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Lara Logan 00:00:13 Welcome to Going Rogue with Lara Logan. It is my great pleasure to have a conversation with a man who has, some might say, Pokemon. Motorhead has Balls of Steel. He has not paid his taxes for 30 plus years, and in that time he has been teaching Americans how to follow his lead. He is the founder and president of the Freedom Law School. He is also a big supporter of independent media and a supporter of this show. Payment. We are so grateful to you because you are bold enough not just to go rogue with Lara Logan, but bold enough to take on the IRS, which strikes terror in the heart of many people right across this country. So you. You are unique. You have, you have to explain to our audience what the Freedom Law School is. People are very interested to know and understand how you have managed to pull this off. And you've never been to prison.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:01:18 Well, I'm an immigrant from Iran, came here to the greatest country on earth, America, in 1977 at age 14.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:01:30 and to my surprise, it wasn't as free as I saw and television movies in Westerns. And I went to university, too, in America. And I thought, America is such a prosperous country. Why is it not free like it was supposed to be in the Constitution? So I got involved Libertarian Party when I became an American citizen in 89. I heard about the income tax being voluntary for people of the 50 states. I went to a seminar and it was all there documented. I checked everything that I saw to make sure it is what it is. And I thought, well, there's the answer. Unfortunately, in America, we have a system where there's a lot of corruption, and this has been going on for many, many decades. And the American people are not represented by, you know, really both parties. I mean, sometimes Republicans are better, sometimes Democrats are better off. That's why I became a libertarian, a constitutionalist, whoever goes by the Constitution and Americans rights. Yes, I'm with them.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:02:45 And the problem is all the big, powerful moneyed interests. They buy off the politicians. And then they became a whores of these powerful moneyed interests. So the solution was we don't have to pay them taxes that we don't owe. We have more for ourselves because American people, the middle class, is sinking lower and lower over time.

Lara Logan 00:03:13 Yes.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:03:15 And at the same time, we can contribute more of the regular people's contributions to good people that represent the American people that believe in the Constitution to take our country back. So I thought, well, in America you have free speech. And while I couldn't criticize the king of Iran, the Shah of Iran, I could be jailed. I could be tortured for doing so. But I thought, well, in America, all you gotta do is talk to people about it. Open your mouth. So I just started talking to people, and then I arrest in 94 labeled me as a potential fraudulent tax protest promoter.

Lara Logan 00:04:05 That's great. That's quite the title. Potential fraudulent tax.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:04:11 Protest.

Lara Logan 00:04:12 Protest promoter.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:04:15 In 1994.

Lara Logan 00:04:17 You need that on your on your gravestone. That payment. Okay. So they labeled you as that, but they've never been able to. I mean, you've stayed on the right side of the law. So my original question still stands. How is it that you have not paid your taxes in 30 years and you've never been to prison?

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:04:38 Because there is no my or your federal income taxes to begin with. The law as written in the Internal Revenue Code, the Bible of the IRS. Over 10,000 pages of gobbledegook tissue thin, tiny font. It only applies income taxes to citizens and residents of Washington, D.C., and anybody with income or business inside Washington, D.C. none of the people of the 50 states. Yeah, like you and I. Okay, wait.

Lara Logan 00:05:18 Are you saying. Are you saying it's the Constitution that says we don't pay taxes, or it's the IRS code itself, or both?

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:05:26 It's a combination because we do not have an income tax in America until 1913, except years during the Civil War.

Lara Logan 00:05:33 That's right.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:05:34 So because the Constitution does not allow direct taxation of the American people by the federal government unless it's divided up or apportioned among the states. And that was that only in early 1800s, you know, And they stopped it altogether after civil war. And they started this whole slavery system by pretending that the 16th amendment of the Constitution gave Congress the power to directly tax the American people. When the Supreme Court said in the case of Boucher and Stanton versus Boston Mining Company. That did not give Congress any new taxing powers. But propaganda works. You repeat a lie again and again by the government and the media. People just go along with it. And that's what happened since 1913 gradually started. And by 1940s and World War two, when they started withholding the wages of the average employer employee. I'm sorry. Then the system became what it is today that people believe will require the income tax. I'm not qualified for income tax. Neither are you. No more payroll taxes. No more Social Security taxes, not even corporate taxes or estate taxes.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:07:01 But it's all by assumption of power on behalf of our public servants. And they know that I know the law. The DOJ has never even seriously given a thought to indicted me on a trial for the so-called crime of failing to file a tax return because they know there's no law. They know I know the law better than their attorneys. They know that I will win, so they rather leave me alone and hope American people never hear of Freedom Law School, which I created in 1996.

