March 24, 2026

Ben Hogan's Secret Letter and The Lost Fundamental Short Game with Tony Manzoni (RIP)

Ben Hogan's Secret Letter and The Lost Fundamental Short Game with Tony Manzoni (RIP)
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GS#'s 438 & 439: May 28, 2014 Tony Manzoni, one of the most sought after coaches on the GolfSmarter podcast shares his life long pursuit of Ben Hogan’s secret to his golf swing. Years ago Tony received a letter written in Hogan’s hand that explains his secret to becoming a great ball striker.  This is the complete hour-long conversation that also covers a detailed discussion on the short game swing and how it differs from the full swing that is discussed in The Lost Fundamental. He also responds to letters asking how the full Lost Fundamental swing is affected by the short game swing.Tony’s book "The Lost Fundamental: One Simple Move, Better Golf Forever", is available on Amazon in paperback or Kindle format. His video, originally a DVD, is only available through our website.  This is combined two episodes in one as it was difficult to schedule podcasts in advance “in the old days”!

If you have a question about whether or not Fred is using any of the methods, equipment or apps we’ve discussed, or if you’d like to share a comment about what you’ve heard in this or any other episode, please write because Fred will get back to you. Either write to golfsmarterpodcast@gmail.com or click on the Hey Fred button, at golfsmarter.com

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Hey, this is Fred Green of Golf Smarter with our

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seventh installment of spring Back into Golf season with the

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late Tony Manzoni. This episode was published in twenty fourteen

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and podcasting still really hadn't caught on yet, so there

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wasn't a lot of competition between distributors at the time

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or know how to work the system. I'm pretty sure

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that was before I could schedule an episode to publish

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while I was on vacation. Now I can make sure

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that you never miss a week without a new episode,

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even when I'm away. So this episode was two weeks

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with Tony in one show episodes four hundred and thirty

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eight and four hundred thirty nine. So we packed a

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lot of information and a lot of topics into one

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long show, and it's a long one. It's over an

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hour now. Tony's book The Lost Fundamental is available on Amazon,

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and his DVD, which we converted to a private link online,

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is also available when you write to me. And for

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the most comprehensive information ever collected about Tony Manzoni, please

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go to Golfsmarter dot com. If you'd like to access

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that video, please write to me directly. Golf Smarter Podcast

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at gmail dot com, or click on the Heyfred button

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when you visit golfsmarter dot com.

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For members only. Golf Smarter numbers four hundred thirty eight

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and four hundred thirty nine. Published on May twenty seven,

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twenty fourteen. This is two weeks where the episode's delivered

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it once. It's an hour long conversation, but luckily it's

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a podcast and you can listen as much or as

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little as you want. Starting right now, Ben Hogan's Secret

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Letter and The Loss Fundamental Short Game with Tony Manzoni.

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This is Golf Smarter. Welcome back to the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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Tony, Hey, great to be back, Fred.

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It's great to talk to you. Have you been well.

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I had a little bit of a mishap. It's kind

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of funny in a way. I broke three bones of

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my right foot ankle by falling from a hill, hit

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a wet spot and slid downhill and body weight went

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forward and right leg didn't want to go forward and

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it snapped like a twig. So it's been a little setback,

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but other than that, life is really good. My golf

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team did well again. We won the twenty seventh Conference

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championship in a row, which is kind of crazy. Each year,

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I just shake my head. I don't know why it

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keeps happening, but it does.

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Do you recruit these kids? Are they find you? I mean,

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you keep winning and winning.

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Yeah, we get them from all over. This year we

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had a bunch of boys out of the country and

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some of them, yeah, some were really good players. And

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they're all coming back next year. But I always say

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to them, how did you find the College of the

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Desert from Belgium? But they go on the website and

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if you look at the website, you know our record

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really is really is sensational. And then the area that

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we'll end is such a beautiful area for golf. We

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go over one hundred golf courses, great weather, it's spring

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when we compete. We have a wonderful drive range on

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the facility. I'm a PGA member. I like to hope

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that part of them coming is my coaching, and the

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whole package is good for young person that really wants

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to get into golf in a serious way.

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So yeah, guess details, Yeah, more details about the school

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where it is and so people can Yeah.

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The name of the school is College of the Desert,

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it's in Palm Desert, California. It's a population of about

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ten thousand students. We have been rebuilding the college, built

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all kinds of new buildings and campus is fabulous. Of course,

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the weather in Palm desertgard to Cochello Valley is second

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to none, and especially in springtime. So it's just a

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marvelous place to come to. Uh. You know, we have

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a lot of we have the Coachella Fest and all

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kinds of activities for young people, but it's just a

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great place to live. I'm very lucky I left the

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Bay Area and you know, we we all know this

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is one of the greatest citas all all time, if

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not the greatest. Yeah, I do miss it, believe me.

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But but for me and golf and what I had

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wanted to accomplish, this is probably the best place I

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could have come to.

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M Well, congratulations, you guys have just owned it. And uh,

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I think it's more of a testimony to to your teaching.

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But even I hope it's part of it. For sure.

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I have I do have a formula that I use

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every year and it seems to be working out. And

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you know, the kids nowadays, you don't really have to

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teach much. When it comes to the apple, the movement

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of the swing, they're all pretty up to date, you know,

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they're all into rotation and connection and so forth. So

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it's not a hard sell. It's not like it was,

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let's say, fifteen years ago, where everybody was, you know,

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more of a hands and arm swinger opposed to body swinger.

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So that parts are really good.

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Well. And we've also had tremendous success. Your book and

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the video actually the only place that really available on

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golf Smarter. And it's amazing to me what a phenomenal

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response you've received from the golf Smarter community.

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It is amazing because you know, I'm you know, seriously,

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I'm a no name. I'm just a golf professional, although

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I think that i'm a pretty good teacher. And when

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we did the book, when we did the book, I

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did it kind of a friend and family and hoping

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that some people in golfing community would like it and

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accept it. And I must say that I'm pleasantly surprised.

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Thanks to your sight too, you have such a great

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group of people that are on your site all the time,

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so that's been a big plus for me, and I

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enjoyed a small success, so people out of the country

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by it, which is always kind of cool.

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And all over the world.

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It's crazy.

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It's crazy. Well, let's talk about the book and what

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you cover and what your method is, because it's very effective.

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It is a quick history. About fifteen twenty years ago.

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I had NFL walk in my office and tell me,

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would you like a copy of a letter that Ben

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Hogan wrote by explaining how to hit the driver? And

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also he has a film that was private film that

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he had taken and known I had actually seen him

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be home and swing, and you know, I almost jumped

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on his lap. So I read. The first thing I

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did is I read the letter, and the first thing

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I noticed was that Hogan stated, but on the top

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of the back swing, he has his weight shifts shifts

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to the instep of his left foot. And when I

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read it, I thought, well, I think he means the

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instep of his right foot, because that's what all traditional

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think he was. And then I went on to read

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the letter and that was really informative, and a lot

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of stick figure pictures and so forth. And then I

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watched the film, you know, and it was very obvious

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that he was staying on his left side. Throughout the backswing,

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it looked like he set up a little bit like

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side say sixty forty, and I think when you really

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center your head to the golf ball, you must be

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a little bit more on the left side of the

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right side. I noticed that his right the right hip

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was aligned on the inside of his right foot, so

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that was his right side. And I just noticed that

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when he's slung, he rotated his shoulders around his pine

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and the shoulders really were more level than his earlier swings.

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And the film that I had was after the accident,

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and that's really when he said, I'm going to start

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playing off the left side. And the funny thing about

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that statement the left side, A lot of people say that,

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but they don't know what it means. It certainly isn't

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stack and tilt. A lot of people will say, oh,

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you teach sack untilt, and I don't. And I'm not

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speaking against stack and tilt. I just believe that the

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shoulders really don't tilt on the down swing. I believe

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they turn based on the way they were set up

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at the ball, because when they tilt, it really steepens

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the swing and the down swing and it also the

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hands must finish, must higher, and the body ends up

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in kind of what we used to call a seat position.

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And people that do that on a lot, you know,

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do that a lot end up with lower back problems,

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as did most of the people from the era that

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I played in. So I believe in turning more level,

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as Hogan says, to turn the level left and posting

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up so that when you when you finish, your body

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is really more erect and your weight is really on

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the left side, and you're not your body isn't tilted back. Uh.

