We Get To Do This - Islamophobia

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Abba Father, we are grateful, Adam and I, that

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we get to come and do this today. We get to do

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this. It's a privilege to do it. We don't look

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at it as an entitlement or a riot, but a get

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-to. And we don't got to, either, to use bad

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grammar, but we get to do this. Thank you, Father,

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for your presence, even as we talk and discuss

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and talk about what's going on in our world and,

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Father, where we find the crossroads. between

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culture and Christianity. We commit this to you.

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We consecrate it to you. We pray for our amazing

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listeners and just the amazing feedback we've

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been getting from them. Father, it is our heart

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for them to grow and to develop and to continue

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on their journey of faith. In Jesus name, we

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honor you. Amen. Amen. It's Wednesday, August

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19th, 2026. We get to do this. This is episode

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number 46. Yes, we do hello get to nation and

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to all the doers out there You did it. I did

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it. I couldn't help myself. It's excellent Hey

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brother, how you doing played? Brother I'm doing

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fantastic as my old boss Dave Ramsey used to

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say better than I deserve. Yeah So Even though

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it sounds like we're right across from each other

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you are on the road once again Appreciate you

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dialing in for for our little podcast here What

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are you doing? We are suffering for Jesus in

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Santa Barbara California The suffering is great.

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Suffering is great brother. Somebody's got to

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do it Well, we were invited to be a part of this

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relatively small gathering of pastors in Santa

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Barbara by TPUSA Faith, their faith division.

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We'd never been to this event. We were invited

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last year and we actually had scheduled to go

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and we traveled so much. I was traveled out and

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we both said, let's not do another event. Let's

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stay home. So we didn't go last year, but this

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year we planned ahead and it's been a fantastic

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experience so far. And we've got, this is the

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last day of it. I think Annette's going to head

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over and she's going to record for me while she's

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not, while I'm not there, then I'll join her

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after this. So, but yeah, it's been great. They've

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had a lot of big lineup of speakers like Eric

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Metaxas and Gosh, it's a long list of people.

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Rick Green's here. We ran into Rick and had a

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good reunion there. And it's always fun to see

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each other outside of our normal environments

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and catch up. And so it's been great. It's been

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already a day and a half, and this is the last

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day. It's like a half day today. And yeah, just

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encouraged, motivated. And the thing that was

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a surprise to me I thought it would be a rah

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rah America and rah rah Donald Trump meeting

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and it has not been that at all. Interesting.

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It has been gospel centric. It's get back and

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preach the gospel. We had pastor Greg Lowry was

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here though on the first night and it was the

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closer for the first night. He got up and nary

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a word about politics or anything. It's like,

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brothers because he's talking to pastors. You

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said relatively small. How many pastors are there?

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Yeah, about 500. It's an intimate group, an intimate

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gathering. Yeah, a tiny group. As you know, we've

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been to a lot of conferences that are big and

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this is a smaller group. And what's so cool about

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it is that they have these dinners, they had

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a reception, so there's a lot of opportunities

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to mix. and connect with people. I've got friends

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here that we didn't know we were all gonna be

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here. So we've had some family reunion moments

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as well with some dear pastors and friends that

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we ministered alongside of a number of years

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ago back in Abilene, Texas. We got to catch up

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with them. But the whole thing, the whole tone

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of it is get back to preaching the Bible. teaching

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your people, making disciples. And if we will

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do that well, our people will indeed be equipped

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to engage culture because you cannot teach the

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Bible without the go therefore. You know what

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I mean? Yes. Go and as you are going. That's

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the cultural piece. And so it has been a great

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surprise because I've been to a lot of raw, raw

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America rallies that just, I'm kind of done with

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that, honestly. I mean, I love my country, but

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but the idea of being gospel -centric and then

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other things spin out of that as opposed to country

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before God. It's God before country. So it's

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all this has been. And honestly, I didn't expect

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that here. And it's been a great surprise. I

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love that. I love that. And of course, today

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on the show, it's going to be a mix of things.

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God, the world and other things, brother. Yes,

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indeed. Yes, indeed. And I kind of got to go

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back to last week as, you know, there was a lot

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going on. There's been a lot going on in my life

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in general. There was a lot going on. People

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yelling on social media and text groups, you

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know, Texas, of course, is, you know, we're under

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complete invasion by Muslims. I keep seeing the

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same map of, you know, 5 ,000 mosques in 24 months.

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You know, absolutely not true, but it just keeps

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on being repeated. And as I'm just observing

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this, I want to say thank you, Holy Spirit, because

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out of the blue, it just hits me. And when we

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talked about this, we went out to dinner Friday

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night, the four of us, for an early birthday

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celebration for me since I won't be here. And

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I was in a straight jacket. Thank you, AI. I

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mean, I came in, I was like, man, we can't talk

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too much about it, but just got to tell you what

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happened and what was on my heart and what the

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words I was hearing and I had to look it up because

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I think we're all, I don't want to say we're

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all because at the same time as I was thinking

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of this, something you said several times throughout

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the past few weeks on the show, either before

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or after or on the show, kept popping up in my

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mind. and it goes back to our brother Muhammad

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in Bahrain who sent a note and And I think we

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are I think on the show It's like hey, we still

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want it. We still want to get him for Jesus and

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you've said this, you know several times Oh,

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man, it would be great to I want to I want to

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tell these people the gospel and so everything

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started to click in my head and Act 17 came up

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And this is verse 22 through 28. And so I'll

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read the New Living Translation, but I have some

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commentary. So Paul standing before the council

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addressed them as follows. Men of Athens, I notice

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you are very religious in every way. So he's

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going into Athens and he's observing first. He's

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like, hey, I noticed something. You guys are

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pretty religious. As for walking along, I saw

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your many shrines and one of your altars had

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this inscription on it to an unknown God. This

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God whom you worship without knowing is the one

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I'm telling you about. So he starts right off

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by talking about their unknown God. So this is

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what an approach he has here. What an unbelievable

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approach. He is the God who made the world and

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everything in it. Since he is Lord in heaven

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and earth, he doesn't live in man -made temples.

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So now he's starting to shape his message a little

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bit and human hands can't serve his needs for

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he has no needs He himself gives life and breath

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to everything and he satisfies every need From

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one man. He created all the nations throughout

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the whole earth. He just and I don't think any

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religion really Disputes that part maybe he decided

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beforehand when they should rise and fall and

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he determined their boundaries His purpose was

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for the nations to seek after God and perhaps

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feel their way toward him and find him Though

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he is not far from any of us and here he comes

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For in him we live and move and exist as some

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of your own poets have said we are his offspring

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and so now he pulls out their their poets not

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his their poets and and I we came to your house

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and like man We're doing this wrong. We've got

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to go after these people. And so we didn't talk

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too much about it. We tried to restrain because

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we want to keep it fresh for the show. But then

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on Sunday, you delivered such an amazing message

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in the cultural briefing part of the Reborn series

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that you're doing. I had to pull a clip just

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so I can share that with everybody, because it

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was just so on point, so good. I just want to

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play this. It's about a minute and a half. It's

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so good. We used to think that we needed to get

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on an airplane and spend a lot of money and go

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to the nations to bring the gospel and go on

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a mission trip. But guess what? God is sending

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the nations right here to us. There's a couple

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of ways to see what's happening with Islam in

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our nation right now. You can look at it through

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the eyes of fear. You can look at it through

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the eyes of, oh no, what about our way of life?

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You can look at it as an invasion. But what if,

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stay with me on this, what if God, in his much

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higher ways than ours, is actually saying, if

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you won't go to the Middle East and take Jesus

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to them, I will bring them to you. And I will

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put them in the middle of you. And you have a

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choice. You can hunker down, be afraid, sit in

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your room with your 9 -millimeter Glock, waiting

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for something to happen, or you can go to them

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and show them the love of Jesus. You can show

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them what the real Prince of Peace is about.

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You can show them what it looks like to walk

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into a room so Christ -confident that they're

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shaking and they want to know, what is it about

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your God that's better than ours? God is bringing

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the nations here. So the way you see it, you

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need to shift your perspective. I love Mel in

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the background. He's like, come on preaching.

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And Jill. Oh yeah. Only in Fredericksburg, Texas,

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will you get this kind of message. You can sit

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there with your nine millimeter Glock. So good.

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Everybody there knows what I'm saying. Now, of

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course, I know that a lot of people responded

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after each service. And I think a lot of people

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were very encouraged by it. I had lunch with

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coffee with Matt Long yesterday here in town.

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Matt does the Matt Long show on Hill Country

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radio. It's also a podcast. You can listen to

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one on Hello Fred and the Godcaster. And he's

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like, man, Pastor Jimmy's so right on. What you

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guys are talking about on the show is you're

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right there. He says, but the pushback I'm getting,

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Adam, he says, it's so harsh. Yeah, I know. And

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he has a lot of friends who are politicians and

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he says they're just pushing back and they're

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pushing back and we've got to defend America.

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And so I kind of wanted to unpack how this came

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to be with you and then, you know, how we can

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really look at what you're saying and what I

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completely agree with. I'm close to being over

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-clipped probably, but there's just so much rich

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material out there from people that you and I

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both like and respect. But the first thing Matt

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said to me, he says, you know, Adam, isn't it

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amazing that, and I think you made reference

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to this in your message as well. He says, Israel

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is so six weeks ago. Right. Donald Trump's controlled

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by Israel, Israel, AIPAC, everything is all the

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problem of Israel and the Jews. And then we got

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to talking about it and said, you know, what

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was the thing before that? Oh, before that it

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was the big energy storage system. It was the,

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you know, the big battery with things. It says

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that's gone away. No one talks about that anymore.

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And before that, and before that it was military

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age men from China. They're building an army

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inside our country. Exactly. And Matt says, you

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know, Adam, it's coming up on the midterms. Yep.

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Bingo. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, I think you're

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right, Matt. It's be afraid of Muslims, vote

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Republican. Right. And the Democrats have their

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own message as well, which we'll get to. I'll

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just pause here for a second before I get into

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the PsiOp portion of it for anything you want

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to say, particularly since it was your message

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at the church. Well, where this came from was

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we were informed in our community of an organization

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that had some property that was up for auction

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and they were It didn't take long before someone

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came up with and said, oh, there's a huge Muslim

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organization out of Houston that has put in a

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bid or they're about to put in a bid and they've

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got the money and the resources. And the initial

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reactions that we heard from people were just

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such vitriol, such fear. It was such a visceral

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reaction from people. And it set me back a little

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bit because I began to think. And obviously,

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when you hear something like that at first, it's

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kind of like, whoa, what? You're processing.

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And you know me, I'm a pauser. I tend to pause

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and think. And so I took a pause and just said,

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OK, Lord, what's really going on? And this is

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when a book by Wesley Duhl that I read many years

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ago called, it's about prayer. I'm trying to

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remember the name of the book because it's been

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years since I read. Just re -bought it because

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I wanted to go back over it. But it's basically

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when we pray, we're literally there in that location,

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spiritually speaking. It's called touch the world

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through prayer. And it's a mentality of what

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we pray matters and what we do moves the needle.

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And so I was thinking about that and it just

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hit me. What if And Annette and I talked about

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this as well. What if God, in His much higher

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ways than ours, as I said in church on Sunday,

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because His ways are higher than ours, they're

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too much to understand. What if God is saying,

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I'm going to bring the nations to you and I'm

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going to put them right smack in the middle of

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an academy, of a place that has been prayed over,

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believed over, the land has been... anointed

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with oil. There's Bibles buried there. Exactly.

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What if I drop a bunch of young people from another

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religion in that spot? And what if they're there

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to learn from you and see you and observe you

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and see that the Prince of Peace is really with

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you? And so I had a different take on it. Now,

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let me be clear on this. What I'm not saying

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is that we need to just go drop everything and

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say, all right, let's just go walk into the middle

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of them and preach Jesus. No, there is a real

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threat. There are things that we need to be aware

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of, we need to be wise about, we need to be strategic

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about. But my thing is, let's not, as to use

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your words, set our hair on fire and go with

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these emotional responses. Let's go with a biblical

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and a godly response. Holy Spirit, what would

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you have us do? And at that point, we say, yes,

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Lord, and now we are under the lordship of Christ,

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not under the lordship of our emotions and our

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flesh. So that was my whole point of bringing

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what I did to the church. I knew it could very

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possibly not be popular, but God didn't call

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me to preach what's popular or what would get

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out of boys or, yeah, stay on that preacher.

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I'm a truth teller. He called me to be a clarion

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voice of truth. And so I knew it was going to

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cross -cut. I told one guy, I said, I feel like

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I was petting a cat backwards, rubbing the fur

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the wrong way. It was like, what are you doing?

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That doesn't feel good at all. Just rubbing the

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fur the wrong way. But I didn't do it to be grandstanding

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or anything. I did it to call, prophetically

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call our people back in the style of the Old

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Testament prophets who would speak into culture

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and into power. and call them back to the word

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of God, call them back to radical faith, radical

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Christianity, not some cultural Christianity

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that just goes with the flow and has blue or

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red on their carb to say, this is who I am. Who

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we are is not red or blue. Who we are are sons

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and daughters of the most high God. He is who

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we obey. He is who we follow. Not the latest

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cultural trend craze or political cultural trend

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or faith. So I just wanted to be clear about

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that. Am I concerned about what we're seeing

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across the country? Am I concerned what we see

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in Michigan and Detroit and Chicago? Yeah, I

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am. I'd be a fool not to be. But I'm not going

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to go start a dumpster fire just on my emotions.

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I've learned the hard way at the age I'm at right

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now. Every time I've acted on my initial response

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or reaction in terms of emotions, it's usually

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ended bad. And I've had to learn how to pause.

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So I want to get to the psychological operation

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part of it, because you're absolutely right.

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And there's no denying Plano, McKinney, Dearborn.

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There's no denying that. There's no denying what

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people are seeing. But scale is always very difficult

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when you're looking at on a phone size screen.

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True. The actual scale of how many mosques versus

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churches or synagogues or temples is quite minute,

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but you get stuff, you get into the algo and

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things start popping up. Because I'm on board

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with everything you're saying, particularly once

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Act 17 hit me, I'm like, oh, we're doing this

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the wrong way. What people will throw out is,

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yeah, tell that to the 250 ,000 rape victims

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in the UK. That has been thrown out. Yeah. So

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when you throw me a 262 page report, guess what?

