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Oh the film is Zero.

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Dark Thirty.
The whiskey is David Nicholson

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reserve and more review them
both.

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This is the film and whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the film and whiskey
podcast, where each week, we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob book, I'm Reggie and
this week we are looking at

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2012's Zero Dark.
Thirty one of objectively.

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The coolest sounding movie names
of the last 25 years Yes, Brad.

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Oh dude.
There is something about the

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title that you're just like, I
feel like I'm on SEAL Team Six

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time in.
Yeah, I'm just, I have I'm

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bought into the movie before
anything else.

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Yeah dude.
Yeah, directors can't

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underestimate a good title.
No.

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So this is our second film.
Speaking of directors, from

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director Kathryn Bigelow.
Last week, we looked at 2009's

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The Hurt Locker or I guess
2008's, The Hurt Locker, I don't

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know.
There's some, there's some

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controversy who's to say, right?
Go I can listen to that if you

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want us to suss out what year
that was released in.

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But continuing on the
controversy train, Brad, we're

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looking at Zero Dark Thirty a
movie that is not without

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controversy of its own.
I was going to say, I think it

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is universally beloved by
military folks.

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The common public, the political
figures in our world, like

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nobody had an issue with this
movie.

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No, not at all.
I mean, it's basically, like,

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you know, this movie, and It's a
Wonderful Life, are the ones

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that bring up the Fondest
Memories for everyone.

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Yeah, that's it, man.
All right, Brad, I have not sat

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down and counted but this has to
be like, I don't know.

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The fourth fifth movie we've
done from the year 2012 at this

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point. 2012 is one of the most
slept on great movie years ever.

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And if you wouldn't mind, while
I'm vamping Brad, do me a favor,

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just Google real quick.
Best Picture nominees from the

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2013 Oscars, come on it because
it is just a really, really

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great list of movies.
All right so 2013 Oscars.

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We have our go a more Beasts of
the Southern Wild Django

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Unchained.
Les Miserables Life of Pi,

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Lincoln Silver, Linings Playbook
and Zero, Dark Thirty.

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So this is at least our 4th 2012
movie.

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I think we also did the eighth
Harry Potter movie, which came

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out in 2012.
There's probably another one

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floating around out there
somewhere that I can't think of

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off the top of my head.
But is a more, the French movie

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that I did.
That's the one that you do.

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Not like yeah, yeah, significant
movie year, you know?

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Yeah, yeah.
I would say.

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So I've actually seen every
single movie on here except for

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Lincoln and Beasts of the
Southern Wild.

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Oh man.
Okay, that's what you had a

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white wing credit and I would
have expected that you would

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have seen Lincoln by.
Now as I say, I've seen a more

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and I had not linking, not the
Steven Spielberg movie of the

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bunch, I love it.
I mean, if I'm being honest with

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you, Bob I think a more was the
first movie on this list that I

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saw chronologically in my life.
Wow, the tell me that I'm not a

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cinephile.
Bob True film, bro.

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Brad gee.
Bob you never mentioned.

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This is our 200th movie.
Brad, I totally forgot until

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just now.
And here's the crazy thing is,

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I've had this marked on my
calendar and on are like Google

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sheet for months.
This is is written it like on

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your hand.
This is our 200th regular

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episode of film and whiskey.
I am, dude, I'm just like I'm so

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grateful for this.
I can't believe.

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I'm 200 movies.
Yeah, I am blown away myself.

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Like, you know, like I grew up
watching movies and going to the

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theaters was something of a past
time with my family.

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We probably did it once a month
or so.

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And so to be able to sit down
and take seriously the art of

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watching Homes and just have a
blast with my best friend doing

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it for two hundred episodes.
Now like that's just really cool

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and I'm really thankful for all
of our listeners that that

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continue to tune in to hear us
ramble on about movies like from

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Gone With the Wind to Zero Dark
Thirty honestly.

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Like you know I know this is
gonna sound super selfish but at

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the end of the day the drive of
this podcast is like I get to

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introduce one of my best friends
in the world to something.

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I love more than almost anything
and that is like these movies

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and the facts that I have, like,
I just feel like I've tricked

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you into doing that.
Like, I can't believe this is

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worked for two hundred straight
weeks Brad.

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But, yeah, the crate, like you
have gone from not having seen

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hardly any Classic Movies to
probably more than 99% of the

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population at this point.
And, and we've gone all the way

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back to movies in the 30s.
We're going to look at silent

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movies here in a couple weeks.
Like, yeah, it's really cool to

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be able to continue, to
introduce you to these things.

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And to see like just how far
we've been able to come in, what

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we can talk about and the
references that I can make that

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you now understand?
Yeah, I'm rocketing up the

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percentile chart of movies
watched among Americans and I'm

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I'm proud of myself.
Bob, I'm kind of awesome.

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But you are a kind of awesome
man.

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All right man let's get into
talking about Zero Dark Thirty a

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little bit and in order to do
that, we have to throw over to

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our first segment of the day.
Which we call Brad explains

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that's gonna give us the movie
plot with only 60 seconds

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ticking on the clock.
So let's go ahead and do you

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take with this little segment
that we call?

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Brad explains rad explains is
the part of the podcast, where

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Brad breaks down the plot of the
film that he has just seen often

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for the first time.
Brad, was this your first time

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with Zero Dark Thirty?
Sure was.

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Wow.
Okay.

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Yeah, very first time I'd never
seen it.

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It's one of those movies that I
was always Rigged by, you know,

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partially because, you know, the
hunt of Osama bin Laden, I

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wouldn't say it was like a
formative part of our life, but

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we were 10.
When the Twin Towers fell and

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therefore, we were, you know,
around 20 ish when he got

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caught.
Yeah.

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And so spoiler alert, he didn't
get caught.

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Well, I mean, they caught him
with a bullet.

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Yeah.
Very.

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Very, very different.
Those and what happened with

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Saddam Hussein, you know what I
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Like, yeah, every kind of catch,
but yes, to your point, I

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understand what you're saying.
I'm just surprised that this is

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your first time seeing it
because of the three Downs in

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the Kathryn.
Bigelow, bunch here.

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I would have thought this would
be the one that had come across

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your radar a little quicker.
Yeah, no.

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I like I said, it's been on my
radar for a while but just never

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got around to it.
And I will say like, after

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watching it I sat down and
watched Obama's 10 minute speech

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on on.
Catching him read a few articles

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about, you know, some of the
what was going on in the cabin,

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in the president's cabinet is
they're making decisions and it

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definitely struck me about what
a huge moment.

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It was in our society when he
was killed.

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Yeah for sure.
All right.

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Brad.
Well now you have to break down

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the plot of the movie.
The way that this works is that

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we put 60 seconds on the clock
for Brad to explain the whole

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plot of the film.
If he doesn't make it through,

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we just cut him off and These
are left just on a cliffhanger,

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if you've not seen Zero Dark
Thirty.

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Something tells me you already
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So I'll give mild spoiler
warnings but, like, the spoilers

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are public knowledge.
So, folks, if, you know, go

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watch the movie.
But this is probably the first

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time in a few weeks Brad, that,
I would say you can get the

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movie spoiled for you, and
listen to us, talk about it

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before you watch the movie, and
I think you could still enjoy

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it.
Yeah. 100%, the, the movie

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obviously does not key.
It's not an omelet.

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M Night, Shyamalan movie, we'll
just say that.

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All right.
Brad, you have one minute on the

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clock and go Zero.
Dark Thirty is a movie about a

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CIA analyst played by Jessica
Chastain named Maya and her hunt

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for Ohama host Hama bin Laden.
And her hunt for Osama Bin,

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Laden, it, follows her from her
early days, in the CIA.

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As she's squeamish about torture
all the way through to the very

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end as she's being attacked in
in her Pakistani Embassy and her

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willingness to go to Every
length possible to find and kill

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Osama Bin Laden.
I I don't know what else to say

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Bob.
No not really.

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I mean that's that's the plot
thickens.

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Yeah, it's about Her.
And she has a drive to find and

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kill him.
Have it, have somebody else

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finding kill him.
She'll find him or in Brad's

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terms.
Catch him, catch him.

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Have you ever seen the bad man?
Like CollegeHumor video?

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Yeah.
There's the one where he's

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talking about how he doesn't
kill anybody.

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Yes, they just go to sleep.
That's what they did with it

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with us Ava.
That's on the historical.

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At this point?
Yeah, all right man.

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I think may be the place to
start.

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Is comparing this directly to
the film.

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That we just came out of, which
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And I think it's very clear a.
I mean, just looking at this

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movie, the scope of this movie
is just enormous compared to The

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Hurt Locker.
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And it's a decade-long my film,
and just, you know, the cast is

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incredibly stacked.
You can see the budget on the

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screen.
I always love it when like a

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filmmakers next movie gets a
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Budget is almost like when I
watched the first Godfather, ER,

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and then the Godfather Part 2
and like know, this clearly had

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at least twice the budget and,
you know, in the case of The

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Hurt Locker, it had between four
and five times the budget.

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And I think just just in looking
at it you can tell ya that's

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that's what winning an Oscar
will do for you.

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Bob?
Yeah.

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No.
You can definitely see the you

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can see where the money goes
like that.

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Like that's something we talked
about every once in a while.

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On the podcast you can see the
money in this.

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There's a lot more special
effects a lot more.

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Just like big showy scenes and
there's just a lot more movie to

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watch their step.
Certainly, as it's a long movie,

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it's a really long movie, man.
And that's one of the

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detractions, I would give this
film, is it?

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It's a little bit too long.
I have not watched this movie

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front to back since the first
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would have been in 2013 after
the Oscars.

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But I gave it a 10 out of 10 at
the time and I hope I say how

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life update I'm not giving us
movie A 10/10 now Now that's

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Bob, I was really worried that
we're going to come into this

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and I was going to give it like
an 8 or something and you'd be

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like what are you doing?
No.

