to serve people and make it make it steward our impact, but I won today because you were in the room when uh Stacy, our missions director, said, I just I just got contacted, and there's a single mom in our church who gave plasma for her kid.

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And I'm like, her kid her kid to eat, she's twice gone to give plasma.

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We're like, oh oh, we're about to do something about that.

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Like we can fix it.

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Yeah, we can get some groceries.

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A hundred years.

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Your people will say, and I what I love right now, Jeff, is because you I see this, your your your church is a uh an encounter for the next generation.

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Your church is there's this God encounter happening with students, right, with kids, with college, young adult services.

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It's it's happening.

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There's chur those you know, Jim Lafoon, our friend, says there are drops of that revival touch, change, transformation, dropping.

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You're seeing it in that age group.

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Here's the other thing you love about that age group is they want to make a difference with their lives.

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They do.

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Not for social justice, right, for gospel.

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For gospel.

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For gospel, for gospel, for gospel.

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I can't say it enough.

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And so now you see this catalyst of God moving, right, but then you also see this we should care about some things, and then we should move, we should move with compassion and be in community.

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Right.

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Those things, when you get the the the catalyst movement of God, you get community, friendship, you get a a place that cares about others, and then you get a a compassion cause involved, you will transform a city, a campus, a dorm, a s uh, a community.

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When those elements start happening, you're seeing it here, we're seeing it, a lot of churches are seeing it, some of our friends are seeing it.

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And and it begins with the person who cares and says, what you said, that shouldn't be that way.

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That that person shouldn't be uh that you know, senseless crimes, pain that we're seeing all around the nation, uh the elderly, uh those with different challenges, the forgotten, uh those that are have food deserts, all these different things that we see happening.

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It shouldn't be that way.

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So what could I do to make a difference?

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Yeah.

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One of the illustrations I've heard an old pastor talk about is you have your Popeye moment.

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You remember the cartoon Popeye with the eat the spinach in his forearms?

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But he would say, I Well, throw it up right now.

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Let me see what you got.

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There it is.

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Look at that.

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That's Python.

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Pythons.

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It's kind of thin.

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Garden kids.

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My my my daughter was sharing with our staff, and she put some really bad things up in front.

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It was very It was your brother.

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Yeah.

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I don't think it was you, it was Tubby.

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I mean I want to tell you, my chin was so big I had a daisy chain.

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Those neck extenders, I had to put three together to get my tie.

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Yeah.

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And then, you know, the tie was the knot was so fat that the tie was up to.

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That was short.

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And it rests on your belly.

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Those are those are fine pictures.

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Yeah, so so Popeye moment, I can't stand it no more.

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You gotta have you kind of have to have this moment of go, I can't stand that.

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I'm I I I'm not gonna tolerate that.

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I'm we're gonna do something about that.

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And and I think so.

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You gotta reach that outreach, and then what would you what when people I jumped in?

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You just jumped all in.

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And what what what so so right now, you know, over all these years, hundreds of churches now, you never would have thought that way back then.

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Hundreds of invite Dino.

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If I invite Dino, let him talk to our staff, let him talk to our church.

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We're gonna be more compassionate, we're gonna serve more people.

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What do you tell them?

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Like when you go, like if I if right now we were you were doing a staff meeting for somebody listening, and they were like, Dino, you know, we want we want to we want to have more people in red shirts with serve, and we want to touch our community, and we want to have compassion and we want to tell stories.

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Where would you start?

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What if if you if you were right now just sitting with the leadership team, where do you start?

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Well, I mean, you got a great wife, I got a great wife, and both of our wives are good cooks, so shout out to Delyn.

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A lot of times I'll come home and I'll say, I don't want to order anything, I don't want to go buy anything, I want to work with what we got.

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Yeah.

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Make me something with what we got.

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Okay.

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What's in front of us?

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There you go.

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And so she'll say, Well, I got some pasta, I've I've got some sauce.

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We got spaghetti about to happen up in here.

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So I would probably say you start with what you've got.

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Okay.

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So if you're a church of 75 people, uh or you broke a hundred, which is huge a huge deal.

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You remember when you broke a hundred.

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Yeah.

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All these things.

00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:44.400
There's somebody in there who has something on them.

00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:47.359
It's like, what do you start with in the house?

00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:52.000
I love the story of the oil and the containers in the Old Testament.

