July 29, 2026
We Get To Do This - Danger Will Robinson!
Adam shares the transition he's been hearing all week and a word prayed over him at church that confirmed it. Adam & Pastor Jimmy take apart the reverend telling CNBC that AI needs "guardrails," with help from a 1965 robot who put it better: "I am only the end result of those who programmed me." It's all on Episode 43 of We Get To Do This!
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Abba Father, Lord Jesus, Holy Spirit, we are
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so thankful to be here today. It is such a privilege
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to break from the regular routine of the things
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we do, and we do a lot of things, we spend a
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lot of plates, but it is our privilege to get
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to do this. We get to do this. So Lord, we pray
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specifically for those that will... listen to
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this, whether they're doing it on purpose, or
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they find us somehow, or somebody sends it to
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them, that they will find themselves encouraged,
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inspired, and sometimes even challenged. And
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so, Lord, we give this to you. We fire the arrows.
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You pick the target. In Jesus' name. Amen. Amen.
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It's Wednesday, July 29th, 2026. We get to do
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this. This is episode number 43. Hello brother,
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how you doing? I'm doing great. I was just locking
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my car remotely so You know, have you actually
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done the remote start? Yes. I keep forgetting.
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I do too. I'm walking out of H -E -B. I'm like,
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oh man, oh, it's 98 degrees. It's always an H
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-E -B. And I didn't do it. When we go to the
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gym, I always remember because I'm hot. I'm feeling
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it. But I always forget at the grocery store.
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I get there, why am I paying for this? Well,
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it's a freebie right now. It is. I would do a
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freebie too. And then it's going to be, oh, and
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this costs you $5 a month. I don't think that's
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worth it. There's a lot of these little nuances
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that pop up. subscription life, right? I mean,
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you may or may not have a few subscriptions.
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I've actually been paring down. It's a job going
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back in because they don't make it easy for you
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to unsubscribe. You know, I was listening to
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the clips show of No Agenda with John C. Dvorak,
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who we'll talk about a little bit in a moment.
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And there was a really old clip. And I knew it
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was old because of the sound quality, you know,
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back in the Skype days and latency and lag and
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everything. EQ is real different on those old
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days. It was halfway across the world. I was
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in London at the time. And he was talking about,
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I forget the guy's name, a Silicon Valley guy.
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He said, that in the future, everything we think
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as things we buy and own will be licensed and
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will be on subscription. And in time, John was
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talking about books, music, and movies, because
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back in those days, you know, 15, 16 years ago,
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you downloaded songs, you owned them, you could
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put them on different devices, you had DVDs.
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And he was right. All of that has gone. And now
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it's moving to the automobile. The minute you
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open the door, you basically have signed a license.
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They, oh yeah, I agree to these terms. Not necessarily
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a good thing. Well, we've heard that wonderful
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quote from the World Economic Forum. Oh yeah,
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you will own nothing and you will be happy. Yeah.
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So not so much. Like, how many subscriptions
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do I have? Wait, where's that? Because the net's
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always going. What's this $6 .37 charge? Bro,
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Tina opened up one of the bank accounts, which
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literally just is there for PayPal stuff, because
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it goes from that bank account to PayPal. He's
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like, what is this Brmafidnava for $17? Because
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it's all abbreviated. Right. You have to look
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at the PayPal. He's like, what? What is all this?
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You give a lot of money to Google. I said, no,
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I do subscriptions through Google. That's why
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it shows up as Google. Is it just me or is the
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on -ramp so easy, but the off -ramp is a nightmare?
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I've actually found that if you do everything
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through Google Payments, the off ramp is pretty
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easy. You just say stop. I've been lazy. So I'm
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just like, yeah, what am I on right now? Okay.
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And then I have to run it all back down. Fortunately,
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I've got it down to where it's just a couple,
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just a very few things, but I'm trying to be
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cautious about that. So this is a moment for
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me to exhale. I've been working up, working up
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to this, just running, running, running, gunning,
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getting everything ready. You know, we have since
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the passing of my other podcast partner, John
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C. Dvorak, things are changing, things are morphing.
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I feel like I'm also trying to be there for another
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family, because we are family, be it intercontinental.
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We've never really talked about personal stuff
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per se. It's always been business, but always
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laughing and always joking. And so that's still
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laughter through the tears, you know, and whereas
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we're trying to figure stuff out. And John gave
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plenty of opportunities to laugh. And that's
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one of the, I think is one of his greatest contributions,
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even if he was being a curmudgeon. I was always
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disappointed if I listened to the show and he
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wasn't a curmudgeon. I'm like, hey, he's in a
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good mood. I think you and 98 % of the people.
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I love the chemistry that you guys had. Something
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has happened to me, which is kind of odd for
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me, but it's beautiful. Brutal, maybe is a better
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word. Because I'm such good friends with you
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and Tina, Annette and I, And because we've walked
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together now for three years, pretty much nonstop.
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I mean, we've traveled together, we've done a
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lot of things, and now we're doing this. But
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I have, I feel like I've either been adopted
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into the No Agenda Nation, Gitmo Nation, or I've
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just adopted mine. I just barged in and crashed
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the party because I've been blessed to go to
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some of the meetups, a couple of local here.
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out at Jenny's place and then out over in Austin,
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a couple of those. And so that's about four that
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I've been to. And every time I've gone, I came
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away lifted, inspired. I love meeting, you know
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me, man, I couldn't walk down the hall here without
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having a conversation. We always start the podcast
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late. Oh, we saw five people we knew at HEB yesterday.
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What could have taken five minutes was an hour.
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I'm just here for dental floss, people. Let me
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go. I'm here for a gallon of milk. Well, you
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are a part of Knowage and the Nation. I feel
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like I am. And an important part because the
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more I listen to what people have to say and
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thousands of emails, I'm trying to get through
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all of them, the donation notes which you got
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over the past two episodes, I noticed that Yes,
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people came for the media deconstruction, for
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the clips, et cetera, but it was the chemistry
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between us that made it work, which is always
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the case with a podcast. It doesn't matter what
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you're talking about. People want to listen in
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on the conversation, and they like the dynamic,
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and that's a big part of it. So you were as much
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an extension into the show as... As my daughter
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as my wife as you know all these different people
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who are around me, but also This is the big thing
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that I noticed when all of these notes came in
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65 % at least were godly spiritual believers
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not you know, there were some faith thoughts
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and prayers. Oh, yeah You know, there's there's
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a lot of that and well wishes and I'm not discounting
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that all good, but a lot of godly people and
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I I hope that my openness about my faith helps,
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and we've had some actual feedback that people
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said, oh, because you did that, now I feel like
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I can be more open about it. And you've seen
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it, the meetups, people come up to you and it's
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not just, hey, you're a friend of mine. It's
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like, pastor, I got some questions. Yeah, it's
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been beautiful. Because people are always asking
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questions. People are writing me too, which is
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really nice. I've enjoyed it. I answered one
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even just this morning. And I love that. I love
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that interaction. you know, we may not always
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be able to be in each other's face, but we are
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in each other's space, so to speak, so in our
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orbits. And so I love it. What it is for me,
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it's a pastor's heart, it's a shepherd's heart.
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So the shepherd wants to protect the flock and
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the sheep. And it's like the Lord's extended
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my flock, or at least my heart for the flock,
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so to speak, where I'm just so, I'm feeling some
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of the grief and weight that that the family
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is because it's tragic anytime somebody passes
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and all that's hard anyway. We grieve and we
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should grieve well and grieve fully. I remember
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my mother passed, I was young, she passed at
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45 so I was in like a sophomore in college. And
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when she passed, I went to, I didn't feel a lot
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of grief instantly. I'm a delayed griever. So
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I got there and I was thinking about this in
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terms of even listening to you on the show, have
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some moments where there was a break in your
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voice, you know? Absolutely. But I know why.
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It's the same reason I do. I don't often grieve
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for myself personally. I will later when everybody's
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okay. But in the moment, I'll grieve for those
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that I see hurting, that I see broken. I think
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you felt that same weight as you were manning
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the microphone. Completely. Because you were
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smack dab in the middle of it. You're in the
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other part of that equation and that chemistry.
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But what I heard in your voice, especially when
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you read that opener on the Sunday, that was
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a shepherd's heart. It wasn't just a friend or
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a business partner. It was actually a shepherd's
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heart, a pastoral heart that's driven by Christ
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in His kingdom and His kingdom alive in you.
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You were feeling those things. You were empathizing.
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And I'm feeling the same thing for... So I've
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written several daily grinds specific... Yeah,
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for No Agenda Nation. To No Jits, and oh, I'm
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posting it everywhere else. But really, this
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is for that group that's hurting, that group
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that's confused or just struggling right now.
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Normal grief. It is normal. It doesn't feel normal
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when you're in it. Mm -hmm. Yeah, but it but
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it won't last forever. Yes. It's but you got
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to go through it. You can't go around it It's
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funny that I only broke up a couple times during
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the show and the the hardest one was being Mmm,
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was it Thursday or whatever? There was a donation
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note from a ham radio operator And when a ham
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radio operator passes away, he becomes an SK,
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a silent key, from the old Morse code key. Oh,
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you're right. I tear up again. I don't know why
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this gets me. Brother, feel it. Let it go. So
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you go on the air, and you call out his call
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sign, and then you wait. And so he had recorded
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this here. And he calls that again, third time.
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He says, OK. Nothing heard, silent key. That's
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very much like the police officers, what they
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do, the firefighters. They have a ceremonial
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radio moment for the whole, everybody listening.
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That's what it was. It's honor is what it is.
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It hit me so hard because we were... hack hams.
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We just became hams for the lark of it and just
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to tell people you should become a ham radio
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operator just in case the world crumbles. You
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need a way to communicate. We would always be
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able to do the show on ham radio. All those dystopian
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movies have one ham radio operator who's broadcasting
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across the desolate landscape. It was always
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us. He was always a little wacko in the movies
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though. He's a little weird. Again, always us,
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same guy. I'd been feeling a pull towards doing
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things for the kingdom for a long time. Look
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at why we're doing this podcast. That wasn't
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by accident. I'd been feeling this pull for a
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long time and with John's really sudden passing,
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immediately I started to feel things, and not
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just what I feel or what I'm hearing in prayer,
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but also the scripture. I think I might have
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mentioned this to you, but it's like God pre
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-wrote everything and put it in exactly on the
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27th of July, 2026, so I would read that. But
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it was everywhere. It was about transition. with
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death. I just wrote down a couple of scriptures
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that popped up, Joshua 1, 2 and 5, Moses, my
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servant is dead, now therefore arise, go over
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as Jordan, thou and all... I got the King James,
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and all his people unto the land which I do give
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to them. As I was with Moses, I will be with
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thee, I will not fail thee nor forsake thee.
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Joshua 1 .9, have I not commanded thee, be strong
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and be of good courage, be not afraid, neither
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be dismayed, for the Lord the God is with thee
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wherever you go. I got, when the road ahead is
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unclear, Psalm 37 .23. Of course, that's the
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steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord and
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he delights in the details of his life. But also
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in Proverbs 3, trust in the Lord with all your
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heart and lean not into your own understanding
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and always acknowledge Him and He will direct
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your paths. So, I mean, and it just went on and
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on, Jimmy, just it did not stop. And then, of
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course, the new thing, how struck by, wait a
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minute, where was I? I think I had it here. What
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is the passing of the mantle? Is that from Elijah?
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I had it here somewhere. Elijah tears his clothes
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and picks up the mantle. Elijah tears his clothes
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and picks up the mantle and goes back to work
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the same day. So all these things, and for me
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it means a handoff, a transition, new things,
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literally new things were popping up. I got a
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I think it was a devotional from Krish Dhanam.
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Yeah, yeah, I got that same devotional. It was
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good. Yeah, he had 1 Corinthians 10, 13, no temptation
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has overtaken you that is not common to man.
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God is faithful. He will not let you be tempted
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beyond your ability, but with temptation He will
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also provide the way of escape and you may be
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able to endure it. And he has a, you know, so
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he has a whole devotional and a call to action.
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Trust the hands beside you, rest in the hold
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above you, guard the heart within you, walk boldly
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toward the hope ahead of you." And it was this,
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like constant, constant, constant. Now, maybe
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it's because you get a 10 -speed bike, you see
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10 -speed bikes everywhere, but I don't think
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it was that. I think it was something else going
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on. That's a Holy Spirit -inspired filter. It's
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a new filter, a new grid. Yes. And so as I'm
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feeling all of this and I'm thinking, well, first
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of all, we're taking two weeks off from No Agenda,
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but I was already very clear like there's going
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to be change and that change is going to be me
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in particular because I have other things to
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do. And I can't just, you know, it's not like
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your wife passes away and here's my new wife
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and it's going to be the same. We were each other's
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work wise for lack of a better analogy. And that's
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just not how it works. And you can't just like
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start a new Chemistry with somebody whereas I've
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literally started we've been talking about doing
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the show for three years before we even started
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it So I could hit record three years ago, right?
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So, you know then there but then there's also
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there's another family that depends on yeah the
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finances of it and wars and us too and this is
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you know, this is the thing where this past week
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has been Of course also had got a granddaughter.
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So it's been incredibly joyous incredibly sad
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And then fear sets in, like, oh, what now? So
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now what? I mean, for more than 15 years of my
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work life, I've had one job, really. And I've
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done lots of other things, but I've had one job.
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And this job has sustained our lifestyle. We're
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not super wealthy. We are more than comfortable.
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And I'm super happy with that because I don't
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need anymore. It's fine. But then you start thinking,
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well, what if, you know, so this will go down,
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will it go up? Do I struggle with somebody else?
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And you know when you start down that, the enemy
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just jumps in right away. He's an opportunist
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and he takes, he leverages things against us.
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So when we have that one, that thought creeps
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in, we give it a little power, we entertain it
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for a moment. And it's like tipping the first
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domino and they just start to go. And I'm so
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grateful. to Jesus that I was saved because this
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is exactly the season where I need my faith to
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be able to at night just crawl up next to Tina
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and say, Lord Jesus, Father Abba, just hold us.
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Hold us, make us feel secure. People don't realize,
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you know, I don't know what, people don't know
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me really. They know me, but they don't. I mean,
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without no agenda, you know, I have no income.
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There's an identity piece that happens. So I
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pastored a church in Abilene, we were 60 % military.
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So we would see these guys and we'd go to their
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ceremonies, their 20 year when they exit and
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retire. And it was so, the ceremony is always
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amazing. And man, it's a big party, there's food
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and friends and family come from all over. It's
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a big hurrah. And then when the lights go down
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and all the party stuff's gone away, Those guys
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go home and go, what do I do now? Their entire
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identity for 20 years, I thought about you, was
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wrapped up in one thing. And so that's another
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thing you have to grieve. You have to. You have
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to grieve, okay, this is a part of who I am.
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It will always be a part of who I am, but it
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is not my primary purpose now. My mission has
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changed. My directive has changed. working for
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the kingdom with Godcaster and we've been doing
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this show. And you know me that I've never really
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worried about money because it was always there
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and something always happened. That's since 1990.
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So I'm not, you know, panic stricken by that.
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But also I'm like, okay. What am I going to do?
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How do we move forward? We have savings, you
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know, how long, you know, it's all these things.
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And you're not worried about yourself, but you
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have a wife. A wife, and that's another person
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in the equation. Another family. Right. And so
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it felt very much like everyone's looking at
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me, not just the families, but an entire audience
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of producers are looking at me. What are you
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going to do? And so my, I mean, I think I told
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you, I heard this so clear. Darren and Larry,
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you guys, I'm gonna, my machine will, my process
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will deliver the clips. You guys have a great
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chemistry. steer the ship for a bit. I'll pop
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in on Thursday. We'll see how it feels. There
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has to be a transition. And this, one of my devotionals,
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of course, I forgot to bring the book with me
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this morning. It was all about transition. Is
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it the one your daughter gave you? Yes, it is.
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That guy is good, by the way. I've been looking
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at some of his stuff. He's amazing. I like it.
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And the fact that my daughter gave it to me just
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blows me away. So, but I, everywhere, trust in
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the Lord. I know he has a plan. I know it's a
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plan for good and no matter what it is. And God
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bless Tina because she's like, I'm with you.
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Whatever it is, whatever God has in store for
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us, let's just listen, listen, listen, try to
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be obedient and follow and stay the course. And
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so everything for me points towards we get to
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do this. but that doesn't mean I'm just dropping
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no agenda. I'm an active producer and I will
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be a voice on it. It'll be cool. I love the fact
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that you're gonna be popping in. It's almost
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better unannounced like, oh, by the way, we got
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Adam on the line. I think that's so comforting
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for people. Yeah, but also just looking at the
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mix of audience, I think that the... identity
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that I had for 16 years and now I have a new
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identity which has been that way for the past
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three, it's a different identity and it requires
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a different output. So Sunday Tina and I come
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to the early service as usual. I'm laughing at
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you, I love you so much because you know what's
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coming and you're pretending like you don't know
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because Tina told the net. So I know you already
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know. No, actually, I'm a little blind. Oh, really?
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Okay, we have three teenagers in our house right
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now. I'm a little bit fuzzy because we're talking
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about what to put in the news. We're doing a
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newsletter now wgtdt .com. Make sure you sign
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up for the newsletter, become a subscriber there.
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And so we're going through because this is a
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big part the success of any value for value podcast.
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You got to have a newsletter. You have to continue.
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You know, people have busy lives. You got to
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remind them what's coming. And I say, okay, I'm
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going to talk about this. And she says, did you
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talk with Jimmy about this? I said, no. In fact,
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I told him, I'll tell you what it is on the show.
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Oh, oh, I told Annette. I'm like, oh, oh, anyway,
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it doesn't matter because the story is still
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the same. So great service. You were on fire.
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As usual, the worship team was amazing. And then
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as you're landing, first of all, I have to say
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one of our people, I forget her name. She came
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up to me during the Say Hi to Your Neighbor,
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the little mini meetup segment. And she says,
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I just want to say, I love listening to you and
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John. And I only came in when he had his bypass,
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and then it started to come. She was talking
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about her son had a bypass, and her parents had
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it. And she just broke down, like, come on. You
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were already moving into the mess. Cracked up.
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I saw y 'all talking. Yeah, because she was just.
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But I saw it looks as serious, so I just kept
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going. But I knew y 'all were staying there for
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a bit. Yeah, and I sat her down. It was comforting
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for me, and I hope for her. Anyway. Oh, it was.
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So you have a great message. And near the end,
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I'm thinking, oh, man, because the prayer team
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comes up. And I'm thinking to myself, we should
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probably just have someone pray over us. Maybe
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it should be Garrett. And I didn't say anything.
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And then I said, Tina, would you like someone
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to pray over us? She says, yeah, I think it has
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to be Garrett. OK. So all right. I said, well,
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wow. OK. So we go over to Garrett. And I don't
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know much about Garrett other than he runs the
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men's minute. He has a, like a men's thing on
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- He's a group leader. Yeah, on Thursdays, I
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believe. Nice guy. Great guy. Tina sees him in
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the gym all the time. And he says, oh, I was
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hoping you would come over because I have something
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for you. And I'm like, okay, well, that's interesting.
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And he says - I wish I could have recorded it
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because I can never get the words exactly right.
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And would you say Garrett has some prophetic
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nature to himself? Oh, absolutely. He does. Yeah,
00:24:03.769 --> 00:24:05.589
I've noticed that about him. It's a gift, yes.
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A spiritual gift. Yeah, he definitely has a spiritual
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gift. And he says, you know, something is changing,
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something big is happening. You need to transition.
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There's that word again. And however, I see that
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there's something very important you got to be
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doing. You need to be you need to be spreading,
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I think I've said the voice of God, but you need
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to be spreading God through your voice. And he
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just kept on going. He said, do you know about
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my podcast partner? He said, no, I know you do
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a podcast. I'm not quite sure. I said, well,
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he just passed away. And he says, there it is.
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There it is. And I mean, I am giving you the
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abbreviated version. I wish you could have heard
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it. But we both looked at each other like, Okay,
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there's more confirmation. So from now on when
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someone says they have a word for you, pull out
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your phone and hit record. I've learned that
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the hard way because I can remember everything.
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That is a good idea. It has been so helpful and
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saved my bacon a few times where I thought, I
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know they said something like that. Wow. Yeah.
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So anyway, next time. So I'm going to do that.
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Beautiful. And there is a transition and I can't...
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Nor do I want to drop knowledge in the nation,
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but I have to put my focus elsewhere because
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that is what I'm being told to do. It's a new
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chapter, a new season. Yes. But here's the deal.
