10 Dozen Roses

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jay dot Ill a production of I Heart Radio. I don't like when the young girls come from the whole girl cello, everybody violin. This is Jill Scott, A k A. What it was the one I called myself? Oh? My mother calls me, Oh, I can't say that. Oh it's terrible. My mother calls me lussy. It's like awful, what a name? Why would you do that with an end with an end, nussy nussy. Well, it's just I don't like it. I never liked it. I was like, don't call me missy. But however, I always feel warm she when she does, because it's a mother it's a mother name, and Lissy sounds like it would be warm because it's so close to you know. Yeah, I'm here right here in my missy, please just right on a see, get all the way up in the nusty park. I am here with my sister friends Joe Scott by the way, and I'm here with my sisters and my friends. Okay, see sisters and friends. I need you to be really clear that the yeah, we talk on this podcast, and that's that's cool. You know what I'm saying. Real cool. It's it's a pleasure to be able to share thoughts and ideas with all of you. Um, but we also talk off this off this uh this computer. We also talk on the phone. Um. We also make it a point to find out what the fuck is going on? Right. This is good, baby, real good. Some of us in the middle and that's not bad, and some of it is fucked. And we just try to talk our way through it, figure it out, pray about it, laugh about it each other sometimes bitch if you don't. She texts that, y'all. Yeah, she texts that sound all the things. So, yeah, we're here, We are right here. I'm here with Layah st Clair. Shout out to the ancestors, because that's what I do. Come one, okay, okay, okay okay, and the lovely aga grad and dance like I don't have anything clever to say. You always do. I don't, She said, Cello violent. I'm gonna say with viola upright base to everyone. Yeah, I like that. I really like the upright base. Everybody. Oh yeah, we are here, and we are here because some he gave it damn about us. Feel somebody climbed up a tree and jumped off a limb and blew so that we can too. Yeah, that was like pretty It wasn't. I didn't know the way they came from. But because it's literal and it's figurative, you know what I'm saying at the same time, Yeah, because I see it out on a limb, no other choice but to fly. You're either gonna fall, You're gonna fly, because every limb gets weaker the closer you get to that, and you won't have no other choice the closer you get to the sky. They but you needed a foundation to build on take it to that sky. I don't know, just saying, damn straight, Okay, that tree trunk didn't grow by itself. You know what I'm saying. Hello, we're over here, mad backs like cheerleaders, bigger, we're what are you talking about? We're talking about you really do I know you do? We're talking about all of the feet we walk on. Okay, A picture yourself, a two year old, eleven month old with somebody with their feet underneath you, teaching you how to walk, and you're holding their hands. Yeah, that's what we're talking about. And it happens all the time, all the time. You are not anywhere near where you are or where you are if you wouldn't be if there wasn't for somebody who helped to guide you along the way right. And it may not be somebody you know, and maybe somebody that you watch, you watch you read. Yes, hello, Oprah, thank you, you don't look for me. It has really been Jake California Cooper. Once I found her, I found her in college. Once I found her, I was like, wait a minute, this woman, this woman, she has the ability to to paint a story so well that you you can feel the fabrics. You can you can smell the onions in the in the garlic cooking in the other room, not not next to it, but the boom after that, you know, because the air has white thing down the hall. You can smell that it ain't all up in your nose in a way that that is aggressive. But this, this is like somewhere else to go. She paints these sudden so many places to go. I love that about her, the humanity and that writing. And I continue to read her books. I read her books over and over and over because she reminds me of my humanity. That I'm not supposed to be perfect, that that what did I wrote recently about her, and I was like, she writes sin like rain. Either you can cool off or you can drown in it. But that's just how it goes. This is life. Yeah, if it wasn't for Jay California Cooper, I would have never been able to to write he loves me in a way that was sent to as sensitive, like I I love her. I invited her to see me um or to meet I wanted to meet her. I was performing at Carnegie Hall, and I got her first class ticket and I got her suite and I got her car service. This is a little lady, you know, she's little, and I invited her and I just did it, I you know, because she she was like, I didn't know, I don't know if I can come. I'm old that's what she seen. And she did come, and all I could do was just cry, like I just was so happy to shake her hand, you know, out of respect and to hug her, you know, like, oh, I know that everybody doesn't get those exact opportunities. Yeah, There's been a lot of people along the way that have shown like shared light, convinced you of like convinced you and me, you know, and this is what we're talking about. We're talking about the people that come before us that open these damn doors, that kicked