We Get To Do This - Danger Will Robinson!

0:00 Abba Father, Lord Jesus, Holy Spirit, we are so thankful to be here today. It is such a privilege to break from the regular routine of the things we do, and we do a lot of things, we spend a lot of plates, but it is our privilege to get to do this. We get to do this. So Lord, we pray specifically for those that will... listen to this, whether they're doing it on purpose, or they find us somehow, or somebody sends it to them, that they will find themselves encouraged, inspired, and sometimes even challenged. And so, Lord, we give this to you. We fire the arrows. You pick the target. In Jesus' name. Amen. Amen.

0:41 It's Wednesday, July 29th, 2026. We get to do this. This is episode number 43. Hello brother, how you doing? I'm doing great. I was just locking my car remotely so You know, have you actually done the remote start? Yes. I keep forgetting. I do too. I'm walking out of H -E -B. I'm like, oh man, oh, it's 98 degrees. It's always an H -E -B. And I didn't do it. When we go to the gym, I always remember because I'm hot. I'm feeling it. But I always forget at the grocery store.

1:26 I get there, why am I paying for this? Well, it's a freebie right now. It is. I would do a freebie too. And then it's going to be, oh, and this costs you $5 a month. I don't think that's worth it. There's a lot of these little nuances that pop up. subscription life, right? I mean, you may or may not have a few subscriptions. I've actually been paring down. It's a job going back in because they don't make it easy for you to unsubscribe. You know, I was listening to the clips show of No Agenda with John C. Dvorak, who we'll talk about a little bit in a moment. And there was a really old clip. And I knew it was old because of the sound quality, you know, back in the Skype days and latency and lag and everything. EQ is real different on those old days. It was halfway across the world. I was in London at the time. And he was talking about, I forget the guy's name, a Silicon Valley guy.

2:22 He said, that in the future, everything we think as things we buy and own will be licensed and will be on subscription. And in time, John was talking about books, music, and movies, because back in those days, you know, 15, 16 years ago, you downloaded songs, you owned them, you could put them on different devices, you had DVDs. And he was right. All of that has gone. And now it's moving to the automobile. The minute you open the door, you basically have signed a license. They, oh yeah, I agree to these terms. Not necessarily a good thing. Well, we've heard that wonderful quote from the World Economic Forum. Oh yeah, you will own nothing and you will be happy. Yeah.

3:07 So not so much. Like, how many subscriptions do I have? Wait, where's that? Because the net's always going. What's this $6 .37 charge? Bro, Tina opened up one of the bank accounts, which literally just is there for PayPal stuff, because it goes from that bank account to PayPal. He's like, what is this Brmafidnava for $17? Because it's all abbreviated. Right. You have to look at the PayPal. He's like, what? What is all this? You give a lot of money to Google. I said, no, I do subscriptions through Google. That's why it shows up as Google. Is it just me or is the on -ramp so easy, but the off -ramp is a nightmare?

3:53 I've actually found that if you do everything through Google Payments, the off ramp is pretty easy. You just say stop. I've been lazy. So I'm just like, yeah, what am I on right now? Okay. And then I have to run it all back down. Fortunately, I've got it down to where it's just a couple, just a very few things, but I'm trying to be cautious about that. So this is a moment for me to exhale. I've been working up, working up to this, just running, running, running, gunning, getting everything ready. You know, we have since the passing of my other podcast partner, John C. Dvorak, things are changing, things are morphing. I feel like I'm also trying to be there for another family, because we are family, be it intercontinental.

4:41 We've never really talked about personal stuff per se. It's always been business, but always laughing and always joking. And so that's still laughter through the tears, you know, and whereas we're trying to figure stuff out. And John gave plenty of opportunities to laugh. And that's one of the, I think is one of his greatest contributions, even if he was being a curmudgeon. I was always disappointed if I listened to the show and he wasn't a curmudgeon. I'm like, hey, he's in a good mood. I think you and 98 % of the people. I love the chemistry that you guys had. Something has happened to me, which is kind of odd for me, but it's beautiful. Brutal, maybe is a better word. Because I'm such good friends with you and Tina, Annette and I, And because we've walked together now for three years, pretty much nonstop.

5:30 I mean, we've traveled together, we've done a lot of things, and now we're doing this. But I have, I feel like I've either been adopted into the No Agenda Nation, Gitmo Nation, or I've just adopted mine. I just barged in and crashed the party because I've been blessed to go to some of the meetups, a couple of local here. out at Jenny's place and then out over in Austin, a couple of those. And so that's about four that I've been to. And every time I've gone, I came away lifted, inspired. I love meeting, you know me, man, I couldn't walk down the hall here without having a conversation. We always start the podcast late. Oh, we saw five people we knew at HEB yesterday.

6:16 What could have taken five minutes was an hour. I'm just here for dental floss, people. Let me go. I'm here for a gallon of milk. Well, you are a part of Knowage and the Nation. I feel like I am. And an important part because the more I listen to what people have to say and thousands of emails, I'm trying to get through all of them, the donation notes which you got over the past two episodes, I noticed that Yes, people came for the media deconstruction, for the clips, et cetera, but it was the chemistry between us that made it work, which is always the case with a podcast. It doesn't matter what you're talking about. People want to listen in on the conversation, and they like the dynamic, and that's a big part of it. So you were as much an extension into the show as... As my daughter as my wife as you know all these different people who are around me, but also This is the big thing that I noticed when all of these notes came in 65 % at least were godly spiritual believers not you know, there were some faith thoughts and prayers. Oh, yeah You know, there's there's a lot of that and well wishes and I'm not discounting that all good, but a lot of godly people and I I hope that my openness about my faith helps, and we've had some actual feedback that people said, oh, because you did that, now I feel like

