The Secret of Park City Utah - SUMMER! | Mulligans

0:00 Hey, everybody, Happy Friday, It's Josh Kart. Next week, my interview with Adam Young drops on Tuesday, but for now, listen to this week's Mulligan's episode, The Secret of Park City, Utah with Bobby Toronzo. Golf Smarter Premium number five hundred and three, published on August twenty five, twenty fifteen. The Big Secret of Park City, Utah Summer with Bobby Trunzou of Park Meadows Country Club. This is Golf Smarter Premium. Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast. Bobby. Hey Fred, how are you. I'm fine? How are you? I'm doing great. Thanks. I know how busy your time is, and I really appreciate you making some time to talk to me today.

0:42 No problem. I'm having a wonderful time here in Park City. It's the first time I've ever been here. I've been here almost a week. We leave tomorrow actually, and I am just blown away. First of all, the beauty is remarkable, and the secret that I found is that it's summertime is a great time to be here. This is a this is a winter destination. Yeah, it's the best that the summer is kind of the best kept secret about Park City. That's that's what we've found for sure. But how long is the golf season here? This past year we opened up in the middle of March, which is the earliest opening in Park Meadows Country Club history. Generally speaking, it's from May to mid October. Like I said, this year, we opened up a little bit earlier, and we'll play golf until the weather dictates that we close.

1:30 And basically that means it's snowing. Correct, Correct. There is there a lot of golf opportunities here in Park City. There are there are a few private clubs here. You know, you have Glen Wilde, Victory Ranch, Promontory to Hay, but none are quite centralized in town like Park Meadows is. And it's got a very active membership, our social membership. It's very easy for the members to find a game, and it's got a great membership. Yeah, give me a little history about Park Meadows Park Medals. It opened in nineteen eighty three. When it first opened, it was a public golf course used to host the Franklin Templeton Shootout, which was a senior PGA event, and the likes of Jack Nicholas, Arnold Palmer Lee Trevino used to walk these grounds, which is pretty cool. It became private over ten years ago, just over ten years ago, and I started here five years ago, so I haven't I haven't seen the Senior Tour be around since I've been here, but I've heard great things about when it.

2:36 Was here and who is the architect of this course? This is a Jack Nicholas design, it is. Yeah, it's actually a Jack Nicholas signature design, meaning it's one of his first few clubs that he did. So it's very traditional layout, park style, very player friendly. There's just over one hundred bunkers, so it's not like the new traditional Jack Nicholas course that's really it can be a little more difficult, tricked out a little bit with you know, elevation change and some crazy bunkering. It's it's a very playable golf course. Was there a major change in I don't know if you're a student of Jack Nichol's design, but was there a major change in his development of designing golf courses.

3:20 Definitely, like I said, his signature golf courses or which you know, the first one hundred to two hundred that he did, definitely have more of a traditional layout and feel to him as time is dictated as the golf you know, as you know golf has become more popular. He's you know, I've worked at several Nicholas courses in Clinging Desert Mountain in Scottsdale, which has six Jack Nicholas golf courses, all of which are very different desert golf courses, but much more difficult than you know, Park Meadows is interesting. What do you see is a big difference between desert versus here up in the highlands. We're up at over seven thousand feet right. Correct, Yeah, obviously the ball flies farther, which.

4:02 Is I'll get to that, But I meant like, what's the difference in his design being down to the desert versus his design up here? And no, I think he's a great architect. I think he takes the lay of the land and doesn't try to He lets the lay of the land dictate what he designs. Park Metals being the location that it is, you know, sent you know, pretty local club in town club with the mountains surrounding as views. He just kept it fairly simple as far as the design, with the thought process of being player friendly and letting the views be more of the you know, the highlight versus you know, elevation change and bunkering and raised greens and things like that. So so when we go if we're traveling around and we're going to a course we've not played before, and it says that it's a Jack Nicholas design, what are the things that we know that we're going to be getting involved with as far as playability, bunkering, you know, the deception that he creates in in par threes, you know, putting.