these windows open, that that burst through through what was and and came out fresh and started something new. That's what we're talking about right now, giving praise and respect this too. I don't know what's happening with the young jewels. What y'all interesting was deeply interesting is that. Okay, so we have these moments and these women that we hold in our hearts so dear, and the opportunities that we've had to interact with them or not right, but now we're moving into a stage of our lives where you know, we ain't too old to do nothing. But we all we all discussed this. We're at the point in our lives and we know what the funk we're talking about. Like it's like I said what I said, and it's I said what I said. Of it all that I think then becomes a challenge here here and now where it's like, hmmmm, do people believe that what you said is what you said? You know what I mean? Do you hold that saying? Are you feeling revered in those ways? Have you have you earned the reference? You know what I'm saying like, so as we look at the women that we know that we revered, that we hold up, that we talked to, that we that we would love to talk to, that we you know, this kind of thing. The hope that that's gonna happen as things go forward for us, as we grow older and we become more wise, that you know out in the world is starting to look like that may not happen because I don't know, like the different they have different I have my my theories. I do you have intel agent? You should really have? I do I have intel some but I have my theories about it. But I think more than my theories, I have to go by the testimonials. Right, A lot of young women feel undermined. It not respected, not cared for, talked about, looked at as a joke, judged. You know, there's a lot of negative feeling. Why is everyone looking confused? And I'm looking confused because it sound like the definition of a young woman. Oh, I mean, weren't we all that way at a point? Like I mean, when you're a certain age and you feel like you should be respected, but you ain't getting nothing. So the eldest we put you in you want to joint like it's just an ever going cycle. So you think that you had an expectation of respect, because I think that they did not know. So I think that there is a difference in the sense of that we didn't have necessarily an expectation to be respected, but then also we endured some abuse behind that. Also. All I can hear right now is is, Mama, everybody is wearing the hair and the afro. That's what I hear. I hear that. What's that mean? Because you know they don't the babies don't know what you're talking. It just means that at a certain point, you know, you have like to to what life is saying that young people, you know, they're not quite they're not quite grown right next very experience experience seasoned if you will, um so and and looking back at my mother's time, it's blaming to her mother that everybody was wearing an a throw you know, that kind of thing where they were looking at their children. Like I remember when I had all ripped jeans. My grandmother was like, big up a nice pair of don't you see what I'm saying? Like that there, we're not quite at the time, I'm putting me in there because I remember what this felt like, we're not quite grown enough. So the people that were grown truly authentically through through time, um, and it kind of clowned us a little bit. Yeah, but I feel like that's a very to me. I feel like that's an understandable growing pain like this in terms of just like a difference in generation. I guess really what I'm talking about is like there's that there's something a little bit more harmful. So there's another disconnect there that is that we're not benefiting from generational wisdom because there's something they're blocking that process from happening. And I think that mead we as a group have ushered in, you know, some changes around like how we gently correct elders who are actually not right. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So I think that we're one of the first generations to really get into like what does that look like. I mean, it's probably before us because they were really fighting the good fight. They were really you know, they had the seventies and the sixties and the eighties right as adults, well, yeah, as adults, So they experienced three decades of major change around things like how do you talk to your elders. How do you discuss things with people when things are happening that are outdated, that they don't understand that the outdated ways of thinking are moving forward. I say all this to say right that there's a fine line between respecting a work that came before you and holding the space for your own evolutionary and revolutionary thinking. Yes, yes, all due respect, with all due respect that it comes with disrespects. So how do we do this? How do we fix this? Like? What are we doing? How are we getting around this? Because it's showing up out in popular culture? More real talk after the break. I'm gonna shout out Willow and Gilly the Kid because they seem to really support young people in their dreams and and share, um what they've been doing. Um they give them, they open their platform for it all the time. They speak to um you know, I guess big celebrity kind of people and artists, and that's really great. But they also are talking to the youth, and I think, um, at some point I've met