Whiskey Spotlight: Old Line Spirits

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1:23 We just. Yeah, but we're not recording the podcast. We just cut each other off, completely. It seems like, well, honestly, I feel like you text me pretty often and so sometimes I'll go like Two or three days without hearing from you. And I'm like, is the podcast over like did pop died. I don't know what's going on. Well, I'm not on death's door but I have been under the weather, the past few days. As you can probably tell from the half octave lower, that my voice currently is dude. Being sick is the best for podcasting, for podcasting, for sure, for, you know, General Health and well-being, not so much. Yeah, not at all. But I'll tell you what's really helping me right now, in my time of need, is some Cask strength whiskey, because Cuz we have a bottle sitting next to us here from Old Line spirits and Brad, we have been working to get them on the show for about a year now I am so so excited to have them on for, for Veterans Day, you know, Veterans Day is tomorrow Friday. This is a veteran owned company.

2:20 We're going to be talking with the owner Mark McLaughlin here in just a moment. But I got to say, even before we bring Mark into things, we get this bottle of whiskey in the mail. It is an American single malt from Maryland that is Cask strength. Now, I'm not Used to getting single malt for Maryland and I'm certainly not used to it being Cask strength and I'm certainly not used to it having quite this much color to it. So I pour it out and I'm like, all right, let's see what we got here. And it's freaking phenomenal, Brad. Like this is an absolutely killer whiskey. I got it in the mail, a few weeks back and had a buddy over. And I was like, well, hey, let's just crack the bottom and see what it's like.

3:00 And we were exact same experience for thrown off a little bit by the the The where it's from the fact that it's an American single malt castrated like, what's going on here. And then we drank it. And Bob this, if we were reviewing this as a regular part of our season, it might hit like the 43-44 mark. Yeah, but it says it's this is like Top Notch whiskey. It's very bourbon me in a lot of ways I could has that rich dark okey character to it that you don't get on Scotch very often. And it almost reminds me like there's certain Bourbons that call themselves like a cigar blend. It has that sort of last dark Smokey cigar thing going on to it.

3:41 I'm vamping at this point because Mark is sitting over here, waiting for us to call on him as we just, you know, extol the virtues of this whiskey Mark McLaughlin welcomed into the film and whiskey podcast. Thank you so much for being here and thank you for this whiskey, General. Thank you so much and I'm glad you I received it. I'm glad you're enjoying it. So Mark, tell us a little bit about the company itself because I've been reading through the history on your website and it seems like you guys have spanned and and trekked across the whole continent. As you set this thing up, I'm seeing things about Washington, I'm seeing things about Ohio, I'm seeing things about Maryland, so give us the, you know, the minute long version of the history of this company, by all means.

4:24 Yes, it's an unusual start. So, you know, Arch, my business partner art Watkins, Arch, and I you were friends from the Navy. Fly together. We were both the weapon systems operators, Navigators on, Naval Naval, Aviation Jets, you know, carrier-based, that's how we met and became buddies. And then, you know, left a navy suit, civilian careers. Neither one of us was really that enthused with what we were doing on the civilian side. So we decided, hey, why not make whiskey? And we thought, you know, will make whiskey will make bourbon when they cry will start something from scratch. We'll jump into this away. So many others have in the past 10 years, And we stumbled across an opportunity to actually apprentice and learn how to make whiskey from true gentleman on the west coast near.

5:08 Seattle named, Bob still division Jim Caudill, and they had a very, very, very small, Distillery called Golden Distillery. And they were making this just killer American single malt whiskey and they were looking to pass the torch because Jim unfortunately was terminally ill and you know what had started off as a, you know, two guys in their retirement years making whiskey, you know, make a little money but really for fun. Became this Shore. So they were looking to pass it on to they wanted to go away, right? They wanted this thing to continue, you know, where vets their vets, we like them. They liked us, ultimately, we moved out their lives in the guest house. So, you know, learn how to make the whiskey bought the thing, and then, relocated it back to Baltimore. And, you know, in the interim, we were getting set up in Baltimore.