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When you read a book, you don't turn into a new
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chapter and then rip the old chapter out of the
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book and throw it in the trash. It stays in the
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book and it becomes a complete story. So this
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is another part of the narrative, a story arc
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of your life. But it doesn't go away. No, no,
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no, no, no, it's it. This is the hardest part
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is How do I you know still keep? Still I still
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want to be a part of what that was this is that
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this is really the hardest part I get it in fact
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Garrett said there's something you idolize you
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have to give up and it's probably that It's probably
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the old identity But there's a sense of if it
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wasn't just me The choice would be so much easier
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got it and so I'm Looking for encouragement to
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make this move A lot of people won't understand
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it, but I hope a lot of people will that's that's
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it But again, so there has to be a transition
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until I feel that that ship is sailing and and
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I'll still be involved in production in right
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because I'm good at it and and it and it's It's
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something that I enjoy doing and I almost first
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nature to you. Yes, and I do it I do it for this
00:26:47.390 --> 00:26:50.710
show I do it for myself. So but I feel it has
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to be And I continuously hear someone else can
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be successful doing this I hear that a lot like
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hey, maybe someone else needs to come in here.
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It's not all like downhill It's like no this
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could actually be fantastic. That's you know,
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that's that's that's what I'm feeling So you
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you've moved into a new? new season of your life.
00:27:11.299 --> 00:27:13.799
You leveled up last year, so you're in year two
00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:17.059
of level six, right? Yeah. Yeah. So there you
00:27:17.059 --> 00:27:20.299
are, you're what, 61, correct? Yep. Okay. So
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there's something that happens even in the developmental
00:27:22.819 --> 00:27:26.740
psychology of every man, where you move from
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that place of, you're claiming your mountain,
00:27:29.619 --> 00:27:31.519
you're building your mountain, you're building
00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:35.059
your empire, all that. Something shifts dramatically
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around 58, 65, just depends on the individual.
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Where you shift from it's all about me to where
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now it's all about the next gen Yeah, it's called
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legacy thinking you move into legacy mentality
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and I think you're really there With no agenda
00:27:52.420 --> 00:27:54.359
and that's that's what you're feeling. Yeah,
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you're like, I know I need to still be a voice
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I mean, I'm kind of daddy. I mean, you know,
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yeah not just pod father You're you're what you're
00:28:03.099 --> 00:28:06.119
one of two founders. Yeah, so you'll always have
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:09.259
that'll always be a part of you But yet you still
00:28:09.259 --> 00:28:11.700
need to you get to move forward, but now you
00:28:11.700 --> 00:28:14.900
get to help these guys Yeah, begin to build theirs
00:28:14.900 --> 00:28:17.960
and that's exciting. So you're gonna get to mentor
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:21.579
coach. Yeah Disciple if you will. Yeah, these
00:28:21.579 --> 00:28:25.240
guys into their their season and I have had a
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:27.900
real I've gotten a real kick out of setting them
00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:31.180
up for Thursday show and you know getting them
00:28:31.180 --> 00:28:33.319
all you love doing the jingles and the sound
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:35.480
effects and the whole and it's actually like
00:28:35.549 --> 00:28:37.890
I'm building interfaces for them, like, oh, this
00:28:37.890 --> 00:28:39.690
is going to be so cool, be so easy for them.
00:28:39.710 --> 00:28:43.910
If only I had this 10 years ago. So yeah, thank
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you. That's a good way of looking at it. Yes.
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So, man, I look forward to doing more of this
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too. Like maybe not just once a week, but maybe
00:28:56.349 --> 00:28:59.269
more than once. Because I think people need it.
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And now I'm going to make the smoothest of all
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transitions into into a couple of clips. It's
00:29:07.059 --> 00:29:08.859
like a record going errr. I don't know how to
00:29:08.859 --> 00:29:11.059
get out of it. Slam on the brakes. Speaking of
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AI. Right turn. Do you know who Reverend Walter
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.460
Kim is? I don't. It's not ringing a bell. He
00:29:18.460 --> 00:29:23.660
is supposedly, he speaks for all, for the religious
00:29:23.660 --> 00:29:27.319
community. Oh. Well, it's always good to know
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:29.279
I have a spokesperson that I didn't know about.
00:29:29.380 --> 00:29:31.700
He is president of the National Association of
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Evangelicals. I did not elect him. I'm just saying.
00:29:35.019 --> 00:29:37.460
He's there. Disclaimer. But this is always what's
00:29:37.460 --> 00:29:39.680
interesting. And I figured that. I've never heard
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:43.019
of this guy. No. But it's good that there's someone
00:29:43.019 --> 00:29:46.180
out there talking about faith and artificial
00:29:46.180 --> 00:29:49.259
intelligence. But this was such an interesting
00:29:49.259 --> 00:29:53.460
conversation because it took place on CNBC, the
00:29:53.460 --> 00:29:57.240
financial channel. Which I know why they brought
00:29:57.240 --> 00:29:59.519
them in because, you know, everything's in flux
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:03.579
now. Are the Chinese going to win the AI race,
00:30:03.740 --> 00:30:06.339
which by itself is just, I mean, we never heard
00:30:06.339 --> 00:30:09.720
that China is going to win the Microsoft Office
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:11.619
race. They're going to have a better spreadsheet
00:30:11.619 --> 00:30:14.240
before us. You know, you never heard that. So
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:16.720
they're positioning this as like some moonshot.
00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:18.740
Right. Like the moon landing. Who's going to
00:30:18.740 --> 00:30:20.779
land first? And by the way, let's just be honest.
00:30:21.220 --> 00:30:23.319
So we went to the moon. Let's just presume we
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:26.200
went to the moon. Okay, I'm skeptical about the
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:28.460
We might have actually flown around at this time.
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We went to the moon What what did we get out
00:30:32.500 --> 00:30:35.220
of it? I mean space travel satellites. Yeah,
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I'm there we went to the moon. It's a really
00:30:37.859 --> 00:30:42.700
bad video What was it what was the what was the
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the benefit to science that we went there or
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:50.519
to our lives in directly? Psychological. Well,
00:30:50.539 --> 00:30:53.859
there you go. We won. We win. Well, exactly.
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:57.339
So now we're in this place with technology where,
00:30:57.579 --> 00:31:00.579
well, we may not win. Meanwhile, nobody's making
00:31:00.579 --> 00:31:04.339
any money. I love Lindsey Graham, rest in peace.
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:09.000
Bernie Sanders, who's like, we need to have 50
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:12.720
% of all of these AI models should be part of
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.960
the American public should get that money. I'm
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:18.430
like, Bernie. they are burning hundreds of billions
00:31:18.430 --> 00:31:21.529
of dollars. We don't want to be responsible for
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that. Well, you know my opinion about AI and
00:31:26.329 --> 00:31:28.029
where it's at and what it can and what it can't
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do. But when I listen to the good Reverend Kim,
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there's some reasons for concern and I just wanted
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to play a couple clips so we can talk about it
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because we both use Robots, artificial intelligence
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is just a joke. It's a tool. It's a hammer. Because
00:31:44.210 --> 00:31:49.309
we know what the output we need is. It's not
00:31:49.309 --> 00:31:52.250
like we're exploring and we say, okay, give me
00:31:52.250 --> 00:31:54.369
the reason for the fall of the Roman Empire.
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You know, every robot chatbot will give you an
00:31:58.029 --> 00:32:00.809
answer and it will be as correct as any other
00:32:00.809 --> 00:32:03.069
answer because there's not one reason why the
00:32:03.069 --> 00:32:05.390
Roman Empire fell. And that'll just be up to
00:32:05.390 --> 00:32:08.430
the training that I got. But some things that
00:32:08.430 --> 00:32:10.849
it can do in cross -referencing and researching
00:32:10.849 --> 00:32:13.910
where you know the outcome you want, I know the
00:32:13.910 --> 00:32:17.690
outcome I need, I can quality control that process
00:32:17.690 --> 00:32:19.930
until the thing does it and then it is literally
00:32:19.930 --> 00:32:23.509
a robot. It's doing what I need it to do to give
00:32:23.509 --> 00:32:25.710
me the result that I already know is the correct
00:32:25.710 --> 00:32:28.509
result for me. So it's a robot with a small r.
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Thank you. Robot with a small r. There you go.
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That's it. That's a t -shirt. That's a title.
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Here's the intro to the Reverend Kim. Religious
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leaders are increasingly speaking out in warning
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:43.859
against the dangers of artificial intelligence
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in a recent op -ed in the Wall Street Journal.
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Revered Walters, Kim argues that the speed of
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AI developments coming before guardrails can
00:32:52.660 --> 00:32:56.099
be put in place, writing, this technology permeating
00:32:56.099 --> 00:32:58.480
our lives in ways beyond our awareness, the risks
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:01.670
of AI superintelligence run from economic upheaval
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to the concentration of power in the hands of
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whatever cooperation or government wins the AI
00:33:07.069 --> 00:33:09.130
technology race. Joining us right now is the
00:33:09.130 --> 00:33:11.410
president of the National Association of Evangelicals,
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Reverend Walter Kim. Reverend, help us understand
00:33:16.349 --> 00:33:18.589
where you think all this goes and what you think
00:33:18.589 --> 00:33:22.390
the sort of moral implications are. Yeah, thanks
00:33:22.390 --> 00:33:25.269
for having me on. You know, let me begin by saying
00:33:25.269 --> 00:33:28.750
there is tremendous potential in AI that's already
00:33:28.750 --> 00:33:31.470
being realized in virtually every sector of society,
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whether it's the optimization of medical care
00:33:33.750 --> 00:33:36.690
and its delivery, the diagnoses that are being
00:33:36.690 --> 00:33:40.710
improved, much less the actual treatments, education,
00:33:41.829 --> 00:33:44.569
and the optimization of workflows. I mean, on
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and on and on. There are positive benefits, but
00:33:46.890 --> 00:33:50.059
there are also extraordinary harms. whether it's
00:33:50.059 --> 00:33:52.920
the encouragement of children committing suicide,
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the disproportionate invasions of privacy, lack
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of transparency. So I think what we need to pursue
00:34:00.980 --> 00:34:05.859
is an approach that involves various sectors
00:34:05.859 --> 00:34:09.739
of society to provide guardrails, not a break
00:34:09.739 --> 00:34:13.400
to innovation. by guardrails. And this can include
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:17.179
national standards to disclose when AI -generated
00:34:17.179 --> 00:34:21.579
content is presented. It includes human oversight
00:34:21.579 --> 00:34:24.800
in all the high -stake decisions being made by
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:28.699
AI, in healthcare and education, in the use of
00:34:28.699 --> 00:34:32.239
military force, and the development of a global
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:36.219
independent audit agency to see if AI systems
00:34:36.219 --> 00:34:39.440
are in fact serving the common good. Okay. The
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:41.920
Good Reverend is all over the map, has no idea
00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:44.619
what he's talking about. And what he's saying
00:34:44.619 --> 00:34:47.619
is more dangerous than anything. So first of
00:34:47.619 --> 00:34:50.340
all, there's a big difference between AI generated
00:34:50.340 --> 00:34:54.099
content and medical diagnoses. There's no real
00:34:54.099 --> 00:34:56.860
evidence that there's that any of this is happening
00:34:56.860 --> 00:35:00.780
or that there's no cure for cancer yet. The only
00:35:00.780 --> 00:35:02.360
thing he said that was correct was workflows,
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:04.880
improved workflows. I think he's right there.
00:35:04.900 --> 00:35:09.300
But then he confuses. chat bots. And I will remain
00:35:09.300 --> 00:35:14.019
that a chat bot is evil. It is because it tricks
00:35:14.019 --> 00:35:16.619
your brain into thinking you're talking to a
00:35:16.619 --> 00:35:19.099
human being. Yes, that needs to be that should
00:35:19.099 --> 00:35:21.739
be actually forbidden. But, you know, who am
00:35:21.739 --> 00:35:24.619
I to say? But when you talk about guardrails
00:35:24.619 --> 00:35:28.960
and blue ribbon committees, that's never ever,
00:35:29.179 --> 00:35:34.199
ever, ever going to work. So You know, this started
00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:36.940
off wrong for me, but then I think it's Joe Kern,
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:38.800
and I like that guy a lot, by the way, the old
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:42.000
curmudgeon on CNBC. He goes straight to the real
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:46.320
crux of the matter. Reverend, big picture philosophically,
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:49.659
is there a concern? And I'm not talking about
00:35:49.659 --> 00:35:53.360
maybe now or five years or 10 years, but this
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:57.989
is incredible technology that... I don't want
00:35:57.989 --> 00:36:00.789
to call it almighty, but in 50 years, it probably
00:36:00.789 --> 00:36:04.969
borders on something that is almost, again, I
00:36:04.969 --> 00:36:06.829
don't want to say godlike, but we are headed
00:36:06.829 --> 00:36:09.889
to something that we've never experienced before.
00:36:09.929 --> 00:36:11.250
And that's why there's even something called
00:36:11.250 --> 00:36:13.329
the singularity. We don't know what... Do you
00:36:13.329 --> 00:36:14.989
know what the singularity is? I don't. I've heard
00:36:14.989 --> 00:36:16.829
the term, but I don't know. So the singularity
00:36:16.829 --> 00:36:19.210
is a term, it's like a science fiction term,
00:36:19.230 --> 00:36:22.869
and I'm... I can't remember who coined it, but
00:36:22.869 --> 00:36:26.369
it's where... Man and machine meld and become
00:36:26.369 --> 00:36:29.889
one so if you have gotcha the idea is like The
00:36:29.889 --> 00:36:32.070
computer is reading your thoughts and executing
00:36:32.070 --> 00:36:34.369
things. It's you know, so Elon's talked about
00:36:34.369 --> 00:36:37.710
this Well, he has the he has the mind forget
00:36:37.710 --> 00:36:40.269
what is called the the probe stuff that you know
00:36:40.269 --> 00:36:44.030
connects to the computer But I already believe
00:36:44.030 --> 00:36:47.210
if you really look at it on its face Singularity
00:36:47.210 --> 00:36:49.650
is where we are melding with chatbots. I mean,
00:36:49.710 --> 00:36:52.210
so there's a There's a version of that happening
00:36:52.210 --> 00:36:55.469
already. I mean, we are already melded into our
00:36:55.469 --> 00:36:59.210
phones. It's just singularity somehow presumes
00:36:59.210 --> 00:37:05.349
that the interface is no longer air gapped. It's
00:37:05.349 --> 00:37:08.210
connected to you. It's within you. And I think
00:37:08.210 --> 00:37:11.070
most of these Silicon Valley guys, I believe
00:37:11.070 --> 00:37:14.250
many who are not believers, they would really
00:37:14.250 --> 00:37:17.380
like to see this to have eternal life. to live
00:37:17.380 --> 00:37:21.980
on, to be uploaded to the cloud and their being,
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:25.679
their mind can be re -uploaded into a new being
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:29.579
on earth. It's just a very sad way of them finding
00:37:29.579 --> 00:37:32.179
eternal life. Yeah, who wants to be trapped here?
00:37:32.659 --> 00:37:35.460
Let's be real. Let's get honest. We'll continue.
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.039
Societies around the world, there are plenty
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:41.880
of societies that are secular at this point that
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:45.239
have seemed to de -emphasize even the notion
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:48.340
of a God or a supreme being. Do you think this
00:37:48.340 --> 00:37:53.019
even accelerates the move away from God and from
00:37:53.019 --> 00:37:57.409
religion? I think there's a tension here. It's
00:37:57.409 --> 00:38:00.849
both and. It's both accelerating movement away
00:38:00.849 --> 00:38:03.829
from God in the sense that there is a way in
00:38:03.829 --> 00:38:06.010
which this technology is serving the purposes
00:38:06.010 --> 00:38:08.750
that one might think of as God. Relationships,
00:38:08.869 --> 00:38:11.389
development of human relationships, the kind
00:38:11.389 --> 00:38:14.530
of asking for advice, wisdom that could be punched
00:38:14.530 --> 00:38:18.889
into a chat bot and then develop into a relationship
00:38:18.889 --> 00:38:21.769
that you might normally have with another human
00:38:21.769 --> 00:38:25.119
being or religious leader or community. And so,
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:27.400
in some sense, the trust that people are putting
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:31.000
in AI to transform all aspects of society, it
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:34.139
is, as the Pope described in his recent encyclical,
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:37.920
the construction of a Tower of Babel, the trust
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:41.059
in a technology that reflects human hubris that
00:38:41.059 --> 00:38:43.480
not only disconnects us from God, but disconnects
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:48.500
us from each other. That's well said. Yeah, well,
00:38:48.860 --> 00:38:51.099
how do you… Yeah, tell me about how you feel
00:38:51.099 --> 00:38:54.559
about the Tower of Babel comparison there. Yeah,
00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:59.679
I think that has never left humankind, that desire
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:05.219
to excel, to rise up, to elevate themselves.
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:07.960
Of course, the first thing that comes to mind
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:10.079
is the World Economic Forum, because I mentioned
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:14.800
it earlier. They're pretty much dead now. It's
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:18.280
off. That thing's kind of unraveled, but in its
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:21.519
heyday, they were attracting some of the most
00:39:21.550 --> 00:39:24.389
Prolific thinkers and speakers on the planet
00:39:24.389 --> 00:39:26.789
and then they do these forums doesn't mean that
00:39:26.789 --> 00:39:30.469
they're right these know if I'm not No Noah Harari
00:39:30.469 --> 00:39:33.389
is a is not a good guy in my book I don't like
00:39:33.389 --> 00:39:36.489
same as a fear monger and agree and it gets you
00:39:36.489 --> 00:39:40.130
on the speaking circuit. Yeah So, that has never
00:39:40.130 --> 00:39:42.690
left humankind. We live in a fallen world. We
00:39:42.690 --> 00:39:44.869
will continue to be under the curse of the white
00:39:44.869 --> 00:39:47.670
witch, so to speak, if you're thinking of Aslan
00:39:47.670 --> 00:39:50.869
and, you know, C .S. Lewis, but we'll continue
00:39:50.869 --> 00:39:53.750
to live and dwell. We will never fully repair
00:39:53.750 --> 00:39:56.650
that here. You know, we're here to occupy until
00:39:56.650 --> 00:39:59.650
he returns or to be salt and light. But we only
00:39:59.650 --> 00:40:01.730
know that what salt does, it preserves whatever
00:40:01.730 --> 00:40:03.750
it touches, right? That's one of the greatest
00:40:03.750 --> 00:40:07.269
things. Long before refrigeration, salt was what
00:40:07.269 --> 00:40:11.269
saved lives and preserved food and whatnot. Well,
00:40:11.369 --> 00:40:15.130
same way we preserve society. We're the conscious
00:40:15.130 --> 00:40:18.349
of the state, so to speak, and all of that. So
00:40:18.349 --> 00:40:21.159
we're all part of that. But that doesn't mean
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:24.480
that it will not wax worse towards the end if
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:27.119
we are truly in the last of the last days and
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:29.840
Some of the people I really value and appreciate
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:33.159
are saying we're not just in the last days We're
00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:36.059
in the last of the last days because so much
00:40:36.059 --> 00:40:38.719
is happening right now the acceleration of learning
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:42.139
acceleration of Intelligence whether it's artificial
00:40:42.139 --> 00:40:44.659
or real all of these things are happening right
00:40:44.659 --> 00:40:48.949
in front of us. I mean even You buy a phone today,
00:40:49.170 --> 00:40:52.050
it's out of date tomorrow. Things are moving
00:40:52.050 --> 00:40:55.469
so fast. You get a hit song. Even in the church
00:40:55.469 --> 00:40:58.230
world, this bothers me. We sing a song and somebody
00:40:58.230 --> 00:41:04.110
goes, that was so last year. We sang hymns for
00:41:04.110 --> 00:41:06.469
hundreds of years. It didn't bat an eye, but
00:41:06.469 --> 00:41:09.869
all of a sudden, that song's old because it was
00:41:09.869 --> 00:41:15.110
from last year in 2025. It's just weird how we're
00:41:15.110 --> 00:41:18.260
being trained to expect bigger, better, more
00:41:18.260 --> 00:41:21.460
constantly because we're feeding our dopamine
00:41:21.460 --> 00:41:27.219
addictions. To me, it all feeds in together.
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:31.960
So this search and desire to rise up and to do
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:35.000
it without God, that's the whole point. Godless.