herd Gilly mentioned that you have to stay speaking to the youth. You talk about that too, agent that you have to you know, stay grounded and what they're doing because they literally are the future. Just because you're an adult doesn't mean that you know, life just continues the way that you've been living. You know it's going to expand as you go along. That we're learning something new. That's how funny you say that, because Gilly, I remember, like a few weeks ago, there was a situation which seems to be ending about young people reinventing history right based on what they know and if they say it's right, right, do you remember this? Agent Okay, And there was a situation where a young person decided that Gilly was talking shot and he had never really written anything for a little way, and he had never done all these things. Gilly is truly just the person that you see on this podcast because he didn't know the history of what he has done, and we landed him even in position to be on the y. So yes, so see now we're cooking. Now, we're cooking now because they're still even talking to these young people. So that's the thing, right, So respect can't exist if you don't know the history, right and and but see now we're we're becoming we we are we are maybe the first generation of people who will come into their eldership with the generation that truly is not being taught their history in multiple ways. So it's not like we didn't It's not like we didn't keep certain his he's kept from us, But there was a lot of oral history that we um that we had, you know, if we understood you know that kind of you know what I'm saying, who were the great swore? Right? Who are the greats? Right? Because I never one time and this is going to feel a little random, but I feel like we're gonna have a gen X moment right now. Okay, okay, let's get it. So I was on on the people's Facebook a few years ago and um, and Donnie the singer Donnie, they are right. He's like, we are living amongst people, young people who don't know who feel as dealers. And when he said this, it was like it immediately touched me in a place because I realized something about being a late seventies early eighties baby is that there was a lot of exposure not only to youth culture, but also to legendary culture, like who were the legendary comedians, who were the legendary actors and actresses and the you know what I'm saying the Nicholas Brothers and the stread up stairs, and the this and the and the music that was in the house was the music that your parents listened to, and you couldn't have nothing to do with that. It was just gonna play and you was gonna gay and you didn't always have access to your own personal like space to where you can curate everything that you were listening to and watching. So when one of the great things is that our kids can actually have the opportunity to be exposed to more, but because they can curate it themselves, then they may not get that. So now we're getting some young adults who would actually walk up on a wallow and say, well, what have you done again? What musical history? So you're gonna have a person going to roll up on somebody and started talking to Yang Yang and they don't know what they're talking about, right, And and that's that's the part I feel like one of the elements and it's been elements even a popular podcast where for a couple of weeks the podcast we're talking about how the old heads and hip hop aren't shipped to the young people, like they're not passing. There ain't nothing they but some bullshit and the dusty thank you that that they was looking dusty, that's what it was. I'm like, okay, listen, let me tell you something. Okay, but see also too, I felt that it's it's interesting. Okay, I don't want to go to off subject, but that whole thing where you had a whole bunch of old school folks jump in and chime in on that, right when part of the part of what was said originally was like, these people look like they don't have money. Okay, so that was part of the the original sin of the comment. Hell yeah, but then you have and this is something that we have to take responsible ability for as gen xers and our obsession with entrepreneurship, right, we have monetized our culture in such a way that we've also created kind of capitalistic environment to where the people who did create our ship are maybe living in squalor actually be the funk dusty and might actually have a moment experience in their life where they are not publicly revered, so they lose the history and we are a part of the generation that stole from itself yea, and they're just being able to tour again that generation that wasn't even our hip hop generation necessarily, and the last ten years they've been able to monetize that music from thirty years ago. And because be clear, is gonna sack subject of the matter. The subject of the matter is at any time those people back then, they were bawling. They were doing just great. They had hit after hit. They were worry Maybe it was on the Chicklan circuit for some places, but they were working just like you're working, and that what they were making. Then they the fight just to get you paid. M hmm. The fight just to get you paid is now turned into streaming would sling? Don't forget we had an area in our lifetimes we're sampling was created and that was a that was a whole beef at the problem. We had to come back and get checked, but we