7:47 I can be more open about it. And you've seen it, the meetups, people come up to you and it's not just, hey, you're a friend of mine. It's like, pastor, I got some questions. Yeah, it's been beautiful. Because people are always asking questions. People are writing me too, which is really nice. I've enjoyed it. I answered one even just this morning. And I love that. I love that interaction. you know, we may not always be able to be in each other's face, but we are in each other's space, so to speak, so in our orbits. And so I love it. What it is for me, it's a pastor's heart, it's a shepherd's heart. So the shepherd wants to protect the flock and the sheep. And it's like the Lord's extended my flock, or at least my heart for the flock, so to speak, where I'm just so, I'm feeling some of the grief and weight that that the family is because it's tragic anytime somebody passes and all that's hard anyway. We grieve and we should grieve well and grieve fully. I remember my mother passed, I was young, she passed at 45 so I was in like a sophomore in college. And when she passed, I went to, I didn't feel a lot of grief instantly. I'm a delayed griever. So I got there and I was thinking about this in terms of even listening to you on the show, have some moments where there was a break in your voice, you know? Absolutely. But I know why.

9:14 It's the same reason I do. I don't often grieve for myself personally. I will later when everybody's okay. But in the moment, I'll grieve for those that I see hurting, that I see broken. I think you felt that same weight as you were manning the microphone. Completely. Because you were smack dab in the middle of it. You're in the other part of that equation and that chemistry. But what I heard in your voice, especially when you read that opener on the Sunday, that was a shepherd's heart. It wasn't just a friend or a business partner. It was actually a shepherd's heart, a pastoral heart that's driven by Christ in His kingdom and His kingdom alive in you.

9:56 You were feeling those things. You were empathizing. And I'm feeling the same thing for... So I've written several daily grinds specific... Yeah, for No Agenda Nation. To No Jits, and oh, I'm posting it everywhere else. But really, this is for that group that's hurting, that group that's confused or just struggling right now. Normal grief. It is normal. It doesn't feel normal when you're in it. Mm -hmm. Yeah, but it but it won't last forever. Yes. It's but you got to go through it. You can't go around it It's funny that I only broke up a couple times during the show and the the hardest one was being Mmm, was it Thursday or whatever? There was a donation note from a ham radio operator And when a ham radio operator passes away, he becomes an SK, a silent key, from the old Morse code key. Oh, you're right. I tear up again. I don't know why this gets me. Brother, feel it. Let it go. So you go on the air, and you call out his call sign, and then you wait. And so he had recorded this here. And he calls that again, third time.

11:09 He says, OK. Nothing heard, silent key. That's very much like the police officers, what they do, the firefighters. They have a ceremonial radio moment for the whole, everybody listening. That's what it was. It's honor is what it is. It hit me so hard because we were... hack hams. We just became hams for the lark of it and just to tell people you should become a ham radio operator just in case the world crumbles. You need a way to communicate. We would always be able to do the show on ham radio. All those dystopian movies have one ham radio operator who's broadcasting across the desolate landscape. It was always us. He was always a little wacko in the movies though. He's a little weird. Again, always us, same guy. I'd been feeling a pull towards doing things for the kingdom for a long time. Look at why we're doing this podcast. That wasn't by accident. I'd been feeling this pull for a long time and with John's really sudden passing, immediately I started to feel things, and not just what I feel or what I'm hearing in prayer, but also the scripture. I think I might have mentioned this to you, but it's like God pre -wrote everything and put it in exactly on the 27th of July, 2026, so I would read that. But it was everywhere. It was about transition. with

12:42 death. I just wrote down a couple of scriptures that popped up, Joshua 1, 2 and 5, Moses, my servant is dead, now therefore arise, go over as Jordan, thou and all... I got the King James, and all his people unto the land which I do give to them. As I was with Moses, I will be with thee, I will not fail thee nor forsake thee. Joshua 1 .9, have I not commanded thee, be strong and be of good courage, be not afraid, neither be dismayed, for the Lord the God is with thee wherever you go. I got, when the road ahead is unclear, Psalm 37 .23. Of course, that's the steps of a good man are ordered by the Lord and he delights in the details of his life. But also in Proverbs 3, trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not into your own understanding and always acknowledge Him and He will direct your paths. So, I mean, and it just went on and on, Jimmy, just it did not stop. And then, of course, the new thing, how struck by, wait a minute, where was I? I think I had it here. What is the passing of the mantle? Is that from Elijah?

14:05 I had it here somewhere. Elijah tears his clothes and picks up the mantle. Elijah tears his clothes and picks up the mantle and goes back to work the same day. So all these things, and for me it means a handoff, a transition, new things, literally new things were popping up. I got a I think it was a devotional from Krish Dhanam. Yeah, yeah, I got that same devotional. It was good. Yeah, he had 1 Corinthians 10, 13, no temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful. He will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with temptation He will also provide the way of escape and you may be able to endure it. And he has a, you know, so he has a whole devotional and a call to action.

14:52 Trust the hands beside you, rest in the hold above you, guard the heart within you, walk boldly toward the hope ahead of you." And it was this, like constant, constant, constant. Now, maybe it's because you get a 10 -speed bike, you see 10 -speed bikes everywhere, but I don't think it was that. I think it was something else going on. That's a Holy Spirit -inspired filter. It's a new filter, a new grid. Yes. And so as I'm feeling all of this and I'm thinking, well, first of all, we're taking two weeks off from No Agenda, but I was already very clear like there's going to be change and that change is going to be me in particular because I have other things to do. And I can't just, you know, it's not like your wife passes away and here's my new wife and it's going to be the same. We were each other's work wise for lack of a better analogy. And that's just not how it works. And you can't just like start a new Chemistry with somebody whereas I've literally started we've been talking about doing the show for three years before we even started it So I could hit record three years ago, right?

