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Caalaroga Shark Media. I'm Garrett Fisher, and this is the
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Hit Maker Chronicles. We're at number six on our countdown
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of the top ten best cover songs of all time,
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as voted by the staff at Calaroga Shark Media. Over
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the past month, we've looked at covers that transformed the originals,
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that became more famous than the songs they were covering,
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that shifted perspectives and changed meanings. This week, we're looking
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at the most complicated cover on our entire countdown, a
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cover that raises questions about race, cultural appropriation, artistic interpretation,
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and what it meant to be a black artist in America.
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In the nineteen fifties, Hound Dog by Elvis Presley one
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of the most iconic rock and roll songs ever recorded,
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a song that helped define what rock and roll could be,
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A song song that's been played millions of times, covered
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hundreds of times, become part of the fundamental DNA of
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American popular music. But before Elvis Presley recorded hound Dog
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in nineteen fifty six, it was a completely different song.
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It was an R and B number recorded by Big
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Mama Thornton in nineteen fifty two. It was powerful raw
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and sung from the perspective of a black woman telling
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off a no good man, and when it came out,
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it was a massive hit in the R and B world.
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This is the story of how one song became two
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completely different recordings, and how that transformation reveals both the
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creative power of reinterpretation and the uncomfortable realities of race
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and exploitation in the American music industry. Let's start in
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Los Angeles in nineteen fifty two. Willie May Big Mama
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Thornton was a blues and R and B singer from
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Alabama who'd been working the Chitlin circuit for years. She
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was twenty five years old, stood nearly six feet tall,
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had a voice that could shake a room, and had
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recently signed with Peacock Records, a small independent label run
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by Don Robie out of Houston. Johnny Otis, a bandleader
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and talent scout, was working with Peacock and looking for
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material for Big Mama. He reached out to two young
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songwriters named Jerry Lieber and Mike Staller. They were nineteen
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years old, white Jewish, and absolutely obsessed with black music.
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They'd been writing R and B songs in Los Angeles
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trying to capture the sounds they loved, and they'd already
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had some success. Lieber Installer wrote hound Dog specifically for
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Big Mama Thornton. They wrote it in her voice from
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her perspective. The song was about a woman calling out
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a man who was all talk and no action, comparing
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him to a hound dog that's always crying but never
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catching any rabbits. It was fierce, it was funny, It
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had attitude. Big Mama Thornton recorded hound Dog in August
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nineteen fifty two at Radio Recorders in Los Angeles. The
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arrangement was pure R and B honking saxophones, a shuffle rhythm,
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and Big Mama's voice deep, powerful, commanding. She sang it
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like someone who dealt with no good man her whole
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life and had finally had enough. The record was released
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on Peacock Records and it was a hit, A legitimate
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chart topping R and B hit. Hound Dog went to
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number one on the Billboard R and B charts in
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nineteen fifty three and stayed there for seven weeks. It
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sold close to half a million copies in the R
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and B market. That was huge for an independent label.
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That was a breakthrough. Big Mama Thornton was supposed to
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become a star from this, except that's not what happened.
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Because of the way the music industry worked in nineteen
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fifty two, particularly for black artists on small independent labels.
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Big Mama Thornton didn't own her recording, she didn't control
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the publishing. She was paid a flat fee for the
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session and a small royalty rate that she barely saw
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any money from. Don Roby, who ran Peacock Records, had
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a reputation for exploitative contracts. He controlled the masters. He
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often claimed songwriting credits he didn't deserve. He kept his
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artists on the road and paid them as little as
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he could get away with. Big Mama Thornton later said
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she received a single check for five hundred dollars for
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hound Dog. That's it, one check for a song that
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went to number one and sold half a million copies. Meanwhile,
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Jerry Lieber and Mike Staller, who actually wrote the song,
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were starting to build a fortune. Hound Dog was being
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covered by other artists, it was generating publishing royalties, and
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Lieber and Staller were becoming two of the most successful
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songwriting teams in American music. But Big Mamma Thornton's version
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was still primarily known in the R and B world.
