92: The Secret to Making Yourself More Resilient with Gratus Health's Mike Shaw

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Welcome to the Colonial Real
Estate Podcast.

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Estate Podcast.

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I'm your mortgage broker host,

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Taylor Atkinson.

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And I'm your real estate agent

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host, Matt Glenn.

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What's shaking today, Taylor?

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Just got down from Ski Hill, spent
the last week up there.

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It was...

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Yes, you have.

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have.

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That was awesome.

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So, okay, so it's been freezing
down here.

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What's the temperature been like
up there?

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It was pretty cold up there too,
but we had a couple sunny days and

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like, yeah, when the sun was just
beating off the snow, it kind of

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warmed you up a little bit, but
very...

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Interesting kind of segue into
today's guest because we recorded

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this about five weeks ago.

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So Mike Shaw, who was just like an

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absolute awesome guy to have on,
he was a competitive skier and was

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coaching for the Olympic team, got
in a pretty tragic accident and

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became paralyzed.

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I didn't think it was tragic.

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It didn't seem tragic talking to
him.

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Well, yeah, I mean, I guess his
outlook on life was optimistic

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moving forward, but like, I
imagine it's a bit of a difficult

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time when you have an accident
like that.

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But anyways, I guess the segue I
was referring to is, you know, we

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spoke to him about five weeks ago
and talking about skiing and his

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big thing is gratitude.

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You know, that's how he basically

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recovered from being paralyzed,
which, you know, spoiler alert.

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He is functional.

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He walked up the stairs to the

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office.

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Literally a quadriplegic who

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walked up the stairs to record the
episode.

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I guess the Literally a
quadriplegic who walked up the

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stairs to record the episode.

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Yeah.

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I didn't even know it was
possible.

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I didn't know that was possible
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Yeah.

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I don't know what the stat is,

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like one in a million or
something, but it's incredible.

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So his big thing was like, hey,
how I recovered was gratitude and

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picked out whether it was a
positive thing that happened or a

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negative thing, like figured out
how gratitude could elevate him to

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that next level.

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That was this week as well.

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I've been kind of thinking a lot
about that stuff, but you know.

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trying to teach my three -year
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Me being on skis as well, since I
don't ski, I'm a snowboarder.

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But I was teaching him how to ski.

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And there was great days, which I

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had a lot of gratitude towards.

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And there was bad days where I

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don't know what happened.

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The previous day, he was great at

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skiing, loved it.

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And the next day, he did not want

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to ski.

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He wanted ice skate.

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But I had to like really practice
gratitude, be like, you know what?

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At least I'm here and like with my
son and we're having fun and

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finished off the week where Emily
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I'm here and like with my son and
we're having fun and finished off

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the week where Emily and I took
him up the plaza chair.

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And, you know, cause we were kind
of struggling with the magic

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carpet.

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He just wouldn't like, he wasn't

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really jiving with it in the last
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I was like, let's just avoid it.

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And we'll like hype up the chair.

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So we went up the chair with three
great runs.

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He absolutely loved it.

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It was beaming.

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How do you like the chair?
Oh, I thought it was the coolest

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thing ever.

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Yeah.

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But on the last run, like, man, my
legs were burning.

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My back was killing.

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Like I'm just doing pizzas, like

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trying to hold this kid up on skis
that I don't ski on.

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And 20 feet to the bottom, I kind
of had to turn to like, you know,

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I was at the edge of the run and I
had to like come back the other

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way.

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And I kind of slingshotted him a

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little bit with the pole and he
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He just, yeah.

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But.

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Still a great week, you know?
Does he think that?

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Does think that?
He does, yeah.

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We solved it with hot chocolate
and marshmallows.

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But anyways, the point is, listen
to the show.

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You guys are going to love Mike.

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Really, really.

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cool guy.

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And like the mindset is just

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incredible.

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So I think you're going to love

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the show.

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Yeah.

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Mindset over everything is
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Relevant to like real estate right
now, as we were talking is, you

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know, there's a lot of, a lot of
bad media or a lot of volatile

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media, especially with like
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Damn tariffs.

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If you look at it in an optimistic

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way, as you were saying, Matt and
previous shows, you know, there's

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opportunities in these times.

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There's always opportunities.

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always opportunities.

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Winston Churchill, my favorite

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historical figure, says never
waste a good crisis.

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So it's like, it makes sense.

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There's always an opportunity in

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every situation.

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If the tariffs come, which they

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probably won't, but who knows,
they might.

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You know, there's going to be
hurting out there, but there'll be

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opportunities too.

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So, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And in regards to that too, we are

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having Brendan Ogmanson back on,
BCREA chief economist, and he's

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got a bunch of scenarios to review
on tariffs.

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So Matt and I won't even really.

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talk during that episode.

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We'll just let Brendan.

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Yeah.

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It's when you think about the
repercussions, it's just like,

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it's mind boggling.

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You think, okay, interest rates

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are obviously going to go down,
but then you'd think inflation is

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going to go up.

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So does that mean interest rates

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are going to go up?
Like what's going on here?

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So we don't know.

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So we got the champ himself,

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Brendan Anderson on to tell us
what's up, but even he's not that

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sure about it.

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Right.

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Like, I guess no one really knows,
but he would have the best idea.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I think he's done quite a

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bit of data on figuring out
potential.

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But again, like this stuff is,
like everything in the past five

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years, it's all been very drastic
changes.

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I just want to say this comment.

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I think if the terrorists do come,

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I think what Canada needs to do is
send out an army of salespeople to

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every other country, right?
To the east, over the Pacific, to

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all the Asian countries, South
America, Europe, and just start

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selling our shit everywhere else
except for the US.

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Right?
Doesn't that make sense?

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You would be like the lead
candidate for that job.

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Get you out there.

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Get me on there, man.

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Honestly, I don't even know what
I'm selling.

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Just put it in my backpack and
I'll come back with contracts for

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everybody.

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Honestly, though, I think we just

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go out there and just sell
ourselves to every other country

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because that would be an amazing
opportunity.

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So that's what I think.

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That's my political sensory there.

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Yeah, for my political I love it.

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We got great training programs,
but train me up.

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The reason why I'm just so damn
successful right now.

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But yeah, we are a good spot to
be.

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If you have any questions at all,
give us a show.

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Hey, I got a question.

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Super Bowl is happening in about

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an hour and a half.

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Who do you think is going to win?

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I want the Eagles to win, but I
don't think you can beat Mahomes.

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I'm comfortable right now saying
that Mahomes is going to win.

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I'm the same, but I just like,
come on, man.

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You know what I want to see in the
Super Bowl?

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And this is funny because you guys
are going to be listening to this

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after it's recorded, but I want
Saquon to have a 200 -yard rushing

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game, if not 300.

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Just absolutely go off.

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That's my main goal for this game.

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That's your goal.

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I love it.

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Less important who wins.

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More important, Saquon just has
the...

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Because that dude's a champ, man.

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He just suffered for so many years

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in the worst franchise in the
league in the Giants.

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Gets over to the Eagles and just
has a stellar season.

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It'd be sweet to see him cap it
off at the Super Bowl.

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There you go.

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you go.

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Some opportunity, you know?
It was a grind, but he was

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probably practicing gratitude
thinking, you know what?

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I'm playing in the NFL.

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in the NFL.

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I think that's exactly right.

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So I would love to see him win the

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MVP tonight.

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That's what I'm hoping for.

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Okay.

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All right, guys.

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Well, enjoy the show.

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Enjoy the game.

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And yeah.

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Enjoy the show.

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Mike Shaw, welcome to the show,
man.

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Thanks for having me, boys.

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It's a pleasure to be here.

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Yeah.

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Well, we like to just start our

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show with what's your perfect
Friday look like?

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What do you do for productivity?
What's kind of your daily routine?

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And what do you do for fun going
into the weekend?

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Cool.

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Perfect Friday would be skiing

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waist -deep powder wherever I
could get that in the backcountry.

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That's sort of one of my passions
that I live for.

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That's what I saw, That's what I
saw, Pete, thinking about your

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history.

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No kidding.

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kidding.

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It's a blessing to be able to

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explore the backcountry and slack
country that we have nearby in the

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Okanagan.

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But Perfect Friday on a regular

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week.

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I have a pretty... consistent

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morning routine where I wake up
between five and five 30 and spend

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a bit of time for myself, either
reading or just reflecting and

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enjoying a coffee.

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And I heard Steve on the last show

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say the exact same thing.

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And I'm like, oh man, he's on it

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too.

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like, oh man, he's on it too.

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Recipe for success though.

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Yeah, I usually start with that

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intentional time for myself and
then I'll get some physical

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activity in, whether it's a run or
a workout.

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And then I'll dive into whatever
I've got on that day.

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And my fulfillment comes from
supporting others or helping them.

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clinical counselor or a speaker.

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So I'm usually actively working an

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event or supporting individuals or
organizations.

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And I think the fulfillment I get
from that is what is the most

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rewarding and would be the answer
that I'd probably lead with is

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being helpful.

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And that fulfillment would be a

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perfect day.

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Yeah.

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What's your career?
What do you tell people you do

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for?
career right now?

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It's a good question.

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a good question.

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One that I've taken a while to
learn how to answer, but now I'm a

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clinical counselor and a
professional speaker.

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I've done a number of different
projects in the entrepreneurial

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space over the years.

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And so I've led with the

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entrepreneur title.

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I'm also an author.

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I've also been a consultant in
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I've done a number of different
things, but now my big driver is

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clinical counseling and speaking.

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Nice.

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Taylor and I need a lot of
counseling and need to learn how

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to speak.

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counseling need to learn how to

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speak.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You won't be short of work here.

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How'd you get here?

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Like obviously Matt and I know
your story, but yeah, kind of

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start from the beginning.

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here.

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I grew up in the Okanagan and I
love it here.

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It's amazing.