5:52 We started producing whiskey with middle. West Spirits in Columbus, Ohio. That's because they're awesome. Yeah. Those guys allowed us to be extremely in They still do allow us to be extremely Hands-On. It's are bringing our yeast. Our process spokes almost like, Gypsy to stealing in the sense that they let us go out there and be very, very involved and they and enormously beneficial to us, and we still work with him to this day. So it's been that's the shortest answer. I can give you. It's been a long journey. But, you know, in his kind of a long strange trip if you will, but we couldn't be happier with where it brought us. Well, I got to say, first of all, the fact that this bottle says, distilled in Ohio, on it just makes my heart warm. In addition to that, you know, I want to go in a little bit on what you guys are up to now because it's not just this Cask strength, single malt. You guys are producing, you're making rums as well. And you have some variations within this world of single malt.

6:44 So, what are some of your other offerings besides just this bottle that we have today? Yeah, so that would you have the cash Grant is one of our two Flagship offerings. That's kind of sister offering is the, the 86 proof expression of that same product. So those were kind of the, the two flags the ship's if you will and to your point, we do other things. We do, we do import rum from the Dominican Republic. It's our own blend of barrel aged rum. It's wonderful. We do that in a pretty limited amount, so it's an important part of our business, but it's a very, very small limited part. Really what we focus on is the single malt world. And in addition to what you have there, we've actually just started to release a little bit of peated.

7:26 Malt. So, just like the whiskey you're drinking right now which is, you know, I've heard you mention. That Oak for character is really drawing in. We love that again. We love that american-style overboard aging, and we do that with our period as well, which does differentiate it very much from a typical Iowa Scotch. For example, we do number of barrel. Finishes the most notable ones are tivity boldero. So Sherry Madeira and Tawny port and we do other ones too but those are the ones that are really kind of started to take off and yeah, really just you know and then we experiment with we've done that and malts, you know? We've dug with bottles and bonds offering that we did here in Baltimore. So yeah lots of cool stuff that's coming out. One thing we're not doing and is bourbon and rye and we absolutely love Bourbon and Rye just absolutely no Bible Bible. My cabinets always full of a wide range of Bourbons riding scotches but we're not doing that because this is the path we've Chosen and we're just you know we want to be mauled guys. That's you know as far as what we make sense just we're focused largely on that well and what is it that about? Walt specifically that Drew you win, you know? Obviously, it's a little bit of a smaller Market here in the u.s., especially for American single, malts. So so, what was it that made you guys, you know, we want to do, we're going to make American single malts. So it's funny.

8:47 I, you know, the first thing that Drew a sin was just the opportunity because, you know, when I quit my I was an investment banker for about two years in between the Navy. And this, and the way we met Bob and Jim, the guys that we ended up, you know, apprenticing under and buying there. Business was at a distilling conference. That was in Seattle. I was that you know, trying to start a Distillery, I flew out there for the conference on that. Bob one of the owners that business and he had come down from about 90 minutes north where he lived and he had come down to because, you know, he knew he had decided to sell the business and he knew that he'd find. A lot of people like me who were newcomers, who may be interested in the opportunity. So when I met Bob and he said he was making American single malt. I had never heard of American single my life.

9:29 This is 2014. It was Pleating new to me. So at first, to be honest, I was a little bit, taken aback, or column, and I kind of had my heart set on Bourbon and rye and then you know, Bob said, hey why don't you fly out a couple weeks from now, come visit the place, you know. Just so you think and I came out and prior to that he had shipped me some whiskey illegally, but whatever. And like you did, you pop that bottle, open. It's like holy smokes. Like there's something here and where I've kind of what I love about it. For me at least is I love that especially the profile that we're doing an old mine. Fine. You were doing very much embracing that you're the new world aging. The number for Char virgin Oak. It's definitely involves, right? It's not bourbon but it's definitively American malls. And other other American distilleries were approaching a little bit more from an old world perspective. And there's young people doing amazing a great examples like Virginia Distilling Company, they're making great Whiskey's but they're just doing it in a very different approach than we are, which is beautiful.

10:22 So, my point I guess, is that what I love about what we do at old line, is that I think it delivers all the things that a bourbon Drinker wants in a Very, very, very different vehicle so it's, you know, it's just like, hey, all, you know, the spicy notes, you know, the baking spices, the caramel that vanilla is wonderful, nutty character, things like that, those things were there, they're just delivered. Almost like, you know, when you look at the DJ booth, you know, different levers or high or low to the mixing table whatever you call it, you know, it's like it's like the same things just delivered in a very, very different way and that's, that's really fun to me. I think it's a great way to put it and I'm glad that you're not offended by me saying that. It was a very bourbon e malt earlier and and I guess for the nerds in the audience, can you go in a little bit more on like the aging process? And it sounds like you guys are using new, charred Oak barrels, not used ones like they would in Scotland and with that number for Char, is that all correct?