got checked as a generation exact people came back and said, you're not going to take my my music and not pay me. Absolutely in a right and obviously it affected the ways in which certain producers could be creative after that, But the truth of the matter is you had to show improved. So that's that. But the same clearing samples because of all the people that were sued before boop boop, sorry exactly that sampling that sampler era wasn't no more joke. The thing that cracks me up is that if everything, if the lips for everything, is about how successful, how much money you make, It's just like, sis, are you serious? Like you're getting paid? You getting paid a quarter of a cent. I started out and we all are now starting out at a quarter of a cent. So that my first album sold for eighteen ninety nine, So let's not But I'm just saying, like, let's not have this discussion. I own my publishing. You in the three sixty. Who the funk you're talking to? I like it when you sound like that eight And honestly, I want to put this out here, like my experiences with young women are actually pretty freaking phenomenal. Like I will not even in front with you, like I have such admiration for young women. And when I say young women, I'm talking about seventeen eighteen up until like I don't know, I guess a young woman to be be ten years younger than me, So thirty four, mm hmm, so eighteen the thirty four. My experience is with these women are phenomenal. So want to start there. But I'm saying there is a group that don't be knowing what you're talking about, and you don't know the history of how these things went and the history of the industry in particular, because I feel like there's a lot of very very ignorant as people out here to do not understand the history of the music business. You haven't done your homework, and so when you talk about how money is made and how things are done, it's fine, too fit to look at what's currently the ways in which people make money. That's fine, And we can all learn from each other because you're you're living in in an era that you don't know any different this is. You're coming into it with it as a baseline, So I have something to truly learn from you in this moment. But not understand the history of the other industry will help you to not see that this is just a new form of the same old manipulation, the same old steam, same old trash. Yeah, and why they up blaming the people who created it. You want to tell me I'm just not fast enough or just against each other, remember that because I only be one at a time. Listen to Jail literally just talked to Millie Jackson not too long ago, and she was talking about that. I said, because these ladies back in the day, they didn't really have a lot of girlfriends in the sister circle. Maybe one of the Millie Jackson was like listening. I had to stop a reading in the hallway one day and be like this, you're gonna speak to me today. It's the competition was real, the isolation orchestrated. It was orchestrated orchestrated back then. Now that's why it's so. I mean not to name Next, but I just think it's dope when people like you know, Next, Stallon and the rest of them give props to like the women that came before them, do records with these women. You know what I mean. But there are certain people that you know, I mentioned it to you. I like it when they do records with each other at the end of the day. Yeah, and I've said this many times before. I was just like the young girlies would jump on a record with each other and two in two seconds. And I'm sorry when we first started out, you did not see that, you know, I haven't. I'm trying to think, like if I if I do a song, like if I do a song with another woman, then I have to be doing something completely different than another woman. That's just in my head. That's that sounds like that old kind of thing that's kind of been knocked in your head. I think this is from a creative standpoint, and she wants to have diversity in the in that creative moment, there's nobody that sounds like Jill Scott. Though not at all so that I'm saying. But but you know, that's the way that I've seen it. Like if I that's that old, if I you know what a shock Now, I didn't say that SHOCKA was this SHOCKA tell similar stories even though she had babies, though she had Martha washed babies, you know what I mean? Like she had best of babies, but how many shocker duets? Right? Right? But see that's the thing is that see that that that there is like I said, we had we have respect, but we also suffered. We respected our elders, but they also kind of treated us a little shitty too and kind of gave a shitty blue print. But they didn't know no better. And I also feel like that is a rite of passage, is it? I probably feel like I told y'all. Aretha Franklin sent me to the corner to get some hot dogs, and I went, but I was nominated for grand needs, and I went to the corner and I got us some hot dogs. And I don't know that I won't with that Jill, I wouldn't be I don't I don't think I would have gone to I would have gone. And that's the part that we don't know. If she could have asked anybody else, No, she kissing, yo bitch asked because that's her old man. Yeah, I mean, y'all, y'all, it's it's kind of I'm proud of it. I'm happy to have had these experiences because it's a right. It's like a writer Path said, I'm not saying you get to treat me bad. I'm just saying that I'm