64: Taking the BC Government to Court Over the STR Legislation with Property Rights BC's Orion Rodgers

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Welcome back to the Kelowna Real
Estate Podcast.

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I'm your mortgage broker host,
Taylor Atkinson.

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I'm your real estate agent host,
Matt Glenn.

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How'd your triathlon, how'd the
cherry blossom go for It was a lot

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of fun, man.

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Those events are awesome.

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I guarantee I'm probably the only
person that jumped in the pool

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without his goggles on.

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purpose, you No, not on purpose.

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They were still on my head.

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I was one of the last guys to

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enter the pool.

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You know, you choose your time so

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So you don't like delay everyone
in the pool.

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Cause you're swimming like a snake
formation.

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I was chatting to a guy about
trying to figure out how the clock

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worked.

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And then I jumped in and my first

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couple, like, you know, little
head bobs, I'm like, I can't see a

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freaking thing in So you didn't
notice when he hit the water, it

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took you a while to figure it out.

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It me about, I don't know, know

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five to ten seconds and then i put
my goggles on and then after that

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i was off man i was killing it
good for you did you do pretty

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well i yeah that's relative i did
finish no i uh yeah it was a lot

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fun emily crushed it as well so it
was a good day the weather was

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nice and the fans were out So
nice.

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Yeah, that was awesome to you do
that.

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OK, and this is your last week to
vote for Kelowna now.

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So like we said, we are in the
voting round.

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Thank you very much for nominating
us.

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If you go down to media, best
local podcast, lick real estate

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podcast to help us out.

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we can vote till the 18th.

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By the time this gets released, I
think there'll be like four or

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five days left to vote.

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Yeah, so far I've seen a lot of

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people posting that they did vote
for us and sending me messages.

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So love to see that.

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We would love, love to win this

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category.

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I think we will.

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I think we got a shot.

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Yeah.

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Do we get maybe like a free lunch
out of it or something?

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I don't know.

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Whatever we get, even if it's just

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a pat on the back from each other.

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happy with it.

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Yeah.

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If we don't win, I'm not giving

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you that.

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Fair enough.

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Okay.

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Leading into today's show, awesome

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show, pretty relevant with talking
about short-term rental

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legislation.

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So we had on Orion Rogers from

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Property Rights BC.

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They are the organization that

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fundraised, I want to say around
$150,000 for a legal action

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lawsuit against the provincial
government.

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They are going to court in the
next couple of months.

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So it's actually happening
probably quicker than I

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anticipated, but he kind of ran us
through, you know, his origin

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story, why he is, you know,
fighting this battle and yeah,

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he's a pretty good voice to have.

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And their seem like super

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reasonable, what they're asking
for.

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They agree with a lot of things
that have been happening, like the

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whole movement does.

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I don't know what the whole

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movement, but this lawsuit does
and Ryan specifically, but what do

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they want?
They want an exemption of the

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residents and non-conforming
suites.

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And they seem to be going about it
the right way.

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Like they're actually going and
meeting face-to-face with

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politicians, you know, Ravi and
Eby.

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They're shaking hands and just
trying to unify the voice.

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So yeah, we would love to have
them back on in the future.

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But yeah, this is kind of just the
initial, hey, this is our

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organization.

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This is what we're doing.

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If you want to be part of it, you
know, go to their website.

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You can sign up for their
newsletter you can become a member

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you can make a donation so yeah
definitely a good organization to

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have yeah it's property rights
association so like right now

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they're fighting the short-term
rentals at the provincial level

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and also at the municipal level he
was saying but then that's just

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the issue of the day today so like
they're going to be fighting for

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your rights in the as well yeah
Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I think it's a valuable guy to

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Love for you to us.

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Give them a shout out on Kelowna
now as well.

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Yes, definitely do that.

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But vote for us first.

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Vote for us at the same time.

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Enjoy the show, you guys.

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Okay, thanks for joining us.

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Ryan Rogers, President of Property

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Rights Association, BC.

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How are you doing today?

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time coming having you on here.

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Yeah, thanks.

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I mean, caught some of your
episodes in the beginning, right?

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Amanda and Dina and stuff like
that.

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And so, you know, it's great to
chat about this.

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And here we are past this May 1st
threshold Yeah.

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So has anything changed like in
the last few days over that?

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very like, well, of course, things
have changed, right?

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You know, short-term rentals are
now restricted across the

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province.

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I mean, that is what has changed.

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If you go and search for a
short-term rental on any of the

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platforms, you will see next to
none, right?

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Yeah.

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Well, maybe we can just start

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with, we like to connect our
guests to our listener with what's

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your perfect Friday look like?
What do you kind of do?

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What's your role?
And leading into the weekend, what

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do you do for fun?
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I mean, father of two, I got a
seven and nine-year-old.

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So Fridays are kind of that end of
the week.

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Routine down picking up the kids
weather's nice we just get out and

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have some fun right after school
you know go play some sports or

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even go to like the arcade and
play some video games and then

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friday's movie night for our
family oh wow we don't blockbuster

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anymore right we can't go get a
movie so we try and like pick a

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movie as a family and sit down and
enjoy it put our phones away i

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think that's you know i'm really
passionate about that right now is

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just keep the screens out of it in
the evenings and that's it put

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down your phone and focus the tv
oh i love that though man i love

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too yeah i mean focus on your
family right so you know like yeah

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make popcorn and include the kids
you know there's seven and nine

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now right and they're i think
that's awesome fantastic so that's

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a passion for me right kind of
like have these device-free

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moments and then that spills into
the weekend that sets the weekend

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out right and the weekend is
sports in the mornings and getting

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out and having fun and you know
we're west coasters right like we

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need to be yeah rain or shine
outdoors doing something so i

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think it's super important i that
that brings me back to my

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childhood the tgif man going to
get some and yes born in 84 you

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know like i remember a time before
the screen you know i grew up on

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the gulf islands here so riding a
bike across gulf islands go see

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your friends yeah calling off to
talk to their parents yeah

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mysterious my friend home yeah
yeah we had to do that all the

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time that would never happen
nowadays yeah i wasn't even

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allowed inside until it was dark.

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Like if it was sunny I wasn't

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allowed to play inside.

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I have locked my kids outside.

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So I'm ready for them to come in.

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Let's jump right into it, Ryan.

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So is there anything about this
short-term legislation that you'd

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like?
You know what I think, and I've

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said this from the beginning, 80
to 90% of this legislation is

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great.

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You know, an industry needs

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regulation.

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You've got the real estate

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industry has the BC real estate
association, You know, there's

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self-governing bodies there.

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Pretty much every industry has

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some sort of self-governing body.

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Unfortunately, we didn't have that

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in short-term rentals.

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You know, it was just left up to

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municipalities to figure out a way
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And then what we've seen is, you
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deciding to regulate it.

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Take the city of Victoria and the

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city of Kelowna, for example, very
strict licensing regimes, right?

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Bylaw enforcement, ticketing, the
province essentially just mimicked

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what they had, but they went a
step further and they got more

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aggressive with the legal
non-conforming and not honoring

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zonings like Playa del Sol and
these commercially zoned

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properties.

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legal non-conforming in Victoria,

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you know, amended the local
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And so I think if they had avoided
those two pieces, we probably

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wouldn't have seen as much
pushback for sure.

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They would have just been
accepted.

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And the people that had a business
license that were operating

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lawfully legally, they would have
been happy.

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They would have said, oh, great.

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You're going after the bad people.

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You're going after the bad apples.

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You've recognized that my ticket

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here is a ticket to operate,
right?

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And so what's your role
specifically?

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Like, I guess you were a property
manager, owner prior to this.

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And then obviously once this all
happened, were you kind of taking

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the lead on starting this
association or what's your

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position exactly?
Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And you nailed it.

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I started with my own property.

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You know, I still only own one and

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a friend, you know, like yourself,
I was actually a mortgage broker

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decided to, you know, say, Hey,
I've got a secondary property.

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How's your short term rental stuff
going, took it on, and started to

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amass that created a company
coasting those vacation rentals

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with my wife.

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And when this came in, you know,

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we already got through the
pandemic, which was unprecedented,

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hard times for tourism, you know,
like that wasn't very long ago of,

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you know, seeing cancellations
after cancellations and just full

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disruption to the industry.

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And so we managed to get through

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that and grew our business.

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We've always grown at Lawfully.

