We Get To Do This - True North

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Father, we honor you this morning that we get

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to do this. It's a privilege to do what we do.

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And we pray for our listeners, our friends, Lord,

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that this community that you're building around

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this mentality of we get to do this, we get to

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do these things. And so Father, I want to encourage

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them today and I pray that you continue to open

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their hearts to your goodness, to your mercy

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and your grace. And Father, we We just lay everything

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we do we consecrate these next few moments to

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you in Jesus name. Amen. Amen It's Wednesday,

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June 17th 2026 we get to do this. This is episode

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number 37 We get to do this. Hello, honey. I

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knew you were going to go there. I was going

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to go there if you did. It's the elephant in

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the room right now. Literally, it's a big fat

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elephant right now. So we're chatting just before

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we hit record. And I'm apologizing for not being

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able to make a lunch. And my brother over here

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just throws out a, honey, it's OK. I'm like,

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all right, darling, can I give some back story?

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Just breathe for brief. So, so once a year we

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take off, we take all of our vacation in one

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shot. So that's one month. And so we take off

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usually July, but we took off June. So Annette

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and I have been together 24 seven for several

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weeks. And then, you know, ends at the end of

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June, going to end with a big trip starting Saturday

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out to Florida and just get some beach time.

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And, uh, having been with her 24 seven, she's

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the only adult I've been talking to for a while.

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My response when you made a comment was it's

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okay, honey. And as soon as it came out of my

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mouth, it was too late. You couldn't block it.

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If I could have, I would have caught it before

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it got to the end of my mic stand here. I love

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that, man. I'm on that level. I love that. Well,

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yeah, take it as a compliment. I do. I don't

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call any men honey, frankly. They do in the South.

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Tina's been traveling. Yeah, big trip. Yeah,

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she's on a trip now, but she was in Vegas with

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her sister to see... The other big trip. Yes,

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Gwen Stefani, which is like the sisters. I mean,

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how often do you get, when you're in your 60s,

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how often do you get to go to Vegas to a concert

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with your sister? That'd be like me and my brother

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going to see Fog Hat or something. Well, exactly.

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That's pretty much the same thing. I'll meet

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you in Vegas for Fog Hat. Great analogy. And

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so I also, I've just been home with Phoebe, you

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know, so I talked to Phoebe a little bit. Bubba,

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Phoebster, you know, that's it. And so honestly,

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I hadn't like... showered or shaved for 48 hours

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and I'm walking Phoebe and our neighbor Cameron

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from Calivans, I learned how to pronounce it,

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they have a house right near us. She's like,

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Adam, come on in, come on in. Cause they're rarely

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ever there. They live in California back and

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forth. Come on in. I'm like, I got Phoebe with

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me. Yeah, bring her in. She's shedding. Come

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on in. You're doing everything you can. Anything

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I can do. And I realized my hair was all crazy.

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But it was such a sweet time. Oh, that's cool.

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They were so, so nice. And those are very busy

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people. And Phoebe was adorable. She just like

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rubbing up against everybody. Look at me. Phoebe's

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turned into a teddy bear. Yeah. I mean, she's

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doing pretty well. She's come a long way. Since

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when she... Bidinette, yes. Oh man, it was nice

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to see. We're here at Bridge Church. It's a Wednesday,

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so it's always fun to see who's around, who's

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hanging out in the parking lot. You know how

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we used to hang out in the parking lot as kids?

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Some guys still do that here. Tommy Hayes out

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there hanging out in the parking lot. No, it

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was Tommy Watson. I'm sorry. Yes, Tommy Watson.

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Waving at everybody. We're all trying to rev

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our engines on the empty lot. I mean, we flew

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through there too. Because I'm not working, I'm

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trying to sort of be incognito. So I'm like hauling

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through the parking lot to get to the back. I'm

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the flash. I'm not here. I mean, I do miss it.

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I miss our people, but I try to really protect

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that vacation time. It was nice to see Pastor

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Brian. He has a great idea for his message that

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he's preaching on Sunday. I'm very excited to

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see it. Me too. So good news. Good news. Just

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positive. And it came off... I'm all about it.

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It came off of social media. And I just want

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to... Exactly. I just want to stop and I just

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want to acknowledge that this is a wonderful

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trend. It's something that came out of left field

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and I'm just, I brought a couple of clips just

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because it's so cool. So we have a lot of people

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coming into the United States, Merck right now

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for World Cup Soccer. Now I watch World Cup Soccer

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because I grew up - Is it FIFA or FIFA? FIFA,

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Federation International Football Association.

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It should be FISA, but that's something else.

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All these fans are coming in, you know, it's

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multiple cities, it's in Florida, it's in Texas,

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it's going to be, actually USA played in Los

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Angeles, 70 ,000 people, and they beat Paraguay.

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Not a huge feat, but not bad, but four to one

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was stellar. They've got the commercials figured

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out, you know, football, soccer was never appropriate

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for American television because you couldn't

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jam in commercials like basketball and football,

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or our football. So now they have the field is

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filled with digital, digital screens that wrap

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around. Yeah. And they're managing that really

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well. It's like, that's working for me. Cool.

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And they've, they've added something to this

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two times 45 minutes. So there's a halftime.

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They've added something, which I call a hydration

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break, which is It's totally laughable because

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these guys don't need a hydration break. It's

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not 120 degrees. That's weird. And these guys

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are world -class athletes. But that's for the

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commercials. Oh, gotcha. So they jam the commercials

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in there. But I'm happy because a lot of people

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don't get it, are not interested. But without

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a doubt, it's a huge sport. So people from all

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over the world, the Dutch. Oh, man. If you see

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Orange anywhere in your town, the Dutch are there.

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They are super excited. assault of the earth

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people who really will travel to see their their

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team play and They are posting on every social

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network How much they love America how awesome

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America is all these fantastic things that we

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have beautiful and you know What do you see on

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social media? Normally sucks. It sucks. It's

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no good. You know, everything's crap, you know,

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right? I'm gonna leave the country and I always

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say good luck with that. I've lived in a couple

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countries. We'll see in a few years. Now a lot

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of it is for obvious reasons surrounds food because

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we have more fast food restaurants than any other

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and franchises and versions in any other country

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in the world. But the pure joy of people. So

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let's just listen to a couple of snippets here.

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So excited about arriving at Bucky's. I want

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to put these in my suitcase. So you like shopping

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in America a lot better, honey. We've already

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got three items. This is fun. So millions of

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World Cup fans are in America to cheer on their

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teams. And some are going viral as they enjoy

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all the unique experiences the US has to offer.

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One of those fans is with us now. Sammy Bell

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is from England and has been sharing her time

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in the States on social media. Sammy, you are

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joining us from inside an American staple, a

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wing stop. And we want to get you to try the

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wing stop for the first time at the end of this

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in a couple of minutes. But first, what has surprised

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you about America. Just how friendly everyone

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is, how welcoming everyone is to the World Cup.

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We arrived last week for two games in Florida,

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in Tampa and Orlando, and everyone's just been

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so nice. Now, this has to be remembered. We are

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a nice people. True. The Europeans are always

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surprised when they're in a shop and someone

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says, have a nice day. That's always a big joke

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in Europe. They say, have a nice day. Do they

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even mean it? Well, that's not the point, is

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it? Right. That's not the point. Because, of

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course, to some degree we mean it. Here's another

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one. There's a French guy here. I just love this

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guy. And now I'm a real country girl and apparently

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I know now how to ride horses and to grow potatoes.

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People want to talk to me. People want to make

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noises at me. I don't know what's that about.

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Whee! She went whee! I was like, okay, do whee

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to you. Everyone is literally has a heart full

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of gold it seems like. That was the nicest thing.