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So when I got all this information, I started applying

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it to some of the people that I taught, elderly

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people who their first complaint was I want to hit

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it farther. That seemed to be the number one chant

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that I got from everyone that I said, Well, what

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would you like to do in the golfing? I want

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to hit it farther. So I started working with this,

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and Holy mackerel, uh. Because I had them more on

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the left side, I can get them onto the total

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left side. I get them through the golf ball much

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easier than when they transferred their weight right and then

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back to the left. And I readily saw that there

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was a rationale for doing this. This wasn't a band aid,

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but this was really the way he did. And then

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going back into filming, you know, I saw the Palmers

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and the Nicholas's and all the greats. They had long careers,

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their head was very steady. They had did not move

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to the right in the back sleet. So little by

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little I started really buying into this. Then I got

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a call from al Geiberger, who is a resident here,

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and of course I'm a very famous golfer, mister fifteen nine.

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We call him and al said, you know, when I

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read your article in a golf magazine, local magazine, I

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thought you had flipped your wig, he said, but I

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started doing it with a fellow that was reversing his

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weight shift all the time. And he said it worked

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like a charm. I got him from falling back to

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the right side and he is now finishing and hitting

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the ball. You know, really really great. And then I

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started to tak creating. Now think about this, al Geiberger

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Lawyers having one of the great gosspems of all time.

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And he said, because of my age, I can't get

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to that left side like I used to. And he

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said it works like a charm. So that was the

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kind of the catalyst in the history of how I

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really bought into this, because I had to buy into

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it just like everybody else I was taught. You know,

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shift you away to the take your shirt them and

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shift your way to the right leg and then shift

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back to the left. And you know, there's a big

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timing element there because you've got to make a little

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lateral slide and then rotate. And this eliminates that lateral

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side slide. So then everyone that I taught, so you know,

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you need to write this in some kind of a

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book for him so other people can see it. And

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you know, they were rubbing my elbow pretty hard there.

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I'm the elbow, I mean, my ego pretty hard there.

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So I thought, well, what the heck, why not do that?

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So I wrote that little bit arioto, small little book,

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as you know, but I think it's concise. And I

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have done this now since today I got that letter.

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I have been continuous. I have never stopped doing this.

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And I can tell you that I have never had

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anyone say I can't do it this way, I can't

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hit it this way. I think this is wrong. Not

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one and I would tell you even if there was one,

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I would tell you it's never happened. And I've had

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a lot of guests, by the way, come from your

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side your site, that came into town to take a

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lesson from me, and I must say that I got

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love letters from them after.

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M I've received those letters as well. I've had people

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in the golf Smarter community right to me from all

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over the United States and even outside I'm pretty sure,

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who have come to Palm Desert in the Palm Springs

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area in southern California to take lessons with you and

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were just just so happy of the results.

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It really has been astounding, and you can only thank

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mister Hogan because he was really the one that I

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think there was other players that played off the left

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side for sure in this era, and subsequently some that

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did it after. I mean Lee Trevino, on a conversation

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I had with him, said to me, I've seen a

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lot of guys that had great, long careers that played

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off the left side, but I've never seen anyone that

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had a long career that played off the right side.

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And I didn't understand what he was saying, and of course,

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like most people, I was embarrassed to say, what do

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you mean by that? But then after I got into this,

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I certainly understood what he was talking about, and no

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true statement can be made. The thing I love about

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it is that I get women that have started to

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play golf later in years and also men, and they've

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taken a couple of lessons they and I say, well,

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you know, you're really finishing your sway it. My protone

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is shift my weight, but I just can't do it.

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And I explained to that, I said, the reason you

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can't is because your body's in the wrong position. At

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the top of the E're in a place where there's

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no way, no place to go but the hit off

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of the right foot. Throw your arms at the ball

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and just hope that your hands square instead of roll

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over and closer, are stay open. And that's why a

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lot of people, you know, they slice the ball and

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then they pull a ball and now they don't know

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where to go. And it's just primarily because they've put

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the responsibility of scoring the clubt with the hands and arms,

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and that is tenulous at best. When you do this system,

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you set up to the ball and you create your

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triangle your arms and you set to the golf ball.

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You rotate your right shoulder behind your neck, so there's

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no movement to the right. What you're doing is displacing

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your weight behind your spine, and in doing that, the

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right hip and right shoulder go behind you, and you

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actually add a little bit more weight to the left side.

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The right arm folds into its throat position simultaneously as

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a right shoulder turns, so it's a real simple move.

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You're not trying to take it back low or do

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all these things that we've been talked about are cockterist here.

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Don't talk to rists here. You just take that try

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and go back with the rotation of your right side

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behind you and let the right arm fold naturally, and

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that sets the club and it's in your throw position.

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Because everybody's in a little different position. If I give

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you a baseball, say throw thread, you might throw it

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from a little different position above your shoulder or below

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your shoulder than I would, and we're all subject to that.

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So it's ludicrous to tell someone I don't say that

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you have to put the club here, because here it

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doesn't exist. It's depending on their anatomy. And then the

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next part of it is I don't get involved with

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where the club is at the top in the sense

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of is my wrist flat or is my wrist cup

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the natural hinging of the risk occurrent. Some people it

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flattens a little bit, some people it stays cupped. It

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really matters is word's impact. And I find that, you know,

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Halging cupped his wrists like crazy, but it impacts his

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risks were flat, And I think that's really not a

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part of manipulation of the hands. I think that's part

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of getting the left side out of the way, keeping

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the left arm connected across the chest. And let me

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say this, no matter who you are, if you're right

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handed golfer, when you take the club back, your left

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arm goes across your chest. So that's not some trickery.

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That's the only way you can move. And when that

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left arm goes across the chest, it connects. It connects

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on top of the pectoral muscle of your left side

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of your chest. That's that's where true connection is. So

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when you take that club back, the right arm folds,

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that left arm is stretched across the chest. Where that chest,

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where that left arm is is setting, is where it

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must stay. On the first move of the That's why

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a lot of people used to put a headcover under

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their arm pit or a handkerchief, and that was to

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keep that left arm from coming down immediately in the downswing.

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Because once you do that, you are now subject to

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what your arms can do. You've left your body behind.

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So all this stuff about dropping the hands first, I mean,

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I'm not saying that you can't do that, but for

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the average person, they drop their hands first, they're going

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to just pull their arms down and they're going to

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either hit it behind the ball or hit it fin

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and if they're lucky, they're going to hit it in

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the air. But they're not going to hit it with

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any force because they're only using their arms. They have

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eliminated their core. Or when you take the club back

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correctly across the chest and then you wrote you start

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a rotational movement, or as you're doing the opposite of

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what you do on the backsley, you turned on a

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single axis, which is your left side, and then you

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rotate around that axis and that arm stays there. Eventually

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their right arm straight is the club hits the ball.

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And then as you rotate to the left, and you

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must have a club follows you back to the left

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and the left un fold. It's just like the right

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armfold on the right side. So it's a really simple

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It's a simple, simple move. And I have people that

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come to me that are, you know, ones and two handicaps,

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thirty handicaps, and they always say, what do I have

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to worry about this? Don't I have to worry about it?

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I said, no, you're hitting the ball great, aren't you. Yeah,

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I says, golf is like every other sports. There's a

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domino effect. You you make the correct move here, a

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bunch of good moves happen, you get in the wrong position.

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I don't care who you are, you're going to have

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a tough time with the game.

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I get frequent questions from listeners asking me about the

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book and the DVD that you have offered and want

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to know your response. Which is better for them to

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I always say, just buy both. But when somebody wants to,

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when somebody wants to study more of the Lost Fundamental

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which the name of the book and the DVD which

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are both available, and our golfer smart goolf smarter dot com,

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tell me the difference from your perspective of what those

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two have to offer.

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Well, I think that we all learn differently. Some people

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like to see it and some people can when they

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read it, they can see it. You know, I personally

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love the book because I can go back and I

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can put in the yellow marks where I well, I

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think it's important. I think because I forget myself. Believe me.