4:59 Jack Nicholas's owned for designing golf course Jack Nicoll. Nicholas was a left or right player who was a fighter of the golf ball. Generally, his designs follow suit. As time has come, you know, as we've gotten into the this day and age, he's become you know, changing that up a little bit. But as you'll see today when you play Park Medals, is just pretty straightforward, not too tricked out, and very well manicured. Is there are a lot of back to Park City golf. You talked about the private clubs that are here. Is there a lot of public courses to play when you're here as well? Because obviously the listeners can't when they come to Park City. They can't give you a call and say, hey, I heard you on the podcast. Can I play golf there? Sorry, no, you can't.

5:46 Right, there is a Park City Municipal course. It's that's just what it's called, Park City Municipal recent club that's been added to the public courses in Park City is the Canyons Golf Course. I haven't a chance to play yet, but good things. But in the surrounding area. The public golf in Utah is very strong, some really good quality courses in the surrounding area, but in Park City proper, just the two Park City and the Canyons. Have you played the MUNI? I have quite a bit. It's fun, you know. It's a little more crowded, and obviously being one of the only public courses, there's a lot of demand for that with the tourism in Park City. But it's a good golf course. I like it.

6:28 I played nine holes. Like what I've been doing since I've been here. I would get up early in the morning and go to the driving range and hit one hundred balls or something because I'm working on some new swing things, so I wanted to just it was a great opportunity to do this daily which I don't get to do is go to the driving range daily. And I ended up playing nine holes just before the rain hit a couple of days ago, and I was kind of blown away on two things. First of all, I played nine holes, rented a car, hit a bucket of balls, and it cost me less than twenty five dollars. That was amazing, right, But it really was one of the prettier munis I've ever seen. Yeah, it's very scenic, and again that's just Park City. I mean it's hard to go anywhere in Park City and not notice the surroundings, the mountains, how green it is.

7:14 You know, you can you can just get in your car and drive anywhere in Park City and you're going to see, you know, some great scenery. And you know, obviously a golf course is no better place than being on a golf course to do that. Yeah. Yeah, but but it definitely is the kind of course there that you needed some local knowledge. I was lucky though. I was playing with these guys that knew the course, and a couple of times they forgot to tell me there was water there, so I lost my ball. Sure, but I mean that was those are my big mistakes is like not knowing there was water there and I hid it. Yeah, it's got it's got some tricky things to it if you haven't played it too much. Yeah, whereas you know Park Meadows, I mean it's it's right in front of you. There's there's really no trickery to it. What you see is what you get pretty much.

8:00 And the elevation here, so and you're even higher here at Park Meadows. Correct in Park City? How much higher are you are? We are about a thousand feet higher. We're seven thousand feet here, and that does a lot to your golf ball. Yeah, let's talk about that, does it really? Yeah, it's a good club club and a half different. You know, for example, I came from Scottsdale, Arizona, and there's a big difference here. You know, it's dry heat sure, yeah right, it's still one hundred and ten, but seven thousand feet the climate's great. There's generally a cool breeze here. You know, it's kind of traditionally a little breezy in Park City, I found. But seven thousand feet, you know you're pitching wedge. If you hit a pitching wedge, for example, at sea level, you know, one hundred and thirty yards or one hundred and twenty yards up here, it's you know, ten to fifteen yards farther up here, no question about it. Okay, So it takes a little adjusting in your golf game, you know, if you live here, getting used to hitting your club's far other than if you live somewhere else in the wintertime, for example. Yeah.

9:03 Yeah, And what about the winds? How much of impact do the winds come into play here? Yeah, I mean it's generally like as as I said, it's generally you know, fairly breezy. Park Meadows is kind of an open air meadow golf course. It's there's really no nothing surrounding it that can block the wind. So the wind, the wind can't pick up. And that's the defense of park Park Meadows. It can play as easy as you want to, depending on the tea you play, but if you get out there, you know, in a ten twenty mile an hour wind, it changes the dynamic of the golf course completely and just makes it tougher like it would anywhere. But it goes from being kind of a you know, a fun fair fairly playable and you know, not overly challenging tests to very difficult golf course in the wind.