Lara Logan 00:07:37 Yes, you call Freedom Law School sort of the the most successful tax truth organization and the last one of its kind standing since the Second World War. That's a that's a long time and a big claim. How would you back that up?

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:07:53 It's just a fact. I mean, other people in 50, 6070s 80s tried to stand up to the IRS. They either went away on their own or the IRS put their lives in jail. But what I did was different. What I did was, as a young man, when I was, you know, 29.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:08:08 I stayed humble. I said, I'm going to find out why America is not a free country like it was supposed to be and used to be. And I learned from anybody out there who was teaching, and I learned how to go to a law library and look up the law, open up the right page and read it for myself and follow it. So it was by doing that that I learned from the mistakes of those people that came before me. And I learned also from their successes and build upon their successes, and have beaten the IRS in court many times. For example, Laura, I was under Criminal Investigation zero six. And the investigator issued a summons or order for production of records about the freedom events I did in hotel, and I sued the agent for the violation of the First Amendment rights of me and people that I tell them my seminar and I forced the government to retract that summons. No one has ever done that. That criminal agent summons. You cannot stop them. But I did, because they were violating our constitutional guaranteed rights.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:09:27 In the case I had. They assessed on me over $600,000 a tax in 2009. It took me two years to have these 13 years of taxes completely removed by the IRS appeals office and approved by the US Tax Court. All that is available on our website dot org for everybody to verify for themselves.

Lara Logan 00:09:52 This is just the crazy part payment because you've got on the one hand, you know, you have people all across this country, the vast majority of Americans really believing that they are obligated by law to pay their taxes. I'm one of them, I confess. Right. And and when I listen to you, I think, how crazy is it that when you challenge this and you go into the court, the court rules in your favor. Can you explain? I remember from talking to you before that, that the key thing here, one of the key things for people to be aware of is that unless you initiate the process or you respond to the IRS, you are covered by law. Is that right? Can you explain that better than me?

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:10:40 Well, first of all, the reason I've won and they have not been able to put me in jail if we're not paying taxes, is because I never owed them.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:10:48 You never owed them at all. It's all been lie. Like the Covid shot. That if you don't get the job, you will die and grandma will die getting Covid from you. It was all based upon lies. Just like the income tax. What happens, Laura, is that they deceive us. They've deceived accountant, CPAs and tax attorneys to sign 1040 income tax confession forms under oath, swearing that we owe the IRS money. You legally own nothing to the IRS until you are deceived to sign that confession from under oath. When you do that, you also put the rope around your neck and give it to the IRS because you can go to prison for three separate crimes up to nine years of prison for every ten for you sign and give it to the IRS under oath. If you don't do that, you owe us nothing automatically.

Lara Logan 00:11:51 So that confession you sign, is that your actual return?

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:11:56 That your turn is actually a confession. I see you're not taking anything for the government to return to them.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:12:02 That's a word that used to deceive you psychologically. That, oh, I must return what is owed to its giver. But the government never gave you anything to return to them in the first place, did they?

Lara Logan 00:12:15 No, no, no.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:12:17 But that word deception works like life saving, gender affirming care. I'm all for that. I believe in life saving and affirming that you're a woman. I'm a man. But what they're talking about is deception. About castration and mutilation of children.

Lara Logan 00:12:35 Yes. Medical, permanent medical mutilation of children.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:12:40 Right. Exactly. So this is they they they they they. If you don't assign a 1044 you the Irish nothing Irish by law must give you the opportunity to have a trial in U.S. Tax Court before they can go on to collect anything from you, period. They must send you a official tax proposal notice that gives you 90 days to challenge them in U.S. Tax Court. Yeah, and they cannot take nothing from you until you go through that process. That may take years and years.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:13:22 Of course, they don't do that because there's about 80 million Americans who do not sign 1040 income tax slavery forms.

Lara Logan 00:13:33 Okay.

Speaker 3 00:13:33 Wait wait wait wait.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:13:34 19.

Lara Logan 00:13:35 There's 80 million Americans that don't pay tax.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:13:39 That do not file a 1040 income tax. Slavery. Income tax form.

Lara Logan 00:13:46 And how many of them are students at Freedom Low School?