not mad at my experience with the greats. You know, some of them were really freaking cool. Meeting Tina Marie, I was singing love about North Philly. I rewrote forth through love and and I didn't know she was in the crowd. No off soth love. I came to bring it, came and bring it, bring it to you. They She's notoriously kind though she was so awesome. I mean, so it's Patty, but it's yeah, So it's yes. But again it's a difference between you and Gladdy's and Patty. You know what I'm saying, Like it's Gladdy, It's still there, you know, Gladys and Patty do we The first versus was the first time I said, Wow, we're gonna take a quick break and then we'll be right back. But I just want to go back to this. So there is something, there is a way in which young women are evolving beyond us as it pertains to sisterhood. Is this part of the reason why there's a bit of a disconnect If they see they see the kink in the armor, and maybe they feel like they want to say something about it, or maybe they you know, I don't know. I'm just I'm playing the other Still, it's still it's a It's not a black I'm gray in there. Man. It's a lot of great you know. Okay, So I don't know if you played this at the top of the show or not, but I just got to bring it up. So I follow her clear trapper on I g and she talked about this whole thing. We're like Why is it that this is not my opinion as hers? Why is it that when you do when young women do come and older women, it's not on the point or the thing that they did, they mediately want to be like be you oh, or you irrelevant, or you so and so and something. You know what I'm saying. Why you gotta come at my age like you? That's the things that everybody has, right if I'm if I'm slow, if I'm not on my game, if something's particularly wrong with what I did or said, okay, beat, But why would you come at that like it's that's bad karma. I don't even know why you want to do that. When you gotta get old, and that's bad karma. You're gonna age bad, gonna say, and that's real. That's asked too. It's gonna happen. It's gonna double size like this happens to Aha. It happens all the things, all the things. So it's I think it's really important to be mindful of that. Now. Listen, I performed at the White House, um a reath Franklin in wonder air condition. Well, this the queen is so okay. This is how much reverence that was had for Aretha Franklin, the President of the United States, was like, Nah, if Miss Aretha Franklin doesn't want air condition, we're not going to have air condition. Everybody in the joint was soaking wet, wild. I would have respected the person who cut the air. That's too far. I get you, I'll get you, the hot dog bitch, turn on the air. That ain't right. All of us up in here suffered. Everybody, everybody, and you know, every woman in their head on a pair of banks. I for one, I for one. Couches were couches, were steam cooking. Dear me, under wigs, baby under titties. That's that's that's far. Let's be clear, that's not even what we're asking for. Because there is a use of hour. Yes, yes, there is an abuse of power. Don't do that. You have to humble yourself to also know that as much as you have accomplished, there are people that not only are better than you say it, um, but they've also studied you and have added something two, taking a piece of something that you do and added a few more things to it, and have created something else. Only some cocky bag because a lot of the old girlies really kind of can't get out their own head. Like these girls have had you as an example, a honey, Like they they're evolving, Like give them some love for their evolution. Like they're evolving a thing that ye, okay, you created and or you are a part of creating. But like, I don't know. Sometimes I think there's an energy in general with women where it's just like we got this little like timer, and everybody feels like they got only this little bit of time in this business, especially right Like it's a timer. So as soon as you feel like that timer is almost up, then it's like now it's time to get on the defensive or something like. It's just very odd to me. But that's why I was, like you talked about Flowers Earliers, very California, Cooper, what I love you know Tony Morrison from me. And I'm gonna say, I'm gonna separate her work in this moment. I'm just going to look at her life trajectory. Okay, her work, obviously she's a genius. We're gonna set that and we're gonna gonna put a little pen in it. Her life trajectory was and here she was a woman who was able to create a space in corporate America, but still flex her creativity. And as soon as she got into a position of power, what she did was empower an entire group of young for thinking, brilliant academics and activists with opportunities and then publish their work. M So before she goes and this is all before she writes her first novel. So we're talking about a person who was able to insert their actual power as a young person, okay, to empower other young people, so her peers, her peers who are doing other work, and then preserve herself and pour into herself later on on the line to become a creative powerhouse. And she had two little boys, a boy her own self. So I just look at that and I think to myself, like, okay, see, this is what we're talking about here is creating opportunity, being not afraid to see and acknowledge genius and not only your peers but those who are who