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And pockets full of gold. Yeah, and pockets full

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of coins. I just had Texas barbecue for the first

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time in my life, better than any moment of my

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life. And I am married and have two kids. Oh,

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but in France you have the crepe, the petit pain

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au chocolat, the croissant. I give my life croissant

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for a Texas brisket. Don't even get me started

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on Costco. Costco is bigger than my village,

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where I live. Whatever you want at Costco, it's

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there. You just show up and you could buy your

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whole life there. We need to start a revolution

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just to get Costco in France. I will be the first

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one to say I will start a revolution to get Costco.

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Les italiennes, les Italians. I'm sorry, but

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ranch makes pizza better than anything I've ever

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tasted. This car right here is called a Waymo.

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Waymo? Is it that? Yeah, Waymo. And for the longest

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time I wondered why it was called a Waymo. It

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is because Amerique has Waymo than the rest of

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the world. Ranch was the big hit, by the way.

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Pizza with ranch dressing, everyone's running

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away with that one. Gosh, that was so fun. Makes

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me happy. There's one more I want to play and

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yeah, this is you know, there's a lot of oh my

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gosh And what the hell is that? So, please forgive

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me for the clip It ends exactly the way and I

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didn't make this clip. This was put out there

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I mean all of the United States of America. I'm

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in America when they say everything America is

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big I understand it. Why the hell is this quesadilla

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the size of my head? and you take your fingers

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and you lift that up and you eat it okay now

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with a fork nothing comes close to the USA for

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the first time as a family Woman walking alone

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with fancy handbags, jewelry on, glasses on,

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they're not being harassed, nothing. If they

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were South Africa, gosh, first of all, I wouldn't

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be able to walk through this blooming park by

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myself. Everything just big, ginormous, extra

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large. Oh my god. Give it again. I'm telling

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you what, that chicken is delicious. Better than

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KFC. I'm saying so. I'm saying it's better than

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KFC. It's good, it's good. We have Bible verses

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on the bottom of their cup. Never. I just feel

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like you're so lucky to live here. Everything

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in the US simply beats anything I've ever experienced

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anywhere in the world. God bless America. This

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place is freaking awesome. You can't make this

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up. This is too, too wonderful. All glory goes

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to God for preserving this wonderful country.

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Boom. There it is. There it is. Man, I find myself

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getting emotional listening to that. Me too.

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Because it seems like anytime you turn on your

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newsfeed, it's just, I mean, now, you know, Instagram

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just pops up and there's A video of a brawl in

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the street or kids beating up another kid or

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school bus, you know, out of control. I mean,

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just our eyes or whatever. And it just, it's

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so disheartening and it, and it makes you it.

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It steals your attention into the negative. Steals

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your joy, literally. Exactly. Instead of actually

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seeing that there's so much more good out there.

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And sometimes it takes outsiders coming in to

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point out what we take for granted. Costco, that

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was awesome. That whole bit on Costco was amazing.

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So let me read this in light of what we just

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did. Tell me what you think about this. The title

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of it is bite your tongue. You complain about

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traffic because you have a car. You complain

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about laundry because you have clothes. You complain

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about dishes because you ate. You complain about

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packing because you get to travel. You complain

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about taxes because you earned. You complain

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about your job because you have one. You complain

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about a full inbox because people need you. You

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complain about noise because you have a family.

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You complain about exercise because your body

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moves. You complain about wrinkles because you

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lived. You complain about gray hair because you

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made it this far. You complain about change because

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you're growing. Wow, if that would only fit on

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a t -shirt. Man, I read that. Who wrote that?

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That is so good. Well, it's a web thing, an Instagram

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key to success. key for success mind. So it's

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just one of those. Just a reminder, just like

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hearing that, that they did the same thing to

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me. What it does, it makes me pause and go, take

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a step back. What hit me the most is you complain

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about dirty dishes because you ate. Like, how

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much of the world does not get to eat three a

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day? Every one of those carry a lot of weight.

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I mean, it's almost unfair to read them all off

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that quick. That is so good. But hearing these

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precious, I love the world. I love the people

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of the world because when you go to their culture,

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you're introduced to things and we're just as

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wow in their country. We love the croissant.

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Absolutely. I'll give my left arm for a croissant.

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I'll give my ribs for a croissant or my rib eye.

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But that's the beauty of when you get to go to

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other places and experience that. But it also

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still makes you grateful for what you have. I

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mean, even though you're wowed by these things,

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you're still grateful. And always come back from

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those kinds of trips, whether it's a mission

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trip or it's a working trip or pleasure trip,

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and then come back just grateful. Because you're

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reminded, wow. You're upset you have to pack

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because you get to travel. Are you kidding me

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now? That is so recognizable and so good. Count

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your blessings. That's what it is, just count

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your blessings. That's amazing. So welcome everybody

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to America. We love having you here for the World

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Cup. Not everybody hates soccer. We actually

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love, a lot of people love it. Man, I love the

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sport. I especially love the drama kings. Oh,

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that's the whole, that's part of it. That's hysterical.

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They've actually, I think they've ruined it a

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little bit because now we have something called

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the VAR, the Video Assisted Referee. Oh. So someone

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can say, you know, he didn't actually kick him

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in the shins and then they can go and check it.

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Right. And like, so that happened during the,

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that was America Paraguay. One of our guys got

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a yellow card, ooh, a yellow card for tripping

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a guy they called a VAR. the referee goes over,

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the guy didn't even touch him. But of course

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the player went down like, oh, oh, oh. And then

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he actually gave the yellow card to the other

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player, which is something that has never happened

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in World Cup history. But it kind of ruins the

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game. Yeah. Because the drama of it. Part of

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that's the show. You're supposed to be arguing

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with your buddy. It's the show. That's bull crap.

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He didn't even touch him. And then there's the

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off sides monitor too. That's out of bounds basically.

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Right. If a player gets behind any other player

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before the ball gets there. I didn't know exactly

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how it works. Now they have that electronified.

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So okay, we'll live with it. Listen, I thought

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I was tough playing football like American football,

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which it is. I mean, I'm paying for it now, my

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body. You complain about your body because you

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got to move. Well, rugby, rugby, those guys are

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beasts. Hardcore. My gosh. That's hardcore. Sometimes

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I'll just watch videos. And I love watching New

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Zealand when they do the Hawkeye. You know, that

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war dance. You know what I'm talking about? Gosh,

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it's intense, man. Those guys are like, for real.

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But I do love soccer. I do. It's a great sport.

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And by the way, we're allowed to say soccer because

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even the Europeans are saying it's okay. Okay.

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I don't want to insult. And the reason why. Football

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used that's what rugby was it started off with

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football in long time ago in the UK and sorry

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in England It was football and then this what

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we call soccer started They call that association

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football and they took the SOCC Oh from association

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would call it sock. They call you to go into

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sock instead of association. So that's how it

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became soccer. And actually they used it in England

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for many years. So it's okay. Everyone loves

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us. We love having them here. They're good fans.

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Come get some barbecue. You haven't lived until

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you see the Scots in a bar, Scottish fans, with

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a guy standing on the table and an acoustic guitar

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singing Country Road. and they're all singing

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it. They all know the words. There's nothing

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quite like that. That lifted my spirit so much.

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This is the spice of life. This is what makes

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life joyful. And it's a reminder that it's not

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bad everywhere. It's not all bad. And I think

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that's what you and I, we keep talking about

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social media and it's not that it's legacy media,

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it's news media, it's all the different mediums

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out there. It's not all bad and people are not

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all bad We need to be reminded of that when we

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were watching video and doom -scrolling watching

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people line up in a protest and yelling in each

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other's faces getting physical and it's so easy

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to get taken down the hole the rabbit hole of

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Humanity is done. You know, they're just we're

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screwed. We're all screwed Well, actually it's

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not that way that bad I was reading an article

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today that my friend Dave Jones shared with me,

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and it was about a guy named Justin Jackson.