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I'm going to read it. And what you see 111 times

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is the word Muslim, but it's always followed

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by the word Pakistanis, Muslim Pakistanis. What

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happened in Northern England, which has been

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touted as we're next, we have two years before

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it's here, is not, I don't even think it's a

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Muslim problem. It may just be a policing and

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justice problem. And so this report, now this

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has been going on for years and years and years

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and has been completely ignored. It turns out

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that judges and police officers and child protective

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services, they were involved in these gangs.

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I mean, I have a top line kind of number of what

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was going on there, just to give you an example

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of the scale of what was happening in the UK

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regarding Well, let's talk now about this rape

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gang inquiry that has been published. Rupert

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Lowe raised £600 ,000 from a crowd funder and

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put together a very comprehensive inquiry, actually,

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the evidence. found how in the inquiries view

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police discouraged victims, destroyed evidence,

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and in some cases were active members of networks

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when it came to rape gangs. Social care placed

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children into homes that became hubs for traffickers.

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The NHS failed to act on obvious signs of sexual

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abuse and even sent children back to their abusers.

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Schools ignored clear safeguarding concerns and

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instead punished and excluded victims. We have

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found, the press release says, evidence that

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the same unspeakable crimes occurred in at least

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149 local authority districts, close to 40 %

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of all such districts across the United Kingdom.

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Hard arduous 16 months and I want to thank everybody

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And I hope that every member of the British public

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has the time to read this. It's not straightforward.

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It will take time but It needs to be understood

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and it needs to be dealt with and dealt with

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now a hundred and forty nine districts I mean

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wow, this was a failure of a system which has

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nothing to do with with religion. This is purely

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a gang. Just like in the Netherlands, there's

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the Moroccans. No one says the Muslims in Holland,

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by the way. They say the Moroccans run the macro

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mafia. In Minneapolis, it's the Somalis. Turns

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out they're also Muslim, but people understand

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these are gangs. This is organized crime. When

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you talk with people about this, they will sometimes

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say, hey look, I'm not an Islamophobe. And to

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that I say, you're right. Because Islamophobia,

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the definition is an irrational fear of Islam.

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You have a very rational fear based upon the

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information you're being presented with. And

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based on history. Yes, exactly, based on history

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as well. Now there is... Now, I think people

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say that because there has been a thread of conversation,

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which I also don't think is entirely true. And

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we're really talking about the UK now. It's a

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very different system. I mean, there are a lot

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of problems in the UK. that people didn't want

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to bring it up because they were afraid of being

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called racist, Islamophobes, etc. Right. And

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that is very possible, but at this scale, I kind

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of doubt it. I have one more quick clip about

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that. How and why have we been so reticent to

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come to these conclusions before? Is it simply

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fear of being called racist? Because that has

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manifested itself in lots of different ways.

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It's not just about people not calling it out

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and saying these things. It's also manifested

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itself in lots of different ways of essentially

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saying, well, I don't want to be called racist,

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therefore I won't raise a child safeguarding

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concern. I won't refer this to social services

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or it will be missed or put down the priority

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level by social services, by healthcare, by education.

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I mean, this is a multifaceted, systematic failure

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of, we're talking about, I mean, what is alleged

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to be a quarter of a million women and girls

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in this country in 149 local authority districts,

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close to 40 % of all districts in the United

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Kingdom. Now, even if it were so that people

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were just afraid to say anything because they'd

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been so beaten down with socialist views, very

00:24:44.470 --> 00:24:48.710
leftist views, you can't be, you know, name calling,

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Islamophobe, racist, etc. I'm pretty sure here

00:24:52.190 --> 00:24:56.319
in America That train left a long time ago. President

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Trump broke the DEI mold. You barely even hear

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that anymore. So for that reason alone, I don't

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think anything of this scale could happen. And

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it's kind of just a false equivalency to throw

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that out and say, if we don't do something, here's

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the result. Right. And I've heard both sides

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of that spectrum. from radical to more rational,

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to more of a central thing. And I think I would

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fall more of a central where I want to live aware.

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I want to live with my eyes wide open. I want

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to continue to watch and monitor as best as possible

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what's happening. I think there are concerns,

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I think, of what's happening. Dearborn has definitely

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become the poster child for that. Again, to me,

00:25:48.029 --> 00:25:51.289
it's not so much about whether we're being invaded

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or not, or whether there's an intentional agenda,

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because I think that goes without question. There

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is. Again, from history, know the pattern. We

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see it's actually very predictable in those terms

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if you look down through history and where they've

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been all over the world and what their MO is.

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So there's a clear and the Imams are very clear

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about that. They don't hold anything back in

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terms of their intentions. What I'm concerned

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about more than that is the reactions of people

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who say they are followers of Christ. People

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who say they believe that God's on the throne.

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He's not left the building. Elvis did leave the

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building. God has not. He's still on the throne.

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So I'm more concerned from a gospel centric perspective,

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not a political slash political religious perspective.

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So my commentary from Sunday was geared more

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towards how we're responding to it than whether

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it is happening or not. Does that make sense?

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Absolutely. But I feel like a lot of people miss

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that because I did get some not so nice responses.

00:27:01.230 --> 00:27:04.089
just straight up. Because people, once I said

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the very first thing, they didn't hear the rest

00:27:06.450 --> 00:27:09.809
of what I said. They tuned out. They missed the

00:27:09.809 --> 00:27:12.309
message. Because they've already bought into

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a narrative. They've already bought into a PSYOP.

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And I agree with you, Adam, we're approaching

00:27:19.170 --> 00:27:21.630
the midterms. You've been saying this for months.

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Get ready, fasten your seat belts, midterms are

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coming. It always gets nuts. And I believe that

00:27:29.609 --> 00:27:35.190
This is being leveraged by both sides. It's like,

00:27:35.309 --> 00:27:37.349
hey, we have found something that is a hot button

00:27:37.349 --> 00:27:40.630
in everybody's heart, more than transphobia,

00:27:41.410 --> 00:27:46.049
more than LGBTQ. This one is scarier than all

00:27:46.049 --> 00:27:49.109
of them put together, and both sides are leveraging

00:27:49.109 --> 00:27:52.069
this for their ends to get people elected, no

00:27:52.069 --> 00:27:55.789
doubt. On that note, there is legislation and

00:27:55.789 --> 00:27:59.490
I agree with 99 % of it and I'm glad that this

00:27:59.490 --> 00:28:04.529
is taking place. Launched in December 2025 by

00:28:04.529 --> 00:28:07.250
Texas representatives, Keith Self and Chip Roy,

00:28:07.369 --> 00:28:11.630
our very own Chip Roy here, is the Sharia Free

00:28:11.630 --> 00:28:14.950
America Caucus. And I have a couple of clips

00:28:14.950 --> 00:28:19.240
from Keith, representative Self. talking about

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the caucus, how big it is, and what their plans

00:28:21.900 --> 00:28:25.299
are. Mr. Speaker, I rise today with my colleagues

00:28:25.299 --> 00:28:28.839
from the Sharia Free America Caucus, which my

00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:32.099
good friend and fellow Texan, Congressman Chip

00:28:32.099 --> 00:28:36.660
Roy and I proudly chair. Just today, we added

00:28:36.660 --> 00:28:40.359
our 60th member. I am delighted to announce that

00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:44.160
the caucus now has representation from 25 states

00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:47.839
across the United States, which is half. of all

00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:51.660
the states in this union. America was founded

00:28:51.660 --> 00:28:55.400
on a timeless principle, individual freedom secured

00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:58.839
by self -government under a clear and supreme

00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:02.680
rule of constitutional law. As John Adams warned,

00:29:02.900 --> 00:29:05.920
our constitution was made only for a moral and

00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:08.299
religious people. It is wholly inadequate to

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the government of any other. Good little preamble,

00:29:12.339 --> 00:29:15.119
and I had not even heard of the Sharia Free America

00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.170
Caucus. I haven't heard of it either. I presume

00:29:18.170 --> 00:29:22.589
we'll hear about it closer to November. But they

00:29:22.589 --> 00:29:25.690
have good intentions here. Today we witness the

00:29:25.690 --> 00:29:29.069
painful truth of those words. Multitudes arrive

00:29:29.069 --> 00:29:31.869
at our borders with no intention of assimilating

00:29:31.869 --> 00:29:35.210
into our culture or embracing the founding principles

00:29:35.210 --> 00:29:38.950
of liberty under the U .S. Constitution. The

00:29:38.950 --> 00:29:43.519
clash is not new. In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and

00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:46.319
John Adams asked the ambassador from Tripoli

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why his nation attacked peaceful countries with

00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:52.480
no provocation. He replied that it was their

00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:55.960
right and duty under their laws of the Prophet

00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:59.259
of the Quran to make war on all who do not acknowledge

00:29:59.259 --> 00:30:02.660
Islamic authority, to enslave prisoners, and

00:30:02.660 --> 00:30:05.940
that every fighter slain would go to paradise.

00:30:06.579 --> 00:30:11.000
This was then and remains today a stark contrast

00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:14.319
of civilizations, one rooted in submission and

00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:18.240
domination, the other in individual liberty under

00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:20.779
constitutional law. And this, I think, is even

00:30:20.779 --> 00:30:24.000
the genesis of our Navy, the Tripoli attacks.

00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:27.339
Yeah, and that was very clearly said. That was

00:30:27.339 --> 00:30:29.779
everything he just said is what I understand

00:30:29.779 --> 00:30:35.180
to be as accurate. And he brings up there immigration.

00:30:35.529 --> 00:30:39.490
And this is where I'm 100 % on board. We determine

00:30:39.490 --> 00:30:42.309
who comes into our country. Every country determines

00:30:42.309 --> 00:30:44.069
who comes into their country. You want to go

00:30:44.069 --> 00:30:47.089
to Australia? You literally have to be a rocket

00:30:47.089 --> 00:30:50.809
scientist or have $5 million. That's Australian

00:30:50.809 --> 00:30:52.569
dollars. I think that's about a buck 50 here

00:30:52.569 --> 00:30:57.690
in the States, but still. The countries get to

00:30:57.690 --> 00:31:01.480
determine any country sovereign. I don't like

00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:04.720
the way you smell. It doesn't matter to me. If

00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:06.980
we want to create those laws and we all agree

00:31:06.980 --> 00:31:10.920
on it, that's okay. I'm totally okay with that.

00:31:11.220 --> 00:31:13.819
And this is also what President Trump did. No,

00:31:13.940 --> 00:31:16.980
stop. You're not coming in. Borders are closed.

00:31:17.380 --> 00:31:20.460
We're making it complicated. Took a page out

00:31:20.460 --> 00:31:22.720
of the Australian playbook. Hey, you can get

00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:25.680
a gold card if you come here with a million bucks.

00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:30.039
I'm okay with all that and Europe and particularly

00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:33.880
the UK have not done that. Their borders are

00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.000
open, their internal borders are open and that's

00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:38.940
why it's a mess and it's been that way for 30

00:31:38.940 --> 00:31:42.779
years at minimum. Yeah, great observation Adam.

00:31:43.339 --> 00:31:45.880
I'm right on there with you. It comes back to

00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:47.839
me for this and this is a simple way of saying

00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:50.099
it, but I'm a simple man so I hope it resonates

00:31:50.099 --> 00:31:53.500
with people. When people come to America, knowing

00:31:53.500 --> 00:31:56.299
what I know about our history, and I have become

00:31:56.299 --> 00:32:00.099
a huge history nerd, still young in it and learning,

00:32:00.259 --> 00:32:03.000
I wish I'd done this 20 years ago, 30 years ago,

00:32:03.019 --> 00:32:05.380
but still learning, but what I understand, and

00:32:05.380 --> 00:32:08.000
you know I've had many conversations, when a

00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:11.539
group of people come to another nation and they

00:32:11.539 --> 00:32:15.559
refuse to assimilate and they refuse and they

00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:19.839
begin to build parallel communities and parallel

00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:23.960
cultures that are not in line with that nation

00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:27.500
they went to, then that to me is dangerous. That

00:32:27.500 --> 00:32:31.640
is where things begin to depart. And I think

00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:37.490
that's been very clearly documented. course right

00:32:37.490 --> 00:32:39.450
now, everything's here on fire, dumpster fire,

00:32:39.470 --> 00:32:42.410
like you say, but I think that is happening.

00:32:42.430 --> 00:32:45.630
And I think it is the intent that is happening.

00:32:45.970 --> 00:32:48.789
So I really appreciate what this, what this man

00:32:48.789 --> 00:32:51.789
just said in this, uh, who's heading this organization.

00:32:52.289 --> 00:32:55.589
I feel like he said it with clarity and without,

00:32:55.589 --> 00:32:58.430
you know, trying to, to, you know, breaking news

00:32:58.430 --> 00:33:00.690
alert alert, you know, I feel like he said it

00:33:00.690 --> 00:33:03.690
was such clarity. That's maybe one of the clearest

00:33:03.690 --> 00:33:07.470
things I've heard on this in a while. This flows

00:33:07.470 --> 00:33:13.890
into H -1B visas, which are mainly Indians, and

00:33:13.890 --> 00:33:15.670
a lot of them are Muslims, and a lot of them

00:33:15.670 --> 00:33:17.890
don't want to integrate, whether it's for their

00:33:17.890 --> 00:33:21.049
faith or not. There's a tremendous fraud in the

00:33:21.049 --> 00:33:23.609
H -1B visa system, which is being overhauled,

00:33:23.609 --> 00:33:26.809
and Vice President Vance is literally going after

00:33:26.809 --> 00:33:31.369
that fraud continuously. So this is all good.

00:33:31.690 --> 00:33:35.779
Sharia poses a unique and profound danger. It

00:33:35.779 --> 00:33:39.859
is far more than a personal faith. It is a comprehensive

00:33:39.859 --> 00:33:43.059
system of governance, culture, and domination

00:33:43.059 --> 00:33:48.160
that enforces submission through violence. All

00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:52.380
cultures are not morally equivalent. Whereas

00:33:52.380 --> 00:33:57.420
Christianity is the religion of peace, of reconciliation,

00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:01.460
of love, Islam is a religion of the sword. It

00:34:01.460 --> 00:34:04.690
stands indirect irreconcilable conflict with

00:34:04.690 --> 00:34:07.130
a maximum individual freedom at the heart of

00:34:07.130 --> 00:34:10.050
Western civilization and our Judeo -Christian

00:34:10.050 --> 00:34:13.269
heritage. No argument for me. I'm not a theologian.