16:01 So, you know then there but then there's also there's another family that depends on yeah the finances of it and wars and us too and this is you know, this is the thing where this past week has been Of course also had got a granddaughter. So it's been incredibly joyous incredibly sad And then fear sets in, like, oh, what now? So now what? I mean, for more than 15 years of my work life, I've had one job, really. And I've done lots of other things, but I've had one job. And this job has sustained our lifestyle. We're not super wealthy. We are more than comfortable. And I'm super happy with that because I don't need anymore. It's fine. But then you start thinking, well, what if, you know, so this will go down, will it go up? Do I struggle with somebody else?

16:54 And you know when you start down that, the enemy just jumps in right away. He's an opportunist and he takes, he leverages things against us. So when we have that one, that thought creeps in, we give it a little power, we entertain it for a moment. And it's like tipping the first domino and they just start to go. And I'm so grateful. to Jesus that I was saved because this is exactly the season where I need my faith to be able to at night just crawl up next to Tina and say, Lord Jesus, Father Abba, just hold us. Hold us, make us feel secure. People don't realize, you know, I don't know what, people don't know me really. They know me, but they don't. I mean, without no agenda, you know, I have no income.

17:40 There's an identity piece that happens. So I pastored a church in Abilene, we were 60 % military. So we would see these guys and we'd go to their ceremonies, their 20 year when they exit and retire. And it was so, the ceremony is always amazing. And man, it's a big party, there's food and friends and family come from all over. It's a big hurrah. And then when the lights go down and all the party stuff's gone away, Those guys go home and go, what do I do now? Their entire identity for 20 years, I thought about you, was wrapped up in one thing. And so that's another thing you have to grieve. You have to. You have to grieve, okay, this is a part of who I am.

18:26 It will always be a part of who I am, but it is not my primary purpose now. My mission has changed. My directive has changed. working for the kingdom with Godcaster and we've been doing this show. And you know me that I've never really worried about money because it was always there and something always happened. That's since 1990. So I'm not, you know, panic stricken by that. But also I'm like, okay. What am I going to do? How do we move forward? We have savings, you know, how long, you know, it's all these things. And you're not worried about yourself, but you have a wife. A wife, and that's another person in the equation. Another family. Right. And so it felt very much like everyone's looking at me, not just the families, but an entire audience of producers are looking at me. What are you going to do? And so my, I mean, I think I told you, I heard this so clear. Darren and Larry, you guys, I'm gonna, my machine will, my process will deliver the clips. You guys have a great chemistry. steer the ship for a bit. I'll pop in on Thursday. We'll see how it feels. There has to be a transition. And this, one of my devotionals, of course, I forgot to bring the book with me this morning. It was all about transition. Is it the one your daughter gave you? Yes, it is.

19:47 That guy is good, by the way. I've been looking at some of his stuff. He's amazing. I like it. And the fact that my daughter gave it to me just blows me away. So, but I, everywhere, trust in the Lord. I know he has a plan. I know it's a plan for good and no matter what it is. And God bless Tina because she's like, I'm with you. Whatever it is, whatever God has in store for us, let's just listen, listen, listen, try to be obedient and follow and stay the course. And so everything for me points towards we get to do this. but that doesn't mean I'm just dropping no agenda. I'm an active producer and I will be a voice on it. It'll be cool. I love the fact that you're gonna be popping in. It's almost better unannounced like, oh, by the way, we got Adam on the line. I think that's so comforting for people. Yeah, but also just looking at the mix of audience, I think that the... identity that I had for 16 years and now I have a new identity which has been that way for the past three, it's a different identity and it requires a different output. So Sunday Tina and I come to the early service as usual. I'm laughing at you, I love you so much because you know what's coming and you're pretending like you don't know because Tina told the net. So I know you already

21:18 know. No, actually, I'm a little blind. Oh, really? Okay, we have three teenagers in our house right now. I'm a little bit fuzzy because we're talking about what to put in the news. We're doing a newsletter now wgtdt .com. Make sure you sign up for the newsletter, become a subscriber there. And so we're going through because this is a big part the success of any value for value podcast. You got to have a newsletter. You have to continue. You know, people have busy lives. You got to remind them what's coming. And I say, okay, I'm going to talk about this. And she says, did you talk with Jimmy about this? I said, no. In fact, I told him, I'll tell you what it is on the show. Oh, oh, I told Annette. I'm like, oh, oh, anyway, it doesn't matter because the story is still the same. So great service. You were on fire.

22:09 As usual, the worship team was amazing. And then as you're landing, first of all, I have to say one of our people, I forget her name. She came up to me during the Say Hi to Your Neighbor, the little mini meetup segment. And she says, I just want to say, I love listening to you and John. And I only came in when he had his bypass, and then it started to come. She was talking about her son had a bypass, and her parents had it. And she just broke down, like, come on. You were already moving into the mess. Cracked up. I saw y 'all talking. Yeah, because she was just. But I saw it looks as serious, so I just kept going. But I knew y 'all were staying there for a bit. Yeah, and I sat her down. It was comforting for me, and I hope for her. Anyway. Oh, it was.

22:58 So you have a great message. And near the end, I'm thinking, oh, man, because the prayer team comes up. And I'm thinking to myself, we should probably just have someone pray over us. Maybe it should be Garrett. And I didn't say anything. And then I said, Tina, would you like someone to pray over us? She says, yeah, I think it has to be Garrett. OK. So all right. I said, well, wow. OK. So we go over to Garrett. And I don't know much about Garrett other than he runs the men's minute. He has a, like a men's thing on - He's a group leader. Yeah, on Thursdays, I believe. Nice guy. Great guy. Tina sees him in the gym all the time. And he says, oh, I was hoping you would come over because I have something for you. And I'm like, okay, well, that's interesting.