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The accessibility outside here to

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adventure is like no other.

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And I grew up doing all sorts of

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sports, but the one I fell in love
with was freestyle skiing.

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As a young person, I was a
competitive athlete.

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Turned coach and I worked my way
up to coach the Canadian Olympic

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development half pipe ski team.

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And in 2013, specifically on

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December 16th, 2013, my life
changed forever.

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In a routine trick demonstration
for a couple of my athletes, I

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performed a 720, two full
rotations where you take off

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forwards and land forwards.

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But on landing, I ended up like

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landing.

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what I call some punchy snow.

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You know what I mean?
I say that like, just, I punched

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through these soft layers or
crusty layers of snow and it ended

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up stopping my skis dead in my
track, pitching me forward onto my

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head and neck.

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And my feet came up over top of my

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body, kind of like a scorpion's
tail.

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And they just, this brief, but
sharp pop and pain in my neck.

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And then nothing.

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I tumbled downhill, slid to a

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stop, face down in the snow,
screaming at what I thought was

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the top of my lungs.

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Just like, no, no, no, no, God,

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no. This brief but sharp pain in
my neck.

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I can't move.

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I can't roll over.

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I can't feel anything in my body.

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I couldn't bounce back up to my

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feet like I'd done countless times
before falling skiing.

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And my world in that moment came
physically and figuratively

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crashing down.

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Did you know what happened right

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away?
It was a really sobering event.

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Like my mental clarity was like, I
wish I could reproduce that on a

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daily basis because I'd never been
more clear in my mind in that

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moment.

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They say like your life flashes

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before your eyes and a near death
experience because it's just

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searching for any kind of
experience that's similar to that

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to try to pull from.

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to help you.

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And so my mind was racing, but it
was also very clear because one of

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my first thoughts was, well, I'm
lucky I didn't just have a

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concussion at the same time.

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I'd spent about six or seven

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months that year out with a
concussion, but the thought went

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through my mind.

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Like, I'm glad I'm not confused

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and paralyzed right now because I
figured that would be a lot

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harder, but I knew because of one
of my great friends and mentors

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and ski coach that was in my life,
had a spinal cord injury, broke

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his back.

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rocks the world from a wheelchair

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today.

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His name is Josh Dueck.

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So I thought of him immediately
and I thought of my situation.

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I knew the gravity of it.

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So I did know right away how bad

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it was.

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Yeah, it was difficult.

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Like I thought about everything.

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I was like, I just ruined my

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parents' retirement.

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You know, like I was 26, I was 27

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at the time.

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And so I was like, this is going

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to devastate my family.

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I knew in that moment that I'd

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probably lost skiing forever.

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Like every hope and dream, like

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wanting to go to the Olympics,
which was my original dream as an

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athlete that I thought I might
fulfill as a coach, like leading

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the next generation that was gone.

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Would I ever ski again?

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Probably not.

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Would I ever have a family?

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Like, you know, kids, just
everything was proof in an instant

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lost.

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And my identity, everything that I

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knew about myself was like wrapped
up in this person.

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who skied and my action spoke for
themselves, you know, like it was,

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if you could hit the jump or ski
the half pipe, it was what you

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could do, not necessarily who you
were that mattered.

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And so like my identity, my
independence, everything was just

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gone.

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So rock bottom.

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That happened in Denver, right?
Near Denver.

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I was in Summit County, Colorado.

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So near where Copper Mountain,

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Breckenridge, Keystone, Aerofo
Basin, North Star.

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There's a... ton of resorts out
that valley, but I was at Copper

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Mountain in the morning and then
we drove actually over to Keystone

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that afternoon and it happened at
Keystone.

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Then you were airlifted to Denver,
the hospital, is that right?

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Yeah, airlifted to Denver, had
surgery that night.

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They surgically installed two
titanium rods and 10 screws in my

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neck, fusing me from my third
vertebrae down to my seventh.

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You might say I've got a bit of a
stiff neck now.

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Are the rods still there?
Yeah, there?

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Yeah, it's a bad joke.

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It's my best material.

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But they're still in there.

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And I've had a remarkable recovery

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from spinal cord injury.

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And technically, I'm still an

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incomplete quadriplegic.

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I don't have full feeling or

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dexterity in my hands, my fingers.

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I lose sensation on my lower half

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of my body, on my skin.

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So I lose my balance like up to 50

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times a day.

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So like balance, coordination,

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agility is difficult.

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My strength and capacity takes so

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much work to maintain.

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And I deal with pain on a daily

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basis, but I am so lucky.

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I'm like maybe the luckiest of the

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unlucky.

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No one's lucky to have a spinal

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cord injury, but I am grateful
every single day for my good

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fortune.

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Yeah, because the studio we're in

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right now is upstairs and you
walked up here, is upstairs and

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you walked up here, no problem.

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Yeah, most places in the world are

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not.

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accessible you know like talk

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about like you know most buildings
aren't but when you start thinking

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about nature a sandy beach is a no
-go you know cobblestone pathway

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is a no -go in a wheelchair like
or really difficult you're not

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going down on river walks or
hiking or you know skiing

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adaptations are required for all
of it and when i get to do some of

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the simplest things like you say
like walking up a flight of stairs

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into a building sometimes it
catches me and i just feel So

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lucky.

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What is the percentage of recovery

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from an injury like that?
know like the percentage of

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recovery from an injury like that?
I've never heard of this before,

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so it's got to be obviously pretty
rare.

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Me neither.

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It is certainly becoming less and

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less rare now, which is awesome
with modern medical practices.

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And there's better research being
done right now.

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I believe that eventually spinal
cord injuries will be recoverable

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on a much grander scale.

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But right now, it's still a

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very... small percentage of people
that once you have a spinal cord

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injury get to get better.

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So it's not lost on me how unique

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mine is.

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Like, I don't know if it's one in

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a million, one in 10 million or
one in a thousand, but it's not

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tons.

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Do you have like the medical

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industry reaching out to you being
like, reaching out to you being

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like, how did you do this?
Studies and stuff like that?

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Yeah.

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Interestingly, yes.

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And it's happened.

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quite recently, where in Kelowna

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at UBC Okanagan, they have like 16
different, they call them labs,

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but it's under the same sort of
umbrella for spinal cord injury

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research.

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I teamed up with Chris West on a

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project.

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I'm the community representative

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or the community partner from the
spinal cord injury community as a

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consultant on a clinical trial for
quadriplegics to try to reduce the

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secondary injury that occurs via
swelling in the spine for people

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that have had acute injuries.

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So we're actually, we've got a

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grant going right now and
hopefully within the year we'll be

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testing a clinical trial to try to
reduce that acute secondary

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injury, which is part of the
reason why I recovered.

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I had prompt.

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attention from, you know, medical

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team and my surgery was in eight
and a half hours after my spinal

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cord injury.

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So that secondary injury that I'm

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talking about that happens usually
delayed within the first 12 to 36

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hours of swelling.

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That was reduced significantly in

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mind just because of how quickly
they got it.

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But most people don't get into
surgery that fast.

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I was lucky.

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And so how can we do an

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intervention before then
medicinally to try to prevent that

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swelling from happening?
And that's our game plan.

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But yeah.

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Well, yeah, I mean, that's

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amazing.

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But let's not take anything away

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from what you did mentally to
like, I know, speaking to you, and

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you mentioned it already is
gratitude, like how that has

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really impacted the healing stage.

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Yeah, maybe elaborate.

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on that awfully astute of you
because i actually pitched an idea

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to chris west at ubco where i was
like we should do a

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psychologically driven study to
test how mindset and getting your

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body into a place of homeostasis
with good chemistry in your brain

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and body that's driven through the
mind could activate better healing

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because i know in my case awfully
astute of you because i actually

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pitched an idea to chris west at
ubco where i was like we should do

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a psychologically driven study to
test how mindset and getting your

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body into a place of homeostasis
with good chemistry in your brain

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and body that's driven through the
mind could activate better healing

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because i know in my case Tools
like gratitude and shifting my

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psychology opened the door to
healing.

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It wasn't just that I had a
mechanism of injury and surgery

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that made it recoverable.

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My healing has been extraordinary.

513
00:17:01,310 --> 00:17:05,589
And I've often walked this in line
between how much of it was

514
00:17:05,730 --> 00:17:07,650
surgical intervention, how much of
it was psychological intervention.

515
00:17:07,770 --> 00:17:10,369
And I've had some people in my
life, some great mentors say like,

516
00:17:10,369 --> 00:17:13,609
what's telling you that it's not?
where your mindset was in all of

517
00:17:13,609 --> 00:17:14,050
this.

518
00:17:14,050 --> 00:17:16,750
And so I've been leaning into that

519
00:17:16,750 --> 00:17:20,450
and I would like to study it
personally to get definite data on

520
00:17:20,450 --> 00:17:22,670
it and do an empirical study.

521
00:17:22,670 --> 00:17:24,510
But for me, I'm like, I know that

522
00:17:24,510 --> 00:17:29,830
the gift of gratitude was so
significant for helping me heal.

523
00:17:29,830 --> 00:17:30,650
Yeah.

524
00:17:30,650 --> 00:17:33,090
Well, and how did you get to that

525
00:17:33,090 --> 00:17:35,830
stage?
Like, obviously I'm sure there was

526
00:17:35,830 --> 00:17:40,790
a very dark time, whether it was
weeks or months or, but like, you

527
00:17:40,790 --> 00:17:21,109
know, that would be a pretty tough
reality to come out of the.

528
00:17:21,109 --> 00:17:24,510
Well, not to come out of the
hospital, but to come out of

529
00:17:24,510 --> 00:17:27,770
surgery and be like, shit, what's
next?

530
00:17:27,770 --> 00:17:32,410
How long did it take and how did
you figure that out?

531
00:17:32,410 --> 00:17:35,730
Did you have books or somebody
coach you?