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He wrote an article about that he has a company,

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he has a business partner, they're not in the

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same state, and they communicate over Slack,

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which is basically just another text messaging

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app. And they got into a real Disagreement over

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something which went on for weeks and weeks and

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weeks and until their wives said hey You guys

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need to get together to figure this out and they

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and they so they figured the thing out within

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30 minutes So the person to person thing is incredibly

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important, but what struck me about the article

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and this comes down to social media So all day

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long we are texting you and I text We text with

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our wives, our husbands. We're texting, we're

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texting. Then we go on social media and we text

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back at someone and we're arguing with someone.

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And then we switch right back to our spouse.

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What can happen there? What could possibly go

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wrong? that you're hearing the person on social

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media, hearing their words, you don't know what

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you're talking about. And then your spouse sends

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you something and you hear it in that same voice

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because it was only separated by 1 .5 seconds.

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Wow. Got to be aware of this. It certainly made

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me think, oh, wow, you know, do I sometimes interpret?

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Because, you know, text has no context often.

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Do I, do I interpret things and vice versa? You

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know, do I think so? They must be upset. They

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wrote all caps. They're mad. We start to interpret

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text and try to give it nuance. Here's something

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that's fun to do. Whenever your friend, partner,

00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:41.099
spouse says, oh, look at this text I received,

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ask them to read it out loud. I guarantee you,

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you will start smiling because they will start

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acting out the words. They'll add the inflections.

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I don't think cha -pa, cha -pa, cha -pa. And

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I was like, wow, you're really mimicking that

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person's voice. Do you say honey like I did?

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Honey, honey. No, I say darling. I throw out

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the darling. And I never throw out the babe.

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I never do that one. No, that's bad. But it's

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just another thing that I'm trying to be more

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cognizant and conscious of what I'm actually

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doing, man. So anyway, and I think in that regard,

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Zoom meetings are probably not a bad thing. Yeah.

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At least you can see expressions. Just hope they

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don't have to get up and go to the bathroom and

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they didn't put their pants on, you know, those

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kind of meetings. Well, that only happens with

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CNN commentators. So we watched the movie. Yeah.

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Wow. This was a movie that, interesting, was

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freely available on YouTube. which I guess they

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have some kind of deals and they'll put older

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movies on YouTube. And I got this from Sir Brian

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Lawson. He's a No Agenda listener. And he says,

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I was searching for something to watch, found

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it on a Christian movie YouTube channel. I'm

00:23:06.740 --> 00:23:10.700
a semi atheist. But I thought it was plus one

00:23:10.700 --> 00:23:14.259
for entertaining, plus one for fun. And he said,

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I think you'd enjoy it. that I happened to be

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alone by myself. I'm like, all right. And it

00:23:19.569 --> 00:23:22.069
was the afternoon. I'm like, I'll turn this thing

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on. It's called The Time Changers. And you want

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to, cause I then told you, you should check it

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out. And you want to tell me what your impression

00:23:30.170 --> 00:23:32.089
was in the summary. Well, because we're on vacation

00:23:32.089 --> 00:23:34.109
and we're binge watching When Calls the Heart.

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I said, let's take a break. Let's break from

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this for a second. There's 14 seasons and we're

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on season 10 right now. I'm like, let's take

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a break. And I said, Adam sent me a link to a

00:23:43.380 --> 00:23:45.079
movie, so let's check it out. She said, okay,

00:23:45.099 --> 00:23:47.000
let's do it. And Adam doesn't recommend stuff.

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No, no, you don't. And so we watched the movie

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and it was a delight, but there was also a lot

00:23:54.900 --> 00:23:56.819
of weight and gravity to it. It's one of those

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movies. It's made in 2002. It's called Time Changers,

00:23:59.500 --> 00:24:01.460
probably mentioned that. And it's a Christian

00:24:01.460 --> 00:24:04.119
movie and Christian movies have come a long way,

00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:06.400
production in the last couple of years. But even

00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:11.529
that one from 2002. Not bad. Captain Stubing

00:24:11.529 --> 00:24:13.990
from The Love Boat plays a major role. And it

00:24:13.990 --> 00:24:15.829
took me a bit to get over that, but I finally

00:24:15.829 --> 00:24:18.349
got there. Gavin McLeod. Yes, that's right. Yeah.

00:24:18.769 --> 00:24:21.690
Jennifer O 'Neill. Yes. Yeah, there's several.

00:24:21.829 --> 00:24:26.269
Some real actors in there. Yeah. And the movie

00:24:26.269 --> 00:24:29.369
was delightful, but it was also, you want me

00:24:29.369 --> 00:24:31.529
to just give the premise? Yeah. Basic premise.

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People will enjoy it no matter what. Okay. Yeah.

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Yeah. So it's set in the 1800s and it's at a

00:24:38.029 --> 00:24:43.670
Bible seminary. and all of these very smart deans,

00:24:44.549 --> 00:24:47.230
professors, and Bible professors sitting around

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a table and they're talking. And one of the guys

00:24:49.470 --> 00:24:51.769
comes in, he's very excited because he has just

00:24:51.769 --> 00:24:54.750
written a new book. He asked them to review the

00:24:54.750 --> 00:24:56.529
book and they all go around the table and everybody

00:24:56.529 --> 00:24:58.529
seems real happy about it except for Captain

00:24:58.529 --> 00:25:02.750
Stubbe. He comes in and he kind of throws, man,

00:25:02.809 --> 00:25:05.869
water on the party, on the fire. But he makes

00:25:05.869 --> 00:25:09.880
an observation. the book was written from a Christian

00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:13.640
perspective about Christian things and morality

00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:16.660
and all that, and yet very little reference,

00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:21.440
if any, to Jesus Christ. Actually disconnecting

00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:24.119
it. Yeah, it was disconnected. So they were the

00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:26.740
biblical principles, but not connected to the

00:25:26.740 --> 00:25:30.000
gospel. That was kind of the Captain Stubbig's

00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:33.380
thing. I can't remember his name in the movie,

00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:38.859
but anyway. So he calls it out. And he's very

00:25:38.859 --> 00:25:41.420
firm in his stance. So he's the party pooper

00:25:41.420 --> 00:25:43.819
of the whole group. Right. And they needed unanimity

00:25:43.819 --> 00:25:45.380
to do all this. Yes, they had to have unanimous

00:25:45.380 --> 00:25:48.319
to actually get his book published. And he was

00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:51.799
up against a deadline. So what we didn't know

00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:58.500
is that Captain Stubbig's father Had invented

00:25:58.500 --> 00:26:00.859
something. Yes, that's we can get this all those

00:26:00.859 --> 00:26:03.380
spoilers. No, no spoilers Yeah, okay, so but

00:26:03.380 --> 00:26:06.000
it but it had to do with you know being able

00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:08.319
to be in another culture So to speak there you

00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:10.700
go see different things different perspective

00:26:10.700 --> 00:26:13.940
So he invites the guy over says we need to talk.

00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:15.940
That's I need you to come over my house He's

00:26:15.940 --> 00:26:19.380
real resistant long story short. He ends up going

00:26:19.380 --> 00:26:23.279
there sees this invention and It puts him on

00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:29.269
an adventure That is fascinating. And funny.

00:26:29.970 --> 00:26:33.890
There's a lot of funny moments in it. Took me

00:26:33.890 --> 00:26:38.990
back to Elf. In that sense. Sort of that innocence.

00:26:40.789 --> 00:26:43.329
Being in another place. Yes, where in the world

00:26:43.329 --> 00:26:46.549
am I? Yeah, exactly. So anyway, there it is.

00:26:46.990 --> 00:26:50.849
And it's a major shocker for the guy. And there's

00:26:50.849 --> 00:26:53.369
a lot of just little vignette scenes that just...