11:18 That is all correct. Yes, exactly. So, so you know up until the whiskey goes into the barrel, the process you could say is not unlike like a Highland single malt. So we use, you know, ball non-p, did Vault with the exception of. We had that one peated offering it's very limited but, you know, 99% what we do is all non beaded mall, but generally speaking, we're doing, you know, the distillate coming off. The still would resemble in many ways, you know, some Highlander single-malt scotches but then, that aging process to your point. We're doing everything in mostly number, for charge some number three, Charter virgin Oak, and you hit the nail on the head. As far as calling it kind of bourbon e, single malt, you'll our Target. More frankly, as far as early adopter is more bourbon Drinker than a scotch Drinker.

12:05 And that's not to say that Scotch drinkers don't love it. It's just that, I think that what we deliver draws in a lot of bourbon drinkers, who didn't think that they like multiple ski. And what we found is that they probably just haven't been exposed to the right walls because as you guys know, you guys have scotch guys like, you know, there's a whole wide range of single-malt scotches. And you know, to say, you know, I don't like Scotch based on one or two experiences is really Limited. Because there's, you know, the difference between your really Smoky peaty Earth the Ila and, you know, really fruity, you know, kind of lighter Glen mon. Look at you couldn't be farther apart, right? And this is a world in between. So at any rate, the reference to being a bourbon drinkers.

12:47 Malt is something that we embrace Yeah. I mean that's something we constantly talk about is that in the same way that there's a vast amount of difference between a any amount of the bourbon products that we drink, people need to get into Scotch, man, the like, there is so many beautiful whiskies from around the world that people aren't trying. I mean, heck Bob, and I had the pain Darren at the start of last season. I believe, which is a Welsh. Yeah, malt. That is incredible. That like they're putting out such good. Off its agreed upon Darren's a great example and another example you guys know milk and honey out of Israel I've heard of it but we haven't tried it on the show before check them out and I'll be will connect offline and on to you say to somebody who may be able to guide you along awesome, they're doing things that are you know three years old. That to me you know, tastes like they've been aging a lot longer than that.

13:44 There's really well made. Well maybe malts and they're exciting and different. I mean it is One my cup of tea, no, but that's cool. There's boring different way. But man, when they hit they hit and I think that your point get this damn there's just a lot of great world Whiskey's and then within Scotland I think Scotland does get overlooked sometimes by a lot of American consumers. Because again they have one or two experiences with something that wasn't really what they wasn't really for them. And but I think that's just kind of very limiting you because there is such a wide range of what's available there. Well, I feel like to your point though, there's something about malt as a grade and obviously I'm not a distiller so I I'm asking you though, like we've heard it time and time again from people who distill malt whiskies that? It seems like there's more of a playground there that you can go more directions with it that, or I guess that there's a variety of ways that it can come out in the end with her or not, you intend that.

14:35 But like, you know, with corn you have to with with Bourbons, you have to add like a rye spice or wheat like something to round it out to make it not just tastes like sweet corn and with Rye, you know like you've got your 95/5 Rise or a hundred percent rise and then basically just like, you're 51 percent rise. But there's something about malt that it seems like you can go a ton of different directions with it and really play with the flavor profile. Just depending on, you know, what kind of process you use for mulching it and things like that 100%. Yeah, yeah. I couldn't say it better myself. So that to that mean, for those of you listening who maybe aren't as familiar with what Malta barley really means. But to Bob's point, the, you know, malted barley, it's his grain barley that you know, gets harvested before.

15:19 Germinates. And I'll try to keep this as brief as I can. But if you imagine if that grain was left to just fall off, the plant in the fields, and it's got a really thick protein husk, and really dry and starchy interior, low moisture, content and starchy but not sugary. And what that's designed to do is survive the winter and then when the rain comes in the warms up in the spring natural process during germination occurs with these, you know, enzymes get released that are natural to the Grain and break down the starches into sugar and that sugar is what The plant uses to Sprouts at the energy to sprout before could start using photosynthesis to really start creating its own food. So all that is to say that when you multiply rain as you guys know, but just the listeners who may not, you know, you're tricking that process. The put the malt I was the place that does this. They'll soak the grain.