532
00:17:35,730 --> 00:17:40,470
Like, hey man, this is where we're
at and this is where the mindset

533
00:17:40,470 --> 00:17:42,870
we need to get to.

534
00:17:42,870 --> 00:17:45,530
I legitimately stumbled across the

535
00:17:45,530 --> 00:17:47,230
power of gratitude.

536
00:17:47,230 --> 00:17:48,750
Like it wasn't an intentional

537
00:17:49,250 --> 00:17:52,770
practice, but given the uniqueness
of my situation, like I'd had a

538
00:17:52,770 --> 00:17:56,890
devastating spinal cord injury
where I was told by medical

539
00:17:56,890 --> 00:18:00,170
professionals, prepare yourself
because you're probably never

540
00:18:00,170 --> 00:18:00,990
going to walk again.

541
00:18:00,990 --> 00:18:04,090
In fact, you will be lucky if you

542
00:18:04,090 --> 00:18:07,050
get back the use of your arms.

543
00:18:07,050 --> 00:18:08,250
And that did not include my hands

544
00:18:08,250 --> 00:18:09,890
at the time, which also weren't
working.

545
00:18:09,890 --> 00:18:11,090
So it's like, whoa.

546
00:18:11,500 --> 00:18:13,180
After surgery, my arms did start

547
00:18:13,180 --> 00:18:13,320
working.

548
00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:14,560
I could close my elbows.

549
00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:15,800
So I had bicep function.

550
00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,880
Yeah, when I woke up the next day,

551
00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,080
that had changed.

552
00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:20,980
And I couldn't open my elbows.

553
00:18:21,140 --> 00:18:23,840
So I had bicep function, which
closes it.

554
00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:25,480
Tricep opens the elbow.

555
00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,820
You probably haven't had to think

556
00:18:27,820 --> 00:18:29,460
about that for a while.

557
00:18:29,460 --> 00:18:29,780
Most people don't.

558
00:18:29,780 --> 00:18:31,140
But I had to start reprogramming
my body.

559
00:18:31,140 --> 00:18:33,320
So I was sending these messages
all the time.

560
00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:34,880
And my arms started to move.

561
00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:36,560
It took me almost two and a half

562
00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,770
weeks before I could lift my hand
to actually touch my face.

563
00:18:40,770 --> 00:18:42,790
So like when I say they could
move, they weren't moving a lot.

564
00:18:42,790 --> 00:18:44,890
It was still very difficult.

565
00:18:45,210 --> 00:18:46,690
And my legs came back a little bit

566
00:18:46,690 --> 00:18:46,810
slower.

567
00:18:46,810 --> 00:18:48,610
When I did start to change and my

568
00:18:48,610 --> 00:18:51,710
physical body started to recover,
it was like wave after wave of

569
00:18:51,710 --> 00:18:53,310
thank goodness, you know, like,
oh, what a really like something

570
00:18:53,310 --> 00:18:58,820
is in every little bit of physical
recovery was an opportunity for me

571
00:18:58,820 --> 00:19:02,360
to feel this overwhelming
gratitude to a point where the

572
00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:05,900
first time I brushed my teeth,
which was at 21 days where I could

573
00:19:05,900 --> 00:19:09,480
reach my hand up high enough now
to touch my face.

574
00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,580
They put this big rubber stopper
on my toothbrush and I. I was able

575
00:19:12,580 --> 00:19:14,740
to brush my teeth for the first
time.

576
00:19:14,740 --> 00:19:16,640
Kind of had like lobster claw
grip, no individual finger

577
00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:16,820
dexterity.

578
00:19:16,820 --> 00:19:18,080
I couldn't use my wrists.

579
00:19:18,420 --> 00:19:22,060
So I had to get the toothbrush
around to every tooth.

580
00:19:22,060 --> 00:19:25,800
I had to use my tongue actually to
get it just to be at the right

581
00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:26,540
angle and everything.

582
00:19:26,540 --> 00:19:30,720
But with a nurse there, I was in a

583
00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:31,320
neck collar.

584
00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,580
I couldn't get my wheelchair close

585
00:19:33,580 --> 00:19:34,820
enough to the sink.

586
00:19:34,820 --> 00:19:36,020
They had a bucket for me and they

587
00:19:36,020 --> 00:19:38,320
had to do the taps and everything
like that.

588
00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,420
So it wasn't exactly like I was
brushing my own teeth.

589
00:19:40,420 --> 00:19:42,740
But I was brushing my own teeth,
doing something.

590
00:19:42,740 --> 00:19:46,460
The first thing I'd been able to
do for myself and my self -care in

591
00:19:46,460 --> 00:19:47,700
three weeks.

592
00:19:47,700 --> 00:19:49,060
And I was in tears.

593
00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:50,200
I was so thankful.

594
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,560
I had so much joy in that moment.

595
00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,900
And brushing your teeth for most
people doesn't show up as

596
00:19:53,900 --> 00:19:57,500
something on the radar of things
you think you take for granted.

597
00:19:57,500 --> 00:19:57,760
Yeah.

598
00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:58,820
I started to notice.

599
00:19:58,820 --> 00:20:00,100
All of those wins.

600
00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:03,340
And when I did, because I couldn't

601
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,920
feel much in my body, one of the
first things I started to feel was

602
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,780
emotion in my body.

603
00:20:08,780 --> 00:20:10,660
When I felt emotion, depression or

604
00:20:10,660 --> 00:20:13,560
grief or sorrow, like any of the
negative longing for wanting my

605
00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,580
body back, that was all dark and
cold.

606
00:20:15,580 --> 00:20:19,060
But whenever I felt joy or bliss,
happiness, like even something as

607
00:20:19,060 --> 00:20:22,420
simple as like eating a grape and
being like, thank goodness I have.

608
00:20:22,420 --> 00:20:22,920
Grapes.

609
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,000
By the time I made it back to

610
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,900
Canada and I was like supported by
friends and family members, like

611
00:20:27,900 --> 00:20:31,920
in a first world country with a
medical system that's not perfect,

612
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,400
but it's free and we have it.

613
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:34,660
I was just like, I'm so lucky.

614
00:20:34,660 --> 00:20:37,460
So every time I felt gratitude and
especially in poignant moments

615
00:20:37,460 --> 00:20:40,080
like that example of brushing my
teeth, I would feel these like

616
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:40,960
warm waves rushing over me.

617
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:42,440
That was some pretty cool

618
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:43,680
neurochemistry, oxytocin,
serotonin, endorphins, a little

619
00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,200
bit of dopamine, but all this
great neurochemistry, which was

620
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,080
putting me in a state of
homeostasis.

621
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,800
And gratitude actually increases
your immunoglobulin A molecule,

622
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:49,740
which is like the body's
antiseptic.

623
00:20:49,740 --> 00:20:50,860
It fights.

624
00:20:50,860 --> 00:20:51,800
infection and supports your immune

625
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,140
system functioning and when you're
in that state of homeostasis your

626
00:20:55,140 --> 00:20:57,780
body can actually divert resources
to the proper places for healing

627
00:20:57,780 --> 00:21:01,620
like your autonomic functions or
your immune system and so by

628
00:21:01,620 --> 00:21:03,680
having this disposition of
gratitude it was And evidently

629
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,740
helping me heal and the chemistry
behind it and everything is stuff

630
00:21:06,740 --> 00:21:08,140
I've learned since.

631
00:21:08,140 --> 00:21:10,740
So at the time I just kind of was

632
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,750
there by accident, but my recovery
has been wild.

633
00:21:14,010 --> 00:21:14,390
Yeah.

634
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:15,990
Good for you, man.

635
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:19,110
I feel like a lot of people in
that position would like focus

636
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:21,550
more on the negative, right?
Like be angry.

637
00:21:21,550 --> 00:21:25,410
Why, why me kind of thing, but you
turned it.

638
00:21:25,410 --> 00:21:29,470
I had those thoughts too, right?
Like survivor's guilt and like,

639
00:21:29,470 --> 00:21:31,830
why'd this happen to me in the
first place?

640
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:32,970
That's not fair.

641
00:21:32,970 --> 00:21:36,210
So many of my friends and fellow

642
00:21:36,210 --> 00:21:38,490
professional skiers that I grew up
skiing with didn't have this

643
00:21:38,490 --> 00:21:38,650
happen.

644
00:21:38,650 --> 00:21:41,980
And then on the flip side of that

645
00:21:41,980 --> 00:21:43,440
coin, it was like, why am I
getting better?

646
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,900
And all these other people around
me with spinal cord injuries

647
00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:46,080
aren't.

648
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,080
I mean, I went through a lot of

649
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:48,380
dark times.

650
00:21:48,380 --> 00:21:49,340
It was devastating.

651
00:21:49,340 --> 00:21:50,860
I wouldn't wish a spinal cord
injury on my worst enemy.

652
00:21:50,860 --> 00:21:53,660
There are gifts that can come from
it.

653
00:21:53,660 --> 00:21:56,880
It just depends on how you look at
it.

654
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:57,440
Yeah.

655
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:58,980
So have you kind of translated

656
00:21:58,980 --> 00:22:04,800
that knowledge, I guess, now to
other aspects in life that

657
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:11,880
gratitude can kind of resolve a
lot of these issues?

658
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,100
Yeah, my go -to is gratitude as a
foundation for resilience, which

659
00:22:15,100 --> 00:22:16,760
is a bit counterintuitive.

660
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,960
And it doesn't matter if you're in

661
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:25,500
the real estate space or another
profession, or if you're just

662
00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:28,990
wanting to get more out of life.

663
00:22:28,990 --> 00:22:30,230
Like gratitude helps us frame

664
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:34,670
setbacks in the grand scheme of
things and realize that things

665
00:22:34,670 --> 00:22:38,930
just aren't as bad as we often
think they are.