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White audiences, for the most part, hadn't heard it. Radio
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was aggregated. R and B stations played black music for
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black audiences, pop stations played white artists for white audiences.
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There was crossover, but it was rare. And then in
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nineteen fifty six, a twenty one year old singer from
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Memphis named Elvis Presley heard hound Dog. Elvis had been
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listening to black music his whole life. He'd grown up
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in Memphis, hanging around Beal Street, absorbing blues and gospel
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and R and B. He loved Big Mama Thornton's version
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of hound Dog, but when he and his band started
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playing it live, they didn't try to recreate her R
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and B arrangement. They sped it up. They made it
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rock and roll. They changed the feel entirely. Elvis started
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performing hound Dog on his nineteen fifty six tour. The
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crowds went crazy for it. He'd do that hipswiveling thing
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that was scandalizing parents across America, and the teenagers would scream.
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The song became a showstopper. RCA Records, which had just
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signed Elvis to an unprecedented contract, decided to record it.
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On July second, nineteen fifty six, Elvis went into the
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studio in New York City. They recorded hound Dog with
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a completely different arrangement than Big Mama Thornton's version. Faster tempo,
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driving drums, Scotty Moore's guitar playing that bouncing rockabilly rhythm,
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and Elvis's voice not deep in commanding like Big Mama's,
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but youthful, energetic, almost playful. The lyrics were also changed.
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Big Mama's version was explicitly about a no good man.
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Elvis's version was more ambiguous. It could be about a man,
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a woman, a dog, anything. The edge was softened, the
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specificity was removed. Hound Dog was released as a single
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in July nineteen fifty six, paired with Don't Beat Cruel
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on the B side. Both songs were massive hits, but
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together they created a phenomenon. The single went to number
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one on the Billboard Pop charts, the Country charts, and
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the R and B Charts simultaneously. It stayed number one
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for eleven weeks. Eleven weeks in nineteen fifty six. That
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was unprecedented. Elvis performed hound Dog on the Milton Burl Show,
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The Steve Allen Show, and most famously on The Ed
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Sullivan Show, where he was filmed only from the waist
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up because his hip movements were considered too sexually suggestive
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for television. The song became one of the best selling
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singles of all time. It made Elvis Presley a superstar.
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It helped establish rock and roll as a legitimate musical genre.
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It changed American popular culture, and Big Mama Thornton, who'd
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recorded the original version that Elvis had heard and loved,
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got nothing. No new royalties, no renewed interest in her version,
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no acknowledgment that the song had come from the R
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and B world she inhabited. We'll be right back. So
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let's talk about what makes this complicated, because it would
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be easy to make this a simple story of theft
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and appropriation, but it's more nuanced than that. First, the songwriting.
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Jerry Lieber and Mike Staller wrote hound Dog. They owned
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the publishing rights. When Elvis recorded the song, Lieber and
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Stoller got paid handsomely. The song made them wealthy. They
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went on to write dozens of hits for Elvis and
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other artists, becoming two of the most important songwriters in
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rock and roll history. Big Mamma Thornton didn't write the song,
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so legally she had no claim to publishing royalties from
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Elvis's version. That's just how songwriting works. The person who
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writes the song owns it, not the person who records
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it first. But here's the thing. Big Mama Thornton's recording
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is what made hound Dog a hit. Her interpretation, her
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vocal performance, her arrangement. That's what proved the song worked.
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Without her version being a number one R and B
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hit in nineteen fifty three, Elvis probably never would have
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heard it, and she was paid almost nothing for her
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recording five hundred dollars, while the song went on to
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generate millions of dollars in revenue. That's not Elvis's fault.
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That's the fault of an exploitative record industry that routinely
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cheated black artists out of their fair compensation. Don Robe
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at Peacock Records controlled Big Mama's contracts and her masters.