00:41:35.500 --> 00:41:37.860
That's the whole point of Marxism, socialism,
00:41:38.340 --> 00:41:42.360
communism. It's we can excel, we can rise up,
00:41:42.539 --> 00:41:45.960
and we don't need God. And listening to you talk,
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:49.880
that's very interesting because even Elon Musk,
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:54.559
he's probably the biggest progenitor of fear
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:57.340
about the future, which he categorizes, it's
00:41:57.340 --> 00:41:59.280
going to be great because you're not going to
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:02.659
need a job. We'll have money for everybody and
00:42:02.659 --> 00:42:04.599
however that's going to work and the robots will
00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:08.340
be running the world, which is really a type
00:42:08.340 --> 00:42:10.780
of socialism. I don't think he even sees it and
00:42:10.780 --> 00:42:13.079
he's not a socialist. He's anti -socialist, but
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:14.539
I don't think he sees it. It seems like there's
00:42:14.539 --> 00:42:18.179
only two ways that this artificial intelligence
00:42:18.179 --> 00:42:22.400
as a moniker can go is either it becomes a god
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:30.340
or what? It's the biggest moneymaker. None of
00:42:30.340 --> 00:42:33.059
these things are happening. I have nothing but
00:42:33.059 --> 00:42:36.940
friends who are struggling in organizations.
00:42:37.820 --> 00:42:42.559
because they're developers, sysadmins, and if
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:44.860
they're honest about things, they can't get a
00:42:44.860 --> 00:42:48.599
job. Like, well, you know, so you're doing the
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:51.099
interview, everything's great. And then, well,
00:42:51.099 --> 00:42:54.019
how do you feel about AI? Well, you know, I certainly
00:42:54.019 --> 00:42:57.280
am more efficient by using it, but it's not really,
00:42:57.579 --> 00:42:59.000
you know, you have to be careful, you got to
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:01.559
have the human in the mix. Thank you for your
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:03.710
time. you know, they want to hear someone say,
00:43:03.769 --> 00:43:06.489
oh yeah, you know, I'm a superhuman. I'm a hundred
00:43:06.489 --> 00:43:09.789
times the guy because I'm token maxing, you know,
00:43:09.889 --> 00:43:13.949
all these terms. And people who are in jobs every
00:43:13.949 --> 00:43:16.590
single day, an executive comes into their office
00:43:16.590 --> 00:43:18.530
and said, well, can't you just throw this in
00:43:18.530 --> 00:43:21.190
the AI and just get the answer? You know, here's
00:43:21.190 --> 00:43:23.469
this contract, you know, just let's just put
00:43:23.469 --> 00:43:25.250
this through AI and so we don't have to do all
00:43:25.250 --> 00:43:28.929
that work. And they're like, no, no, it's not.
00:43:29.260 --> 00:43:39.219
magic. It doesn't do that. This is the evil part.
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:41.679
The marketing that Silicon Valley companies have
00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:48.420
done for this category of product is just purely
00:43:48.420 --> 00:43:51.800
evil. They're either telling you that we're all
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:54.119
going to, you know, this, we can't release this
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:56.780
to the public because this could bring all the
00:43:56.780 --> 00:43:59.239
banks down and this would be the end of the world
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:01.679
and we can't, the government has to step in to
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:03.659
regulate it so we can always have a mode around
00:44:03.659 --> 00:44:07.679
us. You know, all of these things. And it is
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:10.599
insanity. It is absolute insanity for something
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:14.579
that really is quite a wonderful invention, large
00:44:14.579 --> 00:44:17.639
language models. It's a screwdriver. Yes, but
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:20.559
they're taking the hammer and saying, if you
00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:23.039
don't believe me, this hammer is going to crush
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:26.119
your skull. It's like, stop. You're right. The
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:29.500
fear mongering is out of control. It's interesting.
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:32.360
We call it artificial intelligence. The word
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:38.119
artificial means simulated. By definition. By
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:41.460
definition. It's simulated intelligence. Let's
00:44:41.460 --> 00:44:45.369
call it what it is. It's not real intelligence.
00:44:45.570 --> 00:44:47.989
It's an amalgam of everything people throw on
00:44:47.989 --> 00:44:51.309
the internet, and it just scrapes. Did you look
00:44:51.309 --> 00:44:55.590
up the definition of intelligence? Not yet. Even
00:44:55.590 --> 00:45:01.510
the word is just such a misnomer. It isn't intelligent,
00:45:01.889 --> 00:45:03.889
at least by what I think the definition is, but
00:45:03.889 --> 00:45:06.360
you have it there for me. It has several related
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:08.659
meanings, but general definitions, the ability
00:45:08.659 --> 00:45:12.320
to acquire and apply knowledge and skills, capacity
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:14.559
to learn, reason, understand, solve problems.
00:45:14.980 --> 00:45:17.559
Reason. Reason is where I draw the line. Reason
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:19.739
and solve problems because those go hand in hand
00:45:19.739 --> 00:45:23.539
to me or make sound judgments. Yeah, no. The
00:45:23.539 --> 00:45:26.579
nuances of the human condition, the nuances of
00:45:26.579 --> 00:45:30.300
life and physics themselves just tells you that
00:45:30.300 --> 00:45:34.239
a machine will not be able to handle that. It
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:38.219
is a great interface to other computing devices.
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:44.400
So to be able to say, hey, hail hit my Starlink
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:48.599
satellite receiver. What do I do? It can go out.
00:45:48.659 --> 00:45:51.840
It can find different results. It can score,
00:45:51.860 --> 00:45:54.079
because it's not reasoning. It's scoring based
00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:57.280
upon parameters. Comes back, tells you what to
00:45:57.280 --> 00:45:59.480
do. It usually would be pretty right, because
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:03.630
that knowledge is out there. talking to it. Actually,
00:46:03.849 --> 00:46:06.650
I could not help myself. I wanted to go back
00:46:06.650 --> 00:46:12.090
and check some of my own programming as a child
00:46:12.090 --> 00:46:17.989
growing up with robots. And what was your earliest
00:46:17.989 --> 00:46:21.380
remembrance of a robot? Well, I mean it was from
00:46:21.380 --> 00:46:41.300
Lost in Space. I won. I got it. That's so funny.
00:46:41.420 --> 00:46:44.559
That is my first understanding. But right away
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:47.039
you hear Will Robinson saying, you go on the
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:49.940
wrong way. And the robots go, roll with the punches.
00:46:50.820 --> 00:46:54.360
But this training is... I mean, I have a couple
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:56.179
more clips. They're all pretty short, but I just
00:46:56.179 --> 00:46:59.719
got a plan because this is our programming from
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:03.280
early, early on. But it sounds mysteriously and
00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:07.619
scarily like today. Why shouldn't I be in love?
00:47:07.900 --> 00:47:10.420
I am no different than anyone else. Do you think
00:47:10.420 --> 00:47:13.219
I am just an insensitive collection of computer
00:47:13.219 --> 00:47:15.860
-oriented nuts and bolts? I have a central turbo
00:47:15.860 --> 00:47:18.760
mechanism that feels just like any other robots.
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:22.719
You have your family. Everyone has someone. Except
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:25.750
me. I was all alone until I found her. I will
00:47:25.750 --> 00:47:28.769
never be lonely again. We can force you to operate.
00:47:29.070 --> 00:47:31.289
You cannot force me to do something I know is
00:47:31.289 --> 00:47:34.690
wrong. With alien life forms, ours is not to
00:47:34.690 --> 00:47:37.650
reason why. Ours is but to do or become permanently
00:47:37.650 --> 00:47:41.230
deactivated. You cannot force me to do something
00:47:41.230 --> 00:47:44.949
that is wrong. These are the guardrails. The
00:47:44.949 --> 00:47:48.760
guardrails that everybody's talking about. What
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:51.639
was that from? That's classic. It's all lost
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:54.519
in space. Oh, okay. It's wonderful. All of these
00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:56.460
are lost in space. Because now, of course, you
00:47:56.460 --> 00:47:58.219
kind of hear the guy talking through the tin
00:47:58.219 --> 00:48:01.699
can. Totally. It doesn't always sound like...
00:48:01.699 --> 00:48:04.519
Well, he was the... Robot B9 is what he was.
00:48:04.659 --> 00:48:07.739
Robot B9. Here's the next one. Oh, here we go.
00:48:07.820 --> 00:48:10.340
You dare to question my ability... That's the
00:48:10.340 --> 00:48:13.159
evil Dr. Smith. It was great. You dare to question
00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:16.679
my ability, you scurrilous scatterbrain? I refuse
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:18.599
to answer on the grounds that it might incriminate
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:21.280
me. You can lead a robot to water, but you cannot
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:26.679
make him compute. Easy! That's great. I love
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:30.219
that show. I grew up on that show. But now, listen
00:48:30.219 --> 00:48:33.280
to this, because this is so true even today.
00:48:33.420 --> 00:48:35.960
I am only the end result of those who programmed
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:38.420
me. Now that may be true, but there's something
00:48:38.420 --> 00:48:41.860
more too. Something that doesn't make sense.
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:46.800
You're more than a machine. You're our friend
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:51.400
my computers are deeply affected This is what's
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:56.260
happening today Wow, you know, I'm just Jared
00:48:56.260 --> 00:49:00.280
Lanier who is who I think he's the guy who coined
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:04.179
Basically virtual reality was his vision and
00:49:04.179 --> 00:49:05.980
he's done a lot. You might have seen he's got
00:49:05.980 --> 00:49:09.679
dreadlocks I'm a big guy always dressed in black
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:15.070
and you know kind of like wacky He says Anyone
00:49:15.070 --> 00:49:18.869
who's talking to a chat bot I'd like to open
00:49:18.869 --> 00:49:21.250
the box and show them what's inside and all you
00:49:21.250 --> 00:49:24.469
have to do is show them a picture of The engineers
00:49:24.469 --> 00:49:26.969
who put it together you probably will fall out
00:49:26.969 --> 00:49:29.909
of love very quickly You always have to think
00:49:29.909 --> 00:49:32.949
it that that lost in space clip is the one it's
00:49:32.949 --> 00:49:36.630
like I am only part of what put me in there and
00:49:36.630 --> 00:49:39.690
So that's knowledge literally scraped from the
00:49:39.690 --> 00:49:41.670
internet and there's good and dumb stuff on the
00:49:41.670 --> 00:49:47.760
internet and categorized and put into training
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:51.199
processes by the people who did that. It's nothing
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:54.900
more, nothing less. There is no human being in
00:49:54.900 --> 00:49:57.699
them. And this is, I don't know if we're ever
00:49:57.699 --> 00:49:59.599
going to get through to everybody because I just
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:05.159
see it. And the more I, and I'm so disappointed
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:11.760
by the, by believers in general in the church
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:15.059
sense of the word. Every conference you go to,
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:20.440
there's AI. There's a chatbot. And I have heard
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:26.619
faith leaders. I have heard big names in the
00:50:26.619 --> 00:50:29.320
radio and podcast world. I'm talking like huge
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:31.860
names that you would recognize saying, this is
00:50:31.860 --> 00:50:34.300
so great. We can't wait to add this to our website,
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:41.260
to our app, so people can explore God. You know,
00:50:41.579 --> 00:50:43.880
there's this line. And by the way, they'll say,
00:50:44.179 --> 00:50:47.480
it's spot on. Oh, it's spot on. Oh. Yeah, today,
00:50:48.420 --> 00:50:51.719
but what is exploring God if you just look for
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:54.000
some scripture? I've caught it in tons of contradictions.
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:58.699
And then when you call it out, it'll apologize
00:50:58.699 --> 00:51:02.559
to you like it's a person. Oh. Yes. I'm sorry.
00:51:03.139 --> 00:51:06.500
My bad. That's on me. Honest answer. It's like,
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:10.059
what? He's just trying to agree with you. But
00:51:10.059 --> 00:51:12.630
I've caught it. You know, I'm out. I'm a hearty,
00:51:13.050 --> 00:51:14.409
wind calls the heart. We're going through it
00:51:14.409 --> 00:51:16.289
for the second time right now. We're back to
00:51:16.289 --> 00:51:18.510
season 11 already. A lot of no agenda people
00:51:18.510 --> 00:51:22.050
watching this now. Tina and I got to give it
00:51:22.050 --> 00:51:23.329
another shot. They're my people. Got to give
00:51:23.329 --> 00:51:25.750
it another shot. But I do a lot of fact checking
00:51:25.750 --> 00:51:29.269
or I do a lot of what was going on in 1910. Did
00:51:29.269 --> 00:51:32.570
they have those kinds of cars? Did they have
00:51:32.570 --> 00:51:35.349
electricity in the Northern territories of Canada?
00:51:35.449 --> 00:51:38.789
I ask all kinds of questions and it contradicts
00:51:38.789 --> 00:51:42.269
itself constantly. And I just, Annette goes,
00:51:42.389 --> 00:51:44.789
so she'll be on perplexity, I'm on chat GPT,
00:51:45.030 --> 00:51:47.449
and we'll compare answers. They can be wildly
00:51:47.449 --> 00:51:50.550
different apart from one another. But they present
00:51:50.550 --> 00:51:54.889
them as, this is the facts. So I did something.
00:51:54.889 --> 00:51:57.670
Oh, you did a thing, Pastor Jimmy did a thing.
00:51:58.710 --> 00:52:02.769
So while we were talking earlier, I did this,
00:52:03.010 --> 00:52:07.389
Sid. Are there any Bible verses? that can be
00:52:07.389 --> 00:52:09.829
applied to the potential dangers of using AI
00:52:09.829 --> 00:52:13.909
for spiritual counsel. I love asking it questions
00:52:13.909 --> 00:52:16.969
about itself. Oh, yes, that is fun, isn't it?
00:52:16.989 --> 00:52:19.090
While the Bible obviously doesn't mention artificial
00:52:19.090 --> 00:52:21.929
intelligence, it says a great deal where we seek
00:52:21.929 --> 00:52:24.789
wisdom, whom we trust for spiritual guidance
00:52:24.789 --> 00:52:27.369
and the importance of godly counsel. These passages
00:52:27.369 --> 00:52:29.389
can be thoroughly applied to the use of AI in
00:52:29.389 --> 00:52:32.230
spiritual matters. James 1 .5, if any of you
00:52:32.230 --> 00:52:35.940
lacks wisdom, you should ask God. who gives generously
00:52:35.940 --> 00:52:39.340
to all without. It actually did a really good
00:52:39.340 --> 00:52:42.960
job on this, but it's telling on itself. That's
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:47.139
the funny thing. It can eat itself. You can prompt
00:52:47.139 --> 00:52:51.739
it to actually reveal its own flaws. It's interesting.
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:58.699
It's interesting. it's not God, and it's not
00:52:58.699 --> 00:53:01.940
reasoning, and it's not spiritual. If it's spiritual,
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:05.219
it's malevolently spiritual. It's nefariously
00:53:05.219 --> 00:53:09.340
spiritual because anything spiritual can be manipulated
00:53:09.340 --> 00:53:12.639
because it's so subjective in the way we perceive,
00:53:12.780 --> 00:53:15.800
receive, and understand things. I've been wrong
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:17.739
before. Man, I thought I heard a word from God.
00:53:17.860 --> 00:53:19.639
I acted on it. It's the dumbest thing I ever
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:22.039
did. I mean, because I didn't really hear God.
00:53:22.190 --> 00:53:24.949
Was stepping out in faith I was trying something
00:53:24.949 --> 00:53:27.710
and it was it was a lab class experiment gone
00:53:27.710 --> 00:53:33.849
bad and so we're all gonna have misses and And
00:53:33.849 --> 00:53:36.710
that's part of the human experience right, but
00:53:36.710 --> 00:53:39.449
we learn from those misses I don't know if this
00:53:39.449 --> 00:53:41.429
learns from anything other than just scraping
00:53:41.429 --> 00:53:47.550
more content from the internet more data It learns
00:53:47.550 --> 00:53:50.909
outcomes, you know, but it's it's really the
00:53:50.909 --> 00:53:54.940
the corpus of a of a large language model is
00:53:54.940 --> 00:53:57.519
irrelevant, outdated, subjective to where it
00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:01.619
came from. Using it as a tool to do a search,
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:04.340
to categorize a search, perfectly okay. Make
00:54:04.340 --> 00:54:07.139
sure it's actually searching. You have to say,
00:54:07.300 --> 00:54:10.360
don't get it from your own stuff. Search it online.
00:54:11.210 --> 00:54:14.730
which is probably why Gemini is reasonably good.
00:54:15.150 --> 00:54:17.829
I love making fun pictures with it, no doubt
00:54:17.829 --> 00:54:20.150
about it. Enjoy it while it lasts because this
00:54:20.150 --> 00:54:21.909
stuff costs way too much for these companies,
00:54:22.050 --> 00:54:24.329
they're gonna start charging you. It's great
00:54:24.329 --> 00:54:26.750
for that. Please do not talk to it like a friend.
00:54:27.610 --> 00:54:30.969
And improving workflows. It has improved my life
00:54:30.969 --> 00:54:34.849
dramatically with workflows. So I can say, put
00:54:34.849 --> 00:54:36.900
together all the stuff that I've... put into
00:54:36.900 --> 00:54:38.900
this document, make it into a nice list so I
00:54:38.900 --> 00:54:40.559
can sit down with Pastor Jimmy and do the show
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:44.019
in 15 minutes. Great workflow. It's just doing
00:54:44.019 --> 00:54:48.539
a job. And oh, by the way, it does it 10 times
00:54:48.539 --> 00:54:51.000
right. And then the 11th time, like, what happened?
00:54:51.219 --> 00:54:53.539
You've had to go back and check it every time.
00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:56.920
Oh, that's on me. My bad. I'll own this. You're
00:54:56.920 --> 00:55:00.119
right. OK, fine. Wow. And we will be thanking
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:02.119
some people who supported us. Beautiful. But
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:04.619
before we get to that, I have one big one because
00:55:04.619 --> 00:55:09.360
tomorrow, there's going to be, actually, I'm
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:13.980
sorry, today, Anthony Fauci, Dr. Fauci is going
00:55:13.980 --> 00:55:16.800
to be testifying, I think, before the Senate.
00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:21.739
And this is due to, well, obviously, there's
00:55:21.739 --> 00:55:24.940
a lot of, you know, there's a lot of issues around
00:55:24.940 --> 00:55:28.780
COVID, how it was handled. His personal notes
00:55:28.780 --> 00:55:32.000
have been released to the public by Rand Paul.
00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:38.699
I have two clips here that is just from, what
00:55:38.699 --> 00:55:42.539
is his name now? Because he was a big spokesperson
00:55:42.539 --> 00:55:48.460
during the pandemic, Scott Gottlieb. Now, Scott
00:55:48.460 --> 00:55:53.059
Gottlieb used to be the FDA commissioner. And
00:55:53.059 --> 00:55:55.960
he left the FDA, surprise, surprise to go be
00:55:55.960 --> 00:55:58.210
on the board of Pfizer. You know, this is the
00:55:58.210 --> 00:56:01.650
revolving door thing. So he's really a promoter
00:56:01.650 --> 00:56:05.650
of pharmaceutical products. And most people don't
00:56:05.650 --> 00:56:09.150
really like him for it. But I'm playing this
00:56:09.150 --> 00:56:11.409
not so much for the information, but more about
00:56:11.409 --> 00:56:14.590
when you hear, again, Joe Kernan from CNBC. I
00:56:14.590 --> 00:56:17.050
mean, the best stuff comes from there because
00:56:17.050 --> 00:56:19.690
they have to get some actual information and
00:56:19.690 --> 00:56:23.809
truth for financial investment. But you can hear
00:56:23.809 --> 00:56:27.670
Joe Kernan, sophisticated guy. on an NBC station,
00:56:27.849 --> 00:56:29.690
which would never have said any of these things
00:56:29.690 --> 00:56:34.030
before, questioning Anthony Fauci. And Gottlieb,
00:56:34.030 --> 00:56:36.769
of course, is going to kind of play interference
00:56:36.769 --> 00:56:39.050
and backpedal a bit. But then at least you'll
00:56:39.050 --> 00:56:41.130
get the overview of what's at play here. How
00:56:41.130 --> 00:56:45.010
about your buddy Fauci that I've asked you about
00:56:45.010 --> 00:56:47.289
in the past? You've defended him quite a bit.
00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:50.539
Look, I mean, I don't know what you're referring
00:56:50.539 --> 00:56:54.380
to in terms of... I've asked about whether he
00:56:54.380 --> 00:56:57.380
orchestrated a cover -up of the lab origin because
00:56:57.380 --> 00:57:03.699
of his involvement in making gain -of -function
00:57:03.699 --> 00:57:06.539
research possible again in China, which he did.