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We've always hosted guests or
taken on clients with, you know,

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the zoning or requirements to
operate.

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And so when this happens, we knew
there was going to be rumblings of

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it happening.

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We actually, as managers here in

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Victoria had already kind of had a
meeting set up to get together and

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chat about this stuff that was
coming.

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And then it came fast, heavy, and
strong.

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And, you know, there was what, 10
managers in Victoria got together

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and about four to six of them kind
of subgrouped after that.

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And we're like, what do we need to
challenge this?

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Why is the industry just kind of
being walked over?

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Why does nobody care?
We recognize it's because there

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was no unified message and unified
voice, you know, circle back to

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that association or self governing
body of an industry.

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This one didn't have it.

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So we said, let's create an

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association.

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We started with property rights

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because we recognize that this is
what the trample was on a little

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bit.

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I do think at some point it will

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evolve into something else, right?
I'd like to see a BC short-term

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rental association, which, you
know, we've put the wheels in

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motion for that because I think
that will be a more recognized

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brand and eight directors total
created this entity.

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We all just recognized everyone
has a different strength in this.

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I don't like to be on camera, but
I like to connect with people.

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That's my superpower, right?
And I've got a team of love data,

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you know, they just love crunching
numbers and combing through data.

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And out of that, we called each
other the kind of needle movers.

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And we created this association,
registered it, you know, member

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funded, everything above board, so
it would be actually recognized

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and then create that unified
message.

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So we can go to politicians, and
they say, oh, it's just one group

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speaking to us, you know,
representing a membership, right?

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I think so far it's been
successful, you know, in being And

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you guys have started the legal
action on this pretty early as

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well.

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Was that you that kind of were the

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front runner for that Yeah, what
we did was, you know, we just

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heard from affected people, just
like any union, any association,

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any group, when you have enough
members that are affected by this,

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they're talking about, what can we
do?

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I want to support something.

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I don't believe this is right.

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You start to take that together,
you unpack it and look at it and

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say, okay, there are grounds here.

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You consult with the right people.

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We took a couple of different
legal counsels and opinions.

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Cox Taylor was, you know, John
Alexander, he's a well-renowned,

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you know, Victoria and BC land use
lawyer, said, I see an argument

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here.

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I see that the government has not

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recognized areas in their
legislation that are directly

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affecting and cancelling vested
rights in everyday people.

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And so that's the challenge.

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We're not challenging the

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legislation as a whole.

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We're not challenging, you know,

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is this good for housing, which we
all believe, you know, housing is

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important.

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What we're challenging is the fact

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that people that were lawfully,
operating legally, having their

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vested rights cancelled, if they
were originally zoned for it?

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Or is it people that had a
business license operating, just

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be allowed to continue to operate?
Or like you said, compensation,

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would we look for compensation for
those people?

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I it's multi-tiered.

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The actual petition, which I'll

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send you a copy if you haven't had
a chance to look at it already,

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are attacking parts 14 and 36.

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Section 36 is the legal

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non-conforming removal, so
amending the local government acts

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to not offer legal non-conforming
protections.

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And part 14 is the principal
residence requirement, right?

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And so when we look at those two
pieces, those would actually

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alleviate across the province and
allow people to then continue

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doing short-term rentals in the
way that they were inside of their

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municipal bylaws, right?
So the municipal bylaws could

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then, again, as Mr. Kalon and EB
have touted, the municipal bylaws

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can be more restrictive than the
provincial legislation.

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they are in Kelowna.

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they are in Kelowna, right?

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You were just talking about that
before the show.

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And same in Victoria, right?
So there is an ability for the

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legislation to be the floor.

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I know they call it the floor, but

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I like to think of it as, you
know, the ceiling essentially

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can't go higher and to bring that
down lower and lower.

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Now, with smart consultation
amongst the cities, I think there

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could be nuances and carve outs
where the provincial legislation

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and the data sharing and all of
that, right, for helping with

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enforcement, working together with
municipal bylaws could offer a

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very good landscape, a healthy
landscape for short-term rentals

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to operate without the unintended
consequences.

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So right now, it's to remove
sections 14 and 36 in short, but

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we're into litigation.

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There could be a moment of

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negotiation at some point.

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Those parts are unknown until we

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arrive at those moments, which we
haven't yet.

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Hopefully, we will soon.

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I know legal action can take

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forever, but is there kind of a
timeframe that we're anticipating

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to hear news on this?
Yeah.

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We're looking for this summer,
kind of mid-June is when we should

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have some clear understandings.

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Again, can always get moved around

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or pushed.

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And so we're not hanging our hats

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on those dates, but we're working
towards... you know, a lot of

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people thought it was going to be
May 1st.

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We're going to have an
understanding.

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We're going to stop it, but it
just doesn't work out that way.

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Right.

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So, and the legal strategy

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continues to change as it needs to
Well, that's pretty quick,

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actually.

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Yeah.

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That's just for initials.

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I mean, then it can get kicked

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down the road again.

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And, you know, just like any other

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kind of legal challenge and other
litigation.

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So I can speak a little bit to it
and talk about the body of it, but

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obviously the timelines and stuff,
there's just so much unknowns

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there.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, as we cross
different little mini thresholds,

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like we just crossed the May 1st
one, and we had another one that

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was there just kind of based on
some information.

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We just keep updating our members
as best we can.

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Yeah.

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And what about, like, challenging

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this could take a long time, but,
like, we do have an election

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coming up in the fall.

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Like, are you pushing people

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towards voting, obviously, but
voting a specific way or specific

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candidates or party or like, have
you thought about that at all?

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Yeah, I mean, this is a discussion
that we've been having a lot.

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We are entering election season
very quickly.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You can see it, you know, in

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Facebook ads and stuff like that.

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You're starting to see notices of,

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you know, what you can talk about,
what you can't talk about.

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And our member base will vote how
they want to vote.

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You know, everyone's got an
opinion.

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We all know what opinions are like
and everyone has one, right?

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And so, you know, my stance on it
is let's look at what the current

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government has done.

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Has it been successful?

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Has there been shortfalls?
Which government could do a better

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job?
Which government is sympathetic to

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this?
We've seen Karim Kapatrick get up

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there and enhance our legislative
just going after Ravi Kolan.

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But she's stepping down in a year.

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She's not going to run again,

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right?
So you've got someone from the BC

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United that is just driving it
home.

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I think that's doing a great job
of just bringing more public

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perception and helping change a
narrative around what we've kind

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of stigmatized, you know,
demonized here, short-term

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rentals, this bad term.

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And so when I look at the upcoming

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election, I see an opportunity for
change.

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We have a majority government
currently.

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I would like to see it split and
broken down.

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And if two other contenders got
in, you know, maybe they could be

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conversations that they vote in a
block over certain topics, right?

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So now we have a blended
government over three people,

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which, you know, let's be honest,
blended governments, things move

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slower, but you've got more voices
involved in policy change, right?

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And again, hence why things move
slower, but there's more

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opportunity for, you know, little
coalitions and little groupings

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and trying to get things through.

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So I'm not going to hang my hat on

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one party.

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I actually never voted much in my

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life up until a couple of years
ago.

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My mom was like, what?
You like care about politics?

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Now you're the president of the
Property Rights Association of BC.

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Just to talk about that and our
association.

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So one of the things, you know, I
recognized and we recognize as a

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group is about that unified
message about being professional.

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We started registering the
association for different groups,

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right?
So the first was the register for

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the Chamber of Commerce here in
Victoria.

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Because, you know, we're small
businesses, we're small

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entrepreneurs.

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And Bruce here, the president of

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the chamber, great guy.

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I'm sure you guys chatted with

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your chamber up in Kelowna.

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You know, they're a great group,

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right?
They're looking out for businesses

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and businesses are the backbone of
our economy and the society.

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So registered for the association.

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Well, one of the first events that

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was put on is a breakfast with
Premier David Eby.

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Yes.

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It happened last Tuesday.

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Nice.

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So we booked a table and

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coincidentally got like put right
in front of his podium which was

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pretty good and we got our name
tag on our table right west coast

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association property rights and my
advocate partner two of us because

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we're of the people skills we kind
of take the advocacy stuff he just

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kind of looked at me said you
should go talk to david i'm like

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what what do you mean go talk to
him because he's right there he's

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talking to the chief police you
know he's walking around mingling

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yeah i said okay yeah so i walk
over to him i shake his hand i

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said hi i'm orion rogers and gave
me that look of i know who you are

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nice you have a lawsuit against me
at the moment and i just looked

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him in the eye i said listen your
short-term rental policy is really

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affecting me and i said there's a
group of table of folks behind me

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that's negatively impacting it's
going to change their lives And he

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came over to our table and he went
around, he shook hands and did get

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to meet everybody and had a
conversation with one of our last

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fellows.