who you mentor right, and just to have the same that the kind of confidence and that you have time. Because there's no way that Tony Morrison was on a timer. Come on, you want your first now? You were forty plus years old when you did that you see are you here? And next? Are you? Are you? She didn't hear no clock ticking, so it's no need for her to come at the young girls, because why my clock is not ticking? What is where is the fear coming from? It is coming from, you know, not being attractive anymore? Like what you're you, mama, like you're you? So I'm not quite sure I understand that. And you remember how you look when you were twenty two as twenty. I don't care what you do. Twenty is always gonna be us, It's all I'm saying. Always, I'll give how good you aging? And I love us and we're amazing. And yes, the blacks don't crack it, but baby, the black it don't crack it, but it does crea and that's and that's a beautiful thing too, Like, yeah, I get it, I get it. I'm hoping that you get it. That that that the older girls, you know, the ones you accomplish girls, Um that you find uh that you open the door, open the door, let somebody in, Um you find somebody amazing. I tend to do this a lot. I don't. I don't you know, nobody notices what they don't say. Anything about it. But you know, I don't find people that are dope at fuck and be like yo, they don't. I say, I do that a lot, and I like it. I always feel better after, you know what I mean. I like that feeling like I like, I like what she did there. I like what he did there, Like putting people on the dope people in dope things. Yes, it's you know, opening the door for somebody else. Like I don't know if I'm opening the door. I'm just saying that's good, you know. I like that. I just feel like proximity in general is okay. I think a lot of times there's a sense that you mean, I gotta go outside. No no, no, no, gotta go outside. No no no. I just meant that a lot of times. I think what makes mentorship difficult, or even just friendship or even just kind of just being around as general kind of you know, person to be there as someone who's like a person could copy their trajectory, is that proximity gets weird sometimes with people. I think where it's just like, like I said, like, how much do I give of myself in this moment? How much like when you talked about that whole moment where you're saying, it's a rite of passage, right, So how much? And then we talked about we talked with Nina too when she said some things you just gotta start, like I can't baby you right through the process, Like you have to live in this process yourself. And that's that's part of what made me me, was that I did certain things and I showed that tenacity and did the things that needed to be done right. And so I do think there's sometimes with with youth, it can be a bit of a Missican communication with that, like Jill will say, like Jill would have every reason in the world to give somebody this advice. I don't know if you ever have, but I've I've heard your story many times, and I feel like I think this is like legit. Okay, how miss Jill um, if I really wanted to get in um, you know, involved in in theater and music, like, how would I do it? And you said, oh girl, go clean the toilet. I was. I shined them floors. You feel me? Right? Yeah, So just as that person would have to kind of say, be able to and take that, I feel like maybe we should also be able to understand that that was the type of sacrifice that you had to make released on the time period in which you had to come into your woman nous that full its is you gotta get up and make content every day. Sis. Now, this part is tough because I really feel as an actor that you know, an actor who's continuously trying to get better at this thing. But I really feel like that time was super valuable. All the things that I learned, Um, the moment when I had to stand up for myself, the moment when I had to eat humble pie, you know, Um, the exhaustion and learning through exhaustion, Like all of those things I would equate to, you know, Beyonce's dad having her running heels, Like the preparation for the thing is what I'm talking about. And the humility of having to you know, clean them damn toilets, you know, and then get the tickets and then go to the class after that. Like there's a certain humility that's involved in it. And I think that that might be a big portion of what's missing. Because you can just and I don't mean to be disrespectful at all when I say this, but because you can just sing a song on TikTok or on YouTube or on Instagram. You can create a whole bunch of followers and um, get a career out of it. Like, get a whole career out of it. Man, you're so lucky. You're lucky girl. That's how I feel about podcast. Asked them with radio, so you could just radio show. You ain't got to do the college, the internships, none of those. Just start talking. Nobody tell you that you got a minute to get it out. Nothing, You just tell all the stories. Go ahead. Wow, there's kind of I mean, it is amazing. But I just think that there's a part of the writer passage that's fair. I know content creators, and I'm just gonna tell y'all like there's a grind involved with Oh I wasn't. I wasn't say. I'm just like, it is not singing. That content is creating new content on a daily basis and a way to be interesting. That's a lot of work. And that's probably why I don't do that work, Like