00:57:06.860 --> 00:57:09.760
He knew that would come back to haunt him, and
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:12.780
then basically told his colleagues... go with
00:57:12.780 --> 00:57:14.980
the natural origin. It was obvious three years
00:57:14.980 --> 00:57:17.900
ago, Scott, to me anyway, and everybody else
00:57:17.900 --> 00:57:19.960
that he orchestrated that. Yeah, look, we've
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:21.820
talked about this in a show. I think the evidence
00:57:21.820 --> 00:57:25.199
in terms of whether this was human or naturally
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:28.260
derived, I think the side of the ledger that
00:57:28.260 --> 00:57:29.840
speaks to this potentially coming out of the
00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:31.900
lab has grown over time. We haven't had any new
00:57:31.900 --> 00:57:33.920
evidence suggesting that this came out of the
00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:35.460
natural origin of spillover. The latest stuff
00:57:35.460 --> 00:57:39.250
that came out of him, didn't he know? that it
00:57:39.250 --> 00:57:42.909
was likely it was from the lab and go to great
00:57:42.909 --> 00:57:45.650
lengths to tell people to destroy emails? Well,
00:57:45.789 --> 00:57:47.789
look, and I've looked through the emails, some
00:57:47.789 --> 00:57:49.809
of them have been online. I think it's disappointing
00:57:49.809 --> 00:57:53.489
to see him trying to suppress alternative opinions,
00:57:53.530 --> 00:57:55.230
and that clearly was evidence from the emails.
00:57:55.849 --> 00:57:59.530
I thought it was disappointing. Part of it that
00:57:59.530 --> 00:58:02.309
also disappointed me was how much he enjoyed
00:58:02.309 --> 00:58:05.380
the media associated with... uh... you know the
00:58:05.380 --> 00:58:07.320
event in his own appearances i think a lot of
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:09.239
us went on immediately out of his sense of obligation
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:10.980
was a hard time for all of us and it was a hard
00:58:10.980 --> 00:58:13.760
time for you i think a lot of us felt uh... obligation
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:16.139
to inform the public and it wasn't particularly
00:58:16.139 --> 00:58:19.300
enjoyable i mean i got a lot of threats others
00:58:19.300 --> 00:58:22.400
did associate with that and so to see those emails
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:27.079
where he is evidencing some pleasure in the notoriety
00:58:27.079 --> 00:58:30.059
that's disappointing it's not just uh... it's
00:58:30.059 --> 00:58:34.699
just outrageous okay so There's going to be a
00:58:34.699 --> 00:58:39.159
lot said about this testimony today. Rampal totally
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:42.840
set him up with the diaries. I mean, he's literally
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:44.840
like, look how cool I am. People think I'm a
00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:47.159
saint with the candles and the rosary beads.
00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:52.460
So everyone has seen this. I'm so glad. Thank
00:58:52.460 --> 00:58:54.159
you, Jesus, for saving me. I'm a new believer.
00:58:54.260 --> 00:58:58.500
I'm a new man. I'm Adam 2 .0. So when this takes
00:58:58.500 --> 00:59:04.719
place, it's going to be natural human will and
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:11.260
desire to say, hang him, hang him up. What do
00:59:11.260 --> 00:59:14.139
we do? How should we, because this is gonna be
00:59:14.139 --> 00:59:16.139
a conversation, everyone's gonna be, yeah, that
00:59:16.139 --> 00:59:21.139
guy, you know, we're all so mad. And I believe
00:59:21.139 --> 00:59:23.480
him to be pretty guilty of a lot of these things.
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:28.480
How do we, what can we need? Help us pastor Jimmy.
00:59:28.780 --> 00:59:31.059
How should we? Well, first of all, this is where
00:59:31.059 --> 00:59:33.340
we trust the system and it's hard to do that
00:59:33.340 --> 00:59:35.679
because we've had a lot of reasons not to trust
00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:38.800
the justice system But the fact that someone
00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:41.800
like him is not a trial. This is just a testimony
00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:44.539
So right this could lead to this could crack
00:59:44.539 --> 00:59:47.059
open some things. Of course. He has a pardon
00:59:47.059 --> 00:59:50.840
every time I've seen a Senate Oh, nothing happens.
00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:53.719
It's outrage, outrage, outrage. You did this
00:59:53.719 --> 00:59:55.860
and then nothing. That's a good point though,
00:59:56.460 --> 00:59:59.420
because we're going to be outraged over the fact
00:59:59.420 --> 01:00:01.300
that there's nothing happening from the outrage.
01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:03.639
So how do we deal with this as believers? Rarely
01:00:03.639 --> 01:00:08.460
do we see these. So as a believer, I have to
01:00:08.460 --> 01:00:11.730
step back. I'm going to have my flare up. I'm
01:00:11.730 --> 01:00:14.309
going to read or see or whatever. I was at the
01:00:14.309 --> 01:00:16.929
gym and they were flashing pieces of his journal
01:00:16.929 --> 01:00:20.489
up there. I was trying not to watch. There's
01:00:20.489 --> 01:00:23.369
like 80 TVs at Planet Fitness in Bernie, Texas.
01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:27.400
You're surrounding you've got the view on one
01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:30.619
you got Fox right next to Wow I mean you fry
01:00:30.619 --> 01:00:33.860
your brain the whole spectrum Yeah, and they're
01:00:33.860 --> 01:00:36.699
all saying different things about the same things.
01:00:36.699 --> 01:00:39.139
It's hilarious It's so obvious when you put them
01:00:39.139 --> 01:00:42.900
all up to teach one each one up up to the other
01:00:42.900 --> 01:00:47.139
But I have to literally step back Amir Safardi
01:00:47.139 --> 01:00:52.510
who is an odd last name, but he is one of my
01:00:52.510 --> 01:00:55.190
favorite spokespersons coming out of the Jewish
01:00:55.190 --> 01:00:58.590
faith, Judaism, who's now Messianic. He's a Christian
01:00:58.590 --> 01:01:03.130
on fire for Jesus. And he literally says this,
01:01:03.150 --> 01:01:05.590
I just read this from him, and we support his
01:01:05.590 --> 01:01:07.309
ministry, by the way, it's called Behold Israel.
01:01:07.989 --> 01:01:12.489
He said that, I'm done with media. I've pushed
01:01:12.489 --> 01:01:16.650
back from all kinds of media. And he said, I've
01:01:16.650 --> 01:01:19.250
decided I'm going to get my news from the scripture.
01:01:20.250 --> 01:01:23.429
And he said it this way. He said, while the world
01:01:23.429 --> 01:01:26.670
wants to know and waits for what's about to happen,
01:01:27.210 --> 01:01:31.289
he said, I'm waiting for who is about to happen.
01:01:32.650 --> 01:01:35.849
And I love the way he put that because he's like,
01:01:36.289 --> 01:01:38.889
okay, enough's enough. Push back from the table
01:01:38.889 --> 01:01:44.250
and say, stop the madness. I've watched enough
01:01:44.250 --> 01:01:46.929
of these Senate hearings. Everybody has. It's
01:01:46.929 --> 01:01:49.150
outrage, outrage, outrage. Everybody yells. Everybody
01:01:49.150 --> 01:01:52.269
gets a chance to kind of vent, you know, but
01:01:52.269 --> 01:01:54.730
nothing really tends to come of them other than
01:01:54.730 --> 01:01:59.369
just press. It's theater. And as a Christian,
01:01:59.409 --> 01:02:03.389
I need to push back from that. And, you know,
01:02:03.489 --> 01:02:05.769
I look at whatever happens. You and I have talked
01:02:05.769 --> 01:02:08.789
about this before. Somebody posts something harsh
01:02:08.789 --> 01:02:11.070
against you or me, and it happens all the time.
01:02:11.090 --> 01:02:15.170
I've had more this week. And I just go, thank
01:02:15.170 --> 01:02:17.929
you for giving me your name. And now I have a
01:02:17.929 --> 01:02:22.030
target. I can now pray for you by name. But when
01:02:22.030 --> 01:02:26.670
this is the conversation at work, at the dinner
01:02:26.670 --> 01:02:33.610
table, I'm struggling with it as well. I'm angry
01:02:33.610 --> 01:02:38.610
about it. Do we have to forgive him? Yes. Oh,
01:02:38.610 --> 01:02:42.889
man. Ask how many times. Seven times seven times
01:02:42.889 --> 01:02:44.969
seventy -seven, seventy -seven. Infinite number.
01:02:45.170 --> 01:02:47.730
Infinite number. You know, if it was easy to
01:02:47.730 --> 01:02:51.000
be a true, authentic, God -fearing believer.
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:52.980
Everybody would be it. Everybody would do it.
01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:56.440
You know, I was thinking the other day, if people
01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:59.000
put, because this is how I came to God and to
01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:02.019
Jesus, is I looked at it as a conspiracy theory.
01:03:02.059 --> 01:03:05.159
I literally said that on Joe Rogan. I said, I've
01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:07.679
looked at all of them and I'd heard enough of
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:09.099
this one, like, all right, let me take a look
01:03:09.099 --> 01:03:11.920
at this. And it only took two weeks. If everybody
01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:15.559
in America, but in the world, spent as much time
01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:18.219
as they do going down rabbit holes, and looking
01:03:18.219 --> 01:03:21.019
at conspiracy theories, if they just looked at
01:03:21.019 --> 01:03:24.980
Jesus, we would have a whole nation of believers
01:03:24.980 --> 01:03:29.320
because it's the same amount of work. Do your
01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:32.539
own research, people. Seriously, it's amazing
01:03:32.539 --> 01:03:35.599
what you will find. Put down your screens. Pick
01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:38.420
up your Bibles. Amen, brother. Amen. Come on.
01:03:39.019 --> 01:03:42.820
So we're starting true value for value on we
01:03:42.820 --> 01:03:45.380
have to do this and we would love for you if
01:03:45.380 --> 01:03:48.280
you feel like you got any value because we want
01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:52.840
to expand this. It does take time. It's a direction
01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:54.920
that that I'm headed. So I'm hoping that people
01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:57.460
will bless us with the work that we do and we
01:03:57.460 --> 01:03:59.920
hope to continue building community everywhere
01:03:59.920 --> 01:04:03.920
we can. Value for value is what I've lived on
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:05.960
for the past 20 years. If you get any value from
01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:08.380
what we what we talked about what we've done.
01:04:09.699 --> 01:04:12.320
It can be things that we're not even thinking
01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:14.739
of that could give you value. Just consider sending
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it back. Time, talent, and treasure. You can
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write us a note. You can spread news about the
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show. Also, your treasure is important and necessary.
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And so we started our website, WGTDT .com, complete
01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:33.539
new experiment by pointing that right to our
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substack. And I love this. First of all, Pastor
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Jimmy's in there all the time, and he's seeing
01:04:40.170 --> 01:04:41.969
all the comments. I am. I'm reading the comments.
01:04:42.170 --> 01:04:44.530
I'm answering people. You're a substacker, man.
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I love it, man. I love that. The community is
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positive. Yes. But also, you subscribe to the...
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To the sub stack and that way you automatically
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get the get the emails. There's also really easy
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to become a paid subscriber I like super easy.
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You can say yes today and take it off tomorrow.
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Whatever you want We also have, you know PayPal
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you can send an open donation All of that is
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good. The most important part is that you send
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us a note with it Yeah, and that always takes
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a little time to get people used to it. So we
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have notes at wgtdt .com send us a note if you're
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going to support us. I just want to thank the
01:05:27.670 --> 01:05:31.829
people who right off the bat started supporting
01:05:31.829 --> 01:05:35.070
us and sending notes. Michael Anastasio, who
01:05:35.070 --> 01:05:40.230
is the OG Samoyed, came in twice with $100 and
01:05:40.230 --> 01:05:44.989
$50. Thank you so much, Michael. Matthew Williamson
01:05:44.989 --> 01:05:52.679
sent us $100, which is $149 .64 in Australia.
01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:55.880
It's dollar reduced down there. And he has a
01:05:55.880 --> 01:05:58.820
note and he says, good day, Adam and Pastor Jimmy.
01:05:58.860 --> 01:06:01.699
I should not try to the accent. My name is Matt.
01:06:01.820 --> 01:06:03.980
I'm an Australian army veteran who was medically
01:06:03.980 --> 01:06:06.860
discharged in 2021 with back and wrist injuries
01:06:06.860 --> 01:06:09.360
among others. This was a huge adjustment for
01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:12.059
me in some really tough times. I saw Adam and
01:06:12.059 --> 01:06:14.119
Joe Rogan at the start of COVID and started listening
01:06:14.119 --> 01:06:16.860
to No Agenda, Podcasting 2 .0, MoFax, Korean
01:06:16.860 --> 01:06:19.800
The Keeper, and now we get to do this. Adam,
01:06:19.820 --> 01:06:22.019
No Agenda saved me during my discharge from the
01:06:22.019 --> 01:06:23.840
army. This is kind of what you're talking about
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:26.940
when you're discharged and then now what? Reentry.
01:06:27.139 --> 01:06:30.260
You taught me the dangers of opioids and antidepressants,
01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:32.380
two things they love to throw at the veterans.
01:06:32.940 --> 01:06:34.719
Because of you and John, I'm no longer dependent
01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:36.760
on them from the bottom of my heart and my family's
01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:38.699
heart. Thank you. That's great. Just like No
01:06:38.699 --> 01:06:41.139
Agenda helped me with my medical discharge, we
01:06:41.139 --> 01:06:43.599
get to do this as helping me with the passing
01:06:43.599 --> 01:06:46.300
of John. Thanks for the work you both are doing.
01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:48.579
Can't wait for the episode to be three hours
01:06:48.579 --> 01:06:53.019
long. Whoa. I'm going to need a catheter. I can't
01:06:53.019 --> 01:06:56.260
sit here for three hours. Pastor Jimmy, thank
01:06:56.260 --> 01:06:58.420
you for being there for Adam during this time.
01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:01.159
It means a lot to No Agenda Nation. It's crazy
01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:03.579
how much John's passing has affected me. Randomly,
01:07:03.579 --> 01:07:05.500
I would just start crying. This never happened
01:07:05.500 --> 01:07:08.460
to me for everything. Touches me. I'm hearing
01:07:08.460 --> 01:07:10.500
that over and over. I apologize for the long
01:07:10.500 --> 01:07:12.920
note. Believe me. It's not long at all by any
01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:14.920
standard. But you never know who could help.
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:16.800
Thank you, Matt from North Queensland. Thank
01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:18.119
you very much. Thank you, Matt. We appreciate
01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:23.320
you. Kathy Rhodes came in with $88 .88 in honor
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of JCD's favorite numbers. There's the Pickle
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Princess, Jodie White, with $75. I love you guys.
01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:33.380
Keep up the good work. I think she's married
01:07:33.380 --> 01:07:36.639
to Bo. I'm not sure. I have somehow the feeling
01:07:36.639 --> 01:07:39.559
that they're together. Somehow in cahoots. I
01:07:39.559 --> 01:07:41.539
got a note from me, it's like I got up and Jody,
01:07:41.619 --> 01:07:43.860
I'm like, I don't know, maybe, I don't know,
01:07:43.980 --> 01:07:49.719
but I need to get some more. I ordered eight
01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:52.159
or ten of those a while back. Oh my goodness.
01:07:52.159 --> 01:07:54.360
And I am enjoying them. My goodness. And by the
01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:57.679
way, these people are basically producers of
01:07:57.679 --> 01:08:00.980
the show, so they get a credit on the episode.
01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:08.719
Paul Erskine, $50. Brian at Albright Networks,
01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:13.539
$50. It's really good if you send the notes so
01:08:13.539 --> 01:08:18.659
I can get your names right. John's Burt, I know
01:08:18.659 --> 01:08:23.199
him from other shows, John's BRT, $50, thank
01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:28.609
you. Debbie, I don't know Debbie. 4H4, I have
01:08:28.609 --> 01:08:31.289
no idea. Well, Debbie, thank you. $50. Steve
01:08:31.289 --> 01:08:33.569
Weiss. There's Steve Weiss. Oh, let's see. Great
01:08:33.569 --> 01:08:35.250
guy. His wife are amazing. Steve and Stephanie
01:08:35.250 --> 01:08:39.850
from Las Vegas. Yeah. Good Bleeds from Steve
01:08:39.850 --> 01:08:41.550
and Stephanie in Las Vegas. Is he always Good
01:08:41.550 --> 01:08:44.039
Bleeds? I wonder if you meant God bless that
01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:45.300
it came out well. I think he meant God bless.
01:08:45.659 --> 01:08:47.119
That could have been a typo. Kind of like the
01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:51.140
one you sent me today and I said, can you… I
01:08:51.140 --> 01:08:53.500
need the gift of tongues, interpretation of tongues
01:08:53.500 --> 01:08:57.460
for that one. I'm struggling over here. 3333,
01:08:57.659 --> 01:08:59.500
thank you very much, Steve. We appreciate you.
01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:04.199
And I think it's D Spellman, which may or may
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:07.779
not be Dwayne. He says V for V, R -I -P -J -C
01:09:07.779 --> 01:09:11.239
-D. And we thank you all so much for the value
01:09:11.239 --> 01:09:13.840
sent to the podcast. Really appreciate it. W
01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:17.829
-G -T -D -T dot com. All right, brother, let's
01:09:17.829 --> 01:09:19.130
land this plane. You got something for us? Can
01:09:19.130 --> 01:09:20.630
I land it in the scripture? Yeah, I love that.
01:09:20.949 --> 01:09:22.930
Please. You know, I'm circling all the way back
01:09:22.930 --> 01:09:24.829
to where we started and that was talking about
01:09:24.829 --> 01:09:27.569
the Noajinda Nation, which now, praise God, are
01:09:27.569 --> 01:09:32.069
becoming the WGTDT. Do we get to doers? I've
01:09:32.069 --> 01:09:37.050
got to practice that. Just go WGTDT. That's how
01:09:37.050 --> 01:09:40.369
it works. WGTDT. Now, as we're developing our
01:09:40.369 --> 01:09:43.189
own community, obviously, it's a one big family.
01:09:43.329 --> 01:09:45.930
We need jingles for our domain name. We do. We
01:09:45.930 --> 01:09:49.789
need a bell. Today, I would have been bopping
01:09:49.789 --> 01:09:53.810
several times. You know you don't have a podcast
01:09:53.810 --> 01:09:57.930
until you have a bell. I need a bell. Today,
01:09:58.149 --> 01:10:00.310
I'm like, oh, that was bell -worthy. Valid point.
01:10:00.470 --> 01:10:02.789
So here it is. First Thessalonians 4 .13 and
01:10:02.789 --> 01:10:06.399
14. Brothers. We do not want you to be ignorant
01:10:06.399 --> 01:10:08.699
about those who fall asleep," that means pass
01:10:08.699 --> 01:10:12.560
away, or to grieve like the rest of men who have
01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:16.140
no hope. We believe that Jesus died and rose
01:10:16.140 --> 01:10:19.140
again, and so we believe that God will bring
01:10:19.140 --> 01:10:22.600
with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.
01:10:23.319 --> 01:10:26.539
There's the key, in Him. Now, in the next verse,
01:10:26.579 --> 01:10:29.579
he says, therefore, encourage each other with
01:10:29.579 --> 01:10:32.920
these words. So we don't grieve like the world
01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:35.039
grieves. We still grieve. I mean, you know, it's
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:39.319
real. Jesus wept when Lazarus passed, even though
01:10:39.319 --> 01:10:41.079
not long afterwards. He knew that he could bring
01:10:41.079 --> 01:10:42.579
him and would bring him back. He knew what was
01:10:42.579 --> 01:10:45.840
going to happen. But yet the human side of Jesus,
01:10:46.039 --> 01:10:50.020
Son of Man, he wept. He wept over, but he also
01:10:50.020 --> 01:10:52.960
wept over the condition and what it impacted
01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:55.239
other people. And you've had that moment where
01:10:55.239 --> 01:10:57.439
you're reading these and just going, you know,
01:10:57.439 --> 01:11:00.670
it just gets to you. And that's beautiful. But
01:11:00.670 --> 01:11:03.970
I love what it says, we do not grieve like the
01:11:03.970 --> 01:11:07.050
rest of men who have no hope. That is what we
01:11:07.050 --> 01:11:11.569
have in Christ. You can take a lot of things
01:11:11.569 --> 01:11:15.390
away, but if you keep your hope, you can get
01:11:15.390 --> 01:11:18.390
through anything. And that hope is found only
01:11:18.390 --> 01:11:21.649
in Christ. That's right. Amen. Thank you, brother.
01:11:22.449 --> 01:11:26.479
Three pointer. Alright everybody, thank you for
01:11:26.479 --> 01:11:28.020
supporting us, thank you for listening. We'll
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be back next Wednesday. We get to do this!
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Abba Father, Lord Jesus, Holy Spirit, we are
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so thankful to be here today. It is such a privilege
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to break from the regular routine of the things
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we do, and we do a lot of things, we spend a
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lot of plates, but it is our privilege to get
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to do this. We get to do this. So Lord, we pray
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specifically for those that will... listen to
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this, whether they're doing it on purpose, or
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they find us somehow, or somebody sends it to
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them, that they will find themselves encouraged,
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inspired, and sometimes even challenged. And
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so, Lord, we give this to you. We fire the arrows.