9:47 One of the things on the website that kind of jumped out at me is talked about it being a Scottish Links at seven thousand feet correct. Yeah, Like I said, it's it's very It's pretty flat, with the exception of the eleventh and twelfth hole. There's some elevation there, but it does have a very lynxy feel. Most every green out here gives you the option to run the ball up onto the green versus fly it to the pin. There's some unique bunkering, but every green gives you opportunity to run the ball up, which is a traditional Link style. Yeah, but if you fly it to the green, is it going to hit and then just roll off? It depends. The greens here this year have been in my five years, they're the best they've ever been. They're consistently running on the stepman or anywhere from eleven to thirteen, which is you know, tour average is twelve twelve point five.

10:34 That's pretty fast, which you know, again, they're fairly flat, with the exception of a few greens, so they're very fair. But they can be they can be firm, which is for this membership, which is a little bit older of a membership. They need to be able to run the ball in. They're not hitting it as high, which is being a links course, it plays, you know, plays right into that And. Does that also mean by being a links course that you've rarely going to have the ball level with your feet. You have a lot of you know, uphill and downhill. There's very little elevation change here, but it does have kind of a rolling feel to it more times than not. Though you have a nice, fairly flat lie, very rarely will you find yourself on a severe downhill uphill lie unless you've hit it off line into the rough, which has some some bunkering and some movement to it.

11:23 I come from northern California where we're having a huge water issue rure. Now we are still in the Western US. What's happening here as far as your water shortage and how you're dealing with it. We've been We've been fortunate here at the here in Park City. You know, obviously we have a perfect climate for growing grass. And this past May was the wettest you know, we had a lot of rain in May. It was the wettest May in the history of Park City. Wow, which really tied us up this summer for great golf conditions. And we've had our summer storms, our typical summer storms in June and July, and the golf course has never been in better shape. For superintendent, our superintendent John Hayes, does you know some some great things to maintain this facility and you know the water. If you were to step out and go look at the golf course, you you'd you'd think it's as great it couldn't be any greener.

12:15 Wow. Well, I'm excited. Yeah, I can't wait to get out there. Recently though, if I understand correctly, Park Meadows Country Club has have new management is correct. We have recently partnered and are now being managed by stein Erickson Lodge. It's been a great partnership. It's been going on for the past few months here and so far, so good. It's been. It's been a real asset to partner up with such a high qualities UH management company five star, the only five star hotel management company in Utah, and we're really enjoying it. The members are seeing a lot of upgrades and quality, you know, upgrades and service, upgrading food and beverage, and it's just been a great, great situation for the members and the staff so far.

13:06 Oh that's great. And stein Erickson is not the same property that the lodge is, correct. It's off site. It's it's up and up and you know, up in near der Valley Ski Resort. But you know, it's like I said, you know, Park Meadows Country Club is centralized club versus some of the Park City clubs that are out on the outskirts of town. So it's it's a ten minute drive at most from here and. Stein Erikson Lodge. Again, it's completely associated with winter sports, in winter activities. Correct. Well now well now they have of course to partner up with so it's a it's twofold for them. Again. When I first moved here five years ago, it was clear to me that people were here and moving to Park City for the snow and what you know, people call the best snow, the best powder in the United States, the.

13:54 Greatest snow on earth the license plate. Yeah. But as I've quickly learned, even just myself, that the summers are you know some some you know some very active mountain biking, hiking, running, fishing, and obviously the golf is second to none. And for stein Erickson to be able to offer. You know, step out of the hotel and you're on the ski resort, you're on the ski slopes at Deer Valley, or if you're here in the summer, drive down the hill five to ten minutes and you're playing golf at Park Meadows. It's a great partnership. Yeah, congratulations, we're excited. Well, and you're still here. I'm still here, so that's good. They kept you. Congratulations. Give me a little bit about your history. You talked about Arizona a bit, but how did you get to here? What was your path?