00:34:13.929 --> 00:34:17.710
Sounds right. Now, here's where they go a little

00:34:17.710 --> 00:34:20.889
bit off the rails and where we have to be careful.

00:34:21.429 --> 00:34:24.130
Listen to this. Legislation alone cannot halt

00:34:24.130 --> 00:34:27.210
this creeping threat, but Congress has a sworn

00:34:27.210 --> 00:34:31.409
duty to act. Seven bills stand ready to ban Sharia's

00:34:31.409 --> 00:34:33.949
influence, fortify our immigration and legal

00:34:33.949 --> 00:34:36.670
systems, deport adherents who promote it. There

00:34:36.670 --> 00:34:42.309
it is. Deport adherents who promote it. So now

00:34:42.309 --> 00:34:45.789
you're talking about deporting people who believe

00:34:45.789 --> 00:34:49.750
in Sharia law. Let's play that again. Fortify

00:34:49.750 --> 00:34:52.289
our immigration and legal system. I'm on board.

00:34:52.369 --> 00:34:54.949
Fortify our legal and immigration system. 100

00:34:54.949 --> 00:34:58.050
percent. Good to go. Fortify our immigration

00:34:58.050 --> 00:35:00.550
and legal systems. Deport adherents who promote

00:35:00.550 --> 00:35:02.849
it. Designate the Muslim Brotherhood and care

00:35:02.849 --> 00:35:05.250
as terrorist organizations. Strengthen vetting.

00:35:05.409 --> 00:35:08.110
Advance the PAWS Act to stop all immigration.

00:35:08.510 --> 00:35:11.030
And ensure no court ever considers Sharia or

00:35:11.030 --> 00:35:15.039
any foreign religious code. Mr. Speaker. The

00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:17.739
American people demand that we defend the Constitution

00:35:17.739 --> 00:35:22.219
against ideology, seeking to supplant it, replace

00:35:22.219 --> 00:35:24.940
it. That's why Congressmen— I'm not entirely

00:35:24.940 --> 00:35:29.260
sure that's true, by the way. He's saying that,

00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:32.400
but it literally says in our documents, if we

00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:34.539
don't like our government, we have the right

00:35:34.539 --> 00:35:39.760
to change it. So, again, I'm in agreement with

00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:42.699
most of it, but he has to be constitutionally

00:35:42.699 --> 00:35:44.960
careful with what's being said here. It's ideology

00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:49.739
seeking to supplant it, replace it. That's why

00:35:49.739 --> 00:35:51.880
Congressman Rory and I founded this caucus. It

00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:54.239
has grown rapidly because patriots nationwide

00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:58.280
are awakening. I urge every colleague, Republican

00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:00.659
or Democrat, who believes in American sovereignty

00:36:00.659 --> 00:36:04.300
to join the Sharia Free America caucus today.

00:36:04.730 --> 00:36:09.489
Let us stand firm. One nation, one constitution,

00:36:10.389 --> 00:36:13.889
one rule of law. Sharia has no place in America.

00:36:14.530 --> 00:36:21.210
Okay, so this caucus, they had a hearing in the

00:36:21.210 --> 00:36:25.909
house, and this is in Washington DC. And the

00:36:25.909 --> 00:36:28.849
thing that came up, which is I think where we

00:36:28.849 --> 00:36:30.969
as believers and Christians need to come in,

00:36:31.230 --> 00:36:33.969
is for the people who are already here, who have

00:36:33.969 --> 00:36:36.889
been here, who have been born here, who have

00:36:36.889 --> 00:36:40.210
been here their whole lives. Now H1B, that's

00:36:40.210 --> 00:36:42.570
easy. You want someone out of the country? I'm

00:36:42.570 --> 00:36:45.929
sorry, I revoke your H1B visa. I don't like what

00:36:45.929 --> 00:36:49.050
you're thinking. I can literally do that as a

00:36:49.050 --> 00:36:50.489
country. I don't like how you think you're not

00:36:50.489 --> 00:36:54.030
coming in. I'm completely on board. You can't

00:36:54.030 --> 00:36:56.679
kill people. So you can say honor killings. You

00:36:56.679 --> 00:37:00.599
can't kill people. We don't do that here. So

00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:02.960
there's laws about that. There's also laws on

00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:06.739
the books about female genital mutilation. There's

00:37:06.739 --> 00:37:09.880
laws. Now, when it comes to the other parts of

00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:14.139
Sharia, which is debatable about prayer and hygiene

00:37:14.139 --> 00:37:19.679
and eating, okay. But this is Elias Soman, and

00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:24.329
he is a constitutional lawyer discussing the

00:37:24.329 --> 00:37:29.010
adherence to these concepts of Islam during this

00:37:29.010 --> 00:37:30.849
conference, and he makes some very important

00:37:30.849 --> 00:37:34.230
constitutional points. Whereas the proposed preserving

00:37:34.230 --> 00:37:37.730
a Sharia Free America Act is wrong. If enacted

00:37:37.730 --> 00:37:40.329
and upheld by the courts, it would expel tens

00:37:40.329 --> 00:37:42.570
of thousands of people from the United States

00:37:42.570 --> 00:37:45.829
just because of their religion by virtue of making

00:37:45.829 --> 00:37:49.150
any non -citizen adherent of Sharia law subject

00:37:49.150 --> 00:37:52.900
to exclusion or deportation. That violates the

00:37:52.900 --> 00:37:55.519
First Amendment, and it would do nothing to improve

00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:58.199
American national security. Indeed, the only

00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.940
real winners would be radical Islamist terrorists

00:38:00.940 --> 00:38:03.639
who would benefit from this by getting a free

00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:08.820
propaganda victory. Exactly. Exactly. If you're

00:38:08.820 --> 00:38:11.519
going to go running through the streets and saying,

00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:14.800
do you believe in Sharia? You're deported. That

00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:18.900
is going to cause mayhem. And there is. case

00:38:18.900 --> 00:38:22.280
law and Supreme Court after Supreme Court that

00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:25.920
you cannot throw a citizen, even someone who's

00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:28.440
here on a green card because immigration laws,

00:38:28.980 --> 00:38:34.179
no law can be made against the freedom of speech

00:38:34.179 --> 00:38:39.719
or religion and practice of thereof. And it adheres

00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:42.159
to people who are here on green cards as well.

00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:45.000
And then he goes into a long case history of

00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:48.570
it, but that's just true. And the reason why

00:38:48.570 --> 00:38:52.969
you don't want that is because you use it for

00:38:52.969 --> 00:38:57.150
one religion, maybe the other party's in charge

00:38:57.150 --> 00:39:00.250
next year. And they're like, you know, you Christians,

00:39:00.590 --> 00:39:03.289
if you believe in this, we can kick you out.

00:39:03.949 --> 00:39:06.949
This is why you can't. And believe me, why wouldn't

00:39:06.949 --> 00:39:12.230
that happen? We think it's not possible. So I'm

00:39:12.230 --> 00:39:15.150
thinking as I heard that, where do we draw the

00:39:15.150 --> 00:39:20.050
distinction between Having a faith belief But

00:39:20.050 --> 00:39:23.210
realizing I live in a country that I cannot enforce

00:39:23.210 --> 00:39:26.690
that I cannot and and where's the line between?

00:39:27.090 --> 00:39:29.510
political actually political belief where does

00:39:29.510 --> 00:39:33.610
Sharia stop being religious and start being political

00:39:33.610 --> 00:39:38.949
in the sense that enforcing their laws enforcing

00:39:38.949 --> 00:39:42.010
there because that's to me that we got to find

00:39:42.010 --> 00:39:45.940
that line of distinction because It's one thing

00:39:45.940 --> 00:39:47.840
for them to have that belief. You know, I can

00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:50.460
have a belief, but it may be I'm in a culture

00:39:50.460 --> 00:39:53.300
where I can't go slaughter a lamb. I can't go

00:39:53.300 --> 00:39:57.320
sacrifice an animal, you know, on an altar. Actually,

00:39:58.380 --> 00:40:01.940
there's been court cases and it is allowed to

00:40:01.940 --> 00:40:04.460
slaughter a lamb on an altar. The Supreme Court

00:40:04.460 --> 00:40:08.000
ruled on it. Okay, bad metaphor. No, no, but

00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:12.840
it's important because you're right. The problem

00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:18.989
here is You can't say, well, your belief is political,

00:40:19.170 --> 00:40:23.050
therefore you're out. You can't do certain things.

00:40:23.110 --> 00:40:25.909
You can't do things against our law. You can't

00:40:25.909 --> 00:40:28.610
bring on your own. It's called Sharia law. I

00:40:28.610 --> 00:40:31.489
mean, it's like Talmudic law. It's like Catholic

00:40:31.489 --> 00:40:36.710
canonism. At a certain point, if it goes into

00:40:36.710 --> 00:40:39.269
action that is illegal by the laws of our country,

00:40:39.750 --> 00:40:42.420
clearly that's a no. Right. There it is. But

00:40:42.420 --> 00:40:44.820
you can think at all you want. People think horrible

00:40:44.820 --> 00:40:49.739
things all day long. Dudes wear dresses. You

00:40:49.739 --> 00:40:51.880
can't stop. That's the whole point of the First

00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:55.460
Amendment. I'm free to think what I want. Exactly.

00:40:55.559 --> 00:41:00.039
I agree. And therefore, if you decide we're going

00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:05.960
to build our own community, our own group, our

00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:07.780
own thing, and we're going to have our own law

00:41:07.780 --> 00:41:11.349
in our own community. you know, is that legal?

00:41:12.050 --> 00:41:17.389
So that's what I'm saying is that has been attempted.

00:41:18.070 --> 00:41:22.730
But that's a policing and judicial issue. Agreed,

00:41:22.730 --> 00:41:26.150
agreed. And it needs to be policed. And it looks

00:41:26.150 --> 00:41:28.230
sound and it sounds like the caucus, from what

00:41:28.230 --> 00:41:30.570
I've heard so far, there may be some nuances

00:41:30.570 --> 00:41:33.789
that you don't agree with. But I think that the

00:41:33.789 --> 00:41:37.489
end result and goal is good. And they're at least

00:41:37.489 --> 00:41:40.440
saying Hey, there's one little thing I thought

00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:42.719
about as I was hearing the guy from the caucus.

00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:48.280
The thing is, I think that those who are pushing

00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:51.659
their agenda for Sharia law, I don't think they

00:41:51.659 --> 00:41:54.079
want the Constitution to go away because they're

00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:57.840
actually using our Constitution against us. Not

00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.559
even against us? I think there's more at play

00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:04.820
and now I want to move into Pastor Josh Howerton.

00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:09.440
Who had a very interesting guest on his on his

00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:13.099
podcast and I like using Josh Howerton because

00:42:13.099 --> 00:42:15.820
people will say I'm with Howerton, you know,

00:42:15.820 --> 00:42:19.800
I love Muslims I hate Islam and Howerton is very

00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:21.960
clear and this this is why I think it dovetails

00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:27.199
perfectly with what the Sharia free America caucus

00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:29.730
is doing because absolutely There are things

00:42:29.730 --> 00:42:33.289
that just cannot be done. There are laws and

00:42:33.289 --> 00:42:35.690
they should be enforced and reinforced and made

00:42:35.690 --> 00:42:38.409
very, very clear. But for those who are here,

00:42:38.409 --> 00:42:40.170
and you're about to hear what the real issue

00:42:40.170 --> 00:42:44.030
is, this is where we as Christians and believers,

00:42:44.030 --> 00:42:46.949
and I think this was your message, this is where

00:42:46.949 --> 00:42:50.530
we come in, not going around saying, oh, they

00:42:50.530 --> 00:42:52.849
believe in Sharia, gotta kick them out of the

00:42:52.849 --> 00:42:57.190
country. That goes against the whole idea of,

00:42:57.230 --> 00:43:00.539
as you said, Maybe God brought him to us for

00:43:00.539 --> 00:43:04.400
a reason. This is what I love so much about your

00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:06.940
message. And here's Howerton. Now, for listeners,

00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.619
what I'm doing for Christians is I just want

00:43:09.619 --> 00:43:11.960
to remind you something like, biblically and

00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:13.780
theologically, what you got in the scriptures

00:43:13.780 --> 00:43:16.320
is that God establishes three institutions for

00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:18.880
the flourishing of humanity. He establishes the

00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:21.000
family, the church, and the state. And what Christians

00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:22.920
are not good at doing, and this is not going

00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:24.420
to be a surprise to Raymond, what Christians

00:43:24.420 --> 00:43:27.039
are not good at doing is thinking in categories.

00:43:27.469 --> 00:43:29.829
So what Christians have to learn to do is with

00:43:29.829 --> 00:43:34.130
any issue, honestly, especially things like Islam,

00:43:34.329 --> 00:43:36.070
Muslim immigration, that sort of thing, Christians

00:43:36.070 --> 00:43:38.530
have to learn how to put their theological thinking

00:43:38.530 --> 00:43:41.340
cap on, open the Bible. and then thinking categories,

00:43:41.460 --> 00:43:43.880
and ask three questions, not one. Instead of

00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:46.360
just asking, man, how should I think or feel

00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:48.960
about Muslims and Muslim immigration? We actually

00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:51.500
have to ask three questions. Again, family, church,

00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:54.099
state. So you need to ask the question one, for

00:43:54.099 --> 00:43:56.659
me as an individual Christian leading a Christian

00:43:56.659 --> 00:43:59.239
family, how am I supposed to relate to my Muslim

00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:01.039
neighbors? Dude, we got commands for that. I'm

00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:02.440
supposed to love my neighbor. I'm supposed to

00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:04.539
share the gospel with my neighbor. Question number

00:44:04.539 --> 00:44:06.820
two, then we need to ask the question, awesome

00:44:06.820 --> 00:44:09.840
man, I'm a pastor of a church with a massive

00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:11.400
missions budget. This is just, you don't know

00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:13.900
anything about me, but that's what we, and like

00:44:13.900 --> 00:44:16.059
our goal is to fulfill the great commission,

00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:18.079
is to share Christ with all nations, teaching

00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:20.699
them to obey all the things, baptizing them in

00:44:20.699 --> 00:44:21.739
the name of the Father, Son, and the Spirit.