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I mean like I think I'm kind of
in that range now not to spoil

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my final scores but it will
definitely be taking a step

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back.
It's not a perfect movie, it

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like, it has some pacing issues
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But I think even as I get into
talking about pacing issues, the

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whole reason I brought up the
comparison to The Hurt Locker is

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that in addition to being like,
Just massive in terms of scope

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and scale and ambition.
It's also a completely different

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kind of movie.
Like the fact that both of these

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movies are set in the Middle
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they have in common from like a
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standpoint.
I would put this movie in a

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completely different genre from
The Hurt Locker.

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I don't want to like totally
nitpick.

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What would we consider,
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The Middle East.
Now that's true, are they ever

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in the other in Afghanistan?
It's, um, Point in the movie,

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right?
Because they go to the, the CIA

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Black Ops base on in
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Yeah.
Anyway, there's Middle East

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element.
Just okay.

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I like geography, man.
Fair Point what I'm trying to

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say is, you know, I watch The
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yes, it's a war movie in this
one's not a war movie but it

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tells a very conventional
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There is like a narrative Arc.
There's tension builds.

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There's a Solution.
This movie is much more

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episodic.
And as I tried to, like,

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categorize what even is the
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The only kinds of films that I
can really compare it to our

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like journalists movies, you
know, like a procedural about

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like All the President's Men or
Spotlight has a lot in common

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with the way this movie unfolds.
It's just that instead of trying

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to break a story, they're trying
to catch the world's most

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infamous criminal, but it has
that same sort of, almost like

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police procedural element to it.
Yeah, 100%.

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And and yet it also has a bit of
like a Jason Bourne movie, mmm?

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Like, for me the vibe of the
lighting in the movie reminded

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me of the Bourne movies.
And and the way that they have,

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like a gritty realism vibe to
the foreign countries that they

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Place their characters in
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In, if you are from the US,
obviously just felt very similar

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to me.
Like I Found myself often

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throughout the movie thinking
that like, this is a much more

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serious.
Jason Bourne asked movie.

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Yeah.
That and that like, that's what

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really stuck with me in a good
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and the feel of this movie, all
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Like AI think it's the right
tone that they should have

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struck and be like they kept it
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film and that was really well
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I'm really glad you agree with
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that we were going to end up
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In a debate about it.
Like when I looked at the genre

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of the movie online, it's
categorized as a political

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thriller.
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those kinds of genres that
there's a huge umbrella for what

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you can call a political
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from like, you know, Manchurian
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Exactly.
Like I'm being chased by,

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there's a conspiracy against me.
And it's an action-thriller all

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the way down to like this kind
of, you know, backroom political

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Intrigue kind of thing, which I
met Aaron, Sorkin West Wing

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week.
Operates on a much different

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kind of Rhythm.
And so, like I guess the thing,

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you know, just to kick things
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My observation is, this is a
very different movie Than The

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Hurt Locker.
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And it's, it's fascinating.
How Bigelow is working in the

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same era of like history, like,
she's making historical fiction,

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ish, mmm, movies.
And like, I don't know, I'm very

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curious.
Why?

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Why she is a director was drawn
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I mean, obviously she's making
these movies as the things are

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happening like Zero Dark Thirty
originally was supposed to be a

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movie about the failed Manhunt.
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Sama Bin Laden.
And then they found him and

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killed him.
There are sorry.

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They found in caught him caught
it and they completely rewrote

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the script to fit the catching
of Osama bin Laden.

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Do you think this is a good time
to get into like the whole Mercy

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or should we save that for a
little bit later?

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Yeah, let's just get it out of
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Okay, so they waterboard people
that here's the, I will say, one

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of the best lines I've ever
heard in a movie is when the the

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CIA agent that trains, Jessica
Chastain and the field on how to

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torture, people is leaving and
he's like telling her to be

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careful.
He's like, you know, times are

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changing.
They're not letting us do what

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we need to do and then he goes,
you Don't want to be the last

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one found holding the dog
collar, the dog collar.

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And I'm like, oh, I don't like
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Yeah, but it's a great like
crazy thing is, like, that's not

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a euphemism, that's not a
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That is snow.
He's being literal.

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Describing what they did to
prisoners, 100%.

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So I will say, go ahead in the
movie.

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I have not read about what they
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I will just comment on what they
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What they portrayed in the movie
is effed up, bro.

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Yeah, it's horrific.
Well, and I was going to say the

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funny thing is this movie is so
controversial that there are

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controversies off of the
controversies and yep, when I

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said like let's talk about the
controversy.

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I wasn't even thinking about the
torture element of it which in

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itself was very controversial.
And a lot of people movie

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critics that did not like this
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And basically said, essentially
the Ark of the Story is if not

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for the torture of these
prisoners.

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We would not have caught Osama
Bin Laden, right?

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Yeah, we being Americans, right?
We are Americans.

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I, you know, sorry, I'm using
the, the, the formal we here.

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Yeah.
I think you mean merkins.

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Yes.
Exactly.

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But it's, and so, the point
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whether Kathryn Bigelow, and the
screenwriter Mark boal?

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Understand it or not, they're
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being portrayed on screen and So
it became this big back and

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forth with markable saying, like
you're misreading, the film, if

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that's what you think.
But, I mean, those elements are

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there and the controversy Brad
that I was referring to though

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is the fact that this movie
essentially ends up getting

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accused of stealing CIA secrets
that, like, how could they have

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known how this operation went
down less than a year after it

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happened.
Unless somebody was feeding them

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information about it.
And so, you know, Mark boal has

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come out and said like He got
his information from and, and

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then, the funny thing is, like,
after the movie comes out, it's

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getting investigated, they
opened a senate investigation

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against this movie, to figure
out what you like, how they got

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their information.
And at the same time, they're

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investigating it for stealing
CIA Secrets.

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There's a whole section of
Congress, especially people like

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John McCain Dianne Feinstein who
are accusing the movie of being

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grossly inaccurate.
So it's like, okay, well, if

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they stole Secrets then they
clearly.

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I didn't use them because you're
saying none of this happened.

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So like it was caught in between
all of these kind of hot-button

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controversies.
It came out in an election year,

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people accused it of trying to
be released so that it would

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influence the, you know, people
in favor of voting for Obama

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even though it hardly mentions
Obama, it really just did become

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a political lightning rod for a
few months there.

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And yeah, that's interesting Bob
because technically this movie

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was supposed to come out in
2012.

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It ended up coming out and
really early 2013 because they

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didn't want to affect the
election.

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I guess I didn't.
And I said, giving this movie a

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lot of credit to assume that
like so many people are going to

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go see this movie and attribute.
All of this to Barack Obama that

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it will sway an American
election.

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Yeah well and and if we're being
honest like in the end at the

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end of the day, Barack Obama was
the president who gave the order

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to the?
Yeah.

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Hundred percent like giving
credit where credit's due and

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like that's fine.
Like he was the president.

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It's whoever is the quarterback
of the team gets the W or the L.

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Yep.
Like so if Obama gets the W-4

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that then he gets the W-4 that
that's, I don't know.

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That just seems like a silly
talking point but I know we're

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talking about American politics
where nothing is silly and

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everything is important.
So you know, you know, Bob we

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should probably just talk about
politics this entire episode.

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I was actually hoping Thing,
that we could just pivot the

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show to, like, film and
politics.

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Oh, no, this exact whiskey.
Yeah, it's Gotta Be.

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Yeah, there we go.
In the logo will get rid of the

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film reel, and just put an
American flag, or like the

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judicial scales.
Yeah, that's a good one.

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Yeah, Statue of Liberty.
Yes?

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Yes, yes, yes.
All right, man, let's talk about

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the movie itself and I want to
start with Jessica Chastain

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because it's her movie.
Jessica Chastain is such an

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interesting case study in
stardom because she was, you

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know, a working actress, she had
been in a few movies.

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Like, in 2010, she comes out
with this movie called The Debt

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where she plays a supporting
role and so, like she's working

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her way up through, you know,
the the food chain in Hollywood

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and she makes a love the.
I love the phrase working

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actress though.
As if like Meryl, Streep isn't

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working, she's just like
floating on clouds around the

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set.
Meryl.

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Streep is gigging.
At this point, she doesn't need

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steady work.
Come on.

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That's true.
So chasteen films like six or

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seven movies that all like some
of them get shelved for a few

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months, some of them get rushed
into post-production.

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And in the year 2011 she has one
two, three, four, five, six.

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Movies.
Come out and like at least four

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of them are either like really
beloved by critics or become

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really big hits.
So she makes a movie with Ray

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finds that he directs.
It's an adaptation.

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And of the Shakespeare play
coriolanus, she's in the movie,

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take shelter with Michael
Shannon, which is, I mean, a

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phenomenal movie.
I love that film.

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She makes the Tree of Life where
she is like co-starring opposite

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Brad Pitt in a Terrence Malick
movie like and Sean Penn and

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then don't forget him and then
the one that really kind of puts

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her on the map, is the movie.
The Help The Help gets nominated

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for a bunch of oscars.
I believe she gets nominated for

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best supporting actress for the
help.

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And so, from relative obscurity,
T to the end of that year.

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She's like one of the biggest
names in Hollywood and then what

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does she have coming out the
following year?

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Oh just Zero Dark.
Thirty like it.

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Yeah.
It's so crazy to think how

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quickly this kind of thing can
happen.

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Yeah.
And Chilean like interest

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Interstellar.
Just a year or two later.

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Yeah, exactly.
Like yeah, she had a really nice

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run there for a while and you
know she finally has won her

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Oscar just a little over a year
ago for the movie The Eyes of

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Tammy Faye.
It's just crazy because I feel

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like she's been a fixture in
Hollywood for so long.