00:26:53.339 --> 00:26:56.839
really teach some great lessons. What it did

00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:02.480
for me coming away was how quickly we can lose

00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:06.039
the simplicity of the gospel and the simplicity

00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:09.619
of walking with God to where, like all these

00:27:09.619 --> 00:27:12.680
Bible professors sitting around making it complicated,

00:27:12.900 --> 00:27:16.500
using it very pontificating, having this very

00:27:16.500 --> 00:27:19.279
elegant language which nobody can understand,

00:27:19.339 --> 00:27:24.680
even themselves sometimes. bringing it back to

00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:28.220
just the purity of the simple Christian life.

00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:32.319
So let me share a quick story. So in 2005 or

00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:34.599
six, Annette and I, we were a part of a movement

00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:36.819
of churches and we would do these world conferences.

00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:40.240
And so we'd have many nations show up and we'd

00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:42.960
be thousands and we'd meet at LA at Anaheim Stadium

00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:46.980
or wherever. Huge. At one time, Pastor Brett

00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:50.619
Fuller, African -American, brilliant guy, sharp,

00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:55.869
classy. He lives up in the Washington DC area,

00:27:55.910 --> 00:27:58.829
pastors of great church. Every time he preaches,

00:27:59.009 --> 00:28:01.549
he's going to bring something sharp. I mean,

00:28:01.549 --> 00:28:03.809
you just go, whoa, every time. He's that guy,

00:28:04.150 --> 00:28:08.390
brilliant, classy. He walks up on the stage and

00:28:08.390 --> 00:28:11.630
there's a stool up there in a music stand, not

00:28:11.630 --> 00:28:14.630
normal, in these big conferences. And he's got

00:28:14.630 --> 00:28:18.170
his iPhone, no Bible. He opens up his phone,

00:28:18.190 --> 00:28:21.029
sits down. He looks around the crowd and he said,

00:28:21.190 --> 00:28:25.369
you know, I wrote a sermon for today, but we

00:28:25.369 --> 00:28:28.250
don't need another sermon. He said, we need to

00:28:28.250 --> 00:28:32.049
talk. And he sets his phone down. He had left

00:28:32.049 --> 00:28:33.970
it open because he had some notes. And he said,

00:28:35.109 --> 00:28:38.829
what would the world be like? What would we be

00:28:38.829 --> 00:28:42.769
like if we just were good Christians? He spent

00:28:42.769 --> 00:28:47.349
the next 30 plus minutes talking about What would

00:28:47.349 --> 00:28:51.910
it mean to get back to the simple gospel? Loving

00:28:51.910 --> 00:28:54.289
your neighbor, treating others like you want

00:28:54.289 --> 00:28:58.650
to be treated, not judging your neighbors, feeding

00:28:58.650 --> 00:29:03.210
the poor, taking care of the broken, ministering.

00:29:03.609 --> 00:29:08.329
I mean, those conferences are always hype, hype,

00:29:08.849 --> 00:29:13.519
hype, glam glitz. It's kind of like... It's kind

00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:15.940
of like when Trump comes out on the platform

00:29:15.940 --> 00:29:19.240
and there's sparklers going off, kind of like

00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:22.500
a TPUSA event or something. Another good example.

00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:26.339
Yeah, typical rah rah. He just comes out, he

00:29:26.339 --> 00:29:29.480
totally strips all that down and slayed the whole

00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:32.180
place. And when he was done, he got a standing

00:29:32.180 --> 00:29:35.059
ovation because everybody in that room was going,

00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:39.660
we have run too far. We have so convoluted and

00:29:39.660 --> 00:29:42.680
complicated this thing. We've got church growth

00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:45.660
conferences. We've got missional conferences.

00:29:45.900 --> 00:29:48.220
We've got missions conferences. I mean, we've

00:29:48.220 --> 00:29:52.299
got all this worship conferences. We've so convoluted

00:29:52.299 --> 00:29:54.920
and so complicated things that we don't even

00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:57.630
know what we're doing. Christian radio conferences.

00:29:58.269 --> 00:30:02.049
We sure do. You'd be surprised. We sure do. And

00:30:02.049 --> 00:30:05.369
it's amazing. Sometimes it takes one voice, just

00:30:05.369 --> 00:30:07.549
like Captain Stubbe coming in that room and shutting

00:30:07.549 --> 00:30:10.049
the room down. It just takes one person going,

00:30:10.210 --> 00:30:13.690
wait a minute. Let's get back to the foundations.

00:30:13.750 --> 00:30:17.309
Let's get back to a childlike faith. That's what

00:30:17.309 --> 00:30:19.589
that movie did for me. It reminded me of that

00:30:19.589 --> 00:30:22.029
moment sitting in that room with thousands of

00:30:22.029 --> 00:30:24.509
people from all over the world. And you could

00:30:24.509 --> 00:30:26.690
have heard a pin drop. Literally, it's like no

00:30:26.690 --> 00:30:29.309
one was breathing for a minute. You could hear

00:30:29.309 --> 00:30:32.609
the fans running in the auditorium. But because

00:30:32.609 --> 00:30:35.730
he, you could tell it landed and that movie did

00:30:35.730 --> 00:30:37.609
the same thing for me. I told Annette, I said,

00:30:37.970 --> 00:30:41.450
I need to process this movie because it really

00:30:41.450 --> 00:30:44.450
spoke to me in some deep places of, you know,

00:30:44.450 --> 00:30:48.329
where have I gotten too far out? Too, too complicated,

00:30:48.829 --> 00:30:52.849
too clever with messages and titles and where

00:30:52.849 --> 00:30:55.930
have we gone too far, you know? And not that

00:30:55.930 --> 00:30:58.650
we're going to go start cutting things and throwing

00:30:58.650 --> 00:31:01.930
things out. It's just, how can we make sure we're

00:31:01.930 --> 00:31:05.089
keeping the message simple and clear? We're competing

00:31:05.089 --> 00:31:08.789
with, and when I say we, you and I, you, Pastor

00:31:08.789 --> 00:31:12.670
Brian, pastors, church leaders, you're competing

00:31:12.670 --> 00:31:16.829
with so much breaking, so many things that have

00:31:16.829 --> 00:31:19.430
to grab someone's attention. A new approach is

00:31:19.430 --> 00:31:22.650
sometimes really refreshing, but it's not easy.

00:31:22.829 --> 00:31:26.240
I mean, the enemy has Just it's interesting that

00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:28.380
he put his phone down there because you know

00:31:28.380 --> 00:31:32.259
me and I mean, it's John C. Dvorak actually said

00:31:32.259 --> 00:31:34.920
the other day on the show I think the smartphone

00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:38.920
is the Antichrist Wow, what? Wow, he's convinced

00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:41.259
of this. No, he's convinced of it. That's a strong

00:31:41.259 --> 00:31:45.660
statement So, you know, there's but I mean just

00:31:45.660 --> 00:31:52.259
I observe my own my own mannerisms in usage and

00:31:52.259 --> 00:31:55.170
Yeah after seeing that movie I had exactly the

00:31:55.170 --> 00:32:01.369
same. Overcomplicated, I think, is a very good

00:32:01.369 --> 00:32:05.910
way of describing it. And I have a unique perspective

00:32:05.910 --> 00:32:09.710
of having, well, I don't remember much, a little

00:32:09.710 --> 00:32:12.490
bit of when I was seven years old, growing up

00:32:12.490 --> 00:32:16.650
in Maryland, before moving to Europe. Then coming

00:32:16.650 --> 00:32:21.869
back in 86, being in New Jersey, where, and to

00:32:21.869 --> 00:32:25.160
me, it's always been the neighbors. And the neighbors

00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:27.059
were always like, hey, neighbor, you know, I

00:32:27.059 --> 00:32:28.460
don't remember half the neighbor's name, just

00:32:28.460 --> 00:32:31.519
say, hey, bro, hey, neighbor. Our next door neighbor,

00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:33.920
Dennis Mamsher, was just one of those guys. He

00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:36.160
put down poinsettias and Christmas at everyone's

00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:38.380
house. You know, one of these larger than like,

00:32:38.539 --> 00:32:42.299
he sold Justin's rings, you know, top sales guy.