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You know, there's a science to this, and even in

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a simplicity, the sequence has to be correct. And when

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I hit a ball fan or fat, I know that

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I first of all didn't get past the ball. And

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that's one of the one of the things that I

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hear all the time. Stay behind the ball, Stay behind

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the ball. There's no sport that I know where you

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don't move through impact when you throw a punch, when

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you hit a tennis ball. You have baseball, there's a

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movement forward. Now it isn't a straight line movement, but

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there's a movement past the ball. For sure. You got

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to end up on your left side, so you're rotating

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around that axis. But pass the ball. You want your

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right shoulder and right hip to go past the golf ball.

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You don't want to keep it behind. And that's again

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what I see on the drive range all the time.

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You see people end up with their swinging still back

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on the right right foot. And there's a couple of

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guys on tour that I won't mention that if they

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understood this and got over a little bit and address

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on the left side, they wouldn't be hitting off that

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right side and all of a sudden hit it a

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fairway left or fairly right, which they still continue to do.

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And these are unbelievable golfers that have so much talent

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and do it every day. Think about the average guy,

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our gal. They don't put that much time and they

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don't have the physical attributes that these people have, so

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how the heck are they to go play the game.

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And that's why the score has primarily stayed the same

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for men and women. With all this technology, new ball,

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all this stuff, his course is still really, really high.

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I've always had a wrist hinge issue with my left hand.

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I'm right handed, but my wrist is hinged. I'm just

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starting to get it under control here, but I've always

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found that what the impact it had on me was

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that my club face would be open at impact. And

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so the.

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Ball most people roll, yeah, most people roll, or it

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comes with the right hand grab. They roll the club open. Okay.

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Now that's a compensation that has to be dealt with

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on the dolls wing. So you got to roll the

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club closed. And who can roll it open and close

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it and get it right back to where they started

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as they're moving. It's seventy eighty miles an hour with

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a club club that speak. I mean, it's just it's

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all silly to think you can. So most people that

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roll it open and then close it hook the ball.

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In fact, that that's how a lot of people when

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they want to look the ball of fan it and

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then close it and they'll get a little drawer or

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close it coick to make it go on corner. The

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correct way I believe is that when you when you

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hold the close in your hands, your right your left

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wrist should be bent and your right wrist should be flat. Okay,

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And what you want to do is you want to

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move that position at least past your right leg in

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the backswing, and you move it with the turning of

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your shoulders which swings the arms back. Now, if you

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do that, if you do that, if you can get

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past that and just let the natural occurrence happen. What

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will happen is that the right wrist will go back

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a little bit and fold down like you're holding plates.

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Depind on how much how much flexibility you have on

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there is, and the left wrist will flatten a bit.

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It may it may only hinge like you're hinging a

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club towards your nose up and down. May hinge, or

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it may flatten a little bit. And then again it

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depends on the way you have your hands on the club,

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flexibility of versts and so forth. Remember the backswing, it's

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just it's just the point where you're changing directions. So

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it's not you take the club up to a spot

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and stop and start. That's just you know. It also

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is a continuous move. But to start the club back,

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you need to start back slow. It has to have

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a rhythm, but it has to be slow because if

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you start fast, two things occur. You're going to grab

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it with the right hand and you're going to pull

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it right wrist back. You're going to bring that club

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back to the inside too soon. That's number one and

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number two. When you have a fast back swing, you're

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always going to have a short backswing. Those two go together.

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So if you want to hit it a long ways,

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you have to have a why swing, and you have

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to have take time. As I tell people, if you're

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going to shoot an arrow with a bowl, you got

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to pull that bowl all the way back. There's a

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time period to do that. So you see people with

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these real short, fast swings. They hit it nowhere. And

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that's the majority of people are playing because they're not

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sure what they want to do, so they get quick,

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they get it over with.

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How would you advise someone to change their tempo and

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be conscious of it. I have a friend that I've

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been playing with. I've have a friend that I've been

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playing with for years that stands over the ball for

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almost forty seconds. He just stares at the ball and

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then all of a sudden, if you blinked, you miss

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the entire swing. It is so fast, and he can't

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understand why he doesn't get better, and it's like, dude,

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slow down.

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Well, yeah, first of all, he needs to he needs

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to have a pre shot routine. Whe starts from behind

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the ball and then he goes to the golf but

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looks at the target, looks back at the ball, and

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as he's doing that, he's aligning himself and calming himself down.

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And then to start the temple. A good A good

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way to start the temples. Start with like your right

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knee kind of a kick in. It just kicks kind

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of in like a forward press. But you really want

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your body to set the temple. You don't want your

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hands and arms to set the temple because they'll get

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out of position immediately. These they'll get they'll get across you,

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and your chest has moved. And now when your chest

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turns and your shoulders turned, your club's going to go

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00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:28.839
way inside. So the sequence has to be a more

468
00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:30.880
one piece. Now, you know, I don't mind if the

469
00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:34.119
club hit moves a little early, a little first, but

470
00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:37.119
I like to feel as if I set the temple

471
00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:39.599
with the sternal of my chest. Some people like to

472
00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:42.359
set the temple with their shoulders, but for God's sakes,

473
00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:44.880
you can't set the temple with your hands because you'll

474
00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:47.559
start slow and then you'll quick you'll you know, yank

475
00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:51.000
it back because you'll it just doesn't feel right. You've

476
00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:53.839
got to do this like you're winding up your body

477
00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:56.920
and not just taking your arms back. And that's the

478
00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:59.519
I think that's a good thought. Is that a slow

479
00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:02.200
wind of the body so that you can really get coiled,

480
00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:06.359
and now you've got some room to create momentum on

481
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:06.960
the down slid.

482
00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:11.000
How do you create the tempo or set the tempo

483
00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:12.640
from your sternum?

484
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:16.839
Well, I think about I think about my chest turning. Okay,

485
00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:19.279
So I just think the center of my chest. So

486
00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:24.079
I connect my arms and so my arm. Imagine that

487
00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:26.920
my chest is a picture and my two arms are

488
00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:29.519
a frame of that picture. I try to keep that

489
00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:33.519
picture the chest between those two arms, okay, And so

490
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:38.000
I focus on that picture, and I'm using this analogy

491
00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:41.519
because it's my picture. You know, other people might use

492
00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:44.279
their nose. I don't know, but I use that, and

493
00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:46.559
so I try to keep that picture inside that frame

494
00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:50.240
as I turn. So in doing so, I'm taking the

495
00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:54.359
address position and I'm moving it to the right of me.

496
00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:57.759
And then of course they're the right arm poles and

497
00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:02.079
puts club in my throat position. But that's my process

498
00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:05.480
because I've always been fast. I've been a Lanny Watkins

499
00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:09.839
kind of backswing. And you know, if you have the

500
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:12.039
challenge at landing Watkins, you can get away with it.

501
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:15.319
But I certainly don't, and most people don't. So what happens, serily,

502
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:17.759
you pull that baby aside too much.

503
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:21.440
You mentioned about putting the club head cover under your

504
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:24.759
arm made me think about I don't know if he's

505
00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:26.640
a disciple of yours, but I know he's a fan

506
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:31.039
of yours. And that's Martin Chuck of Tour Striker out

507
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:34.359
of Arizona. He's been on the show multiple times and

508
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:37.400
he developed the Tour Striker Club and now he has

509
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:40.519
a new product that this little inflatable ball that you

510
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:43.759
can either deflate it and put under your arms, or

511
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:47.039
when you inflate it, you hold it between your arms

512
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:52.440
so that they stay connected, right, And he talks about

513
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:56.000
he's been on the show multiple times, and he talks

514
00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:58.839
about you and your methods.

515
00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:02.960
Well, you know, Martin, it's really funny. I was a

516
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.079
member of I was giving an honorary membership at a

517
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:08.480
club that Martin was an end proat here in the desert,

518
00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:12.359
and you know, I always try to stay away out

519
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:13.880
of the way of the pro shop and all that,

520
00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:16.640
because I found a little guilty. I was paying any duds,

521
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:19.200
I was paying any membership fees. So I was always

522
00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:22.240
the back of the arrangement I played. And this happened

523
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:23.799
late in my life. You know, I saw I wasn't

524
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:26.720
a great player or anything. Martin and I liked Martin

525
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:29.119
very much, really a gentleman, a really nice young guy.