16:07 They'll trick it into thinking it's time to sprout and then they'll dry it out and the way that's done creates a dramatically different flavor within that grain. So to, so what one good example is, we use two types of malted barley, which can be confusing, You to some people because well, thanks single malt. Wait, shouldn't only be one type, you know, the single and single malt refers to be produced at one Distillery. And it's got to be all malted barley, but there's different types of multiple early that we can use. So we use two types and one of them is called a commitment to rope, a more premium pale malt. And if you were to take that grain before we know it up and mash it, it'll taste like grape nut cereal. So think Hmm. Mildly sweet but a little more like starchy Being grainy, you know, take a little taste, like, yeah, grain. The other one we use, when they dry it out in the malting house, they tried it a high temperature and it starts to caramelize the some of those sugars that have started their form, and it gets darker, and that mu call a see 120, which is C stands for Crystal.

17:08 We can call him, deep, kill, multi, gross malt. And if you were to take a bite of that crane, it tastes like raisin bran flakes. It's the exact same grain before they start. But the way it was processed in that maltose, gives us two Dramatically different flavors so that you know exactly your point earlier corn, tastes like corn. But yeah, this variations of different types and I'm not trying to downplay it but it is what it is, but it's up. It's a pretty narrow flavor band. Whereas malts, you can get a, you can start off already, which is such a wildly different, you know, flavor profile, even before you distill it. Well, Mark, I have to say you are the first person. I'm 98%. Sure. The first person in the history of the film whiskey podcast to use the word photosynthesis. So I know I got a whole dictionary here, gonna go through, okay?

17:56 I think you might be then the smartest person ever to appear on the pot. My GPA in college would suggest otherwise, but I'll take the compliment. Well man, I thank you for the lesson on on the, on the grains. Because I think that there's so much there. To learn. There's so much to grow and understand of, like, what goes into the glass that you're drinking and it honestly kind of made me think about. I was thinking about how you being a Navy pilot. Obviously a lot went into the making of top gun Maverick. They literally blasted. It's everywhere. Like, you couldn't go online in the month or two leading up to that movie without seeing, like, watch the documentary of the real Navy pilots who made The Maverick this is on Brad's way.

18:43 I was gonna say this is Brad's way of asking you. What do you think of top gun Maverick? Yeah, so yeah, I hate to say it gentlemen. I have not seen it yet. It's crazy. I need to, and then, you know, the first I was like, hey, you know, I'll wait to the gears are too crowded. I don't know how I'm gonna no rush, and then it just kind of like life over took it. And then, I told my wife, I'm like, I will go see it together. And like, that was stupid because we never do things together. Now, I'm in this kind of, you know, I guess I'm waiting for it to be available and just rent it on at home, but I'm excited to see it and it will be fun to see. I've seen the first one. Obviously, the first one from the 80s was one of the first things that got me interested in Naval Aviation like so many other people do.

19:29 Yeah. I mean like it's a documented thing and I know that like the Navy was involved in the making of that movie like the military is always involved in the making of movies like that but recruitment spikes like crazy after. If that movie came out because everyone everybody wanted to go to Top Gun, everybody wanted to be the next Maverick. So I mean like you coming on the tail end of that and that inspiring you to go into the Navy in some ways like when you look back on the first Top Gun, like, how does it hold up to you from an actual like piloting standpoint? Well, you know, it's a couple of ways to answer that. I'd say that, you know, I'll start want first like, culturally, what did they did? What every kind of movie does, right?

20:09 You know, they'll take something like you watch. Cop movie. Like okay, yeah, there's some cop behaviors and things, but it's probably pretty exaggerated. I like, you know, and same thing with this like, you know, the yeah, we're competitive Bunch, you know, and there's a lot of that is real but really, there's actually way more collaboration than competition and Innovation. So yeah, you're competing, you know, y'all every wants to be, you know, the best of what they do. But no one's out there trying to like knock the other guy down. You know what I mean? It's like they kind of amp that up a bit but that's a movie, I get it, the flying Yeah I'd say that you know it's just what I watched as a kid I just was enthralled and then you know after going through, neonatal flight school and flying for a while like you start with you watch it again. You're like wow like what what's actually happening in that scene couldn't be farther from what they're saying is happening. Like you know there's no way this guy could be trying to shoot him with guns, use about 4 feet away either party. Yes, but it's a it's fun, you know, it's I still watch it and enjoy it.