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And, you know, we were able to

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just kind of get a little more of
a direct email and, you know,

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hopefully we can send some
information there that maybe they

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weren't looking at.

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Right.

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You know, that's kind of what I
get at.

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So, you know, positioning the
association important, not

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aligning with the party, but, you
know, providing information and

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trying to consult because we
weren't consulted as an industry.

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You know, that's the focus, right?
Kevin Falcon is going to be here

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in a couple of weeks.

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We might go do the same thing

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there and just meet him and have
conversation, right?

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Trying to educate where we What
about Ravi?

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Are you to meet him?
We've tried a lot, spoken with his

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chief of staff and executive
assistant a few times, has no time

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for a meeting.

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I don't think Ravi is the reason

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this legislation is in.

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I think this is close to the

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premier's heart.

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He's had a lot of stuff about

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housing in his career, a lot of
initiatives, a lot of talk there.

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And I think this stems from the
top.

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And Ravi, he's a spokesperson,
right?

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He's a spokesperson for the
Ministry of Housing.

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And so it's a two-prong approach,
of course, right?

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You try and get in the door, but I
do think it was stopped with Mr.

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Eby.

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And so trying to get in front of

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him, have conversation has always
been our goal.

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So do you think he actually
believes that this will help

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affordability and help housing?
Or is it more of, you know what,

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my voting people, I'm going to
connect with them on these certain

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topics and it's going to be good
for my campaign.

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I think if he's going to increase
one thing out of this policy, it's

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votes.

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You think he's going to get more

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votes because of this?
Well, I think that's his goal.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it is a campaign run,

485
00:17:20,749 --> 00:17:23,365
right?
And campaign runs don't start, you

486
00:17:23,365 --> 00:17:25,044
know, three weeks before the
election.

487
00:17:24,944 --> 00:17:27,406
They start a year before the
election, right?

488
00:17:27,406 --> 00:17:31,479
So I guess the question is like,
if he thinks it's just a campaign

489
00:17:31,379 --> 00:17:33,661
run, like what are you guys trying
to communicate to him that would

490
00:17:33,661 --> 00:17:35,447
change his mind?
Like, I know you're trying to

491
00:17:35,447 --> 00:17:36,590
educate on a whole amount of
different levels.

492
00:17:36,662 --> 00:17:39,261
Like in Kelowna, we're talking
about, you know, the medical

493
00:17:39,261 --> 00:17:41,429
industry is huge here, right?
We're at the interior hospital,

494
00:17:41,529 --> 00:17:43,118
like basically from Prince George
to Vancouver.

495
00:17:43,118 --> 00:17:46,711
So we can communicate on those
certain avenues that like feel

496
00:17:46,711 --> 00:17:47,030
very powerful.

497
00:17:47,130 --> 00:17:49,266
But if he's just going after the

498
00:17:49,266 --> 00:17:53,601
polls, what do you do to change
his mind other than hire a lawyer?

499
00:17:53,701 --> 00:17:57,011
But in your conversation with him,
what do you try and get I don't

500
00:17:57,011 --> 00:17:59,648
think anything this side of the
election would be negotiated with

501
00:17:59,648 --> 00:18:02,359
the NDP, unfortunately, because
they've hung their hat on this.

502
00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,967
I mean, the Homes for People plan
started in April, I think it was

503
00:18:05,967 --> 00:18:08,372
released last year, right?
Touting all of the big initiatives

504
00:18:08,372 --> 00:18:09,709
and how much money they're going
to spend.

505
00:18:09,709 --> 00:18:13,167
Of course, this was a line item in
there, which has now turned into a

506
00:18:13,167 --> 00:18:16,454
thing, right?
And that thing is because of us.

507
00:18:16,454 --> 00:18:20,340
And so, you know, provide smart
data of these are the people that

508
00:18:20,340 --> 00:18:21,705
you're impacting.

509
00:18:21,705 --> 00:18:23,230
So they brought it out.

510
00:18:23,230 --> 00:18:25,558
And this is back to the
conversation with this.

511
00:18:25,558 --> 00:18:28,843
When we talked about who is
hurting at this table, he said,

512
00:18:28,843 --> 00:18:31,693
well, this wasn't my intent was to
hurt, you know, you types of

513
00:18:31,693 --> 00:18:32,883
people because we're not corporate
investors.

514
00:18:32,883 --> 00:18:35,837
You know, everyone sitting around
the table either owns one or owns

515
00:18:35,816 --> 00:18:38,847
a business that is servicing a
number of them and has staff and

516
00:18:38,947 --> 00:18:41,863
employees and, you know, they're
providing for themselves and the

517
00:18:41,763 --> 00:18:42,293
economy.

518
00:18:42,293 --> 00:18:44,060
The short-term rental legislation

519
00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:45,363
came out and was blunt.

520
00:18:45,363 --> 00:18:46,951
And there was enough uproar from

521
00:18:46,951 --> 00:18:48,942
Parksville with support of their
mayor and council.

522
00:18:48,942 --> 00:18:52,646
Mayor O'Brien did a very good job
there being loud and being on

523
00:18:52,746 --> 00:18:54,251
podcasts like this and being on
discussions.

524
00:18:54,251 --> 00:18:56,897
And Parksville then received the
language and the regulations,

525
00:18:56,897 --> 00:18:58,482
which is going to exempt them,
right?

526
00:18:58,482 --> 00:19:01,095
And so the idea is to show that
these other folks where this

527
00:19:01,195 --> 00:19:03,932
housing is not the stock that
they're really going after, like,

528
00:19:03,932 --> 00:19:06,732
you know, let's be honest, we're
all in real estate here.

529
00:19:06,732 --> 00:19:09,654
A lot of these condos are north of
$500,000, Easily.

530
00:19:09,654 --> 00:19:09,800
are.

531
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,770
What's a mortgage right now?

532
00:19:11,770 --> 00:19:14,659
And 400 grand off the top of your
Let's head.

533
00:19:14,659 --> 00:19:15,567
go, 3,200 Taylor.

534
00:19:15,567 --> 00:19:15,707
bucks.

535
00:19:15,707 --> 00:19:16,196
right?
3,,000, They Easily.

536
00:19:16,196 --> 00:19:17,104
all What's are.

537
00:19:17,104 --> 00:19:18,082
a mortgage right now?

538
00:19:18,082 --> 00:19:20,416
And 400 grand off the top of your
head.

539
00:19:20,416 --> 00:19:20,821
go, 3,200 bucks.

540
00:19:20,821 --> 00:19:21,125
3,200 right?

541
00:19:21,479 --> 00:19:21,783
worth referral.

542
00:19:21,783 --> 00:19:22,948
Plus strata, plus taxes, plus

543
00:19:22,948 --> 00:19:26,859
everything else on it, right?
So, you know, and then how much do

544
00:19:26,859 --> 00:19:28,020
you need to service that debt,
right?

545
00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,516
Like, so what is your debt service
ratio on that amount?

546
00:19:30,516 --> 00:19:33,044
So showing that legislation, you
already did a carve out for one

547
00:19:33,044 --> 00:19:33,508
group.

548
00:19:33,508 --> 00:19:34,646
This other group, again, is not

549
00:19:34,646 --> 00:19:36,303
going to give you the housing
stock you're going to want.

550
00:19:36,403 --> 00:19:39,557
And all it's going to do is create
pain and discomfort and put people

551
00:19:39,557 --> 00:19:42,413
out and really, you know,
financially devastate them, right?

552
00:19:42,413 --> 00:19:46,970
And these are people that saved,
gosh, one of my clients is an old

553
00:19:46,970 --> 00:19:47,422
folk singer.

554
00:19:47,322 --> 00:19:48,201
And she saved, you know,

555
00:19:48,201 --> 00:19:49,959
everything she possibly could with
her partner.