00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:23.920
So then we ask the question, what should we do

00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:25.739
as churches? Well, we're supposed to fulfill

00:44:25.739 --> 00:44:27.480
the Great Commission. So I'm going to like, dude,

00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:30.619
I love every, Jesus loves everybody in the world.

00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:31.800
I love everybody in the world. We're going to

00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:33.440
try to share the gospel with everybody. But then

00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:35.280
what Christians historically are not good at

00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:37.639
doing, which you are good at helping people think

00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:40.239
about, is asking the third question. What about

00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:43.159
the role of the state and thinking civilizationally?

00:44:43.619 --> 00:44:47.199
Christians, honestly, we haven't had to think

00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:50.739
like that for a couple hundred years. This is

00:44:50.739 --> 00:44:55.619
so good. Because it's exactly what what needs

00:44:55.619 --> 00:44:58.539
to be done and we're missing Almost kind of missing

00:44:58.539 --> 00:45:02.139
all the points. I think mmm good So this guy

00:45:02.139 --> 00:45:06.300
is his name is Raymond Ibrahim He's a Coptic

00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:08.699
American historian. He's not an official historian,

00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:11.820
but I'll call him that because he sounds his

00:45:11.820 --> 00:45:14.400
what I can tell it's solid and he wrote a book

00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:17.500
called sword and scimitar the al -qaeda reader

00:45:17.500 --> 00:45:20.420
and he was actually a guy who found all these

00:45:20.429 --> 00:45:23.730
Bin Laden messages in the Library of Congress

00:45:23.730 --> 00:45:28.130
that had never been read before, before 9 -11.

00:45:28.550 --> 00:45:31.190
So the guy has a lot of history. And he starts

00:45:31.190 --> 00:45:36.269
off by explaining why this has happened in Europe.

00:45:37.010 --> 00:45:39.090
Can you grab, can you pull that? There's a graphic

00:45:39.090 --> 00:45:41.570
that does the three phases of Muslim immigration.

00:45:42.909 --> 00:45:44.949
So this went like viral a few years ago. I want

00:45:44.949 --> 00:45:47.010
to know, this is why I like doing stuff like

00:45:47.010 --> 00:45:48.590
this, because I can ask you if this is true or

00:45:48.590 --> 00:45:52.460
not. So like, this went crazy viral like a year

00:45:52.460 --> 00:45:54.500
ago and I grabbed it. It's three phases of Muslim

00:45:54.500 --> 00:45:56.539
immigration. Phase one, few in number, oppressed

00:45:56.539 --> 00:45:59.780
Islam, play the victim, claim Islamophobia, more

00:45:59.780 --> 00:46:01.639
tolerant of others. Phase two, large minority,

00:46:01.900 --> 00:46:04.019
indignant Islam, threatening, demand Sharia law,

00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.239
intolerant of infidels. Phase three, clear majority,

00:46:07.460 --> 00:46:09.519
dominant Islam, militant, strict Sharia law,

00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:12.099
kill, subdue all infidels. And then it says for

00:46:12.099 --> 00:46:14.360
1400 years, this pattern hasn't changed, et cetera,

00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:17.340
moderacy irrelevant. Historically, is that true?

00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:21.619
Logically, it's true. Historically, I'll say

00:46:21.619 --> 00:46:25.440
it's not true for one reason, because you can

00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:28.300
only get away with this amongst stupid Westerners.

00:46:29.940 --> 00:46:34.519
Wow. And it's true. It is true. We listened to

00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:37.400
this, Annette and I listened to this podcast.

00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:40.280
It was fantastic. It was phenomenal. And that

00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:44.099
is Europe. We're not stupid Westerners. We're

00:46:44.099 --> 00:46:47.099
far from it. But what's happened in Europe is

00:46:47.099 --> 00:46:49.659
the... Politically, people have just given up

00:46:49.659 --> 00:46:52.139
as far as I'm concerned. And so, yeah, he's right.

00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:54.260
This is not something that you try to do this

00:46:54.260 --> 00:46:56.079
a couple hundred years ago in Europe. No, they

00:46:56.079 --> 00:46:57.619
would chop your head off. You know, this is not

00:46:57.619 --> 00:47:00.519
going to happen here. And historically, Westerners

00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:03.260
weren't stupid. OK, so the phase one, play the

00:47:03.260 --> 00:47:05.460
victim, claim Islamophobia wouldn't have worked

00:47:05.460 --> 00:47:08.460
a few centuries ago. You can't go to a European

00:47:08.460 --> 00:47:10.480
country in the medieval era and be open to press

00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:13.440
Muslims and kick you out. It isn't working like

00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:17.840
Anglo -Saxon Britain, probably. OK, so yeah,

00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:20.420
it works now. But historically, to their credit,

00:47:20.489 --> 00:47:23.070
Europeans would not have fallen because it requires

00:47:23.070 --> 00:47:25.750
naivety. For phase one, you have to be naive

00:47:25.750 --> 00:47:28.650
and go, oh, they're poor victims. Oh, Islamophobia.

00:47:28.809 --> 00:47:31.250
Oh, I got to give you tolerance. That wouldn't

00:47:31.250 --> 00:47:35.710
have happened. But now, yes, this is absolutely

00:47:35.710 --> 00:47:39.849
correct amongst the naive West. There you go.

00:47:40.130 --> 00:47:42.630
You nailed it. You totally nailed it. And I saw

00:47:42.630 --> 00:47:46.809
it happen. I've seen it for over 26 years in

00:47:46.809 --> 00:47:49.550
Holland. where I grew up, I saw this happen.

00:47:49.650 --> 00:47:53.909
I heard those exact terms. And it got so bad

00:47:53.909 --> 00:47:57.250
that politically people were assassinated over

00:47:57.250 --> 00:48:02.150
this, not by Muslims, by extreme leftist nutjobs.

00:48:02.610 --> 00:48:06.190
This is the crazy part about it. That's how Pim

00:48:06.190 --> 00:48:09.429
Fortuyn was going to win the election on stop

00:48:09.429 --> 00:48:14.110
Islamifying the Netherlands. It was a leftist

00:48:14.110 --> 00:48:17.250
member of the animal party, believe it or not.

00:48:18.670 --> 00:48:21.489
who assassinated him, just completely crazed

00:48:21.489 --> 00:48:23.989
by the, oh, you're an Islamophobe, so we've got

00:48:23.989 --> 00:48:27.949
to be careful in our approach. This guy continues.

00:48:28.070 --> 00:48:30.949
I think people look at that, this alliance of

00:48:30.949 --> 00:48:34.230
the progressive left and Muslims, and they're

00:48:34.230 --> 00:48:36.750
like, wait, you guys are supposed to be for women's

00:48:36.750 --> 00:48:42.110
rights, but that's not the vibe of Islam, and

00:48:42.110 --> 00:48:44.769
you guys are for LGBT. Quote -unquote rights

00:48:44.769 --> 00:48:46.869
and that's not you. So like let me just ask like

00:48:46.869 --> 00:48:49.590
what is going on in your mind? And this is important

00:48:49.590 --> 00:48:53.630
because this is the other side of the Bancheria

00:48:53.630 --> 00:48:56.010
Kick out the Muslims vote Republican. Here's

00:48:56.010 --> 00:48:59.250
the other side of it. This is the leftist side

00:48:59.250 --> 00:49:01.789
It's like stop being an islamophobe. It's all

00:49:01.789 --> 00:49:05.010
political. This is all it's all about political

00:49:05.010 --> 00:49:07.599
power It makes perfect sense to me. What's going

00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:09.840
on is you have to see beyond it all and this

00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:12.340
is now we have to get spiritual talk about religion

00:49:12.340 --> 00:49:14.760
and it's it's what's going on is Yeah, you're

00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:16.260
absolutely right. These are two antithetical

00:49:16.260 --> 00:49:20.219
mentalities. I mean Muslims are draconian You

00:49:20.219 --> 00:49:23.460
know patriarchal not homosexual friendly and

00:49:23.460 --> 00:49:25.179
then you have the left which is the exact opposite

00:49:25.179 --> 00:49:27.079
So how does that work? That's what you're asking.

00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:29.900
How do they comport? And I think it comes down

00:49:29.900 --> 00:49:32.500
to the idea of the enemy of my enemies, my friend.

00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:35.420
And both of them have the same enemy, which is

00:49:35.420 --> 00:49:37.760
basically Christian civilization. That's the

00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:39.880
way I see it. And they're coming from different

00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:43.639
angles. And this actually, this does have precedence,

00:49:43.739 --> 00:49:45.280
again, but most people don't know it. If you

00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:47.699
go back in time and you had the medieval Christian

00:49:47.699 --> 00:49:51.000
world, we know the Muslims were attacking it,

00:49:51.019 --> 00:49:53.539
right? But also the pagans. And guess what? They

00:49:53.539 --> 00:49:56.239
were often allied with each other. Fascinating.

00:49:56.400 --> 00:49:59.019
And they both hated it for the same reason. Vikings

00:49:59.019 --> 00:50:01.639
destroying crosses, Muslims destroying crosses,

00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:06.429
okay? So in many ways I see the left as the descendants

00:50:06.429 --> 00:50:08.769
of the pagans, and the Muslims are the descendants

00:50:08.769 --> 00:50:10.510
of the Muslims, and they still have the same

00:50:10.510 --> 00:50:15.289
enemy. So this is very interesting to me. Spot

00:50:15.289 --> 00:50:18.909
on. Do we have only Muslims that we have to be

00:50:18.909 --> 00:50:24.610
careful of? Not at all. No, no. And he continues

00:50:24.610 --> 00:50:28.809
and says Christianity is the target. And of course,

00:50:28.949 --> 00:50:31.849
the Bible tells us it's going to be forever.

00:50:33.250 --> 00:50:41.590
And of course, if you let Muslims into your government,

00:50:42.750 --> 00:50:47.070
especially if you promote that as leftists, as

00:50:47.070 --> 00:50:48.989
we say in the old country, you will come home

00:50:48.989 --> 00:50:52.969
from a very cold carnival. And what will happen?

00:50:53.389 --> 00:50:55.949
I love your old country sayings, brother. How

00:50:55.949 --> 00:51:03.480
do you say that? I love it. I love it. I kept

00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:06.940
that one for you. So, what's going to happen?

00:51:07.059 --> 00:51:09.099
These two get into bed together, right? Okay,

00:51:09.099 --> 00:51:10.719
they're going to produce a child. I know that's

00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:13.440
a terrible metaphor, but they're in bed together

00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:17.599
for one thing, and that is to stop anybody from

00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:20.679
Christianity. So, that's a big, that's a very

00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:23.300
macro thing. I mean, no, yeah, it's a macro thing.

00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:27.389
It's big and high level. But here's the thing

00:51:27.389 --> 00:51:31.289
with so insane about it. I always heard someone

00:51:31.289 --> 00:51:36.489
say, when you're in sin, you're insane. You never

00:51:36.489 --> 00:51:40.230
think right. And when you're swimming in those

00:51:40.230 --> 00:51:44.440
waters, that to get rid of Christianity, And

00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:47.519
to get rid of the impact of Christianity in your

00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:50.460
nation, which is without doubt, we have the receipts.

00:51:50.460 --> 00:51:53.440
It's documented. It is the foundations of your

00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:57.059
nation. But when you find two groups that are

00:51:57.059 --> 00:52:00.920
aligned in that ideal of getting rid of those

00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:04.659
foundations and building a brand new thing, then

00:52:04.659 --> 00:52:07.099
they get in bed together whether they're on the

00:52:07.099 --> 00:52:10.159
same side or not, which is so insane. When you

00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:14.719
think about people from the radical left who

00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:17.840
are pushing LGBTQ, add all the letters and numbers

00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:20.940
you can, and then pushing rights, gay rights,

00:52:21.099 --> 00:52:22.880
all these different things, all these different,

00:52:23.340 --> 00:52:26.880
and they're diametrically and religiously and

00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:30.019
morally opposite of the people they're getting

00:52:30.019 --> 00:52:32.440
in bed with. How do they think this is going

00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:35.840
to end? They get together, let's say they push

00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:37.719
the boulder over the top of the hill and they

00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:41.159
win. What's going to happen? When Sharia law

00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:44.599
is the law, you think they're going to be kind

00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:48.639
to those groups? Come on. Here's an actual example.

00:52:48.940 --> 00:52:51.219
And it's an alliance of convenience. So, for

00:52:51.219 --> 00:52:54.539
example, we just saw Mamdami with the gay flag

00:52:54.539 --> 00:52:57.260
and all that sort of thing. And maybe you're

00:52:57.260 --> 00:52:59.800
familiar with this story. I think it's in Hamtramck,

00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:01.519
Michigan. I've heard of it. The guy that got

00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:05.239
elected, yep. Yeah, where basically, last I heard,

00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:07.889
the city council is Muslim majority. Yeah. And

00:53:07.889 --> 00:53:10.829
it was the left that went out of their way to

00:53:10.829 --> 00:53:12.869
bring them in and empower them and represent

00:53:12.869 --> 00:53:15.429
them. And once they became the majority city

00:53:15.429 --> 00:53:18.610
of the city council, they canceled gay pride.

00:53:18.710 --> 00:53:21.349
Yeah, first thing. First thing, right? So again...

00:53:21.349 --> 00:53:23.150
So then all the progressives felt betrayed. Yes.

00:53:23.489 --> 00:53:25.510
Well, but they're idiots because of course, I

00:53:25.510 --> 00:53:28.090
mean, that is Islam. Islam's not on your side,

00:53:28.110 --> 00:53:31.210
but they're both helping each other because their

00:53:31.210 --> 00:53:35.449
true enemy is the Christian body, is really Christianity.

00:53:37.130 --> 00:53:39.489
But the media doesn't show it that way. Nobody's

00:53:39.489 --> 00:53:41.389
going to discuss it that way. But that's why

00:53:41.389 --> 00:53:43.949
you can get two diametrically opposed forces

00:53:43.949 --> 00:53:46.429
who are working in cahoots, because what they

00:53:46.429 --> 00:53:51.909
really hate is us. There it is. Boom, there it

00:53:51.909 --> 00:53:54.630
is. We got a lot of work to do. And then Ibrahim

00:53:54.630 --> 00:53:56.769
says something very interesting in this last

00:53:56.769 --> 00:53:59.489
clip. And this is why Islam is such a problem

00:53:59.489 --> 00:54:04.670
in the secular West, because you have to fight

00:54:04.670 --> 00:54:08.159
fire with fire. Muslims are believers. They believe

00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:13.639
in God. They believe in doing right works. I

00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:15.420
know a lot of the works isn't bad. A lot of it

00:54:15.420 --> 00:54:17.000
is considered. It's not like everything they

00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:19.340
do is evil. People sometimes have that idea.