666
00:22:38,930 --> 00:22:43,710
And we all have a negativity bias
within us that when we do

667
00:22:43,710 --> 00:22:48,680
encounter adversity or setbacks,
it consumes a lot of our

668
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:49,100
attention.

669
00:22:49,100 --> 00:22:51,220
And you think about it in life and

670
00:22:51,220 --> 00:22:52,880
business, though, but it feels
worse proportionately to lose

671
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:53,100
$100.

672
00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:54,940
then it does proportionally feel

673
00:22:54,940 --> 00:22:56,340
good to make $100.

674
00:22:56,340 --> 00:22:56,500
Yeah.

675
00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:59,440
You know, once you've got it, like
once I was on an Air Canada flight

676
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,940
flying through from a speaking
gig, it was one of the first

677
00:23:01,940 --> 00:23:05,360
flights where Air Canada had
released in -flight Wi -Fi.

678
00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:05,580
Yeah.

679
00:23:05,580 --> 00:23:07,660
And I was sitting near the front

680
00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:11,700
of the plane, surrounded by other
people that are business people in

681
00:23:11,700 --> 00:23:12,160
their own right.

682
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,010
And everybody's like... thrilled

683
00:23:14,270 --> 00:23:17,270
when the head flight attendant
came out and said we're so excited

684
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:20,870
to announce that we have our in
-air wi -fi on this flight today

685
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:23,710
and as the first group you're
going to get to use it for free

686
00:23:23,710 --> 00:23:25,730
people were like standing up in
their chairs like clapping

687
00:23:25,730 --> 00:23:30,330
cheering and i was like cool this
is nice and then um it was like 10

688
00:23:30,590 --> 00:23:32,970
or 15 minutes later people trying
to get online where the flight

689
00:23:33,410 --> 00:23:35,870
attendant comes back out and she's
like I'm sorry to let you know,

690
00:23:35,870 --> 00:23:37,780
but the in -flight Wi -Fi isn't
working.

691
00:23:37,780 --> 00:23:41,340
And man, the look on everybody's
face is like they had just been

692
00:23:41,340 --> 00:23:41,780
wrong.

693
00:23:41,780 --> 00:23:44,460
There was all this, oh, Air

694
00:23:44,460 --> 00:23:49,080
Canada, this, you know, like it
was like a few moments ago, you

695
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,180
were just happy.

696
00:23:50,180 --> 00:23:54,260
Normal people, all of a sudden you

697
00:23:54,260 --> 00:23:58,000
were elevated and then you crashed
to rock bottom.

698
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,760
We weight positive and negative
events differently.

699
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,280
We all have a negativity bias
within us and we... can beat it.

700
00:24:05,010 --> 00:24:07,110
It's within all of us.

701
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:08,550
It's a bias.

702
00:24:08,550 --> 00:24:09,570
I think it's evolutionary.

703
00:24:09,570 --> 00:24:11,890
A really authentic way to beat it

704
00:24:11,890 --> 00:24:13,410
is with gratitude and fortify your
mindset.

705
00:24:13,410 --> 00:24:17,170
Because if you look for the gifts,
not the gaps in any situation,

706
00:24:17,170 --> 00:24:21,730
you're going to attract more of
that positivity for when you'll be

707
00:24:21,730 --> 00:24:23,130
more open to it.

708
00:24:23,130 --> 00:24:23,910
Your chemistry changes, like

709
00:24:23,910 --> 00:24:25,430
literally your physiology changes.

710
00:24:25,550 --> 00:24:28,750
You'll be a warmer person, more

711
00:24:28,750 --> 00:24:31,060
coachable, more approachable.

712
00:24:31,060 --> 00:24:32,840
So many benefits like that, but

713
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,260
it's a huge reframe on the exact
same situation that is causing you

714
00:24:36,260 --> 00:24:36,380
grief.

715
00:24:36,380 --> 00:24:38,400
You can look at it and be like,

716
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,520
what in this situation do I have
to feel thankful for?

717
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,760
It's like the glass is half full
metaphor, but you're looking at

718
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,580
similar set of circumstances just
through a different lens, which is

719
00:24:46,580 --> 00:24:46,960
authentically positive.

720
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,680
And can actually change your

721
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:48,880
chemistry.

722
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,940
And if you can change your

723
00:24:52,030 --> 00:24:55,150
physiology, you change your state,
you can change the story you tell

724
00:24:55,150 --> 00:24:56,170
yourself about that situation.

725
00:24:56,170 --> 00:24:57,510
So you can change the strategy

726
00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:58,890
with which you approach the
solution.

727
00:24:58,890 --> 00:25:00,630
It's incredibly powerful and it's
overlooked or maybe not even

728
00:25:00,630 --> 00:25:03,870
looked at at all as a resilience
tool because it's counterintuitive

729
00:25:03,870 --> 00:25:07,290
when you're feeling low to think
about all that you have to feel

730
00:25:07,290 --> 00:25:07,770
thankful for.

731
00:25:07,770 --> 00:25:08,210
Yeah.

732
00:25:08,210 --> 00:25:10,230
Because of that negativity bias,
we get sucked in.

733
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:11,190
Woe is me.

734
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:11,870
Why me?

735
00:25:11,870 --> 00:25:12,830
Those types of things.

736
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:14,310
So, well, and especially I find

737
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:18,000
right now, like in the past four
or five years, at least business

738
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,620
related or life related, like it's
a pretty.

739
00:25:22,180 --> 00:25:24,760
volatile time in life, you know,
things are busy.

740
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:25,440
People's businesses are
struggling.

741
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,940
The economy is like, you can just
kind of go down that rabbit hole.

742
00:25:28,940 --> 00:25:32,260
But I guess the question is like,
how do you practice gratitude?

743
00:25:32,260 --> 00:25:35,480
Like you said, you get up early
and do some reflecting and like,

744
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:40,480
is there something that you stick
to or a piece of advice you can

745
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,230
say, Hey, this is like a good
starting point.

746
00:25:43,230 --> 00:25:44,810
This is what people should do.

747
00:25:44,810 --> 00:25:46,830
Or is it just like all day, every

748
00:25:47,330 --> 00:25:50,630
day, like make sure you recenter
yourself on gratitude.

749
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:53,110
It's a very good question.

750
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:55,010
I'm so glad you brought it up

751
00:25:55,010 --> 00:25:57,770
because how do you practice
gratitude?

752
00:25:57,770 --> 00:25:59,890
How do most people practice
gratitude?

753
00:25:59,890 --> 00:26:02,970
We might have, you know, a round
discussion at the table at dinner

754
00:26:02,970 --> 00:26:07,170
one night where you say, OK, kids,
what are you thankful for?

755
00:26:07,170 --> 00:26:08,370
Some people keep gratitude
journals.

756
00:26:08,370 --> 00:26:10,640
That's a common one.

757
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:11,820
Gratitude triggers are things that

758
00:26:11,820 --> 00:26:14,060
remind you in your day.

759
00:26:14,060 --> 00:26:16,240
That's one I actually like,

760
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,340
because if there's something in
your day that can trigger you to

761
00:26:18,340 --> 00:26:19,840
feel thankful, then I think that's
valuable.

762
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,460
Because if you ask most people
that try journaling, it doesn't

763
00:26:23,460 --> 00:26:23,800
really work.

764
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,360
for gratitude journals like a lot

765
00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:33,540
of people say well yeah i kind of
get some benefit out of it because

766
00:26:33,540 --> 00:26:37,340
the thing that's missing is
feeling grateful if you just think

767
00:26:37,340 --> 00:26:41,300
about the things that you have to
feel thankful for and you kind of

768
00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:44,920
categorize or collect this list
you might get a little bit of

769
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,540
benefit out of it but if you want
your chemistry to change like if

770
00:26:49,540 --> 00:26:51,940
you want the benefits of oxytocin
serotonin endorphins like said bit

771
00:26:51,940 --> 00:26:54,460
of dopamine those are
neurotransmitters that connect

772
00:26:54,460 --> 00:26:57,140
different synapses in your brain
You are literally changing the way

773
00:26:57,140 --> 00:27:00,380
that your mind thinks to look for
silver linings or opportunities.

774
00:27:00,380 --> 00:27:03,890
Likewise, if you produce that
chemistry in your body and

775
00:27:03,890 --> 00:27:05,830
endorphins, it actually
counteracts a stress response.

776
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:09,030
You can't feel stressed and
thankful at the same time.

777
00:27:09,030 --> 00:27:11,330
So oxytocin is like the love drug,
right?

778
00:27:11,330 --> 00:27:15,060
You seek out connection and people
like that you wouldn't necessarily

779
00:27:15,060 --> 00:27:16,460
if you didn't have that chemistry.

780
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,300
Serotonin is the happiness.

781
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:19,620
drug or happiness hormone.

782
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:20,480
And that's an incredibly powerful

783
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,600
neurotransmitter, especially for
combating depression.

784
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,120
You can actually feel thankful,
create that chemistry and change

785
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:26,500
the way that you look at your
situation based on how you're

786
00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:26,720
feeling.

787
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,140
And so for me, when I say to

788
00:27:29,140 --> 00:27:29,980
practice gratitude, it's a
feeling.

789
00:27:29,980 --> 00:27:31,900
And you can feel it in the morning
during reflection if that's like

790
00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:34,820
just a momentary mindful break
that you take or even at night,

791
00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:36,940
especially if you've had a
stressful day.

792
00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:40,870
You can actually turn every day in
your bad days into good days if

793
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:42,550
you end it with a gratitude audit.

794
00:27:42,550 --> 00:27:44,090
Whereas most people have a bad day

795
00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:46,090
for like one or two negative
interactions.

796
00:27:46,090 --> 00:27:46,530
Yeah.

797
00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:47,760
Conversations, tough negotiation

798
00:27:47,820 --> 00:27:50,560
that you didn't feel like you
performed as well as you would

799
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:51,160
have liked to in.