00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:53.759
We don't have an oil problem.

00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:53.920
Right.

00:26:54.160 --> 00:26:55.599
We got a container situation.

00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:56.079
Right.

00:26:56.319 --> 00:26:59.119
So I'm I would think there are some containers there.

00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:05.119
There's somebody there who has a heart for children that are at a vulnerable risk school.

00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:05.440
Yeah.

00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:12.000
There's somebody there who has a neighbor who's dealing with cancer, and now they've they they've got some challenges.

00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:14.880
So by the way, this is this starts with what you've got.

00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:19.680
This is a youth pastor, you got ten in your youth group, or you've got four hundred.

00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:28.640
Like you you could you could get your kids to pass out water or help with the care about something, yeah.

00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:37.119
I mean so so young adults, college ministry, kids ministry, a church, a school, a business.

00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:44.400
So what so your first principle would be to get them to see the miracles in the house as Tommy Marnett would know.

00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:45.519
And what's obvious?

00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:46.240
What's obvious?

00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:46.720
What are we doing?

00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:49.039
And then secondly, I would say what's obvious in your community.

00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:49.440
Okay.

00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:52.799
What's obvious in our community are that people are dying with overdose.

00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:53.119
Okay.

00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:55.440
What's obvious in our community is we have a health care issue.

00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:55.680
Right.

00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:58.880
What's obvious in our community is we have an emergency room that's turning people away.

00:27:58.960 --> 00:27:59.119
Right.

00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:01.440
Because we don't have the funding at the at the charity hospital.

00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:01.839
Yeah.

00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:09.200
You know, what's obvious is, you know, there there are those that are that are struggling right now with they they can't meet their pharmaceutical needs.

00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:13.039
They don't they can't the pharmacy, they don't have basic medicine.

00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:13.279
Right.

00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:14.640
They don't have base, you know.

00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:30.559
We have I I remember we went to a season at healing place where we kept on site diapers and wipes and anything for babies, because there were there was a season in our state where the the the the health and human services were having some challenges uh because of the state budget.

00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:32.400
Therefore, we kept some on hand.

00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:38.000
There are some things that's just obviously in your city that you can just say, okay, well, let's start there.

00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:39.920
You know, and we all do the same thing.

00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:42.640
We talk to city officials when there's a need.

00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:48.240
Or I'm gonna tell you right now, there are just uh times within the calendar where people have needs.

00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:50.480
Mother's Day, you can reach out to widows.

00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:51.599
We talked about Thanksgiving.

00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:51.839
Yeah.

00:28:52.079 --> 00:29:00.160
Christmas is an obvious time where there are families that don't have what they need to experience Christ or to experience a blessing.

00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:02.319
So you kind of start with some of those things.

00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:05.039
And then I believe, and you saw it here with the ice storm.

00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:05.599
Oh, yeah.

00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:09.279
There are just some things that happen that we should not look away.

00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:09.759
Yes.

00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:15.119
And we've got to take our one truck and our one generator, and we've got to go help somebody.

00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:31.359
So sometimes it's just what's there in the house, what's obvious, what do you have a burden for, what's the pain, what's the cry of the community, what are you being told, and then what has happened that has caught your attention that we can go down there and be a part of it.

00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:32.400
Yes, I love it.

00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:33.200
I love it.

00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:35.519
I think you know you mentioned the ice storm.

00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:43.440
I've never been more proud of our people because it when you get the spirit of that in the culture, we didn't even have time to organize.

00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:47.759
Like this, there was not it was not a okay, we're gonna have a rally and then we're gonna put it in the middle of the year.

00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:49.279
I was getting videos from y'all, man.

00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:50.160
It's like, let's go.

00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:52.480
There's just guys just started getting four wheel drive.

00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:59.759
One guy bought one of those big uh, you know, ATV deals, you know, like is this like a full air conditioner.

00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:00.640
Radio.

00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:02.240
He and his wife's like, What did you buy?

00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:06.400
That he's like, I bought this for Jesus for the Lord.

00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:10.640
I mean there was ATVs, there were four-wheel drives, they're cutting down.

00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:14.720
I don't even know if it was illegal, they're just chopping trees down, getting people firewood.

00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:17.599
The whole city froze and water became an issue.

00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:20.880
And then we were able to get a tanker truck of water here.

00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:21.599
Remember.

00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:29.440
And I will say this nobody cares about your style of church, how big the church.