556
00:19:49,959 --> 00:19:52,923
And they bought a condo to operate
as a short-term rental until they

557
00:19:52,923 --> 00:19:55,318
retire and then maybe one day
retiring right like there's some a

558
00:19:55,318 --> 00:19:58,113
lot of sad stories there aside
from the impact right and so how

559
00:19:58,113 --> 00:20:01,279
do you get that through to them
because i think that speaks

560
00:20:01,279 --> 00:20:04,500
volumes right and especially when
it's out in the news of your

561
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,905
legislation is hurting people yeah
yeah i was thinking about kelowna

562
00:20:07,905 --> 00:20:11,824
like we have a few buildings
coming up like Auckland Command

563
00:20:11,824 --> 00:20:15,909
that aren't even built yet that
people bought to short term

564
00:20:16,009 --> 00:20:16,637
rental.

565
00:20:16,537 --> 00:20:18,058
There's questions how these people

566
00:20:18,058 --> 00:20:21,451
are going to even close, how
they're going to afford it once

567
00:20:21,451 --> 00:20:24,502
they do close on the purchases.

568
00:20:24,502 --> 00:20:27,220
Like the Planet of Souls, at least

569
00:20:27,220 --> 00:20:28,317
that building is running right
now.

570
00:20:28,417 --> 00:20:32,400
You can get a tenant in there, but
like these places, they have to

571
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,191
come up with the money to buy
them.

572
00:20:34,191 --> 00:20:37,930
And Aqua is sold on the premise
that we're going to be able to do

573
00:20:37,930 --> 00:20:38,130
this.

574
00:20:38,130 --> 00:20:38,430
Right.

575
00:20:38,430 --> 00:20:40,328
And that's a real tough one.

576
00:20:40,328 --> 00:20:43,595
And, you know, this is where there

577
00:20:43,595 --> 00:20:44,875
is some language around the strata
title hotel that could fit some of

578
00:20:44,780 --> 00:20:44,988
these bigger properties.

579
00:20:44,954 --> 00:20:45,514
But, you know, there's a process

580
00:20:45,333 --> 00:20:45,816
that'll have to go through to get
them.

581
00:20:45,674 --> 00:20:46,080
Of course, we're investigating
that as an association and who

582
00:20:46,022 --> 00:20:47,620
that could apply to.

583
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,557
You know, the thing with

584
00:20:50,657 --> 00:20:53,857
regulations is that,
unfortunately, they can be changed

585
00:20:53,957 --> 00:20:56,354
very easily at any time, right?
You mean the strata regulations?

586
00:20:56,354 --> 00:20:58,706
Yeah, like anything in the
regulations doesn't have to go

587
00:20:58,706 --> 00:21:00,008
through a legislative assembly,
doesn't be voted on.

588
00:21:00,008 --> 00:21:03,095
The government in power can make
changes on that.

589
00:21:03,095 --> 00:21:06,407
So, you know, you want to circle
back into the political side of

590
00:21:06,407 --> 00:21:06,556
things.

591
00:21:06,556 --> 00:21:07,753
If there was changes at the

592
00:21:07,753 --> 00:21:10,420
current government to come out of
the majority and we had more

593
00:21:10,420 --> 00:21:13,380
blended thinking and governments
that could be approached that

594
00:21:13,380 --> 00:21:16,107
would want to speak up and make
changes.

595
00:21:16,207 --> 00:21:19,107
We could see changes at just a
regulation level that could

596
00:21:19,107 --> 00:21:21,133
protect or allow opportunity for
short-term rentals to continue in

597
00:21:21,133 --> 00:21:24,848
some capacity in some buildings or
some zonings or some areas, right?

598
00:21:24,748 --> 00:21:27,889
So again, back to the nuances too,
that it can't just be blunt.

599
00:21:27,889 --> 00:21:30,741
We can't just say, all properties
in commercial zones can be

600
00:21:30,741 --> 00:21:31,493
short-term rentals.

601
00:21:31,493 --> 00:21:32,927
Well, that opens another can of

602
00:21:32,927 --> 00:21:35,119
worms, right?
So we need to get a little more

603
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,127
specific there, which the
regulations are only a couple of

604
00:21:37,127 --> 00:21:37,685
pages long.

605
00:21:37,685 --> 00:21:38,076
Yeah.

606
00:21:38,076 --> 00:21:40,410
you tried to be like super
unbiased and view it from the

607
00:21:40,410 --> 00:21:42,457
other way?
And I'm only thinking because, you

608
00:21:42,457 --> 00:21:45,041
know, I live in this bit of an
echo chamber as well.

609
00:21:45,041 --> 00:21:48,007
And all the stories that I have
heard are like you, it's usually

610
00:21:48,007 --> 00:21:49,784
one other property that they own.

611
00:21:49,784 --> 00:21:50,670
Like it's their only investment.

612
00:21:50,670 --> 00:21:52,605
They're trying to get ahead in
life or it's a cleaning company or

613
00:21:52,605 --> 00:21:54,288
a management company and
everyone's really struggling.

614
00:21:54,288 --> 00:21:56,945
And the only other story that I've
seen, it was actually on a comic

615
00:21:56,945 --> 00:21:57,047
call.

616
00:21:57,047 --> 00:21:57,997
It was David Eby was doing a

617
00:21:58,067 --> 00:21:58,751
campaign and it was out of
Vancouver.

618
00:21:58,751 --> 00:22:01,161
And this guy came on and he was
pretty Gucci, like wearing these

619
00:22:01,161 --> 00:22:01,566
sunglasses.

620
00:22:01,566 --> 00:22:02,955
And he was like, yeah, you know,

621
00:22:02,955 --> 00:22:05,273
like I really believe in this
affordability and the short-term

622
00:22:05,273 --> 00:22:05,628
rental legislation.

623
00:22:05,728 --> 00:22:07,900
And, you know, I used to live in

624
00:22:07,900 --> 00:22:10,302
like an apartment complex 10
blocks away from here.

625
00:22:10,302 --> 00:22:14,296
And then I saw this like Airbnb
style property come on and, you

626
00:22:14,296 --> 00:22:16,882
know, I knew that they were going
to be in pain.

627
00:22:16,882 --> 00:22:18,843
So I swooped in and got it.

628
00:22:18,843 --> 00:22:20,740
And I was like, I'm actually

629
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,240
trying to relate to this guy from
his side of you, but it just seems

630
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,051
like such a opportunist socialist,
like, Hey, someone's going to

631
00:22:26,951 --> 00:22:27,151
struggle.

632
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,679
I'm going to maybe get a nicer

633
00:22:28,679 --> 00:22:31,009
place to live in because now
people are kind of stuck.

634
00:22:31,009 --> 00:22:33,572
So do you see any of that other
side of the argument?

635
00:22:33,472 --> 00:22:35,238
Like, have you seen it where
you're like, yeah, okay.

636
00:22:35,217 --> 00:22:36,820
It makes sense for this specific
area.

637
00:22:36,820 --> 00:22:40,125
I don't agree with the legislation
is that it says you can rent out

638
00:22:40,125 --> 00:22:42,921
your secondary suite, additional
dwelling unit, or carriage home.

639
00:22:42,921 --> 00:22:44,828
You in Kelowna, by the way.

640
00:22:44,828 --> 00:22:46,767
And that's where we get into the

641
00:22:46,767 --> 00:22:47,755
restrictions for municipalities.

642
00:22:47,755 --> 00:22:50,185
But they've set this floor or

643
00:22:50,185 --> 00:22:53,427
ceiling, right?
And they've given that as one of

644
00:22:53,427 --> 00:22:53,793
the provisions.

645
00:22:53,793 --> 00:22:55,988
I mean, God, I remember back to

646
00:22:55,988 --> 00:22:59,385
being 20 years old, I rented a
basement suite, you know, like a

647
00:22:59,385 --> 00:23:00,128
five foot ceiling.

648
00:23:00,128 --> 00:23:01,811
You had to step down into the

649
00:23:01,811 --> 00:23:03,650
bathroom and you stepped up into
the kitchen.

650
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:05,196
And, you know, that was cheap,
really cheap.

651
00:23:05,296 --> 00:23:05,626
Right.

652
00:23:05,526 --> 00:23:06,629
And we packed a few people in

653
00:23:06,629 --> 00:23:06,960
there.

654
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:07,588
That's affordable.

655
00:23:07,688 --> 00:23:08,301
That's affordable accommodations.

656
00:23:08,301 --> 00:23:08,861
Right.

657
00:23:08,861 --> 00:23:09,676
And so they're that away.