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You pick the target. In Jesus' name. Amen. Amen.
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It's Wednesday, July 29th, 2026. We get to do
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this. This is episode number 43. Hello brother,
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how you doing? I'm doing great. I was just locking
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my car remotely so You know, have you actually
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done the remote start? Yes. I keep forgetting.
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I do too. I'm walking out of H -E -B. I'm like,
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oh man, oh, it's 98 degrees. It's always an H
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-E -B. And I didn't do it. When we go to the
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gym, I always remember because I'm hot. I'm feeling
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it. But I always forget at the grocery store.
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I get there, why am I paying for this? Well,
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it's a freebie right now. It is. I would do a
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freebie too. And then it's going to be, oh, and
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this costs you $5 a month. I don't think that's
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worth it. There's a lot of these little nuances
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that pop up. subscription life, right? I mean,
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you may or may not have a few subscriptions.
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I've actually been paring down. It's a job going
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back in because they don't make it easy for you
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to unsubscribe. You know, I was listening to
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the clips show of No Agenda with John C. Dvorak,
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who we'll talk about a little bit in a moment.
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And there was a really old clip. And I knew it
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was old because of the sound quality, you know,
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back in the Skype days and latency and lag and
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everything. EQ is real different on those old
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days. It was halfway across the world. I was
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in London at the time. And he was talking about,
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I forget the guy's name, a Silicon Valley guy.
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He said, that in the future, everything we think
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as things we buy and own will be licensed and
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will be on subscription. And in time, John was
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talking about books, music, and movies, because
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back in those days, you know, 15, 16 years ago,
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you downloaded songs, you owned them, you could
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put them on different devices, you had DVDs.
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And he was right. All of that has gone. And now
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it's moving to the automobile. The minute you
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open the door, you basically have signed a license.
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They, oh yeah, I agree to these terms. Not necessarily
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a good thing. Well, we've heard that wonderful
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quote from the World Economic Forum. Oh yeah,
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you will own nothing and you will be happy. Yeah.
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So not so much. Like, how many subscriptions
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do I have? Wait, where's that? Because the net's
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always going. What's this $6 .37 charge? Bro,
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Tina opened up one of the bank accounts, which
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literally just is there for PayPal stuff, because
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it goes from that bank account to PayPal. He's
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like, what is this Brmafidnava for $17? Because
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it's all abbreviated. Right. You have to look
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at the PayPal. He's like, what? What is all this?
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You give a lot of money to Google. I said, no,
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I do subscriptions through Google. That's why
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it shows up as Google. Is it just me or is the
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on -ramp so easy, but the off -ramp is a nightmare?
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I've actually found that if you do everything
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through Google Payments, the off ramp is pretty
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easy. You just say stop. I've been lazy. So I'm
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just like, yeah, what am I on right now? Okay.
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And then I have to run it all back down. Fortunately,
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I've got it down to where it's just a couple,
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just a very few things, but I'm trying to be
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cautious about that. So this is a moment for
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me to exhale. I've been working up, working up
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to this, just running, running, running, gunning,
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getting everything ready. You know, we have since
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the passing of my other podcast partner, John
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C. Dvorak, things are changing, things are morphing.
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I feel like I'm also trying to be there for another
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family, because we are family, be it intercontinental.
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We've never really talked about personal stuff
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per se. It's always been business, but always
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laughing and always joking. And so that's still
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laughter through the tears, you know, and whereas
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we're trying to figure stuff out. And John gave
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plenty of opportunities to laugh. And that's
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one of the, I think is one of his greatest contributions,
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even if he was being a curmudgeon. I was always
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disappointed if I listened to the show and he
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wasn't a curmudgeon. I'm like, hey, he's in a
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good mood. I think you and 98 % of the people.
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I love the chemistry that you guys had. Something
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has happened to me, which is kind of odd for
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me, but it's beautiful. Brutal, maybe is a better
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word. Because I'm such good friends with you
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and Tina, Annette and I, And because we've walked
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together now for three years, pretty much nonstop.
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I mean, we've traveled together, we've done a
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lot of things, and now we're doing this. But
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I have, I feel like I've either been adopted
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into the No Agenda Nation, Gitmo Nation, or I've
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just adopted mine. I just barged in and crashed
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the party because I've been blessed to go to
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some of the meetups, a couple of local here.
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out at Jenny's place and then out over in Austin,
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a couple of those. And so that's about four that
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I've been to. And every time I've gone, I came
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away lifted, inspired. I love meeting, you know
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me, man, I couldn't walk down the hall here without
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having a conversation. We always start the podcast
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late. Oh, we saw five people we knew at HEB yesterday.
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What could have taken five minutes was an hour.
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I'm just here for dental floss, people. Let me
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go. I'm here for a gallon of milk. Well, you
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are a part of Knowage and the Nation. I feel
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like I am. And an important part because the
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more I listen to what people have to say and
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thousands of emails, I'm trying to get through
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all of them, the donation notes which you got
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over the past two episodes, I noticed that Yes,
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people came for the media deconstruction, for
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the clips, et cetera, but it was the chemistry
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between us that made it work, which is always
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the case with a podcast. It doesn't matter what
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you're talking about. People want to listen in
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on the conversation, and they like the dynamic,
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and that's a big part of it. So you were as much
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an extension into the show as... As my daughter
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as my wife as you know all these different people
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who are around me, but also This is the big thing
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that I noticed when all of these notes came in
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65 % at least were godly spiritual believers
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not you know, there were some faith thoughts
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and prayers. Oh, yeah You know, there's there's
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a lot of that and well wishes and I'm not discounting
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that all good, but a lot of godly people and
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I I hope that my openness about my faith helps,
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and we've had some actual feedback that people
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said, oh, because you did that, now I feel like
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I can be more open about it. And you've seen
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it, the meetups, people come up to you and it's
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not just, hey, you're a friend of mine. It's
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like, pastor, I got some questions. Yeah, it's
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been beautiful. Because people are always asking
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questions. People are writing me too, which is
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really nice. I've enjoyed it. I answered one
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even just this morning. And I love that. I love
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that interaction. you know, we may not always
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be able to be in each other's face, but we are
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in each other's space, so to speak, so in our
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orbits. And so I love it. What it is for me,
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it's a pastor's heart, it's a shepherd's heart.
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So the shepherd wants to protect the flock and
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the sheep. And it's like the Lord's extended
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my flock, or at least my heart for the flock,
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so to speak, where I'm just so, I'm feeling some
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of the grief and weight that that the family
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is because it's tragic anytime somebody passes
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and all that's hard anyway. We grieve and we
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should grieve well and grieve fully. I remember
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my mother passed, I was young, she passed at
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45 so I was in like a sophomore in college. And
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when she passed, I went to, I didn't feel a lot
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of grief instantly. I'm a delayed griever. So
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I got there and I was thinking about this in
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terms of even listening to you on the show, have
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some moments where there was a break in your
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voice, you know? Absolutely. But I know why.
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It's the same reason I do. I don't often grieve
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for myself personally. I will later when everybody's
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okay. But in the moment, I'll grieve for those
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that I see hurting, that I see broken. I think
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you felt that same weight as you were manning
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the microphone. Completely. Because you were
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smack dab in the middle of it. You're in the
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other part of that equation and that chemistry.
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But what I heard in your voice, especially when
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you read that opener on the Sunday, that was
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a shepherd's heart. It wasn't just a friend or
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a business partner. It was actually a shepherd's
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heart, a pastoral heart that's driven by Christ
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in His kingdom and His kingdom alive in you.
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You were feeling those things. You were empathizing.
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And I'm feeling the same thing for... So I've
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written several daily grinds specific... Yeah,
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for No Agenda Nation. To No Jits, and oh, I'm
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posting it everywhere else. But really, this
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is for that group that's hurting, that group
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that's confused or just struggling right now.
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Normal grief. It is normal. It doesn't feel normal
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when you're in it. Mm -hmm. Yeah, but it but
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it won't last forever. Yes. It's but you got
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to go through it. You can't go around it It's
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funny that I only broke up a couple times during
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the show and the the hardest one was being Mmm,
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was it Thursday or whatever? There was a donation
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note from a ham radio operator And when a ham
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radio operator passes away, he becomes an SK,
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a silent key, from the old Morse code key. Oh,
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you're right. I tear up again. I don't know why
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this gets me. Brother, feel it. Let it go. So
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you go on the air, and you call out his call
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sign, and then you wait. And so he had recorded
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this here. And he calls that again, third time.
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He says, OK. Nothing heard, silent key. That's
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very much like the police officers, what they
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do, the firefighters. They have a ceremonial
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radio moment for the whole, everybody listening.
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That's what it was. It's honor is what it is.
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It hit me so hard because we were... hack hams.
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We just became hams for the lark of it and just
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to tell people you should become a ham radio
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operator just in case the world crumbles. You
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need a way to communicate. We would always be
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able to do the show on ham radio. All those dystopian
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movies have one ham radio operator who's broadcasting
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across the desolate landscape. It was always
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us. He was always a little wacko in the movies
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though. He's a little weird. Again, always us,
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same guy. I'd been feeling a pull towards doing
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things for the kingdom for a long time. Look
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at why we're doing this podcast. That wasn't
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by accident. I'd been feeling this pull for a
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long time and with John's really sudden passing,
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immediately I started to feel things, and not
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just what I feel or what I'm hearing in prayer,
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but also the scripture. I think I might have
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mentioned this to you, but it's like God pre
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-wrote everything and put it in exactly on the
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27th of July, 2026, so I would read that. But
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it was everywhere. It was about transition. with
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death. I just wrote down a couple of scriptures
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that popped up, Joshua 1, 2 and 5, Moses, my
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servant is dead, now therefore arise, go over
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as Jordan, thou and all... I got the King James,
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and all his people unto the land which I do give
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to them. As I was with Moses, I will be with
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thee, I will not fail thee nor forsake thee.
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Joshua 1 .9, have I not commanded thee, be strong
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and be of good courage, be not afraid, neither
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be dismayed, for the Lord the God is with thee
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wherever you go. I got, when the road ahead is
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unclear, Psalm 37 .23. Of course, that's the
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steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord and
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he delights in the details of his life. But also
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in Proverbs 3, trust in the Lord with all your
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heart and lean not into your own understanding
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and always acknowledge Him and He will direct
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your paths. So, I mean, and it just went on and
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on, Jimmy, just it did not stop. And then, of
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course, the new thing, how struck by, wait a
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minute, where was I? I think I had it here. What
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is the passing of the mantle? Is that from Elijah?
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I had it here somewhere. Elijah tears his clothes
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and picks up the mantle. Elijah tears his clothes
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and picks up the mantle and goes back to work
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the same day. So all these things, and for me
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it means a handoff, a transition, new things,
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literally new things were popping up. I got a
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I think it was a devotional from Krish Dhanam.
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Yeah, yeah, I got that same devotional. It was
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good. Yeah, he had 1 Corinthians 10, 13, no temptation
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has overtaken you that is not common to man.
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God is faithful. He will not let you be tempted
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beyond your ability, but with temptation He will
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also provide the way of escape and you may be
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able to endure it. And he has a, you know, so
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he has a whole devotional and a call to action.
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Trust the hands beside you, rest in the hold
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above you, guard the heart within you, walk boldly
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toward the hope ahead of you." And it was this,
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like constant, constant, constant. Now, maybe
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it's because you get a 10 -speed bike, you see
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10 -speed bikes everywhere, but I don't think
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it was that. I think it was something else going
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on. That's a Holy Spirit -inspired filter. It's
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a new filter, a new grid. Yes. And so as I'm
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feeling all of this and I'm thinking, well, first
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of all, we're taking two weeks off from No Agenda,
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but I was already very clear like there's going
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to be change and that change is going to be me
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in particular because I have other things to
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do. And I can't just, you know, it's not like
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your wife passes away and here's my new wife
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and it's going to be the same. We were each other's
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work wise for lack of a better analogy. And that's
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just not how it works. And you can't just like
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start a new Chemistry with somebody whereas I've
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literally started we've been talking about doing
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the show for three years before we even started
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it So I could hit record three years ago, right?
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So, you know then there but then there's also
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there's another family that depends on yeah the
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finances of it and wars and us too and this is
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you know, this is the thing where this past week
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has been Of course also had got a granddaughter.
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So it's been incredibly joyous incredibly sad
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And then fear sets in, like, oh, what now? So
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now what? I mean, for more than 15 years of my
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work life, I've had one job, really. And I've
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done lots of other things, but I've had one job.
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And this job has sustained our lifestyle. We're
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not super wealthy. We are more than comfortable.
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And I'm super happy with that because I don't
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need anymore. It's fine. But then you start thinking,
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well, what if, you know, so this will go down,
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will it go up? Do I struggle with somebody else?
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And you know when you start down that, the enemy
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just jumps in right away. He's an opportunist
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and he takes, he leverages things against us.
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So when we have that one, that thought creeps
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in, we give it a little power, we entertain it
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for a moment. And it's like tipping the first
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domino and they just start to go. And I'm so
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grateful. to Jesus that I was saved because this
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is exactly the season where I need my faith to
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be able to at night just crawl up next to Tina
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and say, Lord Jesus, Father Abba, just hold us.
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Hold us, make us feel secure. People don't realize,
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you know, I don't know what, people don't know
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me really. They know me, but they don't. I mean,
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without no agenda, you know, I have no income.
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There's an identity piece that happens. So I
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pastored a church in Abilene, we were 60 % military.
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So we would see these guys and we'd go to their
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ceremonies, their 20 year when they exit and
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retire. And it was so, the ceremony is always
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amazing. And man, it's a big party, there's food
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and friends and family come from all over. It's
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a big hurrah. And then when the lights go down
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and all the party stuff's gone away, Those guys
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go home and go, what do I do now? Their entire
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identity for 20 years, I thought about you, was
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wrapped up in one thing. And so that's another
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thing you have to grieve. You have to. You have
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to grieve, okay, this is a part of who I am.
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It will always be a part of who I am, but it
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is not my primary purpose now. My mission has
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changed. My directive has changed. working for
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the kingdom with Godcaster and we've been doing
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this show. And you know me that I've never really
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worried about money because it was always there
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and something always happened. That's since 1990.
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So I'm not, you know, panic stricken by that.
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But also I'm like, okay. What am I going to do?
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How do we move forward? We have savings, you
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know, how long, you know, it's all these things.
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And you're not worried about yourself, but you
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have a wife. A wife, and that's another person
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in the equation. Another family. Right. And so
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it felt very much like everyone's looking at
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me, not just the families, but an entire audience
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of producers are looking at me. What are you
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going to do? And so my, I mean, I think I told
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you, I heard this so clear. Darren and Larry,
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you guys, I'm gonna, my machine will, my process
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will deliver the clips. You guys have a great
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chemistry. steer the ship for a bit. I'll pop
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in on Thursday. We'll see how it feels. There
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has to be a transition. And this, one of my devotionals,
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of course, I forgot to bring the book with me
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this morning. It was all about transition. Is
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it the one your daughter gave you? Yes, it is.
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That guy is good, by the way. I've been looking
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at some of his stuff. He's amazing. I like it.
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And the fact that my daughter gave it to me just
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blows me away. So, but I, everywhere, trust in
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the Lord. I know he has a plan. I know it's a
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plan for good and no matter what it is. And God
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bless Tina because she's like, I'm with you.
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Whatever it is, whatever God has in store for
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us, let's just listen, listen, listen, try to
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be obedient and follow and stay the course. And
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so everything for me points towards we get to
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do this. but that doesn't mean I'm just dropping
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no agenda. I'm an active producer and I will
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be a voice on it. It'll be cool. I love the fact
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that you're gonna be popping in. It's almost
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better unannounced like, oh, by the way, we got
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Adam on the line. I think that's so comforting
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for people. Yeah, but also just looking at the
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mix of audience, I think that the... identity
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that I had for 16 years and now I have a new
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identity which has been that way for the past
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three, it's a different identity and it requires
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a different output. So Sunday Tina and I come
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to the early service as usual. I'm laughing at
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you, I love you so much because you know what's
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coming and you're pretending like you don't know
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because Tina told the net. So I know you already
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know. No, actually, I'm a little blind. Oh, really?
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Okay, we have three teenagers in our house right
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now. I'm a little bit fuzzy because we're talking
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about what to put in the news. We're doing a
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newsletter now wgtdt .com. Make sure you sign
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up for the newsletter, become a subscriber there.
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And so we're going through because this is a
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big part the success of any value for value podcast.
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You got to have a newsletter. You have to continue.
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You know, people have busy lives. You got to
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remind them what's coming. And I say, okay, I'm
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going to talk about this. And she says, did you
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talk with Jimmy about this? I said, no. In fact,
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I told him, I'll tell you what it is on the show.
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Oh, oh, I told Annette. I'm like, oh, oh, anyway,
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it doesn't matter because the story is still
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the same. So great service. You were on fire.
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As usual, the worship team was amazing. And then
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as you're landing, first of all, I have to say
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one of our people, I forget her name. She came
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up to me during the Say Hi to Your Neighbor,
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the little mini meetup segment. And she says,
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I just want to say, I love listening to you and
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John. And I only came in when he had his bypass,
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and then it started to come. She was talking
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about her son had a bypass, and her parents had
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it. And she just broke down, like, come on. You
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were already moving into the mess. Cracked up.
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I saw y 'all talking. Yeah, because she was just.
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But I saw it looks as serious, so I just kept
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going. But I knew y 'all were staying there for
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a bit. Yeah, and I sat her down. It was comforting
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for me, and I hope for her. Anyway. Oh, it was.
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So you have a great message. And near the end,
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I'm thinking, oh, man, because the prayer team
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comes up. And I'm thinking to myself, we should
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probably just have someone pray over us. Maybe
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it should be Garrett. And I didn't say anything.
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And then I said, Tina, would you like someone
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to pray over us? She says, yeah, I think it has
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to be Garrett. OK. So all right. I said, well,
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wow. OK. So we go over to Garrett. And I don't
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know much about Garrett other than he runs the
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men's minute. He has a, like a men's thing on
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- He's a group leader. Yeah, on Thursdays, I
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believe. Nice guy. Great guy. Tina sees him in
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the gym all the time. And he says, oh, I was
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hoping you would come over because I have something
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for you. And I'm like, okay, well, that's interesting.
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And he says - I wish I could have recorded it
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because I can never get the words exactly right.
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And would you say Garrett has some prophetic
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nature to himself? Oh, absolutely. He does. Yeah,
00:24:03.769 --> 00:24:05.589
I've noticed that about him. It's a gift, yes.
00:24:05.809 --> 00:24:08.210
A spiritual gift. Yeah, he definitely has a spiritual
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gift. And he says, you know, something is changing,
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something big is happening. You need to transition.
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There's that word again. And however, I see that
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there's something very important you got to be
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doing. You need to be you need to be spreading,
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I think I've said the voice of God, but you need
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to be spreading God through your voice. And he
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just kept on going. He said, do you know about
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my podcast partner? He said, no, I know you do
00:24:37.349 --> 00:24:38.990
a podcast. I'm not quite sure. I said, well,
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he just passed away. And he says, there it is.
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There it is. And I mean, I am giving you the
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abbreviated version. I wish you could have heard
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it. But we both looked at each other like, Okay,
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there's more confirmation. So from now on when
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someone says they have a word for you, pull out
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your phone and hit record. I've learned that
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the hard way because I can remember everything.
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That is a good idea. It has been so helpful and
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saved my bacon a few times where I thought, I
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know they said something like that. Wow. Yeah.
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So anyway, next time. So I'm going to do that.
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Beautiful. And there is a transition and I can't...
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Nor do I want to drop knowledge in the nation,
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but I have to put my focus elsewhere because
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that is what I'm being told to do. It's a new
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chapter, a new season. Yes. But here's the deal.
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When you read a book, you don't turn into a new
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chapter and then rip the old chapter out of the
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book and throw it in the trash. It stays in the
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book and it becomes a complete story. So this
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is another part of the narrative, a story arc
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of your life. But it doesn't go away. No, no,
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no, no, no, it's it. This is the hardest part
00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:55.940
is How do I you know still keep? Still I still
00:25:55.940 --> 00:25:58.900
want to be a part of what that was this is that
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this is really the hardest part I get it in fact
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Garrett said there's something you idolize you
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have to give up and it's probably that It's probably
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the old identity But there's a sense of if it
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wasn't just me The choice would be so much easier
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got it and so I'm Looking for encouragement to
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make this move A lot of people won't understand
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it, but I hope a lot of people will that's that's
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it But again, so there has to be a transition
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until I feel that that ship is sailing and and
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I'll still be involved in production in right
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because I'm good at it and and it and it's It's
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something that I enjoy doing and I almost first
00:26:44.950 --> 00:26:47.390
nature to you. Yes, and I do it I do it for this
00:26:47.390 --> 00:26:50.710
show I do it for myself. So but I feel it has
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to be And I continuously hear someone else can
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be successful doing this I hear that a lot like
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hey, maybe someone else needs to come in here.