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:13:51 Only about just over a thousand. Well, depends what you mean by students. You have a membership. They have over 1000, but of influence and hundreds of thousands of people. To not follow a pay income tax. I mean, I don't know because I put it out for free. I mean, I put it out for free. You can stop being a slave. Stop buying and pay income tax. And 99 plus percent of the time, you will be left alone by the IRS. It's when you sign the ten for your form that you put up on yourself, and you end up getting in trouble with the IRS.

Lara Logan 00:14:30 Okay, so so what if I what does it mean to join freedom in law school? What do you do to help people if they want to, you know, make go down this road?

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:14:40 We have an optional program for people who think and want to act like America's Founding fathers.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:14:48 Will we pitch in, 30% of which we would have otherwise paid the IRS? Keep this 70% for ourselves, and then we guarantee that don't go to jail. We do illegal work. We pay the attorneys. And at the end, if the IRS checks anything from them out of our funds, will reimburse a person in full. So you have no risk whatsoever. But again, most people choose to do it on their own for free because it's available for free. All of that education and action at Freedom Law school.org.

Lara Logan 00:15:23 Okay, so one question for you. I'm thinking about all the things that all the times I get asked for my tax returns, right. So for people who want to buy a house or get a loan or, you know, sometimes cars, not so much. But you know what I'm saying? If you want to do any of these big transactions. The one thing the bank always asked for is up to date tax returns.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:15:47 That is because they want you to believe that's the only place you can go.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:15:51 There are independent home loan mortgage brokers that will give you a loan without a tax return. You can show them your bank deposits during the year, and they take that as your gross income. And based upon that, they give you a loan also. It's not a problem.

Lara Logan 00:16:08 And what if people come to Freedom Middle School and the IRS does come after them? Do you help them at all with their legal side of it?

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:16:16 Like I said, if they join our Restore Freedom plan. Yeah, all the legal work will be done by Freedom Law School. Attorneys are paid by us as necessary. So they'll have nothing to fear. Because even if we were to lose two years, ten years down the road and they take the money, 10,000 or 10 million out of our funds, We will reimburse them in full. So they have nothing to lose. Nobody has anything like that except for the whole school.

Lara Logan 00:16:49 Well, this is quite something. So, what about assets? You know, the IRS often threatens to seize people's assets.

Lara Logan 00:16:56 Have any of your students had their assets seized?

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:17:00 Nobody who has come to Moscow and stopped buying and paying came tax with me and stayed with me in law school.

Speaker 3 00:17:09 Yeah.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:17:10 I've ever gone to prison for not filing and pay income taxes, nor had their bank account and paycheck levied or home or property seized. I've done that this program now since 2001.

Lara Logan 00:17:25 So that's like 25 years.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:17:28 Yes.

Lara Logan 00:17:29 That's pretty amazing. I know that there's a lot of interest from people. They're really curious to know, you know, how they can do this, especially now when, you know people are so upset about how their tax dollars have been wasted, you know, the level of fraud, waste and abuse. You mentioned corruption right at the beginning of this conversation. Well, we've never seen corruption like we're seeing it now. Not. It's been there. We just haven't seen it. It hasn't been exposed.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:17:57 Well like you said it's becoming more obvious for people. And the fact of the matter is as you know food prices are up.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:18:04 Gas prices are up quite a bit. Up. Diesel is even more and it's going to get worse. And people their pay raises, wages and income of business are not keeping up with inflation. Okay. So and.

Speaker 3 00:18:17 It's been.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:18:17 Completely wasted. You know the audit of the Pentagon for example.

Speaker 3 00:18:21 Yeah.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:18:22 That came out just before nine over 11.

Speaker 3 00:18:24 Yeah.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:18:24 And Secretary Rumsfeld was on TV saying in 1990s there's over $2 trillion with a T, they could not account for where the money went. And that was in 1990s. Imagine now what Deutsch found about government waste and corruption is just the tip of the iceberg. There's a lot more out there. All these contractors of all sides, these guys get government money, and they do turn around with that money. They borrow off the politicians to give them more. And this system is getting worse over the decades and decades. All these congressmen are owned by these government contractors, powerful monied interests who are living off your hard earned money at slave and recycling the money back part of it to make sure that congressmen that they pay to get elected, continue to represent them, not you, the American people.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:19:28 So my solution has been for over 30 years. Stop giving them money.

Speaker 3 00:19:35 Yeah, we really.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:19:36 Do not. Oh, in the first place.