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But there was a time when from
one year to the next nobody knew

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her and then she was, you know,
the hottest thing in town.

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Yeah stardom thrust upon her
quickly.

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So what's gonna happen to us
baby that we're going to hit the

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big time Bob.
And what?

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I don't know what is the big
time even look like for a

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podcast not Jessica Chastain's
career, it's like that.

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Okay, we're not going to be
making millions of dollars.

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If we couldn't hit the level of
Fame, she had before 2011, Evan

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will be like gods in the
podcasting world.

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Yeah, yeah.
We probably would need an well,

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here's here's the becoming gods
of the podcasting world.

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So, Chastain in this movie,
pretty incredible, Brad.

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Yeah, she's like you said, she
is the driving force of this

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film.
Like her emotional engine keeps

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this thing moving and boy does
this movie need it because it is

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long like, I II And I emphasize
this enough, Bob, I checked, I

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try my hardest to not check
where I'm at in a movie like

449
00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:30,800
you're not meant to know it when
you're sitting in the theater,

450
00:24:31,300 --> 00:24:35,100
there's nothing you can't just
like, you know, check to see how

451
00:24:35,100 --> 00:24:37,500
much time you have left.
You can't put on subtitles.

452
00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:41,000
I've returned to a place where I
try to watch movies as much.

453
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,700
Like I'm in the theater as
possible.

454
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,500
This one I checked at one point
I was like oh dear God, I have

455
00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:49,700
an hour and 20 minutes left.
I'm not even halfway.

456
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:54,300
I checked one more time and I
was like, oh man, there's 53

457
00:24:54,300 --> 00:24:57,200
minutes left.
This is really rough man.

458
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,400
I'm not gonna lie to you man
will get back to chest and a

459
00:24:59,408 --> 00:25:01,300
second.
I did the same thing like

460
00:25:01,300 --> 00:25:04,400
multiple times throughout this
movie because again, this is

461
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,200
kind of I don't see the downfall
but it is an inherent feature of

462
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,500
this kind of episodic procedural
movie that because there is not

463
00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:15,500
a traditional narrative Arc even
though there's kind of the

464
00:25:15,500 --> 00:25:18,900
built-in, like the hunt and then
the catch at the end of the

465
00:25:18,908 --> 00:25:23,100
movie.
So there is like a kind of Arc,

466
00:25:23,100 --> 00:25:26,000
but it's so episodic and so stop
start.

467
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,000
And then, you know, one step
forward, two steps back.

468
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,800
Because of the nature of this
case that you really can't tell

469
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,500
how far you are into the movie
at any point, and it sounds very

470
00:25:36,500 --> 00:25:39,900
endless and repetitive.
And again that's that's the

471
00:25:39,900 --> 00:25:41,900
nature of what it was like to do
this.

472
00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:46,800
However, you know, I got like a
half hour into the movie and I

473
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,400
couldn't remember if all of the
torture stuff was just like an

474
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,900
extended.
Did prologue to what was going

475
00:25:50,900 --> 00:25:53,100
to happen and it's like, no,
it's not really a prologue.

476
00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:57,500
It's just like one chapter of
this film and then she goes off

477
00:25:57,500 --> 00:26:00,000
and does another thing.
And then she gets shot at by

478
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,900
some people and then she's with
SEAL Team Six and I don't know,

479
00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:07,500
man, I'm with you and I hit the
point where there's that

480
00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:10,100
assassination attempt on her,
one of many, where she's getting

481
00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:12,400
shot at, you know, and she's
still like drive backwards

482
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,000
behind that gate and I press
pause.

483
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,000
And it was like, at the hour and
a half-ish mark.

484
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,700
Yep.
Oh, they're still All our left

485
00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:23,000
in this movie and I feel like
I've been watching it for at

486
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,000
least 2.5 hours.
Yeah, it's pretty much the same

487
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,000
as the ending of The Return of
the King.

488
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,100
Hmm.
My like it's episodic.

489
00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:36,200
There's like seven different
episodes to the ending and every

490
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,400
single one is better than the
last.

491
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,000
So Becca, back to Jessica
Chastain.

492
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,700
Let's get back to Jessica for a
second.

493
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:49,600
I think what makes her work as a
character is the way she slowly.

494
00:26:49,700 --> 00:26:54,100
Lee unravels throughout the
movie.

495
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:59,500
That at the very start you have
a fresh-faced like, right out of

496
00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:03,600
school, recruit who, you know,
shows a lot of promise.

497
00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:09,500
And by the time you get like 45
to 60 minutes into the film, you

498
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:15,000
hear her asking Prisoners, the
same questions that her trainer

499
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,200
was asking and using the same
phrases and you're kind of like

500
00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:22,600
oh she's like She's like and now
she's bought into the what

501
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,900
they're doing and then from
there you see the physical

502
00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:30,600
transformation happen and she
gets you know, her hair gets

503
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,700
more and more unkempt and she
doesn't care.

504
00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:36,400
Quite as much about her makeup
anymore and and you see her kind

505
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,700
of slowly lose it throughout the
film.

506
00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:42,000
And I think that's the thing
that keeps the film.

507
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,800
Moving is how her emotional
energy becomes more ragged as

508
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,600
the film goes further and
further along well.

509
00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:50,700
Yeah.
And I think the great thing

510
00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:53,200
about it is that they kind of
establish at the beginning of

511
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,600
the film, that this is all she
has.

512
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,500
This is all she does.
She has no life outside of this.

513
00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:01,200
We never find out her last name
and that's because this is a

514
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,400
fictional character.
There's I mean, based on real

515
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,600
CIA operatives but we only know
her as Maya and anyone only

516
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,200
knows her.
As my I don't think they ever

517
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,000
use a last name for her in this
movie and it gets to a point

518
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,200
where one of her colleagues asks
her do you have any friends and

519
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,100
she just doesn't answer and it's
pretty obvious that she doesn't

520
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,000
So, when you get to the end of
the film and Brad, I love the

521
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,700
ending of this film, and that
last shot of the movie has stuck

522
00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:29,800
with me for, you know, 11 years
now.

523
00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:32,800
It's 45.
Probably second shot.

524
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,300
That is just a close-up on her
face because they've killed Bin

525
00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:40,500
Laden and they put her on a
plane and the guy says like hey

526
00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:43,300
must be pretty important.
You're the only person here so

527
00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:46,100
you it's echoing her isolation
and then he says where do you

528
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:49,100
want to go?
And she has no answer and up to

529
00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:50,900
play and start.
It's too kind of just Meander

530
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:55,600
down, you know, the taxiway, and
she's crying and she's

531
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,900
understanding, like, where do I
go from here?

532
00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:02,200
Kathryn, Bigelow, in an
interview was talking about how

533
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,400
she loved this ending, because
she wanted the audience to

534
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,500
understand that this is not just
where do I go from here?

535
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:10,700
But, where do we go from here?
Like, as Americans?

536
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,700
We were hoping that someday we
could catch and or kill Osama

537
00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:18,000
Bin Laden and then it happened.
And it's like, okay, what?

538
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,900
Now there's this, they're All
this emptiness there's still

539
00:29:20,900 --> 00:29:25,300
this loss that we feel from 9/11
and that void is not been filled

540
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,900
and so she's a really great
representation of that and I

541
00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:30,300
think Chastain just freaking
knocks it out of the park in

542
00:29:30,308 --> 00:29:32,400
that scene man.
Yeah she does.

543
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,800
I mean honestly it reminds me a
ton of the ending of The Social

544
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,400
Network.
Mmm, we're like, you're just

545
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,700
sitting with the character and
it's like, all right, we just

546
00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:45,500
accomplished all this stuff.
We did all these great things.

547
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:51,000
But who am I at the end of this
was like, what's next?

548
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,700
What did, what am I going to
turn into?

549
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:58,200
And I think that that's like
Probably one of my favorite, I

550
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,800
don't know.
I'm gonna call it a Trope, like,

551
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:04,500
one of my favorite tropes from
Hollywood is like, okay, we

552
00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:07,400
obviously made this movie about
a specific event because that's

553
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,900
what's interesting, but as with
everybody's life, there's going

554
00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:14,500
to be really interesting parts
of our lives.

555
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:17,300
But those times are going to
end.

556
00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:21,600
Like at a certain point the
honeymoon, you know, if you get

557
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,400
married your honeymoon ends and
you go back to work and you

558
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,500
learn how to live with you or
now spouse and and like the the

559
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:31,400
rest of time is trying to figure
out.

560
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,900
Okay what do we do next?
And I think that's a really

561
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:36,700
important question that we
should be asking ourselves as

562
00:30:36,700 --> 00:30:39,900
human beings.
That a lot of times I try to run

563
00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:43,700
away from, I don't want to think
about like the boringness of

564
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:45,900
life, it date.
To day life.

565
00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:49,200
But but movies like this kind of
force you to reckon with that of

566
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,100
like, okay, this important thing
ended.

567
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,900
Who am I?
Where am I going?

568
00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:56,400
What am I doing?
And what's next?

569
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,700
You're absolutely right though,
man.

570
00:30:57,700 --> 00:31:02,200
Like the sub genre of movie,
that is, you know, ambiguous

571
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,100
ending where the character is
now morally lost and doesn't

572
00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:08,100
know where to go from here.
Yeah, he is like, you know,

573
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:10,600
because obviously it reminded me
of the end of up in the air

574
00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:13,800
because it's set on a plane.
But that, you know, when when

575
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,400
the pilot finally comes out,
Tells George Clooney, like

576
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,300
you're in the Diamond Club, now,
or whatever.

577
00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:20,700
Where do you want to go?
And he just doesn't know what to

578
00:31:20,708 --> 00:31:24,800
say and then the movie ends with
him looking at that board of

579
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,200
departures at the airport and
just being like, you know, one

580
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,600
of the lights that you see above
you tonight will be my wing tip

581
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,400
and you just don't know where
he's going to go from here.