00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:44.519
I think he's still with us. He's been around

00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:48.420
for a bit. And then I went back to Europe for

00:32:48.420 --> 00:32:51.240
quite a while and then came back and, you know,

00:32:51.819 --> 00:32:55.440
saw how much of that was gone, which is why I

00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:59.119
was so delightful that my neighbor said, hey,

00:32:59.220 --> 00:33:01.240
come on in. Just come on in. Just have a chat.

00:33:01.380 --> 00:33:03.680
Yeah. And interesting how I was pushing back.

00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:05.660
Right. Like, no, no, no. I'll come up with any

00:33:05.660 --> 00:33:08.059
excuse. I'm not prepared for this. Yeah, precisely.

00:33:09.140 --> 00:33:10.460
And you know what? I have the right clothes on.

00:33:10.660 --> 00:33:12.460
You know what? I'm not presentable. Their hair

00:33:12.460 --> 00:33:16.720
wasn't great either, to be honest about it. And

00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:21.359
yeah, we have lost. I don't know if it's lost

00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:26.000
or what it is, but there's something that I think

00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:28.579
is still there. Oh, it's there. We just need

00:33:28.579 --> 00:33:31.339
to figure out the triggers to revive it, which

00:33:31.339 --> 00:33:34.339
I think can only come through loving your neighbor.

00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:39.220
What a crazy, uncomplicated thought. And I'm

00:33:39.220 --> 00:33:40.940
always waving. This is what I love about Texas,

00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:44.279
man. You've got to wave at everybody, no matter

00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.089
what. I love, I always gauge waves. You know,

00:33:47.150 --> 00:33:52.650
you can rate them. So growing up in Lubbock was,

00:33:52.730 --> 00:33:54.609
you know, it was a big enough, you know, city

00:33:54.609 --> 00:33:56.529
that people didn't wave there. But when I moved

00:33:56.529 --> 00:33:58.750
to post Texas, you had to waver. You'd get in

00:33:58.750 --> 00:34:01.410
a fight. Hey, man, why don't you wave at me?

00:34:02.349 --> 00:34:04.990
Hey, what do you want some of this? I mean, literally,

00:34:04.990 --> 00:34:07.529
I learned real quick, man. I drive with my hand

00:34:07.529 --> 00:34:09.429
on the top of the steering wheel and you learn

00:34:09.429 --> 00:34:14.349
the bump, whatever. So this morning and our walk

00:34:14.349 --> 00:34:18.139
in our neighborhood and. People wave, you know

00:34:18.139 --> 00:34:20.000
until they don't and then we're like, what's

00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:22.300
wrong with him? I mean literally like it's out

00:34:22.300 --> 00:34:24.400
of place. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, they're driving

00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:28.079
a Subaru. So that told me but anyway Rice Burner

00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:33.500
the better But you know, I It was funny today

00:34:33.500 --> 00:34:35.519
because then though the funniest wave was it

00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:39.329
was a like a schoolgirl driving a pickup, but

00:34:39.329 --> 00:34:41.349
she was young and she could tell she'd never

00:34:41.349 --> 00:34:43.389
waved at anybody because we waved real big at

00:34:43.389 --> 00:34:45.769
her and she didn't know what to do. I was laughing.

00:34:45.929 --> 00:34:47.829
I said, boy, that was an awkward way. I don't

00:34:47.829 --> 00:34:50.730
think she's ever waved at anybody. But that idea

00:34:50.730 --> 00:34:53.730
of just that general friendliness, it's still

00:34:53.730 --> 00:35:00.090
there. I think we can get so lost in the web

00:35:00.090 --> 00:35:04.949
and podcasting and news media to where we think

00:35:04.949 --> 00:35:07.780
the whole world is like, that microcosm that

00:35:07.780 --> 00:35:10.480
is on that small screen. And it is just that.

00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:13.659
It's just that. Yes. And real people are not

00:35:13.659 --> 00:35:16.380
like that. No. And I don't know where they get

00:35:16.380 --> 00:35:19.019
all these goofballs to go do all these protests.

00:35:19.099 --> 00:35:21.420
That's paying them. I know they do that. But

00:35:21.420 --> 00:35:23.199
at the end of the day, that's not the majority

00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:27.280
of people in the world or in America. And I want

00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:32.139
to keep finding those golden hills. We got to

00:35:32.139 --> 00:35:35.309
keep finding it and calling it out. and just

00:35:35.309 --> 00:35:38.210
be good neighbors. But I love what pastor Brett

00:35:38.210 --> 00:35:42.690
Fuller said, just be a good Christian. And you

00:35:42.690 --> 00:35:44.909
know, I love the movie, it calls us back to the

00:35:44.909 --> 00:35:47.250
gospel though. People need help understanding

00:35:47.250 --> 00:35:49.670
what that means, just be a good Christian. What

00:35:49.670 --> 00:35:51.849
does that mean? I'm a good person. I'm a moral

00:35:51.849 --> 00:35:54.329
person. It's not the same as a good Christian.

00:35:54.469 --> 00:35:58.929
That's the thing is we have a basis for our morality

00:35:58.929 --> 00:36:03.199
and a basis for our apologies and our Needing

00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:06.260
to ask forgiveness for our mistakes. It all comes

00:36:06.260 --> 00:36:10.099
back to Jesus Christ Most controversial figure

00:36:10.099 --> 00:36:13.079
so controversial you felt like you needed to

00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:16.280
dive into this conspiracy theory You know because

00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:18.500
I keep hearing about him from people, you know,

00:36:18.500 --> 00:36:20.460
what was up with that dude keeps coming up I

00:36:20.460 --> 00:36:22.699
better I better do some investigation and three

00:36:22.699 --> 00:36:25.480
weeks later. You're like, okay, it's true Okay,

00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:27.980
there's a lot of evidence two weeks two weeks.

00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:31.039
I got there real quick. But yeah, you're right.

00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:34.150
We've got to to try to bring this back down to

00:36:34.150 --> 00:36:36.829
the simplicity of the gospel. And it is gospel

00:36:36.829 --> 00:36:40.010
-based. It's not just morality -based. If you

00:36:40.010 --> 00:36:42.610
just base morality on the season you're in, the

00:36:42.610 --> 00:36:46.030
seasons change. Everything changes. But the thing

00:36:46.030 --> 00:36:48.630
about the compass, it has to have a true north.

00:36:49.329 --> 00:36:51.829
And so that's what scripture is. That's what

00:36:51.829 --> 00:36:54.469
belief in Christ is. It's a true north that you

00:36:54.469 --> 00:36:57.730
can always go back to. Even if you abandoned

00:36:57.730 --> 00:37:01.269
it, even if you failed, even if you messed up,

00:37:01.449 --> 00:37:05.170
You can always find true north again. That, you

00:37:05.170 --> 00:37:07.969
see my face go, hmm, because you said true north.

00:37:08.030 --> 00:37:11.949
Now in aviation, we have a compass, and we have

00:37:11.949 --> 00:37:14.769
a magnetic north, and then we have a true north.

00:37:15.030 --> 00:37:18.150
They are not the same thing. Interesting. In

00:37:18.150 --> 00:37:21.449
fact, you have to calibrate. Every airplane in

00:37:21.449 --> 00:37:24.329
the front will have a little deviation chart

00:37:24.329 --> 00:37:28.519
to show you how far the magnetic north is. from

00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:31.519
true north. Which one do you all drive or fly?

00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:34.559
What's your basis? What's your reference point?