23:51 And he says - I wish I could have recorded it because I can never get the words exactly right. And would you say Garrett has some prophetic nature to himself? Oh, absolutely. He does. Yeah, I've noticed that about him. It's a gift, yes. A spiritual gift. Yeah, he definitely has a spiritual gift. And he says, you know, something is changing, something big is happening. You need to transition. There's that word again. And however, I see that there's something very important you got to be doing. You need to be you need to be spreading, I think I've said the voice of God, but you need to be spreading God through your voice. And he just kept on going. He said, do you know about my podcast partner? He said, no, I know you do a podcast. I'm not quite sure. I said, well, he just passed away. And he says, there it is.

24:44 There it is. And I mean, I am giving you the abbreviated version. I wish you could have heard it. But we both looked at each other like, Okay, there's more confirmation. So from now on when someone says they have a word for you, pull out your phone and hit record. I've learned that the hard way because I can remember everything. That is a good idea. It has been so helpful and saved my bacon a few times where I thought, I know they said something like that. Wow. Yeah. So anyway, next time. So I'm going to do that. Beautiful. And there is a transition and I can't... Nor do I want to drop knowledge in the nation, but I have to put my focus elsewhere because that is what I'm being told to do. It's a new chapter, a new season. Yes. But here's the deal.

25:29 When you read a book, you don't turn into a new chapter and then rip the old chapter out of the book and throw it in the trash. It stays in the book and it becomes a complete story. So this is another part of the narrative, a story arc of your life. But it doesn't go away. No, no, no, no, no, it's it. This is the hardest part is How do I you know still keep? Still I still want to be a part of what that was this is that this is really the hardest part I get it in fact Garrett said there's something you idolize you have to give up and it's probably that It's probably the old identity But there's a sense of if it wasn't just me The choice would be so much easier got it and so I'm Looking for encouragement to make this move A lot of people won't understand it, but I hope a lot of people will that's that's it But again, so there has to be a transition until I feel that that ship is sailing and and I'll still be involved in production in right because I'm good at it and and it and it's It's something that I enjoy doing and I almost first nature to you. Yes, and I do it I do it for this show I do it for myself. So but I feel it has to be And I continuously hear someone else can be successful doing this I hear that a lot like hey, maybe someone else needs to come in here.

27:00 It's not all like downhill It's like no this could actually be fantastic. That's you know, that's that's that's what I'm feeling So you you've moved into a new? new season of your life. You leveled up last year, so you're in year two of level six, right? Yeah. Yeah. So there you are, you're what, 61, correct? Yep. Okay. So there's something that happens even in the developmental psychology of every man, where you move from that place of, you're claiming your mountain, you're building your mountain, you're building your empire, all that. Something shifts dramatically around 58, 65, just depends on the individual. Where you shift from it's all about me to where now it's all about the next gen Yeah, it's called legacy thinking you move into legacy mentality and I think you're really there With no agenda and that's that's what you're feeling. Yeah, you're like, I know I need to still be a voice I mean, I'm kind of daddy. I mean, you know, yeah not just pod father You're you're what you're one of two founders. Yeah, so you'll always have that'll always be a part of you But yet you still need to you get to move forward, but now you get to help these guys Yeah, begin to build theirs and that's exciting. So you're gonna get to mentor coach. Yeah Disciple if you will. Yeah, these guys into their their season and I have had a real I've gotten a real kick out of setting them up for Thursday show and you know getting them

28:31 all you love doing the jingles and the sound effects and the whole and it's actually like I'm building interfaces for them, like, oh, this is going to be so cool, be so easy for them. If only I had this 10 years ago. So yeah, thank you. That's a good way of looking at it. Yes. So, man, I look forward to doing more of this too. Like maybe not just once a week, but maybe more than once. Because I think people need it. And now I'm going to make the smoothest of all transitions into into a couple of clips. It's like a record going errr. I don't know how to get out of it. Slam on the brakes. Speaking of AI. Right turn. Do you know who Reverend Walter Kim is? I don't. It's not ringing a bell. He is supposedly, he speaks for all, for the religious community. Oh. Well, it's always good to know I have a spokesperson that I didn't know about.

29:29 He is president of the National Association of Evangelicals. I did not elect him. I'm just saying. He's there. Disclaimer. But this is always what's interesting. And I figured that. I've never heard of this guy. No. But it's good that there's someone out there talking about faith and artificial intelligence. But this was such an interesting conversation because it took place on CNBC, the financial channel. Which I know why they brought them in because, you know, everything's in flux now. Are the Chinese going to win the AI race, which by itself is just, I mean, we never heard that China is going to win the Microsoft Office race. They're going to have a better spreadsheet before us. You know, you never heard that. So they're positioning this as like some moonshot.

30:16 Right. Like the moon landing. Who's going to land first? And by the way, let's just be honest. So we went to the moon. Let's just presume we went to the moon. Okay, I'm skeptical about the We might have actually flown around at this time. We went to the moon What what did we get out of it? I mean space travel satellites. Yeah, I'm there we went to the moon. It's a really bad video What was it what was the what was the the benefit to science that we went there or to our lives in directly? Psychological. Well, there you go. We won. We win. Well, exactly. So now we're in this place with technology where, well, we may not win. Meanwhile, nobody's making any money. I love Lindsey Graham, rest in peace.

31:04 Bernie Sanders, who's like, we need to have 50 % of all of these AI models should be part of the American public should get that money. I'm like, Bernie. they are burning hundreds of billions of dollars. We don't want to be responsible for that. Well, you know my opinion about AI and where it's at and what it can and what it can't do. But when I listen to the good Reverend Kim, there's some reasons for concern and I just wanted to play a couple clips so we can talk about it because we both use Robots, artificial intelligence is just a joke. It's a tool. It's a hammer. Because we know what the output we need is. It's not like we're exploring and we say, okay, give me the reason for the fall of the Roman Empire.