00:27:00.670 --> 00:27:03.109
It's not all like downhill It's like no this
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could actually be fantastic. That's you know,
00:27:05.950 --> 00:27:08.569
that's that's that's what I'm feeling So you
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you've moved into a new? new season of your life.
00:27:11.299 --> 00:27:13.799
You leveled up last year, so you're in year two
00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:17.059
of level six, right? Yeah. Yeah. So there you
00:27:17.059 --> 00:27:20.299
are, you're what, 61, correct? Yep. Okay. So
00:27:20.299 --> 00:27:22.819
there's something that happens even in the developmental
00:27:22.819 --> 00:27:26.740
psychology of every man, where you move from
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that place of, you're claiming your mountain,
00:27:29.619 --> 00:27:31.519
you're building your mountain, you're building
00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:35.059
your empire, all that. Something shifts dramatically
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around 58, 65, just depends on the individual.
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Where you shift from it's all about me to where
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now it's all about the next gen Yeah, it's called
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legacy thinking you move into legacy mentality
00:27:49.380 --> 00:27:52.420
and I think you're really there With no agenda
00:27:52.420 --> 00:27:54.359
and that's that's what you're feeling. Yeah,
00:27:54.500 --> 00:27:57.599
you're like, I know I need to still be a voice
00:27:57.599 --> 00:27:59.799
I mean, I'm kind of daddy. I mean, you know,
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:03.099
yeah not just pod father You're you're what you're
00:28:03.099 --> 00:28:06.119
one of two founders. Yeah, so you'll always have
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:09.259
that'll always be a part of you But yet you still
00:28:09.259 --> 00:28:11.700
need to you get to move forward, but now you
00:28:11.700 --> 00:28:14.900
get to help these guys Yeah, begin to build theirs
00:28:14.900 --> 00:28:17.960
and that's exciting. So you're gonna get to mentor
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:21.579
coach. Yeah Disciple if you will. Yeah, these
00:28:21.579 --> 00:28:25.240
guys into their their season and I have had a
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:27.900
real I've gotten a real kick out of setting them
00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:31.180
up for Thursday show and you know getting them
00:28:31.180 --> 00:28:33.319
all you love doing the jingles and the sound
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:35.480
effects and the whole and it's actually like
00:28:35.549 --> 00:28:37.890
I'm building interfaces for them, like, oh, this
00:28:37.890 --> 00:28:39.690
is going to be so cool, be so easy for them.
00:28:39.710 --> 00:28:43.910
If only I had this 10 years ago. So yeah, thank
00:28:43.910 --> 00:28:47.769
you. That's a good way of looking at it. Yes.
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So, man, I look forward to doing more of this
00:28:53.710 --> 00:28:56.349
too. Like maybe not just once a week, but maybe
00:28:56.349 --> 00:28:59.269
more than once. Because I think people need it.
00:28:59.690 --> 00:29:02.109
And now I'm going to make the smoothest of all
00:29:02.109 --> 00:29:07.059
transitions into into a couple of clips. It's
00:29:07.059 --> 00:29:08.859
like a record going errr. I don't know how to
00:29:08.859 --> 00:29:11.059
get out of it. Slam on the brakes. Speaking of
00:29:11.059 --> 00:29:15.000
AI. Right turn. Do you know who Reverend Walter
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.460
Kim is? I don't. It's not ringing a bell. He
00:29:18.460 --> 00:29:23.660
is supposedly, he speaks for all, for the religious
00:29:23.660 --> 00:29:27.319
community. Oh. Well, it's always good to know
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:29.279
I have a spokesperson that I didn't know about.
00:29:29.380 --> 00:29:31.700
He is president of the National Association of
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Evangelicals. I did not elect him. I'm just saying.
00:29:35.019 --> 00:29:37.460
He's there. Disclaimer. But this is always what's
00:29:37.460 --> 00:29:39.680
interesting. And I figured that. I've never heard
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:43.019
of this guy. No. But it's good that there's someone
00:29:43.019 --> 00:29:46.180
out there talking about faith and artificial
00:29:46.180 --> 00:29:49.259
intelligence. But this was such an interesting
00:29:49.259 --> 00:29:53.460
conversation because it took place on CNBC, the
00:29:53.460 --> 00:29:57.240
financial channel. Which I know why they brought
00:29:57.240 --> 00:29:59.519
them in because, you know, everything's in flux
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:03.579
now. Are the Chinese going to win the AI race,
00:30:03.740 --> 00:30:06.339
which by itself is just, I mean, we never heard
00:30:06.339 --> 00:30:09.720
that China is going to win the Microsoft Office
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:11.619
race. They're going to have a better spreadsheet
00:30:11.619 --> 00:30:14.240
before us. You know, you never heard that. So
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:16.720
they're positioning this as like some moonshot.
00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:18.740
Right. Like the moon landing. Who's going to
00:30:18.740 --> 00:30:20.779
land first? And by the way, let's just be honest.
00:30:21.220 --> 00:30:23.319
So we went to the moon. Let's just presume we
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:26.200
went to the moon. Okay, I'm skeptical about the
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:28.460
We might have actually flown around at this time.
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:32.500
We went to the moon What what did we get out
00:30:32.500 --> 00:30:35.220
of it? I mean space travel satellites. Yeah,
00:30:35.339 --> 00:30:37.859
I'm there we went to the moon. It's a really
00:30:37.859 --> 00:30:42.700
bad video What was it what was the what was the
00:30:42.700 --> 00:30:45.880
the benefit to science that we went there or
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:50.519
to our lives in directly? Psychological. Well,
00:30:50.539 --> 00:30:53.859
there you go. We won. We win. Well, exactly.
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:57.339
So now we're in this place with technology where,
00:30:57.579 --> 00:31:00.579
well, we may not win. Meanwhile, nobody's making
00:31:00.579 --> 00:31:04.339
any money. I love Lindsey Graham, rest in peace.
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:09.000
Bernie Sanders, who's like, we need to have 50
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:12.720
% of all of these AI models should be part of
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.960
the American public should get that money. I'm
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:18.430
like, Bernie. they are burning hundreds of billions
00:31:18.430 --> 00:31:21.529
of dollars. We don't want to be responsible for
00:31:21.529 --> 00:31:26.329
that. Well, you know my opinion about AI and
00:31:26.329 --> 00:31:28.029
where it's at and what it can and what it can't
00:31:28.029 --> 00:31:30.609
do. But when I listen to the good Reverend Kim,
00:31:31.890 --> 00:31:34.190
there's some reasons for concern and I just wanted
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to play a couple clips so we can talk about it
00:31:36.089 --> 00:31:41.430
because we both use Robots, artificial intelligence
00:31:41.430 --> 00:31:44.210
is just a joke. It's a tool. It's a hammer. Because
00:31:44.210 --> 00:31:49.309
we know what the output we need is. It's not
00:31:49.309 --> 00:31:52.250
like we're exploring and we say, okay, give me
00:31:52.250 --> 00:31:54.369
the reason for the fall of the Roman Empire.
00:31:54.849 --> 00:31:58.029
You know, every robot chatbot will give you an
00:31:58.029 --> 00:32:00.809
answer and it will be as correct as any other
00:32:00.809 --> 00:32:03.069
answer because there's not one reason why the
00:32:03.069 --> 00:32:05.390
Roman Empire fell. And that'll just be up to
00:32:05.390 --> 00:32:08.430
the training that I got. But some things that
00:32:08.430 --> 00:32:10.849
it can do in cross -referencing and researching
00:32:10.849 --> 00:32:13.910
where you know the outcome you want, I know the
00:32:13.910 --> 00:32:17.690
outcome I need, I can quality control that process
00:32:17.690 --> 00:32:19.930
until the thing does it and then it is literally
00:32:19.930 --> 00:32:23.509
a robot. It's doing what I need it to do to give
00:32:23.509 --> 00:32:25.710
me the result that I already know is the correct
00:32:25.710 --> 00:32:28.509
result for me. So it's a robot with a small r.
00:32:29.369 --> 00:32:32.049
Thank you. Robot with a small r. There you go.
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That's it. That's a t -shirt. That's a title.
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Here's the intro to the Reverend Kim. Religious
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leaders are increasingly speaking out in warning
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:43.859
against the dangers of artificial intelligence
00:32:43.859 --> 00:32:45.940
in a recent op -ed in the Wall Street Journal.
00:32:46.619 --> 00:32:49.779
Revered Walters, Kim argues that the speed of
00:32:49.779 --> 00:32:52.660
AI developments coming before guardrails can
00:32:52.660 --> 00:32:56.099
be put in place, writing, this technology permeating
00:32:56.099 --> 00:32:58.480
our lives in ways beyond our awareness, the risks
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:01.670
of AI superintelligence run from economic upheaval
00:33:01.670 --> 00:33:03.849
to the concentration of power in the hands of
00:33:03.849 --> 00:33:07.069
whatever cooperation or government wins the AI
00:33:07.069 --> 00:33:09.130
technology race. Joining us right now is the
00:33:09.130 --> 00:33:11.410
president of the National Association of Evangelicals,
00:33:11.490 --> 00:33:16.349
Reverend Walter Kim. Reverend, help us understand
00:33:16.349 --> 00:33:18.589
where you think all this goes and what you think
00:33:18.589 --> 00:33:22.390
the sort of moral implications are. Yeah, thanks
00:33:22.390 --> 00:33:25.269
for having me on. You know, let me begin by saying
00:33:25.269 --> 00:33:28.750
there is tremendous potential in AI that's already
00:33:28.750 --> 00:33:31.470
being realized in virtually every sector of society,
00:33:31.529 --> 00:33:33.750
whether it's the optimization of medical care
00:33:33.750 --> 00:33:36.690
and its delivery, the diagnoses that are being
00:33:36.690 --> 00:33:40.710
improved, much less the actual treatments, education,
00:33:41.829 --> 00:33:44.569
and the optimization of workflows. I mean, on
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and on and on. There are positive benefits, but
00:33:46.890 --> 00:33:50.059
there are also extraordinary harms. whether it's
00:33:50.059 --> 00:33:52.920
the encouragement of children committing suicide,
00:33:54.019 --> 00:33:56.660
the disproportionate invasions of privacy, lack
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of transparency. So I think what we need to pursue
00:34:00.980 --> 00:34:05.859
is an approach that involves various sectors
00:34:05.859 --> 00:34:09.739
of society to provide guardrails, not a break
00:34:09.739 --> 00:34:13.400
to innovation. by guardrails. And this can include
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:17.179
national standards to disclose when AI -generated
00:34:17.179 --> 00:34:21.579
content is presented. It includes human oversight
00:34:21.579 --> 00:34:24.800
in all the high -stake decisions being made by
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:28.699
AI, in healthcare and education, in the use of
00:34:28.699 --> 00:34:32.239
military force, and the development of a global
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:36.219
independent audit agency to see if AI systems
00:34:36.219 --> 00:34:39.440
are in fact serving the common good. Okay. The
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:41.920
Good Reverend is all over the map, has no idea
00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:44.619
what he's talking about. And what he's saying
00:34:44.619 --> 00:34:47.619
is more dangerous than anything. So first of
00:34:47.619 --> 00:34:50.340
all, there's a big difference between AI generated
00:34:50.340 --> 00:34:54.099
content and medical diagnoses. There's no real
00:34:54.099 --> 00:34:56.860
evidence that there's that any of this is happening
00:34:56.860 --> 00:35:00.780
or that there's no cure for cancer yet. The only
00:35:00.780 --> 00:35:02.360
thing he said that was correct was workflows,
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:04.880
improved workflows. I think he's right there.
00:35:04.900 --> 00:35:09.300
But then he confuses. chat bots. And I will remain
00:35:09.300 --> 00:35:14.019
that a chat bot is evil. It is because it tricks
00:35:14.019 --> 00:35:16.619
your brain into thinking you're talking to a
00:35:16.619 --> 00:35:19.099
human being. Yes, that needs to be that should
00:35:19.099 --> 00:35:21.739
be actually forbidden. But, you know, who am
00:35:21.739 --> 00:35:24.619
I to say? But when you talk about guardrails
00:35:24.619 --> 00:35:28.960
and blue ribbon committees, that's never ever,
00:35:29.179 --> 00:35:34.199
ever, ever going to work. So You know, this started
00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:36.940
off wrong for me, but then I think it's Joe Kern,
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:38.800
and I like that guy a lot, by the way, the old
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:42.000
curmudgeon on CNBC. He goes straight to the real
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:46.320
crux of the matter. Reverend, big picture philosophically,
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:49.659
is there a concern? And I'm not talking about
00:35:49.659 --> 00:35:53.360
maybe now or five years or 10 years, but this
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:57.989
is incredible technology that... I don't want
00:35:57.989 --> 00:36:00.789
to call it almighty, but in 50 years, it probably
00:36:00.789 --> 00:36:04.969
borders on something that is almost, again, I
00:36:04.969 --> 00:36:06.829
don't want to say godlike, but we are headed
00:36:06.829 --> 00:36:09.889
to something that we've never experienced before.
00:36:09.929 --> 00:36:11.250
And that's why there's even something called
00:36:11.250 --> 00:36:13.329
the singularity. We don't know what... Do you
00:36:13.329 --> 00:36:14.989
know what the singularity is? I don't. I've heard
00:36:14.989 --> 00:36:16.829
the term, but I don't know. So the singularity
00:36:16.829 --> 00:36:19.210
is a term, it's like a science fiction term,
00:36:19.230 --> 00:36:22.869
and I'm... I can't remember who coined it, but
00:36:22.869 --> 00:36:26.369
it's where... Man and machine meld and become
00:36:26.369 --> 00:36:29.889
one so if you have gotcha the idea is like The
00:36:29.889 --> 00:36:32.070
computer is reading your thoughts and executing
00:36:32.070 --> 00:36:34.369
things. It's you know, so Elon's talked about
00:36:34.369 --> 00:36:37.710
this Well, he has the he has the mind forget
00:36:37.710 --> 00:36:40.269
what is called the the probe stuff that you know
00:36:40.269 --> 00:36:44.030
connects to the computer But I already believe
00:36:44.030 --> 00:36:47.210
if you really look at it on its face Singularity
00:36:47.210 --> 00:36:49.650
is where we are melding with chatbots. I mean,
00:36:49.710 --> 00:36:52.210
so there's a There's a version of that happening
00:36:52.210 --> 00:36:55.469
already. I mean, we are already melded into our
00:36:55.469 --> 00:36:59.210
phones. It's just singularity somehow presumes
00:36:59.210 --> 00:37:05.349
that the interface is no longer air gapped. It's
00:37:05.349 --> 00:37:08.210
connected to you. It's within you. And I think
00:37:08.210 --> 00:37:11.070
most of these Silicon Valley guys, I believe
00:37:11.070 --> 00:37:14.250
many who are not believers, they would really
00:37:14.250 --> 00:37:17.380
like to see this to have eternal life. to live
00:37:17.380 --> 00:37:21.980
on, to be uploaded to the cloud and their being,
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:25.679
their mind can be re -uploaded into a new being
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:29.579
on earth. It's just a very sad way of them finding
00:37:29.579 --> 00:37:32.179
eternal life. Yeah, who wants to be trapped here?
00:37:32.659 --> 00:37:35.460
Let's be real. Let's get honest. We'll continue.
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.039
Societies around the world, there are plenty
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:41.880
of societies that are secular at this point that
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:45.239
have seemed to de -emphasize even the notion
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:48.340
of a God or a supreme being. Do you think this
00:37:48.340 --> 00:37:53.019
even accelerates the move away from God and from
00:37:53.019 --> 00:37:57.409
religion? I think there's a tension here. It's
00:37:57.409 --> 00:38:00.849
both and. It's both accelerating movement away
00:38:00.849 --> 00:38:03.829
from God in the sense that there is a way in
00:38:03.829 --> 00:38:06.010
which this technology is serving the purposes
00:38:06.010 --> 00:38:08.750
that one might think of as God. Relationships,
00:38:08.869 --> 00:38:11.389
development of human relationships, the kind
00:38:11.389 --> 00:38:14.530
of asking for advice, wisdom that could be punched
00:38:14.530 --> 00:38:18.889
into a chat bot and then develop into a relationship
00:38:18.889 --> 00:38:21.769
that you might normally have with another human
00:38:21.769 --> 00:38:25.119
being or religious leader or community. And so,
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:27.400
in some sense, the trust that people are putting
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:31.000
in AI to transform all aspects of society, it
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:34.139
is, as the Pope described in his recent encyclical,
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:37.920
the construction of a Tower of Babel, the trust
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:41.059
in a technology that reflects human hubris that
00:38:41.059 --> 00:38:43.480
not only disconnects us from God, but disconnects
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:48.500
us from each other. That's well said. Yeah, well,
00:38:48.860 --> 00:38:51.099
how do you… Yeah, tell me about how you feel
00:38:51.099 --> 00:38:54.559
about the Tower of Babel comparison there. Yeah,
00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:59.679
I think that has never left humankind, that desire
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:05.219
to excel, to rise up, to elevate themselves.
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:07.960
Of course, the first thing that comes to mind
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:10.079
is the World Economic Forum, because I mentioned
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:14.800
it earlier. They're pretty much dead now. It's
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:18.280
off. That thing's kind of unraveled, but in its
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:21.519
heyday, they were attracting some of the most
00:39:21.550 --> 00:39:24.389
Prolific thinkers and speakers on the planet
00:39:24.389 --> 00:39:26.789
and then they do these forums doesn't mean that
00:39:26.789 --> 00:39:30.469
they're right these know if I'm not No Noah Harari
00:39:30.469 --> 00:39:33.389
is a is not a good guy in my book I don't like
00:39:33.389 --> 00:39:36.489
same as a fear monger and agree and it gets you
00:39:36.489 --> 00:39:40.130
on the speaking circuit. Yeah So, that has never
00:39:40.130 --> 00:39:42.690
left humankind. We live in a fallen world. We
00:39:42.690 --> 00:39:44.869
will continue to be under the curse of the white
00:39:44.869 --> 00:39:47.670
witch, so to speak, if you're thinking of Aslan
00:39:47.670 --> 00:39:50.869
and, you know, C .S. Lewis, but we'll continue
00:39:50.869 --> 00:39:53.750
to live and dwell. We will never fully repair
00:39:53.750 --> 00:39:56.650
that here. You know, we're here to occupy until
00:39:56.650 --> 00:39:59.650
he returns or to be salt and light. But we only
00:39:59.650 --> 00:40:01.730
know that what salt does, it preserves whatever
00:40:01.730 --> 00:40:03.750
it touches, right? That's one of the greatest
00:40:03.750 --> 00:40:07.269
things. Long before refrigeration, salt was what
00:40:07.269 --> 00:40:11.269
saved lives and preserved food and whatnot. Well,
00:40:11.369 --> 00:40:15.130
same way we preserve society. We're the conscious
00:40:15.130 --> 00:40:18.349
of the state, so to speak, and all of that. So
00:40:18.349 --> 00:40:21.159
we're all part of that. But that doesn't mean
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:24.480
that it will not wax worse towards the end if
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:27.119
we are truly in the last of the last days and
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:29.840
Some of the people I really value and appreciate
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:33.159
are saying we're not just in the last days We're
00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:36.059
in the last of the last days because so much
00:40:36.059 --> 00:40:38.719
is happening right now the acceleration of learning
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:42.139
acceleration of Intelligence whether it's artificial
00:40:42.139 --> 00:40:44.659
or real all of these things are happening right
00:40:44.659 --> 00:40:48.949
in front of us. I mean even You buy a phone today,
00:40:49.170 --> 00:40:52.050
it's out of date tomorrow. Things are moving
00:40:52.050 --> 00:40:55.469
so fast. You get a hit song. Even in the church
00:40:55.469 --> 00:40:58.230
world, this bothers me. We sing a song and somebody
00:40:58.230 --> 00:41:04.110
goes, that was so last year. We sang hymns for
00:41:04.110 --> 00:41:06.469
hundreds of years. It didn't bat an eye, but
00:41:06.469 --> 00:41:09.869
all of a sudden, that song's old because it was
00:41:09.869 --> 00:41:15.110
from last year in 2025. It's just weird how we're
00:41:15.110 --> 00:41:18.260
being trained to expect bigger, better, more
00:41:18.260 --> 00:41:21.460
constantly because we're feeding our dopamine
00:41:21.460 --> 00:41:27.219
addictions. To me, it all feeds in together.
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:31.960
So this search and desire to rise up and to do
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:35.000
it without God, that's the whole point. Godless.