00:37:34.579 --> 00:37:37.059
It depends if you're dead reckoning. If you want

00:37:37.059 --> 00:37:40.860
to go straight up, you want to go north as the

00:37:40.860 --> 00:37:43.780
map or you're going towards a coordinate. Oh,

00:37:43.780 --> 00:37:49.239
gotcha. It's really there for, oh Lord, I have

00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:51.519
no idea where I am, but I have this map. I need

00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:55.389
to go true north. versus magnetic north. And

00:37:55.389 --> 00:37:57.969
that magnetic north changes regularly. You know

00:37:57.969 --> 00:38:01.550
how the poles shift? So they change regularly

00:38:01.550 --> 00:38:04.389
and that is always posted in the aircraft. So

00:38:04.389 --> 00:38:07.789
the analogy for me is, you know, here's the magnetic

00:38:07.789 --> 00:38:10.349
north, which is pulling me towards what I believe

00:38:10.349 --> 00:38:14.329
is north, but it's not actually true north. That

00:38:14.329 --> 00:38:17.829
just dawned on me. For me, Jesus Christ is that.

00:38:18.050 --> 00:38:20.809
That's who and what I come back to. I come back

00:38:20.809 --> 00:38:23.739
to the gospel. That's the what. the good news

00:38:23.739 --> 00:38:27.500
of who He is. That's the message. The who is

00:38:27.500 --> 00:38:32.440
Him. I come back to Him and it's always come

00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:36.960
back and say, here I am, Lord, again. Again,

00:38:37.659 --> 00:38:40.000
I'm the persistent widow banging on the door.

00:38:41.539 --> 00:38:45.420
Lord, I just need to recalibrate. I do that often.

00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:49.719
That's an ongoing thing for me. You know, our

00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:52.500
grandparents had those old rusty bottom scales,

00:38:52.500 --> 00:38:54.500
you know, in the bathrooms. Remember that? Oh,

00:38:54.500 --> 00:38:58.699
yeah. You didn't want to stand on it. Yeah. Then

00:38:58.699 --> 00:39:00.739
if you had to calibrate it, which they were never

00:39:00.739 --> 00:39:03.500
right, you know, you're like, what am I? Crusty

00:39:03.500 --> 00:39:06.920
dial. Why is it rusted? There's a visual for

00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:08.739
you. Yeah. So, you know, there's that. And so

00:39:08.739 --> 00:39:12.340
there's a recalibration that as believers we

00:39:12.340 --> 00:39:14.639
have to do. And I think that movie did that for

00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.900
me. It was like... Take a pause here and go.

00:39:18.019 --> 00:39:21.260
Okay. Am I really flying towards true north?

00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:24.000
Or am I just moving with magnetic north wherever

00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:26.280
it happens to be at the time? I haven't even

00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:30.000
considered this one. What an analogy it is Yeah,

00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:32.780
so that that's what that movie did for me. It

00:39:32.780 --> 00:39:35.820
doesn't made me recalibrate and make sure I'm

00:39:35.820 --> 00:39:38.179
I'm on to dead or rights as you said that I'm

00:39:38.179 --> 00:39:41.840
on and That's where I'm gonna go. Okay, I'm back.

00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:44.579
So it was good for me still good for me. I'm

00:39:44.579 --> 00:39:48.789
still really reveling in it a little bit, in

00:39:48.789 --> 00:39:51.610
a good way. No, I have to say. And yet the movie

00:39:51.610 --> 00:39:54.969
was pretty cheesy. I mean, special effects were

00:39:54.969 --> 00:39:58.030
hysterical, but I liked it. I'd say it was five

00:39:58.030 --> 00:40:00.550
on the cheese scale. Yeah. I liked it though.

00:40:00.570 --> 00:40:03.389
Yeah. And the cheese factor was kind of good,

00:40:03.929 --> 00:40:07.690
especially when our subject was going through

00:40:07.690 --> 00:40:11.250
his adventure. That kind of made it even more.

00:40:11.369 --> 00:40:14.230
It did. It did. Relatable to me. Paul Rodriguez,

00:40:14.469 --> 00:40:16.909
another famous act. Paul, he's the comedian.

00:40:16.909 --> 00:40:18.889
Yeah, yeah, he was in there. He was Eddie. Eddie.

00:40:20.170 --> 00:40:23.030
Fun Eddie. Paul, I just remembered, I want to

00:40:23.030 --> 00:40:26.349
mention, just throwing back to World Cup, you

00:40:26.349 --> 00:40:28.329
know, the Netherlands is not a very faithful

00:40:28.329 --> 00:40:32.050
country anymore, but it was so beautiful to see

00:40:32.050 --> 00:40:35.769
a Dutch player who scored a goal. I think Somerville

00:40:35.769 --> 00:40:38.429
is his name. I can't remember. And so they have

00:40:38.429 --> 00:40:40.670
a close -up of him as he's, you know, and he

00:40:40.670 --> 00:40:44.400
goes up, two arms up like this, looking up, pointing

00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:47.139
towards heaven, and his whole arm was tattooed

00:40:47.139 --> 00:40:52.059
child of God. Wow. And I just love that. Love

00:40:52.059 --> 00:40:54.179
to see stuff like that. God is everywhere. He's

00:40:54.179 --> 00:40:57.460
all over the world. He's moving. He is moving.

00:40:57.739 --> 00:41:01.119
He's even moving in our vice president who wrote

00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:04.019
a book about his faith journey. I heard about

00:41:04.019 --> 00:41:08.860
this. I always thought like, wow, man, I came

00:41:08.860 --> 00:41:12.820
out of the the atheist closet on the Joe Rogan

00:41:12.820 --> 00:41:14.659
show. It's a little different when you're vice

00:41:14.659 --> 00:41:16.599
president, you know, and you say, hey, by the

00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:19.460
way, I'm a believer. Another level. And it's

00:41:19.460 --> 00:41:21.000
interesting because he has an interfaith marriage.

00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:24.739
His wife is a Hindu. Right. And I just pulled

00:41:24.739 --> 00:41:26.739
two clips from this interview they did together

00:41:26.739 --> 00:41:30.659
just to hear another believer. And it's wonderful

00:41:30.659 --> 00:41:33.539
to just hear how easy he is to speak about it.

00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:39.329
This is on CBS. You dedicate this book to Usha.

00:41:39.429 --> 00:41:42.110
You write about her extensively in the book.

00:41:42.670 --> 00:41:46.289
Sure. Why was she so pivotal to your journey

00:41:46.289 --> 00:41:50.269
to faith? Well, because one, she was the person

00:41:50.269 --> 00:41:54.070
who encouraged me most to do it. Usha said very

00:41:54.070 --> 00:41:55.969
early on that the business of thinking about

00:41:55.969 --> 00:41:58.960
my faith, thinking about converting, was good

00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:01.260
for me. And so I think that her encouragement

00:42:01.260 --> 00:42:03.840
was one of the things that needed to happen because

00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:06.480
when I started dating I was sort of a proud atheist.

00:42:06.579 --> 00:42:09.159
I was kind of skeptical of religion and skeptical

00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:11.500
of religious people. And when I started thinking

00:42:11.500 --> 00:42:14.039
to myself, you know, I might want to start going

00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:16.829
back to church. One of the big concerns I had

00:42:16.829 --> 00:42:18.829
was, well, Usha didn't really sign up for this.

00:42:18.949 --> 00:42:20.789
She didn't sign up for church every Sunday. She

00:42:20.789 --> 00:42:23.289
didn't sign up for a person who was a very devout

00:42:23.289 --> 00:42:25.590
Christian. And so I was worried that you were

00:42:25.590 --> 00:42:28.469
going to be not supportive of that journey. But

00:42:28.469 --> 00:42:30.670
she was very supportive of the journey in ways

00:42:30.670 --> 00:42:35.059
that big and small. She's supportive in the sense

00:42:35.059 --> 00:42:37.539
that when we take three little kids to church,

00:42:37.619 --> 00:42:39.699
they're always misbehaved. And so, you know,

00:42:39.699 --> 00:42:42.079
she's one of the two people, including me, who's

00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:44.039
trying to deal with that. But she was supportive

00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.659
in, I think, more philosophical, almost theological

00:42:46.659 --> 00:42:49.380
ways. She just kept on talking about the way

00:42:49.380 --> 00:42:52.079
in which thinking about these things fundamentally

00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:55.820
made me a better person. This interfaith thing

00:42:55.820 --> 00:42:58.860
I thought was really interesting. Yeah. Because

00:42:58.860 --> 00:43:02.670
we have in our church, certainly, men and women

00:43:02.670 --> 00:43:06.309
whose spouse aren't believers and don't come

00:43:06.309 --> 00:43:10.309
to church with them. And I just love hearing

00:43:10.309 --> 00:43:12.730
how they support each other. And she doesn't

00:43:12.730 --> 00:43:15.750
really talk much about her faith or her beliefs.