00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:31.839
No one came up and said, now what kind of church are y'all?

00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.960
No one said, you know, what kind of music do you have?

00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:41.359
No one said, uh, you know what, uh, this is a little bigger than I like, or this is a little smaller.

00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:42.640
None of those mattered.

00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:44.240
They cared about one thing.

00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:46.799
Who has water?

00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:50.000
And the city, in fact, we were in a real challenge.

00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:54.640
We were, we, we've always gone to our city and wherever our campuses are, we're here to serve.

00:30:54.720 --> 00:31:00.240
We do all the clear clear all the code violations for them with people who can't do it.

00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:06.799
And but we were in a real tense, we were expanding and we were in a challenge with tree mitigation.

00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:10.319
And this was like a multi-million dollar type.

00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:15.519
I mean, and man, when we got water for the whole city, there was no tension.

00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:18.720
They put our website on the city, I think I remember that.

00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:21.920
The city web page, milestone church.

00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:23.759
Go there to get water.

00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:27.119
And I mean, that was really impactful for me to see.

00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:31.839
Like, I think we I think we underestimate a lot of times.

00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:34.799
We as the church, here's what we have.

00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:36.799
We have resources.

00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:40.799
Sometimes that's resources from people giving.

00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:45.839
I I pastor a very generous church where I always tell them, because you're so generous, we can act.

00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:46.240
Yeah.

00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:49.039
You know, but that didn't it didn't start there.

00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:55.680
We we just keep we keep but there's also other like resources that people have, as you said.

00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:58.240
There is Yeah, there's like the resource of a small group.

00:31:58.319 --> 00:31:58.480
Yeah.

00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:05.839
Some of the things that I've I've told churches is, you know, you get eight people together, have a heart for God, they're gonna come up with an idea.

00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:06.240
Yeah.

00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:10.400
Because one of them is seeing something in the workplace or they're hearing something, yeah.

00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:11.519
They're gonna come up with something.

00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:15.039
And then the other thing, and we do a lot of this, is you find good partners.

00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:15.519
Yes.

00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:18.160
There's some people in your community that are doing things.

00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:18.640
Yes.

00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:19.599
And you know what they need?

00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:21.279
They need bodies, they need a good attitude.

00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:22.400
That's the other thing we have.

00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:22.960
Go ahead.

00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:23.599
We have people.

00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:24.160
Yeah.

00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:32.559
Then and there's a there's there's somebody over here who's got the wineskin, the infrastructure, the connection, the connection, the need, the expertise.

00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:32.880
Yeah.

00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:39.119
And then we're like, well, let's take three small groups and go flood that thing on Saturday and show up and make a difference.

00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:42.079
Yeah, I I was gonna mention that because you've taught me that too.

00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:48.559
Not everybody is the right partner, but there are people in your community that are the right fit to partner with.

00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:51.279
Yeah, there's a lot of tools on the toolboard.

00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:56.640
You know, when you walk in and there's, you know, you see a guy who's got a good garage, he's got all his tools up there.

00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:57.039
Yeah.

00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:58.720
And I think there's a lot of tools.

00:32:59.039 --> 00:32:59.759
I don't have a lot of tools.

00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:00.400
I don't either.

00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:01.839
I'm just in a little small box.

00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:02.720
Mine too.

00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:04.480
Because if you get tools, you have to fix stuff.

00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:04.880
Yeah, yeah.

00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:06.640
So I'm my wife laughs at me.

00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:08.960
The other day, I bought a tool and she was like, Why?

00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:10.559
Why did you buy a tool?

00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:12.240
You're not you're calling my dad.

00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:13.519
No, a hundred percent.

00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:18.960
But you know, in the kingdom, there's a lot of tools on the wall, and I think sometimes they're not connected.

00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:20.559
My my father-in-law caught some rats.

00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:26.720
Caught some rats in our garage because there's rats in there, and I was like, How do you catch these things?

00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:28.559
These weren't mice, these were full grumbling.

00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:30.079
Like New York City rats.

00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:33.279
He put peanut butter.

00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:35.119
It's just a trick in case you ever try it.

00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:38.400
Peanut butter will catch a rat on that trap.

00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:44.640
But then the problem was they all he caught two or three of them things that were the size of a small dog, and I was like, call your dad to come get them.

00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:47.279
I'm not disposing of them.