00:54:20.099 --> 00:54:22.559
So in order to get to a Muslim, you have to fight

00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:24.460
fire with fire, which means you're not going

00:54:24.460 --> 00:54:26.380
to supplant to their religion by telling them

00:54:26.380 --> 00:54:29.880
about secularism and human rights. You have to

00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:31.760
actually talk to them about something like Christianity.

00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:35.530
That will resonate. I used to watch, his name

00:54:35.530 --> 00:54:37.449
was Father Zechariah Botros, he was a priest

00:54:37.449 --> 00:54:40.309
and his shows are all in Arabic and he was one

00:54:40.309 --> 00:54:42.150
of the most hated priests in the Islamic world

00:54:42.150 --> 00:54:44.070
because he would actually, a lot of Muslims would

00:54:44.070 --> 00:54:46.309
convert because he would get into the Quran and

00:54:46.309 --> 00:54:48.909
the Hadith and talk about the Bible and he was

00:54:48.909 --> 00:54:55.429
a polemicist. What he did work because he was

00:54:55.429 --> 00:54:57.389
fighting fire with fire. He was going against

00:54:57.389 --> 00:54:59.989
a religion with a religion, going against the

00:54:59.989 --> 00:55:01.909
holy book with a holy book, going against the

00:55:01.909 --> 00:55:04.550
God with a God. And I think that's what you definitely

00:55:04.550 --> 00:55:07.650
need to do. This is why when Muslims, it's amazing

00:55:07.650 --> 00:55:10.250
if you look at Muslims in the West, the problematic

00:55:10.250 --> 00:55:12.710
ones are the ones who have been born there two,

00:55:12.710 --> 00:55:14.929
three, four generations. It's not the guy that

00:55:14.929 --> 00:55:17.449
just came over. Isn't that weird? And that's

00:55:17.449 --> 00:55:21.809
because I believe Western culture, the more hedonistic

00:55:21.809 --> 00:55:23.809
and nihilistic it becomes, the more it pushes

00:55:23.809 --> 00:55:26.530
them back to something, to some kind of faith,

00:55:27.010 --> 00:55:29.610
because Islam is better than that. Believe it

00:55:29.610 --> 00:55:32.329
or not. And I think that's because they are,

00:55:32.389 --> 00:55:34.230
there's a lot of good Muslims who are searching

00:55:34.230 --> 00:55:36.750
for the truth. And that's why these stories you're

00:55:36.750 --> 00:55:38.349
talking about, Christ appearing to them, they're

00:55:38.349 --> 00:55:41.110
just everywhere. And they, you know, cross cultures,

00:55:41.230 --> 00:55:43.710
cross, it's not, it's like a, it's a real phenomenon.

00:55:43.909 --> 00:55:45.250
It's not something that just, you know, it's

00:55:45.250 --> 00:55:47.570
happening in one area. Happens in Africa and

00:55:47.570 --> 00:55:52.789
Iran and Asia. So I do believe that's real. Isn't

00:55:52.789 --> 00:55:57.079
that interesting? It's not necessarily the newcomers.

00:55:57.179 --> 00:56:00.500
It's not necessarily the immigrants. It's the

00:56:00.500 --> 00:56:03.000
ones who have been here for 20 years, see this

00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:06.920
country, our country, going down a dark road

00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:09.679
and they're looking for some faith. They're looking

00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:12.000
for something different. No, we're not interested.

00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:16.239
For truth. Truth, exactly. Can I bring this story

00:56:16.239 --> 00:56:19.900
up again? It was a lady we ran into, Annette

00:56:19.900 --> 00:56:22.199
and I, when we were traveling, and we were actually

00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:25.860
over in San Antonio. We ran into this lady. She's

00:56:25.860 --> 00:56:27.760
selling us the cologne, okay? I won't go through

00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:29.360
the whole story. I already told the story. But

00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:31.960
here's the thing. What he said just resonated

00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:34.539
with me because we do not know if she was Muslim

00:56:34.539 --> 00:56:38.260
or not. She's from Iran. She's been here in America.

00:56:38.420 --> 00:56:40.980
Her family's still there in Iran, and they're

00:56:40.980 --> 00:56:43.840
under horrific oppression. But she never said

00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:46.920
whether she was Muslim, Christian, or none of

00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:50.389
the above. But I would venture a guess, probably

00:56:50.389 --> 00:56:52.250
a practicing Muslim, but don't know that for

00:56:52.250 --> 00:56:58.429
sure. She was very clear, very clear that she

00:56:58.429 --> 00:57:01.590
needed peace. And when she said that, I really

00:57:01.590 --> 00:57:03.849
believe that the Holy Spirit dropped this into

00:57:03.849 --> 00:57:06.590
me because it just came to me before I even could

00:57:06.590 --> 00:57:11.190
get it processed. Prince of peace. And so I said

00:57:11.190 --> 00:57:15.320
to her, I said, could we pray for you? because

00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:18.400
we know the Prince of Peace. And I think you

00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:20.539
need the Prince of Peace right now because that's

00:57:20.539 --> 00:57:23.199
what she said. I need peace. I have no peace.

00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:26.179
When I said it, it resonated with her and she

00:57:26.179 --> 00:57:29.460
teared up immediately. She just tears filled

00:57:29.460 --> 00:57:32.539
her eyes, the big crocodile tears. And I said,

00:57:32.699 --> 00:57:35.460
could we pray for you? And she said, yes, please.

00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:38.900
Now we prayed for her. She didn't respond, didn't

00:57:38.900 --> 00:57:41.820
react. I didn't go into a full -blown Billy Graham

00:57:41.820 --> 00:57:44.860
oriented gospel presentation. Not pushing her

00:57:44.860 --> 00:57:47.440
over backwards in the department store. I see

00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:51.500
that hand. The buses will wait. None of that.

00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:55.179
It was just, it was a moment. And it was a moment

00:57:55.179 --> 00:57:58.139
where I felt like it was a seed being planted.

00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:00.400
When she opened her eyes, because she did bow

00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:03.440
her head with us, she had tears running down

00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:06.340
her face. And then after she finished her little

00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:08.340
thing there at the cash register, she comes out

00:58:08.340 --> 00:58:10.940
from behind the, you know, she, they're in those

00:58:10.940 --> 00:58:13.480
bays, you know, they're in those cosmetic bays,

00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:15.980
you know, these stores. She comes all the way.

00:58:16.219 --> 00:58:17.920
I didn't know where she was going. She's walking

00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:21.280
off, but she was coming out and she walked over

00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:24.519
to Annette and hugged her. Then she walked over

00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:28.579
to me and hugged me and said, thank you. Thank

00:58:28.579 --> 00:58:33.880
you. And that's, that's it. Our job. is to plant

00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:39.340
the seed. I mean, again, new Christian, amateur

00:58:39.340 --> 00:58:41.679
theologian, I don't think we're supposed to go

00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:44.099
up to people and say, no, but I'm gonna, you

00:58:44.099 --> 00:58:46.480
gotta get right with God. This is what it is.

00:58:46.619 --> 00:58:49.980
Turn or burn. Turn or burn. Get right or get

00:58:49.980 --> 00:58:53.789
left. Our job is to plant the seed. Yes, and

00:58:53.789 --> 00:58:56.750
God makes it grow so come on brother. We don't

00:58:56.750 --> 00:58:58.650
have I mean this is scripture You know it's like

00:58:58.650 --> 00:59:01.449
yes, I just read my Bible like oh, I'm not supposed

00:59:01.449 --> 00:59:03.809
to stand there till the person says all right

00:59:03.809 --> 00:59:06.769
I'm ready to be baptized no this isn't a sale

00:59:06.769 --> 00:59:09.849
where we're trying to close the deal, and we're

00:59:09.849 --> 00:59:13.280
sowing seeds and trusting God And to bring it

00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:15.760
around to your message, now this is a pastor

00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:18.420
that we both know personally, Pastor Darren Tyler

00:59:18.420 --> 00:59:20.900
from Conduit Church in Tennessee. He was actually

00:59:20.900 --> 00:59:23.380
on with Howardton. I think Howardton is in this

00:59:23.380 --> 00:59:29.059
briefly. But knowing Pastor Darren, I can never

00:59:29.059 --> 00:59:30.800
get Pastor Darren on the phone. He's actually

00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:33.519
a Godcaster customer. We can never get him on

00:59:33.519 --> 00:59:37.719
the phone because I'm in Mozambique. I'm in the

00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:41.880
jungle. I'm in Haiti. He's everywhere. I'm in

00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:47.579
South Korea today. Sorry, can't talk. His church

00:59:47.579 --> 00:59:50.900
does a lot of mission work. That's his life,

00:59:51.019 --> 00:59:57.170
man. He loves doing mission work. For sure. the

00:59:57.170 --> 01:00:00.889
Josh, Pastor Howerton churches also has a big

01:00:00.889 --> 01:00:02.750
mission component to it. I'm not sure I think

01:00:02.750 --> 01:00:06.949
so. And so this is Pastor Darren Tyler and he

01:00:06.949 --> 01:00:09.170
just brings it all the way around. If you've

01:00:09.170 --> 01:00:11.550
got a Muslim next door, you don't have to be

01:00:11.550 --> 01:00:14.030
scared of them. Because I would say one of the

01:00:14.030 --> 01:00:15.829
things we're, what we're doing as a church is

01:00:15.829 --> 01:00:18.809
saying that look, the government should absolutely

01:00:18.809 --> 01:00:21.329
be protecting us. That is the government's job.

01:00:21.329 --> 01:00:24.670
I have no problem with them protecting us. But

01:00:24.670 --> 01:00:27.250
you cannot bomb an ideology out of somebody.

01:00:27.329 --> 01:00:31.269
Boom. You can, however, gospel it out. And so

01:00:31.269 --> 01:00:33.630
while the government's doing their job, the church

01:00:33.630 --> 01:00:36.469
has got, we've got to step up our game. And I

01:00:36.469 --> 01:00:38.449
say that saying that I spent all my time in these

01:00:38.449 --> 01:00:40.090
other nations and realizing, you know, the United

01:00:40.090 --> 01:00:42.289
States actually is a nation. You know, Jesus

01:00:42.289 --> 01:00:44.530
didn't say go into all the nations from Washington.

01:00:44.530 --> 01:00:47.949
He said in Jerusalem and so in our own nation

01:00:47.949 --> 01:00:52.789
as churches. This is a cancer. I've seen it in

01:00:52.789 --> 01:00:57.369
Africa. The Islamic tide rolling from north into

01:00:57.369 --> 01:01:00.889
all the way down to Mozambique, it's a cancer.

01:01:02.090 --> 01:01:04.349
Whether it's Dearborn, Michigan, Plano, Texas,

01:01:04.909 --> 01:01:09.610
Minneapolis, Minnesota, and now New York, this

01:01:09.610 --> 01:01:13.190
is a real thing on our shores. As a church, we've

01:01:13.190 --> 01:01:17.239
got to be very purposeful. in training, equipping,

01:01:17.300 --> 01:01:19.639
number one, our own people from falling into

01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:25.219
Islam. That's coming. But also, how do we win

01:01:25.219 --> 01:01:27.440
and love our Muslim neighbors? Tell them the

01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:30.679
truth, but lead them to Jesus because that's

01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:32.599
the ultimate. I mean, there's, you guys have

01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:34.059
heard the stories. I've actually met people.

01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:37.559
They've had the dream of the man in white, you

01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:40.079
know, Jesus. We got those people in our church.

01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:44.500
Yes. Yeah. I first encountered it 12 years ago.

01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:45.960
I'm like, whoa, tell me about this, man. It was

01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:49.380
a guy in North Africa. And it's proliferated.

01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:52.019
So Jesus is coming for the Muslims in all the

01:01:52.019 --> 01:01:55.199
best ways. And we can be a part of that and at

01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:59.860
the same time be very politically savvy to know

01:01:59.860 --> 01:02:04.699
that whether it's in elections, local, state,

01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:09.360
city, we can't look the other way. Even if you're

01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:12.079
not, quote unquote, radical Islamist. You are

01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:15.039
now, we talk about this right, like if we, the

01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:17.099
Christians, don't step into political offices,

01:02:17.300 --> 01:02:21.559
then the godless will, that also includes Islamists.

01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:25.400
Dude, it's not just Adam and Pastor Jimmy in

01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:27.360
Little Fredericksburg, Texas. You know, this

01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:30.380
is, pastors are talking about, not all of them,

01:02:31.179 --> 01:02:34.239
but this is being discussed and I'm so encouraged

01:02:34.239 --> 01:02:38.079
by hearing this from them. Me too, me too. And

01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:40.900
Darren would know, like you said, he does travel

01:02:40.900 --> 01:02:43.380
the world. I mean, he didn't even want to be

01:02:43.380 --> 01:02:46.179
a pastor. He literally was like, I am a missionary.

01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:49.820
Was he in the A &R department at a music company?

01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:52.119
Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. He's been in the music industry

01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:54.460
in Nashville for years. And here he is going

01:02:54.460 --> 01:02:57.800
on these mission trips and he's a group of people

01:02:57.800 --> 01:02:59.460
that he kept taking on these trips or sitting

01:02:59.460 --> 01:03:02.300
around. I mean, basically one of them said, he's

01:03:02.300 --> 01:03:03.599
like, I don't want to be a pastor. They're like,

01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:05.300
we should, we should be a church. And he's like,

01:03:05.340 --> 01:03:07.659
I don't want to be. pastor. And then the lady's

01:03:07.659 --> 01:03:09.699
like, uh, I think you already are, you know,

01:03:09.940 --> 01:03:12.360
look around. So that's kind of how that church

01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:15.159
was started. It was out of a missionary heart.