800
00:27:51,260 --> 00:27:52,240
Or maybe there's a challenge with

801
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,980
your spouse or.

802
00:27:53,980 --> 00:27:56,700
kids or you know someone else

803
00:27:56,700 --> 00:28:00,240
that's outside your professional
life and we hold on to that stuff

804
00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:03,640
you need to release it and then
you can shift to gratitude one

805
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,320
more point i should make that's
really important on this and it'll

806
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,340
probably be the next place we take
the conversation to is how you

807
00:28:11,340 --> 00:28:14,110
handle negativity because if you
don't actually deal with some of

808
00:28:14,110 --> 00:28:16,610
the negative thinking that you
have going on or if there is a

809
00:28:16,610 --> 00:28:20,850
situation in your life that is
truly bad or a bad day.

810
00:28:20,850 --> 00:28:23,530
If you just try to suppress it
with gratitude, that also isn't a

811
00:28:23,530 --> 00:28:24,630
strategy I would suggest.

812
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:26,910
You need to release the negative

813
00:28:26,910 --> 00:28:29,630
or process it because I'll ask you
guys this, what would you have

814
00:28:29,630 --> 00:28:31,870
more benefit from?
Having more positive thoughts or

815
00:28:31,870 --> 00:28:34,530
fewer negative ones?
What would you tell me?

816
00:28:34,530 --> 00:28:36,510
I don't know.

817
00:28:36,510 --> 00:28:38,070
Maybe negativity bias, we weight

818
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:39,610
the negative ones more.

819
00:28:39,610 --> 00:28:41,200
So probably less negative ones.

820
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:41,780
You're right.

821
00:28:41,780 --> 00:28:43,540
Maybe that's why I set up that

822
00:28:43,540 --> 00:28:44,620
question pretty well.

823
00:28:44,620 --> 00:28:47,700
Most people want to be optimistic

824
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:48,920
and they're like, oh, more
positive.

825
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:49,020
Right.

826
00:28:49,020 --> 00:28:51,680
But the answer truly is like fewer

827
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,700
negative because your negative
thoughts and beliefs are the only

828
00:28:55,700 --> 00:29:00,500
ones that can hold you back, limit
you or keep you stuck.

829
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,560
If you don't deal with the
negativity or let emotional

830
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:03,860
content.

831
00:29:03,860 --> 00:29:04,800
process, then shifting to

832
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:05,800
gratitude right away.

833
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,920
It's like the second step in that

834
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:10,400
process.

835
00:29:10,580 --> 00:29:14,260
And so you asked me, how do you

836
00:29:14,260 --> 00:29:17,880
practice gratitude?
There are a number of different

837
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,840
ways to practice it and close that
loop out by feeling it.

838
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,380
But if you don't deal with the
underlying negative beliefs,

839
00:29:24,380 --> 00:29:28,740
whether it's about scarcity or
uncertainty or self doubt, am I

840
00:29:28,740 --> 00:29:31,240
capable of doing this?
You know, I'm not great at sales.

841
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,020
I don't know if I have what it
takes to achieve my goals.

842
00:29:35,020 --> 00:29:38,940
Like all of that negative thinking
needs to be dealt with before you

843
00:29:38,940 --> 00:29:40,680
can move to something positive
that supports your growth.

844
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:40,960
Yeah.

845
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,840
Here's a very relative question, I

846
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,600
guess, for all of us.

847
00:29:45,220 --> 00:29:46,680
But yeah, so congratulations.

848
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,080
You're going to be a new father
soon.

849
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:48,960
Matt, congratulations.

850
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,840
Second new father soon.

851
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,780
You know, Emily and I, my wife, we
were talking about this quite a

852
00:29:55,780 --> 00:29:56,520
bit, actually, because like.

853
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,200
I've got two kids, happy, healthy,

854
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,170
doing a lot of fun stuff.

855
00:30:00,170 --> 00:30:01,310
But sometimes you're like, why are

856
00:30:01,310 --> 00:30:04,550
you not more grateful?
Like, man, like I had a good

857
00:30:04,550 --> 00:30:07,390
upbringing, but like not all the
things that we're providing for

858
00:30:07,390 --> 00:30:08,490
our kids.

859
00:30:08,490 --> 00:30:08,670
Yeah.

860
00:30:08,670 --> 00:30:11,470
I'm like, you know, so like just
we were up at Big White all

861
00:30:11,470 --> 00:30:15,090
weekend this weekend with our son
and daughter and friends and, you

862
00:30:15,090 --> 00:30:19,890
know, take our son to ski school
and stuff.

863
00:30:19,890 --> 00:30:21,550
Hey, man.

864
00:30:21,550 --> 00:30:21,670
Yeah.

865
00:30:21,670 --> 00:30:22,530
You like skiing.

866
00:30:22,530 --> 00:30:22,770
Yeah.

867
00:30:22,770 --> 00:30:22,870
Cool.

868
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:24,230
We're going to go tomorrow.

869
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:27,890
No. And then like, he'll just
throw a tantrum over whatever.

870
00:30:27,890 --> 00:30:30,290
How do you teach gratitude at a
young age?

871
00:30:30,290 --> 00:30:31,290
You know, cause they're so
volatile.

872
00:30:31,290 --> 00:30:34,910
Like there'll be like emotions are
on their sleeve, right?

873
00:30:35,470 --> 00:30:39,110
Best day ever, worst day ever over
like the smallest things.

874
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:42,550
But, and maybe this is a question
you'll approach in like a year

875
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:47,900
from now, but have you ever
thought of like, how do you

876
00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:49,220
install gratitude at a younger
age?

877
00:30:49,740 --> 00:30:53,220
How do you provide like the
platform for them to deal with

878
00:30:53,220 --> 00:30:55,980
like the negative and the positive
to close that loop?

879
00:30:55,980 --> 00:30:57,420
I think in general, we need
contrast.

880
00:30:57,660 --> 00:30:59,020
general, we need contrast.

881
00:30:59,020 --> 00:31:00,560
of perspective so if it's all good

882
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:06,640
all the time it's still a flat
line it's like you know you need a

883
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,920
little bit of ups and downs peaks
and valleys and so the fact that

884
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,120
there are times where it's
euphoric and incredible bliss and

885
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:19,720
happiness and then times where
it's not that and it could be

886
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,460
quite the opposite like a full day
of tantrums or You know, that

887
00:31:23,460 --> 00:31:27,020
contrast is valuable for anybody
to learn to appreciate the good

888
00:31:27,020 --> 00:31:28,040
times and appreciate things that
are wonderful.

889
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,120
Now, I think in terms of
fundamentals, you can teach.

890
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:30,880
say, please.

891
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,120
And thank you all the time.

892
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,880
And I would imagine even with
young people, I haven't tried

893
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:37,200
this.

894
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,360
I've done it with some elementary

895
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,380
school groups.

896
00:31:40,380 --> 00:31:43,000
When I've spoken to them, I do a

897
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:43,880
mindfulness exercise and sometimes
it works.

898
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,140
Sometimes it doesn't, but trying
to get them to feel thankful for

899
00:31:47,140 --> 00:31:50,420
like their parents or things they
really love to do and just, you

900
00:31:50,420 --> 00:31:56,800
know, have them sit with that for
a minute and, and feel like it

901
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,780
would be a strategy to approach
that with.

902
00:31:58,780 --> 00:32:01,760
I think it's gotta be a bit of
trial and error.

903
00:32:01,980 --> 00:32:03,960
And then Leading by example.

904
00:32:04,180 --> 00:32:05,660
Most of what kids learn is like

905
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:06,560
what I call caught behavior.

906
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:07,820
And I was talking about this

907
00:32:08,220 --> 00:32:10,420
earlier today, what's taught
versus caught for raising children

908
00:32:10,420 --> 00:32:14,140
and how much do you actually teach
them versus how much are they

909
00:32:14,140 --> 00:32:16,280
absorbing by, you know, watching
you and so on.

910
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,720
Like it's setting an example and
truly feeling it that way.

911
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,840
And so for us, how do we feel
thankful when things are, you

912
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:23,200
know.

913
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,380
so good, but we're still caught up

914
00:32:24,380 --> 00:32:26,960
in, you know, wanting more or
feeling like we're not moving

915
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,980
forward enough, perhaps, or
generally feeling like a lack of

916
00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:32,120
lust for life, because maybe we
haven't had many of those ups and

917
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:32,540
downs lately.

918
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,530
And it has been a bit flatlined,

919
00:32:34,530 --> 00:32:37,730
even if it's flatlined, and you're
at like a, you know, four out of

920
00:32:37,890 --> 00:32:41,390
10, or an eight or a nine out of
10 for where you, you know, think

921
00:32:41,490 --> 00:32:41,850
happiness lives.

922
00:32:41,850 --> 00:32:43,090
If it's flat, it's flat.

923
00:32:43,090 --> 00:32:45,850
I think it's a societal issue,
though, with comparison and

924
00:32:45,850 --> 00:32:47,530
especially in hustle culture when
you're trying to build things,

925
00:32:47,530 --> 00:32:49,010
build your professional life, your
career, your net worth, your

926
00:32:49,330 --> 00:32:50,930
access to fulfilling activities.

927
00:32:50,930 --> 00:32:53,150
Like if you're in a place where

928
00:32:53,150 --> 00:32:55,430
you're fortunate to move towards
financial freedom or that's what

929
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:57,230
your goal is, you're still
comparing ahead or up.

930
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:59,930
So you're comparing from where you
are in this moment now to where

931
00:32:59,930 --> 00:33:03,490
you want to be in the future
yourself.

932
00:33:03,490 --> 00:33:07,310
Or up ahead to where someone else
is who's at like chapter 100 in

933
00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:10,110
their story and you're at like
chapter 30 of yours.