658
00:23:09,676 --> 00:23:11,667
The province is taking that away.

659
00:23:11,667 --> 00:23:13,761
Now, the municipalities can be
more restrictive.

660
00:23:13,761 --> 00:23:16,660
And of course, a lot allow that as
an option.

661
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,629
But the province is saying here,
if you have a carriage house in

662
00:23:19,629 --> 00:23:21,740
your backyard, you can rent that
as a short-term rental.

663
00:23:21,740 --> 00:23:24,967
But the $700,000 condo that was in
a commercially zoned property in

664
00:23:24,967 --> 00:23:27,481
downtown Kelowna, that needs to go
back to housing stock.

665
00:23:27,481 --> 00:23:29,569
So I appreciate the premier's
content creation around his ad in

666
00:23:29,569 --> 00:23:29,631
Vancouver.

667
00:23:29,631 --> 00:23:31,800
And in Vancouver, it was very

668
00:23:32,300 --> 00:23:32,467
strict.

669
00:23:32,467 --> 00:23:33,638
That was probably an illegal

670
00:23:33,638 --> 00:23:36,590
operator that the guy got shut
down and he's found that place.

671
00:23:36,590 --> 00:23:37,326
So that's another conversation.

672
00:23:37,326 --> 00:23:38,249
So I can appreciate the fact that

673
00:23:38,249 --> 00:23:39,689
there is an intent there to create
that.

674
00:23:39,689 --> 00:23:40,520
I haven't seen it.

675
00:23:40,700 --> 00:23:43,425
I see a lot of places for sale in

676
00:23:43,325 --> 00:23:44,833
Victoria that aren't in short-term
rental buildings.

677
00:23:44,833 --> 00:23:48,344
And I keep an eye on the market
all the time.

678
00:23:48,444 --> 00:23:49,422
There's always places up for sale,
right?

679
00:23:49,422 --> 00:23:52,982
And there is a pretty good healthy
rental market, even though, you

680
00:23:52,982 --> 00:23:54,620
know, claims are 1% or lower.

681
00:23:54,620 --> 00:23:56,273
When you go and face a

682
00:23:56,173 --> 00:23:57,607
marketplace, you do see a lot of
places.

683
00:23:57,607 --> 00:23:59,527
The affordability, I think is what
it really comes down to, not

684
00:23:59,527 --> 00:24:00,088
necessarily the availability.

685
00:23:59,988 --> 00:24:01,575
And this was where we circled back

686
00:24:01,575 --> 00:24:02,855
into, I don't think this stock
will help it.

687
00:24:02,855 --> 00:24:05,018
So I haven't personally seen it,
Taylor.

688
00:24:05,118 --> 00:24:08,700
I try and see it from the other
side.

689
00:24:08,700 --> 00:24:12,218
I try and wrap my head around
who's out there needing housing.

690
00:24:12,218 --> 00:24:15,240
I hear Minister Kalan say, we have
people living in RVs.

691
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,291
We need this housing.

692
00:24:16,291 --> 00:24:17,995
And I don't know what he's on, but

693
00:24:17,995 --> 00:24:19,499
it just seems like a big
disconnect there.

694
00:24:19,499 --> 00:24:24,594
And I feel terribly sorry for
those people that live in RVs or

695
00:24:24,594 --> 00:24:29,085
living in tents i see them in my
neighborhood i'm just trying to

696
00:24:29,085 --> 00:24:31,666
figure out where he's tying the
two together and the only thing i

697
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:35,470
can think of is it just looks good
tying those two together you know

698
00:24:35,470 --> 00:24:38,805
in a media in a press release
right yeah and that's unfortunate

699
00:24:38,805 --> 00:24:42,374
and that circles again back into
this election year we're in yeah

700
00:24:42,374 --> 00:24:45,140
have you guys had any contact with
airbnb or vrbo the company reason

701
00:24:45,140 --> 00:24:48,161
why i ask is because i see like
see VRBO has commercials out and

702
00:24:48,161 --> 00:24:49,470
they're like, rent with VRBO.

703
00:24:49,370 --> 00:24:50,785
We guarantee that the homeowner is

704
00:24:50,785 --> 00:24:52,117
not going to be home.

705
00:24:52,117 --> 00:24:54,440
And then Airbnb has one where it's

706
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,144
like, rent with an Airbnb.

707
00:24:57,144 --> 00:24:59,286
And that way you can put your

708
00:24:59,286 --> 00:25:02,407
child to bed in a different room
and you can stay up.

709
00:25:02,407 --> 00:25:03,367
Your child's bedtime is not
everyone's bedtime.

710
00:25:03,336 --> 00:25:05,423
And I just wonder, I brought this
up on a podcast before, but it

711
00:25:05,417 --> 00:25:07,641
feels like there's an opportunity
for them to spend marketing

712
00:25:07,641 --> 00:25:10,516
dollars, like kind of fluffing up
the industry as a whole, you know,

713
00:25:10,516 --> 00:25:14,208
instead of just like trying to
rent out these rooms.

714
00:25:14,208 --> 00:25:19,363
Like, I feel like there's a space
for them to help because I can't

715
00:25:19,363 --> 00:25:23,843
help but think, let's say we go
into this election in the fall and

716
00:25:23,843 --> 00:25:26,440
EB, it's super popular and he just
wins like crazy because of what

717
00:25:26,436 --> 00:25:26,681
happened.

718
00:25:26,681 --> 00:25:28,729
Like, it's just going to go right

719
00:25:28,729 --> 00:25:30,334
across the whole province.

720
00:25:30,334 --> 00:25:33,166
I feel like this is just not going

721
00:25:33,166 --> 00:25:34,304
to stop.

722
00:25:34,204 --> 00:25:36,191
And I feel like there is an

723
00:25:36,191 --> 00:25:41,187
opportunity for the big company to
kind of come in and help with the

724
00:25:41,087 --> 00:25:43,877
PR campaign, like sell it to the
public why these are good for our

725
00:25:43,877 --> 00:25:45,689
community, right?
And I just, I kind of feel like

726
00:25:45,689 --> 00:25:47,437
they're missing the mark right
there.

727
00:25:47,337 --> 00:25:50,397
I don't know if you have any
thoughts on that or if you reach

728
00:25:50,397 --> 00:25:51,581
out to them.

729
00:25:51,481 --> 00:25:52,246
it's a very convoluted situation.

730
00:25:52,246 --> 00:25:54,120
I totally agree with you.

731
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:55,644
And that's a big argument from the

732
00:25:55,744 --> 00:25:57,440
beginning of this is, where's
Airbnb?

733
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,930
Why are they not helping us?
You know, where's the RBO?

734
00:25:59,930 --> 00:26:03,651
So there's a couple different
things and I can speak to both of

735
00:26:03,651 --> 00:26:04,471
them pretty well.

736
00:26:04,471 --> 00:26:05,692
I've had great conversations with

737
00:26:05,692 --> 00:26:06,087
Airbnb.

738
00:26:06,187 --> 00:26:07,823
You know, this is coming back from

739
00:26:07,823 --> 00:26:09,322
that unified message association.

740
00:26:09,322 --> 00:26:12,598
I reached out to their policy team

741
00:26:12,498 --> 00:26:13,626
immediately on LinkedIn.

742
00:26:13,626 --> 00:26:15,694
You know, I identified myself as

743
00:26:15,794 --> 00:26:18,934
not president of the time, but a
director of an association.

744
00:26:18,934 --> 00:26:21,154
And I got a response with the
promotion.

745
00:26:21,054 --> 00:26:24,403
And so from that, we have a good
line of communication there to get

746
00:26:24,403 --> 00:26:25,971
understanding of, you know, where
their position is.

747
00:26:25,971 --> 00:26:27,513
They're a publicly traded company,
right?

748
00:26:27,513 --> 00:26:28,655
You know, their position is
profits.

749
00:26:28,655 --> 00:26:29,934
Unfortunately, they are the
corporate entity.

750
00:26:29,934 --> 00:26:31,295
They have the target on their
back.

751
00:26:31,295 --> 00:26:34,082
We've been kind of roped in as
guilty by association with them.

752
00:26:34,082 --> 00:26:36,084
Their marketing dollars, I think
will always continue to be, you

753
00:26:36,084 --> 00:26:39,717
know, about promoting Airbnb as a
whole and how good Airbnb is over

754
00:26:40,026 --> 00:26:41,958
their competitor, right?
And same with VRBO, right?