582
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,300
Yeah, and I do, I love movies
like this man because it's

583
00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:40,400
always like, just such a gut
punch at to end the film.

584
00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:43,700
And like I said, man, Chastain
gets nominated for best actress

585
00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:46,600
for this movie and she She
absolutely deserves it.

586
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,800
It's a great performance.
Yeah.

587
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,300
Do you know who won that year
for actress?

588
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:54,300
Who won that year for actors
like that?

589
00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:56,000
Jennifer Lawrence.
Oh yeah.

590
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,100
For Silver.
Linings Playbook.

591
00:31:57,100 --> 00:32:01,800
Yeah, which I have seen.
I think I'd lean towards

592
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:07,400
Chastain and oh, I agree 100%.
Yeah or a manual Reva in a more

593
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,600
obviously.
Yes.

594
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,700
And she also gets caught at the
end of that movie.

595
00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:14,800
Shit.
All right.

596
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,700
Brad.
It's time for us to hit pause at

597
00:32:16,708 --> 00:32:18,900
this point because this is going
to go off the rails.

598
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:21,100
I'll very quickly if we don't
stop here.

599
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:24,500
Let's drink some whiskey, man.
It's time we get into this David

600
00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:29,900
Nicholson Reserve, what do you
say that caught with a pillow?

601
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,300
140.
You got me.

602
00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:36,300
Good with that.
Let's go drink some whiskey.

603
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,500
Alright so today we are checking
out David Nicholson Reserve,

604
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,800
this is a 100 Proof bourbon
whiskey, that comes to us from

605
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,500
the Luxe.
Go company also known as Lux

606
00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:56,200
row.
Lux Co built a Distillery back

607
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,700
in and 2017. 2018 2019,
somewhere in there, called Lux

608
00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:05,000
row, they already twenty twenty
Twenty-One twenty-two who it is.

609
00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:09,100
Who's to say who's to say?
They produce one of our favorite

610
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,500
lines of whiskey, which is Rebel
bourbon mirror Dear to my heart,

611
00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:16,800
my favorite brand of whiskey
pound for pound on the market.

612
00:33:17,300 --> 00:33:20,500
And this is another of their
sourced products.

613
00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:21,900
So they didn't start distilling
their own stuff.

614
00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:24,600
Until just a couple years ago,
they have been rumored to have

615
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,500
just the best relationship with
Heaven Hill.

616
00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:31,400
Most of their sourced stuff
reportedly reputedly comes from

617
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,300
Heaven Hill and this is among
those.

618
00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:37,800
So David Nicholson is a brand
that was apparently very

619
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,400
Regional and it has like a kind
of a BS marketing story behind

620
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,500
it of like, oh this, this Man
made his own whiskey and passed

621
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:48,800
his recipe down for generations.
And so they took this brand that

622
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,600
was I think in the st.
Louis region.

623
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,800
They expanded it to National
Distribution and they're

624
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,100
sourcing likely Heaven Hill,
whiskey to do it.

625
00:33:58,300 --> 00:34:00,800
There's two Whiskey's bottled
under the David Nicholson.

626
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,700
Label one is called, I believe
1843, that is a weeded Bourbon.

627
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,200
And then, there is the David
Nicholson Reserve, which is what

628
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,699
we're drinking today.
This is a high ribe Urban Brad.

629
00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:13,900
But again, we have no idea where
it comes from wink, wink.

630
00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:16,600
We have no idea what the mash
bill is for real, for real.

631
00:34:16,699 --> 00:34:18,400
So, that's all I have to say
about it.

632
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:23,400
Brad I like that.
You're caveats are wink, wink.

633
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:29,600
And for real for real, keeping
it classy here at the filming,

634
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,300
whiskey podcast.
This might be a first for the

635
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:35,000
season Brad, you.
And I are both trying this live,

636
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,000
usually you drink yours before
we hit record.

637
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,699
I like to just kind of do mine
in the moment and just kind of

638
00:34:39,699 --> 00:34:42,800
feeling feel nice and loose
about it, but we're both doing

639
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,400
this right now in the moment.
I'm nosing this and I really

640
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,600
love the nose on this man.
Oh yeah, I think it's a really

641
00:34:49,699 --> 00:34:52,800
Solid nose for me, it's a little
bit nutty.

642
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:56,400
There's some cherry that comes
through a little bit of like an

643
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,900
allspice and then like, the the
longer I've sat with it, the

644
00:34:59,900 --> 00:35:02,600
more you get some of those
caramel and vanilla notes coming

645
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,800
out?
I think it's, I think it's

646
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,900
pretty solid not complex enough
for me to give it a high score,

647
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:12,900
but I'll give it a 7 out of 10.
This is a complete aside, but

648
00:35:12,900 --> 00:35:17,100
right now, I'm tasting out of a,
like a mini Glencairn a we

649
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:19,500
Glencairn as they're called a
weekend.

650
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:22,100
It's what we got when we went to
the Kentucky Bourbon Festival

651
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:25,300
last year, Brad, and my aside is
to ask you this.

652
00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:28,200
Have you noticed a difference in
The Taste when you drink out of

653
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,300
a regular sized Glencairn versus
the we Glencairn?

654
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,800
I'm going to be really snobby
for a second Bob.

655
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:37,900
I don't drink whiskey out of
anything other than a Glencairn.

656
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:41,100
Well, this is the Glencairn.
It's just mini-sized man.

657
00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:44,100
Yeah, I that's not a Glencairn
Bob, it's like all those

658
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:47,000
pictures in like, when Andre the
Giant would have like a beer can

659
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,400
in his hand.
That's what I feel like right

660
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:53,900
now with Yes, 100%.
So anyway, I say all that

661
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:56,400
because the notes that I'm
getting on, the nose of this are

662
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,400
very different than the ones
you're getting, and I'm getting

663
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,100
a lot more of the brighter
fruity notes.

664
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:04,400
There's a ton of green apple on
this for me and actually got a

665
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,800
really specific candy memory and
it's those Sweet Tarts.

666
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:12,400
Like the chewy Sweet Tarts that
have like the inside of them as

667
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,400
white.
Those are the best.

668
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:19,400
There is like a very specific
almost sour powdery fruitiness

669
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,800
to this that I really really
dig.

670
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,500
The only thing is for being a
reportedly High Rye bourbon.

671
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:27,400
I get almost no Rye on this
nose.

672
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,700
Yeah, I don't get it either.
Bob, I do have a question for

673
00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:32,500
you.
Mmm.

674
00:36:32,700 --> 00:36:36,500
Do you own a Glencairn?
Oh, I own like 15 Glen Karen's

675
00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:38,800
then why aren't you drinking out
of one of those?

676
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,600
Because dude is just next to my
computer.

677
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:48,400
I'm just curious.
I like if you had like two in

678
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,700
there, both in the washer.
But all right, let me go get a

679
00:36:50,707 --> 00:36:53,800
Glencairn while you while you
Vamp and give us more.

680
00:36:55,100 --> 00:36:59,000
Oh man.
So yeah, so the palette here is

681
00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:03,800
really interesting for me it
Dives very heavily into the

682
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:10,000
world of cherry and I'm honestly
not getting very much Riot.

683
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,400
All like Bob I know that you
said that this is a high ride

684
00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:19,500
bourbon but for me It's almost
like a cherry cordial like a

685
00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:25,200
chocolate cherry cordial.
There's a little bit of vanilla

686
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,600
that pops in.
It's nice and creamy.

687
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,900
I like this flavor a lot.
I'm a little annoyed that it's a

688
00:37:31,908 --> 00:37:34,000
high Ryan.
I'm not getting really any Rye

689
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,500
because I like Rye a lot.
I think.

690
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:38,500
I'll give it a seven and a half
on the taste.

691
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,400
It's solid.
I like what's going on here, but

692
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,800
nothing that's like really
standing out for me.

693
00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:48,100
This is by far our most chaotic
Whiskey Review of all time.

694
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:50,500
I really did get up and go get a
Glencairn.

695
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:53,700
And so I came back when you were
halfway through talking and I

696
00:37:53,700 --> 00:37:57,300
heard chocolate cherry cordial,
that was the first thing I heard

697
00:37:57,500 --> 00:38:00,800
now, I'm still nosing this and I
get that a lot in a Glencairn.

698
00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:02,200
I really it's like milk
chocolate.

699
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,500
With that kind of sickly syrupy.
Sweet.

700
00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:07,200
Cherry thing inside of it.
I will say Brad.

701
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,800
Neither of us actually gave this
a score on the nose yet so I

702
00:38:10,808 --> 00:38:11,700
did.
I give it a 7.

703
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,300
You give it a seven.
Alright, I'm going to give it a

704
00:38:13,300 --> 00:38:16,600
seven and a half on the nose.
I'm going to take a sip so that

705
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,600
I I'm finally give it a taste
score but to prevent our

706
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,400
listeners from being bored,
listening to me, smack my lips,

707
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:24,500
go ahead and give it your finish
score.

708
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,400
And then I'll come in and give
Casey and finish.

709
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:33,200
For me, on the finish.
It kind of So ours is not the

710
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:38,100
right word so ours is a very
specific feeling that you know

711
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:42,700
it when you taste it I feel like
when whiskeys are overly oked

712
00:38:42,700 --> 00:38:45,800
they kind of sour at the end.
That's not what's happening

713
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:50,100
here.
I guess it Bob that when you

714
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:53,600
described it as that kind of
sickly Sweet Cherry interior.