00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:52.000
You made me think of that with his father-in-law, but I think outreach.

00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:54.000
We overcomplicate it, right?

00:33:54.160 --> 00:34:12.159
Like it's just like, hey, get some wins, get get some traction, serve some people, get get some pass out water, pass out a snow cone, serve, you know, and and and I think when that gets in there, it it starts multiplying.

00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:16.480
The last thing I would probably say that, and this is something God's dealing with me on.

00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:16.719
Okay.

00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:17.760
It's very fresh.

00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:18.079
Okay.

00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:19.840
Is me personally.

00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:20.320
Yeah.

00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:20.800
Yeah.

00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:26.639
Me being moved with compassion, me being willing to be interrupted, me being willing to notice.

00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:29.760
So I've, you know, we're all busy, we're all running places.

00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.079
And God began to really convict me.

00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:37.760
I mean, like Holy Spirit conviction when I traveled that I was too into my thing.

00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:38.400
Right.

00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:43.519
And God started dealing with me to notice, to pause, to look at the people around me.

00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:44.000
Yeah.

00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:46.719
And there are just, you see, people in need.

00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:53.360
So I try to travel with a little bit of some some small bills, a five, a ten, a one, whatever.

00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:56.639
And and it and and or to just be kind.

00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:57.199
Right.

00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:00.800
Uh I spoke to my flight attendant today, and and we had a conversation.

00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:03.599
I was trying to be a blessing to this person.

00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:04.079
Amen.

00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:12.800
And uh, and then, you know, the other day I was at an airport and uh a lady fell, and people were walking around her.

00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:13.280
Yeah.

00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:24.079
So me and this other lady who was like Jesus, and this other guy stopped, and and we just try we stayed around her till the EMS came because it was embarrassing for people to walk around her.

00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:24.400
Right.

00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:28.639
So we made a little shield and we just tried to encourage her because she had hurt herself.

00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:28.800
Right.

00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:35.760
Then the EMS came, and I I don't know nothing about once that's done, but it's like, you know, I I don't need, I don't want to have a generous church.

00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:36.559
I want to be generous.

00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:36.960
Yes.

00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:39.360
I'm not trying to raise up a compassionate team.

00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:39.679
Right.

00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:45.679
If I'm not compassionate and I don't have time, and I'm not being led or I'm not feeling the nudge.

00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:47.280
Hey, buy that, you know.

00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:48.960
I was at the store the other day.

00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.159
The Holy Spirit nudged me and said, buy the buy those groceries.

00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:52.400
Yes.

00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:56.079
Because this precious lady with her kids was putting some stuff back.

00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:56.480
Yeah.

00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:58.639
And so she was short$17.

00:35:59.199 --> 00:35:59.519
Right.

00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:03.280
I and at the season of life that I'm in, I could take that 17.

00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:05.280
And it was like, well, hey, no.

00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:10.000
And and I don't want to, ladies and gentlemen, you know, I am doing an outreach.

00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:11.679
You know, it was just, no, no, no, no.

00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:12.559
It's good, it's fine.

00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:13.519
You take that on God.

00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:14.000
I got it.

00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:14.400
I got it.

00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:18.000
And I think that to me, that's where the world's changed.

00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:18.559
Right.

00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:26.320
It's, you know, it's 20,000 people here that say, I'm going to on a weekly basis try to notice more.

00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:26.719
Right.

00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:32.800
And try to listen to the nudge of what do I see that I can help?

00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:33.199
Yes.

00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:38.000
What injustice, what can I protect, what can I defend?

00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:38.480
Yes.

00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:42.559
As it relates to those that are vulnerable, those that are suffering.

00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:45.679
And I I think that makes a great church.

00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:49.119
And I also believe that it move it leads to the move of God.

00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:50.159
I agree.

00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:54.320
I'm going to preach, I'm going to preach this fall on more love.

00:36:54.480 --> 00:37:06.800
You know, the the the consistent message that I'm giving is as we're opening new campuses, we're about to open a new building west of here, we're not, it's not more buildings.

00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:09.119
It's not it's not bigger buildings.

00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:10.800
They are more buildings.

00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:12.639
More space.

00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:17.039
It's about more love, bigger heart, bigger impact.

00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:28.320
And I mean the scripture says that when we when we really are that body that's fitted together and using our gifts and walking in unity, that there is more love.