526
00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:32.559
But at that time we didn't really get social because

527
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:34.640
I always, like I said, I always felt like, I

528
00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:36.119
hope he doesn't think I'm going to be trying to

529
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:38.160
give lessons out here, or I'm after his job or

530
00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:40.279
anything like that, because a want of pros feel that way.

531
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:43.519
Martin has. It turned out didn't have that kind of

532
00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:47.000
thought in his mind. But one day he asked her

533
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:49.519
if I would play in a junior senior event with him,

534
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.440
and I said sure, but part of me said, oh, man,

535
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:55.160
I don't want to shoot eighty because, like I say,

536
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:58.640
this is end of my golf career. So we com

537
00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:01.759
paired with two of the best player in Southern California.

538
00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:03.640
One guy's going on the tour, one guy just got

539
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:07.559
off the senior tour. That was there's team against us.

540
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:11.200
We started the first one, we tied them, but they

541
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:13.759
had blasted their balls out there fifty yards past both

542
00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:17.480
of us, and then we had started. It was a

543
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:20.440
shot to the event. We started on the ninth hole

544
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:25.240
and then it was like a crazy thing. I made

545
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:29.440
a birdie and ten and eleven, Part twelve, Birdy thirteen,

546
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:34.640
Part fourteen had a whole in one in fifteen Birdy sixteen. Yeah,

547
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:36.880
and I shot like twenty nine or twenty eight on

548
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:40.279
the back. Then, Oh, I said, what are you doing

549
00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:45.119
out here? Martin? Somebody should put up a plaque right

550
00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:49.559
now because a miracles occurring. Well, anyway, long story short,

551
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:53.759
I think I shot one under on the back and

552
00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:56.680
Martin shot two or three under on the on the

553
00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.920
other side, I should say, and we win the tournament going.

554
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:02.400
I mean, it was just it wasn't even a contest.

555
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:06.400
The two guys were playing with the looks on their faces.

556
00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:09.200
Was at wish I had that picture because of this

557
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:12.519
classic as they figured, you know, especially on the first

558
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:15.160
roll of the droll it out there about three ten

559
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.640
each and we're out there about two sixty. You know, well,

560
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:20.599
we're going to get rid of these guys real quick.

561
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:23.640
Is to turn off. We love the tournaments, so, you know,

562
00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:27.359
Martin and I we've laughed about that that tournament and

563
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:30.279
the only time we ever played together. Okay, and we've

564
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:33.119
never really talked about the golf swing, but I watch

565
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:38.160
revolutionary golf every now and then, and Martin's on there, yeah,

566
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:43.039
and are on your site, and we talked the same language.

567
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:46.920
We believe it the same thing. And as ironic as

568
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:49.960
this is is I had to see Martin for years.

569
00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:53.519
I went to Lake Tahoe last summer with my gal

570
00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:56.480
and one of my clients golong to a golf course

571
00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:00.000
up there, and when I walk in Gus Jones, who

572
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:02.039
I know very well from the desert as an anttro

573
00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:04.759
and Martin Jeff is a teaching prone I just about

574
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:07.200
fell over. So we had a big laugh over there.

575
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.480
But he's a great guy, really, a very very fine golfer.

576
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.720
I mean, and you know, if you want to watch

577
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:16.640
one of the golf singers, look at what he's doing

578
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:19.759
and that tour striker and that he created his genius.

579
00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:21.079
It really is do.

580
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:23.279
You like that? Do you like that product? And what

581
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:26.039
it how it teaches you to come down on the ball.

582
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:29.720
Well, I'm sure I like him. And the only thing

583
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:32.440
is I will say that it's for the average guy.

584
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:34.960
It's very hard because the average guy doesn't do it right,

585
00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:38.559
doesn't get you know, it doesn't He's got that handle

586
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:41.039
behind the club, he had the impact, so the head's

587
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:44.039
coming up, so he stopped and he get the bowl airborne,

588
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:45.880
and I must say, the first time I did it,

589
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:49.000
I just shot it down the about a foot off

590
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:52.680
the ground about what you know. But then al Geiberger

591
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:54.359
was the first one that had had one, and he

592
00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:55.880
brought it over and he says, you got to try this,

593
00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:00.319
and then then after you know, my correct wink, can

594
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:02.319
I start getting the ball here? And I thought, God,

595
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:05.200
this is terrific, and you know it must be a

596
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:06.640
good product trillion.

597
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:17.200
Yeah, he's having fun with that. I'm curious to go

598
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:19.599
back to this, this tournament that the two of you

599
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:24.839
played together, because recently in a conversation UH with Mark

600
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:28.680
Brody about Every Shot Counts his book, and we were

601
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:33.440
talking about golf metrics and how he's saying that statistics

602
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:35.960
show that the drive for show put for doe is

603
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:39.160
actually backwards. That you really if you hit the ball

604
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:43.400
longer and farther, you're gonna have lower scores. I should

605
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:46.880
say longer and straighter, you're gonna have lower scores because

606
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:49.839
you're you're coming into the green with shorter irons, which

607
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:53.960
are gonna, you know, increase your chances of hitting the green.

608
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:58.680
What was the key? What is it about you guys

609
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:01.960
not hitting the ball far, but okay, you got a

610
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:05.160
hold one. But what is it that that beat them?

611
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:07.000
And what can we learn from that?

612
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:11.359
What really happened? Uh? I kind of after the really

613
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:16.200
after the first tea shot, which was a it was

614
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:22.440
mediocre at best, I kind of felt something. Uh it

615
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:26.440
was like a little precock position and address. And I

616
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:30.640
don't know how things happened. And I started because I

617
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:35.440
was playing from the senior teas. I started keeping it

618
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:38.559
up with this fellow and on occasion even doctor Passon

619
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:41.799
and and I think I rattled them a little bit

620
00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:44.640
because you know, on the first first tee shot he

621
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:47.799
got me by at least with few arms, So that

622
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:50.839
was part of it. And then my iron plate just

623
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:54.000
got stupid good. I was just drilling it in there,

624
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:58.759
and I mean I was laughing, truthfully, laughing to myself,

625
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:03.240
like when is this bubble gonna bursts? And just to

626
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:07.799
think about this, going holding one birdie Okay, yeah, I

627
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:13.239
mean usually you go hold one triple bogie excited, but

628
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:15.960
it just, you know, I guess I kind of got

629
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.280
out of my own way and it was an overdrive

630
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:20.800
when I got that feeling that no matter what I did.

631
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:23.440
It was going to be good. And you know that

632
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:27.719
they call that the zone. But you know, you know,

633
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:30.039
I have a fifteen or twenty foot put bam in

634
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.920
the whole ten foot plug bam, and the whole five

635
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:36.039
foot plug baman. It just it just just they just

636
00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:38.039
went crazy. And then when I got a little bit

637
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:41.119
conscious of it, you know, and you shoot under thirty uh,

638
00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:43.320
and then went to the other side. I had started

639
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:47.159
with a power. I had eight holes to go. I

640
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:50.079
had a tough time because I was conscious. I wanted

641
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:54.119
to shoot some you know, your ego gets so going

642
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:57.760
out of proportion. Uh. So you know, like I said,

643
00:34:57.760 --> 00:34:59.639
I think I was one under or something like that.

644
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:03.800
But that one night was magic. It was just I thought,

645
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:05.960
this is what it must feel like. Could be Tied

646
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:10.440
Woods or whoever you because you know, it was just simple.

647
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:14.119
It was just absolutely simple. Getting back to what you

648
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:17.440
said about something, I'd like to bring something up from

649
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:21.119
my past years ago. I was training some ladies on

650
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:24.519
the LPGA when I was at Mission Hills, and I

651
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:26.360
mean because they had the craft of the Bisco at

652
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:30.880
that time, and I became a big fan of ladies

653
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:33.519
golf because I saw how great they hit the golf ball,

654
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:36.880
but they couldn't hit it very far compared to a man.

655
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:40.639
And I started thinking about it way way back when

656
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:44.119
they had a tournament. I can't even remember that there

657
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:46.360
was a man and a woman against a man and

658
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:49.679
a woman. So just for the fun of it, I

659
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.559
started using the computer and looking at the distance. And

660
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:56.400
women hit the drive and also the second shot. And

661
00:35:56.599 --> 00:35:59.960
when I looked at what the ladies tour was, hardly anybody.