715
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,300
I feel like that is just
lingering on your palette and

716
00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:02,700
I'm not a huge fan.
I think I'll give it a six out

717
00:39:02,700 --> 00:39:06,300
of ten on the finish.
So on the taste, everything you

718
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:08,000
got.
I'm getting like, I get the, the

719
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,300
milk chocolate.
I get the like, the whole cherry

720
00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:11,800
cordial thing is really
prominent here.

721
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,300
There's a little bit of vanilla,
but it's almost like an

722
00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:16,200
artificial vanilla extract for
me.

723
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,500
A lot of that fruitiness went
away and it is kind of in that

724
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:23,200
more milk chocolate range.
When you go to swallow and on

725
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:28,300
the Finish it's got a ton of Oak
and Char on it like a lot and

726
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:31,300
rad I don't know if it's just
that like you know I Kind of

727
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:33,500
took a break from drinking
whiskey in the month between

728
00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:37,600
Seasons, but I feel like, I
don't know, like five or six of

729
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,800
the nine whiskies we've had at
this point have had that really,

730
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,400
really strong Oak Char character
to them and I will say that

731
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,600
among them, this one doesn't
lean into just like, hey,

732
00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:53,500
cigarette, Ash on your tongue.
This one like it has that, but

733
00:39:53,500 --> 00:39:56,700
then, it kind of undercuts it
with that sickly syrupy, Sweet

734
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,100
Cherry so that, it almost in the
balance ends up tasting kind of

735
00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:03,600
like the The lingering
aftertaste of like, Robitussin.

736
00:40:04,100 --> 00:40:06,300
Hmm, like a little bit sweeter
though.

737
00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:09,200
I don't hate it.
And I really thought that I

738
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,300
would I'm gonna give it a seven
and a half on the taste.

739
00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:13,900
I'm going to give it a seven on
the Finish.

740
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:20,100
Yeah, honestly, this weirdly
reminds me of the Nomad out land

741
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,900
which is not as good.
Like the like The Nomad Outland

742
00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:29,000
had a weirdly sweet cherry
flavor to it and it was

743
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,100
incredible.
This one feels Similar but just

744
00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:33,900
doesn't quite pull it off as
well.

745
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,700
I think for balance, I'll give
it a six and a half, like there

746
00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:39,700
are some good flavors going on
here.

747
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:44,200
I just don't know if they're all
mixing super well, especially as

748
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,500
I take a step back and just
consider the flavors that are

749
00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:51,700
left on my palate.
It's decent, but not great.

750
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,500
I'm also going to give it a six
and a half on balance and I know

751
00:40:54,500 --> 00:40:57,800
that it sounds weird because I
gave each component a higher

752
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,000
score than this but I think when
you take the sum of the The

753
00:41:01,008 --> 00:41:04,100
parts and ends up being less
than each of them, you know what

754
00:41:04,100 --> 00:41:06,000
I mean?
Like it's just an okay, whiskey,

755
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,400
it's pretty good.
On second sip, that finish gets

756
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,300
a little bit more bitter and a
little bit less palatable.

757
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:15,600
I'm not going to go back and
amend my finish score but in

758
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,700
terms of overall balance, I
think the whole experience, you

759
00:41:18,700 --> 00:41:21,600
know, taken as a cohesive whole
is just a 6 and a half for me.

760
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,300
Yeah, it's a little bit
disappointing.

761
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,200
When you come to Value, this
bottle will can be sold in the

762
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,300
state of Ohio for $40.
H.

763
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:36,700
Hm. and I, Bob, this isn't a 40
dollar whisk.

764
00:41:36,700 --> 00:41:38,700
No, it's not.
I mean, here's the thing.

765
00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:41,900
Like if we knew a little bit
more about it maybe we could

766
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:45,300
justify the price a bit like.
How old is this whiskey?

767
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,200
We don't know.
I mean, it's got to be at least

768
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,500
4 years old because I don't see
an age statement on this bottle.

769
00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:53,900
But, you know, if it was like a
six to eight year bourbon, I'd

770
00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:57,600
be like okay $40 makes more
sense, it's a hundred proof so

771
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,000
like I get that but it's not
bottled in bond, it's just a

772
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,400
hundred proof.
So that tells me that they're

773
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,100
blending a whole bunch of stuff
together to Come out with this

774
00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:08,600
and at the you know, at that
price point I just you can get a

775
00:42:08,607 --> 00:42:11,400
lot better stuff for $40.
I think when it first came out

776
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,800
it was retailing at 35 and that
made it kind of like a oh this

777
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,800
is something different from Lux
row that an approachable price

778
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,300
in mind, paying a little bit
more to get something kind of

779
00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:24,600
off the beaten path but at 40
it's just a little bit.

780
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,200
It has better competition.
I'm going to give this a five

781
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,200
and a half on value.
Yeah I give it a four and a half

782
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,400
on value.
Wow.

783
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:38,100
Bob my toe.
What is coming out to a 31.5 out

784
00:42:38,100 --> 00:42:41,400
of 50?
Brad, I'm going to 34 out of 50

785
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:48,000
so we're only coming out to a
65.5 out of 100 or a 32 point 75

786
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,000
out of 50.
I think that's a pretty like a

787
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,400
pretty accurate score honestly.
Yeah, it's like right at the

788
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,400
point where it's not bad, it's
not a bad whiskey.

789
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,200
I just don't think I'm going to
recommend it because it doesn't

790
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,400
really do anything to stand out.
Whether it's on the nose, As the

791
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,000
taste of finish, there's no real
component of this that I would

792
00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:11,800
recommend to somebody even if
it's not a bad whiskey.

793
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:16,600
Yeah, I would put it in the
category of like a cc + whiskey

794
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:21,200
that you don't need to spend $40
on and you don't need to spend

795
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,800
six bucks on it for a poor of
the bar either.

796
00:43:24,300 --> 00:43:26,700
Yeah, I mean it's like yeah,
it's a two and a half Star

797
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:29,600
movie, you know, it's like yeah
you don't, you don't really

798
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,900
regret spending your money on it
and it was pleasant enough.

799
00:43:32,900 --> 00:43:34,600
But you know that by the time
you Get home.

800
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,500
You're going to forget about it,
just one of those.

801
00:43:37,700 --> 00:43:41,600
Yeah, good drink rubble.
Go drink Rebel every day, all

802
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,000
day every day.
Yeah man, I won't say that.

803
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,200
I'm disappointed.
Like it, like, it was fine but I

804
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,000
yeah, I'm with you.
I'm not going to recommend it.

805
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:52,200
All right, Brad, let's get back
into talking about Zero.

806
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,600
Dark.
Thirty, what do you say?

807
00:43:54,200 --> 00:44:00,900
Let's get to it.
All right, everybody that was

808
00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:05,000
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809
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:10,200
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810
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:15,200
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811
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830
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Right now that's sending me

831
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,200
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834
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:26,800
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839
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,700
favorite segments.
Now it's time for Canada's

840
00:45:40,700 --> 00:45:46,200
favorite segments to fax in a
falsehood is gonna try to stop

841
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:51,000
you ball, all right.
And what is wrong?

842
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:56,500
Two facts and a falsehood to
facts in a Third is the part of

843
00:45:56,500 --> 00:46:00,600
the podcast where Brad presents
three items to me as fact, one

844
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,900
of which he has completely made
up and it's my job to figure out

845
00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:08,800
which one is the LIE Brad, there
is, I feel like we both had to

846
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,000
do at least some amount of
research on this movie just to

847
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,500
understand the context into
which it was released.

848
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,800
Like we both seem pretty
familiar with the controversies

849
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,200
surrounding it.
So I'm really interested to see

850
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,000
what you're going to pull out
for your two facts in a

851
00:46:22,008 --> 00:46:25,400
falsehood.
Well just just you wait.

852
00:46:25,500 --> 00:46:28,900
Bob they're pretty incredible
facts.

853
00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:33,100
Number one, the man who killed
Bin Laden, Robert O'Neill wrote

854
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:36,800
in his autobiography, the
operator that the real-life CIA

855
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,900
operative that Jessica Chastain
Petraeus was the bravest woman.

856
00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:43,300
He has ever met fact.
Number two, Jessica Chastain's

857
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:46,900
character was based on a
real-life CIA analyst who was

858
00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:49,400
single-minded in her Devotion to
finding Bin Laden.

859
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,400
But was actually killed in a
raid on the US Embassy in

860
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,100
Pakistan before, the job was
finished.

861
00:46:56,100 --> 00:46:58,800
Fact, number 3, Jessica
Chastain's agents originally

862
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,500
declined, the role of Maya for
her producer.

863
00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:05,300
Megan Ellison who had worked
with Chastain on Lawless, gave

864
00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:08,200
Kathryn Bigelow Chastain's phone
number, so that she could

865
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,700
personally offer the roll.
Oh, interesting.

866
00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:19,600
Hmm, I do remember reading that
somebody had been identified as

867
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:25,000
the source, or at least one of
the sources for Maya in this

868
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,100
movie.
I don't remember reading that

869
00:47:27,100 --> 00:47:31,800
she had been killed, so to
immediately jumps out to me as a

870
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,700
potential falsehood.
Number three, sounds pretty

871
00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:37,200
plausible number once,
definitely sounds plausible.

872
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:39,500
Although I don't know the name
of the guy who actually killed

873
00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:41,700
Bin Laden so maybe You made that
up who's to say?

874
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:44,900
I think I'm going to just go
with my gut on this one Brad and

875
00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:48,900
say that to is the falsehood
just because I don't remember

876
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:56,100
reading that that person had
died Bob you are 100% correct.

877
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,100
All right yeah I'm telling you
what man the victories this

878
00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:03,200
season have been hard fought and
few and far between.

879
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,200
So I will take one when I can
get one.

880
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,000
Yeah, I say this is what our
third season of doing two facts

881
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,400
in a falsehood, I think, so,
Yes, I'm getting.

882
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,200
I'm a seasoned veteran at this
point Bob.