31:54 You know, every robot chatbot will give you an answer and it will be as correct as any other answer because there's not one reason why the Roman Empire fell. And that'll just be up to the training that I got. But some things that it can do in cross -referencing and researching where you know the outcome you want, I know the outcome I need, I can quality control that process until the thing does it and then it is literally a robot. It's doing what I need it to do to give me the result that I already know is the correct result for me. So it's a robot with a small r. Thank you. Robot with a small r. There you go. That's it. That's a t -shirt. That's a title.

32:37 Here's the intro to the Reverend Kim. Religious leaders are increasingly speaking out in warning against the dangers of artificial intelligence in a recent op -ed in the Wall Street Journal. Revered Walters, Kim argues that the speed of AI developments coming before guardrails can be put in place, writing, this technology permeating our lives in ways beyond our awareness, the risks of AI superintelligence run from economic upheaval to the concentration of power in the hands of whatever cooperation or government wins the AI technology race. Joining us right now is the president of the National Association of Evangelicals, Reverend Walter Kim. Reverend, help us understand where you think all this goes and what you think the sort of moral implications are. Yeah, thanks for having me on. You know, let me begin by saying there is tremendous potential in AI that's already being realized in virtually every sector of society, whether it's the optimization of medical care and its delivery, the diagnoses that are being improved, much less the actual treatments, education, and the optimization of workflows. I mean, on and on and on. There are positive benefits, but there are also extraordinary harms. whether it's the encouragement of children committing suicide, the disproportionate invasions of privacy, lack of transparency. So I think what we need to pursue is an approach that involves various sectors of society to provide guardrails, not a break

34:09 to innovation. by guardrails. And this can include national standards to disclose when AI -generated content is presented. It includes human oversight in all the high -stake decisions being made by AI, in healthcare and education, in the use of military force, and the development of a global independent audit agency to see if AI systems are in fact serving the common good. Okay. The Good Reverend is all over the map, has no idea what he's talking about. And what he's saying is more dangerous than anything. So first of all, there's a big difference between AI generated content and medical diagnoses. There's no real evidence that there's that any of this is happening or that there's no cure for cancer yet. The only thing he said that was correct was workflows, improved workflows. I think he's right there.

35:04 But then he confuses. chat bots. And I will remain that a chat bot is evil. It is because it tricks your brain into thinking you're talking to a human being. Yes, that needs to be that should be actually forbidden. But, you know, who am I to say? But when you talk about guardrails and blue ribbon committees, that's never ever, ever, ever going to work. So You know, this started off wrong for me, but then I think it's Joe Kern, and I like that guy a lot, by the way, the old curmudgeon on CNBC. He goes straight to the real crux of the matter. Reverend, big picture philosophically, is there a concern? And I'm not talking about maybe now or five years or 10 years, but this is incredible technology that... I don't want to call it almighty, but in 50 years, it probably borders on something that is almost, again, I don't want to say godlike, but we are headed to something that we've never experienced before.

36:09 And that's why there's even something called the singularity. We don't know what... Do you know what the singularity is? I don't. I've heard the term, but I don't know. So the singularity is a term, it's like a science fiction term, and I'm... I can't remember who coined it, but it's where... Man and machine meld and become one so if you have gotcha the idea is like The computer is reading your thoughts and executing things. It's you know, so Elon's talked about this Well, he has the he has the mind forget what is called the the probe stuff that you know connects to the computer But I already believe if you really look at it on its face Singularity is where we are melding with chatbots. I mean, so there's a There's a version of that happening already. I mean, we are already melded into our phones. It's just singularity somehow presumes that the interface is no longer air gapped. It's connected to you. It's within you. And I think most of these Silicon Valley guys, I believe many who are not believers, they would really like to see this to have eternal life. to live on, to be uploaded to the cloud and their being, their mind can be re -uploaded into a new being on earth. It's just a very sad way of them finding eternal life. Yeah, who wants to be trapped here?

37:32 Let's be real. Let's get honest. We'll continue. Societies around the world, there are plenty of societies that are secular at this point that have seemed to de -emphasize even the notion of a God or a supreme being. Do you think this even accelerates the move away from God and from religion? I think there's a tension here. It's both and. It's both accelerating movement away from God in the sense that there is a way in which this technology is serving the purposes that one might think of as God. Relationships, development of human relationships, the kind of asking for advice, wisdom that could be punched into a chat bot and then develop into a relationship that you might normally have with another human being or religious leader or community. And so, in some sense, the trust that people are putting in AI to transform all aspects of society, it is, as the Pope described in his recent encyclical, the construction of a Tower of Babel, the trust in a technology that reflects human hubris that not only disconnects us from God, but disconnects us from each other. That's well said. Yeah, well, how do you… Yeah, tell me about how you feel about the Tower of Babel comparison there. Yeah, I think that has never left humankind, that desire to excel, to rise up, to elevate themselves.