21:07 And, you know, my favorite part of that movie hands down, is the first, you know. Try the first like, two, three minutes in the flight sack. Oh, yeah. I would you could put that on Loop and I wouldn't get sick of it. I don't think it's a spoiler to say that they recreate that as the opening to the new Top Gun 2. So you're going to get like, you know, the 4K version of that when you watch the new one, I can't wait to beat the flight that, you know, flying and the carrier and you know the nighttime stuff wasn't wasn't always the most pleasant but the daytime you could die. Do that for for free. I loved it. Is there a movie when you think about, like all of the fighter pilot movies out there? Is there one that sticks out to you as being the most egregiously wrong of all of them? Boy, you know, I this one I've only seen once or twice maybe like in this is probably been three decades since I seen it but the one that was admiring Eagle was pretty hard to watch. I don't know if I know that one.

22:03 Who's your you're better off? You know, I take a one, the one that I think I'm going to Amman answer a different question. Hope you don't mind. Is that the one that I think was, the biggest missed opportunity was the Flight of the Intruder because it the story. It's if you guys aren't familiar, it's was a Danny Glover was in it and there's nothing, you know, late 80s. Early 90s was Vietnam, actually A6 Intruders, which is a vent you my plan that I flew was a variant of that, okay? And big, ugly round nose Jet and it's just it was a great story. The book was really good and then they just kind of tried to do it. They made it a little too cheesy and it just became like Such a wonderful story that they just completely torqued up in my opinion.

22:44 But yeah, I don't know. It's a and I love the old ones. I love the old, you know, Battle of Midway. And those things, you know, I can't get enough of those Old World War two babies. I remember there was a movie that that Clint Eastwood did in the early 80s called Firefox. You ever see that movie? That's when he goes to Russia and like, yes, steals. These still subjected like, read your thoughts. I don't remember a damn thing about that movie except for the fact that like I have never seen faker, Green screen like in my whole life you know at that point Eastwood's like 58 years old. So like just getting him in the cockpit like he looks really uncomfortable and then everything behind him is just so fake, but I guess what I'm really trying to get at here is I need you to give me like a one to ten on the plausibility scale of the scene in Independence Day, where Will Smith is chasing the alien through like the Grand Canyon in his fighter jet.

23:41 You know, it's been a while since I've seen that. I will say that, just by the way, you can have describes it. I'm guessing plausibility is kind of low from up my memory, come on. But I will say that there's a flying. I will say this that we a lot of us, you know, have and skin for. They still do another still do train for low-level flying. So you know, will fly through things like Canyons like Washington state has some great routes that you're flying basically below the canyon walls. So there that is. I think I'm guessing they'd probably Bleah, exaggerated how tight the plank and turn without pulling the Wings off. But I, but, you know, flying down low and canyons and things like that. And it's certainly, it's more of a tactic for like, like low-altitude Ingress into a target, try to below radar kind of thing, but yeah, flying flying low and maneuvering low is very common and watch you.

24:32 Do it often with more than one airplane so you'll do two or four airplanes together that are can maneuvering down low. It's pretty it's pretty fun, especially when the fate of mankind. Kind is at stake like, you know, well, how I go about my entire day. I assume. That's kind of this, kind of the way it is. You know, he's got always be prepared. All right, before we let you out of here, I need your opinion on one more movie and I'm going to use you to settle a debate here. Oh boy. So we're in the middle of a miniseries of Rob Reiner movies. And, you know, we kind of try to line things up a little bit with national holidays. So it just kind of worked out that on Halloween, we had misery his movie Misery with James Caan. And Kathy Bates. And so I was like oh that's kind of spooky would do that for Halloween and then we had The Princess Bride and A Few Good Men and I said well let's wind up A Few Good Men with the week of Veterans Day because it's a story about the Navy.

25:22 And Brad, gave me so much on the episode about A Few Good Men because he's like, this is clearly a movie where the writer Aaron Sorkin is just trying to like on the authority of the, you know, the US Military. And I said, I have a completely different take on This. I feel like this is an inspiring story of Tom, Cruise learning what it means to become an officer in the United States military and like, embracing the Integrity that an officer should truly have. And so, we went out a little bit about like, is this a polemic against the military or is this, you know, Standing Up For What the military should really be and darn it.