934
00:33:10,110 --> 00:33:13,150
You know what I mean?
We rarely utilize comparison in a

935
00:33:13,150 --> 00:33:18,650
healthy way where if we compare
back to where we came from and for

936
00:33:18,650 --> 00:33:21,130
most people, and I know this isn't
an original idea or anything like

937
00:33:21,130 --> 00:33:24,340
that, but if you were to look back
five years.

938
00:33:24,340 --> 00:33:29,860
And to realize where you are now,
you've probably achieved most of

939
00:33:29,860 --> 00:33:35,000
the goals that you have set out
for yourself five years ago.

940
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:40,500
So five years ago, you would be
like, rock on, man, giving you a

941
00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:42,920
pat on the back and being like,
you're nailing it.

942
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,040
And yet us, we're like, oh,
looking to five years ahead.

943
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,060
Me still like we're conditioned.

944
00:33:47,060 --> 00:33:47,860
to be in that state.

945
00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:52,060
But if you compare back to where
you came from, and I don't

946
00:33:52,060 --> 00:33:56,040
recommend this, but I think it's
more of an awareness because I'm

947
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,340
like, don't compare down all the
time, but be aware of where you're

948
00:33:59,340 --> 00:33:59,520
at.

949
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,180
Because, and I think you alluded

950
00:34:01,180 --> 00:34:04,880
to it at the start, like I grew up
in such a, you know, a great

951
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:05,920
household or in the Okanagan.

952
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,300
Like for me, that's where I grew

953
00:34:09,620 --> 00:34:10,120
up.

954
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,179
I was like, this is, you know.

955
00:34:13,179 --> 00:34:16,540
An epicenter of awesomeness, like
so lucky to get to deliver.

956
00:34:16,540 --> 00:34:20,639
And so like understanding where
you're at, because in the

957
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,300
hospital, when I was getting
better from my spinal cord injury,

958
00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:24,860
I saw plenty of people that
weren't.

959
00:34:24,860 --> 00:34:28,219
And so I had that contrast in
perspective there where I was

960
00:34:28,219 --> 00:34:31,820
like, oh, goodness, like if I
don't give everything I've got to

961
00:34:31,820 --> 00:34:35,100
this recovery, like there are so
many people that would kill for

962
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:35,699
the opportunity to.

963
00:34:35,699 --> 00:34:38,500
I don't know if that answered your

964
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:38,880
question.

965
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,820
I kind of went on a bit of a

966
00:34:42,820 --> 00:34:43,340
tangent.

967
00:34:43,340 --> 00:34:45,080
Taylor's like a full dad now.

968
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,800
You're like one step away from
telling them that you had to walk

969
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,100
10 feet of snow uphill school both
ways.

970
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:49,199
Yeah.

971
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:51,600
Well, I mean, the caught and

972
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,460
taught thing is so powerful.

973
00:34:53,460 --> 00:34:55,320
Man, they are like sponges in

974
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:55,600
everything.

975
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:56,760
But I guess if you take that

976
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,120
mindset like throughout life with
friends and family and like, you

977
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,160
know, we're no different.

978
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,580
Yeah, we're aged, obviously.

979
00:35:03,580 --> 00:35:08,000
And we're a little bit probably,
you know, less malleable to that.

980
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:08,880
But like people still.

981
00:35:09,020 --> 00:35:10,520
feel your energy and then drive

982
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,040
what you're driving, right?
Yeah, it's applicable beyond

983
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,560
raising children, right?
Yeah, totally.

984
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,240
I just have that meme in my head
where it's like, it's a Sunday

985
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:23,260
morning, it smells like cinnamon
pancakes, my favorite cartoons are

986
00:35:23,260 --> 00:35:27,040
on, the snow has lately fallen,
and the three -year -old is blind

987
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,180
with rage.

988
00:35:28,180 --> 00:35:29,480
Yeah, but you're blind with rage

989
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,860
because you're a three -year -old.

990
00:35:32,860 --> 00:35:33,180
Yeah.

991
00:35:33,180 --> 00:35:34,880
I mean, you're probably right.

992
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,800
They don't have a lot to compare

993
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,100
it to, right?
It's like life's pretty cruisy for

994
00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:40,160
them.

995
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:40,560
Let it happen.

996
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:41,740
it happen.

997
00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:43,480
Let it process.

998
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,740
Because the moment you start
trying to suppress that or being

999
00:35:47,740 --> 00:35:51,080
like, oh, you can't feel angry or
you can't have this momentary

1000
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,400
tantrum, it's like they're
learning emotional regulation.

1001
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:52,520
Yeah.

1002
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:53,100
And it doesn't matter what the

1003
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:53,820
environment is like.

1004
00:35:53,820 --> 00:35:55,970
If your mindset is like.

1005
00:35:55,970 --> 00:35:59,130
It doesn't matter how much you
tell them in that moment to like

1006
00:35:59,130 --> 00:36:01,470
calm down because their experience
is their experience, that

1007
00:36:01,750 --> 00:36:05,050
emotional rage, even though if
it's like on all accounts, you're

1008
00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:06,290
looking at it like, why is this
happening?

1009
00:36:06,290 --> 00:36:07,170
This shouldn't be.

1010
00:36:07,170 --> 00:36:08,410
It's an awesome conversation right

1011
00:36:08,410 --> 00:36:10,970
now because like even in my head,
I'm thinking, okay, yeah, where's

1012
00:36:10,970 --> 00:36:13,970
the gratitude in that?
Like, well, grateful like my son's

1013
00:36:14,190 --> 00:36:16,470
able to throw a tantrum, you know,
and he's here.

1014
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:19,170
And like a lot of, like you said,
people can't have families.

1015
00:36:19,170 --> 00:36:19,310
Yeah.

1016
00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:20,570
Also grateful that you're setting

1017
00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:22,950
the baseline for his life pretty
high.

1018
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:23,270
Yeah.

1019
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:24,590
Also grateful that you're setting

1020
00:36:24,590 --> 00:36:26,890
the baseline for his life pretty
high.

1021
00:36:26,890 --> 00:36:27,190
Yeah.

1022
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:29,410
And easy for me to say at three o

1023
00:36:29,410 --> 00:36:34,030
'clock after a good day and had a
coffee and he's at daycare.

1024
00:36:34,330 --> 00:36:35,850
And then when it's bedtime
tonight, try and instill that.

1025
00:36:35,850 --> 00:36:36,770
Oh man, I'm stoked.

1026
00:36:36,990 --> 00:36:39,380
You want to read another book for

1027
00:36:39,380 --> 00:36:41,620
the fifth time and you're yelling
at me.

1028
00:36:41,620 --> 00:36:42,740
Yeah, it's good.

1029
00:36:42,740 --> 00:36:43,280
It's powerful stuff.

1030
00:36:43,380 --> 00:36:43,740
I love it.

1031
00:36:43,740 --> 00:36:45,080
It is called a practice though, a

1032
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,020
practice though, for a reason.

1033
00:36:46,020 --> 00:36:47,720
And I really do believe that like,

1034
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:48,740
you've got to feel it.

1035
00:36:48,740 --> 00:36:51,520
You got to close out that loop.

1036
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,660
You've got to cut out negativity
if that's what's holding you back.

1037
00:36:54,660 --> 00:36:57,200
And like, maybe tell yourself a
different story before you can

1038
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:57,800
actually start feeling.

1039
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,220
thankful for your present

1040
00:37:00,220 --> 00:37:01,980
situation or the one you're about
to have and open yourself up to

1041
00:37:01,980 --> 00:37:05,180
that reality with like authentic
gratitude but the opportunity to

1042
00:37:05,180 --> 00:37:07,020
like shift mentally in times where
it is really difficult it falls

1043
00:37:07,020 --> 00:37:09,840
back on a bit of practice like you
need some repetitions before it

1044
00:37:11,140 --> 00:37:14,460
comes the default mindset but when
it does it's pretty awesome i

1045
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,000
still have to work on it now
because the farther i get out from

1046
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,780
my accident the harder it gets
some days, you know?

1047
00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:23,640
I'm human as well with all this.

1048
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,000
So with your injury, your injury,

1049
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,260
is your injury always getting
better?

1050
00:37:27,260 --> 00:37:32,260
Like, is there a regression risk
or like, how does that look for

1051
00:37:32,260 --> 00:37:33,020
you?
It's interesting because my

1052
00:37:33,020 --> 00:37:36,820
neurological picture plateaued
what it felt like between like

1053
00:37:36,820 --> 00:37:39,000
year two and three in recovery.

1054
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:39,700
interesting because my

1055
00:37:39,700 --> 00:37:41,260
neurological picture plateaued
what it felt like between like

1056
00:37:41,260 --> 00:37:43,140
year two and three in recovery.

1057
00:37:43,140 --> 00:37:45,720
Like my sensation on my body

1058
00:37:45,780 --> 00:37:47,380
hasn't changed, but I have
continued pushing really hard,

1059
00:37:47,380 --> 00:37:47,600
setting big.

1060
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,040
physical objectives and goals to

1061
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,790
try to keep myself reaching the
next level of what I can handle

1062
00:37:52,970 --> 00:37:53,230
physically.

1063
00:37:53,230 --> 00:37:54,290
And my capacity has continued

1064
00:37:54,290 --> 00:37:55,990
getting better and better, like
with endurance training and skiing

1065
00:37:56,110 --> 00:37:57,090
and stuff like that.

1066
00:37:57,090 --> 00:37:58,910
I'm back in the mountains and

1067
00:37:58,330 --> 00:38:02,310
doing it in a way that if you
would ask me 11 years ago, if I

1068
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:04,690
thought it were possible, I
probably would have told you no.

1069
00:38:04,690 --> 00:38:09,370
So I've even beat some of the
expectations or achieved some of

1070
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:12,430
the things that I didn't even
think were possible.