755
00:26:41,958 --> 00:26:43,968
Cat and mouse back and forth
situation.

756
00:26:43,968 --> 00:26:46,686
How they've offered you know the
communications that we have is I

757
00:26:46,686 --> 00:26:50,180
don't know if we saw their
economic report that they put out

758
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,227
a couple of weeks ago right
talking about the economic

759
00:26:52,227 --> 00:26:54,767
benefits and impact to BC those
are conversations that we've had

760
00:26:54,667 --> 00:26:57,352
with them of like this type of
stuff is what needs to be put out

761
00:26:57,352 --> 00:26:59,730
but it kind of gets landed on deaf
ears because nobody wants to read

762
00:26:59,730 --> 00:27:02,467
like you know never-ending data
about how many jobs there are how

763
00:27:02,467 --> 00:27:05,460
much money there is and they want
sound bites they want video clips

764
00:27:05,460 --> 00:27:08,120
like we have attention spans
shorter than a goldfish these days

765
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:10,208
right so yeah and those little
soft cute commercials that are on

766
00:27:10,192 --> 00:27:12,689
youtube are exactly what catch
people but i think they are making

767
00:27:12,689 --> 00:27:14,611
enemies as well like why couldn't
you make a commercial that says

768
00:27:14,711 --> 00:27:17,762
sally is sick and she had nowhere
to stay and she wanted to stay in

769
00:27:17,762 --> 00:27:20,380
an airbnb right beside the
hospital you could make that

770
00:27:20,380 --> 00:27:22,189
commercial pull on heartstrings
and pull in dollars right like i

771
00:27:22,189 --> 00:27:24,688
don't understand why that's not a
yeah no i agree with you matt and

772
00:27:24,788 --> 00:27:27,522
you know what topic of discussion
for my next meeting with them i

773
00:27:27,522 --> 00:27:31,130
think the hotel one that is their
way of like trying to fight the

774
00:27:31,130 --> 00:27:33,544
hotel industry a bit which yeah
you know public facing is a spark

775
00:27:33,444 --> 00:27:35,149
of, well, yeah, I don't want to go
to bed with my kids.

776
00:27:35,149 --> 00:27:36,123
Like, of course, that doesn't make
sense.

777
00:27:36,099 --> 00:27:39,275
Or I don't want to go in a group
with the three of us or four of us

778
00:27:39,275 --> 00:27:42,980
and we all got to stay in separate
rooms, right?

779
00:27:42,980 --> 00:27:50,949
Because, you know, we want to be
in a house or something like that.

780
00:27:50,949 --> 00:27:52,286
But I think they have tons of room
for improvement.

781
00:27:52,216 --> 00:27:52,558
Publicly traded company.

782
00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:53,677
I ask a lot of questions in those

783
00:27:53,677 --> 00:27:54,496
meetings and I get certain
responses.

784
00:27:54,358 --> 00:27:57,049
From the hotel side, like I know
we hear a little bit of

785
00:27:57,049 --> 00:27:59,700
speculation in the background, but
like, is the hotel industry

786
00:27:59,700 --> 00:28:02,444
driving some of this campaign a
little bit?

787
00:28:02,544 --> 00:28:05,993
Like, I think there was a rumor
that they were funding the McGill

788
00:28:05,993 --> 00:28:12,990
report that came out that kind of
was the catalyst for a lot of

789
00:28:12,990 --> 00:28:13,157
this.

790
00:28:13,157 --> 00:28:15,159
Are you guys kind of battling the

791
00:28:15,159 --> 00:28:20,206
hotel industry as well for this?
Like, where are you with We are

792
00:28:20,306 --> 00:28:21,263
100% battling our competitors,
right?

793
00:28:21,263 --> 00:28:24,447
This is a customer segment that is
very desired, right?

794
00:28:24,347 --> 00:28:30,521
Short-term rental folks, guests,
we just talked about this, right?

795
00:28:30,521 --> 00:28:31,604
Like staying in a bigger place,
more people splitting it up.

796
00:28:31,604 --> 00:28:33,061
And the hotel industry, without a
doubt, funded the McGill study,

797
00:28:33,038 --> 00:28:34,136
which technically actually wasn't
a McGill study.

798
00:28:34,036 --> 00:28:36,367
We've done a great report on this.

799
00:28:36,367 --> 00:28:38,773
It was just a gun for hire, a

800
00:28:38,773 --> 00:28:41,510
professor from the McGill
University, David Washmith, that

801
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:45,532
was paid by the BC Hotel
Association to do this economic

802
00:28:45,532 --> 00:28:47,022
impact report on housing.

803
00:28:47,022 --> 00:28:47,976
We reached out to McGill asking

804
00:28:47,976 --> 00:28:50,307
for information and they sent an
email back saying, we received no

805
00:28:50,307 --> 00:28:50,886
money from this.

806
00:28:50,886 --> 00:28:52,727
And this was created by an

807
00:28:52,727 --> 00:28:54,502
independent contractor, a
professor of theirs.

808
00:28:54,502 --> 00:28:56,872
But they've asked to pull their
branding and logo off of it.

809
00:28:56,845 --> 00:28:58,729
Because the branding was on it and
it was touted as the McGill study,

810
00:28:58,729 --> 00:28:59,784
which is Canada's renowned
university.

811
00:28:59,784 --> 00:28:59,916
Interesting.

812
00:28:59,916 --> 00:29:01,299
The Harvard of Canada.

813
00:29:01,299 --> 00:29:05,280
So we're toe-to-toe with the hotel
association yes if you go back if

814
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,540
you look at lobbying registers
from the last you know couple

815
00:29:07,540 --> 00:29:10,338
years you will see the president
of the hotel association meeting

816
00:29:10,338 --> 00:29:13,026
with rabbi khalan over and over
and over again right discussing

817
00:29:13,026 --> 00:29:16,310
housing and you know you gotta
wonder what is the intent there

818
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:19,200
that the hotel is talking about
housing with the housing minister

819
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,755
yeah mean there would be like an
outcry if they all of a sudden

820
00:29:23,755 --> 00:29:25,867
forced legislation on hotels that
they had to convert all of their

821
00:29:25,867 --> 00:29:27,127
units into like long-term
accommodation you know it's

822
00:29:27,127 --> 00:29:29,341
essentially the same thing of we
have these purpose-built airbnb

823
00:29:29,341 --> 00:29:32,366
short-term rental type places and
we're being forced to change the

824
00:29:32,366 --> 00:29:33,027
use of it.

825
00:29:33,027 --> 00:29:34,448
It'd be the same if they did that

826
00:29:34,444 --> 00:29:35,132
to the hotel industry.

827
00:29:35,128 --> 00:29:36,740
And the wild thing is, here's our

828
00:29:36,740 --> 00:29:39,141
argument, right?
So the premier got up in a press

829
00:29:39,141 --> 00:29:42,548
release on April 18th and said, we
are building more hotels in

830
00:29:42,548 --> 00:29:44,511
Vancouver to fill the demand.

831
00:29:44,511 --> 00:29:46,134
And without this legislation,

832
00:29:46,134 --> 00:29:48,356
those hotel developers would not
have moved on buying these lands

833
00:29:48,356 --> 00:29:49,000
and building these buildings,
right?

834
00:29:49,300 --> 00:29:51,751
So a couple of arguments to unpack
there are, why are we wasting

835
00:29:51,751 --> 00:29:52,711
resources for construction on more
hotel building?

836
00:29:52,712 --> 00:29:53,926
Why are developers not being
incentivized to build more

837
00:29:53,926 --> 00:29:55,229
housing?
And if you build a hotel, the

838
00:29:55,329 --> 00:29:56,451
hotel is zero housing.

839
00:29:56,551 --> 00:29:57,271
And if you build an apartment

840
00:29:57,271 --> 00:29:58,641
building, the apartment building
could be mixed use of short-term

841
00:29:58,641 --> 00:30:00,980
rentals stroke a hotel offering
principal residence owner occupied

842
00:30:00,980 --> 00:30:03,705
properties and of course there
could be uh sort of there as well

843
00:30:03,705 --> 00:30:07,298
so no hotel offers zero long-term
housing options you nailed it

844
00:30:07,298 --> 00:30:10,959
there is like if the hotels were
forced to convert to long-term

845
00:30:10,859 --> 00:30:13,709
well they couldn't because they
would need extension for

846
00:30:13,709 --> 00:30:17,598
renovations to do it because all
hotels are built with a bed and a

847
00:30:17,598 --> 00:30:21,288
room and, you know, an end table
and some bad coffee.