00:43:15.750 --> 00:43:19.210
It's really his book. But he or she is talking

00:43:19.210 --> 00:43:21.670
about that in our second clip. So much of the

00:43:21.670 --> 00:43:24.369
Vice President's new book is about his journey

00:43:24.369 --> 00:43:27.409
from being this person who was vaguely atheist

00:43:27.409 --> 00:43:31.829
to being a practicing Roman Catholic today. We

00:43:31.829 --> 00:43:34.590
know him today as he is, as Vice President of

00:43:34.590 --> 00:43:36.909
the United States, a practicing Catholic. You

00:43:36.909 --> 00:43:40.250
knew him when he was this other person, as he

00:43:40.250 --> 00:43:43.190
describes himself. What was he like then, and

00:43:43.190 --> 00:43:46.250
how drastic is this change to who he is today

00:43:46.250 --> 00:43:52.070
in terms of faith? called himself an atheist

00:43:52.070 --> 00:43:55.570
or maybe an agnostic at the time, but he had

00:43:55.570 --> 00:43:59.789
been raised in a sort of varied evangelical faith

00:43:59.789 --> 00:44:02.449
tradition. So it's not like that wasn't a part

00:44:02.449 --> 00:44:05.869
of the way that he thought about the world. In

00:44:05.869 --> 00:44:08.469
some ways, being an atheist was kind of a separation

00:44:08.469 --> 00:44:11.329
from what had come before, but it still came

00:44:11.329 --> 00:44:14.989
through. His past, his background, and the foundation

00:44:14.989 --> 00:44:16.610
that he got from his grandmother still came through.

00:44:16.869 --> 00:44:20.460
So there are a lot of continuities. That said,

00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:23.900
I think he's more reflective at this stage of

00:44:23.900 --> 00:44:25.840
life. Some of that just comes with age, with

00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:29.139
fatherhood, with maturity and sort of seeing

00:44:29.139 --> 00:44:31.119
how the world developed. But some of it comes

00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:35.880
with religion and what it demands of him. And

00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:38.900
I do think that that is really valuable, both

00:44:38.900 --> 00:44:40.900
in our personal relationship, he's maybe more

00:44:40.900 --> 00:44:44.559
reflective in our conversations about what's

00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:46.739
happening in our marriage, what we think about

00:44:46.739 --> 00:44:54.179
things. He's also just more comfortable, I would

00:44:54.179 --> 00:44:57.460
say, in himself today than he was then when he

00:44:57.460 --> 00:44:59.019
felt like he was searching for something and

00:44:59.019 --> 00:45:01.219
didn't know what it was. He feels like he has

00:45:01.219 --> 00:45:03.559
found that something in a very meaningful way,

00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:05.420
and that's really nice. That's something that

00:45:05.420 --> 00:45:07.880
you want for someone that you love. And I thought

00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:11.159
this was encouraging because what you don't hear

00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:14.710
is... The one spouse saying to the other, you've

00:45:14.710 --> 00:45:16.809
got to convert to this. You've got to be like

00:45:16.809 --> 00:45:19.010
this. You've got to come to church with me. They're

00:45:19.010 --> 00:45:21.050
supportive of each other, but she recognizes

00:45:21.050 --> 00:45:24.369
how he's changed. Yeah. And I really like that.

00:45:24.489 --> 00:45:25.929
I thought that was encouraging. That was really

00:45:25.929 --> 00:45:28.909
well done. And she's sharp. Boy, she's sharp.

00:45:29.469 --> 00:45:32.969
I'd seen that in some earlier things. You know,

00:45:33.230 --> 00:45:37.168
irregardless of her faith background, I was like...

00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:40.780
She's she's I can see how she slayed him. Oh,

00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:44.119
yeah. Oh, yeah He's sharp too, but he's a little

00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:47.480
more rural colloquial, you know, she's just man

00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:50.440
spot -on that was really boy That was a love

00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:53.000
her heart and that mm -hmm, you know, she even

00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:55.599
tried to drive him towards something She wanted

00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:58.679
him to find his way. Yes. Yes, and that's and

00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:01.579
that's just a lesson for us all I mean, I'm I'm

00:46:01.579 --> 00:46:04.000
so blessed that Tina and I are on this journey

00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:08.650
together and we think We thank Jesus every night

00:46:08.650 --> 00:46:10.409
for being right in the center of our marriage,

00:46:10.889 --> 00:46:16.469
man. We were good, but now we're great. Even

00:46:16.469 --> 00:46:20.849
in the hard times. It's amazing how a disagreement

00:46:20.849 --> 00:46:23.630
or an argument often can be stopped by saying,

00:46:24.449 --> 00:46:26.730
this is the enemy. Do you see what's happening

00:46:26.730 --> 00:46:29.789
here? Let's just recognize that and you know

00:46:29.789 --> 00:46:35.179
what? It's like that old record skip sound. Okay.

00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:37.519
All right. It's abrupt, but you realize, wait

00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:39.380
a minute. Okay. Where's it coming from? And we

00:46:39.380 --> 00:46:41.800
have to ask ourselves too, what mindset are we

00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:44.780
thinking from? Are we defaulting to our upbringing

00:46:44.780 --> 00:46:47.980
and where we were informed about that? Or are

00:46:47.980 --> 00:46:51.579
we defaulting to who we are now in Christ? 2

00:46:51.579 --> 00:46:55.820
.0. Yeah. Am I acting at 1 .0 or am I 2 .0? No,

00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:58.920
no, no. Wait. We got to behave like we're 2 .0.

00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:02.599
And it's a constant reorientation. Reminder,

00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:05.599
reminder, reminder, reminder. Ongoing, because

00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:09.219
it is easy to default. I was talking to my son,

00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:12.860
who's a pastor of a growing multicultural church

00:47:12.860 --> 00:47:16.079
in Houston. Go figure, Houston, right? Six million

00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:18.679
people. I mean, you talk about an international

00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:21.780
city, and he loves doing it. But he told me yesterday,

00:47:21.820 --> 00:47:24.019
he said, Dad, it's hard. And I said, what do

00:47:24.019 --> 00:47:29.860
you mean? He said, even though we we've all to

00:47:29.860 --> 00:47:33.119
a degree laid down who we were to become who

00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:37.280
we are in Christ. I stopped him. I said, so you

00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:39.239
mean when the heat and the pressure is on, there's

00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:42.800
a tendency to default to our cultural core? And

00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:45.940
he said, yeah. He said, that's the struggle.

00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:48.400
And I said, but won't that be the struggle the

00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:51.719
rest of our lives to fight against the old man

00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:54.559
so that we can become the new man, the old woman

00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:56.420
so we can become the new woman, the new child

00:47:56.420 --> 00:48:00.690
in God? And there's that constant tension. And

00:48:00.690 --> 00:48:03.090
I said, Chris, that tension will never go away.