14:41 Fascinated my wife and I who My wife does the buying and the merchandising and the golf shop here. We've been here together with our seven year old daughter for five years. We moved here. Just prior to being in Park City and Park Meadows Country Club, we were at the Rim Golf Club in Pacing Areas as the director of golf, which is the Rim Club in Payson is about an hour and a half northeast of Phoenix, and we spent we spent three years there until this job came open and we couldn't turn it down. Prior to being at the the Rim Club. I spent you know, multiple years at the Astance Club in Scottsdale, which is a top one hundred private club. Spent three years at Desert Mountain, and also three years at Forest Highlands and Flagstaff, Arizona.

15:29 So my my career path has been to be a head professional at a top private club, obviously in a good geographical area that's good for family and raising a family and enjoying life, you know, outside of being a golf pro in Park City and Park Meadows. Have I have offered that to a team. Well, yeah, there's so much golf all year round in Scottsdale, Arizona and Phoenix and the whole in flags Have Well, flag Staff doesn't get year round golf. No, flag Staff is like city. Yeah, it's it's snowed, they ski and it snows there. But you know, it's a two hour drive up the hill from Scottsdale. So pretty popular place for Phoenix Scottsdale residents, right.

16:11 Right, And how's quality of life for you now with a little kid? Sure, you know daughter, And how does the quality of life Park City work for you? You're in Utah, buddy. Yeah, it was a little bit of an adjustment coming to Utah. We had we had never been here other than maybe flying through Salt Lake. But when I first came to Park City, you know, you, I had this impression that I was going to fly into Salt Lake and it was going to be this this big trek through this major canyon, and it's going to be a long way to go. It turns out it's twenty five to thirty minutes from from door to door airport to to Park City, and it's it's really really seamless. Quality of life in Park City a second to none. I mean, it's a very healthy, active community. There's a lot of.

16:57 Kids, young families, young families. It's been great for us. It's great, so quality of life couldn't be better. We really love it here. I was so surprised how quickly we got to Park City. When we left the Salt Lake Airport, I was like, wait, I thought I was gonna be driving for like an hour hour and a half. Yeah, that's exactly what I thought too. It's kind of boom boom, you just kind of you get on the freeway, so you're at the canyon. You know, obviously in the winter time, depending on the weather, but they do a great job of maintaining the roads. It's I haven't had a problem getting around Park City at all. Well, so what do you do as a golf professional here in the off season when it's snowing.

17:37 Well, obviously when it gets to November, December and the holiday season. Being the head professional Park Medals affords me to spend some time and travel with family. But at the same time, you know, we keep the golf shop open a few days a week throughout the winter. We have an indoor golf simulator, indoor full Swing. It's called full Swing Golf, really advanced, high tech indoor simulator that our members lessons and utilize. If the snow's good, you don't see people around who are too much using it. But if the snow's not too good for some reason, on a particular day, we usually fill that up. People will come hit some balls or take a lesson and just so that they're keeping keeping their golf games fresh, and I do the same with mine. Okay, aws, your game these days, it's really good, really good.

18:19 I was fortunate enough a week ago to have my fourth hole in one. Oh wow, congratulations, thank you. It was here at Park Medals and whole number four, So it just kind of came out of nowhere. But well, they always do, don't they they do, they do. It was exciting though it was I was playing with some of my staff and. Oh, you get to do it in front of your staff, So you know that's the key. You don't want to be alone when you get your hole in one, and you don't want to do it on an elevated t because then you don't know when any right, No. This happened on whole number four. It's pretty difficult two hundred and ten yard part three, and we all saw it kind of hit the middle of the green and just kind of rolled in like a putt, and we saw it from start to finish. Fourth hole in one. I mean, I've talked. I've talked to a lot of instructors who've been playing for their whole lives and still have yet to get one.