39:06 Of course, the first thing that comes to mind is the World Economic Forum, because I mentioned it earlier. They're pretty much dead now. It's off. That thing's kind of unraveled, but in its heyday, they were attracting some of the most Prolific thinkers and speakers on the planet and then they do these forums doesn't mean that they're right these know if I'm not No Noah Harari is a is not a good guy in my book I don't like same as a fear monger and agree and it gets you on the speaking circuit. Yeah So, that has never left humankind. We live in a fallen world. We will continue to be under the curse of the white witch, so to speak, if you're thinking of Aslan and, you know, C .S. Lewis, but we'll continue to live and dwell. We will never fully repair that here. You know, we're here to occupy until he returns or to be salt and light. But we only know that what salt does, it preserves whatever it touches, right? That's one of the greatest things. Long before refrigeration, salt was what saved lives and preserved food and whatnot. Well, same way we preserve society. We're the conscious of the state, so to speak, and all of that. So we're all part of that. But that doesn't mean that it will not wax worse towards the end if we are truly in the last of the last days and Some of the people I really value and appreciate are saying we're not just in the last days We're in the last of the last days because so much is happening right now the acceleration of learning

40:38 acceleration of Intelligence whether it's artificial or real all of these things are happening right in front of us. I mean even You buy a phone today, it's out of date tomorrow. Things are moving so fast. You get a hit song. Even in the church world, this bothers me. We sing a song and somebody goes, that was so last year. We sang hymns for hundreds of years. It didn't bat an eye, but all of a sudden, that song's old because it was from last year in 2025. It's just weird how we're being trained to expect bigger, better, more constantly because we're feeding our dopamine addictions. To me, it all feeds in together.

41:27 So this search and desire to rise up and to do it without God, that's the whole point. Godless. That's the whole point of Marxism, socialism, communism. It's we can excel, we can rise up, and we don't need God. And listening to you talk, that's very interesting because even Elon Musk, he's probably the biggest progenitor of fear about the future, which he categorizes, it's going to be great because you're not going to need a job. We'll have money for everybody and however that's going to work and the robots will be running the world, which is really a type of socialism. I don't think he even sees it and he's not a socialist. He's anti -socialist, but I don't think he sees it. It seems like there's only two ways that this artificial intelligence as a moniker can go is either it becomes a god or what? It's the biggest moneymaker. None of these things are happening. I have nothing but friends who are struggling in organizations.

42:37 because they're developers, sysadmins, and if they're honest about things, they can't get a job. Like, well, you know, so you're doing the interview, everything's great. And then, well, how do you feel about AI? Well, you know, I certainly am more efficient by using it, but it's not really, you know, you have to be careful, you got to have the human in the mix. Thank you for your time. you know, they want to hear someone say, oh yeah, you know, I'm a superhuman. I'm a hundred times the guy because I'm token maxing, you know, all these terms. And people who are in jobs every single day, an executive comes into their office and said, well, can't you just throw this in the AI and just get the answer? You know, here's this contract, you know, just let's just put this through AI and so we don't have to do all that work. And they're like, no, no, it's not.

43:29 magic. It doesn't do that. This is the evil part. The marketing that Silicon Valley companies have done for this category of product is just purely evil. They're either telling you that we're all going to, you know, this, we can't release this to the public because this could bring all the banks down and this would be the end of the world and we can't, the government has to step in to regulate it so we can always have a mode around us. You know, all of these things. And it is insanity. It is absolute insanity for something that really is quite a wonderful invention, large language models. It's a screwdriver. Yes, but they're taking the hammer and saying, if you don't believe me, this hammer is going to crush your skull. It's like, stop. You're right. The fear mongering is out of control. It's interesting.

44:29 We call it artificial intelligence. The word artificial means simulated. By definition. By definition. It's simulated intelligence. Let's call it what it is. It's not real intelligence. It's an amalgam of everything people throw on the internet, and it just scrapes. Did you look up the definition of intelligence? Not yet. Even the word is just such a misnomer. It isn't intelligent, at least by what I think the definition is, but you have it there for me. It has several related meanings, but general definitions, the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills, capacity to learn, reason, understand, solve problems.

45:14 Reason. Reason is where I draw the line. Reason and solve problems because those go hand in hand to me or make sound judgments. Yeah, no. The nuances of the human condition, the nuances of life and physics themselves just tells you that a machine will not be able to handle that. It is a great interface to other computing devices. So to be able to say, hey, hail hit my Starlink satellite receiver. What do I do? It can go out. It can find different results. It can score, because it's not reasoning. It's scoring based upon parameters. Comes back, tells you what to do. It usually would be pretty right, because that knowledge is out there. talking to it. Actually, I could not help myself. I wanted to go back and check some of my own programming as a child growing up with robots. And what was your earliest remembrance of a robot? Well, I mean it was from Lost in Space. I won. I got it. That's so funny.

46:41 That is my first understanding. But right away you hear Will Robinson saying, you go on the wrong way. And the robots go, roll with the punches. But this training is... I mean, I have a couple more clips. They're all pretty short, but I just got a plan because this is our programming from early, early on. But it sounds mysteriously and scarily like today. Why shouldn't I be in love? I am no different than anyone else. Do you think I am just an insensitive collection of computer -oriented nuts and bolts? I have a central turbo mechanism that feels just like any other robots. You have your family. Everyone has someone. Except me. I was all alone until I found her. I will never be lonely again. We can force you to operate.

47:29 You cannot force me to do something I know is wrong. With alien life forms, ours is not to reason why. Ours is but to do or become permanently deactivated. You cannot force me to do something that is wrong. These are the guardrails. The guardrails that everybody's talking about. What was that from? That's classic. It's all lost in space. Oh, okay. It's wonderful. All of these are lost in space. Because now, of course, you kind of hear the guy talking through the tin can. Totally. It doesn't always sound like... Well, he was the... Robot B9 is what he was. Robot B9. Here's the next one. Oh, here we go. You dare to question my ability... That's the evil Dr. Smith. It was great. You dare to question my ability, you scurrilous scatterbrain? I refuse to answer on the grounds that it might incriminate me. You can lead a robot to water, but you cannot make him compute. Easy! That's great. I love that show. I grew up on that show. But now, listen to this, because this is so true even today.