01:03:15.260 --> 01:03:17.800
So he's traveled the world and he is seen from

01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:20.619
the inside out the very things we're talking

01:03:20.619 --> 01:03:23.400
about. So when I hear somebody like Darren or,

01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:26.500
or the other guy that was with Josh Powerton

01:03:26.500 --> 01:03:29.960
say, this is what it's going to take. And I love

01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:32.840
just the saying, using the word, gospelized.

01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:36.719
You can't bomb it out of them, but you can gospelize

01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:39.420
it out of them. Can I share something here as

01:03:39.420 --> 01:03:42.199
we sort of land? And I know, man, I can't wait

01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:44.179
to thank our folks that are listening and whatnot,

01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:46.460
but I feel like this will be an encouragement

01:03:46.460 --> 01:03:48.659
to our people. And it really, I think, puts an

01:03:48.659 --> 01:03:50.360
exclamation point on what we're talking about.

01:03:50.940 --> 01:03:56.840
So last night at the close of the sessions, Erica

01:03:56.840 --> 01:03:59.079
Kirk was brought onto the platform. It was in

01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:01.840
a interview style. She walks out on the platform.

01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:03.239
Of course, everyone's cheering for her because

01:04:03.239 --> 01:04:05.900
this is a TPUSA event, right? And she is just,

01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:08.760
she's humbled. She's got tears in her eyes. She's

01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:12.460
standing there posturing almost like a 10 -year

01:04:12.460 --> 01:04:14.800
-old girl. Like, I'm almost embarrassed to be

01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:18.559
here. It was amazing. And then she sat down and

01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:20.199
there was a little interview moment where she

01:04:20.199 --> 01:04:22.239
was asked some pointy questions about how she's

01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:24.469
doing and whatnot. And I got to tell you something,

01:04:24.630 --> 01:04:27.210
there is so much hate and vitriol for her out

01:04:27.210 --> 01:04:30.570
there from some psychopath podcasters and others.

01:04:31.670 --> 01:04:33.989
And to me, it's one of those confirmations of

01:04:33.989 --> 01:04:36.949
when you're truly over the target, eventually

01:04:36.949 --> 01:04:40.889
you become the target. And she's that. And this

01:04:40.889 --> 01:04:43.750
organization represents that. We've met so many

01:04:43.750 --> 01:04:46.789
wonderful people here. So she was sharing and

01:04:46.789 --> 01:04:49.510
talking about the mission. And here she is, her

01:04:49.510 --> 01:04:52.010
husband was murdered in front of thousands of

01:04:52.010 --> 01:04:56.090
people and video wise, millions saw this video

01:04:56.090 --> 01:04:59.190
of her husband being killed simply for stepping

01:04:59.190 --> 01:05:02.530
onto a college campus and allowing young people

01:05:02.530 --> 01:05:06.710
to ask him hard questions. And he was as much

01:05:06.710 --> 01:05:08.750
a listener as he was a talker. They usually don't

01:05:08.750 --> 01:05:11.269
show that in videos, but actually, I mean, he

01:05:11.269 --> 01:05:13.750
would literally, he had a physical move that

01:05:13.750 --> 01:05:15.969
he did when he was talking to somebody, he would

01:05:15.969 --> 01:05:19.090
lay his mic down. And it's something he did on

01:05:19.090 --> 01:05:21.670
purpose to posture for those young people coming

01:05:21.670 --> 01:05:24.099
up to the microphone to say, I'm listening to

01:05:24.099 --> 01:05:27.320
you. I'm not just trying to get a response. He

01:05:27.320 --> 01:05:28.940
set his microphone down. I don't know if you

01:05:28.940 --> 01:05:30.900
ever noticed that, but she talked about that

01:05:30.900 --> 01:05:33.539
was intentional on his part because he wanted

01:05:33.539 --> 01:05:37.880
them to be heard before he rebutted or spoke

01:05:37.880 --> 01:05:41.860
to them. That's why young people actually flock

01:05:41.860 --> 01:05:44.760
to him on that because he really was listening.

01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:48.539
So she talks about that, but then she talks about

01:05:48.539 --> 01:05:51.519
how it has been since her husband was murdered.

01:05:51.900 --> 01:05:54.380
And you would think a country would come around

01:05:54.380 --> 01:05:57.679
her and she stood before the nation at his funeral

01:05:57.679 --> 01:06:02.420
and forgave the young man who killed him, which

01:06:02.420 --> 01:06:05.599
was like a shockwave going throughout the nation.

01:06:06.519 --> 01:06:08.780
For a moment there, there was unity in our country,

01:06:08.820 --> 01:06:14.460
for a moment. And then propagandists and opportunists

01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:18.599
jumped on a bandwagon to vilify her and get their

01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:22.980
podcast built up to massive, epic scale and it

01:06:22.980 --> 01:06:26.679
worked. But what it's done, it's left a family

01:06:26.679 --> 01:06:30.460
in shards and who cares, right? As long as my

01:06:30.460 --> 01:06:33.920
podcast gets millions of hits, I've done my job.

01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:37.360
That's my objective. Forget who's left in the

01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:40.059
wake of that. So she shared, she didn't go into

01:06:40.059 --> 01:06:43.860
deep anything about hatred or anger or anything.

01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:47.559
She just talked about the fact that what all

01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:51.280
of this has confirmed for her in her mission

01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:55.300
is to continue to carry the torch, to not step

01:06:55.300 --> 01:06:58.420
down, to not back up. She said, as a mother,

01:06:59.380 --> 01:07:01.300
the thing I would have loved to have done, and

01:07:01.300 --> 01:07:03.320
Riley Gaines was here saying some similar things

01:07:03.320 --> 01:07:07.099
as well. Both of them, as mothers, we want nothing

01:07:07.099 --> 01:07:10.000
more than to isolate ourselves in our homes and

01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:12.199
protect our children. Raleigh Gaines just had

01:07:12.199 --> 01:07:17.280
her first baby. Erica and Charlie have two children.

01:07:17.780 --> 01:07:19.940
And they said, they both said it in different

01:07:19.940 --> 01:07:23.159
sessions, as moms, all we want to do is stay

01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:26.519
home, take care and protect our kid. But they

01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:29.880
both said, but as followers of Jesus, we want

01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:34.079
to be on mission with him. And even if it means

01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:38.380
laying our lives down, we will do it. And so,

01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:42.300
I wrote this daily, did you have something? You

01:07:42.300 --> 01:07:43.480
started to say something. No, go ahead, go ahead.

01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:46.139
Okay. I wrote a daily grind day, just really

01:07:46.139 --> 01:07:48.400
moved by this. It's Philippians chapter one,

01:07:48.500 --> 01:07:52.679
verse 21, when Paul is talking about the cost

01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:55.980
of following Jesus. And he says this, for to

01:07:55.980 --> 01:08:00.800
me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. He

01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:02.699
actually goes on to say in the verses after that,

01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:06.500
I would rather die and be with Jesus. But for

01:08:06.500 --> 01:08:09.480
your sakes I will stay here and continue the

01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:12.840
the mission. So I called it truth without compromise

01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:16.399
The Apostle was getting real about the cost of

01:08:16.399 --> 01:08:18.920
his mission to preach the message of Jesus to

01:08:18.920 --> 01:08:22.500
cities and villages that hated him for it Truth

01:08:22.500 --> 01:08:25.039
-tellers are rarely welcomed by those living

01:08:25.039 --> 01:08:28.319
in darkness Paul understood that he could lose

01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:31.159
his life for Christ We were recently in a meeting

01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:34.439
with the widow of a martyr last night and she

01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:39.140
too Had been targeted by evil like Paul. She

01:08:39.140 --> 01:08:42.579
is willing to pay the price Are you willing to

01:08:42.579 --> 01:08:45.359
die for the cause of Christ and the mission of

01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:49.359
telling the world about his mercy grace and forgiveness?

01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:52.640
Are you willing to lay down your life to be a

01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:55.819
truth -teller without compromise? And then I

01:08:55.819 --> 01:08:58.840
wrote this this little activation piece today

01:08:58.840 --> 01:09:02.529
count the cost Would you continue to stand when

01:09:02.529 --> 01:09:06.489
demonic driven forces line up against you? Will

01:09:06.489 --> 01:09:10.670
you stand in courage or bow in fear? And then

01:09:10.670 --> 01:09:12.869
I gave a prayer at the end of that and maybe

01:09:12.869 --> 01:09:14.850
I'll just save that for the end of the program.

01:09:16.409 --> 01:09:19.630
Yes, I'd like you to do that. And before we thank

01:09:19.630 --> 01:09:22.430
people who've supported us so graciously today.

01:09:23.289 --> 01:09:29.689
So what's the word I'm looking for? I can't think

01:09:29.689 --> 01:09:33.949
of the word. I'm just blown away by it. The people

01:09:33.949 --> 01:09:36.550
may be listening to us, Pastor Jimmy, and thinking,

01:09:36.869 --> 01:09:39.449
yeah, that's easy. If you're Charlie Kirk, if

01:09:39.449 --> 01:09:46.430
you're Erica Kirk, I'm not that. I'm not the

01:09:46.430 --> 01:09:49.390
Apostle Paul. Can I do this? How do I do this?

01:09:50.189 --> 01:09:53.170
I went looking for people who are taking this

01:09:53.170 --> 01:09:57.539
to heart. And this is a dude. Lorenzo on YouTube,

01:09:57.760 --> 01:10:00.680
a dude Lorenzo on YouTube. Now I'm only going

01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:02.500
to play two of the clips. I had a whole bunch

01:10:02.500 --> 01:10:05.920
of them. But here's how he approached it. So

01:10:05.920 --> 01:10:08.399
guys, we are in Deborn, Michigan, which has the

01:10:08.399 --> 01:10:12.239
highest population of Muslims in America. And

01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:15.800
we are at the Islamic Society mosque. There's

01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:19.479
a Greek Orthodox church right next to it on the

01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:23.020
altar road, which I think is just, it's just,

01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:26.010
it's, it's not coincidence. So Yeah, we're out

01:10:26.010 --> 01:10:27.609
here in Deborn. We're going to be out here for

01:10:27.609 --> 01:10:30.050
a few hours. Our goal is not to bring controversy.

01:10:30.369 --> 01:10:33.510
We're not here to argue. We're not here to tell

01:10:33.510 --> 01:10:36.270
people that Islam is demonic or wrong, even though

01:10:36.270 --> 01:10:38.409
it is. But we're here to actually spread the

01:10:38.409 --> 01:10:40.869
gospel of Jesus Christ. I've noticed over the

01:10:40.869 --> 01:10:43.189
years of evangelism that when you witness to

01:10:43.189 --> 01:10:46.470
a Muslim and you come with debating or you come

01:10:46.470 --> 01:10:49.090
with you're wrong and I'm right, not always is

01:10:49.090 --> 01:10:51.609
it fruitful. By the way, it's Ramadan. So we

01:10:51.609 --> 01:10:55.109
came during Ramadan. Well, I want Muslims. to

01:10:55.109 --> 01:10:57.430
hear the gospel of Jesus Christ, so they can

01:10:57.430 --> 01:11:00.050
at least say they heard it, whether they receive

01:11:00.050 --> 01:11:01.890
it or not. I believe seeds are going to be planted.

01:11:02.289 --> 01:11:04.050
If God wants to move and he wants someone to

01:11:04.050 --> 01:11:06.569
get saved or baptized, that's on him. I don't

01:11:06.569 --> 01:11:08.989
know where we baptize people because it's cold.

01:11:09.590 --> 01:11:13.069
But if God wants it to be done, a way will be

01:11:13.069 --> 01:11:15.609
made. But we're just out here in faith with the

01:11:15.609 --> 01:11:18.189
love of Jesus, with the truth of the gospel and

01:11:18.189 --> 01:11:20.109
preaching repentance and remission of sins. And

01:11:20.109 --> 01:11:22.430
I believe that people will be receptive, receive

01:11:22.430 --> 01:11:25.640
prayer. during a month where they're fasting

01:11:25.640 --> 01:11:28.600
and worshipping their deity, their God. So he

01:11:28.600 --> 01:11:32.159
just went around. He was going into bars, into

01:11:32.159 --> 01:11:36.460
restaurants, and actually I'll play too. So he

01:11:36.460 --> 01:11:42.460
meets this... I'm in no rush. Okay. Let me see.

01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:44.720
What is this? Let me check and see if this is

01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:48.199
short. Excuse me, sir. Excuse me. We're doing

01:11:48.199 --> 01:11:51.380
a YouTube documentary for social media. And I

01:11:51.380 --> 01:11:53.100
know it's Ramadan, are you Muslim? No, yeah,

01:11:53.119 --> 01:11:55.060
I know, I'm sorry. Maybe like a few questions?

01:11:55.579 --> 01:11:59.619
Thank you. Okay. Okay, God bless. Alright. Would

01:11:59.619 --> 01:12:03.060
you guys want to do an interview? No. Everyone

01:12:03.060 --> 01:12:04.699
that we've been asking for an interview is very

01:12:04.699 --> 01:12:06.539
closed off. It's because people are defensive.

01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:09.000
A few months ago, some Christians came out here

01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:11.960
and sparked a big old riot, burning Qurans and

01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:13.699
sitting in the streets. And it caused a lot of

01:12:13.699 --> 01:12:15.819
division. It caused the people of this city to

01:12:15.819 --> 01:12:17.840
just really put their guard up into defense mode.

01:12:17.939 --> 01:12:19.520
That's why we're out here trying to do something

01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:21.119
different. And I believe this video is gonna

01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:23.359
really just show Muslims that not every Christian

01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:25.260
is out here trying to come at you like you're

01:12:25.260 --> 01:12:27.939
crazy or treat you like a demon. We're actually

01:12:27.939 --> 01:12:29.720
here to preach the truth, man. That's the goal.

01:12:30.039 --> 01:12:32.739
See, this is important. This is... That's the

01:12:32.739 --> 01:12:35.640
wrong approach. You know, to go out there and

01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:39.000
burn Qurans and throw bacon around and, you know,

01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:41.520
it's awful. And, you know, people mean well,

01:12:41.539 --> 01:12:43.779
but that is not the way to go. I just love what

01:12:43.779 --> 01:12:46.319
this guy is doing. So now he walks into a restaurant.