883
00:48:14,700 --> 00:48:17,200
I'm not squeamish anymore about
the torture that you put me

884
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:22,500
through, there it is.
Yeah, I watched a few videos of

885
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:25,900
Robert O'Neill.
The the gentleman who killed

886
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:33,200
there are sorry who caught Osama
Bin Laden, and he is a very

887
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,600
interesting human being and he
like, I don't know.

888
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,400
There's part of me that, you
know, we talked about the

889
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,900
controversy earlier about, you
know, how our, how were they

890
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:45,100
able to find out the things they
found out about what happened?

891
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,300
This students just out there
like, yeah, after I, after I

892
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:51,700
caught Osama, I like, picked up
his two-year-old son and gave

893
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:55,100
him to his mom.
And I'm like, oh, you're like

894
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:58,200
just a lot to talk about
anything at this point, you

895
00:48:58,207 --> 00:49:00,100
know, it's funny.
You say that because and I

896
00:49:00,107 --> 00:49:02,500
wasn't able to go far enough
down the rabbit hole in

897
00:49:02,500 --> 00:49:06,800
researching this out, but I feel
like the existence of this

898
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,600
movie, kind of accelerated, how
quickly?

899
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:16,200
They Declassified this story
because like I remember every

900
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,100
single person in Seal Team Six
wrote a book at some point.

901
00:49:19,100 --> 00:49:20,900
Like it just it seemed like for
a year.

902
00:49:21,300 --> 00:49:22,800
It was like they Declassified
it.

903
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,300
And then everybody wrote a book
about SEAL Team Six and what

904
00:49:25,300 --> 00:49:26,100
they did.
Yeah.

905
00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:30,400
And I can't help but think that
that's pretty much solely

906
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,200
because this movie came out and
they needed to either

907
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,500
corroborate, it or refute.
It, it's just interesting to me

908
00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:40,500
that like a movie like this kind
of drove policy in that way not

909
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:41,000
possible.
Policy.

910
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,100
Now, you know what I mean?
Like the the the classification

911
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,700
of highly sensitive materials
and whether or not the public

912
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:50,100
would get to know any of it.
Yeah.

913
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,300
Well I mean, as we know, with
with mr.

914
00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:54,900
Trump and mr.
Biden president could just

915
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:58,200
declassify whatever he wants,
just anything and everything

916
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,200
will even classified.
Absolutely Osama.

917
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,400
Bin Laden Declassified.
All right, Brad.

918
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,600
I think we should talk a little
bit about the other actors in

919
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,300
this movie.
And it's going to be pretty

920
00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:10,200
quick because everybody kind of
plays.

921
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:14,500
They're Little role in, what is
essentially, my has bigger

922
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:18,600
story, but it's worth noting
that a lot of these actors were

923
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,300
either like semi-famous or just
getting famous.

924
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:24,600
Like, you know, Chris Pratt.
I remember, like, I vividly

925
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,300
remember seeing the trailer for
this movie in front of every

926
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:31,700
important movie in 2012.
And there's a moment where they

927
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:36,000
clip out the him saying like you
really think it's him Osama bin

928
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,400
ladin and it's the way he says
Bin Laden.

929
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,600
It is like edged into my Braille
Bilal Be on my deathbed.

930
00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:44,100
Yeah, forgetting the names of
everyone in my family and I'll

931
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:46,500
be thinking about Chris Pratt
saying that stupid line.

932
00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:51,100
But no, man, ever seen the movie
and like, I didn't really know

933
00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:53,800
who he was at that point because
I didn't watch Parks and Rec.

934
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,200
When it first came out, I caught
up with Parks and Rec later,

935
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:57,500
right?
Before it ended.

936
00:50:57,900 --> 00:51:01,100
And so I didn't know, Chris
Pratt, Joel Edgerton, I had only

937
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:03,900
seen in a couple movies to that
point, I think Warrior had just

938
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:05,800
come out a year before that
maybe.

939
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,300
So I kind of knew Joel,
Edgerton, Mark Strong, the very

940
00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:12,400
famous British actor.
You know, I kind of recognized

941
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,100
him as like, oh, is that all
British guy?

942
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,100
But honestly, it was only people
like Kyle Chandler and James

943
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:20,500
Gandolfini that I even
recognized in this movie.

944
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,600
And now I say go back and watch
it and I'm like, oh, I recognize

945
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:28,300
probably 13 people in this
movie, I go back and I recognize

946
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:33,500
Chris Pratt and Jessica Chastain
and Kyle Chandler because I

947
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:36,300
watch Friday Night Lights,
that's okay.

948
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:40,000
Hello and Harold Perrineau who
was in long-lost.

949
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,800
Yeah. well, okay, so the person
I wanted to call out was James

950
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,600
Gandolfini, because I thought
that it was is we've never

951
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,400
talked about him on this show
and it really sucks because he's

952
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,200
like, one of our great actors
and Gone Too Soon, it was so

953
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,100
good to see him pop up in a
movie and I just, I love

954
00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:59,000
watching that guy act, but are
you saying that you did not

955
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:04,200
recognize James Gandolfini Bob,
I'm looking at the cast on IMDb

956
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,200
right now, he doesn't even pop
up on the cast, like the main

957
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,200
cast list, if you have to click
see all too, CJ.

958
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,300
I mean he is a very small role
but like you what I'm asking you

959
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:17,600
is like when you saw him on
screen, did you know who he is?

960
00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:23,000
Now I know what his name is.
I couldn't pick him out of a

961
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,000
lineup.
I don't know what he's been in.

962
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,800
I'm not even going to say what?
Like Brad.

963
00:52:30,700 --> 00:52:33,900
I'm so excited so bad at you,
right?

964
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,000
Can you click on him?
Click on his IMDb and then you

965
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,700
go find it and then you'll go.
I'm like, oh I'm like scrolling

966
00:52:41,700 --> 00:52:47,900
through the IMDb actor page.
There's 112 results and I can't

967
00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:52,200
find every time I think that
like do plans learned things by

968
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,100
being on this podcast, with me,
you come back with like, oh, I

969
00:52:56,100 --> 00:53:00,300
don't know who Tony Soprano is.
I don't know what the television

970
00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:02,300
show.
The seminal piece of

971
00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:05,300
entertainment.
That is The Sopranos is like, I

972
00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:06,500
mean, I've heard of The
Sopranos.

973
00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:11,400
Oh my God, blow my mind, man.
Why would I watch The Sopranos?

974
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,800
They know what?
No, don't push me there today.

975
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,300
Brad, we're not good.
I just wanted to say I like to

976
00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:19,300
see him James Gandolfini.
I'm gonna, is he Sopranos as

977
00:53:19,300 --> 00:53:22,600
good as Breaking Bad.
It is, it is widely regarded,

978
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,600
like, along with breaking bad as
possibly the greatest television

979
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,000
show ever made.
I mean, if it's right there with

980
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,600
Breaking Bad, I'm sure to watch
it anyway.

981
00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:36,800
Brad who are some other people
in this movie that you would

982
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,600
like to call out for their
performances.

983
00:53:38,700 --> 00:53:43,500
However, All they might be.
Um, I really liked.

984
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,600
The British guy that you talked
about, he doesn't he play kind

985
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:54,800
of like the, the chief who she
keeps writing on his window.

986
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,200
Mark Strong.
Thank you, Mark Strong.

987
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,900
I liked him in this.
I think that he does a great job

988
00:53:59,900 --> 00:54:05,100
of illustrating the like the
plight of middle management.

989
00:54:06,700 --> 00:54:11,900
We're like he's he is 100% on my
aside and drying harness.

990
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:15,100
He's like yeah, he's like an
Area 51 at one point and then

991
00:54:15,100 --> 00:54:16,800
fly.
Going back to Pakistan and she's

992
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,900
just playing really writing on
his window.

993
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,700
Yeah.
And like she but he's like not

994
00:54:21,700 --> 00:54:25,100
allowed to show her that he's
doing everything he can to get

995
00:54:25,100 --> 00:54:27,500
this investigated.
Like he might not fully believe

996
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:30,400
that Bin Laden's there but he
knows something's up and so I

997
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,400
just I loved his performance
because he just plays that

998
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,900
middle manager role.
So incredibly well where he's

999
00:54:36,900 --> 00:54:41,000
keeping her at Bay and yet also
fighting his butt off to try and

1000
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:45,000
get the stuff she's figured out
investigating so I really liked

1001
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,800
him a lot.
Lat, I didn't like Chris Pratt

1002
00:54:48,500 --> 00:54:55,200
like he's just too fluffy for me
to believe that he's on Seal

1003
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,400
Team 6.
I don't know if that's like body

1004
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,100
shaming or something but I'm
just like looking at him.

1005
00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:05,500
I'm like well yeah I don't think
he would, you know, like

1006
00:55:05,500 --> 00:55:10,800
Star-Lord level Chris Pratt
could be unsealed Team 6, but

1007
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:15,500
like Parks and Rec Chris and
Pratt could not be unsealed Team

1008
00:55:15,500 --> 00:55:19,200
Six.
I'm not even gonna go there with

1009
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,400
that way, but I had Jason Clarke
cuz I didn't like him.

1010
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,900
Jason Clarke is an interesting
actor because like he's in this

1011
00:55:26,900 --> 00:55:28,400
movie.
See, he's in one of the, the new

1012
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,200
Planet of the Apes movies.
He does a few indie films that

1013
00:55:31,207 --> 00:55:35,600
are like really well regarded.
And then he's like poised to get

1014
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,200
really big and then he just kind
of doesn't and I've always

1015
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,700
really liked him as an actor.
I think he makes super

1016
00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:45,600
interesting choices and in this
movie He plays a very I don't

1017
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,800
even want to know if I want to
call him a complicated character

1018
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,200
because he's kind of
uncomplicated and very Steely.