00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:29.679
There's more love.

00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:37.199
And I love the the result, the the this is how it happens as each part does its work.

00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:47.039
Isn't it I mean, I know for you when you're walking around those outreaches and you're seeing it's such a beautiful thing when you see people using their part.

00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:48.800
Oh so beautiful.

00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:52.320
Uh uh in in in ways I could never do.

00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:52.800
Oh.

00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:56.480
Making a difference in ways I could never make a difference.

00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:57.920
I mean, in it.

00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:06.159
We remodeled one of our recent projects, we remodeled the home of a single mom that had been impacted in our church.

00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:10.880
And uh her daughter had a real struggle and committed suicide.

00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:12.239
Oh man, pain.

00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:16.480
And we went, her her daughter's room was still like it was.

00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:19.519
So we had people that served.

00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:26.559
I had I had a guy who sh who like took off work and went and like laid the floors and did extra effort.

00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:28.559
I was like, man, thank you, man.

00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:31.599
I mean, he really like hours worth of investment.

00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:44.000
But one lady took and took the notes that this girl had written to her mom that she found a little box in her room, and she put those in a frame.

00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:48.400
And when we showed her her new house, we unveiled that frame.

00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:52.639
I'll I mean, I was I almost I'm so breakdown right now.

00:38:52.880 --> 00:39:03.280
Oh my I mean, and that mom said, She said, every night I look at that and I think about God's generosity because I don't want my daughter to be forgotten, and she that just reminds me of her.

00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:05.039
I mean, it was it was just so powerful.

00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:07.760
And so I saw that lady has a special place in her life.

00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:09.679
Oh, that lady, and they hugged again.

00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:11.679
They hugged, and she was like, I did this.

00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:13.440
I I really thought about it.

00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:17.280
I was like praying about every how to position the little notes from your daughter.

00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:19.599
It's just that's the champion of the church.

00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:21.280
Oh, those are the heroes.

00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:27.039
Yeah, it's not the people on the stage most of the time, it's that lady that's uh that's so amazing.

00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.239
I wanna I want to shift gears just for a second.

00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:50.320
I wanna, I wanna, I think something if I I I mean you and I are are friends and we talk a lot, but if I were listening to a podcast and you're the executive director of of this group that's plants churches and you spend a lot of time encouraging, because I want to go a little bit to another hat.

00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:56.960
I would want to ask this Dino, where's the church at?

00:39:57.119 --> 00:39:58.480
Like, how how are we doing?

00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:02.559
Like, what's going on, what's how how's the how how's the church?

00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:05.440
You know, I mean we we do see a lot of pain in culture.

00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:07.760
I I I had this thought the other day.

00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:16.880
I I don't know if the world is worse or we're just exposed to more of what's bad about it.

00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:19.599
I I don't I don't know the answer to that personally.

00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:20.960
It's a good thought.

00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:27.920
I see a lot of great things, I see a lot of amazing things, I see God doing something in this next generation, as you were mentioning.

00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:30.880
I mean, I see so many, but it was also a lot of pain.

00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:34.159
There's a lot that that we would all say, I wish it was different.

00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.440
But how is the church and what are you seeing?

00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:42.880
What are what are what are you seeing uh in in as you're just like, man, I'm I'm seeing this.

00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:49.440
Um what what are some trends, some some um strengths?

00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.079
Yeah, what what give us give us a little thought on that?

00:40:52.400 --> 00:41:01.840
You when you describe what that lady did for that uh mother who lost their daughter, that tells me the church is doing great because that is the church.

00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:02.639
That's right.

00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:05.679
And so, and and I hear stories like that nonstop.

00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:06.480
Is there pain?

00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:07.599
Is there disappointment?

00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:08.639
Yeah, is there hurt?

00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:09.679
Is there trauma?

00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:11.840
Is there wow that let me down?

00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.920
Wow, that person didn't live up to, man, that was a bad decision.

00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:17.199
Okay, that hurt me.

00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:17.519
Right.

00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:19.599
Uh yes, one thousand percent.

00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:20.960
There's always been that.

00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:21.360
Right.

00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:23.440
Uh I do think we know more about it.

00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:23.760
Right.

00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:29.440
I think information uh has changed uh so much of that.

00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:39.199
So yes, it it and but at the same time, you know, it says in Acts, we get it out of Joel, that in the last day God's gonna pour out his spirit.