00:48:03.670 --> 00:48:09.489
Yeah. It'll always be there. What's hard is when

00:48:09.489 --> 00:48:12.289
Tina and I, if we default into something like

00:48:12.289 --> 00:48:17.110
that, is to with love say, maybe you want to

00:48:17.110 --> 00:48:19.469
look at this from, I've never said it this way,

00:48:19.550 --> 00:48:24.369
but from a 2 .0 version. And she's actually much

00:48:24.369 --> 00:48:28.019
better at that than I am. And that's always the

00:48:28.019 --> 00:48:30.119
challenge when someone is stuck there and like,

00:48:30.260 --> 00:48:34.599
well, maybe look at it from this angle. I'm just

00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:36.760
saying it's not easy. Let me be real with you.

00:48:36.900 --> 00:48:39.019
I mean, you've been at this a little bit less

00:48:39.019 --> 00:48:41.960
than I have time -wise, but it's still there.

00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.139
It's still a struggle. Remember Paul, he says,

00:48:45.579 --> 00:48:48.219
I want to do this, but I do this. Then I want

00:48:48.219 --> 00:48:50.139
to do this, but I end up doing this. He says,

00:48:50.860 --> 00:48:53.400
oh, what a wretch I am. I mean, he's just like

00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:57.199
crying out to God. I'm so... conflicted. And

00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:01.219
that's when he says, when God says, but his grace

00:49:01.219 --> 00:49:04.900
is sufficient. His grace is enough. And that's

00:49:04.900 --> 00:49:07.639
when we lean into and go, okay, I'm not a finished

00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:11.920
work yet. I'm finished, but I'm being finished.

00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:14.440
I'm complete, but I'm being complete. And you

00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.940
know, this is both. Yeah. At the same time, that's

00:49:17.940 --> 00:49:20.940
the Eastern mindset and that's where this all

00:49:20.940 --> 00:49:25.619
comes out of. So, yeah, yeah. I have, actually

00:49:25.619 --> 00:49:27.900
I had like a four clip series, which I'm not

00:49:27.900 --> 00:49:30.199
going to do. And I was kind of going to tie it

00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:39.820
to the movie. It's old from 1978. It's a pastor,

00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:42.260
Neil Maxwell. And he was kind of talking about,

00:49:42.260 --> 00:49:46.019
if you've heard of him, he was predicting what

00:49:46.019 --> 00:49:48.900
would happen in the future. So, you know, this

00:49:48.900 --> 00:49:51.579
is why it ties into our whole conversation. And

00:49:51.579 --> 00:49:55.130
what you just said, I was going to skip it. But

00:49:55.130 --> 00:49:57.949
I will play the last clip. Thank you. Please

00:49:57.949 --> 00:50:01.590
do. Yeah, you got me going. You can't not do

00:50:01.590 --> 00:50:06.210
it now. I think the ending is pertinent to what

00:50:06.210 --> 00:50:08.409
you were just saying. If the challenge of the

00:50:08.409 --> 00:50:11.969
secular church becomes very real, let us as in

00:50:11.969 --> 00:50:15.170
all other human relationships be principled,

00:50:15.309 --> 00:50:18.929
but pleasant. Let us be perceptive without being

00:50:18.929 --> 00:50:23.300
pompous. Let us have integrity. and not write

00:50:23.300 --> 00:50:26.099
checks with our tongues which our conduct cannot

00:50:26.099 --> 00:50:30.400
cash. Let us be humble and not try to magnify

00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:33.699
our calling by shrinking the calling of others.

00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:37.300
Before the ultimate victory of the forces of

00:50:37.300 --> 00:50:39.739
righteousness, some skirmishes will be lost.

00:50:40.380 --> 00:50:44.340
Even these, however, must leave a record so that

00:50:44.340 --> 00:50:47.019
the choices before the people were clear and

00:50:47.019 --> 00:50:49.639
let others do as they will in the face of prophetic

00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:53.210
counsel. There will also be times, happily, when

00:50:53.210 --> 00:50:56.250
a minor defeat seems probable, but others will

00:50:56.250 --> 00:50:59.250
step forward, having been rallied to rightness

00:50:59.250 --> 00:51:03.369
by what we do. We will know the joy, on occasion,

00:51:04.130 --> 00:51:07.170
of having awakened a slumbering majority of the

00:51:07.170 --> 00:51:10.949
decent people of all races and creeds, a majority

00:51:10.949 --> 00:51:13.949
which was, till then, unconscious of itself.

00:51:14.849 --> 00:51:17.590
Jesus said that when the fig trees put forth

00:51:17.590 --> 00:51:21.820
their leaves, summer is nigh. Thus warned that

00:51:21.820 --> 00:51:24.900
summer is upon us. Let us not then complain of

00:51:24.900 --> 00:51:28.619
the heat." I love that ending. I love the ending

00:51:28.619 --> 00:51:30.460
of that. Man, that is rich. Isn't that good?

00:51:30.820 --> 00:51:33.619
He's weighty with his words. I love that. Yeah.

00:51:33.940 --> 00:51:37.000
That's called economy of words, where he's thought

00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:40.539
through every single one. That's why it survived.

00:51:40.940 --> 00:51:44.039
I just loved at the end, you know, the summer's

00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:46.440
here. Don't complain about the heat. Yeah, it

00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:48.699
kind of goes back to my little thing. Exactly,

00:51:49.219 --> 00:51:51.300
exactly, exactly. Rolling it full circle. Yeah,

00:51:51.460 --> 00:51:53.820
that's so good. Can I end with a scripture? Please

00:51:53.820 --> 00:51:56.980
do. Philippians 1 .27 says this, and this is

00:51:56.980 --> 00:52:00.460
Paul speaking to a church and a group of people

00:52:00.460 --> 00:52:03.519
that he loved. And it's been called a book of

00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:07.659
joy because he says rejoice in it 16 times. So

00:52:07.659 --> 00:52:11.239
he says this, just one thing, one thing. Live

00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:13.900
your life in a manner worthy of the gospel of

00:52:13.900 --> 00:52:17.659
Christ. Just one thing. That's it. There it is.

00:52:17.699 --> 00:52:19.900
That's so good. That's right back to where we

00:52:19.900 --> 00:52:22.920
started about keeping it simple and getting back

00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:26.340
to what matters. And you know what matters is

00:52:26.340 --> 00:52:28.679
how we treat one another. It's how we treat our

00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:32.739
neighbor. It's how we treat the person on the

00:52:32.739 --> 00:52:36.300
road that cuts us off. Yeah. You have a choice

00:52:36.300 --> 00:52:38.860
to make. And we have these choices every day

00:52:38.860 --> 00:52:41.349
of how we're going to respond and how we're going

00:52:41.349 --> 00:52:44.590
to treat people. I think just being a good Christian

00:52:44.590 --> 00:52:48.409
starts with that, how we treat one another. When

00:52:48.409 --> 00:52:51.309
we can see each other as a child of God, this

00:52:51.309 --> 00:52:54.929
is a person for whom Christ died. She's a person

00:52:54.929 --> 00:52:59.269
for whom Christ died. They may be standing there

00:52:59.269 --> 00:53:01.929
yelling in your face with a picket sign or something,

00:53:02.289 --> 00:53:04.369
throwing a bullhorn or something. That's a really

00:53:04.369 --> 00:53:07.769
good visual. That is a person for whom Christ

00:53:07.769 --> 00:53:12.300
died. And if I can see them that way, what Bill

00:53:12.300 --> 00:53:16.019
Loveless called seeing in 3D, I can get past

00:53:16.019 --> 00:53:18.420
what's being presented here to see that there's

00:53:18.420 --> 00:53:20.860
a human being back there. And when you do that,

00:53:21.380 --> 00:53:23.460
don't be surprised when you accidentally call

00:53:23.460 --> 00:53:25.940
someone honey or darling. That's right. It's

00:53:25.940 --> 00:53:30.179
a term of endearment. All right, brother. That's

00:53:30.179 --> 00:53:32.659
it. We'll be back next week because we get to

00:53:32.659 --> 00:53:43.369
do this. We get to do this This is a chance we

00:53:43.369 --> 00:53:49.610
did not miss This is life We get to do this