I feel like that's for somebody else. I do other work. It's a lot. And I'm separating with my point from what Jill was saying because I talk about podcasting because in the in the process of podcasts and becoming popular, black radio has kind of been killed. So just me as timing like a victim, you know, going to school for this thing my whole life. But I'm happy. I'm happy that everybody can get to this medium easier differently, and whatever else polically correct you need me to say, and not sound like a bitter black radio person, because I really loved black radio and I'm just saying that for someone. Let's pull somebody out of nineteen sixty two and put them in today, and they're probably like, wait a minute, Oh it's easy ship, right, we got yeah, you're right now. Somebody from two Wait a minute, you can walk in the front door. You could just drink, you just right, you can just drink. You don't have to go down in the truck all the way and then climb out and then go go down into the valley and go behind in the fifth tree to get a bucket of moon shine that you gotta bring back up and then hope you don't get caught on the and you know, and the truck on the on the road by the police because moonshine or get you in life in prison. I'm just saying that I respected too that it's easier for them so they don't necessarily have to do the things that we've done yet and still but easier, easier in terms of not having to do the grind the same grind you had so many different. Easier in general, just easier as it pertains to what your particular the story is. They didn't have to do that thing, but they have to do another thing that maybe you don't have the wherewith all followers to followers don't drop out the sky, no understand it's assisted and do things in order for that to happen that wass don't just happen ag. I know some of our some of our listeners though, because we have a wide range of age ranges that listen to this show. Sometimes that is the perception I understand of the elders of the elders, and that people do anything for followers, when that's not also the true either. Some of the more established and very well rounded creators who have the high level partnerships with corporations that make good money are making content that is not based around doing just any old thing for like and that is the truth. Yeah. I miss black Radio, Oh just the time more conversation after the break. This is the part about getting older. Yeah, because we did have to do not just us, because I keep saying we, and that's I just mean any generation that is older than you, That's what I really mean. I'm not you know, yeah, any generation that's older than you. You know, they've really had to put in a lot of effort for you to do all the things that you're doing, all the things that you're doing. So it seems to be giving your opinion. They've been giving your opinions, even giving your opinion arriving in this place that we can deal with trauma, arrive what like a lot of people had to hurt, back, suck down venom and still achieved everything in a broad stroke so that you can benefit. Can I just say in this moment, I just want to shout out the living legends. I literally went to an event a couple of weeks ago for the living legends, the black living legends in this music industry because nobody ever thinks about they, or folks, the folks that were in the record company throughout all the departments through it. Now aged that's a show I want to see. That's that's a show I want to see but maybe because I'm you know, coming from this place where I admire so many people that have come before me, Like think about Team to Turner, Just think about Oh, I don't want the mud and the muck that she had to come through, okay, just to be filling out stadiums around the world again and again and like wow, I'm okay. Do you know what I would like to see the show there? You honor someone before you, but you don't honor them by playing their music. You honor them by playing music that has been infused with them or inspired by them, the next generation of what they can't what they offered. It's a TV show, Joe, I know, I would much prefer to see that because it's cool to have Anderson Pack playing you know, is it the way like that sounds like I just spent on it. I want to hear the Anderson Pack spin on it. I want to hear him. Where would the influence be, you know, like with with Glady's Night, that tone, that richness, that um, those wonderful stories, beautiful stories like oh and and her brother's you know, she's She's got Gladys Knight and the Pips and I called my my background singers the pipes. You know, it's for it's for a reason. It's an homage to Gladys Knight and the Pips. I believe in that. I believe that there there's a place for homage and respect. I do. But I think it goes back to what we talked about earlier, which is which is knowing history right. Knowing the history gives you an opportunity to have the humility which then you know, gives the respect. I was like, if you don't know from if you don't know the history, it's gonna be a hard time. I'm gonna say this to you, guys um as a person who makes music, right, but who has a very very niche audience, right. It has always been something It's something I've thought about over the years, like about the idea of how would one be remembered right? How would one feel if your story, if all, if at all, was worthy of telling, you