Lara Logan 00:19:39 Oh, it's a it's a really big deal. It's very unfair to American taxpayers to be rubbed blind the way they have been. And then for it to be cast as just a partisan political issue, as if it, you know, the bottom line is Americans of all persuasions. It doesn't matter their race or where they come from or how they vote. People don't want to be robbed blind. And that's what's happening. It's one thing if the money is going to the homeless people or going, you know, to a good cause, even a good cause abroad, but it's not. It's just being stolen from you. And I think, you know, one of the most powerful arguments against this payment that they use to scare people is to say, well, if you don't pay your taxes, if there's no internal revenue coming in, how on earth is the government going to fix the roads and you know, or do the other things pay for the police force and how will they fund the public schools? Like how will any of this get paid for? If you don't have taxes.

Speaker 3 00:20:39 By.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:20:40 A local taxes like property taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes, DMV taxes, they put the roads and schools and police and the courts, not the federal taxes. That goes to the DC empire. America is not a country. Really, it's 50 countries in a union, much like France and Germany are countries within a European Union. There are countries such as Florida, Texas and California. That's where the coral lockdowns were done. State by state. Country by country. My country is Florida. We have our own legislative governor and state supreme court, and they provide for taxes and services to take care of us. So we don't need this empire in DC to make us poor. Take the money that we could pay to our own local government and state to serve us directly, like better roads, better schools, okay, better police protection. You know, they just take it and waste it in D.C. and that process. I'm focusing on reversing it. How do we come back to the American people, you that it belongs in the first place? You can do whatever you want with it.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:22:07 And there's going to be more for local, county, city, state governments to provide the services that we need to do a better job as well.

Lara Logan 00:22:17 Yes. It's, it's definitely very frustrating for American people to see their tax dollars flying out the door because people work hard, you know? it's not easy. And they Americans don't take long holidays. Most of them, some Americans never go on vacation, never own their own car, and having to, you know, to pay your taxes, pay your accountant and navigate this complex system that seems to just work against the ordinary person all the time. That's quite something. Payment. just wondering, is this is this for you? Obviously you are. Am I right in saying that you operate within the law? That nothing that you're doing is illegal?

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:22:58 Absolutely. You know, everything we do is, number one, based upon the law on our website, the first of the seven steps we have is proof for the law that no law requires. 99% of Americans to pay income tax and payroll taxes are for $50,000.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:23:21 Reward for anybody that can show me I am wrong. I used to offer another. I still do $300,000 reward, and this law professor from George Washington University in D.C. charter collected, I refuted him. I offered him double if he were to be able to get a DOJ lawyer or a judge to make the claim against a reward. I never did, because they know. They know there's no law requiring us to be slaves. American people are not meant to be slaves, but they don't teach us about the law and our rights. That's why I started reading law school in 1996 to educate the American people about the Constitution, the law, and our rights. And we were not taught in high school. See, as I educated myself more and more and this is the solution. Education and enlightenment. That's what gets rid of the fear.

Speaker 3 00:24:28 When.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:24:28 They, through ignorance, make us afraid.

Speaker 3 00:24:30 Yeah.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:24:31 Now they can rob and save you all they want.

Speaker 3 00:24:34 Why do you do that?

Lara Logan 00:24:37 Why do you call it a school? Like, instead of, something else, you know? I mean, are you.

Lara Logan 00:24:44 Is teaching part of your whole service?

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:24:49 Yes, because I started in 1994 teaching classes in my living room in Orange County, California. And the people used to come, you know, nine weeks. Yeah. You know, one night a week for nine weeks. And I taught them about the law and the Constitution because I realized I was ignorant. So I checked my thought, my local patriots, freedom lovers, what I had learned. Those classes grew out. More of them are about other people do the classes. And I teach Americans. Folks, we are ignorant of our Constitution and our rights.

Speaker 3 00:25:25 Yes, we.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:25:25 Don't know the rules that we have for our public servants that our founding fathers gave us. We have to educate ourselves to be free. If a nation wants to be ignorant and free, they want something which never has or ever will be. Benjamin Franklin. That's why I did that. So I still do that by my classes rather than being on live. Now they're available for free on our website.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:25:53 Freedom law school, freedom law School for free. But now I'm doing even more. Now I'm helping Americans unite. Like the Founding Fathers did, robbing lone wolves alone. By being together, we're more powerful. And there's way too many of us. And too few of the IRS in the deep states.