00:41:35.500 --> 00:41:37.860
That's the whole point of Marxism, socialism,
00:41:38.340 --> 00:41:42.360
communism. It's we can excel, we can rise up,
00:41:42.539 --> 00:41:45.960
and we don't need God. And listening to you talk,
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:49.880
that's very interesting because even Elon Musk,
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:54.559
he's probably the biggest progenitor of fear
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:57.340
about the future, which he categorizes, it's
00:41:57.340 --> 00:41:59.280
going to be great because you're not going to
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:02.659
need a job. We'll have money for everybody and
00:42:02.659 --> 00:42:04.599
however that's going to work and the robots will
00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:08.340
be running the world, which is really a type
00:42:08.340 --> 00:42:10.780
of socialism. I don't think he even sees it and
00:42:10.780 --> 00:42:13.079
he's not a socialist. He's anti -socialist, but
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:14.539
I don't think he sees it. It seems like there's
00:42:14.539 --> 00:42:18.179
only two ways that this artificial intelligence
00:42:18.179 --> 00:42:22.400
as a moniker can go is either it becomes a god
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:30.340
or what? It's the biggest moneymaker. None of
00:42:30.340 --> 00:42:33.059
these things are happening. I have nothing but
00:42:33.059 --> 00:42:36.940
friends who are struggling in organizations.
00:42:37.820 --> 00:42:42.559
because they're developers, sysadmins, and if
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:44.860
they're honest about things, they can't get a
00:42:44.860 --> 00:42:48.599
job. Like, well, you know, so you're doing the
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:51.099
interview, everything's great. And then, well,
00:42:51.099 --> 00:42:54.019
how do you feel about AI? Well, you know, I certainly
00:42:54.019 --> 00:42:57.280
am more efficient by using it, but it's not really,
00:42:57.579 --> 00:42:59.000
you know, you have to be careful, you got to
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:01.559
have the human in the mix. Thank you for your
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:03.710
time. you know, they want to hear someone say,
00:43:03.769 --> 00:43:06.489
oh yeah, you know, I'm a superhuman. I'm a hundred
00:43:06.489 --> 00:43:09.789
times the guy because I'm token maxing, you know,
00:43:09.889 --> 00:43:13.949
all these terms. And people who are in jobs every
00:43:13.949 --> 00:43:16.590
single day, an executive comes into their office
00:43:16.590 --> 00:43:18.530
and said, well, can't you just throw this in
00:43:18.530 --> 00:43:21.190
the AI and just get the answer? You know, here's
00:43:21.190 --> 00:43:23.469
this contract, you know, just let's just put
00:43:23.469 --> 00:43:25.250
this through AI and so we don't have to do all
00:43:25.250 --> 00:43:28.929
that work. And they're like, no, no, it's not.
00:43:29.260 --> 00:43:39.219
magic. It doesn't do that. This is the evil part.
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:41.679
The marketing that Silicon Valley companies have
00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:48.420
done for this category of product is just purely
00:43:48.420 --> 00:43:51.800
evil. They're either telling you that we're all
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:54.119
going to, you know, this, we can't release this
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:56.780
to the public because this could bring all the
00:43:56.780 --> 00:43:59.239
banks down and this would be the end of the world
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:01.679
and we can't, the government has to step in to
00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:03.659
regulate it so we can always have a mode around
00:44:03.659 --> 00:44:07.679
us. You know, all of these things. And it is
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:10.599
insanity. It is absolute insanity for something
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:14.579
that really is quite a wonderful invention, large
00:44:14.579 --> 00:44:17.639
language models. It's a screwdriver. Yes, but
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:20.559
they're taking the hammer and saying, if you
00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:23.039
don't believe me, this hammer is going to crush
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:26.119
your skull. It's like, stop. You're right. The
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:29.500
fear mongering is out of control. It's interesting.
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:32.360
We call it artificial intelligence. The word
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:38.119
artificial means simulated. By definition. By
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:41.460
definition. It's simulated intelligence. Let's
00:44:41.460 --> 00:44:45.369
call it what it is. It's not real intelligence.
00:44:45.570 --> 00:44:47.989
It's an amalgam of everything people throw on
00:44:47.989 --> 00:44:51.309
the internet, and it just scrapes. Did you look
00:44:51.309 --> 00:44:55.590
up the definition of intelligence? Not yet. Even
00:44:55.590 --> 00:45:01.510
the word is just such a misnomer. It isn't intelligent,
00:45:01.889 --> 00:45:03.889
at least by what I think the definition is, but
00:45:03.889 --> 00:45:06.360
you have it there for me. It has several related
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:08.659
meanings, but general definitions, the ability
00:45:08.659 --> 00:45:12.320
to acquire and apply knowledge and skills, capacity
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:14.559
to learn, reason, understand, solve problems.
00:45:14.980 --> 00:45:17.559
Reason. Reason is where I draw the line. Reason
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:19.739
and solve problems because those go hand in hand
00:45:19.739 --> 00:45:23.539
to me or make sound judgments. Yeah, no. The
00:45:23.539 --> 00:45:26.579
nuances of the human condition, the nuances of
00:45:26.579 --> 00:45:30.300
life and physics themselves just tells you that
00:45:30.300 --> 00:45:34.239
a machine will not be able to handle that. It
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:38.219
is a great interface to other computing devices.
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:44.400
So to be able to say, hey, hail hit my Starlink
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:48.599
satellite receiver. What do I do? It can go out.
00:45:48.659 --> 00:45:51.840
It can find different results. It can score,
00:45:51.860 --> 00:45:54.079
because it's not reasoning. It's scoring based
00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:57.280
upon parameters. Comes back, tells you what to
00:45:57.280 --> 00:45:59.480
do. It usually would be pretty right, because
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:03.630
that knowledge is out there. talking to it. Actually,
00:46:03.849 --> 00:46:06.650
I could not help myself. I wanted to go back
00:46:06.650 --> 00:46:12.090
and check some of my own programming as a child
00:46:12.090 --> 00:46:17.989
growing up with robots. And what was your earliest
00:46:17.989 --> 00:46:21.380
remembrance of a robot? Well, I mean it was from
00:46:21.380 --> 00:46:41.300
Lost in Space. I won. I got it. That's so funny.
00:46:41.420 --> 00:46:44.559
That is my first understanding. But right away
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:47.039
you hear Will Robinson saying, you go on the
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:49.940
wrong way. And the robots go, roll with the punches.
00:46:50.820 --> 00:46:54.360
But this training is... I mean, I have a couple
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:56.179
more clips. They're all pretty short, but I just
00:46:56.179 --> 00:46:59.719
got a plan because this is our programming from
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:03.280
early, early on. But it sounds mysteriously and
00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:07.619
scarily like today. Why shouldn't I be in love?
00:47:07.900 --> 00:47:10.420
I am no different than anyone else. Do you think
00:47:10.420 --> 00:47:13.219
I am just an insensitive collection of computer
00:47:13.219 --> 00:47:15.860
-oriented nuts and bolts? I have a central turbo
00:47:15.860 --> 00:47:18.760
mechanism that feels just like any other robots.
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:22.719
You have your family. Everyone has someone. Except
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:25.750
me. I was all alone until I found her. I will
00:47:25.750 --> 00:47:28.769
never be lonely again. We can force you to operate.
00:47:29.070 --> 00:47:31.289
You cannot force me to do something I know is
00:47:31.289 --> 00:47:34.690
wrong. With alien life forms, ours is not to
00:47:34.690 --> 00:47:37.650
reason why. Ours is but to do or become permanently
00:47:37.650 --> 00:47:41.230
deactivated. You cannot force me to do something
00:47:41.230 --> 00:47:44.949
that is wrong. These are the guardrails. The
00:47:44.949 --> 00:47:48.760
guardrails that everybody's talking about. What
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:51.639
was that from? That's classic. It's all lost
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:54.519
in space. Oh, okay. It's wonderful. All of these
00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:56.460
are lost in space. Because now, of course, you
00:47:56.460 --> 00:47:58.219
kind of hear the guy talking through the tin
00:47:58.219 --> 00:48:01.699
can. Totally. It doesn't always sound like...
00:48:01.699 --> 00:48:04.519
Well, he was the... Robot B9 is what he was.
00:48:04.659 --> 00:48:07.739
Robot B9. Here's the next one. Oh, here we go.
00:48:07.820 --> 00:48:10.340
You dare to question my ability... That's the
00:48:10.340 --> 00:48:13.159
evil Dr. Smith. It was great. You dare to question
00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:16.679
my ability, you scurrilous scatterbrain? I refuse
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:18.599
to answer on the grounds that it might incriminate
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:21.280
me. You can lead a robot to water, but you cannot
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:26.679
make him compute. Easy! That's great. I love
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:30.219
that show. I grew up on that show. But now, listen
00:48:30.219 --> 00:48:33.280
to this, because this is so true even today.
00:48:33.420 --> 00:48:35.960
I am only the end result of those who programmed
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:38.420
me. Now that may be true, but there's something
00:48:38.420 --> 00:48:41.860
more too. Something that doesn't make sense.
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:46.800
You're more than a machine. You're our friend
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:51.400
my computers are deeply affected This is what's
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:56.260
happening today Wow, you know, I'm just Jared
00:48:56.260 --> 00:49:00.280
Lanier who is who I think he's the guy who coined
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:04.179
Basically virtual reality was his vision and
00:49:04.179 --> 00:49:05.980
he's done a lot. You might have seen he's got
00:49:05.980 --> 00:49:09.679
dreadlocks I'm a big guy always dressed in black
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:15.070
and you know kind of like wacky He says Anyone
00:49:15.070 --> 00:49:18.869
who's talking to a chat bot I'd like to open
00:49:18.869 --> 00:49:21.250
the box and show them what's inside and all you
00:49:21.250 --> 00:49:24.469
have to do is show them a picture of The engineers
00:49:24.469 --> 00:49:26.969
who put it together you probably will fall out
00:49:26.969 --> 00:49:29.909
of love very quickly You always have to think
00:49:29.909 --> 00:49:32.949
it that that lost in space clip is the one it's
00:49:32.949 --> 00:49:36.630
like I am only part of what put me in there and
00:49:36.630 --> 00:49:39.690
So that's knowledge literally scraped from the
00:49:39.690 --> 00:49:41.670
internet and there's good and dumb stuff on the
00:49:41.670 --> 00:49:47.760
internet and categorized and put into training
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:51.199
processes by the people who did that. It's nothing
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:54.900
more, nothing less. There is no human being in
00:49:54.900 --> 00:49:57.699
them. And this is, I don't know if we're ever
00:49:57.699 --> 00:49:59.599
going to get through to everybody because I just
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:05.159
see it. And the more I, and I'm so disappointed
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:11.760
by the, by believers in general in the church
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:15.059
sense of the word. Every conference you go to,
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:20.440
there's AI. There's a chatbot. And I have heard
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:26.619
faith leaders. I have heard big names in the
00:50:26.619 --> 00:50:29.320
radio and podcast world. I'm talking like huge
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:31.860
names that you would recognize saying, this is
00:50:31.860 --> 00:50:34.300
so great. We can't wait to add this to our website,
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:41.260
to our app, so people can explore God. You know,
00:50:41.579 --> 00:50:43.880
there's this line. And by the way, they'll say,
00:50:44.179 --> 00:50:47.480
it's spot on. Oh, it's spot on. Oh. Yeah, today,
00:50:48.420 --> 00:50:51.719
but what is exploring God if you just look for
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:54.000
some scripture? I've caught it in tons of contradictions.
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:58.699
And then when you call it out, it'll apologize
00:50:58.699 --> 00:51:02.559
to you like it's a person. Oh. Yes. I'm sorry.
00:51:03.139 --> 00:51:06.500
My bad. That's on me. Honest answer. It's like,
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:10.059
what? He's just trying to agree with you. But
00:51:10.059 --> 00:51:12.630
I've caught it. You know, I'm out. I'm a hearty,
00:51:13.050 --> 00:51:14.409
wind calls the heart. We're going through it
00:51:14.409 --> 00:51:16.289
for the second time right now. We're back to
00:51:16.289 --> 00:51:18.510
season 11 already. A lot of no agenda people
00:51:18.510 --> 00:51:22.050
watching this now. Tina and I got to give it
00:51:22.050 --> 00:51:23.329
another shot. They're my people. Got to give
00:51:23.329 --> 00:51:25.750
it another shot. But I do a lot of fact checking
00:51:25.750 --> 00:51:29.269
or I do a lot of what was going on in 1910. Did
00:51:29.269 --> 00:51:32.570
they have those kinds of cars? Did they have
00:51:32.570 --> 00:51:35.349
electricity in the Northern territories of Canada?
00:51:35.449 --> 00:51:38.789
I ask all kinds of questions and it contradicts
00:51:38.789 --> 00:51:42.269
itself constantly. And I just, Annette goes,
00:51:42.389 --> 00:51:44.789
so she'll be on perplexity, I'm on chat GPT,
00:51:45.030 --> 00:51:47.449
and we'll compare answers. They can be wildly
00:51:47.449 --> 00:51:50.550
different apart from one another. But they present
00:51:50.550 --> 00:51:54.889
them as, this is the facts. So I did something.
00:51:54.889 --> 00:51:57.670
Oh, you did a thing, Pastor Jimmy did a thing.
00:51:58.710 --> 00:52:02.769
So while we were talking earlier, I did this,
00:52:03.010 --> 00:52:07.389
Sid. Are there any Bible verses? that can be
00:52:07.389 --> 00:52:09.829
applied to the potential dangers of using AI
00:52:09.829 --> 00:52:13.909
for spiritual counsel. I love asking it questions
00:52:13.909 --> 00:52:16.969
about itself. Oh, yes, that is fun, isn't it?
00:52:16.989 --> 00:52:19.090
While the Bible obviously doesn't mention artificial
00:52:19.090 --> 00:52:21.929
intelligence, it says a great deal where we seek
00:52:21.929 --> 00:52:24.789
wisdom, whom we trust for spiritual guidance
00:52:24.789 --> 00:52:27.369
and the importance of godly counsel. These passages
00:52:27.369 --> 00:52:29.389
can be thoroughly applied to the use of AI in
00:52:29.389 --> 00:52:32.230
spiritual matters. James 1 .5, if any of you
00:52:32.230 --> 00:52:35.940
lacks wisdom, you should ask God. who gives generously
00:52:35.940 --> 00:52:39.340
to all without. It actually did a really good
00:52:39.340 --> 00:52:42.960
job on this, but it's telling on itself. That's
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:47.139
the funny thing. It can eat itself. You can prompt
00:52:47.139 --> 00:52:51.739
it to actually reveal its own flaws. It's interesting.
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:58.699
It's interesting. it's not God, and it's not
00:52:58.699 --> 00:53:01.940
reasoning, and it's not spiritual. If it's spiritual,
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:05.219
it's malevolently spiritual. It's nefariously
00:53:05.219 --> 00:53:09.340
spiritual because anything spiritual can be manipulated
00:53:09.340 --> 00:53:12.639
because it's so subjective in the way we perceive,
00:53:12.780 --> 00:53:15.800
receive, and understand things. I've been wrong
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:17.739
before. Man, I thought I heard a word from God.
00:53:17.860 --> 00:53:19.639
I acted on it. It's the dumbest thing I ever
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:22.039
did. I mean, because I didn't really hear God.
00:53:22.190 --> 00:53:24.949
Was stepping out in faith I was trying something
00:53:24.949 --> 00:53:27.710
and it was it was a lab class experiment gone
00:53:27.710 --> 00:53:33.849
bad and so we're all gonna have misses and And
00:53:33.849 --> 00:53:36.710
that's part of the human experience right, but
00:53:36.710 --> 00:53:39.449
we learn from those misses I don't know if this
00:53:39.449 --> 00:53:41.429
learns from anything other than just scraping
00:53:41.429 --> 00:53:47.550
more content from the internet more data It learns
00:53:47.550 --> 00:53:50.909
outcomes, you know, but it's it's really the
00:53:50.909 --> 00:53:54.940
the corpus of a of a large language model is
00:53:54.940 --> 00:53:57.519
irrelevant, outdated, subjective to where it
00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:01.619
came from. Using it as a tool to do a search,
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:04.340
to categorize a search, perfectly okay. Make
00:54:04.340 --> 00:54:07.139
sure it's actually searching. You have to say,
00:54:07.300 --> 00:54:10.360
don't get it from your own stuff. Search it online.
00:54:11.210 --> 00:54:14.730
which is probably why Gemini is reasonably good.
00:54:15.150 --> 00:54:17.829
I love making fun pictures with it, no doubt
00:54:17.829 --> 00:54:20.150
about it. Enjoy it while it lasts because this
00:54:20.150 --> 00:54:21.909
stuff costs way too much for these companies,
00:54:22.050 --> 00:54:24.329
they're gonna start charging you. It's great
00:54:24.329 --> 00:54:26.750
for that. Please do not talk to it like a friend.
00:54:27.610 --> 00:54:30.969
And improving workflows. It has improved my life
00:54:30.969 --> 00:54:34.849
dramatically with workflows. So I can say, put
00:54:34.849 --> 00:54:36.900
together all the stuff that I've... put into
00:54:36.900 --> 00:54:38.900
this document, make it into a nice list so I
00:54:38.900 --> 00:54:40.559
can sit down with Pastor Jimmy and do the show
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:44.019
in 15 minutes. Great workflow. It's just doing
00:54:44.019 --> 00:54:48.539
a job. And oh, by the way, it does it 10 times
00:54:48.539 --> 00:54:51.000
right. And then the 11th time, like, what happened?
00:54:51.219 --> 00:54:53.539
You've had to go back and check it every time.
00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:56.920
Oh, that's on me. My bad. I'll own this. You're
00:54:56.920 --> 00:55:00.119
right. OK, fine. Wow. And we will be thanking
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:02.119
some people who supported us. Beautiful. But
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:04.619
before we get to that, I have one big one because
00:55:04.619 --> 00:55:09.360
tomorrow, there's going to be, actually, I'm
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:13.980
sorry, today, Anthony Fauci, Dr. Fauci is going
00:55:13.980 --> 00:55:16.800
to be testifying, I think, before the Senate.
00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:21.739
And this is due to, well, obviously, there's
00:55:21.739 --> 00:55:24.940
a lot of, you know, there's a lot of issues around
00:55:24.940 --> 00:55:28.780
COVID, how it was handled. His personal notes
00:55:28.780 --> 00:55:32.000
have been released to the public by Rand Paul.
00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:38.699
I have two clips here that is just from, what
00:55:38.699 --> 00:55:42.539
is his name now? Because he was a big spokesperson
00:55:42.539 --> 00:55:48.460
during the pandemic, Scott Gottlieb. Now, Scott
00:55:48.460 --> 00:55:53.059
Gottlieb used to be the FDA commissioner. And
00:55:53.059 --> 00:55:55.960
he left the FDA, surprise, surprise to go be
00:55:55.960 --> 00:55:58.210
on the board of Pfizer. You know, this is the
00:55:58.210 --> 00:56:01.650
revolving door thing. So he's really a promoter
00:56:01.650 --> 00:56:05.650
of pharmaceutical products. And most people don't
00:56:05.650 --> 00:56:09.150
really like him for it. But I'm playing this
00:56:09.150 --> 00:56:11.409
not so much for the information, but more about
00:56:11.409 --> 00:56:14.590
when you hear, again, Joe Kernan from CNBC. I
00:56:14.590 --> 00:56:17.050
mean, the best stuff comes from there because
00:56:17.050 --> 00:56:19.690
they have to get some actual information and
00:56:19.690 --> 00:56:23.809
truth for financial investment. But you can hear
00:56:23.809 --> 00:56:27.670
Joe Kernan, sophisticated guy. on an NBC station,
00:56:27.849 --> 00:56:29.690
which would never have said any of these things
00:56:29.690 --> 00:56:34.030
before, questioning Anthony Fauci. And Gottlieb,
00:56:34.030 --> 00:56:36.769
of course, is going to kind of play interference
00:56:36.769 --> 00:56:39.050
and backpedal a bit. But then at least you'll
00:56:39.050 --> 00:56:41.130
get the overview of what's at play here. How
00:56:41.130 --> 00:56:45.010
about your buddy Fauci that I've asked you about
00:56:45.010 --> 00:56:47.289
in the past? You've defended him quite a bit.
00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:50.539
Look, I mean, I don't know what you're referring
00:56:50.539 --> 00:56:54.380
to in terms of... I've asked about whether he
00:56:54.380 --> 00:56:57.380
orchestrated a cover -up of the lab origin because
00:56:57.380 --> 00:57:03.699
of his involvement in making gain -of -function
00:57:03.699 --> 00:57:06.539
research possible again in China, which he did.