19:03 Yeah, it's you know, I don't know, there's a lot of luck involved. And the last two I had were in Arizona at my last club and my first one when I was fifteen years old and Davis, California, were playing with my dad, And you know that's even better. Exciting you in front of your dad. Yep, so yep, number four. Okay, So what's the secret. The secret is stop trying to make hold ones and just play golf, and you know, try to put your ball in the right place. And if you're thinking about hitting a hole in one all the time, it's never going to happen. So you know, these tour players, you know, they're they're trying to make a score and you're just trying to do the best you can on any given hole. And if you hit a good shot and it happens that the break goes your way, it's just there's definitely some luck involved. It's a pretty small cup to hit that little ball into.

19:48 I interviewed an instructor who wrote a book and one of his chapters was how to get a hole in one? Yeah, and exactly. That was my reaction to, what did you say to do? And I'm like, wait a minute, you really wrote a chat after on how to get it? He goes, oh, absolutely. I said, well, how can you honestly tell people? He goes, Just focus on the bottom of the cup, just just you know, it's about confidence, is all golf is. Just focus on the bottom of the cup and you can do it. I'm like, yeah, right, sure. Three days later after we published the show, I got an email from a listener going I listened to the show, I went out, I got my first hole in once. It's like, yeah, I got one email. Wisha was not easy exactly exactly I wanted to Obviously number four is going to be your favorite hole here, but I wanted to talk a little bit more about some of the holes pick some of the favorite holes here. But I needed to ask you about now that the stein Erickson management team has taken over here, has that impacted you in a positive way? As far as you know, you always get nervous when new management comes in. Budgets going to start getting slashed and things are going to get cut, and you know, maybe sometimes you get lucky and you can get some new equipment going. And sure, how has that helped you?

21:02 You know, golf course wise, as far as the actual maintain the golf course. The golf course is in fantastic shape. Like I said, so, John Haynes's a budget line. John Haynes are superintendent. As long as he keeps doing what he's doing, you know, I can only see stein Erickson given affording him every opportunity to provide him the resources to keep doing you know what he needs, whether it be staff or a new a new mower, something like that. For me in the golf shop, same thing. Sure, there was some uncertainty about coming into a new management group. There always is, I think in any merger. But this, like I said before, it's been seamless. It's been nothing but positives for both the staff and the membership. And they're just elevating the service and the quality of the food and and and every and all aspects of the club from the golf course to the to the dining, to the to the golf shop.

21:51 And this is a pretty high end club. It is not. It is. It's a it's a private club that there's a diverse membership with a lot of a lot of our members live and have second homes in Arizona or Vegas, California, even some in New York and they travel out here. But we also have people that live here and work five days a week in Salt Lake and they live in Park City, or they live in Salt Lake and they drive up the hill to play golf. Wow. So wow, all right, let's talk about this golf course for a couple of minutes that we have left. What let's I want to get some playing advice from you? Sure, since I'm gonna go out here, let's we talked about how you know you're going to get more yardage than I'm that I'm used to playing at sea level. Let's pick your favorite Well, I'll go, I'll throw the softball YouTube of your favorite part three?

22:45 Well, favorite part three today? This whole number four, because I just had a whole in one there. It's a it's a long, you know, two hundred and ten yard part four with a water on the left, and generally it's kind of an one of the more exposed holes on the golf course. There's usually some win kind of coming through there. But all the part threes here are fantastic. Between four seven is a good par three, but honestly, number twelve is the most scenic spot on the golf course. It's a downhill par three. It's about depending on which tea you're playing, it can be one hundred and fifty to two hundred and ten yards and it's a great view of Park City Mountain Resort. These distances you're giving me here from the back teas, I'm sure the two ten is good because that's not where I'm playing from now.

23:30 That's a nice thing. That's another nice thing about Park Meadows is there's a tea for everybody. So you know, one of the big initiatives in PGA and play it forward USGA these days is grow the game and play it forward. So more and more members are enjoying themselves playing you know, a tee up versus what they played maybe in the last ten years, five to ten years. They're just seeing better scores and just enjoying the game better. And you know, as I alluded to earlier, Park Meadows is now of golf courses that that is going to beat you up. And if you put yourself on the property, like I said, whole twelve is a fantastic eleven, twelve and thirteen is the is the best stretch of holes that I've ever played. You got some you got a unique part four with the split fairway and eleven.