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He made money. She didn't second the racial dynamics in
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nineteen fifty six, a white artist could take a song
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that had been successful in the black music world and
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make it a pop hit. In a way that the
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black original artist never could not because the white version
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was necessarily better, but because radio stations would play it,
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television shows would book it, white audiences would buy it.
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Elvis didn't steal Hounddog from Big Mama Thornton in any
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legal sense. He recorded a different version of a song
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that was available for anyone to cover, but he was
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able to benefit from that cover in ways that Big
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Mama never could, purely because he was white and she
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was black. That's not Elvis being malicious. That's structural racism
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in the music industry. Third, the artistic question, is Elvis's
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version better than Big Mama's. That's subjective. They're fundamentally different recordings.
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Big Mama's version is raw, powerful, explicitly feminist in its
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call out of a no good man. Elvis's version is energetic, fun,
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less specific in its target. Big Mama's version is a
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great R and B record. Elvis's version is a great
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rock and roll record. You can love both, you can
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prefer one over the other, but they're not really the
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same song in any meaningful sense beyond sharing lyrics and
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a basic melody. What's not subjective is that Elvis's version
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became culturally dominant. When people think of hound Dog, they
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think of Elvis, they don't think of Big Mama Thornton.
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Her version became a footnote, a piece of trivia, something
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you learn when you dig into the history of rock
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and roll. In later years, Big Mama Thornton talked about
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this in interviews. She was proud of her version. She
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acknowledged that Elvis had made the song famous in a
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way she never could have, but she was also bitter,
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rightfully so, about the fact that she'd been cheated out
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of fair compensation and that her contribution had been largely
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erased from popular memory. She continued performing for decades. She
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had a resurgence in the nineteen sixties and seventies during
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the Blues Revival, when white rock fans started discovering the
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black blues artists who'd influenced the music they loved. She
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played festivals, recorded albums, earned respect as a pioneering blues singer,
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but she never got rich. She never got famous on
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the level that Elvis did. She died in nineteen eighty four,
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largely unknown to mainstream audiences, while Hounddog continued to be
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one of the most famous songs in American music. Jerry
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Lieber and my Staller meanwhile became legends. They wrote Jailhouse Rock,
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stand by Me Yackety Yak, Charlie Brown, dozens of other classics.
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They were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
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They were celebrated as pioneers of rock and roll songwriting.
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They always credited Big Mama Thornton's version as the original
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and acknowledged that they'd written it specifically for her. They
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spoke respectfully about her in interviews, but they also made
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millions of dollars from a song that she'd helped make
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famous and for which she received almost nothing. That's the
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complexity of Hound Dog. Nobody involved was purely a villain
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or purely a victim. Elvis loved black music and wanted
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to honor it, but he also benefited enormously from being
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able to access that music in ways that black artists couldn't.
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Lieber Installer wrote a great song and deserved to be
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compensated for their work, but they got rich while Big
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Mama stayed poor. Big Mama Thornton created a definitive vers
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version of the song, but she didn't own it and
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couldn't control what happened to it, and the music industry
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of the nineteen fifties was built on systems that routinely
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exploited black artists, paid them unfairly, denied them opportunities, and
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allowed white artists to profit from black musical innovations. Hounddog
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is number six on our countdown because it's one of
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the most famous covers in history, because it helped define
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rock and roll, because Elvis's version is genuinely great. But
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it's also number six because it forces us to reckon
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with uncomfortable truths about how the music industry worked, how
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race shaped, who got opportunities and who didn't, and how
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the story we tell about rock and roll often erases
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the black artists who created it. Big Mama Thornton's hound
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Dog and Elvis Presley's hound Dog are both essential recordings,
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both deserve to be remembered, both should be celebrated. But
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only one of them made the artist rich and famous,
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and that wasn't the person who recorded it first. This
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is Garrett Fischer, and this is the hit maker Chronicles.
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Join us next Sunday for number five on our countdown
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of the top ten best cover songs of all time.