Speaker 3 00:26:15 Yes, if.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:26:16 We wake up as whole people. The jig is up.

Lara Logan 00:26:21 Well, you know, with President Trump scaling back the massive addition of of eye of agents to the IRS right to act in their criminal division. I mean, I think people were just shocked. We didn't even know the IRS had agents like that. They looked like an FBI Swat team.

Speaker 3 00:26:40 Well.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:26:41 President Trump, one of the best things he did.

Speaker 3 00:26:44 Yeah.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:26:45 Was kind of the IRS big time, because IRS has been a huge decline since 2011, and now they're in even worse shape than ever were. There was a report came out in 2020 by the Treasury auditors that said that they gave you a list of 100 richest Americans who didn't pay income tax, and each all the IRS, about $100 million.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:27:15 Think about.

Speaker 3 00:27:16 That.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:27:16 $100 million and told the IRS leadership to go after them, collect the money, or put some of them in prison. I said no, thank you. When I do that, that's how broken, lazy, disorganized and dysfunctional the IRS was back in 2020. Now it is worse. In fact. Laura. Two thirds of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, one through paychecks away from being on the streets. And so many Americans have confessed to deception that they owe the Irish money on their previous 1040 forms. They call me payment. I didn't realize there was no law. I owe the IRS because I signed all these ten free confession forms every year, but I can't pay it. What do I do? I tell them.

Speaker 3 00:28:11 Stop.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:28:12 Just stop saying those 1040 confession forms. Go to our website, read them. Law school. And there's a page on there to stop income tax stealing, withholding by your company from your paycheck. Now, you don't need the file to get some of that money back at all.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:28:32 You get to have it all in your pocket to begin with.

Lara Logan 00:28:37 Amazing. So how do people find you if they want to learn more about this? It's a big step, obviously. You know. I mean, it's a lot for people to wrap their heads around it. and so I just wanted to I mean, obviously people can go to Freedom Law school.com or dot dot org. So they can go and find you and, and they can speak to you directly or one of the people working for you.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:29:03 One of the people that worked for me, I'm very busy. I got a I got staff for people. Okay. So there's no way, you know, I can take all calls myself.

Speaker 3 00:29:11 So they can call.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:29:12 Our office at 813444 4800. And I answer questions for free, you know, and every Tuesday night, I have a freedom hour, a Presentation at 7 p.m. eastern. I answer questions people myself for free. They can call as well.

Lara Logan 00:29:28 That's great. Okay, so people can go to your website that can also give you a call.

Lara Logan 00:29:33 if you just and that's just for a consultation. Right. Which is free.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:29:38 Bacon. Well paid consultations are separate those costs. But I want to help as many people as possible. Laura that is why every Tuesday night I get on there, do a presentation and answer people's questions. Also because people have been deceived. Yes. To be afraid of their public servants. They forgot that these people are in government, the IRS. They work for you. Yeah. You are the boss. That's right. Act like a boss. But to do that, you got to be knowledgeable as the boss.

Lara Logan 00:30:09 Yeah.

Peymon Mottahedeh 00:30:10 So that's why educated people. The classes are for free. Our website. There's seven steps to free yourself of the IRS. Deception, fear, Robbery and slavery. The first five steps are absolutely free. You could do it all on your own for free at Freedom Law School. Or if they want the option of the Founding Fathers, you hang together to restore freedom. The Restore Free plan is also available with 100% guarantee that we provide for our members.

Lara Logan 00:30:42 Amazing. That's really interesting. So okay. I encourage everyone if you are interested in this. If you want to learn more about it, you can get hold of payment company freedom law school. and you can speak to one of his associates there. Find out exactly where you stand. There's no pressure. it's completely free to figure it out. Payment. thank you for being. You know, it takes a special kind of courage to go against the grain the way that you have. And and right now, you know, a lot of people don't trust the IRS. They figured out that the Federal Reserve is neither federal nor does it have any reserves. And, you know, it goes on and on and on. It used to be a time where just saying this about the, about the IRS could get you in all kinds of hot water, right. So it takes it really does take a lot of moral courage. And I appreciate you, you know, like in the show and, and being there for us, that means a lot.

Lara Logan 00:31:41 And I hope and encourage people to find out. Figure out what payment is talking about. And, and of course, if you're bold enough to go rogue with patent payment method, then thank you so much for joining us. like share, subscribe. Get this out to as many people as you can. And, of course. Thank you, as always, for being bold enough to go rogue with Lara Logan.