26:05 If a Few Good Men, isn't a movie that I can watch 100 times in a row and I'm so good. I don't mean to put you The spot here because I don't know how long it's been since you've seen it. But when you think back on that movie, like what's your read on that film? You know, that's, and I've never thought of it in those terms but my read would be. I think I would probably agree. Sorry, Brad. I think I probably agree more with you Bob and then I think that ultimately, it was, you know, highlighting probably more of the good and the bad and the military there obviously, is that element of how its kind of systemic, you know, problem in the movie where, you know, people were It was abused and murdered and it was covered up and blah blah blah. But I think that Yeah, I think overall I think that they were trying to show the positives of a two-point him learning as its kind of young attorney Harvard what he's a Harvard grad ride wasn't taking his time in the Navy. Very seriously and skating his way through because his dad had done the same thing.

27:03 And you know, the kind of learning point of yes, you know, this is a very serious business and 10 people, you know, and a lot at stake and I think that his realization of kind of the Kind of gravity of what goes with this position. Was I think a good part of the movie. So I don't think I answered that really, but I'd say that. I think it more. I lean more towards your view, Bob, but, but I think it also does point out, you know, hey, nothing's, perfect in the military is not perfect. And there are certain cultural things that, you know, aren't healthy, just like any organization and those exist in the military just like anywhere else. And that's part of the movie too. Well, I mean, you're entitled to your opinion, Mark, but I don't know if you're really a reliable source on the military.

27:45 So, We're just going to throw that opinion out. This is going to become, you're going to yeah, it's a real character assassination. Oh man, Mark, we're so thankful that you've joined us today. I am curious, I was reading about some of the philanthropic things that you guys do as a veteran owned company. Can you can you quickly hit on some of those things and highlight anything that's coming up for you guys that you want to, you want to promote? Well, I appreciate that. Thank you. So, a couple of things you get to your point, we do. As a company, we try to support a lot of philanthropic causes in the ones that are nearest and dearest to us tend to resonate with our Target, tend to revolve around military service members and things like that. The biggest one we do is we work with the organization called, Fisher house foundation, which think of it like Ronald McDonald House for veterans.

28:37 So when, you know, ill or wounded service members are being treated at, you know, VA hospitals or base hospitals, the Fisher house, the family can stay there for free. For the duration of the treatment. So right now we're doing in the markets that we're in which is about Maryland, d.c. Delaware, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts and Colorado accounts that take in a six case stackable line, we had this whole case leave, we give them and we promote that $5, maybe bottle will be donated by old blind to to push your house. So we loved it's a second year doing it, we love it. There's such a great organization. We also work with the tailhook Education Foundation, which helps provide to college scholarships to kids. Ed's of following Naval Aviation and Marine Corps Aviation. But whether they were pilots Navigators or maintenance Personnel.

29:26 So those are the two that we work with the closest. And, yeah, we feel really good about that. So thank you for bringing that up and then, as far as what's coming out, for those of you who were in those markets, I just mentioned, keep an eye out for our old. Oh Sherry finish, that just won best American single malt. Whiskey from Fred Minix, a spotter. Wow, a couple months ago. And that'll be on the shelves in those markets in November and only limited amount. But if you go to our website, you know, old lunch be ritsz.com, it was store locator and we do our best to indicate where different products are so people can hopefully find the bottle of head. Like, well, Mark, this has been just a fantastic conversation. It's always, it makes our job so much easier when the person that we're interviewing is as charismatic as you are. And I don't have enough positive things to say about the company, about the whiskey.

30:14 So just for me and Brad. Thank you so much. For being on the show today. Well, thank you gentlemen, so much. This is a blast, you know, and since I haven't decided by few seconds left, I'm gonna I'm gonna put you guys on the spot here and I forget which, which gentleman thinks that Jaws was said, that Jurassic Park was a better movie than jaws. And I just got to say when I heard that on on your Highland Park 12 podcast, I said I might come on, man. All right, so you got, you got one dig in against Brad and one against me so I guess, Nothing there that. All right everybody this has been Mark McLaughlin from Old Line. Spirits will be back on Monday with another regularly scheduled episode. But until then I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G and we'll see you next time.