662
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:02.639
I was reaching power five two and they were hitting

663
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:06.960
long irons and sometimes ferry was to the par fours

664
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:09.960
where the men were hitting drives eight iron, seven irons

665
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:11.960
right in there all the time, and the long hitters

666
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:14.159
were brought away with the power four as you drive

667
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:17.519
and ledge. So I compiled a distance advantage that I

668
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:21.000
thought men women should have over men, and I wanted

669
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:24.800
to set up men tournament, I mean a livemen against

670
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:28.760
men tournament. And we came up with seventy five yard distance.

671
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:31.440
And I knew Sandra Palm and some of the gals

672
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:35.880
from the Dabisco. They had told him about it, and

673
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:37.519
we went over to a golf course and at that

674
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:40.559
time I could pop it out there three hundred yards plus,

675
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:42.920
so I played from the back tees and then I

676
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:46.000
moved the girls up seventy five yards and we hit

677
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:48.400
our t shots. Said well, heck, they were still ahead

678
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:51.119
of me even if I busted it, because they needed

679
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:54.119
to be because they needed to hit cbs going to

680
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:55.360
hit an eight R and I hit an eight air

681
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:58.480
and at that time about one sixty five seventy they

682
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:00.800
would have to be They would have to be able

683
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:03.400
to hit hey from their distance probably about like one

684
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:07.880
fifty here one forty five, so they needed that distance

685
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:10.639
advantage also the second shot. So it worked out great,

686
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:13.559
and we played nine holes and they shot. They were all,

687
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:17.360
you know, five under, and they, you know, very excited,

688
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:21.639
thirty one thirty twos for you know about thirty six.

689
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:26.800
So I got some people interested in my concept and

690
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:29.639
they said, well, we'll fund that. It's culinary work. Reginie

691
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:35.119
and I went to the PGA with the idea. I'm trying.

692
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:37.960
I can't think of the name of the guy. Then

693
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:41.000
there's a good player. He was an attorney with glasses,

694
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:43.719
and he immediately said, no, we would never do that

695
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:48.199
because you know, we have nothing in the game. So

696
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:50.800
I came back with my tail between my legs and

697
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:54.199
I met with Commissioner Revolpi, who was a commissioner for

698
00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:57.760
the LPGA at the time, and we talked about it

699
00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:00.440
and said, well, there is one chance we could do

700
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:04.000
the thing in December when there is no tour. We

701
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:06.320
could do it like an old tourk dance. We'll have

702
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:09.199
the gals invite the guys. So my friends that were

703
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:12.159
sponsoring the thing in the Hotel Workers Union, they got

704
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:17.480
the Dual Country Club and we had the gals invite boys.

705
00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:21.519
Sider Palmer invited Arnold Palmer, and anyway, we had Trevino Palmer,

706
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:26.559
we had everybody, and we did this tournament and it

707
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:29.320
was there also success didn't have it on regular television,

708
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:33.760
had on PBS, but you know, everybody really enjoyed the event.

709
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:37.559
But they didn't play men against women, but they did

710
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:41.159
give the gals a seventy five yard dis stands. The

711
00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:43.679
second year, Frank Sinnotra, who I knew very well. So

712
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:47.719
I'd like to sponsor that tournament and I'll bring a

713
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:51.840
Stayers Roebuck in. But she did, and you know, long

714
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:55.159
story short, just before the tournament was going to be announced,

715
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:59.960
the stress Annountras mom Lew was in a jet plane

716
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:02.280
just go see him in Vegas and they flew right

717
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:04.320
into the Santa Rose and mountains here in the desert.

718
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:07.920
She died and he had to back out of the tournament,

719
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:11.159
and of course Sears went with him. So there I

720
00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:14.159
am now, and I spent more money than I had

721
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:18.599
trying to promote this thing and make the appearance of success.

722
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:22.280
You know, fancy card closed. So because I was meeting

723
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:28.400
with the Actors Equity, which was one of misters charities

724
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.800
and for actors that are now on their luck, they

725
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:35.599
either pay for their medical bills or so far. Well,

726
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:39.039
when I got the word from mister stops people that

727
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:42.159
you know, he couldn't announce obviously, you know, with mom died,

728
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:48.360
calling LPGA got the tournament with the PGA and they

729
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:53.079
had waiting in the Wayne's hands, uh J C. Penny's

730
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:55.519
and that's why of them became a JAC Kenny's Mixed

731
00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:58.800
Team Championship and out of I think they played somewhere

732
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:01.760
in Florida Hampound or something like that, and it was

733
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:04.679
on TV for about fourteen years and everybody said, well,

734
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:06.440
you got to sue, that was your idea and you

735
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:08.840
have all the paperwork, and I said, look, I was

736
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:11.599
trying to promote ladies going. I don't give a damn

737
00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:15.840
about suing anybody I feel like I got. I should

738
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:18.360
have been giving a pad on the back or a

739
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:22.039
goal watch or something. But the key thing that the

740
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:23.840
key thing that I was bringing this up about it

741
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:26.440
is not so much I lost the term and everything,

742
00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:30.119
but the disparity between men and women's golf is distance.

743
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:34.800
It's not ability. Believe me when I tell you the

744
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:36.880
gals can hit the hell out of the golf battle

745
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:39.880
and they can. I think there's a few gals out

746
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:44.840
there that I'll put against the men and putting any day.

747
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:48.119
But you can't overcome the distance. And you know, when

748
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:50.519
Michelle Wee was coming out when she's fourteen and doing

749
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:52.559
so well, when people were saying she's going to go

750
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:54.880
on the tour, they interviewed me and I said, look,

751
00:40:55.639 --> 00:41:00.280
you know, I can go lift weights for ten years

752
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:02.199
and then you put me in a cage where a

753
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:05.440
bear or a lion or or whatever, and they're gonna

754
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:10.760
tear me apart. And that's that's nature and yellow. The

755
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:14.039
show's a wonderful little gallagy. It's all really good at going.

756
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:16.800
She can't compete with a man. We don't don't, don't

757
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:20.400
be stupid. That's all that, all that garbage, and I

758
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:24.199
think the people that were pushing that hurt her. They

759
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:25.840
put a lot of pressure in the girl and I

760
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:28.719
so I have to see her playing great golf again.

761
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:34.880
But there's a there's a distance difference. And when you

762
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.400
say is there an advantage and love, sure there is,

763
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:40.519
of course there is. If I've got an eight iron

764
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:42.719
into the green, you've got foreign and the breed, we're

765
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.800
somewhat the same. I'm gonna beat your brains up. It's

766
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:50.000
just because well it's just it's just science. I mean,

767
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:54.199
it's just math. It's an easier shot. So you're absolutely

768
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:59.719
right when you say that does mean something. But distances

769
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:03.199
it everything. And that was proved the year when we

770
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:05.039
were in the regional championship. I had a boy that

771
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:08.119
could need a three forty or fatigue with no doubt.

772
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:10.719
But we played a real tight little golf course where

773
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:13.760
you can't hit driver. They just look the designer and

774
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:15.239
just love you to hit drivers that you could not

775
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:18.119
head out of bounds. And that's exactly what happened to me.

776
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:21.559
I don't want only three drivers out of bounds. So

777
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.639
that's craziness. There is a point where you have to

778
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:26.960
look at what the what the hole is and then

779
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:28.920
you have to say, Okay, this is what I must do.

780
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:31.239
I'm going to take double and triple and all that

781
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:35.199
out of play. By doing this, that's managing yourself on

782
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:37.719
the golf course. That's what I try to teach by players.

783
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:42.719
Sometimes they listens and sometimes they don't. The distance is

784
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:44.920
an advantage to a point.

785
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:55.440
So now on the women's tour, we have an eleven

786
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:57.079
year old who's making headlines.

787
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.960
Yeah, isn't that crazy? What's wonderful? Action, It's really wonderful.

788
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:04.000
Tell me what you know about her and what you've

789
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:06.840
seen and what your thoughts are about someone who can

790
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:09.360
compete at that level at that age.

791
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:13.079
Well, you know, I saw that she had one of

792
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:14.920
the pitch and put things, or was one of the

793
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:19.719
winners at Augusta, and it turns herround and gets on

794
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:22.239
the tour august in a, qualified for the US opening,

795
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:25.880
makes it for the ladies. It doesn't surprise me. Fair.