know, in terms of the history of a thing, right, And I do wonder about that in terms of and so that's why in many ways I do feel like it's important to pour into young people. Can't count on people to tell your story they and this has happened to us as it grew. Many times people will leave you out. They will and yes this is Shade miss pronounce your name. They act like you weren't there. They did put that episode out, y'all that, so you know, they will also tell a whole ful outlies something that didn't even happen. So I think it's really important that if you want the history to be told, that you're intentional about telling the history and making sure that young people know it. They're not gonna get it from anyone other than you. Right if you keep if we keep allowing or expecting the world to tell them, then we're gonna keep having that situation with Gilly. It's like, you have to tell your story. And imagine if at the top of that podcast that there was a little voiceover that said that talked about the host of that show, where they came from, and what they did, so that anyone who listened to that podcast will have to hear that. And I'm not telling us to do that, let me assert that, let me not listen. I don't want to go there. I'm just saying, but just think about just the the individual way that we interact with people to be in the habit of telling. And I know Laia is this type of person absolutely because I witness her do too. Layah will take every opportunity when communicating with others to make sure they know the history. So if you're listening to this podcast and you are a woman of a significant age, you make sure that the young women around you, the young girls around you, they know who they came from. They know these women's names, so it becomes like second nature. They're not gonna learn it in school. They're not going to because that's we didn't learn it in school, you know what I'm saying. And the media is more and more and more and more and more cultivated in a way that's very individual, so we can count on media to tell them. We have to be a part of the oral tradition that says we have to make sure that we're respected, loved, revered, and that those histories are known. Because I was here maybe black, yes, ugly, go ahead, my dear god, I'm here here. Oh h thank you so much, Thank you so much for listening to Jay dot Ilga podcast. It is really a pleasure. I learned something every time I talked to you women, every time, every time, every time like, oh, this is why, Oh I've been holding on. Oh I love y'all. I love you too, I do. I love y'all. I want to shout out to Jean carn I run into all the time at where in Philly? She was a Philly Yes, I know that, but where are you? She's a West Philly girl at the co op. Yeah, she's always telling me, like she told me one time about how to high vegetables in the smoothies for the kids. Yeah, and um yeah, she's always super supportive and kind and loving. Wow, that's so crazy. Her unsung is aeron tonight as we do this, we take this show. Please watch that ship. She's a jewel of a person. She is a person, and her business acumen she's been passing it down for a long time, vocal coach to a lot of women, a lot of people period. So one more thing, I just want to say to you, if you've ever met some money that you really admire. They didn't work out the way he thought. Just forgive them. Don't forgive them. They know what they do. You know they don't. They weren't there said the thing that that changed their your perspective. They weren't there, you know, with people, and then they might be trapped at the airport, you know what I'm saying. Or they might just be raggedy ass individual that could make really good art, or maybe they have to pooh. Maybe it could be a lot of things, but we need to meet everybody. Disappoint you know, I met a hero of mine and I I used to sing her songs all the time, and I it needed now that I hear like hurt still. That was a disappointed moment, and I still love it. I still love the music. I just can't listen to it anymore. M h I had I had a hero hurt by feelers with time too. It was bad. It wasn't bad bad. We're actually cool now, which is funny. I want to get cool, but I'm I'm nervous. I love y'all, and I thank you so much for listening to Jay dot Ilda podcast. We do how we do and it's it's genuine, that's it. How do you eat an elephant? One by it time? Hey, listeners, it's Amber the producer here. As a young girl myself. I love this episode. A big theme that seems to keep coming back around on the show is really knowing your histories. I think we can all benefit from getting a little more curious about each other, culture, our stories. The ladies talked about social media icon Cleo Trappa during today's episode, and you heard a little bit of her audio. You can find her on Instagram at I Am Cleo Trappa. Now that's Trappa, not Patra. I'll also drop a link in our show notes, Hi if you have comments on something he said in this episode called eight six six. Hey, if you want to add to this conversation, that's eight six six four nine five four five five. Don't forget to tell us your name and the episode you're referring to. You might just hear your message on a future episode. Thank you for listening to Jill Scott Presents Jay dot Ill. The podcast Jay dot Ill is a production of I heart Radio. For more podcasts from I heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.