00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:42.239
You see what's gonna happen with the next generation, right?

00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:46.400
You see that there will be fathers, and then I love that last part.

00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:49.679
And whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:50.000
Right.

00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:51.119
That is at work.

00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:51.519
Yeah.

00:41:51.760 --> 00:42:04.480
I mean, when you think about salvation numbers that we're getting out of the 1040 window, when you think about some of the the impact that's happening in some closed countries, right, you and I both give to some of those things.

00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:08.800
And we support ministries that are on the ground doing some amazing things.

00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:21.039
I heard some statistics the other day out of a country that we really don't want to talk about and mention, and it was in the neighborhood of about 14,000 young men a week are coming to Christ.

00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:23.519
And this is a very close country.

00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:23.840
Right.

00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:30.960
And so bit when I think globally, right, a bit and I and I think you always have I think sometimes we get focused on America.

00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:31.360
Right.

00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:33.360
Well, God's not Uncle Sam.

00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:33.679
Right.

00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:36.239
And it is, you know, it God is the God of the whole world.

00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:36.800
True.

00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:39.039
And of course, America is super important.

00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:41.199
And thank God for what's happening here.

00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:43.599
But I think you have to have a biblical worldview.

00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:48.000
I try to have a biblical worldview of what is he doing in Brazil.

00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:48.480
Right.

00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:52.480
What's happening in some of the things of Europe right now that we're getting these drops of revival?

00:42:52.960 --> 00:43:00.880
The quiet, they're calling it the quiet revival where you're seeing young men and young people in the UK coming back to church.

00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:07.599
These churches that we've heard forever are empty, these cathedrals that are now museums, that are now hotels and restaurants.

00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:07.840
Yeah.

00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:09.679
Well, now those things are changing.

00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:14.800
I just left South Africa, and there were about 1,100 at this conference.

00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:24.400
There were probably 215, 220 churches there, and we've got more people in the queue to plant a church across Southern Africa than we've ever experienced.

00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:33.119
And so I would say that yes, pain, yes, heartache, but the Bible's real clear that these are going to be perilous times.

00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:33.440
Right.

00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:40.960
But then also the Bible's real clear that there's going to be this outpouring, this salvation thing that's going to take place.

00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:41.360
Yes.

00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:44.639
So it's a yes and a yes, a no and a no for me.

00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:48.480
I have great hope because I'm around great pastors like yourself.

00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:50.159
I'm a pro-church guy.

00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:58.079
I'm not the guy who's telling anybody what's wrong with the church and nobody's doing it, and everybody, and I'm just not, I'll let somebody else do that.

00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:04.079
I'm around great churches with humble pastors that have a hunger for God.

00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:05.599
They love their wife.

00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:05.760
Yeah.

00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:07.039
They love people.

00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:12.079
The majority of the pastors I'm around are trying to do their best with what they have.

00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:17.840
I'll be at a church this weekend in a under, a really an undersaturated city.

00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:20.559
This pastor and his wife, they love God.

00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:21.440
They're doing their best.

00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:26.000
And two weeks from now, I'll be in a in a in a city that is very unchurched.

00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:33.840
That pastor loves God, is doing his best to reach people, to preach the gospel, and to disciple people.

00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:34.639
That's what I love about that.

00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:35.280
So I'm seeing that.

00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:36.480
That's what I love about you.

00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:47.760
And I think, you know, you you you spend a lot of time at those churches that are in a cafeteria or a little small building or trying to get traction and helping those guys.

00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:49.119
Pop-up buildings.

00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:50.000
Oh man.

00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:55.679
And I mean that you you and I have been there, so you have compassion, and a little bit goes a long way.

00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:58.400
So when you just love them and serve them, it's amazing.

00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:08.880
But you know, I would I would say for me the last five years, an absolute intensity around reaching lost people.

00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:27.119
Like I think as pressure increases, as challenges, you know, when it we we've done this long enough, there's seasons where it's like it's easy, and then there's times where you're just you just have to kind of plow, and there's a lot of external pressures, COVID, different things that we've all walked through.

00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:32.079
I had to ask myself, what what would I what what would I go all in again?

00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:38.000
What you know, if if we have to re-up for the army, yeah, what would what would I sign up for another tour?

00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:42.639
I'm just I'm just not it's too hard.

00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:46.320
It's it's too it takes too much emotional energy.