848
00:30:21,288 --> 00:30:24,033
Have you guys thought about like
kind of outside the box ideas?

849
00:30:23,933 --> 00:30:26,478
Like, for example, only short term
replace in July and August.

850
00:30:26,478 --> 00:30:28,175
They can't do it from September
till June.

851
00:30:28,175 --> 00:30:32,456
Like for a place like Kelowna and
I'm thinking Victoria, I think

852
00:30:32,456 --> 00:30:36,714
something like that would work
because we have university town.

853
00:30:36,814 --> 00:30:39,396
The Airbnbs make most of the money
in the summer anyway.

854
00:30:39,396 --> 00:30:40,998
Have you thought about that at
all?

855
00:30:40,998 --> 00:30:43,915
The simple answer to that is
municipalities liberating the

856
00:30:43,915 --> 00:30:45,480
principal residence cap in those
areas.

857
00:30:45,580 --> 00:30:48,117
So like Playa del Sol, well,
they're not all principal

858
00:30:48,117 --> 00:30:48,317
residence.

859
00:30:48,312 --> 00:30:49,727
Some of those folks don't live

860
00:30:49,727 --> 00:30:49,947
there.

861
00:30:49,947 --> 00:30:50,753
It's their second property.

862
00:30:50,853 --> 00:30:54,640
leading into that, a first step
would be having municipalities

863
00:30:54,860 --> 00:30:58,858
come in line with the liberation
of you can rent out your place for

864
00:30:58,858 --> 00:31:01,305
the days that you don't occupy it,
right?

865
00:31:01,305 --> 00:31:04,860
So six months you're working away,
maybe in the winters for snowbirds

866
00:31:04,980 --> 00:31:08,832
that go down to Arizona, they can
rent out their place short term in

867
00:31:08,932 --> 00:31:09,571
the winters.

868
00:31:09,571 --> 00:31:12,113
You know, that doesn't always work

869
00:31:12,113 --> 00:31:13,547
for all of it.

870
00:31:13,547 --> 00:31:14,680
It wouldn't be a blanket.

871
00:31:14,780 --> 00:31:18,291
I mean, I know you're trying to do
is put it just on tourism.

872
00:31:18,391 --> 00:31:22,683
But there's a need for that
alternate accommodation all year,

873
00:31:22,683 --> 00:31:25,116
right?
Like you said, with the medical, I

874
00:31:25,116 --> 00:31:27,537
mean, I have people here that are
travel nurses.

875
00:31:27,537 --> 00:31:31,903
And I also have people that are
cancer patients, right that are

876
00:31:31,903 --> 00:31:32,986
here for cancer treatment.

877
00:31:32,986 --> 00:31:35,117
And so those contracts and those

878
00:31:35,117 --> 00:31:38,001
doctor's dates, they come at
random at any time of year.

879
00:31:38,001 --> 00:31:41,015
So I think just having the
opportunity or flexibility to do

880
00:31:41,015 --> 00:31:42,737
it in a six-month period would be
great.

881
00:31:42,737 --> 00:31:45,000
That would be a big step forward.

882
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:45,889
How's that?

883
00:31:45,963 --> 00:31:47,445
At least at the municipality
right?

884
00:31:47,445 --> 00:31:47,594
Yeah.

885
00:31:47,594 --> 00:31:49,372
I mean, one thing is last year,

886
00:31:49,372 --> 00:31:52,226
obviously we had some pretty
severe fires in the Okanagan,

887
00:31:52,226 --> 00:31:54,895
displaced lots of families, but
over 100 structures were lost.

888
00:31:54,895 --> 00:31:57,838
It would have been incredibly bad
timing if they implemented this

889
00:31:57,838 --> 00:32:01,950
legislation last year this time,
because where does everyone go

890
00:32:01,950 --> 00:32:04,539
that lost their home?
I still know people that are not

891
00:32:04,539 --> 00:32:07,461
back in their home right now, and
they're staying in this Airbnb.

892
00:32:07,461 --> 00:32:10,434
But since they've been there for
like 100 some odd days,

893
00:32:10,434 --> 00:32:10,962
technically it's okay.

894
00:32:10,962 --> 00:32:12,998
But if that were ever to happen

895
00:32:13,098 --> 00:32:14,355
again, there's no No.

896
00:32:14,355 --> 00:32:17,119
And we just saw that the BC Hotel

897
00:32:17,019 --> 00:32:20,820
Association has worked with the
provincial government to create a

898
00:32:20,820 --> 00:32:22,146
new emergency evacuees portal.

899
00:32:22,146 --> 00:32:25,054
And I believe Kelowna and Dicton

900
00:32:24,954 --> 00:32:28,218
and Prince George can quote me,
but three cities that have had

901
00:32:28,218 --> 00:32:32,308
recent, you know, very devastating
fires are on the list for that.

902
00:32:32,308 --> 00:32:35,755
So instead of, you know, thinking
about all of the accommodations

903
00:32:35,755 --> 00:32:38,365
that could be utilized for people,
because let's be honest, we're in

904
00:32:38,365 --> 00:32:40,591
an emergency, right?
Why are we segmenting out areas

905
00:32:40,591 --> 00:32:44,009
that can't be used?
They're trying to funnel them into

906
00:32:44,009 --> 00:32:44,476
a hotel.

907
00:32:44,476 --> 00:32:48,228
I think about my family of four

908
00:32:48,228 --> 00:32:53,318
with a dog if i lost my house and
i had to go live in a hotel room

909
00:32:53,318 --> 00:32:57,917
with two beds for the next sorry
how long did you say your friend

910
00:32:57,917 --> 00:33:02,880
was there a days just moved back
in i think yeah i'm not sure how

911
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,143
many like breakfast my kids would
want to eat out of coffee mugs you

912
00:33:05,143 --> 00:33:07,460
know like because let's be honest
you're not going to have the

913
00:33:07,940 --> 00:33:08,203
facilities.

914
00:33:08,203 --> 00:33:09,453
It just wouldn't work.

915
00:33:09,453 --> 00:33:10,571
It doesn't make sense.

916
00:33:10,571 --> 00:33:12,791
Hey, if it's a service based

917
00:33:12,691 --> 00:33:15,280
industry and you're not
competitive, you're just not going

918
00:33:15,740 --> 00:33:16,285
to survive.

919
00:33:16,285 --> 00:33:18,400
So I feel like hotels, if they

920
00:33:18,376 --> 00:33:20,373
want to compete, they really need
to up their game.

921
00:33:20,273 --> 00:33:21,135
If that's the case.

922
00:33:21,111 --> 00:33:22,282
And I'm sure we'll see it.

923
00:33:22,258 --> 00:33:24,626
I mean, I think you guys just had
a development application come in

924
00:33:24,626 --> 00:33:26,320
for the Ramada or something that's
in town, right?

925
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:31,336
And right in the application, it
mentions fill the void of the

926
00:33:31,336 --> 00:33:31,687
short-term rentals.

927
00:33:31,687 --> 00:33:33,540
And I think they're planning to

928
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:34,860
build suites in that building.

929
00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:36,797
So conveniently came out, you

930
00:33:36,797 --> 00:33:39,208
know, right as this legislation
was coming in.

931
00:33:39,308 --> 00:33:42,159
The writing is on the wall.

932
00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:45,681
It's hard to talk about, you know,

933
00:33:45,681 --> 00:33:50,110
scandal and tinfoil hat stuff and,
you know, present that out to the

934
00:33:50,110 --> 00:33:50,740
everyday public.

935
00:33:50,740 --> 00:33:53,170
I think the more important thing

936
00:33:53,170 --> 00:33:57,492
is just talking about the impact
that people will feel from this,

937
00:33:57,492 --> 00:34:01,943
not just from a stakeholder, but,
you know, from a guest, right, as

938
00:34:01,943 --> 00:34:04,102
well, trying to figure out where
they're going to go.

939
00:34:04,102 --> 00:34:05,892
And just reminding people that,
you know, you're not staying local

940
00:34:05,993 --> 00:34:07,999
anymore when you're off staying in
a hotel, your money is being

941
00:34:07,999 --> 00:34:12,047
funneled out and to the nether of
public trading and some sort of

942
00:34:12,047 --> 00:34:13,511
corporate entity that's probably
overseas, right?