1071
00:38:12,430 --> 00:38:13,770
So I'm pretty stoked.

1072
00:38:13,770 --> 00:38:15,690
But it's been a physical plateau,

1073
00:38:15,690 --> 00:38:18,210
like in neurological sense, but
not in terms of what I've been

1074
00:38:18,210 --> 00:38:19,630
able to accomplish.

1075
00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:21,610
I've set some pretty lofty goals.

1076
00:38:21,810 --> 00:38:22,290
So, yeah.

1077
00:38:22,290 --> 00:38:22,890
Good for you.

1078
00:38:22,890 --> 00:38:25,450
And I mean, so many other
challenges and achievements you

1079
00:38:25,450 --> 00:38:28,370
have to make now too, right?
Like, so where's business at now?

1080
00:38:28,370 --> 00:38:29,650
You're coaching, training other
people, business people, just

1081
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:30,890
mostly on mindset now.

1082
00:38:30,970 --> 00:38:32,210
Like, or are you helping on

1083
00:38:32,330 --> 00:38:35,370
recovery on injuries as well?
Like, who are you mostly speaking

1084
00:38:35,550 --> 00:38:37,250
to and working with?
In my speaking and like consulting

1085
00:38:37,250 --> 00:38:38,690
or coaching role, it's more like
organizations.

1086
00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:41,330
And I've worked with some
individuals one -on -one, but it's

1087
00:38:41,330 --> 00:38:40,410
primarily like sharing a message
of resilience and gratitude and

1088
00:38:40,410 --> 00:38:41,330
team building, shared vision,
leadership.

1089
00:38:41,330 --> 00:38:41,870
managing uncertainty,
organizational transformation.

1090
00:38:41,870 --> 00:38:44,240
I do all that from the stage
typically or like online.

1091
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:46,620
And so I've spoken in front of
like 40 ,000 people in audiences

1092
00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:48,200
over the last six or seven years.

1093
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,920
It's been a lot of fun traveling

1094
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,640
to do talks and conferences and
stuff like that.

1095
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,600
But as of recently, I've just
shifted gears more into the mental

1096
00:38:55,660 --> 00:38:55,980
health space.

1097
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,400
And I've started a new company

1098
00:38:57,460 --> 00:38:57,920
called Gratis Health.

1099
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:58,860
Gratis is G -R -A -T -U -S.

1100
00:38:58,860 --> 00:39:00,220
That's the Latin origin for
grateful.

1101
00:39:00,220 --> 00:39:01,940
My goal is to get into integrative
health and support people from

1102
00:39:01,940 --> 00:39:03,020
mind and body like psychosomatic
healing.

1103
00:39:03,020 --> 00:39:05,340
People that are either struggling
with a physical presentation that

1104
00:39:05,340 --> 00:39:07,460
their physical healing is
encumbered by their psychology

1105
00:39:07,460 --> 00:39:11,220
because they haven't got to that
place where their mind and body

1106
00:39:11,220 --> 00:39:12,760
place that's open to heal.

1107
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,640
So help them with mental blocks or

1108
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,620
if people's physical presentation
is directly.

1109
00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:20,840
linked to their psychology because
of something like trauma that

1110
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:25,700
they're holding in the body or
emotional suppression, chronic

1111
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:28,280
pain and stuff like that.

1112
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:29,240
Even as much as like functional

1113
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:30,860
neurological disorder, I've helped
cure non -epileptic seizures.

1114
00:39:30,860 --> 00:39:34,740
So I've had a client that went
from having like three to four non

1115
00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:36,480
-epileptic seizures a week related
to trauma down to about one close

1116
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:37,880
call a month.

1117
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:38,860
where they can start to recognize

1118
00:39:38,860 --> 00:39:42,200
a seizure coming on and then with
psychology take themselves back

1119
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,300
from the edge and prevent it from
even happening.

1120
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:47,920
So I'm really excited with Gratis
Health is going to bring about in

1121
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:48,980
terms of blending mind and body
healing.

1122
00:39:48,980 --> 00:39:49,220
Awesome.

1123
00:39:49,220 --> 00:39:50,780
Good for you.

1124
00:39:50,780 --> 00:39:55,000
Before we jump into our wrap -up
questions here, tell us about the

1125
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:48,980
Kelowna Marathon.

1126
00:39:48,980 --> 00:39:49,460
Oh, man.

1127
00:39:49,460 --> 00:39:53,200
Okay, this year I ran the Kelowna
Marathon.

1128
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,240
I didn't know how hard it was
going to be.

1129
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:57,560
It's like marathons are...

1130
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,760
It's such a huge physical

1131
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:05,920
challenge to overcome for anybody,
but let alone somebody who had a

1132
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:06,760
spinal cord injury.

1133
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,480
And I've done a fair bit of

1134
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,480
running over the years, but
nothing to that extent.

1135
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:17,740
And I would like to share with
people that you're capable of more

1136
00:40:17,740 --> 00:40:21,440
than you think you are, or you can
do more than you think you can do.

1137
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,840
You may have heard that, but I
subscribe to the idea that you can

1138
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,440
do as much as you think you can
do.

1139
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,370
So your mindset and all this is so
important.

1140
00:40:29,370 --> 00:40:31,810
And for me, setting a goal like
doing a marathon was preposterous

1141
00:40:31,810 --> 00:40:32,130
initially.

1142
00:40:32,130 --> 00:40:34,450
And even once I got into the

1143
00:40:34,450 --> 00:40:39,590
training, I was like, man, why did
I even start doing this?

1144
00:40:39,590 --> 00:40:40,370
It's way too hard.

1145
00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:42,110
But the goal is set and I ended up

1146
00:40:42,110 --> 00:40:43,030
completing the race.

1147
00:40:43,130 --> 00:40:45,080
And then it is true that if you

1148
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,740
choose to change your mind about a
certain situation and believe that

1149
00:40:48,860 --> 00:40:53,180
you've got it within yourself to
push through or that if it's not

1150
00:40:53,860 --> 00:40:56,440
working out right now, it'll
always work out.

1151
00:40:56,660 --> 00:40:59,340
Because things always work out
that feeling of I'm just not

1152
00:40:59,340 --> 00:40:59,800
finished yet.

1153
00:40:59,980 --> 00:41:01,260
I just need to keep going.

1154
00:41:01,260 --> 00:41:05,700
If you truly believe that you've
got it within yourself to achieve

1155
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:10,350
your goals or succeed on the
backside of adversity, that to me

1156
00:41:10,350 --> 00:41:12,250
was like the epitome of that.

1157
00:41:12,250 --> 00:41:14,410
And if everybody out there is

1158
00:41:14,410 --> 00:41:23,490
listening to it could take that
away, I'd say this would be a big

1159
00:41:23,490 --> 00:41:24,690
success for me in this whole
conversation.

1160
00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:29,250
It's like you've got it within
yourself, like trust that you're

1161
00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:32,390
capable of as much as you think
you are.

1162
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:33,430
So aim high.

1163
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:35,050
Man, you're going to run out of

1164
00:41:35,050 --> 00:41:36,050
big stuff to do.

1165
00:41:36,050 --> 00:41:37,890
Like you're just ticking off

1166
00:41:37,890 --> 00:41:38,110
everything.

1167
00:41:38,110 --> 00:41:39,450
Hey, that's impressive.

1168
00:41:39,450 --> 00:41:39,930
Yeah.

1169
00:41:39,930 --> 00:41:42,410
I think being a family man is the

1170
00:41:42,410 --> 00:41:43,430
next big thing.

1171
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:45,310
know next big thing.

1172
00:41:45,310 --> 00:41:48,250
That is a trade for a marathon
with a young child.

1173
00:41:48,250 --> 00:41:51,110
a trade for a marathon with a
young child.

1174
00:41:51,110 --> 00:41:51,370
Yeah.

1175
00:41:51,370 --> 00:41:51,710
Yeah.

1176
00:41:52,050 --> 00:41:53,050
That's the next.

1177
00:41:53,050 --> 00:41:54,610
It's going to be wild.

1178
00:41:54,610 --> 00:41:54,910
Yeah.

1179
00:41:54,910 --> 00:41:56,290
trade All right.

1180
00:41:56,290 --> 00:42:00,230
Well, yeah, we'll dive into our
wrap up stuff here.

1181
00:42:00,230 --> 00:42:05,610
If you could buy a property in the
Okanagan in the next 12 months,

1182
00:42:05,610 --> 00:42:09,010
what would it be?
My desire would be to have.

1183
00:42:09,010 --> 00:42:10,690
be to have.

1184
00:42:10,690 --> 00:42:12,690
Land, privacy, and a view.

1185
00:42:12,690 --> 00:42:16,130
So potentially in Lake Country up
on the hill overlooking Okanagan

1186
00:42:16,130 --> 00:42:19,280
or even Kelowna Mission would be
phenomenal.

1187
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,360
I love Kelowna.

1188
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,740
I'm from the North Okanagan, but

1189
00:42:22,740 --> 00:42:25,760
I've definitely started to feel
more like Kelowna is home these

1190
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:25,900
days.

1191
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:27,540
But I would look for something

1192
00:42:27,540 --> 00:42:30,600
where I have a little bit of
privacy.

1193
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,900
A view of the water and the
mountains around here is part of

1194
00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:36,960
why we live here.

1195
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:37,340
Yeah.

1196
00:42:37,340 --> 00:42:41,480
And that would be my go -to for
sure.

1197
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:41,940
Nice.

1198
00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:45,940
If you could give your 20 -year

1199
00:42:46,250 --> 00:42:48,230
-old self any advice, what would
it be?

1200
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:53,770
I would tell my 20 -year -old self
to not be so hard on yourself.

1201
00:42:53,770 --> 00:42:57,910
would tell my 20 -year -old self
to not be so hard on yourself.