24:17 I wanted to ask. I was looking at the flyover videos and and uh, you have a video on they're talking about specifically about that hole. Yeah, who whole number eleven. The whole number eleven is a split fairway. You can you can challenge the right side with the driver, but that brings them out of bounds into play, or you can hit a fairway wood or hybrid down the left side, and it's it's you know, twenty thirty wide yard fairway playing it, playing a space to drive it and play, and you know for whatever player you know, handicapped level you are. And then you get to hold twelve, which is downhill par three that has a kind of a tricky green and again you're an exposed area with some wind generally, so picking a club that can be very difficult. What do you advise, Well, you know, whatever the t you're playing, Suppose you're playing one hundred and sixty yard te I take ten yards off of that because it's downhill. And then depending on the wind, if it's down I take a little less club.

25:14 If the wind's into me, I'll generally just offset that wind with the with the elevation. Okay, so that's how I pick a club. But again a lot of times it's, you know, it's kind of a hit and hope type of thing because you don't know what the ball is going to do in the wind and coming down that hill. And then there's thirteen Part four, very link style, whole native high grass on both sides with some unique bunkering and a great, you know, kidney shaped green left to right, not a very deep green that's perched up a little bit and well bunkered. One of the best holes on the golf course by far. That's your favorite. Part four thirteen is definitely my favorite Part four. There are a lot of chances to lose balls here, I mean, people when you.

25:57 Have to hit it off line to lose a ball here. We do have a few water holes that can eat up a ball fairly easy, two or three water holes, but overall, you'd really have to hit it offline to lose a ball, depending on the time of the year, you know, early in the summer, just after those rains and June and July. Of the native grass to the side of the rough and fairway, we're very lush and thick, and if you did hit it, you know, way offline, you could get in there and have a hard time finding a ball. But generally it's pretty hard to lose a ball here. Good I didn't bring that many because only couple. Hopefully hopefully you only need You're only gonna need one. Hopefully, I'll have another one in my pocket always. I actually have asked about that. I had a teacher once tell me about you know, I said, oh, I always keep you know, two balls with me, one might pocket and the one I'm playing. And he goes, oh, no, I tell my students, never do that. Always have just one ball. Why give yourself the option that you're going to lose the ball.

26:53 I agree with that. Just stick with the one. You don't want to have that mentality that you're what if I lose this? What if you want to be thinking I'm not losing this. Okay, Yeah, positive thinking. I tell them about your favorite part five. Favorite part five, definitely, I would say, is whole seventeen. It's coming towards the end of the round. Obviously it's fairly reachable, very reachable Par five, especially for the longer hitters. To forge you the ability to hit an iron into that green. But again, there's some water and there's some very unique bunkering that starts about sixty yards from the green that should you miss a shot, you'll definitely be penalized. However, if you do hit two good shots, you should be walking away with a birdie, no.

27:34 Question, but a risk reward. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, and playing it safe, trying to you know. Yeah, it's a very fair fairway. It's a very wide fairway, one of the biggest fairways at the club to hit. It's a nice way to kind of get some momentum coming into eighteen, which is a long, tough part four, to maybe sneak into one last BIRDI before you finish the. Round, long part four and eighteen. Good finishing hold, yeah, good, yeah, very good finishing hole. Long, tough, big green, and you know there's some out of bounds on both sides of the fairway. So of the holes that you've talked about so far, you got eleven, twelve, thirteen, four to seven, eighteen, the one they talk about on on the website that was voted as one of the best holes in a reader's polls number fifteen fifteen.

28:25 Yes, I miss fifteen, but I'll bring it up. That hole. I happen to like it. I think a lot of the longer hitters are the lower handicapped players have a different perspective of that hole. But for the higher handicappers, which is most of our membership here, there's a creek that runs throughout the entire hole out of bounds left, out of bounds right, So there's kind of danger around every corner. And just when you think you hit two good shots down to get to the green, now you have to hit over the water to a very small green, and depending on where the pin is, it can be one of the toughest shots that Park Metals throws at you. So it's kind of from start to finish it it has water, it has out of bounds all the way, and you add a little wind to that. It can be very difficult. But you know, for the longer hitters, they can reach that green in two and maybe make a birdy possibly an eagle.