00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:59.360
It's it's it's to spend my life complaining, criticizing, picking apart, getting sidetracked, being mean superfluous things.

00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:06.639
And I and I I know this may sound very simple, but for me it was like I'll do it for lost, I'll do it for heaven.

00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:10.239
I'll I'll do it for when we go to heaven.

00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:14.079
Yeah, so there's more people there with Jesus.

00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:18.480
I'll, you know, that old song way back, thank you for giving to the Lord, right?

00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:21.280
Like it's like I'm a life that was changing.

00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:22.559
How much you're bringing it back.

00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:23.519
That's the old one.

00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:25.599
We actually did it on a Sunday not too long ago.

00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:26.719
It's a vintage.

00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:27.599
I'm talking.

00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:32.480
Thank you for giving I am alive.

00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:38.960
Literally, that week, three times I called the worship leader, I go, are we really going to do that?

00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:41.519
Actually, people were out there.

00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:49.599
I mean, this is I was at a church two weeks ago, like a real uh current church, doing some dropping some cool music.

00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:49.920
Yeah.

00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:54.480
A lot of people were looking to them, and man, we ended with shout to the Lord.

00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:56.079
And it was powerful.

00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:56.480
Yeah.

00:46:56.639 --> 00:47:00.800
I mean, Darling Check changed the worship game when God gave her that song.

00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:01.440
No doubt.

00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:02.239
I mean, it's a good thing.

00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:04.320
But I mean, all the young people don't know what that is.

00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:05.360
They think it's a new song.

00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:07.119
And we were like, man, that's a new song.

00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:08.480
Shout to the Lord.

00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:09.599
I need to download it.

00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:13.920
And so, but uh, you know, I I'm around people like you.

00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:21.920
I'm around people like Chris Hodges, I'm around people, you know, like uh Herbert Cooper, yeah, some of our dear friends Steve Robinson, Jacob Aran.

00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:23.760
We could list a thousand names.

00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:24.159
Yeah.

00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:26.320
They wake up in the morning wanting to do their best.

00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:26.639
Yeah.

00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:27.679
Not perfect.

00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:28.159
Yeah.

00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:33.519
Uh and not and not and uh but saying we we we could do better to reach people.

00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:42.320
My thought, even for this whole podcast, you know, I keep this this phrase keeps ringing, lift up your eyes.

00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:51.760
You know, what you're really saying is you gotta you gotta get out of here and looking down at me and the wrong things.

00:47:51.840 --> 00:48:07.199
And when Jesus said lift up your eyes to the harvest, to see the fields that are ripe with harvest, to to see that single mom, to see that need, to see that inmate.

00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:10.960
You gotta you gotta you gotta things that Jesus talked about?

00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:16.239
You gotta like let me let me hold on, you're looking way too low here.

00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:18.480
Let me help you see what I see.

00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:20.480
I was in a I I heard something the other day.

00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:23.840
I was I was listening, this person was just complaining about everything.

00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:24.800
I mean everything.

00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:25.199
Yeah.

00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:34.480
And and they were getting micro about the church and about pastors, and and again, I get it, people fail and people do bad things and and God help them.

00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:39.440
But I just thought, man, that person, I could tell, it's been a while since they've looked up.

00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:39.920
Right.

00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:44.639
It's been a while since they've looked at starving humanity in the Sudan.

00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:45.039
Yeah.

00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:49.519
It's been a while since they looked at the the elderly in Russia.

00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:50.079
Right.

00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:56.800
That they've looked at those that don't have scripture in these closed countries, don't have a Bible, don't have a page of scripture.

00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:01.599
It's like, have you looked up lately and seen someone that's struggling at a rehab?

00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:08.639
This Tuesday night we were praying for young adults at the altar until 10 o'clock at night, coming forward crying.

00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:23.280
One of the kids was a young man who came here from Nepal in business, and he was weeping, crying because I mean the government and just everything's just basically crumbled there, and he's like, I'm concerned for my parents' life, right?

00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:26.639
And so it kind of gives you a perspective, right?

00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:31.920
You're driving home going, I had a bad day, but I'm not dealing with that.

00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:36.800
You know, I mean, it it it it's it's like a good perspective shift.

00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:37.119
Yeah.

00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:45.280
I think one of the greatest things that gets you back centered is when you spend time with the hurting and the lonely.

00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:45.679
Yes.