01:12:55.210 --> 01:12:57.470
Where are you from? I'm from Palestine, I'm from

01:12:57.470 --> 01:12:59.609
Jordan. Okay, that's cool. You were born over

01:12:59.609 --> 01:13:02.270
there? I was born here in Detroit. Okay, so I

01:13:02.270 --> 01:13:04.430
want to ask questions like why do you believe

01:13:04.430 --> 01:13:08.310
in Islam? I was raised with it, but I'm really

01:13:08.310 --> 01:13:10.970
appreciative of the fact and the aspect of the

01:13:10.970 --> 01:13:12.770
religion that there is one God. Have you ever

01:13:12.770 --> 01:13:15.949
had an experience like a spiritual supernatural

01:13:15.949 --> 01:13:18.710
like something experiential with Allah like where

01:13:18.710 --> 01:13:20.489
you experience God in a way where you're like

01:13:20.489 --> 01:13:23.229
oh my goodness that was that was you know God

01:13:23.229 --> 01:13:27.159
that was him or Is it kind of like you pray and

01:13:27.159 --> 01:13:29.260
you believe you have faith but you haven't had

01:13:29.260 --> 01:13:33.699
that experience yet? To be honest, I find the

01:13:33.699 --> 01:13:37.640
opposite. I find it really hard sometimes to

01:13:37.640 --> 01:13:41.119
appreciate and stay faithful in religion at times.

01:13:42.100 --> 01:13:46.340
I haven't had an experience like that. But I

01:13:46.340 --> 01:13:50.159
think it's really comforting and really Really

01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:54.020
amazing that in this world it feels good to feel

01:13:54.020 --> 01:13:58.220
like a God is there for us And I think yeah,

01:13:58.220 --> 01:14:00.800
and I have faith and I think it brings us really

01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:04.100
a lot of comfort That's I love your honesty by

01:14:04.100 --> 01:14:06.600
the way. That's really commendable. This is this

01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:10.359
is like the Paul playbook exactly, I was thinking

01:14:10.359 --> 01:14:14.140
that as she's sharing that like yeah, I know

01:14:14.140 --> 01:14:17.689
there's something out there, but God So on point

01:14:17.689 --> 01:14:20.010
and she finds it comforting that there's a God

01:14:20.010 --> 01:14:22.710
so she has all the right elements now He goes

01:14:22.710 --> 01:14:25.270
into his testimony, which I'm not gonna play

01:14:25.270 --> 01:14:27.390
but it's you know He's talking about how he got

01:14:27.390 --> 01:14:30.970
into drugs into alternative You know crystals

01:14:30.970 --> 01:14:34.390
and tarot cards and everything, but then he had

01:14:34.390 --> 01:14:38.430
an experience He had an experience with God and

01:14:38.430 --> 01:14:41.079
that's what got her interest Because she said

01:14:41.079 --> 01:14:43.520
herself, you know, I've never had that experience

01:14:43.520 --> 01:14:46.260
I've read about it and I've read your poets,

01:14:46.460 --> 01:14:49.439
you know, your poets tell you this And then this

01:14:49.439 --> 01:14:52.340
is how he kind of he kind of nails it down again.

01:14:52.359 --> 01:14:54.220
He's just planting a seed He's not telling her

01:14:54.220 --> 01:14:56.979
what to do. We can't know god unless we experience

01:14:56.979 --> 01:15:01.800
him and like for me in my 20s I was just like

01:15:01.800 --> 01:15:04.680
I couldn't I couldn't bow down to a god or a

01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:06.399
religion unless I had experience and I was very

01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:09.260
like Just like, I'm not gonna do it. Like, I'm

01:15:09.260 --> 01:15:10.859
not gonna go to... I tell my mom, like, Mom,

01:15:10.899 --> 01:15:12.619
I love you, but I'm not gonna go to church. Like,

01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:15.579
I haven't experienced Jesus. Like, I haven't.

01:15:15.619 --> 01:15:17.300
And I was just like, I love my mom, I honor my

01:15:17.300 --> 01:15:19.140
mom, and there'd be times where she would be

01:15:19.140 --> 01:15:20.739
like, hey, come to church, and I'd go just for

01:15:20.739 --> 01:15:22.220
her. You know what I'm saying? Like, on holidays

01:15:22.220 --> 01:15:25.579
and whatever. But I didn't take it serious. Like,

01:15:25.579 --> 01:15:27.819
because I didn't have experience. It's like,

01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:30.760
imagine this, right? Are you married yet? So

01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:33.020
I'm married, right, with four kids. Imagine if

01:15:33.020 --> 01:15:36.359
I tell you, what's your name? Alma I said Alma

01:15:36.359 --> 01:15:39.840
I'm married to my wife for ten years I'm so in

01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:41.359
love with her and I could tell you every detail

01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:43.819
about her And then you say where's yeah, and

01:15:43.819 --> 01:15:47.539
I say I've never met her I've never met her in

01:15:47.539 --> 01:15:50.199
person. I've only read about her, but I've never

01:15:50.199 --> 01:15:52.960
met my wife, but I'm so in love with her Would

01:15:52.960 --> 01:15:54.619
you believe that I'm in love with a woman? I've

01:15:54.619 --> 01:15:58.399
never met I Believe that you're in love with

01:15:58.399 --> 01:16:02.539
the idea of her And that's what a lot of people

01:16:02.539 --> 01:16:05.899
do not just in Wow. Christianity and just religion.

01:16:06.199 --> 01:16:09.539
Religion is being in love with the idea that

01:16:09.539 --> 01:16:12.840
God might be true, but not having experiential

01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:15.899
knowledge. And that's where it gets scary because

01:16:15.899 --> 01:16:18.359
like, if we convince ourselves enough to just

01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:21.640
believe in an idea, it could become deception.

01:16:21.640 --> 01:16:24.220
And then we could be fighting for something that

01:16:24.220 --> 01:16:27.000
we don't even know is true. And there it is.

01:16:27.100 --> 01:16:30.199
He's not Charlie Kirk. He's not Erica Kirk. He's

01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:33.500
not a pastor. these just out there planting seeds.

01:16:33.560 --> 01:16:37.060
And he even says, bam, there it is. There it

01:16:37.060 --> 01:16:42.340
is. Wow. I'm like, so anybody can do this. And

01:16:42.340 --> 01:16:46.279
that's what I, and I want to hone my own skills

01:16:46.279 --> 01:16:50.060
at this too. Yes. That was phenomenal. If I see

01:16:50.060 --> 01:16:52.439
someone walking on the street or if I see someone

01:16:52.439 --> 01:16:57.359
in a hijab or whatever, some bearded dude in

01:16:57.359 --> 01:16:59.520
Fredericksburg, I want to be like, hey man, how

01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:03.680
you doing? That's it. But it's scary for people.

01:17:03.920 --> 01:17:06.659
People are afraid, and that's the part we have

01:17:06.659 --> 01:17:10.319
to get over. So good, Adam. Thanks for playing

01:17:10.319 --> 01:17:13.460
that. That is the heart behind even what I said.

01:17:13.960 --> 01:17:18.199
The thing is, is we cannot be fearful. When we

01:17:18.199 --> 01:17:21.539
approach people, I always like to ask a question.

01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:23.779
When I hear somebody and they've got a different

01:17:23.779 --> 01:17:27.859
accent, I just say, accent is beautiful. Where

01:17:27.859 --> 01:17:31.020
are you from? That right there is so disarming

01:17:31.020 --> 01:17:33.960
for people because people who are from the East,

01:17:34.159 --> 01:17:35.979
they're kind of used to, they've got their guard

01:17:35.979 --> 01:17:37.859
up just like they were there, you know, where

01:17:37.859 --> 01:17:40.140
he was. And they even said, you know, he even

01:17:40.140 --> 01:17:41.840
said people here have their guard up, you know,

01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:44.199
because of some bad things that happened. And

01:17:44.199 --> 01:17:47.000
so people have their guard up naturally. But

01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:51.020
when you approach them with just a genuine compliment,

01:17:51.119 --> 01:17:53.960
because I think accents are amazing. I sound

01:17:53.960 --> 01:17:56.479
like a hick from West Texas, but everything else

01:17:56.479 --> 01:18:00.260
is just beautiful. I love it. But when you approach

01:18:00.260 --> 01:18:03.899
somebody, complimenting them on something that's

01:18:03.899 --> 01:18:07.279
genuine, they'll know you're genuine. And Annette

01:18:07.279 --> 01:18:09.000
and I, that's our heart. We want to be genuine

01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:11.539
when we approach people. And so for example,

01:18:11.579 --> 01:18:13.640
with that lady, I just, I love your accent. There

01:18:13.640 --> 01:18:16.359
was another time, another department store, same

01:18:16.359 --> 01:18:20.100
thing. Where are you from? And she bowed her

01:18:20.100 --> 01:18:22.279
head and she was afraid to say it. And she said,

01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:25.939
Afghanistan. And we said, we love the people

01:18:25.939 --> 01:18:29.159
of Afghanistan. I mean, that just shocks people

01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:32.369
because they're not used. to two white people

01:18:32.369 --> 01:18:35.409
from America who are definitely Texans. That's

01:18:35.409 --> 01:18:40.409
the way in. We love your people because that's

01:18:40.409 --> 01:18:43.810
the thing. We love your people, but we reject

01:18:43.810 --> 01:18:47.510
your religion. I wouldn't say that out loud.

01:18:47.529 --> 01:18:50.149
That's obviously the rhetorical thought, but

01:18:50.149 --> 01:18:52.609
I'm not there to make an enemy. I'm there to

01:18:52.609 --> 01:18:57.029
win a friend and introduce them to the best thing

01:18:57.029 --> 01:18:58.970
that'll ever happen to them. And that is the

01:18:58.970 --> 01:19:02.319
Prince of Peace. And for the men listening, this

01:19:02.319 --> 01:19:06.560
is my last one. Brother, I'm sorry. I went all

01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:09.520
out on this. I was so excited to share this.

01:19:09.739 --> 01:19:12.239
No, I'm loving this. So now he's on the street.

01:19:12.380 --> 01:19:15.380
He meets a couple of dudes and listen to what

01:19:15.380 --> 01:19:18.500
happens here. And this is for men, men in particular,

01:19:19.960 --> 01:19:23.569
certainly older men, mature men. Old guys like

01:19:23.569 --> 01:19:26.409
us, what we have to be on the lookout for in

01:19:26.409 --> 01:19:30.829
the younger men in our towns, in our cities,

01:19:31.130 --> 01:19:33.130
in our schools, everywhere. So may I ask y 'all

01:19:33.130 --> 01:19:34.310
a question? What y 'all think the purpose of

01:19:34.310 --> 01:19:35.750
life is? Like, what are we doing here on this

01:19:35.750 --> 01:19:42.829
planet? To be successful. Have our kids learn,

01:19:43.229 --> 01:19:46.069
you feel me? Always be a student and stuff. You

01:19:46.069 --> 01:19:50.109
would never know what's new to you, you feel

01:19:50.109 --> 01:19:52.420
me? That's real. And like would you say bro,

01:19:52.579 --> 01:19:53.939
like you have a religion, like you believe in

01:19:53.939 --> 01:19:56.500
something? Yeah, I'm Christian. You're Christian?

01:19:56.760 --> 01:19:59.720
Yeah. You know there's a 55 % Muslim, right?

01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:03.079
You know it's Ramadan too. Are you Christian

01:20:03.079 --> 01:20:10.050
too? He says he wants to be Muslim. Why? Not

01:20:10.050 --> 01:20:12.649
because of doctrine, because of community. Because

01:20:12.649 --> 01:20:15.750
what he sees in Islam looks peaceful and connected.

01:20:15.869 --> 01:20:18.149
And this is a hard check for the American church.

01:20:18.310 --> 01:20:20.750
We preach at people, but we don't love them well.

01:20:20.890 --> 01:20:23.329
We give them theology, but not brotherhood and

01:20:23.329 --> 01:20:25.930
community. Young men are hungry for family and

01:20:25.930 --> 01:20:28.510
for the truth. If we don't give them the family

01:20:28.510 --> 01:20:30.909
of God, they'll look for it anywhere else. And

01:20:30.909 --> 01:20:33.210
that's not their failure, that's our failure.

01:20:33.479 --> 01:20:39.199
You need to repent. Dude. Wow. This is why our

01:20:39.199 --> 01:20:42.640
men's breakfast is important. Bring young men

01:20:42.640 --> 01:20:46.859
to it. Bring not just your sons, your grandsons,

01:20:46.920 --> 01:20:50.420
bring their friends. You know, community. That's

01:20:50.420 --> 01:20:52.439
all people are always looking for. They're just

01:20:52.439 --> 01:20:54.939
looking for community and to belong to something.

01:20:55.359 --> 01:20:57.600
And yeah, if Islam is standing there like, hey

01:20:57.600 --> 01:20:59.560
brother, come on in. You can be a part of our

01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:02.079
community. And we're not there. Wow. Well, there

01:21:02.079 --> 01:21:05.819
you go. There it is. That is it. I just shared

01:21:05.819 --> 01:21:08.300
with Pastor Brian, we had a great conversation

01:21:08.300 --> 01:21:10.739
last week and I brought him something that I

01:21:10.739 --> 01:21:16.500
had read from a guy who's sort of a church doctor.

01:21:16.859 --> 01:21:20.199
He diagnoses churches. He goes in and he said

01:21:20.199 --> 01:21:22.659
the number one thing he said, preacher, people

01:21:22.659 --> 01:21:24.960
do not come to hear you preach anymore. Those

01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:28.539
days are gone. They come for community. Yes.

01:21:29.090 --> 01:21:34.229
That's it. You'll touch them with your sermons.

01:21:34.270 --> 01:21:37.109
You'll disciple. You'll help them. But at the

01:21:37.109 --> 01:21:39.590
end of the day, they don't come and stay for

01:21:39.590 --> 01:21:43.149
you. They come and stay for community. And that's

01:21:43.149 --> 01:21:45.789
the way Tina and I feel about our church too.

01:21:46.449 --> 01:21:48.789
Me too. And I'm the pastor. I'm the preacher.

01:21:48.989 --> 01:21:51.529
It's our clubhouse, man. It's cool. There's always

01:21:51.529 --> 01:21:54.010
something going on. It's our family. You'll hear

01:21:54.010 --> 01:21:56.630
me very often from the pulpit. I don't hear a

01:21:56.630 --> 01:21:58.989
lot of preachers do this. And some would even

01:21:58.989 --> 01:22:02.470
say, don't do this. But I tell our church, I'm

01:22:02.470 --> 01:22:04.789
not just the pastor here. That's my role that

01:22:04.789 --> 01:22:08.029
God designated. I'm a member of this community.