00:57:06.860 --> 00:57:09.760
He knew that would come back to haunt him, and
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:12.780
then basically told his colleagues... go with
00:57:12.780 --> 00:57:14.980
the natural origin. It was obvious three years
00:57:14.980 --> 00:57:17.900
ago, Scott, to me anyway, and everybody else
00:57:17.900 --> 00:57:19.960
that he orchestrated that. Yeah, look, we've
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:21.820
talked about this in a show. I think the evidence
00:57:21.820 --> 00:57:25.199
in terms of whether this was human or naturally
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:28.260
derived, I think the side of the ledger that
00:57:28.260 --> 00:57:29.840
speaks to this potentially coming out of the
00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:31.900
lab has grown over time. We haven't had any new
00:57:31.900 --> 00:57:33.920
evidence suggesting that this came out of the
00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:35.460
natural origin of spillover. The latest stuff
00:57:35.460 --> 00:57:39.250
that came out of him, didn't he know? that it
00:57:39.250 --> 00:57:42.909
was likely it was from the lab and go to great
00:57:42.909 --> 00:57:45.650
lengths to tell people to destroy emails? Well,
00:57:45.789 --> 00:57:47.789
look, and I've looked through the emails, some
00:57:47.789 --> 00:57:49.809
of them have been online. I think it's disappointing
00:57:49.809 --> 00:57:53.489
to see him trying to suppress alternative opinions,
00:57:53.530 --> 00:57:55.230
and that clearly was evidence from the emails.
00:57:55.849 --> 00:57:59.530
I thought it was disappointing. Part of it that
00:57:59.530 --> 00:58:02.309
also disappointed me was how much he enjoyed
00:58:02.309 --> 00:58:05.380
the media associated with... uh... you know the
00:58:05.380 --> 00:58:07.320
event in his own appearances i think a lot of
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:09.239
us went on immediately out of his sense of obligation
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:10.980
was a hard time for all of us and it was a hard
00:58:10.980 --> 00:58:13.760
time for you i think a lot of us felt uh... obligation
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:16.139
to inform the public and it wasn't particularly
00:58:16.139 --> 00:58:19.300
enjoyable i mean i got a lot of threats others
00:58:19.300 --> 00:58:22.400
did associate with that and so to see those emails
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:27.079
where he is evidencing some pleasure in the notoriety
00:58:27.079 --> 00:58:30.059
that's disappointing it's not just uh... it's
00:58:30.059 --> 00:58:34.699
just outrageous okay so There's going to be a
00:58:34.699 --> 00:58:39.159
lot said about this testimony today. Rampal totally
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:42.840
set him up with the diaries. I mean, he's literally
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:44.840
like, look how cool I am. People think I'm a
00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:47.159
saint with the candles and the rosary beads.
00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:52.460
So everyone has seen this. I'm so glad. Thank
00:58:52.460 --> 00:58:54.159
you, Jesus, for saving me. I'm a new believer.
00:58:54.260 --> 00:58:58.500
I'm a new man. I'm Adam 2 .0. So when this takes
00:58:58.500 --> 00:59:04.719
place, it's going to be natural human will and
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:11.260
desire to say, hang him, hang him up. What do
00:59:11.260 --> 00:59:14.139
we do? How should we, because this is gonna be
00:59:14.139 --> 00:59:16.139
a conversation, everyone's gonna be, yeah, that
00:59:16.139 --> 00:59:21.139
guy, you know, we're all so mad. And I believe
00:59:21.139 --> 00:59:23.480
him to be pretty guilty of a lot of these things.
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:28.480
How do we, what can we need? Help us pastor Jimmy.
00:59:28.780 --> 00:59:31.059
How should we? Well, first of all, this is where
00:59:31.059 --> 00:59:33.340
we trust the system and it's hard to do that
00:59:33.340 --> 00:59:35.679
because we've had a lot of reasons not to trust
00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:38.800
the justice system But the fact that someone
00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:41.800
like him is not a trial. This is just a testimony
00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:44.539
So right this could lead to this could crack
00:59:44.539 --> 00:59:47.059
open some things. Of course. He has a pardon
00:59:47.059 --> 00:59:50.840
every time I've seen a Senate Oh, nothing happens.
00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:53.719
It's outrage, outrage, outrage. You did this
00:59:53.719 --> 00:59:55.860
and then nothing. That's a good point though,
00:59:56.460 --> 00:59:59.420
because we're going to be outraged over the fact
00:59:59.420 --> 01:00:01.300
that there's nothing happening from the outrage.
01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:03.639
So how do we deal with this as believers? Rarely
01:00:03.639 --> 01:00:08.460
do we see these. So as a believer, I have to
01:00:08.460 --> 01:00:11.730
step back. I'm going to have my flare up. I'm
01:00:11.730 --> 01:00:14.309
going to read or see or whatever. I was at the
01:00:14.309 --> 01:00:16.929
gym and they were flashing pieces of his journal
01:00:16.929 --> 01:00:20.489
up there. I was trying not to watch. There's
01:00:20.489 --> 01:00:23.369
like 80 TVs at Planet Fitness in Bernie, Texas.
01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:27.400
You're surrounding you've got the view on one
01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:30.619
you got Fox right next to Wow I mean you fry
01:00:30.619 --> 01:00:33.860
your brain the whole spectrum Yeah, and they're
01:00:33.860 --> 01:00:36.699
all saying different things about the same things.
01:00:36.699 --> 01:00:39.139
It's hilarious It's so obvious when you put them
01:00:39.139 --> 01:00:42.900
all up to teach one each one up up to the other
01:00:42.900 --> 01:00:47.139
But I have to literally step back Amir Safardi
01:00:47.139 --> 01:00:52.510
who is an odd last name, but he is one of my
01:00:52.510 --> 01:00:55.190
favorite spokespersons coming out of the Jewish
01:00:55.190 --> 01:00:58.590
faith, Judaism, who's now Messianic. He's a Christian
01:00:58.590 --> 01:01:03.130
on fire for Jesus. And he literally says this,
01:01:03.150 --> 01:01:05.590
I just read this from him, and we support his
01:01:05.590 --> 01:01:07.309
ministry, by the way, it's called Behold Israel.
01:01:07.989 --> 01:01:12.489
He said that, I'm done with media. I've pushed
01:01:12.489 --> 01:01:16.650
back from all kinds of media. And he said, I've
01:01:16.650 --> 01:01:19.250
decided I'm going to get my news from the scripture.
01:01:20.250 --> 01:01:23.429
And he said it this way. He said, while the world
01:01:23.429 --> 01:01:26.670
wants to know and waits for what's about to happen,
01:01:27.210 --> 01:01:31.289
he said, I'm waiting for who is about to happen.
01:01:32.650 --> 01:01:35.849
And I love the way he put that because he's like,
01:01:36.289 --> 01:01:38.889
okay, enough's enough. Push back from the table
01:01:38.889 --> 01:01:44.250
and say, stop the madness. I've watched enough
01:01:44.250 --> 01:01:46.929
of these Senate hearings. Everybody has. It's
01:01:46.929 --> 01:01:49.150
outrage, outrage, outrage. Everybody yells. Everybody
01:01:49.150 --> 01:01:52.269
gets a chance to kind of vent, you know, but
01:01:52.269 --> 01:01:54.730
nothing really tends to come of them other than
01:01:54.730 --> 01:01:59.369
just press. It's theater. And as a Christian,
01:01:59.409 --> 01:02:03.389
I need to push back from that. And, you know,
01:02:03.489 --> 01:02:05.769
I look at whatever happens. You and I have talked
01:02:05.769 --> 01:02:08.789
about this before. Somebody posts something harsh
01:02:08.789 --> 01:02:11.070
against you or me, and it happens all the time.
01:02:11.090 --> 01:02:15.170
I've had more this week. And I just go, thank
01:02:15.170 --> 01:02:17.929
you for giving me your name. And now I have a
01:02:17.929 --> 01:02:22.030
target. I can now pray for you by name. But when
01:02:22.030 --> 01:02:26.670
this is the conversation at work, at the dinner
01:02:26.670 --> 01:02:33.610
table, I'm struggling with it as well. I'm angry
01:02:33.610 --> 01:02:38.610
about it. Do we have to forgive him? Yes. Oh,
01:02:38.610 --> 01:02:42.889
man. Ask how many times. Seven times seven times
01:02:42.889 --> 01:02:44.969
seventy -seven, seventy -seven. Infinite number.
01:02:45.170 --> 01:02:47.730
Infinite number. You know, if it was easy to
01:02:47.730 --> 01:02:51.000
be a true, authentic, God -fearing believer.
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:52.980
Everybody would be it. Everybody would do it.
01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:56.440
You know, I was thinking the other day, if people
01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:59.000
put, because this is how I came to God and to
01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:02.019
Jesus, is I looked at it as a conspiracy theory.
01:03:02.059 --> 01:03:05.159
I literally said that on Joe Rogan. I said, I've
01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:07.679
looked at all of them and I'd heard enough of
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:09.099
this one, like, all right, let me take a look
01:03:09.099 --> 01:03:11.920
at this. And it only took two weeks. If everybody
01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:15.559
in America, but in the world, spent as much time
01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:18.219
as they do going down rabbit holes, and looking
01:03:18.219 --> 01:03:21.019
at conspiracy theories, if they just looked at
01:03:21.019 --> 01:03:24.980
Jesus, we would have a whole nation of believers
01:03:24.980 --> 01:03:29.320
because it's the same amount of work. Do your
01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:32.539
own research, people. Seriously, it's amazing
01:03:32.539 --> 01:03:35.599
what you will find. Put down your screens. Pick
01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:38.420
up your Bibles. Amen, brother. Amen. Come on.
01:03:39.019 --> 01:03:42.820
So we're starting true value for value on we
01:03:42.820 --> 01:03:45.380
have to do this and we would love for you if
01:03:45.380 --> 01:03:48.280
you feel like you got any value because we want
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to expand this. It does take time. It's a direction
01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:54.920
that that I'm headed. So I'm hoping that people
01:03:54.920 --> 01:03:57.460
will bless us with the work that we do and we
01:03:57.460 --> 01:03:59.920
hope to continue building community everywhere
01:03:59.920 --> 01:04:03.920
we can. Value for value is what I've lived on
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:05.960
for the past 20 years. If you get any value from
01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:08.380
what we what we talked about what we've done.
01:04:09.699 --> 01:04:12.320
It can be things that we're not even thinking
01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:14.739
of that could give you value. Just consider sending
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it back. Time, talent, and treasure. You can
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write us a note. You can spread news about the
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show. Also, your treasure is important and necessary.
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And so we started our website, WGTDT .com, complete
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new experiment by pointing that right to our
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substack. And I love this. First of all, Pastor
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Jimmy's in there all the time, and he's seeing
01:04:40.170 --> 01:04:41.969
all the comments. I am. I'm reading the comments.
01:04:42.170 --> 01:04:44.530
I'm answering people. You're a substacker, man.
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I love it, man. I love that. The community is
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positive. Yes. But also, you subscribe to the...
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To the sub stack and that way you automatically
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get the get the emails. There's also really easy
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to become a paid subscriber I like super easy.
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You can say yes today and take it off tomorrow.
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Whatever you want We also have, you know PayPal
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you can send an open donation All of that is
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good. The most important part is that you send
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us a note with it Yeah, and that always takes
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a little time to get people used to it. So we
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have notes at wgtdt .com send us a note if you're
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going to support us. I just want to thank the
01:05:27.670 --> 01:05:31.829
people who right off the bat started supporting
01:05:31.829 --> 01:05:35.070
us and sending notes. Michael Anastasio, who
01:05:35.070 --> 01:05:40.230
is the OG Samoyed, came in twice with $100 and
01:05:40.230 --> 01:05:44.989
$50. Thank you so much, Michael. Matthew Williamson
01:05:44.989 --> 01:05:52.679
sent us $100, which is $149 .64 in Australia.
01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:55.880
It's dollar reduced down there. And he has a
01:05:55.880 --> 01:05:58.820
note and he says, good day, Adam and Pastor Jimmy.
01:05:58.860 --> 01:06:01.699
I should not try to the accent. My name is Matt.
01:06:01.820 --> 01:06:03.980
I'm an Australian army veteran who was medically
01:06:03.980 --> 01:06:06.860
discharged in 2021 with back and wrist injuries
01:06:06.860 --> 01:06:09.360
among others. This was a huge adjustment for
01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:12.059
me in some really tough times. I saw Adam and
01:06:12.059 --> 01:06:14.119
Joe Rogan at the start of COVID and started listening
01:06:14.119 --> 01:06:16.860
to No Agenda, Podcasting 2 .0, MoFax, Korean
01:06:16.860 --> 01:06:19.800
The Keeper, and now we get to do this. Adam,
01:06:19.820 --> 01:06:22.019
No Agenda saved me during my discharge from the
01:06:22.019 --> 01:06:23.840
army. This is kind of what you're talking about
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:26.940
when you're discharged and then now what? Reentry.
01:06:27.139 --> 01:06:30.260
You taught me the dangers of opioids and antidepressants,
01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:32.380
two things they love to throw at the veterans.
01:06:32.940 --> 01:06:34.719
Because of you and John, I'm no longer dependent
01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:36.760
on them from the bottom of my heart and my family's
01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:38.699
heart. Thank you. That's great. Just like No
01:06:38.699 --> 01:06:41.139
Agenda helped me with my medical discharge, we
01:06:41.139 --> 01:06:43.599
get to do this as helping me with the passing
01:06:43.599 --> 01:06:46.300
of John. Thanks for the work you both are doing.
01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:48.579
Can't wait for the episode to be three hours
01:06:48.579 --> 01:06:53.019
long. Whoa. I'm going to need a catheter. I can't
01:06:53.019 --> 01:06:56.260
sit here for three hours. Pastor Jimmy, thank
01:06:56.260 --> 01:06:58.420
you for being there for Adam during this time.
01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:01.159
It means a lot to No Agenda Nation. It's crazy
01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:03.579
how much John's passing has affected me. Randomly,
01:07:03.579 --> 01:07:05.500
I would just start crying. This never happened
01:07:05.500 --> 01:07:08.460
to me for everything. Touches me. I'm hearing
01:07:08.460 --> 01:07:10.500
that over and over. I apologize for the long
01:07:10.500 --> 01:07:12.920
note. Believe me. It's not long at all by any
01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:14.920
standard. But you never know who could help.
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:16.800
Thank you, Matt from North Queensland. Thank
01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:18.119
you very much. Thank you, Matt. We appreciate
01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:23.320
you. Kathy Rhodes came in with $88 .88 in honor
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of JCD's favorite numbers. There's the Pickle
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Princess, Jodie White, with $75. I love you guys.
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Keep up the good work. I think she's married
01:07:33.380 --> 01:07:36.639
to Bo. I'm not sure. I have somehow the feeling
01:07:36.639 --> 01:07:39.559
that they're together. Somehow in cahoots. I
01:07:39.559 --> 01:07:41.539
got a note from me, it's like I got up and Jody,
01:07:41.619 --> 01:07:43.860
I'm like, I don't know, maybe, I don't know,
01:07:43.980 --> 01:07:49.719
but I need to get some more. I ordered eight
01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:52.159
or ten of those a while back. Oh my goodness.
01:07:52.159 --> 01:07:54.360
And I am enjoying them. My goodness. And by the
01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:57.679
way, these people are basically producers of
01:07:57.679 --> 01:08:00.980
the show, so they get a credit on the episode.
01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:08.719
Paul Erskine, $50. Brian at Albright Networks,
01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:13.539
$50. It's really good if you send the notes so
01:08:13.539 --> 01:08:18.659
I can get your names right. John's Burt, I know
01:08:18.659 --> 01:08:23.199
him from other shows, John's BRT, $50, thank
01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:28.609
you. Debbie, I don't know Debbie. 4H4, I have
01:08:28.609 --> 01:08:31.289
no idea. Well, Debbie, thank you. $50. Steve
01:08:31.289 --> 01:08:33.569
Weiss. There's Steve Weiss. Oh, let's see. Great
01:08:33.569 --> 01:08:35.250
guy. His wife are amazing. Steve and Stephanie
01:08:35.250 --> 01:08:39.850
from Las Vegas. Yeah. Good Bleeds from Steve
01:08:39.850 --> 01:08:41.550
and Stephanie in Las Vegas. Is he always Good
01:08:41.550 --> 01:08:44.039
Bleeds? I wonder if you meant God bless that
01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:45.300
it came out well. I think he meant God bless.
01:08:45.659 --> 01:08:47.119
That could have been a typo. Kind of like the
01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:51.140
one you sent me today and I said, can you… I
01:08:51.140 --> 01:08:53.500
need the gift of tongues, interpretation of tongues
01:08:53.500 --> 01:08:57.460
for that one. I'm struggling over here. 3333,
01:08:57.659 --> 01:08:59.500
thank you very much, Steve. We appreciate you.
01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:04.199
And I think it's D Spellman, which may or may
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:07.779
not be Dwayne. He says V for V, R -I -P -J -C
01:09:07.779 --> 01:09:11.239
-D. And we thank you all so much for the value
01:09:11.239 --> 01:09:13.840
sent to the podcast. Really appreciate it. W
01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:17.829
-G -T -D -T dot com. All right, brother, let's
01:09:17.829 --> 01:09:19.130
land this plane. You got something for us? Can
01:09:19.130 --> 01:09:20.630
I land it in the scripture? Yeah, I love that.
01:09:20.949 --> 01:09:22.930
Please. You know, I'm circling all the way back
01:09:22.930 --> 01:09:24.829
to where we started and that was talking about
01:09:24.829 --> 01:09:27.569
the Noajinda Nation, which now, praise God, are
01:09:27.569 --> 01:09:32.069
becoming the WGTDT. Do we get to doers? I've
01:09:32.069 --> 01:09:37.050
got to practice that. Just go WGTDT. That's how
01:09:37.050 --> 01:09:40.369
it works. WGTDT. Now, as we're developing our
01:09:40.369 --> 01:09:43.189
own community, obviously, it's a one big family.
01:09:43.329 --> 01:09:45.930
We need jingles for our domain name. We do. We
01:09:45.930 --> 01:09:49.789
need a bell. Today, I would have been bopping
01:09:49.789 --> 01:09:53.810
several times. You know you don't have a podcast
01:09:53.810 --> 01:09:57.930
until you have a bell. I need a bell. Today,
01:09:58.149 --> 01:10:00.310
I'm like, oh, that was bell -worthy. Valid point.
01:10:00.470 --> 01:10:02.789
So here it is. First Thessalonians 4 .13 and
01:10:02.789 --> 01:10:06.399
14. Brothers. We do not want you to be ignorant
01:10:06.399 --> 01:10:08.699
about those who fall asleep," that means pass
01:10:08.699 --> 01:10:12.560
away, or to grieve like the rest of men who have
01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:16.140
no hope. We believe that Jesus died and rose
01:10:16.140 --> 01:10:19.140
again, and so we believe that God will bring
01:10:19.140 --> 01:10:22.600
with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.
01:10:23.319 --> 01:10:26.539
There's the key, in Him. Now, in the next verse,
01:10:26.579 --> 01:10:29.579
he says, therefore, encourage each other with
01:10:29.579 --> 01:10:32.920
these words. So we don't grieve like the world
01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:35.039
grieves. We still grieve. I mean, you know, it's
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:39.319
real. Jesus wept when Lazarus passed, even though
01:10:39.319 --> 01:10:41.079
not long afterwards. He knew that he could bring
01:10:41.079 --> 01:10:42.579
him and would bring him back. He knew what was
01:10:42.579 --> 01:10:45.840
going to happen. But yet the human side of Jesus,
01:10:46.039 --> 01:10:50.020
Son of Man, he wept. He wept over, but he also
01:10:50.020 --> 01:10:52.960
wept over the condition and what it impacted
01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:55.239
other people. And you've had that moment where
01:10:55.239 --> 01:10:57.439
you're reading these and just going, you know,
01:10:57.439 --> 01:11:00.670
it just gets to you. And that's beautiful. But
01:11:00.670 --> 01:11:03.970
I love what it says, we do not grieve like the
01:11:03.970 --> 01:11:07.050
rest of men who have no hope. That is what we
01:11:07.050 --> 01:11:11.569
have in Christ. You can take a lot of things
01:11:11.569 --> 01:11:15.390
away, but if you keep your hope, you can get
01:11:15.390 --> 01:11:18.390
through anything. And that hope is found only
01:11:18.390 --> 01:11:21.649
in Christ. That's right. Amen. Thank you, brother.
01:11:22.449 --> 01:11:26.479
Three pointer. Alright everybody, thank you for
01:11:26.479 --> 01:11:28.020
supporting us, thank you for listening. We'll
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be back next Wednesday. We get to do this!