00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:49.039
And you do pause your life and you lean into pain.

00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:49.519
Yes.

00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:56.880
Then you're not as quick to be so um assuming and to be so uh judgy.

00:49:57.199 --> 00:49:57.360
Right.

00:49:57.519 --> 00:49:59.199
And we live in a very judgy world.

00:49:59.440 --> 00:49:59.920
We do, yeah.

00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:04.719
And it's just like I I don't it it's it's hard to I f I forgot somebody said it.

00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:09.840
It's hard to analyze everybody else when you're when you're giving out water.

00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:10.239
Yeah.

00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:11.760
Or you're feeding the poor.

00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:18.480
I d people ask me, I still I remember asking you one time, our church had got to a certain place, I was like, Well, can I still shake hands?

00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:28.320
You know, because I kind of heard that like at some point you kind of get past and you were like, Well, if you love to, and and and you and you and you get a life, and you wh by all means.

00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:30.559
I was there's no so I just said, Well, okay, good.

00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:31.920
I like I like doing it.

00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:38.159
I like to stand in the foyer, you're the best, shake, and pray with pray, pray for people, shake hands.

00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:44.000
I was ministering to a kid that had come the last two weeks, coming out of addiction this weekend.

00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:49.039
And I say this, I'm happy to serve them, but I need it.

00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:58.800
And so I believe my preaching is more powerful because I'm not, it's not me and my study and a concept.

00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:02.880
You know, I told a pastor the other day, he goes, Yeah, we sent three surveys to our church.

00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:08.320
I'm like, well, if you just get with your people, I don't need a survey because I've actually talked to them.

00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:09.039
Yeah, yeah.

00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:11.280
They're they're telling us about their teenagers.

00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:12.079
You know what I mean?

00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:13.599
I mean, I'm not against surveying.

00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:20.480
My point is, I'm I'm if you're among them and shaking hands, it's like, well, I have I have real-time evidence, you know.

00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:22.960
That's what I think that word among them.

00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:23.280
Yeah.

00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:24.960
You got to figure out how that works for you.

00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:25.280
Right.

00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:33.039
And and everybody has a different personality and what whatever your dynamic is, but you do have to figure out, you know, how to be among them.

00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:35.679
And I, you know, we started our church, I was bivocational.

00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:41.599
So I'm cutting grass, I'm washing cars, I'm working out here at this hardware store for a minute.

00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:43.840
You know, Dylan was working at a little hospital.

00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:45.360
I mean, we were among them.

00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:45.760
Right.

00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:52.159
And then, you know, and then you as you gr move in this thing, you have to keep figuring that out.

00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:52.480
Yes.

00:51:52.719 --> 00:52:00.159
Whether it's coaching little league, or it's continuing to lead an outreach, or you lead a small group, or you're in the foyer.

00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:00.800
Yes.

00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:05.039
Or on your day off, you're going to take care of your mom who's a widow.

00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:07.119
You just have to keep figuring that out.

00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:07.760
You do.

00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:11.039
And and I think that's for every businessman, every leader.

00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:13.519
That's not a ministry thing, that's a life thing.

00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:19.199
You show me a businessman that gets detached, and I'm going to show you a guy that's going to get unhealthy.

00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:19.519
Yeah.

00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:24.159
You show me uh a college student with withdrawals.

00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:24.719
Right.

00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:27.440
You know, they're they're going to lose perspective on everything.

00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:31.360
So it's a it's a you have to keep figuring out how to be among them.

00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:31.920
Yes.

00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:37.519
You know, as a and and you're so good talking about being a shepherd, caring for the flock of God.

00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:37.920
Yeah.

00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:43.599
And you can't care from them, you know, from a you know, a hundred miles up in a shepherd smells like sheep.

00:52:43.679 --> 00:52:43.840
Yeah.

00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:44.239
That's right.

00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:44.880
You gotta see.

00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:46.559
You've helped the body of Christ with that.

00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:46.960
Yeah.

00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:48.719
Well, thank you for being with me.

00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:50.159
Thank you for being my friend.

00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:53.360
Thank you for all what you do to encourage so many.

00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:55.119
And uh it's been a great conversation.

00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:56.480
Thank you, Pastor Jeff.

00:52:56.559 --> 00:52:57.519
Little lead to win.

00:52:57.599 --> 00:52:59.599
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00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:10.559
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