796
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:28.039
I've got a fifteen year old by the mayor, June

797
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:32.239
Jang that found my video. I started her when she

798
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:36.880
was a little past twelve, and recently she played in

799
00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:41.599
a major event in it was called a silver Bell event,

800
00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:44.559
I think in Phoenix somewhere, and she shot seventy four,

801
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:50.519
sixty four, seventy against twenty six year olds. And just

802
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:55.599
recently she played in the Golf Week magazine tournament. The

803
00:43:55.639 --> 00:43:58.639
previous year's years shot sixty seven seventy one to win it,

804
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:02.840
and this year shot seventy five with a triple part

805
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:05.199
five which she tried to go into when there's water

806
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:07.760
on both sides, and she learned a good lesson. But

807
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.559
then she came back with sixty eight and she said, coach,

808
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:13.280
I had ery green, and she said, I missed so

809
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:15.400
many puts. I could add fifty nine today. And it

810
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:18.159
wouldn't shock me if she said, Coach, I shot fifty

811
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:22.239
nine a day. That's how good these kids are nowadays.

812
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:25.920
What they're doing is what it used to take us

813
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:29.800
ten years. They're compressing that into a year because they're

814
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:33.440
practicing every single day. They got a wedge or a

815
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:36.320
putter in their hand all the time. They're not thinking

816
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:40.960
about they're not thinking about music, par dos, nothing. All

817
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:42.559
they're thinking about is how to get that ball in

818
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:46.400
the hole. There's a mindset out there with a lot

819
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:51.280
of young kids that just love the sport. But it's

820
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:55.920
like what happened when the Beatles came out. Every mom

821
00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:58.119
and dad wanted to give their kid to get the

822
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:01.239
guitar to learn it because they saw a chance for fame.

823
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:05.079
And I think that's what's happening. Young people are starting

824
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:08.280
to really discover golf. And you know, you're like a

825
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:11.079
rock star. For God's sakes, if you're really good in golf,

826
00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:13.280
Here here a star. You know we see in the

827
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:15.360
men's store. Well, the same thing is going to happen

828
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:18.039
to women's. But the women's will never be as popular

829
00:45:18.039 --> 00:45:21.280
as men's because that's just how life is. But but

830
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:24.400
if you want to see quality golf, watch of women play.

831
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:28.679
It's it's it's unbelievable. Uh. And and they're and they're

832
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:32.159
and they're a getting longer. And when you read these

833
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:35.440
stories about eleven year olds making it's just great for golf,

834
00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:39.800
and women's golf especially, but more importantly it's great for juniors.

835
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:43.039
For a kid they see my god, and eleven year

836
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:45.920
old make it, Mom, get me a wedge by me

837
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:48.760
said clubs. Uh, you know, we know that it takes

838
00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:50.159
a lot of hard work, and you have to be

839
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:52.679
a special training of person to get it all the

840
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:55.679
way to the tour. But it's still this is such

841
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:58.199
a great sport. It's such a great sport for a kid.

842
00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:01.960
It's a lifelong sport. Teaches us so many great lessons.

843
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:03.800
And hey, every now and then, out of a batch

844
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:06.480
of kids, you get one that's so special. And June

845
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:09.559
is to me. I mean, she's like, she's like my daughter.

846
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:13.599
I mean, I just adore her and she is such

847
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:16.800
a hard worker. Uh. I had a couple of big

848
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:19.440
universities called I can't I don't want to mention their names,

849
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:24.519
but they're already looking at her, and she's a sophomore fantastic.

850
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:27.639
So it didn't surprise me. I mean it did a

851
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:29.840
little bit, but I didn't say, oh my god, that's

852
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:32.519
not impossible, because it is possible when you when you

853
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:34.840
go to some of these a j g as, the

854
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.559
events and some of the things that the PGA does

855
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:41.239
and those those they should be so thank for doing that,

856
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:44.000
and you see the talent that's out there, it's just

857
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:46.400
it's mine. It's mine, Bob. I've got a seven year

858
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:48.400
old and I'm teaching right now, and I want to

859
00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:51.800
tell you something he got he's got corrected also, and

860
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:54.440
is anybody on tour? I mean it's when I say

861
00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:57.199
it's perfect, it's perfect. And he beats the ball out

862
00:46:57.239 --> 00:46:59.920
there way farther than a seven year old. Shit it

863
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:03.239
And where's he what's he going to be doing when

864
00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:06.239
he's fifteen and sixteen if he continues this and all

865
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:09.000
he can think about it he watches the golf channel.

866
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:14.599
He doesn't watch SpongeBob. It's crazy, you know, it's crazy,

867
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:16.559
and I love it. I mean, I just love it.

868
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:19.199
So the fifteen year old, if I'm not mistaken, is

869
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:21.440
it June Jang.

870
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:25.639
Jane Jang, And she's on my video and the swing

871
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:29.360
that he had is tighter and better than it was then.

872
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:30.639
It was pretty down good bed.

873
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:35.239
Because you, yeah, at the end of twenty thirteen, you

874
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:38.079
sent me a couple of video clips of her swing

875
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:42.599
and I will definitely put those up on the blog

876
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:45.920
post with this show. But you also sent me the

877
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:48.719
video of the seven year old boy what's his name?

878
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:52.960
Ivan Tran, Ivan Tran, Okay, I'll put I'll put those

879
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:55.960
up so people can see what you're talking about, because yeah,

880
00:47:55.960 --> 00:47:58.519
I interesting, there's short there's short videos. They're real quick.

881
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:01.039
It's just the you know, kid swing, but you'll have.

882
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:03.079
To do you just look at the swing. You say,

883
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:06.079
Holy Macro, how the heck did he do that? And

884
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:09.320
in Iran's case, I can't take credit for the swing

885
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:14.360
because he watched the golf channel and copied it. And

886
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:17.400
so when his dad came to me and said, would

887
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:18.800
you help my son? And I han't seen him at

888
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:20.840
the ball in the range because every time he comes

889
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:24.480
out there he draws a crowd. I said, well, I said,

890
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:26.320
you've done a great job with him. He said, he

891
00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:30.039
won't listen to me anymore. I crashed up seventy years

892
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:32.840
old ago. But the truth is the dad doesn't play

893
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:36.840
golf and the kid knows that. So I had such

894
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:41.000
I mean, I want to tell you something. I would

895
00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:43.119
pay to give this kid lessons. And I don't charge

896
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:45.239
I don't charge kids, but I would pay to give

897
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:49.800
this little kid lessons because it's just looking at a

898
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:52.840
phenomenon in the future. I mean, this kid's going to

899
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:54.920
do something in golf, is going to be crazy. And

900
00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:58.800
he puts his chips like a pro. I mean, already

901
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:02.679
he gets on the putting green and you'll see all

902
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:06.239
people punting everybody stops because they see him roll one

903
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:09.440
after twenty foot or one right after another bag, And

904
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:11.320
I just sit there and just watch the ball just

905
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:14.159
keeps going in the hall. He thinks it was supposed

906
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:18.519
to happen. Yeah, it's fabulous, It is fabulous.

907
00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:21.639
Well, so, I've always been fascinated by young people who

908
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:26.320
come up on the tour because it's golf is well

909
00:49:26.360 --> 00:49:31.159
beyond physical skills, there's the metal aspect. There's the emotional

910
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:35.920
aspect of dealing with the pressure of a Sunday round.

911
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:40.119
And you know, I'm thinking a seven year old, he's

912
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:42.719
going to bang it away. He doesn't even know or

913
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:46.320
understand what it means to have the pressure on, you know,

914
00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:49.559
with all the eyes watching and got to make this putt.

915
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:53.000
How is the metal side for? I mean, these kids

916
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:55.039
can hit balls like crazy all day long. But put

917
00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:58.199
him on a golf course in competition. What happens then?

918
00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:03.159
Oh, I haven't played in a number of tournaments which

919
00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:04.679
he's won or been in second place.

920
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:07.039
Yeah, competing against seven year olds.

921
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:10.239
Right of course, yeah, of course, yeah. But but but

922
00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:14.559
this is the thing that I think that is happening

923
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:19.320
like this eleven years old eleven year old they see

924
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:22.039
they can do it, they enjoy doing it, and they

925
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:24.800
love people watching them do it, So they don't have

926
00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:27.559
the insecurities and the feelings why can't I beat this?