1019
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,700
But it's interesting to go back
now because when I first watched

1020
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:57,100
this I was like that guy is
gonna be a movie.

1021
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,300
Star and it just like, never
really happened for him.

1022
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,000
Hmm.
Yeah, I think he's interesting

1023
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,100
in this.
I think his most interesting

1024
00:56:06,100 --> 00:56:11,500
moment is like completely
overlooked and it's when he

1025
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:17,000
disagrees with Maya in like the
big bang with with Tony Soprano

1026
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:23,900
and and he says 60% and like
Maya kind of looks at him and

1027
00:56:23,900 --> 00:56:27,000
then they never talk about it
again and I'm like that, like

1028
00:56:27,700 --> 00:56:32,400
That to me is a moment of
character development and it's

1029
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,000
just completely glossed over
because they have to get

1030
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:36,400
finished with their two
half-hour.

1031
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:37,800
Yeah, buddy.
That's a great point.

1032
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,900
I yeah, I think that is kind of
the stuff of why I think the

1033
00:56:41,900 --> 00:56:45,500
pacing is off in this film is
you don't get enough character

1034
00:56:45,500 --> 00:56:48,000
interaction between her and
people they've established as

1035
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:52,600
important like even even coach.
What's his face from Friday

1036
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,000
Night Lights?
Like they just kind of get rid

1037
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,200
of him halfway through the movie
and And he gets shipped off back

1038
00:56:58,200 --> 00:56:59,900
to America and you don't really
see him again.

1039
00:56:59,900 --> 00:57:02,500
And I'm like, why?
Like I want to see Jessica

1040
00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:05,500
Chastain like bounce off of
people more often.

1041
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,000
That's what she's most
interesting.

1042
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,700
And yet, they keep taking people
out of her way.

1043
00:57:08,700 --> 00:57:13,300
And they finally put a, put a
CIA Chief and tan like, in

1044
00:57:13,300 --> 00:57:16,300
charge of her that just says,
yeah, I learned that you should

1045
00:57:16,300 --> 00:57:18,500
do whatever you want.
So, go for it.

1046
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,100
Okay.
Brad, I love it when I can tell

1047
00:57:22,100 --> 00:57:24,700
that you're starting to get
either upset with the movie or

1048
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:27,200
just kind of digging your heels
in on a point that you've made

1049
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,100
because it start doubling down
on certain behaviors.

1050
00:57:30,100 --> 00:57:33,400
And one of those behaviors is
like you're not even trying to

1051
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,200
say people's names anymore.
Like you just referred to Mark

1052
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,900
Strong as that British guy.
You mentioned and you refer to

1053
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:42,300
Kyle Chandler as coach.
What's his face?

1054
00:57:42,900 --> 00:57:45,800
Well, I don't remember his name,
which is even better because not

1055
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,500
only did you not call him by his
real human name?

1056
00:57:48,700 --> 00:57:51,700
But But the thing you actually
associate him with which is

1057
00:57:51,700 --> 00:57:54,100
Friday Night Lights, you don't
even remember his name from that

1058
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:55,800
and you can't be bothered to
look up.

1059
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,100
Either of those things you just
say coach, what's his name?

1060
00:57:59,300 --> 00:58:01,800
And you know that I know who
you're talking about.

1061
00:58:02,700 --> 00:58:04,200
Oh Bob, I'm in the middle of a
rain.

1062
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,300
I don't have time to be clicking
through.

1063
00:58:06,300 --> 00:58:10,700
I am DB ohm and remember what
his name is in Friday Night

1064
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:14,500
Lights.
All right, man before we get out

1065
00:58:14,500 --> 00:58:16,900
of here, and before we paired,
this movie up with, let's make

1066
00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:19,100
it a double.
I want to talk really briefly

1067
00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:21,400
about Kathryn Bigelow's
directing style.

1068
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,700
So we're two movies in with her.
We're going to throw it all the

1069
00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:27,600
way back to 1992 with Point
Break next week.

1070
00:58:27,700 --> 00:58:29,900
Which is a much more
conventional, you know, kind of

1071
00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:31,600
in the vein of The Hurt Locker
it tells a much more

1072
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,100
conventional narrative story and
it is much more Hollywood.

1073
00:58:35,100 --> 00:58:39,000
I used in terms of its look and
feel even in The Hurt Locker is

1074
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,900
and so I guess I'm wondering
Brad after two movies.

1075
00:58:41,900 --> 00:58:48,100
Do you feel like you have a
grasp on her style on her themes

1076
00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:51,100
like on her?
Dual sense as a director yet or

1077
00:58:51,100 --> 00:58:54,100
do you think you need another
movie to try to make that

1078
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:57,200
determination?
Yeah, I feel like it's hard to

1079
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,200
say that.
I would have a grasp on it

1080
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:06,900
because of how specific her Furs
to movies are like even though.

1081
00:59:06,900 --> 00:59:11,700
Yes they are different genres.
Like 100% hurt locker and this

1082
00:59:11,700 --> 00:59:14,700
one as you said to the the top
of this episode are very

1083
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:19,600
different, genre movies.
And yet they are both about the

1084
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,300
same thing.
They're both about the results

1085
00:59:22,300 --> 00:59:26,800
of 9/11 and what America did in
response to that.

1086
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,400
And so I feel like they're both
similar enough in that sense.

1087
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:35,600
That the idea that this woman
also directed a movie about

1088
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,800
surfers who commit bank
robberies.

1089
00:59:39,500 --> 00:59:42,200
I mean, let's just say I'm
intrigued to see the hard left.

1090
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:48,300
Turn were I'm to take also.
His name is coach Taylor so

1091
00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:49,800
there it is.
Yeah you're welcome.

1092
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,500
It was better when it was coach.
What's his face?

1093
00:59:52,700 --> 00:59:56,200
So Kathryn Bigelow does not get
nominated for best director in

1094
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,900
this year, for zero-dark,
thirty, which I think is really

1095
00:59:58,900 --> 01:00:01,100
fascinating.
This was the subject again of

1096
01:00:01,100 --> 01:00:03,600
some controversy.
And I don't know if you've

1097
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,300
talked about this Brad, but this
was the year that are go, came

1098
01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:08,400
out and Argo goes on to win best
picture.

1099
01:00:08,900 --> 01:00:11,700
Ben Affleck.
This was like his big comeback

1100
01:00:11,700 --> 01:00:14,800
movie as a director and people
were starting to give him his

1101
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,800
flowers and then he wins like
the Directors Guild award.

1102
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,900
And then for some reason, he
doesn't even get nominated for

1103
01:00:20,900 --> 01:00:24,800
the Oscar and that's kind of how
our go takes pole position.

1104
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,500
At the Oscars is that people
were rallying around Ben Affleck

1105
01:00:28,500 --> 01:00:30,400
and basically being like, well
if it's not going to win best

1106
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,700
director, like let's give it
best picture and so I can't

1107
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:38,400
remember a year where there were
two bigger omissions in the best

1108
01:00:38,500 --> 01:00:41,900
director category because I'm
looking at the list now and a

1109
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:43,900
couple of these people.
I'm like, yes, I absolutely

1110
01:00:43,900 --> 01:00:47,000
think they belong here but to
leave Kathryn.

1111
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,200
Bigelow out of this I think, is
kind of a staggering Omission

1112
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,900
because this is as well.
Directed, if not better.

1113
01:00:53,900 --> 01:00:57,600
Well, if not better directed,
then The Hurt Locker was.

1114
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,900
Yeah, I think it is.
Well, I don't know if I think it

1115
01:01:01,900 --> 01:01:05,200
is.
Maybe I need to ponder that Bob.

1116
01:01:05,900 --> 01:01:07,300
She should have at least been
nominated.

1117
01:01:07,300 --> 01:01:10,100
I guess is what I'm saying?
No, I'm with you.

1118
01:01:10,100 --> 01:01:13,000
This is a high enough quality
movie that it deserves a

1119
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,900
nomination.
I think that 2010 was a weaker

1120
01:01:16,900 --> 01:01:20,300
year for the Oscars.
And so I think that makes sense

1121
01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:23,400
that she would win that year as
opposed to this year.

1122
01:01:27,500 --> 01:01:31,200
Do I think that this is better
directed than I?

1123
01:01:31,207 --> 01:01:35,000
Just think when you think about
like she said they shot two

1124
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,400
million feet of film on this
movie and like who all of the

1125
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:42,000
tiny little scenes that they had
to do like an entire, you know,

1126
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,500
get an entire crowd shot, just
for like a five-second insert of

1127
01:01:45,700 --> 01:01:48,700
somebody getting followed
through a crowd or all of the

1128
01:01:48,700 --> 01:01:51,200
Drone footage.
All of the night-vision footage

1129
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:56,600
like the the entire half hour
long assault on that complex is

1130
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,800
such a way.
Well, directed piece of action

1131
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,600
Cinema.
Like, I just yeah, I don't know,

1132
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,500
man.
Like I think sometimes we look

1133
01:02:03,500 --> 01:02:06,200
at action movies, especially
movies like this that are very

1134
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,300
big in scope and we don't, we
don't really think about just

1135
01:02:09,300 --> 01:02:14,200
how big the scope is.
I've, I have now seen after last

1136
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,900
week, I have now seen the movie
Top Gun Maverick five times in

1137
01:02:17,900 --> 01:02:22,100
theaters Brad, and I'm like,
it's quite a few times.

1138
01:02:22,100 --> 01:02:24,800
This is one of the best directed
movies I've seen in a long time

1139
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,900
and certainly one of the best
edited because there's just A

1140
01:02:27,900 --> 01:02:31,000
mountain of stuff to stitch
together and the fact that it

1141
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,000
even can be coherent at the end
of it.