943
00:34:13,511 --> 00:34:15,860
Well, we should get to our wrap up
questions.

944
00:34:15,860 --> 00:34:18,929
And this is kind of a funny one to
start with.

945
00:34:18,929 --> 00:34:23,380
If you could buy one property in
the Okanagan in the next 12

946
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,156
months, what would it be?
I think a Malibu Wake Center is Is

947
00:34:27,156 --> 00:34:28,380
that qualified as a quarantine
boat maybe?

948
00:34:28,380 --> 00:34:31,525
At least I can use it and rent it
out.

949
00:34:31,525 --> 00:34:32,043
That's a good answer.

950
00:34:32,043 --> 00:34:33,666
I love the Okanagan.

951
00:34:33,766 --> 00:34:37,370
How about, you know, a place up in
Big White would be nice, right?

952
00:34:37,370 --> 00:34:39,437
Because they're exempt, I believe.

953
00:34:39,536 --> 00:34:40,251
So that's true.

954
00:34:40,251 --> 00:34:40,940
now, fingers crossed.

955
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,333
Yeah, for now, right?

956
00:34:42,333 --> 00:34:43,630
You have exemptions.

957
00:34:43,630 --> 00:34:45,384
Exemptions should be considered

958
00:34:45,384 --> 00:34:46,628
for other areas.

959
00:34:46,527 --> 00:34:46,757
right.

960
00:34:46,757 --> 00:34:51,376
If you could tell your tell your
20 year old self any piece of

961
00:34:51,376 --> 00:34:54,820
advice what would you tell
yourself know that's always the

962
00:34:54,820 --> 00:34:59,129
magic question i got in trouble
lots when i was a kid but i was

963
00:34:59,129 --> 00:35:04,451
smart and i saved some money about
real estate in my mid-20s if i was

964
00:35:04,451 --> 00:35:08,291
20 what would i tell myself don't
mess up your driver's license oh

965
00:35:08,391 --> 00:35:10,261
yeah yeah don't drink and be Be
smart.

966
00:35:10,261 --> 00:35:12,739
Yeah, that is quality advice,
dude.

967
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:12,844
Yeah.

968
00:35:12,844 --> 00:35:14,073
Because that will haunt you for

969
00:35:14,073 --> 00:35:16,257
the rest of your life, right?
Yeah.

970
00:35:16,257 --> 00:35:20,647
What's your favorite charity or
how do you give back?

971
00:35:20,547 --> 00:35:22,194
Yeah, that's a great question.

972
00:35:22,194 --> 00:35:24,480
I don't have a specific charity

973
00:35:24,580 --> 00:35:28,793
that I like contribute to, but I
consider my time valuable and, you

974
00:35:28,793 --> 00:35:31,546
know, what my ups and downs that
I've learned in life.

975
00:35:31,446 --> 00:35:34,159
And so just giving time to people
to have a conversation, especially

976
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:36,515
younger generations, right?
Like when I meet people that are,

977
00:35:36,515 --> 00:35:40,033
you know, five or 10 years younger
me or 20 year old, right.

978
00:35:40,033 --> 00:35:43,239
And just having some smart
conversation with them and just

979
00:35:43,139 --> 00:35:45,961
giving them a moment or even
letting them, you know, give them

980
00:35:45,961 --> 00:35:47,652
your number and feel free to reach
out anytime.

981
00:35:47,652 --> 00:35:50,470
And yeah, so I guess my charity
would just be my time.

982
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:53,446
And that doesn't mean for younger,
even older folks, you know, like

983
00:35:53,446 --> 00:35:56,820
you see someone that just needs
help and just help them across the

984
00:35:56,820 --> 00:35:57,069
street.

985
00:35:57,069 --> 00:35:59,891
I know that's a cliche of like an

986
00:35:59,891 --> 00:36:03,294
older, you know, but even just
talking to senior citizens and

987
00:36:03,294 --> 00:36:05,667
whatever, giving some business
advice to someone that's not doing

988
00:36:05,567 --> 00:36:07,252
so well or lending some bit of
money.

989
00:36:07,352 --> 00:36:11,629
You know, like I think there's
just so many ways to give back and

990
00:36:11,629 --> 00:36:14,857
people underestimate what they can
do just with 15 minutes to an hour

991
00:36:14,851 --> 00:36:17,418
of their time, you know, a day or
a couple of I love it.

992
00:36:17,418 --> 00:36:18,394
All right.

993
00:36:18,394 --> 00:36:19,855
How can Taylor or I or our

994
00:36:19,755 --> 00:36:22,193
listener help you?
What do you want us to do?

995
00:36:22,193 --> 00:36:24,446
Like, is there anything that
should be Yeah.

996
00:36:24,446 --> 00:36:28,390
I mean, you know, right now we've
got two entities going on.

997
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:30,705
We've got the Property Rights
Association of BC.

998
00:36:30,605 --> 00:36:35,217
You can head over to that website,
you know, learn about our

999
00:36:35,117 --> 00:36:35,293
association.

1000
00:36:35,293 --> 00:36:38,600
You can sign up for a membership

1001
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,686
there if you feel that you want to
contribute to this and get

1002
00:36:42,686 --> 00:36:42,995
involved.

1003
00:36:42,995 --> 00:36:44,605
Financially, we're trying to be

1004
00:36:44,505 --> 00:36:47,652
forging the path and a pioneer
with an association that's really

1005
00:36:47,652 --> 00:36:50,864
looking out for people that care
about their property rights in BC.

1006
00:36:50,864 --> 00:36:53,199
And that's what we're fighting for
on one aspect.

1007
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:54,461
Short-term rentals is a focus
today.

1008
00:36:54,461 --> 00:36:56,796
But we could be talking about
something different tomorrow.

1009
00:36:56,796 --> 00:36:59,447
We've also created a public
campaign or a public facing entity

1010
00:36:59,447 --> 00:37:01,075
called the BC Short-Term Rental
Association.

1011
00:37:01,075 --> 00:37:03,792
This is what I was talking about
before.

1012
00:37:03,792 --> 00:37:06,765
Go over to bcstra.ca and just
check that out.

1013
00:37:06,765 --> 00:37:09,575
And that's just our, you know,
trying to change the narrative and

1014
00:37:09,575 --> 00:37:11,909
educate people on why short-term
rentals are important and just

1015
00:37:11,909 --> 00:37:15,901
kind of promote the industry and
be an advocate, you know, for the

1016
00:37:15,901 --> 00:37:16,807
industry across the province.

1017
00:37:16,807 --> 00:37:17,665
Well, thank you for your time.

1018
00:37:17,665 --> 00:37:19,096
And thank you so much for what
you're doing.

1019
00:37:19,096 --> 00:37:20,693
Cause yeah, I'm glad you're
fighting this battle.

1020
00:37:20,693 --> 00:37:23,599
I would not be the perfect person
to do it.

1021
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:27,818
I'd be kicking and screaming the
whole way and doesn't get things

1022
00:37:27,818 --> 00:37:28,178
done.

1023
00:37:28,178 --> 00:37:30,153
So that was ups and downs, right?

1024
00:37:30,153 --> 00:37:32,554
It's very emotional for a lot of
people.

1025
00:37:32,654 --> 00:37:34,958
I think, you know, I could tell
anybody anything like finances and

1026
00:37:34,958 --> 00:37:37,543
real estate and, you know, when
times get tough, it's hard on your

1027
00:37:37,542 --> 00:37:37,940
family.

1028
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:40,140
It's hard on your loved ones.

1029
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,795
And, you know, try and just
remember that like the sun is

1030
00:37:43,795 --> 00:37:45,725
shining and try and stay positive
about it.

1031
00:37:45,725 --> 00:37:47,065
And remember, real estate should
have a long horizon, right?

1032
00:37:47,065 --> 00:37:50,391
Like very much investing for two,
five, 10 year plans and able to

1033
00:37:50,391 --> 00:37:51,729
accommodate ups and downs in
between.

1034
00:37:51,729 --> 00:37:52,221
Right.

1035
00:37:52,221 --> 00:37:52,784
For Agreed.

1036
00:37:52,784 --> 00:37:53,136
thanks a Ryan.

1037
00:37:53,136 --> 00:37:53,840
Yeah, lot, no worries.

1038
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:54,136
Yeah,