927
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:29.559
They don't. They don't even think that way. It's a

928
00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:32.840
totally different way of thinking. And I think it's just

929
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:37.000
the era we're in. You know, kids are kids are

930
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:41.320
our other shell really early because of television and whatever.

931
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:46.159
I think, think back when you were a kid, things

932
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:50.960
you did and what's what's happening today? Because of because

933
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:53.880
of I don't think it's all good, don't get me wrong,

934
00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:57.960
but because of Facebook and everything, everyone is more involved

935
00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:01.000
in the social aspects. So people will have a tendency

936
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:05.480
to be a little bit more. They're not so self conscious.

937
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:08.119
And you know, I was such a wallflower. I mean

938
00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:10.559
I remember going to a dance when I was a

939
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:14.480
sophomore and I was I was literally stuck against the wall,

940
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:17.320
afraid to ask anybody to dance. That doesn't occur anymore.

941
00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:22.519
I mean, that doesn't occur anymore because of the exposure

942
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:26.559
that they have to everything. So kids don't have that

943
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:31.719
fear that I think that we had because that's just

944
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:32.360
how it was.

945
00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:36.199
Well, they're in front of cameras a whole lot more

946
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:38.199
than we ever were. I mean, there's no pictures of

947
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:40.480
me growing up. But every young person I know, and

948
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:44.639
I'm talking under ten, is so comfortable in front of

949
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:48.920
a camera because there's been pictures being taken every few minutes.

950
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:52.760
Yeah, and this is you know, this period of time

951
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:55.400
now is where people are showing off a lot, shot

952
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:57.360
off the way they look, where they dress. It was

953
00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:00.440
conscious of all these thinks. So I'm mean, I'm not

954
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:02.599
saying that there aren't a few kids that still walk

955
00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:04.840
around hung up on this and hung up on that,

956
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:10.519
but the majority are much more confident, I know that

957
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:12.960
than when I was a kid. Of course, I went

958
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:16.840
to parochial school and it was pretty it was pretty strict. Uh.

959
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:20.639
But these kids nowadays, I mean, the boys had come

960
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:24.519
in my programs. I mean, they're already they've had experiences

961
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:26.159
in their life that I didn't have until I was

962
00:52:26.199 --> 00:52:29.559
in my thirties. You know, uh, some good, some bad.

963
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:31.760
But they've just been exposed to a hell of a

964
00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:35.119
lot more than I was, and so consequently they think

965
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:38.360
more adult. They just they just they had they have

966
00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:41.159
more adult feelings in the sense of what they think

967
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:43.599
about themselves, and I can tell you I've been If

968
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:45.880
I tell Ivan, hey, come on, how want you need

969
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:48.320
to drive for my boys golf team, he can't wait

970
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:50.039
to show them that he gets it better than them.

971
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:53.880
I mean he can't wait.

972
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:07.320
Me about your methods the swing for your short game,

973
00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:14.039
for pitching and chipping and not full swing, how is

974
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:16.400
that impacted by what your method is?

975
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:20.519
Well, you know, the chippion method has always been that

976
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:23.400
you playoff if you're right handed, you put the majority

977
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:25.880
of your weight on your left side. So that falls

978
00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:31.000
right back into what we're doing. And modern day chippers

979
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:36.800
are less handsy, the more arm shoulder weight left and

980
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:41.079
a small rotation uh just and the rotation gets bigger

981
00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:43.679
for the for the longer the shot. But but there

982
00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:46.599
is a rotation, so they keep the arms connected and

983
00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:51.679
it's still a body movement a post to just the arms.

984
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:53.280
Not to say that you can't do it with just

985
00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:56.559
the arms, but again, when you're use it arms and hands,

986
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:01.119
you're bringing in the opper coortunity for the hands to

987
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:04.440
overwork or for you to decelerate your arms where you

988
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:07.840
stay connected and you turn through it. The club is

989
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:10.280
moving along with the body, so there's no hit to

990
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:13.239
the ball kind of thing. You have to be on

991
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:15.960
the left side for sure, because you want the club

992
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:18.320
to be coming down when it strikes the golf ball.

993
00:54:18.920 --> 00:54:24.000
So that's part of it. It's not it's not difficult,

994
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:30.519
for sure. It's not difficult. So well, I think shipping ahead.

995
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:32.920
I'm sorry, I was just going to say. And then

996
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:37.320
of course I teach the fall running type of chipstroke.

997
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:41.960
So shipping where you're all on the fringe and shortside

998
00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:43.719
of the grass. You know you're going to do that

999
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:46.320
with seven and eight six irons, you know, can you

1000
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:49.239
be using a sandwich and those guys shots pitching when

1001
00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:53.239
you're further back and heavier grass where the club has

1002
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:56.360
to come up down but you're still on the left side.

1003
00:54:56.440 --> 00:54:58.679
It's just that's just more of a you know, that's

1004
00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:00.679
just more of what I say about it swing though.

1005
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:04.119
The real chipping where you set up to the ball

1006
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:06.440
and you you take the heel of the of the

1007
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:08.480
club off the ground, so you put it up on

1008
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:10.800
a toe. And the reason you do that because you

1009
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:12.920
want to get the shaft in the same position as

1010
00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:15.239
your putter shaft, so you get your eyes right down

1011
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:18.559
over the ball. That you're just using an arm armed

1012
00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:22.599
you know, arm swing with a fly left wrist, very

1013
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:25.239
similar to your puddy's stroke, and that should be done

1014
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:28.280
around the green. You know, put put away your wedges

1015
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:30.199
around the green. You want to you want to hit

1016
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:32.599
the ball in a release and roll to the hole.

1017
00:55:32.639 --> 00:55:34.559
You don't want to try to put back spin and

1018
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.559
all that. It's just silliness. But when you're pitching the

1019
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:40.599
ball from a distance, you know, thirty yards forty yards,

1020
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:43.639
then you have to do use a miniature rotary motion

1021
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:45.800
just like you do with the with the full swing.

1022
00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:50.000
Real simple, Oh yeah, sure, real simple.

1023
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:54.119
No, it really is. When if for those for those

1024
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:56.360
of you that have chipping problems or anything like that,

1025
00:55:56.719 --> 00:55:58.239
they ever come in the desert bell get rid of

1026
00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:01.440
them in five balls. I mean, I promise you, and

1027
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:03.480
I don't care if you if you scoop it right

1028
00:56:03.519 --> 00:56:05.559
at the bottom or anything. I have I teach you

1029
00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:11.159
some pe classes beginners, and and I get a lot

1030
00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:13.199
of these people have never touched the golfld in their life,

1031
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:15.719
and in a very short period of time, everybody's got

1032
00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:19.840
that handle ahead of a ball at impact and it looks,

1033
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:22.159
it looks great, but it's not hard. To do. But

1034
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:24.360
if it's hard to do, if you're trying to keep

1035
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:28.079
your wrists flat and your body still and your head

1036
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:30.920
still and you're pushing your arms at then it's really hard.

1037
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:32.880
Then you scull them across the green all day long.

1038
00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:36.679
But that's not the action. It's it's you have to

1039
00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:39.000
set up properly and you have to understand what what

1040
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:41.079
the movement is. But then once you get the movement,

1041
00:56:41.119 --> 00:56:42.079
it's really simple.

1042
00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:45.559
Oh boy, do I want to see that. I'm bringing

1043
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:46.880
the video camera for that one.

1044
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:52.199
Okay, anytime, this is a really duck soup. This is

1045
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:54.519
this is this is a simple part of the game.

1046
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:56.880
The only thing is a distance control. That's a hard

1047
00:56:56.880 --> 00:56:59.119
part of that. Shipping and putting is yeah, yeah, it's

1048
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:00.760
what twenty foot You got to be able to hit

1049
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:03.199
it twenty one feet twenty two feet?

1050
00:57:03.280 --> 00:57:05.960
Yeah, But most of the time I see the mistakes

1051
00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:10.320
that happen for for chipping, is that people hit three

1052
00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:16.000
or four inches behind the ball, and then well you get.

1053
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:17.320
Yeah, that's because they're staying behind the ball. They're not

1054
00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:19.599
moving through the ball number one, or they're trying to

1055
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:21.920
they're trying to scoop under the wall, try to get

1056
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:23.519
under the ball and make it go up. You hear

1057
00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:26.039
people say they'll scull this, so I didn't get under

1058
00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:29.000
that one. Well that you don't get under it. You're hitting.