48:33 I am only the end result of those who programmed me. Now that may be true, but there's something more too. Something that doesn't make sense. You're more than a machine. You're our friend my computers are deeply affected This is what's happening today Wow, you know, I'm just Jared Lanier who is who I think he's the guy who coined Basically virtual reality was his vision and he's done a lot. You might have seen he's got dreadlocks I'm a big guy always dressed in black and you know kind of like wacky He says Anyone who's talking to a chat bot I'd like to open the box and show them what's inside and all you have to do is show them a picture of The engineers who put it together you probably will fall out of love very quickly You always have to think it that that lost in space clip is the one it's like I am only part of what put me in there and So that's knowledge literally scraped from the internet and there's good and dumb stuff on the internet and categorized and put into training processes by the people who did that. It's nothing more, nothing less. There is no human being in them. And this is, I don't know if we're ever going to get through to everybody because I just see it. And the more I, and I'm so disappointed

50:05 by the, by believers in general in the church sense of the word. Every conference you go to, there's AI. There's a chatbot. And I have heard faith leaders. I have heard big names in the radio and podcast world. I'm talking like huge names that you would recognize saying, this is so great. We can't wait to add this to our website, to our app, so people can explore God. You know, there's this line. And by the way, they'll say, it's spot on. Oh, it's spot on. Oh. Yeah, today, but what is exploring God if you just look for some scripture? I've caught it in tons of contradictions.

50:54 And then when you call it out, it'll apologize to you like it's a person. Oh. Yes. I'm sorry. My bad. That's on me. Honest answer. It's like, what? He's just trying to agree with you. But I've caught it. You know, I'm out. I'm a hearty, wind calls the heart. We're going through it for the second time right now. We're back to season 11 already. A lot of no agenda people watching this now. Tina and I got to give it another shot. They're my people. Got to give it another shot. But I do a lot of fact checking or I do a lot of what was going on in 1910. Did they have those kinds of cars? Did they have electricity in the Northern territories of Canada?

51:35 I ask all kinds of questions and it contradicts itself constantly. And I just, Annette goes, so she'll be on perplexity, I'm on chat GPT, and we'll compare answers. They can be wildly different apart from one another. But they present them as, this is the facts. So I did something. Oh, you did a thing, Pastor Jimmy did a thing. So while we were talking earlier, I did this, Sid. Are there any Bible verses? that can be applied to the potential dangers of using AI for spiritual counsel. I love asking it questions about itself. Oh, yes, that is fun, isn't it?

52:16 While the Bible obviously doesn't mention artificial intelligence, it says a great deal where we seek wisdom, whom we trust for spiritual guidance and the importance of godly counsel. These passages can be thoroughly applied to the use of AI in spiritual matters. James 1 .5, if any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God. who gives generously to all without. It actually did a really good job on this, but it's telling on itself. That's the funny thing. It can eat itself. You can prompt it to actually reveal its own flaws. It's interesting. It's interesting. it's not God, and it's not reasoning, and it's not spiritual. If it's spiritual, it's malevolently spiritual. It's nefariously spiritual because anything spiritual can be manipulated because it's so subjective in the way we perceive, receive, and understand things. I've been wrong before. Man, I thought I heard a word from God.

53:17 I acted on it. It's the dumbest thing I ever did. I mean, because I didn't really hear God. Was stepping out in faith I was trying something and it was it was a lab class experiment gone bad and so we're all gonna have misses and And that's part of the human experience right, but we learn from those misses I don't know if this learns from anything other than just scraping more content from the internet more data It learns outcomes, you know, but it's it's really the the corpus of a of a large language model is irrelevant, outdated, subjective to where it came from. Using it as a tool to do a search, to categorize a search, perfectly okay. Make sure it's actually searching. You have to say, don't get it from your own stuff. Search it online.

54:11 which is probably why Gemini is reasonably good. I love making fun pictures with it, no doubt about it. Enjoy it while it lasts because this stuff costs way too much for these companies, they're gonna start charging you. It's great for that. Please do not talk to it like a friend. And improving workflows. It has improved my life dramatically with workflows. So I can say, put together all the stuff that I've... put into this document, make it into a nice list so I can sit down with Pastor Jimmy and do the show in 15 minutes. Great workflow. It's just doing a job. And oh, by the way, it does it 10 times right. And then the 11th time, like, what happened?

54:51 You've had to go back and check it every time. Oh, that's on me. My bad. I'll own this. You're right. OK, fine. Wow. And we will be thanking some people who supported us. Beautiful. But before we get to that, I have one big one because tomorrow, there's going to be, actually, I'm sorry, today, Anthony Fauci, Dr. Fauci is going to be testifying, I think, before the Senate. And this is due to, well, obviously, there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of issues around COVID, how it was handled. His personal notes have been released to the public by Rand Paul.

55:33 I have two clips here that is just from, what is his name now? Because he was a big spokesperson during the pandemic, Scott Gottlieb. Now, Scott Gottlieb used to be the FDA commissioner. And he left the FDA, surprise, surprise to go be on the board of Pfizer. You know, this is the revolving door thing. So he's really a promoter of pharmaceutical products. And most people don't really like him for it. But I'm playing this not so much for the information, but more about when you hear, again, Joe Kernan from CNBC. I mean, the best stuff comes from there because they have to get some actual information and truth for financial investment. But you can hear Joe Kernan, sophisticated guy. on an NBC station, which would never have said any of these things before, questioning Anthony Fauci. And Gottlieb, of course, is going to kind of play interference and backpedal a bit. But then at least you'll get the overview of what's at play here. How about your buddy Fauci that I've asked you about in the past? You've defended him quite a bit.