1142
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,600
I think is like a miracle in
itself and I kind of feel that

1143
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:40,800
way with this movie too.
Yeah, I think you're probably

1144
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,500
right.
I think that I'm holding the

1145
01:02:43,500 --> 01:02:47,300
length of the movie against it,
but when you break down each

1146
01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:53,100
individual sketch, if you will,
and I will say the, the whole

1147
01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:57,400
naming each like, yeah, crime of
that.

1148
01:02:57,700 --> 01:03:00,900
Not a fan at all.
Like honestly I wish that they

1149
01:03:00,900 --> 01:03:04,900
just put up the year like now
it's now it's 2006.

1150
01:03:04,900 --> 01:03:07,300
Yep.
You know Pat a Pockets down with

1151
01:03:07,300 --> 01:03:09,600
that's where we are now.
Like That would have been much

1152
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:14,400
better, but when you, when you
look at each individual little

1153
01:03:14,700 --> 01:03:18,300
vignette, they're pretty
incredible dude.

1154
01:03:18,500 --> 01:03:20,000
Yeah.
And I think this would be a

1155
01:03:20,008 --> 01:03:23,700
movie worth watching in two
sittings and I feel like I would

1156
01:03:23,700 --> 01:03:26,500
rarely say that but this is one
where like, when you hit the end

1157
01:03:26,500 --> 01:03:29,100
of one of the vignettes like
halfway through, I think it

1158
01:03:29,100 --> 01:03:32,800
would almost be worth taking a
night off and finishing it the

1159
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,100
next day.
Yeah, I'm actually I'm right

1160
01:03:35,100 --> 01:03:38,300
there with you and I think that
is a perfect segue into our

1161
01:03:38,300 --> 01:03:41,700
final Women of the day which we
call, let's make it a double we

1162
01:03:41,700 --> 01:03:45,100
near the end of the episode.
So thanks for listening to the

1163
01:03:45,100 --> 01:03:47,800
film and whiskey show.
Let's pair another film with

1164
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,400
this one.
Even if it's struggle, it's a

1165
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,400
final segment of the day.
Now let's make it a double.

1166
01:03:52,500 --> 01:03:54,900
Let's make it a double as the
part of the show, where we pick

1167
01:03:54,900 --> 01:03:58,300
a movie to pair up with this one
to make the perfect double

1168
01:03:58,300 --> 01:04:01,100
feature.
Brad, I'll let you go first, but

1169
01:04:01,100 --> 01:04:03,900
I D, I do think I have a couple
of movies in mind for this one.

1170
01:04:04,900 --> 01:04:09,400
And I am, I'm not going to lie,
I think I'm pretty incredible

1171
01:04:09,500 --> 01:04:12,200
at.
Let's make it a double this

1172
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,100
week.
I'm coming up short.

1173
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:19,000
I literally can't think of a
movie that I'm just, like hands

1174
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,200
down.
This is a perfect fit for this

1175
01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:26,900
as it is.
I think I'm going to go with the

1176
01:04:26,900 --> 01:04:30,600
Jason Bourne, The Bourne
Identity?

1177
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,800
Hmm.
I do think that it is, you know,

1178
01:04:33,808 --> 01:04:36,400
the Bourne Identity.
Is much more of a classic

1179
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:41,800
Thriller drama type of movie.
But I think that there's enough

1180
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,800
of the same blood running
through its veins, that it would

1181
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:50,800
make for a really fun night to
go from this into a little bit.

1182
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,400
Lighter hearted Bourne,
Identity, Mmm.

1183
01:04:54,100 --> 01:04:55,400
Yeah, man.
I think it's a great pic.

1184
01:04:55,500 --> 01:04:57,700
I, you know, I, when I was
watching this movie, once again,

1185
01:04:57,700 --> 01:05:03,200
I was really blown away at what
a matter of fact, filmmaker

1186
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,400
Kathryn Bigelow.
It's like the way she shoots the

1187
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:10,500
action in this movie is very
rarely like I want to say

1188
01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:14,100
artistic, but it's not like,
it's not meant to be aesthetic.

1189
01:05:14,100 --> 01:05:17,100
It's meant to be functional.
And I think once again I said

1190
01:05:17,100 --> 01:05:20,300
this last week, she reminds me a
lot of Ridley Scott in the way

1191
01:05:20,300 --> 01:05:22,200
that she shoot some of her
action scenes and that, and

1192
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,300
Black Hawk Down, I think is
really like a pretty major

1193
01:05:25,300 --> 01:05:28,400
influence on this movie.
I'm not going to go with Black

1194
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,400
Hawk Down though.
I think the movie that I've that

1195
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:31,400
would make them more
interesting.

1196
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,300
Double feature is a movie by
Steven.

1197
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,900
Soderberg called traffic
smoothie came out in the year

1198
01:05:37,900 --> 01:05:42,000
2000 and it is one of the first
kind of like shaky cam movies,

1199
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:48,400
but it also tells this huge
episodic Anthology almost and

1200
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:52,100
it's about the war against drugs
in America and in the Mexican

1201
01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:55,700
cartels and it follows like
three or four different groups

1202
01:05:55,700 --> 01:05:58,300
of people.
And I think that the way that

1203
01:05:58,300 --> 01:06:03,200
movie is structured, the rhythm
of that movie is so similar to

1204
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,400
Zero.
Dark Thirty They tell completely

1205
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:10,200
different stories but they're so
similar like rhythmically that I

1206
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,300
think that would make a really,
really interesting double

1207
01:06:12,300 --> 01:06:16,000
feature brother I'm looking at
the cast for traffic.

1208
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,100
It is like Peak 2000.
So it's a great, Michael

1209
01:06:19,100 --> 01:06:23,400
Michael, Douglas, Catherine
Zeta-Jones, Dennis Quaid, like

1210
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,500
that needs to be dealt or a man
Benicio.

1211
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,500
Don Cheadle, that's a lineup
right there, man.

1212
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,600
It's a good movie.
Yeah, I'm down.

1213
01:06:31,700 --> 01:06:32,600
Let's watch it.
Sometime.

1214
01:06:33,100 --> 01:06:34,500
All right, so that's what we
have for Less.

1215
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,100
Make it a double Brad's going
with the Bourne Identity.

1216
01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:41,700
I am going with traffic and now
it's time for our final scores,

1217
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:43,400
Brad.
I don't think we need to belabor

1218
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,800
this point anymore.
I'm going to give it an eight

1219
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,400
and a half.
I think that Part of me wants to

1220
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:53,300
give it an eight but I respect
the swing of this movie and I

1221
01:06:53,308 --> 01:06:58,900
respect how much the sheer
volume of this movie is so much

1222
01:06:58,900 --> 01:07:02,500
greater than The Hurt Locker.
And I think The Hurt Locker

1223
01:07:02,500 --> 01:07:05,300
might be slightly more effective
at what it's trying to do.

1224
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,500
But I also think that movies in
this genre that we're

1225
01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:12,100
identifying kind of have a
ceiling for how entertaining

1226
01:07:12,100 --> 01:07:13,700
they can be, if that makes
sense.

1227
01:07:14,100 --> 01:07:16,600
Yeah, like a movie, like
Spotlight is a really well-made

1228
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,500
movie but I'm not.
Always like riveted by what's

1229
01:07:20,500 --> 01:07:23,300
happening.
It's more just like I appreciate

1230
01:07:23,300 --> 01:07:24,700
the work.
These people went through to

1231
01:07:24,700 --> 01:07:27,500
chase down their story and I
kind of feel like that would

1232
01:07:27,500 --> 01:07:30,000
Zero Dark Thirty.
I appreciate watching these

1233
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,600
people track a guy halfway
across the world for two and a

1234
01:07:33,607 --> 01:07:37,300
half hours so I'm going to give
it an eight and a half, I'll

1235
01:07:37,300 --> 01:07:40,400
give it an eight.
I think that this is like a

1236
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:46,600
pretty entertaining if I will
say, Bob the first 30 minutes of

1237
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,600
the film they have like three
Sure scenes that each last like,

1238
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,200
eight minutes long.
Yep, it's rough.

1239
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,800
Dude.
Like that was definitely a bit

1240
01:07:55,800 --> 01:08:00,800
of a struggle for me but once we
got past that I think the movie

1241
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:04,100
definitely moved along at a
pretty good clip.

1242
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,100
Yeah I think it's an 8 out of 10
movie.

1243
01:08:07,900 --> 01:08:09,400
Alright.
So we are coming out to an eight

1244
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,900
point two five out of ten but
we'd like to know what you think

1245
01:08:12,900 --> 01:08:16,000
is Zero Dark Thirty the better
movie or is The Hurt Locker.

1246
01:08:16,300 --> 01:08:18,500
You can let us know on Facebook,
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1247
01:08:18,899 --> 01:08:23,000
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1248
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,600
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1249
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,500
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the film and whiskey podcast.

1250
01:08:28,500 --> 01:08:31,100
So if you want to join the
conversation, you can find a

1251
01:08:31,108 --> 01:08:33,200
link to our Discord.
At the end of every single one

1252
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:37,100
of our show notes.
Next week, we are rounding out

1253
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,899
our discussion of Kathryn
Bigelow with just the most

1254
01:08:40,899 --> 01:08:44,100
Surfer a movie of all time.
Patrick Swayze Keanu.

1255
01:08:44,100 --> 01:08:47,500
Reeves in Point Break, I'm
excited for that one, Brad

1256
01:08:47,500 --> 01:08:50,600
because spoiler Alert.
I have never seen it.

1257
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,800
Oh, oh, man, that's exciting.
Yeah, man.

1258
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,200
I'm pretty pumped for it.
So we'll be back next week with

1259
01:08:56,200 --> 01:09:00,399
Point Break but until then, I'm
Bob book, I'm Reggie and we'll

1260
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:01,300
see you next time.