29:16 Are most of the greens here you want to just fire at the center of the green and get it on there, or you advise there are some holes that just like go after the pin. Obviously placement's going. To be Yeah, I think I think overall center. You know, if you can get the ball in the middle of the green here, you can shoot a good score here. It gives you a good chance, no matter where the pin is, to at least make a two put. Again, you know, depending on what kind of club you're hitting into the green, I would let that dictate your aggressiveness. If you're able to get a wedge of nine iron or eight iron. It is the kind of golf course that you can go green light at the pin. But if you're hitting your hype. You know, if you're not hitting your driver well and you're hitting longer clubs into the green again, I'd be running it up to try to get it on. Just get it on the green or the middle of the green for sure.

29:59 Awesome. All right, we're gonna we're gonna wrap this up fairly quickly and then I'm gonna make some announcements and get a tip from you. We'll go outside and shoot a little video as well. Sounds a tip, but I would like to get from you if you can remember this, you can think back, not as an instructor, but as a golfer. What's the best piece of advice you've ever received about being a golfer? Or maybe from another teacher. No, I think the best piece of advice I've got regarding the game of golf was from a from a former pro that I work for in Arizona. And that's that's to not take the game too seriously and enjoy it and have fun. And I will never forget. He told me that, you know, when you're when you're playing golf, you gotta you gotta care, but just not too much.

30:47 And that stuck with me from from the moment I heard that, because you think about it, you got everybody wants to play good and everybody wants to hit good shots. But if you if you let that overwhelm you with your your four hours on the golf course, it can be rather draining and you you lose that, You lose the the idea of camaraderie and who you're playing with and the scenery and what the game is all about is getting outdoors and enjoying, you know, and just enjoying yourself and letting go. Yeah. Yeah. One of the instructors that we've had on frequently got named Jim Waldron out of Oregon and Hawaii. He said, the key to putting, the two keys to putting are confidence and positive indifference. I like it, and so it kind of falls into don't take it seriously positive a difference. It's like, what think about it for a minute and it makes total sense. All right. Now, tell me the best advice you've ever received as an instructor, The.

31:42 Best advice as that I've ever received as instructor, or. If it's too tough, let's make it the best piece of advice as an instructor that you like to give for this guy kind. Of falls back into what I just alluded to there, is that, you know, I try to keep my teaching simple, you know, as far as mechanics and the basics of the game and not get too technical. And again try to you know, because a lot of these people that want to take lessons, they have this hardcore desire to hone the skill and perfect it, and that can be very taxing on your enjoyment of the game. You know, you still have to be able to walk away from the lesson te So I try to keep it simple and tell my students to have fun with it, to when they finish a lesson, to do some work and to work on it, but go out in the evenings in the mornings and just you play your golf and enjoy it. You know, the best advice I could give is is enjoy the people you're around and just have fun doing it.

32:42 Now, we're going to take Bobby outside to the putting green and get a tip from him on how to keep your putting stroke consistent to get better distance control. All right, now, let's go out to the practice putting groom with Bobby Trounso, head golf professional with Park Meadows Country Club and get a tip on how to better control our lag futting distance. Obviously, having a good line and making it in the hole is important, but if your speed is off, you'll never have a chance. THEIKDA good maintaining good speed in the pighting green is having a backswing that's the same length as the follow through. We don't want to get a stroke that has a backswing this far or follow through here, or vice versa. A short backswing and a big follow through that leads to really inconsistent speed on the green. The reason being is if you have a backswing that's too long and a follow through that's too long, or vice versa, your speed will never be consistent and you'll find yourself three or four putting most of the time.

33:35 I'll hit one here as a demonstration. Again, Nikeda good lag putting or speed putting, especially when you're outside ten, ten twelve feet you're just trying to get the ball close. Nikey to speed is maintaining a pendulum type stroke that has the same amount of backswing as followed through