56:47 Look, I mean, I don't know what you're referring to in terms of... I've asked about whether he orchestrated a cover -up of the lab origin because of his involvement in making gain -of -function research possible again in China, which he did. He knew that would come back to haunt him, and then basically told his colleagues... go with the natural origin. It was obvious three years ago, Scott, to me anyway, and everybody else that he orchestrated that. Yeah, look, we've talked about this in a show. I think the evidence in terms of whether this was human or naturally derived, I think the side of the ledger that speaks to this potentially coming out of the lab has grown over time. We haven't had any new evidence suggesting that this came out of the natural origin of spillover. The latest stuff that came out of him, didn't he know? that it was likely it was from the lab and go to great lengths to tell people to destroy emails? Well, look, and I've looked through the emails, some of them have been online. I think it's disappointing to see him trying to suppress alternative opinions, and that clearly was evidence from the emails.

57:55 I thought it was disappointing. Part of it that also disappointed me was how much he enjoyed the media associated with... uh... you know the event in his own appearances i think a lot of us went on immediately out of his sense of obligation was a hard time for all of us and it was a hard time for you i think a lot of us felt uh... obligation to inform the public and it wasn't particularly enjoyable i mean i got a lot of threats others did associate with that and so to see those emails where he is evidencing some pleasure in the notoriety that's disappointing it's not just uh... it's just outrageous okay so There's going to be a lot said about this testimony today. Rampal totally set him up with the diaries. I mean, he's literally like, look how cool I am. People think I'm a saint with the candles and the rosary beads.

58:48 So everyone has seen this. I'm so glad. Thank you, Jesus, for saving me. I'm a new believer. I'm a new man. I'm Adam 2 .0. So when this takes place, it's going to be natural human will and desire to say, hang him, hang him up. What do we do? How should we, because this is gonna be a conversation, everyone's gonna be, yeah, that guy, you know, we're all so mad. And I believe him to be pretty guilty of a lot of these things. How do we, what can we need? Help us pastor Jimmy.

59:28 How should we? Well, first of all, this is where we trust the system and it's hard to do that because we've had a lot of reasons not to trust the justice system But the fact that someone like him is not a trial. This is just a testimony So right this could lead to this could crack open some things. Of course. He has a pardon every time I've seen a Senate Oh, nothing happens. It's outrage, outrage, outrage. You did this and then nothing. That's a good point though, because we're going to be outraged over the fact that there's nothing happening from the outrage. So how do we deal with this as believers? Rarely do we see these. So as a believer, I have to step back. I'm going to have my flare up. I'm going to read or see or whatever. I was at the gym and they were flashing pieces of his journal up there. I was trying not to watch. There's like 80 TVs at Planet Fitness in Bernie, Texas.

1:00:24 You're surrounding you've got the view on one you got Fox right next to Wow I mean you fry your brain the whole spectrum Yeah, and they're all saying different things about the same things. It's hilarious It's so obvious when you put them all up to teach one each one up up to the other But I have to literally step back Amir Safardi who is an odd last name, but he is one of my favorite spokespersons coming out of the Jewish faith, Judaism, who's now Messianic. He's a Christian on fire for Jesus. And he literally says this, I just read this from him, and we support his ministry, by the way, it's called Behold Israel.

1:01:07 He said that, I'm done with media. I've pushed back from all kinds of media. And he said, I've decided I'm going to get my news from the scripture. And he said it this way. He said, while the world wants to know and waits for what's about to happen, he said, I'm waiting for who is about to happen. And I love the way he put that because he's like, okay, enough's enough. Push back from the table and say, stop the madness. I've watched enough of these Senate hearings. Everybody has. It's outrage, outrage, outrage. Everybody yells. Everybody gets a chance to kind of vent, you know, but nothing really tends to come of them other than just press. It's theater. And as a Christian, I need to push back from that. And, you know, I look at whatever happens. You and I have talked about this before. Somebody posts something harsh against you or me, and it happens all the time.

1:02:11 I've had more this week. And I just go, thank you for giving me your name. And now I have a target. I can now pray for you by name. But when this is the conversation at work, at the dinner table, I'm struggling with it as well. I'm angry about it. Do we have to forgive him? Yes. Oh, man. Ask how many times. Seven times seven times seventy -seven, seventy -seven. Infinite number. Infinite number. You know, if it was easy to be a true, authentic, God -fearing believer. Everybody would be it. Everybody would do it.

1:02:53 You know, I was thinking the other day, if people put, because this is how I came to God and to Jesus, is I looked at it as a conspiracy theory. I literally said that on Joe Rogan. I said, I've looked at all of them and I'd heard enough of this one, like, all right, let me take a look at this. And it only took two weeks. If everybody in America, but in the world, spent as much time as they do going down rabbit holes, and looking at conspiracy theories, if they just looked at Jesus, we would have a whole nation of believers because it's the same amount of work. Do your own research, people. Seriously, it's amazing what you will find. Put down your screens. Pick up your Bibles. Amen, brother. Amen. Come on.

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1:09:43 We need jingles for our domain name. We do. We need a bell. Today, I would have been bopping several times. You know you don't have a podcast until you have a bell. I need a bell. Today, I'm like, oh, that was bell -worthy. Valid point. So here it is. First Thessalonians 4 .13 and 14. Brothers. We do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep," that means pass away, or to grieve like the rest of men who have no hope. We believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him. There's the key, in Him. Now, in the next verse, he says, therefore, encourage each other with these words. So we don't grieve like the world grieves. We still grieve. I mean, you know, it's real. Jesus wept when Lazarus passed, even though not long afterwards. He knew that he could bring him and would bring him back. He knew what was going to happen. But yet the human side of Jesus, Son of Man, he wept. He wept over, but he also wept over the condition and what it impacted other people. And you've had that moment where you're reading these and just going, you know, it just gets to you. And that's beautiful. But I love what it says, we do not grieve like the rest of men who have no hope. That is what we have in Christ. You can take a lot of things away, but if you keep your hope, you can get

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