1059
00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:30.719
You're hitting. You have to get down on it. And

1060
00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:32.719
the ball hits the face of the club. It slides

1061
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:34.239
up the face and then goes up in the air.

1062
00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:37.800
But you don't scoop the club underneath, only shut it.

1063
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:39.480
I know that you go underneath like that as a

1064
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:42.039
sandshot when you when you lay the club back. But

1065
00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:45.280
people try to do that. They feel like they have

1066
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:48.159
to help it up. And so in scooping, what what

1067
00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:50.880
what to scoop? You have to You have to uncock

1068
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:54.280
your wrist. Your left wrist gets really cocked and the

1069
00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:58.440
blade goes up so that that's that's the bana, you know.

1070
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:02.199
But it's easy we fix once people. You don't say,

1071
00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:05.400
don't scoop your wrists. You just show them. Do you

1072
00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:08.039
show them a movement where they don't the risk, don't scoop.

1073
00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:12.639
You explain how the thing really works, and then then

1074
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:15.559
it's really easy. The problem is is that a lot

1075
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:18.320
of teachers that teach say don't do this, Well, no,

1076
00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:20.840
you see, you scoop it or you did this, and

1077
00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:24.159
and so they're still fixated on that movement instead of

1078
00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:27.920
getting them to do the movement that that eliminates that.

1079
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:33.239
But really, honestly, if anybody wants to shift, they can

1080
00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:36.239
go on any on any website. There's so many guys

1081
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:39.320
out there that that are saying exactly what I say,

1082
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:42.079
because it's not a secret. And and and you know,

1083
00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:46.360
keep in mind, the tour is constantly looking for easy,

1084
00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:49.119
the easiest way to do these things, not the hardest.

1085
00:58:49.119 --> 00:58:53.199
So if you copy Mikelsen or those kinds of people,

1086
00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:55.880
you'll see that they have a process that they repeat

1087
00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:56.679
over and over again.

1088
00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:00.880
But why that's that's where you're more strokes are lost.

1089
00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:05.239
I think inside the thirty yard area, then.

1090
00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:07.400
There's no question about it. Had no question about it.

1091
00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:11.320
U I. One of the parts of my formula for

1092
00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:15.320
the golf team is that you've got you got, You've

1093
00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:16.519
got to be able to get it up and down

1094
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:18.559
from fifty yards and end. You just got to be

1095
00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:20.239
able to do that if you want to if you're

1096
00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:23.599
serious about being competitive golfer, you have to be able

1097
00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:27.079
to do that. And it sounds really hard, but it's

1098
00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:31.079
really not because once you have e motion that is consistent,

1099
00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:34.599
and then you just can dial in the rotation of

1100
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:37.079
your body. But the distance when you do it with

1101
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:39.519
your hands. Now you know your nerve endings are at

1102
00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:42.360
the end of the fingers, and we all get nervous,

1103
00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:44.920
we all get anxious, and that never goes away, and

1104
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:48.920
hopefully never will because that's a good thing. Adrenaline is

1105
00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:51.400
a good thing if you use it properly. But if

1106
00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:53.679
you set up to the ball properly, whether you're hitting

1107
00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:57.559
the ball, chipping the ball, whatever, and now your body

1108
00:59:57.599 --> 00:59:59.719
dictates the distance the ball is going to go by,

1109
00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:03.559
it's it's rotation and that temple, well you can you

1110
01:00:03.559 --> 01:00:07.119
can fine tune this thing really quick, opposed to trying

1111
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:10.800
to time your hands how when they turn over, how

1112
01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:13.760
fast they turn over, and so forth. And those are

1113
01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:18.320
the things that that the modern swing, even though this

1114
01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:20.960
is not really a modern swing, but it's it's a

1115
01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:23.480
modern way of teaching. You watch the tour now, you

1116
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:25.079
look at the guys when we start the ball, you

1117
01:00:25.079 --> 01:00:27.320
don't you don't see anybody way behind the ball in

1118
01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:29.639
the dress anymore. You know. There was a guy but

1119
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:31.800
the named Jerry Hogan and said, I want you to

1120
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:35.000
stand above the ball but not behind it. And that's

1121
01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:38.480
a great statement. And that's what the driver or anything else.

1122
01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:39.800
Hm hmm.

1123
01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:45.039
Interesting, You're gonna have to come down and bring your wedge,

1124
01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:47.840
a suitcase, a tooth brush, and a wedge.

1125
01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:58.559
A long weekend. Okay, the suitcase, a toothbrush, and a wedge.

1126
01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:01.400
Well, yeah, maybe, and maybe they e there so that

1127
01:01:01.400 --> 01:01:02.559
I can show you the run up huts.

1128
01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:05.320
I'll bring the potter and we'll just play the entire

1129
01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:06.800
round with three clubs. How's that?

1130
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:07.880
Yeah, there you go.

1131
01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:11.639
Absolutely, that'll be interesting. It'd probably scored the same.

1132
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:14.599
Probably probably.

1133
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:19.119
Oh, Tony, Well listen. I hope you have a full recovery.

1134
01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:22.440
I'm so sorry about your accident. And I know that

1135
01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:25.760
I haven't asked in a while. How old are you now?

1136
01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:31.400
I'm seventy seven? Oh my god, but I well, right

1137
01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:34.880
now when I had the accident, I fell ninety seven. Yeah,

1138
01:01:34.960 --> 01:01:37.679
I bet because you're all of a sudden saying oh

1139
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:41.079
I'm falling because I'm old. But what happened to me

1140
01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:43.239
was if if I was fifteen, I would have got

1141
01:01:43.239 --> 01:01:47.639
the same result. Unfortunately, because I actually the golf course.

1142
01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:52.800
I wonder what will happen if another member gets down

1143
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:54.480
there where I was, then try to walk up that

1144
01:01:54.559 --> 01:01:56.920
hill and slips. The result is going to be very

1145
01:01:56.960 --> 01:01:59.920
similar because it was just very It shouldn't be that

1146
01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:02.880
steep anywhere near the green. But that's another story. I

1147
01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:04.480
know a lot of people know how you get to sue,

1148
01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:07.400
and I'm not a suing type, you know. Just I

1149
01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:09.280
think God had that plan for me to teach me

1150
01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:13.239
patience because I get a little impatient. My girlfriend is

1151
01:02:13.239 --> 01:02:19.880
looking at me and nodding her head, so anyway, you know,

1152
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:22.079
I have to look at it as it gave me

1153
01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:25.000
some time to stop working seven days a week, and

1154
01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:29.280
I caught up on every TV show that exists, for sure.

1155
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:32.440
But that's not something that's not something you want to

1156
01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:33.000
brag about.

1157
01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:37.199
No, it's just behind me now. And like I say,

1158
01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:41.400
once I get to therapy, I'll be I'll be kicking

1159
01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:44.639
and running again just like I always do.

1160
01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:46.679
Just like you always do, and dragging that team with

1161
01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:49.199
you across the finish line ahead of everybody else.

1162
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:52.239
Hopefully we can keep that up, baby.

1163
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:55.679
Yeah, amazing, All right, Tony, Well, it was great to

1164
01:02:55.719 --> 01:02:57.840
talk to you again. Thank you so much for giving

1165
01:02:57.920 --> 01:03:01.039
us your time. The golf Smarter community. He loves you,

1166
01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:04.920
will always love you. And again, the book and the DVD,

1167
01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:08.760
The Loss Fundamental by Tony Manzoni, is right here on

1168
01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:11.480
our website. And I you know, I like to say this,

1169
01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:14.199
and it's it's hard, but you're not going to find

1170
01:03:14.199 --> 01:03:16.920
it anywhere else. Really, you could look everywhere on the web.

1171
01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:20.760
You're only going to find it here and so and

1172
01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:23.159
that's why you're getting such a you know, the response

1173
01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:24.239
from people all over the world.

1174
01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:28.440
So well, I just want to thank everyone listening and

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leave them this thought and please continue supporting Fred. You

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are the voice of golf as far as I'm concerned,

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and I think you're doing a wonderful, wonderful thing for

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a lot of people.