01:22:08.210 --> 01:22:11.050
I'm a member of this church. I'm in it with you.

01:22:11.189 --> 01:22:14.989
We're learning together. We're learning to navigate.

01:22:16.920 --> 01:22:19.319
conflict. We're learning to navigate weird aunts

01:22:19.319 --> 01:22:22.119
and uncles in our family. We're learning to navigate

01:22:22.119 --> 01:22:26.319
mistakes and have grace for one another. And

01:22:26.319 --> 01:22:29.979
I'm in it with you. And I just want people to

01:22:29.979 --> 01:22:32.300
never want to be that pastor who's like the man

01:22:32.300 --> 01:22:38.960
of God, just the untouchable, unreachable. I

01:22:38.960 --> 01:22:41.659
can't function like that. And first of all, I

01:22:41.659 --> 01:22:45.539
can't live up to that. I'm a person who has the

01:22:45.539 --> 01:22:49.539
same temptations, the same issues, the same stuff

01:22:49.539 --> 01:22:51.920
anybody else has. It's just, I'm in a different

01:22:51.920 --> 01:22:54.920
role. But at the end of the day, I'm a member

01:22:54.920 --> 01:22:58.039
of this community and that is what brings me

01:22:58.039 --> 01:23:00.399
life. It's not preaching. I love to preach, love

01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:01.920
to play on the worship team. I love those are

01:23:01.920 --> 01:23:04.520
fun things for me, but what really brings me

01:23:04.520 --> 01:23:07.960
life honestly are the conversations that happen

01:23:07.960 --> 01:23:11.159
before church starts and then in the meetup after

01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:13.699
church. I live for that. The meetup in the middle.

01:23:14.439 --> 01:23:16.600
Yeah, we have two meetups after each service

01:23:16.600 --> 01:23:20.159
and I'm with people for seven hours on Sunday

01:23:20.159 --> 01:23:23.380
morning and I never turn it off because I love

01:23:23.380 --> 01:23:26.439
being with my community. We have quite a community

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He says the Catholic Church sees an indulgence

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as a way to lessen the lingering consequences

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of a sin that's already been forgiven. This is

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I'm learning something here. Yes things got out

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it's practiced very differently today, but I

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Cool. Ryan Thompson, 8888. And he says, Sir Ryan

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you and Pastor Jimmy incorporate the good news

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of Christ and His grace into your daily lives,

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bishop in my local congregation of the Church

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don't hold that against me, but love the work

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others connect their faith in Jesus Christ to

01:26:36.979 --> 01:26:42.020
current events. As a public school employee,

01:26:42.460 --> 01:26:45.340
So, assistant bishop and public school employee,

01:26:45.479 --> 01:26:48.000
I have tried to leverage my expertise into a

01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:50.579
Jesus -centered message as well. This year, my

01:26:50.579 --> 01:26:53.819
podcast, Deny Us Not Scripture Study, found wherever

01:26:53.819 --> 01:26:55.840
you get your podcasts, I'll make sure it's on

01:26:55.840 --> 01:26:58.699
the Godcaster, has focused on gospel teaching

01:26:58.699 --> 01:27:01.359
and how anyone can incorporate basic educational

01:27:01.359 --> 01:27:04.039
tools and strategies into their classroom or

01:27:04.039 --> 01:27:06.619
family teaching to increase the invited presence

01:27:06.619 --> 01:27:09.479
of the Holy Spirit. God bless, he says. Ryan

01:27:09.479 --> 01:27:12.180
Thompson. Wow. Thanks, Ryan. And he ends with

01:27:12.180 --> 01:27:14.460
a Dr. Seuss quote, unless someone like you cares

01:27:14.460 --> 01:27:16.739
a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better.

01:27:16.960 --> 01:27:20.279
It's not. Okay. Perfect. That's great. Darius

01:27:20.279 --> 01:27:24.640
Walker, 7714. There's some holy numbers there.

01:27:24.899 --> 01:27:27.060
Love that. Adam and Jimmy, you're all a great

01:27:27.060 --> 01:27:29.220
encouragement. I'm enjoying the podcast a lot.

01:27:29.340 --> 01:27:32.199
I just wish it were either more frequent or longer.

01:27:33.020 --> 01:27:36.779
Okay. Well, keep supporting us and we'll be able

01:27:36.779 --> 01:27:39.649
to shift. I love the format of the show. Thank

01:27:39.649 --> 01:27:42.529
you both for letting us peek into y 'all's lives

01:27:42.529 --> 01:27:44.710
with personal updates, followed by some analysis

01:27:44.710 --> 01:27:46.949
of local, national, and world news from a Christian

01:27:46.949 --> 01:27:49.229
worldview, and then landing it with gratitude.

01:27:49.850 --> 01:27:51.949
Also, I thought I'd throw my vote in for get

01:27:51.949 --> 01:27:54.789
to nation and maybe give an answer to what we

01:27:54.789 --> 01:27:58.010
get to do with my church's motto, love God, love

01:27:58.010 --> 01:28:01.710
people, love Jesus. This is where we get to,

01:28:01.710 --> 01:28:04.130
this is what we get to do every day. God bless

01:28:04.130 --> 01:28:06.449
to you and all of your families. Darius Walker,

01:28:06.670 --> 01:28:09.510
Charleston, West Virginia. He's a veteran. That's

01:28:09.510 --> 01:28:12.789
awesome. Love Darius. Eric Kistler sends us $50.

01:28:13.130 --> 01:28:15.470
Hey, Pastor Jimmy and Adam, great message on

01:28:15.470 --> 01:28:17.569
avoiding fatalism and staying proactive with

01:28:17.569 --> 01:28:19.270
the strength of the Lord. I look forward to the

01:28:19.270 --> 01:28:21.989
podcast each week. Appreciate the insights and

01:28:21.989 --> 01:28:26.020
more. Edward V. Cota, he had asked, he said,

01:28:26.079 --> 01:28:29.420
I don't want to send any fees to PayPal, so he

01:28:29.420 --> 01:28:33.619
sent a $20 check to the P .O. Box. It's at WGTDTdonations

01:28:33.619 --> 01:28:35.439
.com. There's all our P .O. Box information.

01:28:35.600 --> 01:28:38.180
We appreciate that. No fees. It's like, checks

01:28:38.180 --> 01:28:42.439
are great. Lindsay Carson sends us one, two,

01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:47.399
three, four, $12 .34. Adam and PJ, our pastor

01:28:47.399 --> 01:28:49.590
is named Jeremy in the youth group. kids call

01:28:49.590 --> 01:28:52.630
him PJ for Pastor Jeremy. Well, guess what? We

01:28:52.630 --> 01:28:55.529
call Pastor Jimmy PJ as well. At least the staff

01:28:55.529 --> 01:28:58.890
does. A lot of people. So she transferred the

01:28:58.890 --> 01:29:00.970
nickname. Almost every day I happen to see the

01:29:00.970 --> 01:29:04.510
time 1234 on the clock. Since I've always felt

01:29:04.510 --> 01:29:06.810
like numerology was incompatible with my faith,

01:29:06.930 --> 01:29:09.649
I chose to use that daily clock nudge as a chance

01:29:09.649 --> 01:29:12.670
for me to say a quick gratitude prayer. I love

01:29:12.670 --> 01:29:15.579
that. me too this donation amount represents

01:29:15.579 --> 01:29:17.939
my mini gratitude practice i'm grateful that

01:29:17.939 --> 01:29:20.100
you two followed in obedience to start we get

01:29:20.100 --> 01:29:23.000
to do this and i find great value in it already

01:29:23.000 --> 01:29:25.399
great meeting y 'all back oh that's right i remember

01:29:25.399 --> 01:29:27.600
lindsay she was at the meetup it's a great meeting

01:29:27.600 --> 01:29:29.539
y 'all back in april i hope to see you again

01:29:29.539 --> 01:29:31.779
someday perhaps visiting your church the next

01:29:31.779 --> 01:29:34.279
time i'm in town take care and carry on i think

01:29:34.279 --> 01:29:37.199
she was from south carolina remember we talked

01:29:37.199 --> 01:29:41.380
to her At the meetup. Yes. Yes. I do remember.

01:29:41.659 --> 01:29:44.619
Fantastic. Thank you, Lindsay. Joshua Hoover,

01:29:44.680 --> 01:29:50.960
$10. Love the podcast. CARBS. CARBS? Your take

01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:54.539
is not popular with us endurance. Oh, okay. CARBS.

01:29:54.880 --> 01:29:57.199
Your take is not popular with us endurance athletes.

01:29:57.359 --> 01:29:59.920
Fueling on high CARBS is crucial for high performance,

01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:03.920
but for most your guys, take is solid. God bless.

01:30:05.470 --> 01:30:07.390
There's always going to be some. Of course. I

01:30:07.390 --> 01:30:10.250
get it. I get it. But there's nothing like sending

01:30:10.250 --> 01:30:13.409
some support and then criticism. That's the best.

01:30:14.109 --> 01:30:16.210
I don't take that as criticism, man. No, not

01:30:16.210 --> 01:30:18.710
at all. Just taking a different route. I get

01:30:18.710 --> 01:30:21.409
it. $5 from Nicholas Stark. Thank you, Nicholas.

01:30:23.489 --> 01:30:27.329
Sir Cascadia from Portland, Oregon, $5. He says,

01:30:28.409 --> 01:30:31.850
hi gentlemen, please accept my humble $5 collection

01:30:31.850 --> 01:30:34.149
plate and offering in support if we get to do

01:30:34.149 --> 01:30:36.670
this. Keep on quenching our thirsty, tormented

01:30:36.670 --> 01:30:39.170
souls with the healing of the truth of Jesus

01:30:39.170 --> 01:30:42.149
and of God. Sir Cascadia from Portland, Oregon.

01:30:42.829 --> 01:30:47.770
Thank you, Duane Spellman, $1 .53. Thomas Fella.

01:30:48.879 --> 01:30:52.159
He says, this is for Robert Jensen. That's $1.

01:30:52.380 --> 01:30:55.140
Robert Jensen is my friend who passed away earlier

01:30:55.140 --> 01:30:58.319
this year and a great podcaster. And then finally,

01:30:59.199 --> 01:31:02.920
we received a beautiful gift from Sir Era Dadarian,

01:31:03.420 --> 01:31:06.319
who I know has been a No Agenda producer since

01:31:06.319 --> 01:31:09.380
the early, early days, probably episode one.

01:31:09.859 --> 01:31:13.279
He sent us four beautifully handmade crosses.

01:31:13.399 --> 01:31:15.239
And he has a note here. And I sent you a picture

01:31:15.239 --> 01:31:18.600
of it so you can see it. Dear Adam, Tina, Pastor

01:31:18.600 --> 01:31:21.020
Jimmy and Annette, I've made y 'all crosses from

01:31:21.020 --> 01:31:24.439
reclaimed American chestnut, which is over 150

01:31:24.439 --> 01:31:27.119
years old. The wood comes from barns that are

01:31:27.119 --> 01:31:29.939
torn down in Appalachia in Virginia. The trees

01:31:29.939 --> 01:31:31.960
that the wood was milled from were standing at

01:31:31.960 --> 01:31:34.760
the time of the U .S. Revolution. The red colored

01:31:34.760 --> 01:31:38.279
wood is African paddock and the purple is purple

01:31:38.279 --> 01:31:41.050
heart. Like me, the crosses are not perfect.

01:31:41.409 --> 01:31:43.289
I hope you can look past that. And when you look

01:31:43.289 --> 01:31:45.489
at the cross, you remember that he died for us

01:31:45.489 --> 01:31:49.229
on the cross in his service, Herodadarian. Beautiful

01:31:49.229 --> 01:31:52.350
gift. Beautiful gift. I can't wait to get my

01:31:52.350 --> 01:31:54.090
hands on those. Yeah. And they're all different

01:31:54.090 --> 01:31:56.949
sizes. I'm going to give you the big one, brother.

01:31:57.310 --> 01:32:00.430
Oh, thanks. I'll find a place for it, brother.

01:32:00.789 --> 01:32:02.850
So thank you all so much for supporting. We get

01:32:02.850 --> 01:32:05.909
to do this, Get2Nation. We appreciate you and

01:32:05.909 --> 01:32:09.529
we look forward to many, many more podcasts like

01:32:09.529 --> 01:32:11.829
this. We're actually coming up on our first anniversary.

01:32:12.810 --> 01:32:16.289
Can you believe it? Yeah, 46 episodes in. We

01:32:16.289 --> 01:32:20.869
started on September 3rd, 2025, which is my birthday.

01:32:22.250 --> 01:32:27.010
Tina's like, this is a mistake. You got to do

01:32:27.010 --> 01:32:29.510
a one -year anniversary and a birthday donation.

01:32:30.430 --> 01:32:33.689
Okay. Wow, that's cool. That's the no agenda

01:32:33.689 --> 01:32:35.869
way. I didn't realize that. Yeah, I didn't realize

01:32:35.869 --> 01:32:39.850
it. Anyway, brother, thank you so much for delaying

01:32:39.850 --> 01:32:42.750
the last few hours of the conference. If you

01:32:42.750 --> 01:32:44.350
could just close us out in some prayer, that'd

01:32:44.350 --> 01:32:46.170
be wonderful. Yeah, yeah. I'm just going to start

01:32:46.170 --> 01:32:49.130
with a prayer that I prayed at the end of the

01:32:49.130 --> 01:32:51.970
daily grind. because it really is, it's one of

01:32:51.970 --> 01:32:54.710
those draw a line in the sand kind of things.

01:32:54.850 --> 01:32:58.329
And it simply goes like this, Father, I choose

01:32:58.329 --> 01:33:01.670
to be a truth teller, no matter the cost. Jesus

01:33:01.670 --> 01:33:05.069
died for me. The least I can do is live for him.

01:33:05.369 --> 01:33:08.989
And if need, lay down my earthly tent for his

01:33:08.989 --> 01:33:14.300
glory in Jesus' name. Amen, amen And with that

01:33:14.300 --> 01:33:16.619
we will be back next week with another episode

01:33:16.619 --> 01:33:20.420
of we get to do this. Thank you, brother