1202
00:42:57,910 --> 00:43:01,910
I was in a sport and a career that
it was like very much about

1203
00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:03,110
performance and hitting metrics.

1204
00:43:03,110 --> 00:43:04,070
And in fact, this is very

1205
00:43:04,070 --> 00:43:07,830
vulnerable and for me to even
share, but I gave up on my

1206
00:43:07,830 --> 00:43:08,770
competitive dreams too soon.

1207
00:43:08,770 --> 00:43:10,570
And I wish I could have gone back

1208
00:43:10,570 --> 00:43:15,340
and said, stay persistent, stay in
it and believe in yourself because

1209
00:43:15,340 --> 00:43:19,020
you're capable of as much as you
think you are.

1210
00:43:19,020 --> 00:43:21,140
And your thoughts are directly
related to those self -beliefs.

1211
00:43:21,140 --> 00:43:23,180
So believe that you have it within
yourself to achieve the things

1212
00:43:23,180 --> 00:43:25,360
that you want to achieve.

1213
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:26,040
That's great.

1214
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:26,180
Yeah.

1215
00:43:26,180 --> 00:43:28,920
I feel like a lot of people have

1216
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,180
probably call it a little bit too
early.

1217
00:43:30,180 --> 00:43:31,340
You know, what's the worst that
can happen?

1218
00:43:31,340 --> 00:43:35,540
You're going to have a bit more
fun in life and, you know, do

1219
00:43:35,540 --> 00:43:36,060
something you love.

1220
00:43:36,060 --> 00:43:36,180
Yeah.

1221
00:43:36,180 --> 00:43:37,100
Good for you.

1222
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:37,240
Yeah.

1223
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:40,580
It's like so much growth lies on
the backside of that uncertainty

1224
00:43:40,580 --> 00:43:41,460
and risk.

1225
00:43:42,140 --> 00:43:42,320
Yeah.

1226
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,360
Like that's where the magic is.

1227
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:44,700
Yeah.

1228
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:47,860
What's your favorite charity or
how do you get back?

1229
00:43:47,860 --> 00:43:49,400
your favorite charity or how do
you get back?

1230
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,420
My favorite charity, that one's
easy, is the Wings for Life

1231
00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:51,720
Foundation.

1232
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,160
And my big give back every year is

1233
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,940
organizing a world run event.

1234
00:43:55,940 --> 00:43:58,640
I'm doing one here in Kelowna this

1235
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,000
year on May 4th.

1236
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,860
It's a 4 a .m.

1237
00:44:01,860 --> 00:44:02,440
run.

1238
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,060
So for those of you that don't

1239
00:44:04,060 --> 00:44:08,180
like getting out of bed, this is
going to be extra special for you

1240
00:44:08,180 --> 00:44:11,370
because you'll be living outside
your comfort zone.

1241
00:44:11,370 --> 00:44:13,370
But it's definitely May the 4th be
with you.

1242
00:44:13,370 --> 00:44:14,070
Yeah, 4 a .m.

1243
00:44:14,070 --> 00:44:15,610
on May the 4th.

1244
00:44:15,610 --> 00:44:19,130
But I team up with the Okanagan
Lifestyle crew, Jax and Ryan and

1245
00:44:19,130 --> 00:44:19,650
their team.

1246
00:44:19,650 --> 00:44:21,690
They open up their doors, the

1247
00:44:21,690 --> 00:44:22,110
venue.

1248
00:44:22,110 --> 00:44:22,910
That's where everybody meets.

1249
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:26,090
And then we set off from there.

1250
00:44:26,090 --> 00:44:27,690
But it's a charity for spinal cord

1251
00:44:27,690 --> 00:44:28,110
injury research.

1252
00:44:28,110 --> 00:44:29,110
It's all about running for those

1253
00:44:29,110 --> 00:44:29,810
who can't.

1254
00:44:29,810 --> 00:44:30,850
There's no minimum or maximum

1255
00:44:30,850 --> 00:44:30,970
distance.

1256
00:44:30,970 --> 00:44:32,670
Once you start running, you just

1257
00:44:32,670 --> 00:44:36,970
want to see how far you can go. 30
minutes after you start running,

1258
00:44:36,970 --> 00:44:38,010
everybody downloads an app.

1259
00:44:38,010 --> 00:44:39,430
The finish line actually starts

1260
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:39,950
coming after you.

1261
00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:41,950
Oh, you got to stay ahead of the

1262
00:44:41,950 --> 00:44:42,670
finish line.

1263
00:44:42,890 --> 00:44:44,810
So you're being chased.

1264
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:47,290
Like for anybody that loves a
little bit of an adventure, like,

1265
00:43:09,830 --> 00:44:48,510
you know, living outside their
comfort zone, because nobody wants

1266
00:44:48,510 --> 00:44:48,510
to get up and start running at 4 a
.m.

1267
00:44:48,510 --> 00:44:51,830
Does the finish line just get
faster and faster?

1268
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:53,110
finish line just get and faster?
Yes.

1269
00:44:53,110 --> 00:44:53,190
Nice.

1270
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:55,630
And so after 30 minutes of it

1271
00:44:55,650 --> 00:44:57,590
going, it goes from 15 kilometers
an hour to 16.

1272
00:44:57,590 --> 00:44:59,230
Most people surprise themselves
with how far they can actually go.

1273
00:44:59,230 --> 00:45:02,430
A lot of people run like 10Ks that
don't normally run 10Ks.

1274
00:45:02,430 --> 00:45:06,820
And some people that are used to
running a little bit run like 15

1275
00:45:06,820 --> 00:45:07,400
to 20.

1276
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,200
It's all for spinal cord injury

1277
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,160
research.

1278
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,120
And we're having an event in

1279
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:13,340
Kelowna.

1280
00:45:13,340 --> 00:45:15,960
in may and it's run all around the

1281
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,340
world it's the biggest running
event on the planet there's like

1282
00:45:19,340 --> 00:45:22,680
280 000 people approximately that
ran it together last year at the

1283
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,170
exact same time that's why it
starts at 4 a

1284
00:45:25,170 --> 00:45:28,510
m in our time zone we just have a
crazy yeah we don't have the best

1285
00:45:28,510 --> 00:45:31,610
time zone for it but it's a
shotgun start around the world

1286
00:45:31,610 --> 00:45:33,850
it's a very very cool uh project
that's an awesome that's a nice

1287
00:45:33,850 --> 00:45:37,390
event yeah you guys should come
out yeah where i am i would love

1288
00:45:37,390 --> 00:45:37,210
to i'm doing the bmo half that day
are you yeah yeah that's they'll

1289
00:45:37,210 --> 00:45:40,610
be with you there the challenge
double up it probably doesn't

1290
00:45:40,610 --> 00:45:44,050
start till nine yeah i'll just run
to vancouver we've got some great

1291
00:45:44,050 --> 00:45:47,530
groups like accessible okanagan is
going to come out for the spinal

1292
00:45:47,530 --> 00:45:51,270
cord injury community and uh north
end run group like they've got a

1293
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:55,060
lot of members that we're gonna
try to pull out this year and get

1294
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,740
a bunch of people just to get
together and a guys should come

1295
00:45:59,740 --> 00:46:03,960
out where i am i would love to i'm
doing the bmo half that day are

1296
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,600
you yeah yeah that's they'll be
with you there the challenge

1297
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,420
double up it probably doesn't
start till nine yeah just run to

1298
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:10,720
vancouver we've got some great
groups like accessible okanagan is

1299
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:14,100
going to come out for the spinal
cord injury community and uh north

1300
00:46:14,100 --> 00:46:15,780
end run group like they've got a
lot of members that we're gonna

1301
00:46:15,780 --> 00:46:19,720
try to pull out this year and get
a bunch of people just to get

1302
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:22,300
together and Do some good exercise
activism, I like to call it.

1303
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:22,920
That's nice.

1304
00:46:23,260 --> 00:46:25,660
just run to How can Taylor or I or

1305
00:46:25,660 --> 00:46:27,380
our listeners help you?
What can we do for you?

1306
00:46:25,660 --> 00:46:27,920
Live with a little bit more
gratitude in your daily life.

1307
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,780
with a little bit more gratitude
in your daily life.

1308
00:46:29,780 --> 00:46:37,100
And if you want to find me and
connect, I'm pretty easy to find.

1309
00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:38,000
My website's MikeShawSki .com.

1310
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,940
So MikeShawSki, S -K -I dot com.

1311
00:46:39,940 --> 00:46:43,570
And find me on Instagram or find a
copy of my book, whatever.

1312
00:46:43,570 --> 00:46:44,570
Reach out to me.

1313
00:46:44,570 --> 00:46:44,790
Connect.

1314
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:46,690
I love to have conversations with
people in our community,

1315
00:46:46,690 --> 00:46:49,370
especially if I can support you in
any way.

1316
00:46:49,370 --> 00:46:52,910
And related to what we talked
about here today, that'd be

1317
00:46:52,910 --> 00:46:53,210
amazing.

1318
00:46:53,210 --> 00:46:54,390
I love it, man.

1319
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:54,690
Awesome, man.

1320
00:46:54,690 --> 00:46:56,930
It's been great talking to you.

1321
00:46:56,930 --> 00:47:00,010
Thank you so much for stopping by.

1322
00:47:00,010 --> 00:47:00,610
so Grateful.

1323
00:47:00,610 --> 00:47:01,550
Grateful that you're here.

1324
00:47:01,550 --> 00:47:01,830
Yeah.

1325
00:47:01,830 --> 00:47:02,710
Grateful to be here.

1326
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:03,570
Thanks for having me.

1327
00:47:03,570 --> 00:47:04,290
to be here.

1328
00:47:04,290 --> 00:47:05,610
Thanks for having me.

1329
00:47:05,610 --> 00:47:05,770
Okay.

1330
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:06,950
Have a good one.

1331
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:07,390
You too.